Entire Dream Theater catalog a possibility!

[jayou521]

From Mike Portnoys' website forums:


Xaanix,

My company does the official transcription books for DT - we've already been in contact with DT's management about doing DT's music for the RBN. Chris Romero, who transcribes keys for Jordan, happens to be an amazing Rock Band player - he was top 25 in the world at one point on the 360 leaderboards. He was on this the day they announced it - they're looking at the feasibility of it as far as legal issues etc. We really want to do it and Chris is the perfect person to make the charts for them... Fingers are crossed that it'll happen.

Ryan


Provided it all works out, the plan is to chart the entire catalog...

http://www.mikeportnoy.com/forum/m2405474.aspx

From the Dream Theater forums:


Well, since Shadow (thats me lol) has pestered me from my sick bed, I've done the transcription for yous.

I told JR that I didn't know much about it but people were saying somebody needed to ask the band about it so I was going to...

KP (thats the DT fanclub runner): Rock Band Network – what do you know about it?

JR (Jordan Rudess): Video games? Yeah, it’s when you prepare the song for people to play and a lot of bands are doing it themselves…

KP: Yeah, I think it has to come from the band…

JR: Well, we’re very aware of that. Actually, the guy, Chris Romero, who’s our main keyboard transcriber has spoken to me about that and I’ve spoken to our management and everyone’s really aware of it. We’re just waiting for things to work out on a business level I think with that ‘coz’ we’d all love to see it happen…

KP: Rumour was from Ryan Marziarz (Tabs)…

JR: Yeah, the other transcriber…

KP: that there’s talk that you might do the entire catalogue. Do you know if that’s true?

JR: Well, yeah, hmm, nothing’s happened yet. It would be cool and if they get the go-ahead they’ll be happy – it’s a lot of work! [laughter]

KP: So… it’s something that everybody’s looking at and if it can happen it will happen?

JR: Yeah, for sure! Absolutely. I think it would be a really cool thing.

KP: Great! Thank you!

Hope this meets your expectations!

http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=5178.70

Obviously they can't put out any songs over 10 minutes, but nonetheless it would be awesome if we can more Dream Theater via the RBN!!! :D

REALLY hoping this works out.

[weeyoo]

Wow the whole catalog? That's awesome to hear! I'm looking forward to it if it all follows through!

[Nickalos N]

We can only hope they find a way

[DanB91]

i really hope they can get octavarium through regular DLC. i would buy that in a second

regarding this news: ****ing amazing.

Here's to hoping more artists do this

[Der_Lex]

As much as I dislike the last couple of albums, this would be epic if it happens.

[HeyRiles]

RBN makes me giddy

[bootz0rs]

They could be a driving force in getting highly well known bands into RBN.

[NoahTheDuke]

As much as I dislike the last couple of albums, this would be epic if it happens.

Whaaaaat. Hoooooooow? Noooooooooooo.

Noah

[Watchmen89]

Holy crap! Yes please!!!!

[shadowracer]

All I can is wow an entire catalog im not even a fan of dreamtheater and I think that would be amazing.

[Xenigma]

The entire catalog? Even with the 10 minute restriction, that's a lot of really great music that could potentially be put on RBN. Heck, they could probably get their longer songs onto regular DLC without much trouble if they felt so inclined.

Really hope this works out, would love to see more Dream Theater on Rock Band!

[instantdeath999]

I really hope they would make exceptions for the "10 minute rule"

[LegendofRock3021]

I really hope they would make exceptions for the "10 minute rule"

That's what I'm hoping as well, we'll see what happens with that.

[fragbert66]

Good lord, can you imagine the entire Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence?

[davidshek]

Not to be a complete buzzkill, but wasn't it RoadRunner Records who recently said something like "Screw RBN, the money's not good enough"?

(Of course, I'm paraphrasing)

[Magnet]

I really hope they would make exceptions for the "10 minute rule"

I think anything longer than 10 minutes is going to have to go through the regular Music Store. Once you start making exceptions to rules like this, it tends to lead to confusion and disappointment for many others later on. I suppose it might be possible to modify the rules at some point in the future, but I don't see exceptions being made for anyone.

[instantdeath999]

Not to be a complete buzzkill, but wasn't it RoadRunner Records who recently said something like "Screw RBN, the money's not good enough"?

(Of course, I'm paraphrasing)

No, I believe that was Relapse, but of course I could be wrong.


I think anything longer than 10 minutes is going to have to go through the regular Music Store. Once you start making exceptions to rules like this, it tends to lead to confusion and disappointment for many others later on. I suppose it might be possible to modify the rules at some point in the future, but I don't see exceptions being made for anyone.

I suppose so. I don't even think that rule should be in place... so I assume they have a very good reason for it, as it is a pretty imposing limit.

[Setsu102]

If this ends up pulling through then Rock Band is THE ONLY music game worth purchasing in my opinion. Amazing.

[Sento Kaiba]

I'm so happy to hear this possibility!

RBN + DT = WIN

Even if the 10 min rule stands, there would still be quite a few great songs that could become available.

[WingsOfSteel]

I would at least get Under A Glass Moon.

[BuRn7 CaK3]

Why can't we have songs over 10 minutes in length?

The Camera Eye is almost 11:00 in length (One second short).

[WingsOfSteel]

Why can't we have songs over 10 minutes in length?

The Camera Eye is almost 11:00 in length (One second short).

We can have 10+ minute songs in Rock Band, but not through the RBN.

[vitamins999]

Is it a case of the RBN software actually doesn't allow songs to be longer than 10 minutes, or that 10+ minute songs won't pass HMX's peer review?

If it's the peer review, then there's always the chance for an exception considering how much of a well known band DT is, the exposure it would give the RBN concerning bigger bands, and the fact that a large proportion of their discography is over 10 minutes.

Still, incredible news. DT are my favourite band, so this is really a dream come true. I think I could die happy after playing the solo in Under A Glass Moon, or the Metropolis Part I instrumental section.

[FromtonRouge]

I can't see in the spec where is the 10 minutes limitation note, do I have to buy new glasses ?

[yaniv297]

Not going to buy anything by them, but it's great that a big band is doing something like that. Hoping more bands will follow them!

[Swivle]

O.O

I am going to be ****ing poor if this happens.

[lucianolgr]

OMG!!! I'd buy it all at once. GREAT brazilian DT fan over here guys!
;)

[davidshek]

Is it a case of the RBN software actually doesn't allow songs to be longer than 10 minutes, or that 10+ minute songs won't pass HMX's peer review?

It's not the peer review. It was specifically stated when RBN was announced that songs will have a 30-second minimum, and 10-minute maximum.

[Setsu102]

It's not the peer review. It was specifically stated when RBN was announced that songs will have a 30-second minimum, and 10-minute maximum.

Finding out whether that's a software limitation or perhaps a server-side hardware limitation is what's key to seeing if the rule can be bent for larger artists. I hope this goes through, because otherwise we probably wouldn't see any more DT from HMX's main store for a long while.

[Redon26]

So there's no hope for Octavarium on RBN? :( (The song is 24 minutes)

[NoahTheDuke]

Yeah, no Octavarium. Not unless they split it into multiple tracks. Actually, I just went through the DT discography, and made notes about each of the songs that probably won't make it. I guess I could post it here too! (I originally made it for Scorehero.)

When Dream And Day Unite:
1. A Fortune in Lies 5:12
2. Status Seeker 4:15
3. The Ytse Jam 5:43
4. The Killing Hand 8:40
5. Light Fuse and Get Away 7:23
6. Afterlife 5:27
7. The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun 8:04
8. Only a Matter of Time 6:35

Cool. The whole album! I can't wait for Ytse Jame and The Killing Hand. Totally awesome songs.

Images And Words:
1. Pull Me Under 8:11
2. Another Day 4:24
3. Take the Time 8:21
4. Surrounded 5:30
5. Metropolis, Pt. I: The Miracle and the Sleeper 9:32
6. Under a Glass Moon 7:04
7. Wait for Sleep 2:32
8. Learning to Live 11:31

All but Learning To Live. LtL makes me super sad, but holy **** Under A Glass Moon? That solo is fantastic. Also, another GH song. Cha-ching! Will they chart Wait For Sleep only for Vocals? Who knows? I love the song, though.

Awake:
1. 6:00 5:31
2. Caught in a Web 5:28
3. Innocence Faded 5:43
4. A Mind Beside Itself: I. Erotomania 6:45
5. A Mind Beside Itself: II. Voices 9:53
6. A Mind Beside Itself: III. The Silent Man 3:48
7. The Mirror 6:45
8. Lie 6:34
9. Lifting Shadows Off a Dream 6:05
10. Scarred 11:00
11. Space-Dye Vest 7:29

Scarred is beautiful, and I weep for its' exclusion. It fades out, but not soon enough. The songs we do get more than make up for it, though: The Mirror, Erotomania, 6:00!

A Change Of Seasons:
Way too long. Even if they try to split it up, it'd have to be in at least 3 parts. Ouch.

