View Full Version : Sgt. Pepper's Dreamscapes Discussion
TheBeatleHead
10-23-2009, 03:12 PM
So, throw your ideas in here. =p Remember Harmonix's main "rule" with dreamscapes: they can't be literal interpretations of the lyrics.
Fixing a Hole: No idea.
She's Leaving Home: I guess they don't show any of them playing any instruments (because they don't play any at all in this song). But that's as far as I can get.
Being for The Benefit of Mr. Kite: Although the circus could be considered "too literal", I'd love to see something like it.
When I'm Sixty-Four: I'm 100% sure that "When I'm Sixty-Four" will appear in the background when Paul sings that part.
Lovely Rita: Good question. Another one that I have no idea.
Within You Without You: I guess they'll recycle most of the WYWY/TNK dreamscape.
Sgt Pepper Reprise: Sequel to the SPLHCB/WLHFMF dreamscape. Shows them playing on the same venue, except at night (maybe landing somewhere before the songs starts?).
A Day In The Life: My idea would be the Beatles walking in a deserted London. Or walking in a crowded London while not being noticed by any passerby. But I don't think that's possible with DLC.
LuigiHann
10-23-2009, 03:26 PM
One thing I'm curious about with Within You Without You... in the middle section of the mashup version on-disk, Ringo vanishes completely during the tabla parts. So I wonder if the full version is going to actually animate him playing the tabla parts on a standard drum kit, or if they'll just hide him again. It'll be a shame if he's hidden for the whole song, since he was so cool and scary-looking in that dreamscape.
Teh_Jakester
10-23-2009, 03:29 PM
When I'm Sixty-Four:
Paul starts singing, then the camera flashes to him sitting in his rocking chair, reconciling his life while his lady sells their posessions to buy food for him
DookieMan
10-23-2009, 03:33 PM
One thing I'm curious about with Within You Without You... in the middle section of the mashup version on-disk, Ringo vanishes completely during the tabla parts. So I wonder if the full version is going to actually animate him playing the tabla parts on a standard drum kit, or if they'll just hide him again. It'll be a shame if he's hidden for the whole song, since he was so cool and scary-looking in that dreamscape.
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised. But actually playing those percussion instruments will be awesome.
sonicnerd23
10-23-2009, 03:53 PM
For the Sgt. Pepper reprise, I'd imagine the gazebo landing back in the park area. Then, after they're finished and the clapping stops, it'll transition into the A Day in the Life dreamscape by showing the band in the gazebo after the show and John strumming an acoustic guitar. Then, it'd cut to the band in the studio when John sings "I read the news today, oh boy." From there on, it'd be just them in the studio until the first crescendo, where there will be wild colors everywhere. After that, it'll cut to a combination of the music halls/stages in the dreamscapes to Hello Goodbye and Polythene Pam/She Came in Through the Bathroom Window where the band will play Paul's section in the song with Paul at the piano. Then after "Somebody spoke and I went into a dream," it'll cut to a sort of psychedelic background for Johns ahhhh's. Then back to the studio for the remainder of the song until the crescendo, where the wild colors repeat. Next, the screen goes black after the crescendo stops, but then it'll cut to show Ringo hit the final piano chord and the screen will then fade out.
bobellis75
10-23-2009, 04:32 PM
A day in the life...I think it could just cut from scene to scene...that song paints such vivid pictures in my opinion, it could be done really cool....
Show John sitting and drinking a coffee or tea while reading the paper...then zoom in on the article to where "I saw the photograph"....show a b&w photo of a car, then have it transition to a color scene, where the car sits at a green light (because he hadn't notice that the light had changed) and have a lot of people standing around staring (in shock).
Next, cut to the Beatles in a movie theater watching a film today oh boy....etc....
