DJ Hero 2 already in the works

[playmike]

that didn't take long

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/activision-recruiting-talent-for-dj-hero-sequels

[jonoo24]

brb i have to go act shocked

[Jglaubman]

My balls... are in so much pain....

[OzzyOzrock]

Default answer: "I'm not surprised."

[toymachineSH]

old

and good- there is a lot of things to be improved on and Q-Bert in the game = win

[gosox333]

What a twist!

[R33DH4M]

they need to get a real turntable company to make the turntable this time so we can actually do some of the harder stuff in the game.

[Wiiman95]

Well this is Neversoft we're talking about. Chances are DJ Hero 3 Will be out by Christmas

[Blackjack041277]

Hey, give them a little credit. They did at least wait until the first had been out for a couple of days before beginning on the second. :p

[R33DH4M]

Well this is Neversoft we're talking about. Chances are DJ Hero 3 Will be out by Christmas

It's not Neversoft though, it's FreeStyleGames.

[R33DH4M]

Well this is Neversoft we're talking about. Chances are DJ Hero 3 Will be out by Christmas

It's not Neversoft though, it's FreeStyleGames.


Hey, give them a little credit. They did at least wait until the first had been out for a couple of days before beginning on the second. :p

Actually they started making 2 in September.

[Sarge51]

Hey, give them a little credit. They did at least wait until the first had been out for a couple of days before beginning on the second. :p

Oh wait, the first one is out?


/shows how much I care

[ThatAuthoringGroup]

It just seems odd that they would start making a sequel to a game before the numbers came in.

I mean...what if it doesn't sell(not saying it will or won')?

How much money would they lose on the development of a sequel if no one buys the first one?


Companies are such a strange lot, that the likes of us mortal men will never fathom their daily comings and goings.

[moose39]

This is stupid. With DLC priced at $2.99 and the steep learning curve, I'm REALLY truly passing on this.

[Jordanfre]

This is stupid. With DLC priced at $2.99 and the steep learning curve, I'm REALLY truly passing on this.

$2.99? What a rip. Its not like I would buy any dlc in that game even if it were $.99 anyway. Not my kind of music.

[Kariodude]

So far it seems like it only comes in packs. You get two songs for 6 bucks.

Yes, I know that each song is a mashup of two songs, but I refuse to admit that you get 4 songs for 6 bucks. It's two playable mixes in game for 6 bucks regardless of how many songs it took to make those tracks.

[kiggidykev]

Not surprised. How else are they going to justify to the consumer that they need a SECOND turntable controller :p

As for the DLC costing 3 bucks a song, part of me laughs and goes "I'll never buy that! Too expensive!", but also I understand the cost involved to make such a song and the double licensing fee.

[murph]

of course. NOBODY is going to release a high priced accessory and only one game for it. especially the masters of the sequel, Activision.

you can count on Tony Hawk Ride 2 being worked on too.

[CountWaesche]

I am in Germany, and there are piles of this thing sitting around with no one buying them.

[Zidane]

I'm not surprised, but if Activision believes in the product, I hope they would at least give part 2 a longer development cycle for much more improvement.

Remember how amazing GH2 was to GH1? (Holy crap! We can play Bass!) I just hope they put it to good use.

[Rock_Band_Over]

Not surprised. How else are they going to justify to the consumer that they need a SECOND turntable controller :p

As for the DLC costing 3 bucks a song, part of me laughs and goes "I'll never buy that! Too expensive!", but also I understand the cost involved to make such a song and the double licensing fee.

One of the achievements/trophies is to play a 2 player game locally (not online, so it requires 2 Turntable controllers under one roof). A couple others specify hitting a XXX note streak using "DJ Hero Turntable Controllers" (as if there's any other kind right now). Seems pretty unwise to put out these, as it (rightfully) invites obvious criticism of the apparent motivation behind it.

Still, I hope they don't abandon the DJ Hero anytime soon despite the poor sales so far... a lot of the tracks are great, and I think DJ Hero benefits from (the big) artists being really supportive and wanting in (so would I for a share of $3 a track!).

[gmarsh]

There shouldn't have been a first one.

[Xzyliac]

With all due respect you're a fool if you didn't expect this to be a franchise. And if you're gonna bash them for making it a franchise but support Rock Band you're a hypocrite.

DJ Hero is fantastic. Another win for this surprisingly decent year of Hero games. Too bad we end the year with the craptacular Guitar Hero: Van Halen.

[dady5000]

that didn't take long

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/activision-recruiting-talent-for-dj-hero-sequels

Really? I'm sure RB3 was being planned before RB2 was finished. So no surprise.

[DethTung]

that didn't take long

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/activision-recruiting-talent-for-dj-hero-sequels

I don't think this means Activision's announced DJ Hero Part Dos quite yet. For all we know, they might be working on DLC or turntable implementation into GH.