Falling Into Infinity:
1. New Millennium 8:20
2. You Not Me 4:58
3. Peruvian Skies 6:43
4. Hollow Years 5:53
5. Burning My Soul 5:29
6. Hell's Kitchen 4:16
7. Lines in the Sand 12:05
8. Take Away My Pain 6:03
9. Just Let Me Breathe 5:28
10. Anna Lee 5:51
11. Trial of Tears 13:07

Trial Of Tears could easily be split into its' three parts, the cuts being at 6:11 and 9:59. Not the smoothest, but it's Dream Theater. They'll figure it out. Lines In The Sand, in the same vein, could be two parts. Or not. It might be too much of a hassle. Oh well. Just Let Me Breathe is sweet.

Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes from a Memory:
1. Scene One: Regression 2:06
2. Scene Two, Part. I: Overture 1928 3:37
3. Scene Two, Part. II: Strange Déjà Vu 5:12
4. Scene Three, Part. I: Through My Words 1:02
5. Scene Three, Part.II: Fatal Tragedy 6:49
6. Scene Four: Beyond This Life 11:22
7. Scene Five: Through Her Eyes 5:29
8. Scene Six: Home 12:53
9. Scene Seven, Part. I: The Dance of Eternity 6:13
10. Scene Seven, Part. II: One Last Time 3:46
11. Scene Eight: The Spirit Carries On 6:38
12. Scene Nine: Finally Free 11:59

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu-. My favorite album. To lose any of these songs is super disappointing, especially Home and Beyond This Life. Finally Free might make the cut if they trim off the fade-out radio drama stuff. The studio version ends the music abruptly at 9:49, so we can only hope, right? Also, The Dance Of Eternity. Period.

Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence:
1. The Glass Prison 13:52
2. Blind Faith 10:21
3. Misunderstood 9:34
4. The Great Debate 13:43
5. Disappear 6:46
6. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 42:04
* I. "Overture 6:50
* II. "About to Crash 5:51
* III. "War Inside My Head 2:08
* IV. "The Test That Stumped Them All 5:03
* V. "Goodnight Kiss 6:17
* VI. "Solitary Shell 5:48
* VII. "About to Crash (Reprise) 4:05
* VIII. "Losing Time"/"Grand Finale 6:01

Lol. I mean, all I can do is laugh, because of how long each of these songs is. SDoIT could work with each part separate. The Glass Prison is, sadly, way too long, so there go my dreams of playing the whole AA suite. (:-P) The mixers/trackers could easily trim the really unnessecary (for RB) synth outro of Blind Faith to make it less than ten. No way to trim Great Debate however. Damn.

(ASIDE: A cool factoid I just learned on Wikipedia: "In the song "Misunderstood," John Petrucci wrote and played the guitar solo, and then reversed it. He then learned how to play this reversed sound, and after recording it reversed it once more. This resulted in a solo that sounded like his original solo but with a unique twist to the way the notes played.[4] This technique was originally developed by George Harrison, on the Beatles song "I'm Only Sleeping"." What a badass.)

Train Of Thought:
1. As I Am 7:47
2. This Dying Soul 11:28
3. Endless Sacrifice 11:23
4. Honor Thy Father 10:14
5. Vacant 2:58
6. Stream of Consciousness 11:16
7. In the Name of God 14:16

*sigh* This Dying Soul has no fat at all, nor does Endless Sacrifice. Honor Thy Father could /possibly/ be made at or under 10 minutes, but it's rough. No easy outros. Same with Steam of Consciousness and In The Name Of God: Nothing to cut. So, all we're left with on this album is As I Am and Vacant. Awesome. :-( We might not even have Vacant, as it's Vocals only. Damn.

Octavarium:
1. The Root of All Evil 8:25
2. The Answer Lies Within 5:33
3. These Walls 7:36
4. I Walk Beside You 4:29
5. Panic Attack 8:13
6. Never Enough 6:46
7. Sacrificed Sons 10:42
8. Octavarium 24:00

Panic Attack is already on RB, so that's nice. Sacrificed Sons has a huge intro. The piano doesn't start the music of the song until 58 seconds in, cutting the song down to 9:45. Sweet. Octavarium, however, is long and seemless. Someone smarter than I could probably cut it up, but it's the same as A Change Of Seasons. *shakes head* **** yeah, Never Enough!

Systematic Chaos:
1. In the Presence of Enemies, Part. I 9:00
2. Forsaken 5:35
3. Constant Motion 6:55
4. The Dark Eternal Night 8:53
5. Repentance 10:43
6. Prophets of War 6:00
7. The Ministry of Lost Souls 14:57
8. In the Presence of Enemies, Part. II 16:38

Repentance has a long outro, but it doesn't fade out or cut out, so trimming that will be difficult. Maybe the middle where the guest artists are confessing? **** The Ministry Of Lost Souls. **** that song right off the album. Just, grrrrrr. In The Presence Of Enemies, Part II could probably be cut into two or three parts. Maybe. I don't know. We might finally get The Dark Eternal Night, so now everyone can stop *****ing about how we need to get it. (I love you guys.)

Black Clouds & Silver Linings:
1. A Nightmare to Remember 16:10
2. A Rite of Passage 8:35
3. Wither 5:25
4. The Shattered Fortress 12:49
5. The Best of Times 13:07
6. The Count of Tuscany 19:16

None of the 10+ minute songs on this album has easy cuts, except for the 2112 section towards the end of The Count Of Tuscany. Otherwise, they're all really smooth songs without gaps anywhere for cuts. Poop. But, A Rite Of Passage is totally sweet, and the solo is brilliant, so that's a plus.

Do you all think they'll also put out live albums or other such non-studio things?

Noah

[SenorLarry]

It's times like this that I wish I had a 360. Hopefully RBN will come to the other systems in RB3, 'cause Dream Theater would be epic.

[Sento Kaiba]

Hmm, it has left me wondering if the whole DT discography is going to be covered, could the live covers of other bands/songs be charted/for sale on the RBN?

[jayou521]

Hmm, it has left me wondering if the whole DT discography is going to be covered, could the live covers of other bands/songs be charted/for sale on the RBN?
Covers are not allowed on the RBN.

[wrldindstries302]

They could be a driving force in getting highly well known bands into RBN.

This could be true if Dream Theater was a well known band.

[Thom1234]

Instrumedley pl0x.

EDIT: Damn, forgot that about half of their catalog will be unusable due to the idiotic 10-minute restriction. Thanks for screwing over pretty much every Prog Band with this stupid rule, HMX.

[trg007]

Yeah, I'm sure there's no technical reason for it at all, they just decided to impose the limit purposely to screw prog bands. :rolleyes:

[BuRn7 CaK3]

We can have 10+ minute songs in Rock Band, but not through the RBN.

Oh. Okay. Thanks!

[Fizzeler]

As much as I dislike the last couple of albums, this would be epic if it happens.

Agreed 100% of course I am not sure about Dominici songs they may have to use Live versions for When Dream And Day Unite

[Ultrace]

This could be true if Dream Theater was a well known band.
Precisely. Dream Theater is not much more well-known than other bands we've seen on RBN. Among people who like their kind of music, they may be well-known, but they remain relatively anonymous to the public at large.

Still, if requests and reaction from the forums are any indication, something like this could definitely drive some sales and interest in RBN.

[davidshek]

Precisely. Dream Theater is not much more well-known than other bands we've seen on RBN.

And the Exaggeration of the Month award goes to...

[Swivle]

And the Exaggeration of the Month award goes to...

Honestly.

Dream Theater is one of those 'just under the surface' bands, as I like to say. Anyone whose bother to look even an inch past what they are told to like by the media has likely heard of Dream Theater. Those people also likely play Rock Band. Put two and two together.

[Mighed]

Yyyyyyyeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If this is not true i am giong to be so mad, but thanks for the update

Im still trying to get in contact with alex lifeson of rush for the entire rush catalog, but it turns out that it would take me two hours to bike to his new house, and I dont have a car to drive the 15 minutes away from me, and i do not know if he will even be there

[kurath]

Although I wasn't honestly expecting (and still not really) the full catalog, I did see this as conceivably being something that DT would get into - but hearing about it as more than speculation is great. Would gladly take most anything I could get, and while the 10 minute limit is a hindrance here, there's still plenty of material to be had.

[Shorty11857]

This could be true if Dream Theater was a well known band.

Last album reached number 6 in the US and was 1 in Europe...yup no one knows these guys

[Der_Lex]

As for those who say DT is not a well-known band, their last two albums made it to the #19 and #6 spots in the Billboard Album top 200, and their chart positions in mainland Europe (they never really caught on in the UK, for some reason), Japan and Mexico have been even higher. Think of them what you will, but they're not an small, unknown band by any means, especially not outside of the US.

[Alright_Computer]

This could be true if Dream Theater was a well known band.


Precisely. Dream Theater is not much more well-known than other bands we've seen on RBN. Among people who like their kind of music, they may be well-known, but they remain relatively anonymous to the public at large.

Still, if requests and reaction from the forums are any indication, something like this could definitely drive some sales and interest in RBN.

Yeah, they've sold 8 million albums, and all of their albums but one have made it into the top 200 album charts in the US except their first one, including their recent #6 album, not to mention the appearances they made in Rock Band and GHWT... but you're right, no one knows who they are.

[DeltaSigMcGehee]

The full DT catalogue would be EPIC

[Swivle]

The guys on Scorehero were talking about the apparent ten minute limit...they linked an article that mentioned the limit as twenty minutes. EDIT: Ignore that, they're wrong.