Then we jumpt to Paul sleeping, an alarm clock wakes him, he jumps out of bed, we see him getting ready, combing his hair...goes downstairs grabs a cup, looking up he noticed he was late...have him running out the door, grab his coat, hat and make the bus in seconds flat. Then somebody spoke and he went into a dream - at this point, have a crazy dreamscape with all four beatles, and then we snap back to reality to the opening scene (as we come back to "I read the news today oh boy"). Then have the paper fill with holes and zoom in and have the Beatles walking around counting the holes....then maybe have them fall into holes, which takes them back to the crazy dreamscape until the song ends......
bobellis75
10-23-2009, 04:38 PM
Lovely Rita - I think it'd be cool to have the song playing while Rita the meter maid is out writing tickets...and jump from scene to scene of each Beatle trying to ask her out, etc...and all of them getting shot down by Rita. Maybe have it start off with her writing Paul a ticket, and he tries to flirt with her, then cut to each Beatle talking their way out of a ticket (or trying anyway)...could be a funny dreamscape.
MostSpartan14
10-23-2009, 04:42 PM
A day in the life...I think it could just cut from scene to scene...that song paints such vivid pictures in my opinion, it could be done really cool....
Show John sitting and drinking a coffee or tea while reading the paper...then zoom in on the article to where "I saw the photograph"....show a b&w photo of a car, then have it transition to a color scene, where the car sits at a green light (because he hadn't notice that the light had changed) and have a lot of people standing around staring (in shock).
Next, cut to the Beatles in a movie theater watching a film today oh boy....etc....
Then we jumpt to Paul sleeping, an alarm clock wakes him, he jumps out of bed, we see him getting ready, combing his hair...goes downstairs grabs a cup, looking up he noticed he was late...have him running out the door, grab his coat, hat and make the bus in seconds flat. Then somebody spoke and he went into a dream - at this point, have a crazy dreamscape with all four beatles, and then we snap back to reality to the opening scene (as we come back to "I read the news today oh boy"). Then have the paper fill with holes and zoom in and have the Beatles walking around counting the holes....then maybe have them fall into holes, which takes them back to the crazy dreamscape until the song ends......
Lovely Rita - I think it'd be cool to have the song playing while Rita the meter maid is out writing tickets...and jump from scene to scene of each Beatle trying to ask her out, etc...and all of them getting shot down by Rita. Maybe have it start off with her writing Paul a ticket, and he tries to flirt with her, then cut to each Beatle talking their way out of a ticket (or trying anyway)...could be a funny dreamscape.
These dreamscapes are WAYYYYY to literal. I definitely wouldn't enjoy them. It's better when they are more obscure.
bjordan42
10-23-2009, 04:43 PM
I really hope they do a circus dreamscape for "Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kite", even though, like the OP said, it would be too literal. It would make the dreamscape for BFBOMK more unique instead of their default meddow dreamscapes they use on alot of songs. In fact, I think they'll make "She's Leaving Home" like a similar dreamscape to "Good Morning, Good Morning", I just can't put my finger on why. "Within You, Without You" is probably going to be the same as on the disc, with only minor differences. And I bet Lovely Rita would be another one of their trippier dreamscapes (I mean, it's Sgt. Pepper... half the songs were made to be trippy dreamscapes!). Other than that I really can't speculate on the intricate details without being too literal, or using ideas from their past dreamscapes. Whatever their up to, it should be interesting.
All in all, I only hope they put as much effort in the dreamscapes of Sgt. Pepper, as they did with Abbey Road. If they do, I'll be one happy bunny. :D
These dreamscapes are WAYYYYY to literal. I definitely wouldn't enjoy them. It's better when they are more obscure.
Yeah I agree. Just think of what "Maxwell's Silver Hammer'' would be like if they were into taking songs literally. haha
bobellis75
10-23-2009, 04:48 PM
Yeah I know they are literal...but I think those songs both just really have pretty strong visuals built into them. That's all I'm saying.
MostSpartan14
10-23-2009, 04:49 PM
In fact, I think they'll make "She's Leaving Home" like a similar dreamscape to "Good Morning, Good Morning", I just can't put my finger on why.