[mjlambert1]

NAW!!!! Really?

[Billy-93]

Jesus christ

Is it even out yet?

HAHA good news for fans of it I suppose

[Zeleii]

So the second Activision does this it's wrong doing but god forbid anyone get onto any other company that does this.

Media Molecule stated 2 days after LittleBigPlanet release they had been working on LittleBigPlanet 2 for about a month already. So please give it a rest

[Alright_Computer]

Video games usually have at least 1-2 years of development time. Therefore, it's pretty logical to assume that most sequels are started before the game is even released, especially successful video games. It's not a big deal...

[cokecan]

Are you guys serious, and have you even tried it?

DJ Hero is actually fun! It is a new twist to this fad we call rhythm games!

I own **** loads of RB DLC and love the franchise, but other than offering new music the engine is stale!

I also own TB:RB and the content that goes along with it.

Just because this game has a high price tag and is published by Activision doesn't mean it isn't worth playing.

Try it for yourself before smashing it.

[R33DH4M]

Are you guys serious, and have you even tried it?

DJ Hero is actually fun! It is a new twist to this fad we call rhythm games!

I own **** loads of RB DLC and love the franchise, but other than offering new music the engine is stale!

I also own TB:RB and the content that goes along with it.

Just because this game has a high price tag and is published by Activision doesn't mean it isn't worth playing.

Try it for yourself before smashing it.

Yea the game is something different and that's why it's awesome. Not the same old boring ass plastic guitar bull**** that has been done all before.

[DeadPhoenix223]

wow. fail.

[Jglaubman]

Are you guys serious, and have you even tried it?

DJ Hero is actually fun! It is a new twist to this fad we call rhythm games!

I own **** loads of RB DLC and love the franchise, but other than offering new music the engine is stale!

I also own TB:RB and the content that goes along with it.

Just because this game has a high price tag and is published by Activision doesn't mean it isn't worth playing.

Try it for yourself before smashing it.

I have not tried it, and I can guarantee you, I will hate it. Why? The set list. This is, far and away, the worst music game set list of all time. Mostly because there is very little music on it.

[toymachineSH]

I have not tried it, and I can guarantee you, I will hate it. Why? The set list. This is, far and away, the worst music game set list of all time. Mostly because there is very little music on it.



How do you get such reliable Internet service from your cave?

[instantdeath999]

To be perfectly honest, Marvin Gaye is the most "music" I need :)

I know very little about the game, though... I might research it a bit, and possibly get it a little down the line.

[Xzyliac]

I have not tried it, and I can guarantee you, I will hate it. Why? The set list. This is, far and away, the worst music game set list of all time. Mostly because there is very little music on it.

There is very little "music"? The "worst" setlist? Haha, it's funny. I forgot your opinion was the end all, be all.

Why is it people who this game was clearly not made for parade around prophesying it's end? Get over yourselves and go play Rock Band. The music game genre is big enough for all of us.

[Zeleii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lvd29kmnNa4

[Icarus599]

Wow... I'm actually starting to lose faith.

[Zeleii]

Wow... I'm actually starting to lose faith.
You're starting to lose faith in a company that does something every other god damn company does?
Bias much?

[CyanFunk]

As long as there's a Chuck Berry vs. Mos Def mix, I'm good


I have not tried it, and I can guarantee you, I will hate it. Why? The set list. This is, far and away, the worst music game set list of all time. Mostly because there is very little music on it.

Please explain this completely ******ed statement

[Zeleii]

I have not tried it, and I can guarantee you, I will hate it. Why? The set list. This is, far and away, the worst music game set list of all time. Mostly because there is very little music on it.
Wow, fanboy of Rock much? I suppose you also don't consider classical music? or Techno? or Trance? or Ambience?

Face it, rap is music, and there IS good rap so please GTFO

[hawkofva]

Oh gawd, he don't like teh same muziks as me! INTERWEB, ATAX!

I'm so cool being trendy and **** getting mad at people who disagree with me. :cool:

[Xzyliac]

Oh gawd, he don't like teh same muziks as me! INTERWEB, ATAX!

I'm so cool being trendy and **** getting mad at people who disagree with me. :cool:

It all started with Cain and Abel bro. They did it first. Everyone else is a poser.

[CyanFunk]

Naw, Cain and Abel were poseurs too. Everyone knows it all started with God and Lucifer

[DeadManDrumming]

"In the works" doesn't actually mean much. I am sure I heard Half life 2 was "In the works" not even a year after Half Life 1 (Though I am not 100% positive on that.

But will they sacrifice time and money to fine tune the game or rush to the doors to meet a deadline with a "wonky" product (GH:WT to me was that kind of rush) I bet they might have for those door.