Also, in the developer quotes thread HMXEnosity said about any time limit: "We are committed to giving artists the same tools that Harmonix uses when authoring music. I want to make it clear that RBN Store songs (if authored to the fullest) will be of the same caliber of songs in the RB Music Store. More details to come later."

That to me indicates that a big name artist like DT would get the same treatment on the RBN store as in the regular store.

Here's the SH topic. (http://rockband.scorehero.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=26682&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=480)

[davidshek]

The guys on Scorehero were talking about the apparent ten minute limit...they linked an article that mentioned the limit as twenty minutes.

The Wired link that you're referring to is wrong. It's 30 seconds to 10 minutes.

[jayou521]

The guys on Scorehero were talking about the apparent ten minute limit...they linked an article that mentioned the limit as twenty minutes.
HMXEnosity already said that the limit was 10 minutes...

http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157183

[Snitsky]

Dream Theaters whole catalog minus all songs over 10 minutes long is actually like only 1/3rd of Dream Theaters catalog though lol

[jayou521]

Dream Theaters whole catalog minus all songs over 10 minutes long is actually like only 1/3rd of Dream Theaters catalog though lol
If you go to Page 4 there's a post there that details everything that would be taken out.

By my count there are 24 songs over 10 minutes~ and 90 total tracks we don't have (splitting apart SDOIT)

So actually only slightly less than one third of their songs would not work (we would get a bit over 2/3 of their catalog).

[J-Roc-Drumz]

http://tinyurl.com/yghea3b



I saw this n had to steal it.

[k-mac]

My best friend would go nuts if they release all of Dream Theater's stuff (10+ minute stuff excluded).

[Accoun]

Oh great. Again people who prefer on-disc content/non-digital copies of things will be screwed...

[MythicAXL]

Sweet dancing Jesus! Yes please!

[Shorty11857]

Oh great. Again people who prefer on-disc content/non-digital copies of things will be screwed...

They'd still release the longer songs on disc maybe

I mean what's wrong with digital stuff for the rock band game, you still have the game on your shelf and the quality is just as high

[jayou521]

Oh great. Again people who prefer on-disc content/non-digital copies of things will be screwed...
... are you kidding me? Why would you prefer on-disc content? You don't buy DLC??? (there are people who don't buy DLC?!?!?)

That's ridiculous. If that's what you're saying. I have no clue what you mean by a "non-digital copy"...

[Thom1234]

Wired suck. (http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2009/08/rock-band-network-2/) I got so excited after reading 20 minutes in their article.

Still, 2 3rds of DT's catalog is better than none.

EDIT: Okay, that article came after HMXEnosity's statement. Has this been clarified yet? Has the limit changed, or did Wired make a mistake?

[davidshek]

EDIT: Okay, that article came after HMXEnosity's statement. Has this been clarified yet? Has the limit changed, or did Wired make a mistake?

Wired made a mistake. From the FAQ in the Beta forums:


What's the minimum and maximum length for a song?
The minimum song length is 30 seconds. The maximum song length is 10 minutes.

[Meatmuppet]

hopefully HMX puts all of it on the ps3

[voodoo618]

I will be every Dream Theater song that comes out.

[woodwindpizza]

I will be every Dream Theater song that comes out.

Did you mean "buy"? Because I wouldn't want to transform into some of their songs, such as Panic Attack, but I would most certainly buy DT's entire catalog. :D

[macamatic]

Oh great. Again people who prefer on-disc content/non-digital copies of things will be screwed...
Just for the record, DVDs are digital.

[afterstasis]

i'm only buying dream theater if HMX presses analog copies.

[Swivle]

i'm only buying dream theater if HMX presses analog copies.

Wait, these are 16-bit remixes, right? 'Cause I'll only buy them if they're the 16-bit versions.

[Shadow2222]

http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=5178.70

From the Dream Theater forums, a posted conversation between the person who runs the official Dream Theater fanclub and DT's keyboardist Jordan Rudess near the bottom of Page 3:






Well, since Shadow (thats me lol) has pestered me from my sick bed, I've done the transcription for yous.

I told JR that I didn't know much about it but people were saying somebody needed to ask the band about it so I was going to...

KP (thats the DT fanclub runner): Rock Band Network – what do you know about it?

JR (Jordan Rudess): Video games? Yeah, it’s when you prepare the song for people to play and a lot of bands are doing it themselves…

KP: Yeah, I think it has to come from the band…

JR: Well, we’re very aware of that. Actually, the guy, Chris Romero, who’s our main keyboard transcriber has spoken to me about that and I’ve spoken to our management and everyone’s really aware of it. We’re just waiting for things to work out on a business level I think with that ‘coz’ we’d all love to see it happen…

KP: Rumour was from Ryan Marziarz (Tabs)…

JR: Yeah, the other transcriber…

KP: that there’s talk that you might do the entire catalogue. Do you know if that’s true?

JR: Well, yeah, hmm, nothing’s happened yet. It would be cool and if they get the go-ahead they’ll be happy – it’s a lot of work! [laughter]

KP: So… it’s something that everybody’s looking at and if it can happen it will happen?

JR: Yeah, for sure! Absolutely. I think it would be a really cool thing.

KP: Great! Thank you!

Hope this meets your expectations!

This could happen!

[jayou521]

http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=5178.70

From the Dream Theater forums, a posted conversation between the person who runs the official Dream Theater fanclub and DT's keyboardist Jordan Rudess near the bottom of Page 3:

This could happen!
YEAH! That's awesome! Totally confirms the post in the OP. (I'll add that convo to the OP as well.)

Nice to see that they're so aware of what the RBN is and that they're all so positive about it. :)

[CarlJohnson3]

I would pay ANYTHING to have A Change of Seasons. I think they could easily break it up into its seven parts and release it like an album since they can't release the rest of the songs because they're all covers.

[Swivle]

Wow, great to hear. "If it can happen, it will happen." This is probably the greatest RB-related news ever for me.

[TobyPM]

Ohhhh myyy goddd

[dreamtheater4life58]

This. Would. Be. Epic. Even if the song length is maxed at 10 mins, thats still a lot of great, challenging songs. It would make me even happier if they were able to break up the long songs into parts.

[vitamins999]

They could legitimately break A Change of Seasons and Octavarium into parts, and price them at the 80msp. Luckily, DT like to section their epics.

Also, I can't see any way this could screw up in the business department. The band is on board and we already know Roadrunner has no problems with RB.

[Sento Kaiba]

I hope if it already is in the works, we'll see some preview charts soon.

[JoshVanHalen87]

zomfg oohh if that was true, i will die with a smile on my face

[Xygnus]

All I gotta say. (http://thxforthe.info/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/****-yeah.jpg)

[Metal_Man]

I'm sorry I haven't been here in a while

OMFG THIS IS SO AWESOME!!!!!!!

[lethalweapon80]

Why is it they cant have songs over 10 minutes but GH can?? Whats that all about?

[ThatAuthoringGroup]

Why is it they cant have songs over 10 minutes but GH can?? Whats that all about?


I'm assuming there is a sizeable difference (in data size) between a user generated midi sounding 'song' and a full audio range, actual instrument, 'real' song.

With vocals.

And note charts for all four difficulties.

For all four instruments.

And band and lighting cues and animations.

Just saying ;)

[Sayburr]

Why is it they cant have songs over 10 minutes but GH can?? Whats that all about?Rock Band can have songs longer than that, but Harmonix has to release them as DLC, not a band releasing them on RBN.

[Jordanfre]

Hopefully they split the longer songs into multiple parts. Then we could have all their songs and wouldn't have to play 40 minute long songs in random setlists.

[Sento Kaiba]

I think having the tracks as a whole would be really fun.

Six Degrees of Inner Turbluence, In The Presence of Enemies, A Change of Seasons & Octavarium in one setlist = about 2 1/2 hrs of non-stop fun just for 4 songs.

[Skydivingninja]

I think having the tracks as a whole would be really fun.

Six Degrees of Inner Turbluence, In The Presence of Enemies, A Change of Seasons & Octavarium in one setlist = about 2 1/2 hrs of non-stop fun just for 4 songs.

Unless you, say, for example, fail The Test That Stumped Them All. Then you get to play through 15 minutes again!

[striderblack]

Wow. I totally want to listen to Six Degrees now...I haven't heard The Test That Stumped Them All in forever. Thanks Skydivingninja!

[Andrew512]

Count me among the crazy folks that will buy every DT song that is released. ;)

[sonicnerd23]

I wonder if these songs will be released for the PS3 via the real music store.

[Tono_Fyr]

I think that if this were to happen, I'd have to do something crazy, like drop a whole bunch of money on switching to the 360 version. I mean... I love the Wii, and even with all the little problems, it's still an awesome game....

But it wouldn't let me buy the discography all over again (which, yes, I do own all of Dream Theater's LP CDs... and the entire videography).

I have some spare cash, but I'm trying to save and put that towards a Carvin custom shop seven string... but Dream Theater's entire discography on Rock Band... GAHHH!

[cheng2009]

definitely count me in for everything, been waiting for more portnoy parts forever. i know that there's more DT and LTE songs on drummania, but the interface sucks.

