Rap Sucks

[FrshChees]

I never liked it. The old stuff is definitely better than todays but I still don't like it. But now that I think about it, there is old rap that isn't much different from today's. "Baby Got Back", for example. In the other thread about modern rap being crap someone brought up a really really good point to why it's so popular. They said they were listening to some rap and after awhile the beat got stuck in their head very easily. And its the constant repetition of the beat that drills into ur head. But yeah, I can't stand rap. It's all I hear at school...unless I bring my CD player.

[Gtone]

Jay-Z's Black Album is fantastic. Its got a permanent home in the in-dash CD changer. Right next to the Very Best of Eric Clapton.

[nVizzle]

This thread is racist.

[steve64]

Welll.... Lets just doublecheck the dictionary here



Oh gee! Like a turntable does!

Turntables require a serious deal of precision to use dude. If you have never used them, you don't know how they work. If you don't know how they work, you have no right acting like they're inferior to a guitar or anything else. They're equally as difficult or more difficult (and without a doubt far more complex) than any instrument ou there.

Go find a set, 2 vinyls, and try to spin. You will fail, miserably. I'm not even being mean, it's just the facts of it. I could teach you a G chord in 2 minutes, but to learn how to spin would take WAY longer.

DUDE, WHATS WRONG WITH YOU. I MEAN SURE IT MAKES MUSICAL SOUNDS, BUT ITS STILL NOT A TRUEINSTRUMENT. AND BESIDES, IT DOESN'T TAKE FOCUS, OR SKILLS WHATSOEVER. YOU TURN DISCS AND PRESS BUTTONS.

ANYWAYS RAP MUSIC SUCKS

[Julio_No_Mas]

This thread is racist.
:rolleyes:

[SargentBass]

This thread is racist.

Not really, its only racisest if you belive that rap is a art intended to be heard or made by the same race, the fact is it just music, i hate rap, to much fakie stuff, now while i dont like snoop or 50 Cents i do like emanime, now does that make me racest...no i just like some of emanine b/c some of his stuff seems more down to earth, or funny (As long as you dont count FACK lol)

The fact is that to many people belive that Rap is Black people music, when in fact it encompasses every one, just like all music. Granted the majority of rap is sung by Black, or people with a less then white pigmentaion, but the shere fact that you say that this is reacest must mean you only belive the Rap is intended for or made by blacks.

P.S Sry if i have offended anyone but i was just trying to make a point

[SargentBass]

DUDE, WHATS WRONG WITH YOU. I MEAN SURE IT MAKES MUSICAL SOUNDS, BUT ITS STILL NOT A TRUEINSTRUMENT. AND BESIDES, IT DOESN'T TAKE FOCUS, OR SKILLS WHATSOEVER. YOU TURN DISCS AND PRESS BUTTONS.

ANYWAYS RAP MUSIC SUCKS




Vinyles does take some skill i have turned table before for some fun at a party and i got kicked off lol. But Rap sucking is your opiun, and everyone has that right to one. Turn tables arnt considered a real intrament in the genral public but, they still take time and practis to learn.

You have to control the BPM, the speed of two records if not more while slowing and speeding them up constatly, Changing the EQ Hundreads of times, and then to top it off, your not just scratching, you actully takeing two Record and mixing them together, for example, take the music form one and lyrics from another add some more bass, incress the BPM to 120 then let them play, and then do it all again dozens of times a minute To make the sounds coming out of the speakers be good.

[fatkid400]

RAP SUCKSSS!!! you need no musical ability to rap. at least in rock you learn an instrament Guitar,Bass,drums ETC.Rap is like all computer generated:mad:

[steve64]

RAP SUCKSSS!!! you need no musical ability to rap. at least in rock you learn an instrament Guitar,Bass,drums ETC.Rap is like all computer generated:mad:

I AGREE

LATER

[steve64]

DUDE, WHATS WRONG WITH YOU. I MEAN SURE IT MAKES MUSICAL SOUNDS, BUT ITS STILL NOT A TRUEINSTRUMENT. AND BESIDES, IT DOESN'T TAKE FOCUS, OR SKILLS WHATSOEVER. YOU TURN DISCS AND PRESS BUTTONS.

ANYWAYS RAP MUSIC SUCKS



OOPS I SAID RAP MUSIC

RAP IS NOT MUSIC

IT IS SIMPLY COMPUTER GENERATED SOUNDS AND SOME BODY TALKING REALLY FAST ABOUT SOMETHING THAT NOBODY CARES ABOUT.