[Jglaubman]

Wow, fanboy of Rock much? I suppose you also don't consider classical music? or Techno? or Trance? or Ambience?

Face it, rap is music, and there IS good rap so please GTFO

If people are playing instruments, it's music. Rap (IMO!!!!!) is not music.

Also, the fact that good songs sometimes get re-mixed as a rap song makes me hate rap even more.

[Zeleii]

If people are playing instruments, it's music. Rap (IMO!!!!!) is not music.

Also, the fact that good songs sometimes get re-mixed as a rap song makes me hate rap even more.
SO electronic music made through computers isn't music either?

Just an FYI vocal chords are an instrument, they're using them aren't they? Music.

[hawkofva]

Zel, you make a good point, but I don't think whether or not he considers rap a kind of music is really a topic worth arguing. I doubt you're going to change his mind.

[Alright_Computer]

If people are playing instruments, it's music. Rap (IMO!!!!!) is not music.

Also, the fact that good songs sometimes get re-mixed as a rap song makes me hate rap even more.

You couldn't be more wrong. Music has an objective definition. It's not subjective at all like you seem to think it is. Music is simply sound organized in time, whether it's some kid tapping his pencil on his desk in math class or an orchestra of professional musicians playing a classical symphony. Hip hop is sound and it's organized in time; therefore, it's music just as much as any rock, jazz, classical, or blues artist.

Whether or not the music is good or not is totally up to you, of course. Even though I disagree, you're entitled to your opinion. :)

[Jglaubman]

Ok, I'm gonna back out of this one. I really really don't like rap, so I can guarantee I won't like this game. I don't want to offend anyone with my opinions, so I will leave it at that.

[instantdeath999]

If people are playing instruments, it's music. Rap (IMO!!!!!) is not music.

Also, the fact that good songs sometimes get re-mixed as a rap song makes me hate rap even more.

John Cage has a song that is composed of over 3 minutes of silence... but it's not silence. Everything that is going on contributes to the "music". John Cage is almost universally considered a genius, but this pieced caused a lot of controversy, and challenged the definition of music.

I personally think music is what you make it. The bare bone definition of music is "organized sound"... our ears is what organizes the sound. Therefore, anything that is music to you is music.

That's my stance, anyway, and by John Cage, I'm sticking with it. I'm sorry if the 4:33 example has been used.

[Zeleii]

Zel, you make a good point, but I don't think whether or not he considers rap a kind of music is really a topic worth arguing. I doubt you're going to change his mind.
Basically, as Instant said. Music is less opinionative in it's "meaning" but taste is a matter of subject.

[cokecan]

The funny thing is I don't find the content of DJ Hero to be exactly one genre or another.

It is a mash up of a lot of different songs, some electronic and some traditional band format combined using different DJ and mixing techniques.

There is Billy Squier, Beck, etc. This game is not rap, which I personally don't mind. But there are tracks that have rap songs in the mix.

[Neoxon]

I have to admit, DJ Hero was actually fun (played it at Best Buy). Glad FreeStyleGames thought of something fresh. As for the sequel, maybe they should take their time. The 93 songs are more than enough to keep people busy, plus the DLC coming (it's the first of its kind, so I expect it to be small now).

Go ahead, diss DJ Hero all you want, but it's a fun game that introduces a fresh new form of gameplay to let people enjoy the music. Don't get me wrong, RB is incredible, but DJ Hero just brings something completely new to the table. I'll get it later down the road, but I just want the price to go down first.

[Zeleii]

I have to admit, DJ Hero was actually fun (played it at Best Buy). Glad FreeStyleGames thought of something fresh. As for the sequel, maybe they should take their time. The 93 songs are more than enough to keep people busy, plus the DLC coming (it's the first of its kind, so I expect it to be small now).

Go ahead, diss DJ Hero all you want, but it's a fun game that introduces a fresh new form of gameplay to let people enjoy the music. Don't get me wrong, RB is incredible, but DJ Hero just brings something completely new to the table. I'll get it later down the road, but I just want the price to go down first.
I want the game badly, BUT the concept has been done before. Check last past.

[Jdurgit]

If they want to make more DJ Hero games, by all means do it. I really can't stand rap just like I can't stand country. Yes, there are a few songs from each genre that I do like, but overall the vast majority of it is grating on my ears. That doesn't mean if a company is making a game for that genre that I will get my undies in a bunch. The only way I would care is if the development team being used to make that game was taken away from a development team that could be making tracks or games that I do like.

[OakTea]

If people are playing instruments, it's music. Rap (IMO!!!!!) is not music.

Also, the fact that good songs sometimes get re-mixed as a rap song makes me hate rap even more.

You (IMO!!!!!) are not a human.

[hawkofva]

You (IMO!!!!!) are not a human.
You're a couple hours late on the pointless bashing of someone for having different tastes than you. He already left. :rolleyes:

[Phil Manutz]

If people are playing instruments, it's music. Rap (IMO!!!!!) is not music.