[Setsu102]

This just needs to happen. I would probably buy every single track released. I'm going to have to get a bigger HDD...lol

[Ultrace]

Hopefully they split the longer songs into multiple parts. Then we could have all their songs and wouldn't have to play 40 minute long songs in random setlists.
No need to worry about the latter concern anyway. RBN songs do not appear in random setlists or in song challenges. They can only be played from quickplay or as make-a-setlist in world tour.

[Evilbottom]

I don't think an entire catalog is necessary for DT, especially not with the god awful last few albums they've released. Under A Glass Moon, Lie and Solitary Shell would do me fine.

[jayou521]

I don't think an entire catalog is necessary for DT, especially not with the god awful last few albums they've released. Under A Glass Moon, Lie and Solitary Shell would do me fine.
The more the merrier. :D

Of course I really want Images and Words, Awake, Scenes From A Memory, and SDOIT more than anything...

However, I'd definitely get all of Systematic Chaos if that were released.

[HelloMaster]

And "Metropolis Part 1" is just short enough to fit the whole thing! :D

It's the song I've been wanting since the first Guitar Hero (and when Rock Band came out, the propsect became even more exciting!)

[Xygnus]

Unless you, say, for example, fail The Test That Stumped Them All. Then you get to play through 15 minutes again!

Ugh, imagine if the keyboard were charted. Like 14 minutes in, insta fail.

[kevjmartinez]

I remember a while back seeing on one of the official RBN companies that was making songs for various artists had a poll that included what band discographies people would like to see, and Dream Theater was one of them. It's nice to see a little more substance to that poll, and holy crap this would be amazing. Dream Theater has slowly but surely crept into my top three favorite bands, so I obviously want them in the game. After reading the post on page 4 that showed the song lengths, it's great to see that many make the cut, but it's sad to see some of my favorite songs (Octavarium, Home, The Count of Tuscany) won't make the cut unless it goes through Harmonix as regular DLC. Hopefully that will happen. The only other thing I'm worried about is difficulty, mainly because I downloaded Constant Motion, and it's the only song I have that I can't beat on expert. I'd hate to get all of these songs and fail them. :(

[Xenigma]

The only other thing I'm worried about is difficulty, mainly because I downloaded Constant Motion, and it's the only song I have that I can't beat on expert. I'd hate to get all of these songs and fail them. :(

Both of the Dream Theater songs we have are insanely difficult, but the music is great and the charts often very fun. That's the big difference between them and a song like Visions. They're both incredibly hard, but you'll actually want to play the Dream Theater songs.

Oh, and finally beating expert guitar on Constant Motion was one of the most awesome moments I've had in Rock Band. Totally worth the effort it takes to get through all that absurdity.

[jayou521]

And "Metropolis Part 1" is just short enough to fit the whole thing! :D

It's the song I've been wanting since the first Guitar Hero (and when Rock Band came out, the propsect became even more exciting!)
It was one of the first DT songs I heard. My love for it grew so much greater when I first listened to Images and Words and realized how awesome it would be in the game.

It's definitely one of my most wanted songs for the game, if not the most wanted song for me.

[Sento Kaiba]

Any information updates from DT's side of things?

[Rockox]

And "Metropolis Part 1" is just short enough to fit the whole thing!

Back when I sang in rock and metal bands, that was the song I would always sing along to so I could warm up.

I love Images and Words. I can still remember when I heard the album for the first time while I was at a jazz camp in Colorado. It probably took me a half hour to get thru "Pull Me Under" and onward to the rest of the album, because I kept rewinding the song. Especially the line: "Watch the sparrow falling gives new meaning to it all if not today nor yet tomorrow then some other day." Just AWESOME.

Thanks for starting this thread, jayou521. I hadn't heard about Dream Theater's interest in RBN.

[solidsnakejt]

i hope the entire discography can really happen :D

[Thom1234]

i hope the entire discography can really happen :D
No it can't, due to the 10 minute limit on songs.

[fragbert66]

It probably took me a half hour to get thru "Pull Me Under" and onward to the rest of the album, because I kept rewinding the song.

This x 1,000,000!

"Pull Me Under" alone would be a fantastic addition to RB.

[jeccaneko]

I shall buy any Dream Theater that comes to Rock Band, on the official HMX release side or the RBN side.

[Amnesis]

WOAH WOAH WOAH!!

I would even get their later albums! :D

[Thom1234]

This x 1,000,000!

"Pull Me Under" alone would be a fantastic addition to RB.
It was boring as hell in GH4.

And, people; the full discography can't be released through RBN, considering that 1/3 of DT's songs are over 10 minutes.

[Starfleet_Rambo]

I'm so glad I saw this thread in the main forum section.

I'm giddy to the point of wetting mah pants. :eek:

[Shadow2222]

I'm crossing my fingers that this happens

[xxRaen]

It was boring as hell in GH4.

And, people; the full discography can't be released through RBN, considering that 1/3 of DT's songs are over 10 minutes.
They could always release songs over 10 minutes in chunks. Most songs that are long have some small breaks or shifts from very loud to soft that would allow for a cutoff and then breaking that song into 2 or 3 parts. It could be done. It's not really the best solution, but the solution is there.

[Rockox]

It was boring as hell in GH4.

I'd rather have boring charts of awesome songs I like rather than stupidly difficult charts of songs I have absolutly zero interest in. "Pull Me Under" falls into the former category. :)

[RockerJoe123]

I hope this includes John Petrucci solo album 'Suspended Animation'

Glasgow Kiss would really make me excited

[NeutralMilkMotel]

isn't the whole purpose of the RBN too introduce lesser known bands too the community? i'm not entirely sure on that.

but that seems like a DLC kind of thing if true.

[jayou521]

isn't the whole purpose of the RBN too introduce lesser known bands too the community? i'm not entirely sure on that.

but that seems like a DLC kind of thing if true.
Even though the majority of RBN artists will be lesser known, we are still going to have some major artists.

We're rumored to be getting the first 3 Sunny Day Real Estate albums as well~

If the company that is gonna chart the songs gets the go ahead, then this is going to happen via the RBN.

HMX has the option to release some songs by DLC to other platforms if they want to~

[General Lein979]

isn't the whole purpose of the RBN too introduce lesser known bands too the community? i'm not entirely sure on that.

but that seems like a DLC kind of thing if true.No, its just putting the tools in the bands or labels hands so they can put a song in rock band via a company or themselves if they want to. Any band can do it or any label, from Led Zeppelin to a local band playing a bar near you tonight if they want to or even if a bigger label like WMG wanted to they could hmx isn't really isn't stopping them.

[rockthelotus]

Good lord, can you imagine the entire Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence?

You know what would be even more f*cking insane?

ALL OF SCENES FROM A MEMORY. THAT WOULD BE THE GREATEST DLC EVER.

and hell f*cking yes if they do this... DT = my #1 most requested band.

[nascarfan19]

Obviously they can't put out any songs over 10 minutes, but nonetheless it would be awesome if we can more Dream Theater via the RBN!!

dang it, that eliminates Octavarium :mad:...:D (i like Octavarium)

[JShadowz666]

I hope those who are wishing against later DT albums are not including Black Clouds & Silver Linings. That album is INCREDIBLE! I especially love The Best Of Times, as Mike Portnoy wrote that for his father. And in 100% seriousness, I have not been as thoroughly satisified with an album, as I am with BC&SL, in a long f****** time.

[Shadow2222]

Yes, BCaSL is one of their better albums (and I love all DT albums, including WDaDU and SC)

[CCGPheonix]

Dark Eternal Night would be all kinds of awesome to play.

[a_bull_on_parade]

They should bend the 10 min rule for DT, it would be worth it.

[Shadow2222]

I know. Who doesn't want to play The Count of Tuscany, Octavarium, or A Change of Seasons?

I freakin' love DT, and I hope this goes through.

I should also say, if you aren't already, you should sign up for the Dream Theater official forum (http://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/).

Its a really cool place, with a lot of nice (and smart) people.

[libregkd]

I want this to be true, but I also rather have this as regular DLC. I'm just afraid that, if it does come to RBN, a few DT songs would never make it onto the PS3. :/

[ame5057]

Sooooooooo, right when RBN was announced I assumed DT would never use it (figured they are way too popular, can't believe I doubted MP), and thought I could make the songs myself or something haha. I got the RB Creator's name "Dream Theater"... I kind of want to give it to them if they are gonna be releasing songs on RBN

[Starfleet_Rambo]

HMX should partner up with Dream Theater to get the catalog out for Rock Band.

HMX will chart the songs over ten minutes, DT will take care of the rest.

Maybe if Dave Grohl had drummed on a song for them, we'd have moar DT already. ;)

[Xygnus]

HMX should partner up with Dream Theater to get the catalog out for Rock Band.

HMX will chart the songs over ten minutes, DT will take care of the rest.

Maybe if Dave Grohl had drummed on a song for them, we'd have moar DT already. ;)

New single by Dream Theater feat. Dave Grohl announced!

[Starfleet_Rambo]

New single by Dream Theater feat. Dave Grohl announced!

Darn it! You broke the code! Title of the single is "Foo Theater".

It's 9 minutes long and features a 6 minute turn based drum battle between Portnoy and Grohl.