Really? Me too! In fact, that's how I envisioned the dreamscape even before the game came out and we saw the GM,GM dreamscape. For some reason, it just seems to fit the song.
General Lein979
10-23-2009, 04:53 PM
I could see day in life and the reprise in this thing at around 1 minute in at this video http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=555313769721
Mr kite will recycle getting better but making it more circusy most likely. With circus type images on the wall.
Within You Without You full in studio with maybe some bluring effects.
DookieMan
10-23-2009, 04:56 PM
Honestly, I don't think having Mr Kite at a circus would be all too literal. I mean, Yellow Submarine had a yellow submarine. If it was at a circus, it's not like it would have to literally depict every single thing said. I mean, A Day in The Life and Lovely Rita ideas are way too literal because they aren't even dreamscapes, they're like music videos. Simply having it at a circus wouldn't be too literal at all.
Teh_Jakester
10-23-2009, 04:58 PM
I mean, Yellow Submarine had a yellow submarine.
The Yellow Submarine dreamscape totally should have been in the hot air balloon.
I mean, after the singer sings his song he, wait for it, sings ANOTHER song!
TheBeatleHead
10-23-2009, 07:29 PM
Honestly, I don't think having Mr Kite at a circus would be all too literal. I mean, Yellow Submarine had a yellow submarine. If it was at a circus, it's not like it would have to literally depict every single thing said. I mean, A Day in The Life and Lovely Rita ideas are way too literal because they aren't even dreamscapes, they're like music videos. Simply having it at a circus wouldn't be too literal at all.
But fans would've torched Harmonix's studios if they hadn't put the Yellow Submarine.
Well, I do hope they put the circus in Mr. Kite.
BTW, has anyone noticed that in the intro, you can see a poster written: "Come Together for the Benefit of Mr. Kite"? =3
HerSilverHammer
10-23-2009, 07:39 PM
For She's Leaving Home, I see The Beatles appearing as black and white contour versions of themselves, moving slowly around a new backdrop, a house on a hill on a lightly rainy day. Not a full on hill, but a small hill with more character than a plain neighbor. They watch on, performing, but there's no one there. Footsteps are made, and a shape is made in the rain implying there is someone there, but there's nothing there at all.
gamegyro56
10-23-2009, 10:37 PM
There will probably only be either fields like in Good Morning Good Morning/Dear Prudence/You Never Give Me Your Money/Here Comes The Sun, the gazebo/hot air balloon area, or normal psychedelic dreamscapes. There aren't going to be any circuses or newspapers or photographs or other things.
LuigiHann
10-23-2009, 10:52 PM
I do wonder if they could re-purpose the Pepperland gazebo area for Mr Kite, with some simple texture/hue swaps, but that might be tacky.
instantdeath999
10-23-2009, 11:34 PM
I don't think a circus is too literal, considering in Yellow Submarine we got an actual yellow submarine.
robo_ninja
10-23-2009, 11:56 PM
Fixing a Hole: stage like in Getting Better
She's Leaving Home: flower field
Being for The Benefit of Mr. Kite: I'm guessing a super trippy background with lots of colors
When I'm Sixty-Four: White background like in Maxwell and Birthday and possibly When I'm Sixty Four popping up
Lovely Rita: Similar to dreamscape of Good Morning Good Morning with the clouds moving fast
Within You Without You: maybe similar to the Because dreamscape
Sgt Pepper Reprise:SPLHCB/WLHFMF at night
A Day In The Life: Damn i hope they saved a good dreamscape for this on disc.
gamegyro56
10-24-2009, 12:39 AM
Fixing a Hole: stage like in Getting Better
She's Leaving Home: flower field
Being for The Benefit of Mr. Kite: I'm guessing a super trippy background with lots of colors
When I'm Sixty-Four: White background like in Maxwell and Birthday and possibly When I'm Sixty Four popping up
Lovely Rita: Similar to dreamscape of Good Morning Good Morning with the clouds moving fast
Within You Without You: maybe similar to the Because dreamscape
Sgt Pepper Reprise:SPLHCB/WLHFMF at night
A Day In The Life: Damn i hope they saved a good dreamscape for this on disc.
this. except WYWY will also include things from the love version.