Also, the fact that good songs sometimes get re-mixed as a rap song makes me hate rap even more.


you're pretty ignorant of the genre if you think all rap is made without instruments. and with that in mind, you're saying instrument based rap is music, but not otherwise? or are you saying that if people are playing instruments then it's not rap? in either case, you'd be wrong.

[Jglaubman]

you're pretty ignorant of the genre if you think all rap is made without instruments. and with that in mind, you're saying instrument based rap is music, but not otherwise? or are you saying that if people are playing instruments then it's not rap? in either case, you'd be wrong.

It's not the vocals that bother me (although a lot of the times it's the lyrical content that does). Look at my avatar, RHCP are my favorite band, they do plenty of rap style vocals. The only difference is that instead of repetitive, most likely computer made background beats, they have funky guitar, bass, and drum parts.

I shouldn't have said that that kind of rap music wasn't music, just that I don't like it and it's because of that I will not even consider buying DJ Hero.

[instantdeath999]

It's not the vocals that bother me (although a lot of the times it's the lyrical content that does). Look at my avatar, RHCP are my favorite band, they do plenty of rap style vocals. The only difference is that instead of repetitive, most likely computer made background beats, they have funky guitar, bass, and drum parts.

I shouldn't have said that that kind of rap music wasn't music, just that I don't like it and it's because of that I will not even consider buying DJ Hero.

What about alternative hip-hop, such as Handlebars by The Flobots, which came out for Rock Band (I would give you a youtube link, but it's not working for me currently)? While that is a "rap" song, it uses not only guitar, but saxophone.

Also, while most would not call him hip-hop, Beck has lots of hip-hop influences, but as far as I'm concerned is a musical genius.

[Jglaubman]

What about alternative hip-hop, such as Handlebars by The Flobots, which came out for Rock Band (I would give you a youtube link, but it's not working for me currently)? While that is a "rap" song, it uses not only guitar, but saxophone.

Also, while most would not call him hip-hop, Beck has lots of hip-hop influences, but as far as I'm concerned is a musical genius.

Just listened to it and it sounded pretty awesome. Certainly better (again, IMO) than a lot of the stuff in this game.

[CyanFunk]

It's not the vocals that bother me (although a lot of the times it's the lyrical content that does). Look at my avatar, RHCP are my favorite band, they do plenty of rap style vocals. The only difference is that instead of repetitive, most likely computer made background beats, they have funky guitar, bass, and drum parts

What are these "computer made" background beats you speak of? All the hip-hop I've listened to either samples from funk songs or has session musicians come in

[R33DH4M]

What are these "computer made" background beats you speak of? All the hip-hop I've listened to either samples from funk songs or has session musicians come in

I think he's talking about horrible crap like this. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4tnlRQGyH0&feature=related)

[cokecan]

Lol, if DJ Hero had music (yes I still consider it music even though it makes my ears bleed) like that, I would join the DJ Hero bash-a-thon!

There is such thing as good rap, but obviously we are getting into very subjective territory at this point and there is no point in arguing personal taste.

I think the main point to focus on is that music is music regardless of how crappy it might be or how it is generated.

[Zeleii]

What are these "computer made" background beats you speak of? All the hip-hop I've listened to either samples from funk songs or has session musicians come in
Tehcno usually uses computer derived music. And it's still good music.

[Cpt. Overkill]

If people are playing instruments, it's music. Rap (IMO!!!!!) is not music.

Also, the fact that good songs sometimes get re-mixed as a rap song makes me hate rap even more.

I'm not trying to get into this argument here, but there are MANY rap artists who use instruments.

Okay, you guys can continue arguing.

[Alright_Computer]

You're a couple hours late on the pointless bashing of someone for having different tastes than you. He already left. :rolleyes:

I'll agree that bashing someone for not liking rap is really stupid and completely pointless, but correcting someone for not calling it music when it clearly is is perfectly justifiable. I'm sure 50 years ago, jazz and classical fans said rock wasn't music because it was too simple, too noisy, too raucous, but look where we are now: rock is a huge phenomenon and it's universally considered music by most people with a brain.

And also, for the record, most hip hop artists beyond the shallow, vain party rap you hear on the radio either sample actual instruments or use actual instruments in their songs. A good example of a hip hop band that uses actual instruments is the Roots, but there are a ton of other hip hop groups that play their own instruments in addition to rapping/singing/what have you. If you're bashing it because it doesn't use actual instruments, you need to look beyond the tip of the iceberg.

Like I said before, I have no problem at all with people not liking hip hop because of the vocal technique or the repetitive instrumentation or whatever reason it might be. It's just when people say it isn't music that it grinds my gears.