[Shadow2222]

Hey, you guys, obviously Dream Theater knows about this, but as there hasn't been any new information lately, we should send (polite) emails to Roadrunner Records and Dream Theater (using their contact info at dreamtheater.net) to let them know how much we want them in Rock Band.

[Xygnus]

hey, you guys, obviously dream theater knows about this, but as there hasn't been any new information lately, we should send (polite) emails to roadrunner records and dream theater (using their contact info at dreamtheater.net) to let them know how much we want them in rock band.

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this much!

[Ditg]

Is there any preview charts for any Dream Theater songs yet?

[Sento Kaiba]

Is there any preview charts for any Dream Theater songs yet?

None yet.

If we get even one preview chart, I will be so excited bc not only would that mean we get a release date song, but also more probably very soon.


BTW, why is the 10 min a "software limitation?"

If those PS2 customs that are over 10 mins exists, doesn't that mean its possible to exceed the limit?

[davidshek]

If those PS2 customs that are over 10 mins exists, doesn't that mean its possible to exceed the limit?

No. PS2 customs are a very different animal than RBN songs. The biggest difference being that they aren't compiled with Magma.

[Shadow2222]

Is there any preview charts for any Dream Theater songs yet?

The problem is, there is no "official" word that this is really going to happen. We honestly at this point are just waiting to see if even one song happens. The guys interested in doing it are not involved in the closed beta, so at the minimum we already have to wait until the open beta begins.

[Sento Kaiba]

I really hope to hear something from the band sometime soon if they're in or not. I hope they take note of the recently major artist who are now involved and join in soon. I think it'll happen, and hopefully this recent announcement pushes them to join in.

[voodoo618]

I'm going to guess that a dev from Harmonix will talk with Dream Theater's management and get songs to come out through the regular DLC stream and not RBN.

That way, Harmonix will actually reap the benefits and we will be able to get 10+min songs.

[Xenigma]

Once you have the influence to get a song on-disc, you probably talk with Harmonix first, but it certainly doesn't exclude you from putting up extra offerings on RBN. I'd love to see them expand the number of songs on Rock Band via RBN, but if they hold out on a few tracks because Harmonix wants to personally release them (via RB3 or regular DLC or whatever), I'm cool with that.

[ZhaneBX]

Or they could do both, let HMX make there 10+min songs regular DLC and other songs under 10min via RBN ;)

[Mega-Tallica]

If this all goes down, I pray that Dream Theater will be one of the bands transferring over to PS3 when RBN becomes available for PS3.

[Xenigma]

If this all goes down, I pray that Dream Theater will be one of the bands transferring over to PS3 when RBN becomes available for PS3.

I think it would be more of a surprise if they didn't transfer. ;)

[Prog-rock-rules]

I would like to see RBN on PS3... do they do all instruments? all difficulties?

Ive heard about RBN network before, and I know some other progressive bands are charting thier music..for instance Spock's Beard...and that would be cool, but I would still like some official Dream Theater DLC

[GeneralGilliam]

Meh, I got a 360, Im good with the RBN just how it is ;)

[davidshek]

I would like to see RBN on PS3... do they do all instruments? all difficulties?

If the song has all instruments, then they will all be in the RBN charts. And yes, all difficulties are mandatory, just like regular DLC.

[instantdeath999]

If the song has all instruments, then they will all be in the RBN charts. And yes, all difficulties are mandatory, just like regular DLC.

That's new to me... I remember one of the mods telling me that a song does not have to feature all four instruments. I used a folk song as an example, with nothing but guitar and vocals, which was supposedly fair game. I know I'd personally buy folk songs.

[GeneralGilliam]

Well it doesn't have to have all 4 instruments in the song, but every one of the 4 main instruments in the song (drums, guitar, bass, vocals) HAS to be charted on every difficultly.

A good example is YYZ by Rush

[davidshek]

That's new to me... I remember one of the mods telling me that a song does not have to feature all four instruments. I used a folk song as an example, with nothing but guitar and vocals, which was supposedly fair game. I know I'd personally buy folk songs.

I'm not sure I follow you. Where did I say it has to feature all four instruments?

I just said that if it DOES have all four instruments, they will be authored. They certainly don't have to have all four, and can even have only 1. Solo acoustic guitar songs are fair game.

[instantdeath999]

I'm not sure I follow you. Where did I say it has to feature all four instruments?

I just said that if it DOES have all four instruments, they will be authored. They certainly don't have to have all four, and can even have only 1. Solo acoustic guitar songs are fair game.

Ah, okay. Misinterpretation on my part. I thought you were saying that a song was required to have all four instruments.

[davidshek]

Ah, okay. Misinterpretation on my part. I thought you were saying that a song was required to have all four instruments.

Nope, the only thing that is really mandatory is that any instrument that is authored must be authored on all 4 difficulties.

[Shadow2222]

So, what songs/albums would you like to see first if this came true?

Personally, being realistic, I would want (first) Metropolis Pt. I, As I Am, and Six Degrees (split up of course).

In an alternate reality (without time limits), I would want In the Name of God, Octavarium, The Count of Tuscany, and A Change of Seasons.

[GeneralGilliam]

That'd be great to see The Glass Prison make it into the game, but It's over 10 minutes so it probably won't happen :(

[TonyDanzaTapdanceBonanza]

RBN has a 10 minute max on song though. So will they be alter that rule for the catalog? Or will they edit the songs which would ruin them like they did for Prequel To The Sequel by Between The Buried And Me.

Edit: And if they do do the entire catalog, I'm impressed that DT has all of their master files still.

[davidshek]

RBN has a 10 minute max on song though. So will they be alter that rule for the catalog?

No. RBN has a 10 minute maximum limitation on song length. Period.

[Wiiman95]

If they don't include the songs that are 10+ Minutes, that's taking out about 1/3rd of their catalog.

[Piscasis]

No. RBN has a 10 minute maximum limitation on song length. Period.
Then it's not really the Dream Theater catalog any longer now is it?

[Xenigma]

I'm amazed at how many times the argument concerning song length keeping us from the whole catalog has appeared. I thought people would be content with knowing Dream Theater is interested in putting their songs on RBN. There are plenty of awesome songs from them that meet the length requirement; we really don't need a whole discography. I'm just happy we may soon have more DT to play, which is awesome whether it means we have only a couple more songs or several albums worth.

[KEWB]

I'm amazed at how many times the argument concerning song length keeping us from the whole catalog has appeared. I thought people would be content with knowing Dream Theater is interested in putting their songs on RBN. There are plenty of awesome songs from them that meet the length requirement; we really don't need a whole discography. I'm just happy we may soon have more DT to play, which is awesome whether it means we have only a couple more songs or several albums worth.

But...but....Glass Prison.....:(

[Piscasis]

I'm amazed at how many times the argument concerning song length keeping us from the whole catalog has appeared. I thought people would be content with knowing Dream Theater is interested in putting their songs on RBN. There are plenty of awesome songs from them that meet the length requirement; we really don't need a whole discography. I'm just happy we may soon have more DT to play, which is awesome whether it means we have only a couple more songs or several albums worth.
Most people wanted to play the big long Dream Theater epics that they are so famous for such as Octavarium, The Glass Prison, or A Change Of Seasons. It's just that a lot of their best songs are over 10 mins. I'm not complaining, it's just unfortunate that we have to be cut off like this. At least we can still get Metropolis Pt. I and Dance of Eternity.

[Xenigma]

Most people wanted to play the big long Dream Theater epics that they are so famous for such as Octavarium, The Glass Prison, or A Change Of Seasons.

And that's what regular DLC and future Rock Band releases are for. ;)

[Shadow2222]

But Harmonix has thrown prog and metal to the backburner lately with very sparse releases recently (especially prog). Chances are there will never be anymore official DT releases through regular Rock Band. I hope there will be, but...

[ironman126]

Hmmm this kinda sucks for me. The only dream theater songs I actually care about are over 10 mins in length. :( I mean I would be stoked to be able to play anything from them and would probably down load quite a few. But Home and The Glass Prison must have some sort of exception. We need to play those songs.

[GeneralGilliam]

I WANT A NIGHTMARE TO REMEMBER!!!!! *remembers songs can only be 10 minutes* CURSE YOU HARMONIXXXXXXXXXXXXXX!!

[Thom1234]

But Harmonix has thrown prog and metal to the backburner lately with very sparse releases recently (especially prog). Chances are there will never be anymore official DT releases through regular Rock Band. I hope there will be, but...
Wow, such well-thought-out reasoning and rationale. Oh, wait...

[Piscasis]

And that's what regular DLC and future Rock Band releases are for. ;)

Thats kinda what I was relying on. They'd release it in two parts maybe. One part through RBN being all songs 10 min and under. Then the second part through regular DLC being all the rest of the songs. But for some reason I still can't quite see them releasing 23 or 24 minute songs even as regular DLC. We can only hope. Harmonix, make the right decision.

[Lady Siara]

Maybe they could split the songs into two parts?

A silly idea, I'm sure, but it would work, right?

[Xenigma]

But for some reason I still can't quite see them releasing 23 or 24 minute songs even as regular DLC. We can only hope.

That's my worry. I can see songs like The Glass Prison get a Harmonix release since they aren't that far over the RBN limit of 10 minutes, but stuff like Octavarium and Change of Seasons are a stretch. As epic as it would be for fans, I doubt a 20+ minute song is going to appeal to most RB players. At least Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence is already partitioned into RB-ready pieces, so it's doable.