Marvelfan13
10-24-2009, 12:39 AM
Alright, first off, WYWY should take place on a modified Harrison Hill or a meadow. Everytime I hear that song I think of a peaceful meadow in india, not an acid trip like WYWY/TNK. Secondly, SPLHCB reprise should take place at the same bandstand that SPLHCB took place in but at night. SLH should be dark like Because, because the song is already dark.
TheBeatleHead
10-24-2009, 06:46 AM
this. except WYWY will also include things from the love version.
This, except WYWY will be just like the love version dreamscape. =p
fuselage321
10-24-2009, 07:21 AM
I think that fixing a hole will be color change like good morning good morning was when they are not in a field. Then, twards the end, after the guitar solo, it switches to the well, i forget.
I had it all planned out, but now i forget.
Rockymin
10-24-2009, 10:16 AM
Honestly, I don't think having Mr Kite at a circus would be all too literal. I mean, Yellow Submarine had a yellow submarine. If it was at a circus, it's not like it would have to literally depict every single thing said. I mean, A Day in The Life and Lovely Rita ideas are way too literal because they aren't even dreamscapes, they're like music videos. Simply having it at a circus wouldn't be too literal at all.
Well, since Mr. Kite was inspired by a real 19th century circus poster that John had bought, it probably could be considered too literal.
Here's the poster: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MrKitePoster.jpg
fuselage321
10-24-2009, 10:39 AM
Ive never seen that poster before Rockymin, thanks for the link...
Rockymin
10-24-2009, 03:11 PM
Ive never seen that poster before Rockymin, thanks for the link...
You're very welcome. I love that poster, reading through it, you can see all the stuff mentioned in the song. Though its clear John changed some stuff LOL :).
l-o-t
10-24-2009, 04:46 PM
I think a coloured version of the Because dreamscape could work for Mr. Kite.
Also, the Day in the Life dreamscape ought to have the Elephino(Rhinophant?) incorporated somehow.
DookieMan
10-24-2009, 04:53 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if a Day In the Life already has a brand new dreamscape on disc, and maybe even for some of the other songs not announced yet. It is definitely one of those major songs that are definitely deserving of it.
TheBeatleHead
10-24-2009, 05:06 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if a Day In the Life already has a brand new dreamscape on disc, and maybe even for some of the other songs not announced yet. It is definitely one of those major songs that are definitely deserving of it.
But wouldn't people know about it when tinkering with the game's data? I'm sure someone's tried it already.
TheBeatleHead
10-25-2009, 11:33 AM
I edited the title so Rubber Soul dreamscapes can be discussed as well.
However, the main topic of discussion is if Rubber Soul will get dreamscapes at all. I think Norwegian Wood and In My will get them.
I also wished Nowhere Man got one, but since it was played in Budokan(and other live concerts) if I'm not mistaken, I doubt it.
My idea for In My Life would be that they start playing in the studio, and then they're transferred to an empty Cavern Club, in black and white, then they go to the Ed Sulivan Show, Shea Stadium and Budokan. Too literal, maybe?
juan29zapata
10-25-2009, 02:00 PM
But wouldn't people know about it when tinkering with the game's data? I'm sure someone's tried it already.
No, every thing in the disc is encrypted, or at least the music tracks. Because of Apple's fears that it would fall in the hands of people who would use it illegally. Except for the fact that the piracy has gotten the data from the disc (somehow), but I haven't really heard about anybody discovering dreamscapes' data, after all they didn't discover Maxwell Silver Hammer dreamscape's data.
TheBeatleHead
10-25-2009, 03:14 PM
No, every thing in the disc is encrypted, or at least the music tracks. Because of Apple's fears that it would fall in the hands of people who would use it illegally. Except for the fact that the piracy has gotten the data from the disc (somehow), but I haven't really heard about anybody discovering dreamscapes' data, after all they didn't discover Maxwell Silver Hammer dreamscape's data.