[hawkofva]

I'll agree that bashing someone for not liking rap is really stupid and completely pointless, but correcting someone for not calling it music when it clearly is is perfectly justifiable. I'm sure 50 years ago, jazz and classical fans said rock wasn't music because it was too simple, too noisy, too raucous, but look where we are now: rock is a huge phenomenon and it's universally considered music by most people with a brain.

And also, for the record, most hip hop artists beyond the shallow, vain party rap you hear on the radio either sample actual instruments or use actual instruments in their songs. A good example of a hip hop band that uses actual instruments is the Roots, but there are a ton of other hip hop groups that play their own instruments in addition to rapping/singing/what have you. If you're bashing it because it doesn't use actual instruments, you need to look beyond the tip of the iceberg.

Like I said before, I have no problem at all with people not liking hip hop because of the vocal technique or the repetitive instrumentation or whatever reason it might be. It's just when people say it isn't music that it grinds my gears.
As you said, people have been saying "*XXXXXX-genre* is not music" as a way of saying they don't like a certain kind of music for decades. It's nothing new. You're arguing over the semantics of his speech when his first post delivered his point crystal clear. He doesn't like rap. Move on.

[R33DH4M]

The rap used in DJ Hero doesn't even sound like rap the way the DJ's mixed it in the game so quit your *****ing.

[Alright_Computer]

As you said, people have been saying "*XXXXXX-genre* is not music" as a way of saying they don't like a certain kind of music for decades. It's nothing new. You're arguing over the semantics of his speech when his first post delivered his point crystal clear. He doesn't like rap. Move on.

Really? Because saying that hip hop isn't music because you don't like it is like saying that, say, winter isn't a season because you don't like the cold or that football isn't a sport because you don't like oval-shaped balls. It's ignorant, it's elitist, it's immature, and it's an insult to anyone that does like rap, winter, or football. You're blatantly ignoring the facts if you legitimately think that. And when someone ignores facts, especially over the internet, I usually try to correct them so that they see the facts.

[Lawdog1521]

Really? Because saying that hip hop isn't music because you don't like it is like saying that, say, winter isn't a season because you don't like the cold or that football isn't a sport because you don't like oval-shaped balls. It's ignorant, it's elitist, it's immature, and it's an insult to anyone that does like rap, winter, or football. You're blatantly ignoring the facts if you legitimately think that. And when someone ignores facts, especially over the internet, I usually try to correct them so that they see the facts.

I hate oval shaped balls.

[hawkofva]

Really? Because saying that hip hop isn't music because you don't like it is like saying that, say, winter isn't a season because you don't like the cold or that football isn't a sport because you don't like oval-shaped balls. It's ignorant, it's elitist, it's immature, and it's an insult to anyone that does like rap, winter, or football. You're blatantly ignoring the facts if you legitimately think that. And when someone ignores facts, especially over the internet, I usually try to correct them so that they see the facts.

Yes, I'm sure he regrets ever saying that since the real elitist *****s decided to come in here and ***** him out because he used a common turn of phrase to indicate that he didn't like a genre of music. Even one of your own examples is very commonly used, people who don't like certain sports regularly use a variation of the phrase "Such and such isn't a real sport," to show they don't like it!

If y'all are going to get hissy and act like he was trying to offend you guys when all he was saying was that he didn't like rap, you might as well just start up a new thread in the History of Rock forum where stupid **** like this belongs and get all this pointless whining out of your systems, because it's downright sad.

On topic:
I'm not surprised they're already planning a sequel. Most developers at least have ideas for their next game in their minds well before the wrap on the previous iteration. I remember when Heroes of the Pacific came out, there was an entire section of those forums for ideas for a possible sequel, which took years and several developers to see the light of day (see Heroes over Europe) because the first game wasn't really that big and the arcade-flight-sim genre is rather small to begin with. (Not to mention that the Blazing Angels games had that nook tied up pretty tightly for the first year of this generation of consoles, followed by Ace Combat 6.)

Whether or not the sequel makes it to shelves any time soon will depend on sales of the game, but given that they're working with a huge series name like Guitar Hero, they can afford to have high expectations for the sales.

[Alright_Computer]

Yes, I'm sure he regrets ever saying that since the real elitist *****s decided to come in here and ***** him out because he used a common turn of phrase to indicate that he didn't like a genre of music. Even one of your own examples is very commonly used, people who don't like certain sports regularly use a variation of the phrase "Such and such isn't a real sport," to show they don't like it!

If y'all are going to get hissy and act like he was trying to offend you guys when all he was saying was that he didn't like rap, you might as well just start up a new thread in the History of Rock forum where stupid **** like this belongs and get all this pointless whining out of your systems, because it's downright sad.