[Shadow2222]

Wow, such well-thought-out reasoning and rationale. Oh, wait...

What are you implying? I don't like the tone of your post. Are you denying the fact that there has been a prog drought lately? I did, as well, think about the second part (no more Dream Theater being released through regular RB). Why would Harmonix, as familiar as they may be with DT, think, "Oh that band is releasing a whole bunch of songs for the RBN? It would make perfect sense to release them on RB as well even though they are willing to use the RBN and save us time!"

However, MAYBE if the RBN tracks sell really well, Harmonix will think, "Maybe the unreleasable 10+ minute songs we should have a look at for RB."

If you want to pick this post apart, feel free. If you disagree, fine, you have your opinion, but I think I explained myself thoroughly enough.

[Xenigma]

A "prog drought"? What, were the pair of Kansas songs not "prog" enough for you? I'll admit Harmonix doesn't release prog often, but when they do, it tends to be pretty awesome.

[Shadow2222]

When there is a drought, and someone finds two buckets of water, is the drought over?

[JonnyAtlas]

ACoS is broken up in movements as well (see Once in a Livetime). They could easily break it up into movements.

[Sento Kaiba]

ACoS is broken up in movements as well (see Once in a Livetime). They could easily break it up into movements.

It can be easily broken up, but to me it just won't be the same as playing the whole 23 mins straight through. I really don't see an actual reason why RB "can't" release a 20 min song though. Both games RB & GH have an 11 min Metallica song.

Ah well, at least for now I have FoFiX and ACoS on there.

[davidshek]

It can be easily broken up, but to me it just won't be the same as playing the whole 23 mins straight through. I really don't see an actual reason why RB "can't" release a 20 min song though. Both games RB & GH have an 11 min Metallica song.


Harmonix can release a 20 minute song as regular DLC if they chose to. But RBN cannot.

[Mega-Tallica]

Here's a list of Dream Theater songs over 10 minutes:

Learning To Live
Scarred
A Change Of Seasons (could be split into 7 separate tracks)
Lines In The Sand (damn)
Trial Of Tears
Beyond This Life
Home
Finally Free (damn again)
The Glass Prison (you get the idea by now)
Blind Faith
The Great Debate
Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence (also can be split into 8 separate tracks)
This Dying Soul
Endless Sacrifice
Honor Thy Father
Stream Of Consciousness
In The Name Of God
Sacrificed Sons
Octavarium
Repentance
The Ministry Of Lost Souls
In The Presence Of Enemies Pt. II
A Nightmare To Remember
The Shattered Fortress
The Best Of Times
The Count Of Tuscany

As you can see, there is reason to be upset as a good chunk of DT's discography is gone due to this 10 minute rule.

[jayou521]

If this works out I would be most disappointed about not being to play "Learning To Live".

We could get everything on Images and Words except that last amazing track~

[vitamins999]

It seems somewhat funny/annoying that the only full DT album that could be released through RBN is When Dream and Day Unite, which just happens to be the one most people have never heard and usually dismissed by most fans.

[Piscasis]

It seems somewhat funny/annoying that the only full DT album that could be released through RBN is When Dream and Day Unite, which just happens to be the one most people have never heard and usually dismissed by most fans.
Quite frankly I enjoy When Dream and Day Unite but it has nothing on any of the other DT albums. About 95% of my favorite DT songs are over 10 min, as is the case with many others. Sucks. And has Harmonix yet explained why there is this 10 min cap on the songs. I know they said they couldn't get into at this time but has there been any word recently, or does anyone have any idea why?

[davidshek]

And has Harmonix yet explained why there is this 10 min cap on the songs. I know they said they couldn't get into at this time but has there been any word recently, or does anyone have any idea why?

In the Beta forums, yes, an explanation that was provided in the regular forums in this thread (http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=176480) a few weeks ago:


The reason is due to hardware limitations on the 360 and PS3. Once the song is over 10 minutes, you start to run into memory issues that are not easily tested through Audition more, or on anything other than a development console. Some songs would be able to work to about 11 min or so but that greatly depends on how the audio streams are formatted. Because of this, 10 minutes max was created as a hardline.

[Mega-Tallica]

It seems somewhat funny/annoying that the only full DT album that could be released through RBN is When Dream and Day Unite, which just happens to be the one most people have never heard and usually dismissed by most fans.

It's a shame that it gets overlooked. There some really solid tracks off When Dream And Day Unite including "A Fortune In Lies", "Status Seeker", and "Ytse Jam".

[Sento Kaiba]

So what about Led Zeppelin Melody? Would it be allowed? It'd be the closest to having Zep.

[davidshek]

So what about Led Zeppelin Melody? Would it be allowed? It'd be the closest to having Zep.

You mean the Medley, the one that was on A Change of Seasons that contains "The Rover", "Achilles Last Stand", and "The Song Remains the Same"? I doubt it, first of all because it's a Live track, and second because it's a cover.

[kagatoASUKA89]

This makes me happy and sad my favorite Dream Theater song still can't be put on Rock Band :/ with the 10 minute limit and what not.

[Sento Kaiba]

it's a cover.

The Live thing not happening I can deal with. Its just this no covers. I mean if that band got permission from Zep or with any other songs they've covered, like when DT covered Metallica's Master of Puppets, I really don't see why it'd be so wrong for DT to put their covers up on the RBN.

They obviously got permission to perform the songs, so don't they have the right to use it however? I'm all in favor for major artist on the RBN who have authorized rights to use covers, to put them up.

[davidshek]

They obviously got permission to perform the songs, so don't they have the right to use it however? I'm all in favor for major artist on the RBN who have authorized rights to use covers, to put them up.

Whether you're in favor of it or not, HMX has laid down a strict "no covers" policy for RBN because it's a very convoluted gray legal area.

No covers means no covers, no matter how major the artist is.

[wreckem279]

Could a medly of sorts be available to purchase?

Like, you have it as 8 different tracks like in The Beatles game, and then like, the game makes it into a medley.

Like, I don't logically see why if they had all the songs already on the game, why would there be the need to download the same songs all over again but in a medley when they're already on the hard drive.

I could be completely wrong. But I'm just wondering how they do it.

[Magnet]

The Live thing not happening I can deal with. Its just this no covers. I mean if that band got permission from Zep or with any other songs they've covered, like when DT covered Metallica's Master of Puppets, I really don't see why it'd be so wrong for DT to put their covers up on the RBN.

They obviously got permission to perform the songs, so don't they have the right to use it however? I'm all in favor for major artist on the RBN who have authorized rights to use covers, to put them up.

That's actually not quite how it works. A band getting permission to include a cover song on an album means that it is licensed for that use. Usually if the band wants to use that cover and put it on another album (say a compilation album) or license it further for a TV commercial or video game, there is additional licensing from the original artist required for the new use.

It's not that Harmonix has something against the idea of covers, but the legal ramifications of trying to put a cover song in the game introduce verification aspects that are beyond the scope of what the legal/licensing team is prepared to handle for the RBN. The RBN was not created with navigating through a slew of messy licensing issues in mind.

[davidshek]

Could a medly of sorts be available to purchase?

Like, you have it as 8 different tracks like in The Beatles game, and then like, the game makes it into a medley.

Nope, nothing like that, no song packs either. Single song purchases only.

[Sento Kaiba]

A band getting permission to include a cover song on an album means that it is licensed for that use.

That's not completely accurate. It all really depends on the actual contract between the original act and the act that wishes to cover it. Some contract will state that the requesting artist may use original artist as often as they like, providing the original artist more royalties or some other formal agreement.

[CCDaDon]

Nope, nothing like that, no song packs either. Single song purchases only.

I think what he's talking about is if you buy all the songs seperately, would the game put them all together to play at once. Anyway the answer to that would be LOLNO. With the Beatles and the Abbey Road Medley, the Medley is a song file by itself IN the pack, the game does not just "make it into a medley". Meaning when you buy the pack, you're still downloading those songs twice.

[Magnet]

That's not completely accurate. It all really depends on the actual contract between the original act and the act that wishes to cover it. Some contract will state that the requesting artist may use original artist as often as they like, providing the original artist more royalties or some other formal agreement.

What's not completely accurate about the part you quoted? If a band gets permission to use a cover on an album, of course it is licensed for that use. That's just a given. I didn't say only licensed for that use. :p

I followed up that certainty with a "usually" addendum to describe what usually occurs afterward. Of course it will ultimately depend on contexts and specific contracts. These different scenarios and multiple involved parties all contribute to the legal complexities of allowing licensed covers. This is not territory that MTV/HMX wants to delve into for RBN material.

[Xygnus]

Any time now, any time now, any time now...

Also, I have to agree with Magnet here. It's too complicated, even if they have the rights to put the song on RBN.

[Sayburr]

My hope and dream is that Harmonix themselves found out about this and have suggested making this into a band release so HMX can get songs in longer than 10mins.

[thebocaj]

they could always use the Greatest Hit (...And 21 Other Pretty Cool Songs) versions of some of the songs like Home, to make them under 10 minutes. Other than that song, all my faves are under 10 mins already. :)

[Piscasis]

they could always use the Greatest Hit (...And 21 Other Pretty Cool Songs) versions of some of the songs like Home, to make them under 10 minutes. Other than that song, all my faves are under 10 mins already. :)

Thats rare, usually the most favorited songs by DT are over 10 min.