Hmm... I see. Thanks for the info.
LimaoxD
10-27-2009, 04:09 PM
Fixing a Hole - In the studio with color changing to green and other colors, maybe blue.
Being for The Benefit of Mr. Kite: In studio with Circus background
When I'm Sixty-Four: I wish that the counter from 0 to 64 appears, like in yellow submarine movie.
Lovely Rita: Maybe it could be on Dear Prudence's fields
Within You Without You: Even more colorful than WYWY/TNK
Sgt Pepper Reprise: I would like to see the Beatles in the Sgt Peppers dreamscape, but at night and with different things on the background.
A Day In The Life: IF they decide to make a medley, they would back to the studio after reprise and i think the song would be almost all black and white
Sorry for my english, i'm brazilian :)
rad5brandon
10-27-2009, 04:19 PM
No, every thing in the disc is encrypted, or at least the music tracks. Because of Apple's fears that it would fall in the hands of people who would use it illegally. Except for the fact that the piracy has gotten the data from the disc (somehow), but I haven't really heard about anybody discovering dreamscapes' data, after all they didn't discover Maxwell Silver Hammer dreamscape's data.
What data did they get from it? Because this is dangerous
Taibak
10-28-2009, 10:18 AM
Well, if it were me....
Fixing a Hole: I'm thinking the meadow dreamscape, starting out in either black and white or that dark blue from While My Guitar Gently Weeps and gradually fading to color as the song goes on.
She's Leaving Home: The stage set from Hello Goodbye, only more dreary. Definitely flash the lyrics for John's backing vocals.
Being for The Benefit of Mr. Kite: Go to town on this one. I might use the stage set as well here only exploding with color, shifting every time the music changes during the harmonium bits. Maybe mix in some of the kaleidoscope effects from Within You Without You/Tomorrow Never Knows
When I'm Sixty-Four: The bandstand, only less psychedelic and more 1920's.
Lovely Rita: Shame they don't have a streetscape for this one. I'd actually keep this one in the studio and go as playful as possible with the colors.
Within You Without You: Well, they could go abstract, but hopefully the background will reflect more classical Indian patterns rather than the randomness of the Love version.
Sgt Pepper Reprise: The balloon/gazebo landing and then change backgrounds with A Day in the Life
A Day In The Life: REALLY choreograph this one. The dreamscape should gradually fade from the bandstand with the reprise and back to the studio when this starts. Then throughout John's verses fade to something more abstract. After the orchestral crescendo, fade to white and transition back to the studio when the alarm clock goes off and then fade to something very realistic (if they can do a streetscape, use it, if not stay in the studio or use the stage) for Paul's bits. Go back to a dreamy kaleidoscopic effect after 'went into a dream,' getting more abstract as the music builds. Settle back into something dreamy for John's verse and get more abstract again at the second orchestral bit. It should be all white once the final chord plays, then gradually fade back to the studio as it dies down.
Mushroom
10-28-2009, 10:33 AM
I agree, there should be a streetscape somewhere they can use, at times, Sgt Peppers is a very urban album.
Maybe they could repurpose the ground level from the rooftop gig, where the fans were?
ArothmanMusic
10-28-2009, 12:25 PM
Fixing a Hole - Maybe the 'Hello Goodbye' "scenery" again but with a more subdued wall pattern... blues and stuff... with some rain effects dripping down the 'camera'.
Being for The Benefit of Mr. Kite - Lots of wild colors, stripes, paisleys and distortions, and Lennon with a megaphone shouting from the top of a big tent.
When I'm Sixty-Four - something very Sesame Street-ish, with big numbers and lots of words popping out of Paul's mouth.