I've said this a number of times, but I'll say it again to make it clear: I don't have any problem if he doesn't like rap. People like what they like. That's completely understandable. I'm not off to change people's music taste because I disagree; I think it's great that people have different opinions than me, it's what makes us humans so great. That saying just gets on my nerves, you know? It's stupid in any context, whether it's sports, music, food, art... the point being that yes, it is real music, art, or sports, and you should at least treat it with that much respect even if you hate it with every fiber of your being.

Oh yeah, and way to turn this into a "blah blah blah History of Rock blah blah blah elitism" deal when I was actually saying this stuff because I was against the elitist behavior that supposedly goes on there. But if you want to believe that, it's okay. Opinions differ and all that. Just don't go on and say that I'm not a real forum poster because you don't like what I have to say.

[hawkofva]

I've said this a number of times, but I'll say it again to make it clear: I don't have any problem if he doesn't like rap. People like what they like. That's completely understandable. I'm not off to change people's music taste because I disagree; I think it's great that people have different opinions than me, it's what makes us humans so great. That saying just gets on my nerves, you know? It's stupid in any context, whether it's sports, music, food, art... the point being that yes, it is real music, art, or sports, and you should at least treat it with that much respect even if you hate it with every fiber of your being.

Oh yeah, and way to turn this into a "blah blah blah History of Rock blah blah blah elitism" deal when I was actually saying this stuff because I was against the elitist behavior that supposedly goes on there. But if you want to believe that, it's okay. Opinions differ and all that.I'm calling what I see. I saw him use a COMMON TURN OF PHRASE and a half dozen people get up in arms about it. Who gives a rat's ass whether someone "respects" a genre of music? It's music! You like it, listen to it, you don't, don't! This isn't complicated! There's no reason to attack someone for using a simple and common saying to deliver their point unless you just so happen to disagree with the point and are just looking to attack them.
Just don't go on and say that I'm not a real forum poster because you don't like what I have to say.You're putting words in my mouth. I never said you weren't a real forum poster. I said stupid arguments like this belong in the History of Rock subforum, where people can expect to be attacked for their personal taste in music. Apologies for any misconceptions there.

[Phil Manutz]

Yes, I'm sure he regrets ever saying that since the real elitist *****s decided to come in here and ***** him out because he used a common turn of phrase to indicate that he didn't like a genre of music. Even one of your own examples is very commonly used, people who don't like certain sports regularly use a variation of the phrase "Such and such isn't a real sport," to show they don't like it!

If y'all are going to get hissy and act like he was trying to offend you guys when all he was saying was that he didn't like rap, you might as well just start up a new thread in the History of Rock forum where stupid **** like this belongs and get all this pointless whining out of your systems, because it's downright sad.

On topic:
I'm not surprised they're already planning a sequel. Most developers at least have ideas for their next game in their minds well before the wrap on the previous iteration. I remember when Heroes of the Pacific came out, there was an entire section of those forums for ideas for a possible sequel, which took years and several developers to see the light of day (see Heroes over Europe) because the first game wasn't really that big and the arcade-flight-sim genre is rather small to begin with. (Not to mention that the Blazing Angels games had that nook tied up pretty tightly for the first year of this generation of consoles, followed by Ace Combat 6.)

Whether or not the sequel makes it to shelves any time soon will depend on sales of the game, but given that they're working with a huge series name like Guitar Hero, they can afford to have high expectations for the sales.

you havent read all the pertinent quotes and responses in this situation. the guy very clearly stated that rap is not music because it does not contain music made on actual instruments, an opinion that is entirely ignorant of the genre and just plain wrong. the fact that he doesn't like it is not what is being debated here.

[Alright_Computer]

I'm calling what I see. I saw him use a COMMON TURN OF PHRASE and a half dozen people get up in arms about it. Who gives a rat's ass whether someone "respects" a genre of music? It's music! You like it, listen to it, you don't, don't! This isn't complicated! There's no reason to attack someone for using a simple and common saying to deliver their point unless you just so happen to disagree with the point and are just looking to attack them.

It has NOTHING to do with disagreeing on the topic of music. I don't even like a lot of rap music, for crying out loud! If someone said that Bullet For My Valentine wasn't music, I would have said the same thing. I dislike the band a lot, but does that mean that I wouldn't defend them if someone says they aren't "real music"? No. What other kind of music is there, fake music? That saying just reeks of elitism.


You're putting words in my mouth. I never said you weren't a real forum poster. I said stupid arguments like this belong in the History of Rock subforum, where people can expect to be attacked for their personal taste in music. Apologies for any misconceptions there.

Well, calling me not a forum poster because you don't like something I have to say makes as much sense as your whole argument here. But I'm going to digress anyway. I think we can both agree that this is an utterly pointless tangent and it would be best for both of our e-tempers if we just dropped it. My apologies for helping to bring this thread so far off-topic, and I hope it can get back to the topic of DJ Hero 2 once this post is done.


you havent read all the pertinent quotes and responses in this situation. the guy very clearly stated that rap is not music because it does not contain music made on actual instruments, an opinion that is entirely ignorant of the genre and just plain wrong. the fact that he doesn't like it is not what is being debated here.