[jr174200]

My hope and dream is that Harmonix themselves found out about this and have suggested making this into a band release so HMX can get songs in longer than 10mins.

My hope is similar, in that larger bands will be able to get around the 10-minute limit by going through HMX. It's understandable why they have the limit in place for the casual creators, but exceptions should be made for popular bands with longer epics such as Dream Theater, Rush, Phish etc.

[davidshek]

My hope is similar, in that larger bands will be able to get around the 10-minute limit by going through HMX. It's understandable why they have the limit in place for the casual creators, but exceptions should be made for popular bands with longer epics such as Dream Theater, Rush, Phish etc.

Exceptions cannot be made because it's a memory limitation of Audition Mode. This isn't an arbitrary limit that somebody just picked out of thin air and set. I pasted an explanation a page or so ago, here:
http://www.rockband.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3416513&postcount=174

[Xenigma]

Exceptions cannot be made because it's a memory limitation of Audition Mode. This isn't an arbitrary limit that somebody just picked out of thin air and set. I pasted an explanation a page or so ago, here:
http://www.rockband.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3416513&postcount=174

In other words, maybe for a regular release if Harmonix can ensure via internal testing it'll run properly, but definitely not from RBN.

[Starfleet_Rambo]

I would like to see a collaborative effort between DT and HMX. DT works on their songs under 10 minutes and HMX charts the rest that are over 10 minutes.

It would be pretty schweet! to have DT be Rock Band's first band discography on the game.

[Shadow2222]

That would be very cool, and while it probably wouldn't happen, Dream Theater is one of the few bands (IMO) that would be worthy of that.

[Suttler]

Obviously they can't put out any songs over 10 minutes,

Good luck trying to find a good DT song under 10. And I mean good. Not fragments of 6 Degrees or Metropolis.

[jayou521]

Good luck trying to find a good DT song under 10. And I mean good. Not fragments of 6 Degrees or Metropolis.
:rolleyes:

[Xenigma]

Good luck trying to find a good DT song under 10. And I mean good. Not fragments of 6 Degrees or Metropolis.

The majority of Images and Words? Heck, Metropolis Pt. 1 alone would be amazing.

[HaloOfTheSun]

they could always use the Greatest Hit (...And 21 Other Pretty Cool Songs) versions of some of the songs like Home, to make them under 10 minutes. Other than that song, all my faves are under 10 mins already. :)

Those versions suck though. Take "Solitary Shell" as an example. The best parts of that song are gone in that version.

[Swivle]

Good luck trying to find a good DT song under 10. And I mean good. Not fragments of 6 Degrees or Metropolis.

Did you just insult Take the Time?

[HaloOfTheSun]

Good luck trying to find a good DT song under 10. And I mean good. Not fragments of 6 Degrees or Metropolis.

Pull Me Under
Another Day
Take the Time
Metropolis Pt. 1
Under a Glass Moon
6:00
Caught in a Web
Erotomania
Voices
The Silent Man
The Mirror
Lie
Lifting Shadows Off a Dream
Hell's Kitchen
Misunderstood
Disappear
As I Am
Root of All Evil
The Answer Lies Within
These Walls
I Walk Beside You
Never Enough
Forsaken
The Dark Eternal Night
Prophets of War
A Rite of Passage

Counting 6 Degrees as one song is fair, but counting Metropolis 2 as one song isn't. Even leaving that out there are still plenty of good DT songs under 10 minutes. This isn't even all of them. So obviously you're just one of those people that assumes every song by them is some huge 30 minute epic.

[Ditg]

I can't believe there is still not even a hint of proof that this is in the works. I scan the RBN testing posts and see about 55 songs up and no Dream Theater. I am a firm believer that DT should have the next band release game and not Green Day. To know they don't, and to hear rumors of DT songs in the works by John Petrucci and not see any DLC in any form is heart breaking....

[Sento Kaiba]

I can't believe there is still not even a hint of proof that this is in the works. I scan the RBN testing posts and see about 55 songs up and no Dream Theater. I am a firm believer that DT should have the next band release game and not Green Day. To know they don't, and to hear rumors of DT songs in the works by John Petrucci and not see any DLC in any form is heart breaking....

Portnoy is the most in favor of the band's inclusion to RB DLC & RBN. If anyone is to show the most interest it'd be him.

DT:RB would be so win!

[killer_roach]

Portnoy is the most in favor of the band's inclusion to RB DLC & RBN. If anyone is to show the most interest it'd be him.

DT:RB would be so win!

Considering Portnoy is the mastermind / resident control freak of the band (saying that in the most appreciative way, of course), that's a good sign.

[CCDaDon]

Portnoy is the most in favor of the band's inclusion to RB DLC & RBN. If anyone is to show the most interest it'd be him.

DT:RB would be so win!

Actually it's a guy who does... something with their keyboards(Yeah I know, beautiful description, someone please tell me what that guy actually does -_-). He plays the games a LOT, and is the one who talked the rest of the band into the idea.

[vitamins999]

He transcribes the keyboards.

It would nice to hear more about this - we haven't heard anything since November. Someone should badger the guy on MP's forums.

[Shadow2222]

I agree. I wish there was some kind of update.

[Wiiman95]

If they DO do 6 Degrees, just include all the seperate parts and Cut off some of that Extended chord at the end of Losing Time/Grand Finale.

[Mega-Tallica]

Pull Me Under
Another Day
Take the Time
Metropolis Pt. 1
Under a Glass Moon
6:00
Caught in a Web
Erotomania
Voices
The Silent Man
The Mirror
Lie
Lifting Shadows Off a Dream
Hell's Kitchen
Misunderstood
Disappear
As I Am
Root of All Evil
The Answer Lies Within
These Walls
I Walk Beside You
Never Enough
Forsaken
The Dark Eternal Night
Prophets of War
A Rite of Passage

Counting 6 Degrees as one song is fair, but counting Metropolis 2 as one song isn't. Even leaving that out there are still plenty of good DT songs under 10 minutes. This isn't even all of them. So obviously you're just one of those people that assumes every song by them is some huge 30 minute epic.

Probably my 3 least favorite DT tracks of all time. The rest of the list is good though.

You also forgot:

A Fortune In Lies
Status Seeker
Ytse Jam
In The Presence Of Enemies Part 1
The Dance Of Eternity
Peruvian Skies
New Millenium
Overture 1928
One Last Time
Fatal Tragedy

The point is, there's plenty of good songs under 10 minutes.

[voodoo618]

Probably my 3 least favorite DT tracks of all time. The rest of the list is good though.

You also forgot:

A Fortune In Lies
Status Seeker
Ytse Jam
In The Presence Of Enemies Part 1
The Dance Of Eternity
Peruvian Skies
New Millenium
Overture 1928
One Last Time
Fatal Tragedy

The point is, there's plenty of good songs under 10 minutes.

Prophets of War > Your face

I agree with you with the other two, though.

[Mega-Tallica]

Prophets of War > Your face

I agree with you with the other two, though.

Prophets Of War is what happens when they let James write the lyrics.

The weakest track on a weak album.

[Wiiman95]

Prophets Of War is what happens when they let James write the lyrics.

The weakest track on a weak album.

I think the whole purpose of that song was to be a song that the audience can sing along to. I do agree that SC was not their best ablum though.

[Mega-Tallica]

I think the whole purpose of that song was to be a song that the audience can sing along to. I do agree that SC was not their best ablum though.

I guess, I will say that the main guitar riff is pretty cool, but the lyrics really bring the song down.

But, then again, the lyrics are never DT's strong point.

[voodoo618]

Prophets Of War is what happens when they let James write the lyrics.

The weakest track on a weak album.

You're ****ing complaining about lyrics?

What the ****?

[voodoo618]

I think the whole purpose of that song was to be a song that the audience can sing along to. I do agree that SC was not their best ablum though.

Octavarium was a lot worse than Systematic Chaos.

A LOT...

[Mega-Tallica]

You're ****ing complaining about lyrics?

What the ****?

Very cheesy for DT's standards.

The song would have been better off being an instrumental.

And SC is better than Octavarium, just barely, but both albums are among DT's worst.

[voodoo618]

Very cheesy for DT's standards.

The song would have been better off being an instrumental.

And SC is better than Octavarium, just barely, but both albums are among DT's worst.

Cheesy?

I don't know if I can tell you a song from DT that is not cheesy.

Let me guess, you think Metropolis and Image and Words are the best albums from them?

[Mega-Tallica]

Cheesy?

I don't know if I can tell you a song from DT that is not cheesy.

Let me guess, you think Metropolis and Image and Words are the best albums from them?

All DT lyrics are cheesy, but PoW is VERY cheesy...

And no, my favorite album from them is Awake. Images & Words would be second, Scenes From A Memory third.

[Wiiman95]

I guess, I will say that the main guitar riff is pretty cool, but the lyrics really bring the song down.

But, then again, the lyrics are never DT's strong point.