[starkukraine]

Anyone like HipHop?

[ghostfacedre]

I'm a huge fan of Hip-Hop as well as Rock. Hip-Hop is so much deeper then what is played on the radio or popular by the mainstream. A huge amount of rapper's don't just talk about "hittin' they woman" or "hustlin and killin' otha brothas". The mainstream's image of rap are ignorant black men who just care about gettin' crunk and sellin' drugs and that ****. I can understand if people don't just like the music, but it's ignorant not to classify it as music and just consider it ****.

[Julio_No_Mas]

OOPS I SAID RAP MUSIC

RAP IS NOT MUSIC

IT IS SIMPLY COMPUTER GENERATED SOUNDS AND SOME BODY TALKING REALLY FAST ABOUT SOMETHING THAT NOBODY CARES ABOUT.

I guess the millions of people that buy rap records don't care either. "You, sir, are ignorant."

[cuBERT]

Music, in general, is going down the tubes....

[Keagan2387]

You my friend are ignorant

[ktulu]

an incredibly useless thread, i will say this:

listen to older rap or alternative(underground, political, horrorcore), not mainstream ****.

its pretty much the same for ALL music, popular music isn't good music.

[FrshChees]

O rly? Not every rapper sings about shooting people


And the lyrics differ from rapper to rapper

It usually has a beat that changes for a chorus and bridge if there is one, then reverts to the original beat. Rock songs have a verse, then a bridge, then a chorus.

AHAHAHAHA.... I'd like to see you A. Play guitar for 6 months and see how good you get and then B. Learn to spin for 6 months and see how terrible you are. You don't comprehend the amount of precision and skill that goes into it. You just see people at turntables in rap videos and assume its easy... thats because they're just there for effect, not because they're actually spinning.

And lots of rappers rap about killing people when they never have killed people. All your points are silly, refutable by turning them around, and ignorant. Don't bother.

OK, u started out making sense with the shooting people thing. BUT! He didn't say that all rap lyrics are the same. He was talking about vocals. Also not all rock/metal songs are verse chorus bridge. Take A LOT OF songs for example. Theres solos, multiple choruses, and interlude. There are a lot of different parts other than what you named.

SOOOO ur saying turntables are harder than guitar? Do you play? And if u do, u should know how hard guitar is. I'm not saying turntables are easy, because i wouldn't know, but I dont think that guitar is as easy as u make it sound.

[FrshChees]

Music, in general, is going down the tubes....

+1 these "music channels" need to find out about more bands than just these crappy...I dont even know what they're called, new alternative? I DON KNOW! Death Metal and other metal I dont really listen to is too scary for the viewing public :D.

[Keagan2387]

Once again your wrong, what bands were popular mainstream in the 90's? Nirvana? Rage Against the Machine? SoundGarden? Seems to me people look back at these guys as legends. All mainstream is what the scene decides to be in at the present time.

[FrshChees]

And the current scene just happens to be crap.

[ktulu]

SOOOO ur saying turntables are harder than guitar? Do you play? And if u do, u should know how hard guitar is. I'm not saying turntables are easy, because i wouldn't know, but I dont think that guitar is as easy as u make it sound.

I play both decently, i'm no clapton or dj shadow.

both are difficult instruments.

guitar you focus on being able to get the form right, memorizing hundreds of lines of tab.

turntables, mixers, samplers you focus on listening, finding something you like, learning how to mix it, make it your own.

i just think people should learn to respect other peoples musical tastes.

[FrshChees]

I play both decently, i'm no clapton or dj shadow.

both are difficult instruments.

guitar you focus on being able to get the form right, memorizing hundreds of lines of tab.

turntables, mixers, samplers you focus on listening, finding something you like, learning how to mix it, make it your own.

i just think people should learn to respect other peoples musical tastes.

:D OK!

I have very few friends who like what I like. Most of 'em like rap and country. Or some genre of rock I don't like. I could careless if they like it, it doesn't change them.