Eh, I'm done with the argument anyway, but good to see someone understands where I'm coming from. :)

[Jglaubman]

Uh... guys, it doesn't matter.

I was wrong to say rap wasn't music. Now please go back to talking about DJ Hero.

[Xzyliac]

Uh... guys, it doesn't matter.

I was wrong to say rap wasn't music. Now please go back to talking about DJ Hero.

Haha, surely you must've foreseen this sh*tstorm.

[Jglaubman]

With all the band bashing that goes on on a regular basis on these forums, I was extremely shocked that I got this kind of reaction.

[hawkofva]

you havent read all the pertinent quotes and responses in this situation. the guy very clearly stated that rap is not music because it does not contain music made on actual instruments, an opinion that is entirely ignorant of the genre and just plain wrong. the fact that he doesn't like it is not what is being debated here.
Perhaps you should re-read the thread. He didn't have to elaborate on the reasons he didn't like rap until after several people had already started complaining about the initial statement trying to start an argument (which they did successfully).

It has NOTHING to do with disagreeing on the topic of music. I don't even like a lot of rap music, for crying out loud! If someone said that Bullet For My Valentine wasn't music, I would have said the same thing. I dislike the band a lot, but does that mean that I wouldn't defend them if someone says they aren't "real music"? No. What other kind of music is there, fake music? That saying just reeks of elitism.I'm saying you're reading too much into what he said and attacking him for something completely pointless. You're saying he's an elitist for using a common phrase to say he doesn't like rap. We both think this whole thing is ridiculous.



Well, calling me not a forum poster because you don't like something I have to say makes as much sense as your whole argument here.What the hell are you talking about? I never said you weren't a forum poster. :confused:

[Alright_Computer]

Uh... guys, it doesn't matter.

Yeah, I was a little too late to realize this. Back to being the friendly, chill guy I usually try to be on these boards... :)


What the hell are you talking about? I never said you weren't a forum poster. :confused:

I never said you did either. It was hypothetical.

Back on topic, what I'll probably end up doing if I do get the game is get a DJ Hero 1 turntable/game package when it drops in price around DJ Hero 2's release and then get the disc only for DJ Hero 2. I'm a patient guy and the game doesn't seem like that much fun to me just yet, so I can wait to play it.

[Phil Manutz]

Perhaps you should re-read the thread. He didn't have to elaborate on the reasons he didn't like rap until after several people had already started complaining about the initial statement trying to start an argument (which they did successfully).
I'm saying you're reading too much into what he said and attacking him for something completely pointless. You're saying he's an elitist for using a common phrase to say he doesn't like rap. We both think this whole thing is ridiculous.


What the hell are you talking about? I never said you weren't a forum poster. :confused:

I comprehend what happened here just fine. the post that you responded to when going into this argument about turns of phrase was in regard to the actual meaning of what the mentioned poster had said.
so, no, I didn't lack in my reading what was necessary. if his meaning was not what you wanted to argue then you responded to the wrong person.

in any case, even if he hadn't actually inferred in the first place his opinion on the musical integrity of rap, no one that "attacked" him was wrong in their assumptions, now were they? they didn't read too far into it, they hit the nail on the head. and you are still saying it was merely turn of phrase when it has been established that it wasn't. when he said rap isn't music, he meant just that. he wasn't simply saying he didn't like it. he said it himself. are you going to tell him that he didn't mean what he said, too?

I suggest just leaving this whole thing alone, as you seem not to get the point.

[hawkofva]

I comprehend what happened here just fine. the post that you responded to when going into this argument about turns of phrase was in regard to the actual meaning of what the mentioned poster had said.
so, no, I didn't lack in my reading what was necessary. if his meaning was not what you wanted to argue then you responded to the wrong person.

in any case, even if he hadn't actually inferred in the first place his opinion on the musical integrity of rap, no one that "attacked" him was wrong in their assumptions, now were they? they didn't read too far into it, they hit the nail on the head. and you are still saying it was merely turn of phrase when it has been established that it wasn't. when he said rap isn't music, he meant just that. he wasn't simply saying he didn't like it. he said it himself. are you going to tell him that he didn't mean what he said, too?

I suggest just leaving this whole thing alone, as you seem not to get the point.

I don't get the point? There isn't a point. This whole conversation has devolved into people coming up with excuses for how they were right to be *******s. Fine, you win. He totally deserved the ****storm because expressed the opinion that he doesn't like rap. How dare he. Continue the completely justified bashing. :rolleyes:

Also, Denning rocks.