I wouldn't say the lyrics are weak, it's the delivery or the lyrics. James is the weakest link in the band IMO. You have:

John Petrucci. One of the fastest Guitarists in the world
John Myung. There's no denying his talent
Mike Portnoy. Huge kit and he knows how to play it.
Jordan Ruddess. Dance of Eternity. Nuff Said.
and James LaBrie. Learning to Live is his best singing without a doubt. But since SFAM, there's haven't been many songs that showcase his voice. They're mostly just average singing.

All of this just My Opinion.

[voodoo618]

All DT lyrics are cheesy, but PoW is VERY cheesy...

And no, my favorite album from them is Awake. Images & Words would be second, Scenes From A Memory third.

Please tell me, how is this any "cheesier" than any other DT song.

It burns deep down inside of me
We have ourselves to blame
Not questioning, accepted as the truth

Debate this fight it's just cause
The facts do not supports theirs
To liberate a people
And rid them of tyrant rule

Is it time to make a change
Are we closer than before
Can we help them break away
Are we profiting from war
It's time to make a change

There are many more songs from DT that are plenty "cheesier" than that.

[Mega-Tallica]

I wouldn't say the lyrics are weak, it's the delivery or the lyrics. James is the weakest link in the band IMO. You have:

John Petrucci. One of the fastest Guitarists in the world
John Myung. There's no denying his talent
Mike Portnoy. Huge kit and he knows how to play it.
Jordan Ruddess. Dance of Eternity. Nuff Said.
and James LaBrie. Learning to Live is his best singing without a doubt. But since SFAM, there's haven't been many songs that showcase his voice. They're mostly just average singing.

All of this just My Opinion.

John Petrucci - I once thought the same, but have since found out that he's just like all the other shred guitar guys (Rusty Cooley, Paul Gilbert, Yngwie Malmsteen, etc.)
John Myung - IMO the best talent in the band, but I have yet to hear him speak...
Mike Portnoy - Badass drummer that has an amazing kit, I agree
Jordan Ruddess - Also agree
James LaBrie - Once had a great voice with range, but he has blown it out over the years and is steadily getting worse with each record.

[Mega-Tallica]

Please tell me, how is this any "cheesier" than any other DT song.

It burns deep down inside of me
We have ourselves to blame
Not questioning, accepted as the truth

Debate this fight it's just cause
The facts do not supports theirs
To liberate a people
And rid them of tyrant rule

Is it time to make a change
Are we closer than before
Can we help them break away
Are we profiting from war
It's time to make a change

There are many more songs from DT that are plenty "cheesier" than that.

It's just my opinion, your opinion is different than mine, what else do you want me to say?

[Mega-Tallica]

Look up some of his Instructional Vids on Youtube.

:eek: He speaks!! :p

[voodoo618]

It's just my opinion, your opinion is different than mine, what else do you want me to say?

Cheesy is like Dragonforce or Journey.

[Wiiman95]

John Petrucci - I once thought the same, but have since found out that he's just like all the other shred guitar guys (Rusty Cooley, Paul Gilbert, Yngwie Malmsteen, etc.)


I've listened to those guys to, but Petrucci's is the only one I can tolerate listening to. THe other are mostly SHREDSHREDSHRED MELODIC PART SHREDSHREDSHREDSHRED F*KING CRAZY SOLO SHREDSHREDSHRED OUTRO.

[Mega-Tallica]

Cheesy is like Dragonforce or Journey.

I disagree about Journey


I've listened to those guys to, but Petrucci's is the only one I can tolerate listening to. THe other are mostly SHREDSHREDSHRED MELODIC PART SHREDSHREDSHREDSHRED F*KING CRAZY SOLO SHREDSHREDSHRED OUTRO.

Yngwie has some awesome tunes like "Disciples Of Hell", "Crying", and "I'll See The Light Tonight" that have a nice blend of melody and shred, Rusty Cooley also has a very melodic side, he just doesn't show it much. JP seems like a robot at times, aside from Suspended Animation, he doesn't venture far from what he's comfortable with within DT's musical range. Almost like, he has the same formula and follows it on every record. I still love JP's work regardless.

[voodoo618]

I disagree about Journey

Yeah, ok. :rolleyes:

[Mega-Tallica]

Yeah, ok. :rolleyes:

If you don't like Journey, your opinion no longer matters to me.:rolleyes:

[voodoo618]

If you don't like Journey, your opinion no longer matters to me.:rolleyes:

I said was that their lyrics are cheesy.

Which they are.

[Wiiman95]

I said was that their lyrics are cheesy.

Which they are.

True. No denying that.
Hold up. Me agreeing with Voodoo? Damn. I am going crazy being snowed all week. :eek:

[Mega-Tallica]

True. No denying that.
Hold up. Me agreeing with Voodoo? Damn. I am going crazy being snowed all week. :eek:

True 'dat:p

[Wiiman95]

I wnet outside earlier and had a Mini-snowball fight with my sister. She threw a rock at me, and knocked me out for about an hour. Yep. Gotta love the outdoors.

[Mega-Tallica]

I wnet outside earlier and had a Mini-snowball fight with my sister. She threw a rock at me, and knocked me out for about an hour. Yep. Gotta love the outdoors.

lolwut?:p

[Wiiman95]

lolwut?:p

Randomness = Epicness

You'll get used to it soon.

[killer_roach]

Prophets Of War is what happens when they let James write the lyrics.

The weakest track on a weak album.

I think there's a reason why nothing on Black Clouds & Silver Linings had LaBrie's name in the credits... Prophets of War is more than likely the reason for it.

(I could only hope it's because Portnoy's trying to replace him, but I haven't heard anything on that front other than rumors)

[Mega-Tallica]

Randomness = Epicness

You'll get used to it soon.

I guess I have to...


I think there's a reason why nothing on Black Clouds & Silver Linings had LaBrie's name in the credits... Prophets of War is more than likely the reason for it.

(I could only hope it's because Portnoy's trying to replace him, but I haven't heard anything on that front other than rumors)

Never heard that rumor, but if DT were to toss James, that'll be huge news. DT would be a lot better if they had capable singer to go along with their music.

[vitamins999]

MP has said many many many times that he'd never even think about replacing James. His voice is a signature to the DT sound.

Shame really. The man hasn't been a particular good singer for over a decade now. He was incredible on Images and Words, Awake, Falling into Infinity and Scenes From A Memory, but nowadays he's just a shadow of his former singing self. But I guess age does that to you.

[voodoo618]

He was incredible on Images and Words, Awake, Falling into Infinity and Scenes From A Memory, but nowadays he's just a shadow of his former singing self. But I guess age does that to you.

Or food poisoning...

[Shadow2222]

Wow, I completely disagree. James is still my favorite singer of all time. Is he the best? No, not by a long shot. But he has a style and range that makes him perfectly fit DT. BTW, you guys do realize that only the lyrics of Prophets of War were written by James, and that the music was written by MP and JP, right? Because, to be perfectly frank, The Count of Tuscany has much worse lyrics, written by John Petrucci. I still love the song though as I personally don't care about lyrics.

[vitamins999]

Kevin Moore and John Myung were always the best lyricists for the band. JP and MP did write some great lyrics on the earlier stuff, after FII the lyrics just got kind of bland and as subtle as Commando.

I love DT - they're my favourite band, but the lyrics have always been the worst part, by far. As I said, there are songs off I&W and Awake which have fantastic lyrics, but that's because of KM and JM (like Wait For Sleep, Learning to Live, Lifting Shadows off a Dream, Space Dye Vest). After KM left and JM was told to not write lyrics anymore unless he came up with a melody as well (he never does), they've certainly suffered.

[Mega-Tallica]

Wow, I completely disagree. James is still my favorite singer of all time. Is he the best? No, not by a long shot. But he has a style and range that makes him perfectly fit DT. BTW, you guys do realize that only the lyrics of Prophets of War were written by James, and that the music was written by MP and JP, right? Because, to be perfectly frank, The Count of Tuscany has much worse lyrics, written by John Petrucci. I still love the song though as I personally don't care about lyrics.

The Count Of Tuscany is badass, lyrics or not, the music itself makes it good. Prophets Of War....not so much...

James' voice has been blown out since about SDOIT onward. His style is not very unique and range? Not anymore at least...

[Setsu102]

Can I have Dream Theater in my Rock Band Network now plz?

[sneakypanda]

I want news on this situation

[Sento Kaiba]

I want news on this situation

I think everyone does

[Starfleet_Rambo]

Can I have Dream Theater in my Rock Band Network now plz?


I want news on this situation


I think everyone does

Fo rizzle mah nizzles!!

[JoshVanHalen87]

:eek: me wants teh dream theater nao

[crimsonking58]

This would be the best thing that has happened to rock band in a very long time for both fans of the band and hardcore players. This might get me to start playing guitar again.

[MistressD]

So, still no new updates on this eh? Rats; hopefully they'll have at least one song available when the Rock Band Network launches, whenever that will be...

[GeneralGilliam]

Well, this probably isn't going to happen. Just because 1 member is interested, doesn't mean everyone else will be, including the manager, record label ect...

[Mega-Tallica]

Well, this probably isn't going to happen. Just because 1 member is interested, doesn't mean everyone else will be, including the manager, record label ect...

In case you haven't noticed...whatever Mike Portnoy wants, usually happens. He's the engine that moves Dream Theater.