Lovely Rita - Studio kind of thing like 'Maxwell'
Within You Without You - less trippy than the mashup version, with more focus on George and less of the other Beatles (since they don't play this song at all)
Sgt Pepper Reprise - same dreamscape as the main version, but maybe different lighting... more like a rock concert and less like a bandstand performance
A Day In The Life - I imagine this will be somewhat like 'While My Guitar Gently Weeps', with a focus on John and his acoustic guitar to start, then breaking into a dreamscape (would be cool if it was somewhat representational of London, like the ending of 'The End'), and then a more straightforward studio bit for Paul's middle section, then going all freaky and colorful for the orchestra buildup returning to John again, but with more effects.
I dunno... I guess this is why they pay real artists to come up with this stuff :D
gamegyro56
10-28-2009, 11:37 PM
I agree, there should be a streetscape somewhere they can use, at times, Sgt Peppers is a very urban album.
Maybe they could repurpose the ground level from the rooftop gig, where the fans were?
Sgt Pepper's was designed to be about life in a town. Sgt Peppers, Fixing a hole, she's leaving home, being for the benefit of mr kite, lovely rita, a day in the life, strawberry fields forever, penny lane. The whole album could be a movie about a town, where different people sing and experience what the songs are about.
TheBeatleHead
10-29-2009, 12:12 PM
Sgt Pepper's was designed to be about life in a town. Sgt Peppers, Fixing a hole, she's leaving home, being for the benefit of mr kite, lovely rita, a day in the life, strawberry fields forever, penny lane. The whole album could be a movie about a town, where different people sing and experience what the songs are about.
When I'm 64, Getting Better and WALHFMF fit too.
l-o-t
10-29-2009, 02:18 PM
Well, if it were me....
Lovely Rita: Shame they don't have a streetscape for this one...
They do. Apple corps Rooftop venue has various shots of street life. Would it be a big stretch for them to add some psychedelic colours and the Beatles to it?
biocookies
10-29-2009, 03:33 PM
Fixing a Hole I feel will be something like While Guitar Gently Weeps, and I'd like to see something like a circus for Mr. Kite. I think a night time Sgt. Peppers venue would be very cool. I really can't guess. I can't wait till it is released! I wonder how much it is going to cost...
sonicnerd23
10-29-2009, 04:05 PM
No one commented on my Sgt Pepper Reprise/A Day In the Life dreamscape idea. :(
TheBeatleHead
10-29-2009, 04:15 PM
No one commented on my Sgt Pepper Reprise/A Day In the Life dreamscape idea. :(
Now now, no need to get needy.
For the Sgt. Pepper reprise, I'd imagine the gazebo landing back in the park area. Then, after they're finished and the clapping stops, it'll transition into the A Day in the Life dreamscape by showing the band in the gazebo after the show and John strumming an acoustic guitar. Then, it'd cut to the band in the studio when John sings "I read the news today, oh boy." From there on, it'd be just them in the studio until the first crescendo, where there will be wild colors everywhere. After that, it'll cut to a combination of the music halls/stages in the dreamscapes to Hello Goodbye and Polythene Pam/She Came in Through the Bathroom Window where the band will play Paul's section in the song with Paul at the piano. Then after "Somebody spoke and I went into a dream," it'll cut to a sort of psychedelic background for Johns ahhhh's. Then back to the studio for the remainder of the song until the crescendo, where the wild colors repeat. Next, the screen goes black after the crescendo stops, but then it'll cut to show Ringo hit the final piano chord and the screen will then fade out.
I actually like your idea. Especially the music hall/stages for Paul's part.
Tego1in
10-29-2009, 08:15 PM
Fixing a Hole:
Dark like Oh! Darling but in a more confined space.
When I'm Sixty Four:
Somehow put Paul in a chair.
Lovely Rita:
Probably another field looking one.
gamegyro56
10-29-2009, 10:51 PM
When I'm 64, Getting Better and WALHFMF fit too.
If you use your imagination, everything fits :p
TheBeatleHead
10-30-2009, 12:40 PM
If you use your imagination, everything fits :p
Good point.
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