[Alright_Computer]

I don't get the point? There isn't a point. This whole conversation has devolved into people coming up with excuses for how they were right to be *******s. Fine, you win. He totally deserved the ****storm because expressed the opinion that he doesn't like rap. How dare he. Continue the completely justified bashing. :rolleyes:

Also, Denning rocks.

I know those negative comments are aimed at me, but I know I deserve them since I was being an *******, so I'll just let them slide.

After reading this thread again, I realize I missed a this post made from before I made my second post on the tangent:


I shouldn't have said that that kind of rap music wasn't music, just that I don't like it and it's because of that I will not even consider buying DJ Hero.

that would have prevented this whole fiasco from happening. Now I feel like an idiot and I'll freely admit I was wrong and apologize to everyone involved. I guess I'm just so used to people legitimately thinking that rap isn't music that I must have skimmed over this part of the post in a fit of rage, or something like that. Again, my apologies.

Someone admitting they were wrong on the internet. Whaddayknow. Sorry if I let anyone get the wrong impression of me. I try to be as nice and polite as possible most of the time.

Now, ON TOPIC. Not like this topic had much more to add than "DJ Hero is doing something that's standard industry practice, but they totally suck for it anyway"... :p

[Phil Manutz]

I don't get the point? There isn't a point. This whole conversation has devolved into people coming up with excuses for how they were right to be *******s. Fine, you win. He totally deserved the ****storm because expressed the opinion that he doesn't like rap. How dare he. Continue the completely justified bashing. :rolleyes:

Also, Denning rocks.

I don't care about the bullcrap leading into the whole argument, nor do I condone the actions of those who lashed out at him. I am simply expressing that the point he made, whether he did it in retaliation to being bashed or not, was not read too far into by anyone. he said directly what he meant by it, no lines to read between.

in any case, let's drop it, it's a dumb argument anyway.

[zack10house]

(i'm gonna bypass this whole argument thing that's apparently going on...)

the fact that they're making DJ Hero 2 is fantastic news. I just got DJ Hero two nights ago and I'm LOVING it. It's just a great game, and the mixes are amazing. 50 Cent and David Bowie? Yes please. I don't like 50 or Bowie, but they manage to make a decent track out of two less-than-great songs in several instances.

[also, to people complaining about the three dollar tracks...look up the DARE/Can't Truss It mix. It's ****ing amazing. Possibly my favorite track on the game. The Mary J. Blige/50 Cent and Queen track is an ok mix, but not nearly as enjoyable as the Gorillaz/Public Enemy track]

[Phil Manutz]

(i'm gonna bypass this whole argument thing that's apparently going on...)

the fact that they're making DJ Hero 2 is fantastic news. I just got DJ Hero two nights ago and I'm LOVING it. It's just a great game, and the mixes are amazing. 50 Cent and David Bowie? Yes please. I don't like 50 or Bowie, but they manage to make a decent track out of two less-than-great songs in several instances.

[also, to people complaining about the three dollar tracks...look up the DARE/Can't Truss It mix. It's ****ing amazing. Possibly my favorite track on the game. The Mary J. Blige/50 Cent and Queen track is an ok mix, but not nearly as enjoyable as the Gorillaz/Public Enemy track]

I'm in total agreement on the gorillaz/PE track. it's the best I've played so far.

[jonoo24]

I don't like rap. But I can stand it if it's actual singing; not just talking into the microphone about what venereal disease you have contracted or how much money you get.

[ExpertDrummer]

Uhhh, should I be surprised???

[Phil Manutz]

Uhhh, should I be surprised???

Uhhh, no, you shouldn't, since this is typical of the development cycle of games and their sequels. why it is that people are demonizing activision for one of the most common practices by all game houses is beyond me.

[ThunderCurls]

Uhhh, no, you shouldn't, since this is typical of the development cycle of games and their sequels. why it is that people are demonizing activision for one of the most common practices by all game houses is beyond me.

Because to RB fans, Activision are literally demons....

[Zeleii]

Because to RB fans, Activision are literally demons....
I'm a Rock Band fan. There is a fine line between FAN BOY and Fans.

[bood-boy]

theres a thin line between being a hero, and being a memory.

[jrinck]

Activision got it right with DJ Hero, even with the guitar integration. This is a fun game and a nice change of pace.

[bermuddy]

bood is a hero. one can say he's almost an idol.

[HiAperture]

Activision already said they don't expect the game to be nearly as big as guitar hero until the second or third release, so the only thing that would suprise me is if they weren't working on a sequel. Plus I hate to break it to you but almost every game sequel goes into initial production as the first releases if not earlier.

[R33DH4M]

Pretty soon they'll be able to make Guitar Hero: Incubus. At least I'm hoping for that.

[Xygnus]

>_______________>

Totally saw that coming.