Thats my Dr. Phil Moment of the Day brought to you by: VIAGRA...heheh...ur old

[SkidRow666]

anyone can talk fast or make up a beat, but how many people can shred on the guitar like Eddie Van Halen or tear up the drums like Keith Moon and Neil Peart, or belch out a screeching, ear deafening scream like Bruce Dickinson or Axl Rose or even Steven Tyler

[Manda]

I've never been a fan of rap. I have listened to some of it and liked it, but as a whole it's not a genre that garners a lot of talent, skill, or experience to be really good at. Unfortunately, both rap and country are the big genres right now, and while rock isn't dead, it's certainly underlooked.

What I really can't stand is the Beastie Boys. Rapping rockers... right... that song in the game, Sabotage, is so horrid. It sounds good until those guys start rapping.

I'm hoping that rap will die down in the next couple decades. The genres that require talent need to re-emerge into the scene.

[jimmymadstdnt]

It should be classified as spoken word because that's what it is, they just lay the spoken word tracks over other people's music. And then when they can't think of anyone else to rip-off they just rip off another rap song. By and large the least creative garbage on the planet.

[Manda]

I've been trying to prevent myself to referring to rap as "songs", because a song requires singing, and they don't sing. Not to say it's not music, it's just not a song.

[erickOnasis412]

this argument is pretty pointless to be honest.. this is like going to a Megadeth forum and asking how many people like Britney Spears

when it comes to rap music, i honestly think a majority (not all) of the people on this forum don't have a clue what they're talking about.. its a rock music video game forum.. don't get me wrong, i love the rock band video game, i love all genres of music (especially rap and rock), but to honestly expect a meaningful opinion on rap music is going to come from THIS message board is pretty stupid

i mean somebody said a "song requires singing".. obviously not too many people here are educated about MUSIC let alone hip hop and rap genres.. and you think it's a "talentless" genre? trust me, it's NOT as easy as you believe.. i'd pay money to see you try your hand at production/songwriting

and saying "hip hop is not art" is saying poetry is not an art.. like i said, its not that people here are stupid, its just that they are clueless.. a majority of the people here are going to have a bias opinion because they just don't know..

the bottom line is, to make ANY genre of music, you need talent.. from playing guitar, to DJing, to playing drums, to singing, to rapping, to dancing, to making a beat - none is easier than the other to perfect

[jimmymadstdnt]

First of all don't compare it to poetry because aside from maybe a handful of underground people that no one's ever heard-of who are capable of putting together a rap with meaning and substance, there's none to it, much unlike poetry.

While poetry focuses on deep meanings and developing a theme in different ways, the vast majority of rap glorifies crime and horrible acts. While a few may claim that "they're just bringing to light social issues", you're wrong. Aside from a few meaningful groups from years ago like public enemy, none are doing such things. You look at trash like 50 Cent and Kanye West, the list goes on, all you see is the random stringing together of trash into rhyming phrases.

There's an old saying among poets and poetic scholars, "just because it rhymes, that doesn't mean it's good."[B]

That saying rings true today, this rhyming trash isn't good because a bunch of people can put together rhyming descriptions of atrocious acts, doesn't mean its valid as music or any other art form.

Oh and as [B]much talent as some think it takes to spin turntables, you still cannot fathom the amount it takes to play a valid instrument!

There is an intense amount of study of music theory, as well as practice involved to truly be one with one's instrument like a true artist, for example Clapton or Hendrix. The same cannot be said for turntables and mixing a rap song. I have a great deal of experience in recording and as such can tell you, it takes very little talent to put together the samples in a rap song. I mean people like Brian Wilson who put together elaborate works of recording like on the album "Pet Sounds" (and if you laugh at that you truly show how ignorant you are about music and music recording), it really does not take a lot to put together a rap song. While there is a bit of practice and the like that goes into spinning on a set of turn tables, it's not something that anyone who's got a few hundred bucks and a few cds can't do after a weekend of practice.

Anyone can take someone else's work and morph it with turn tables or a computer program and make it sound cool, and chop it up and use pieces of it, but very few build something incredible from nothing like a musician.

Hell any idiot with a computer can download software and put together an album that would hold up against any rap record today.

Singed,
A Trained Musician

[DACster]

Rap is teh greatest thing ever, RB should have rap

[jimmymadstdnt]

RB would not work with rap because the only parts you could play to are the mind-numbingly repetitive drum beats and occasional samples of others' music. Hell, you couldn't even score the vocals because there wouldn't be the variations in pitch it uses to score, it would be all the crappy spoken sections with no score.

Way to go, you've just come up with the worst idea since this game has been made.

[LOLOLOLGAIZ_ITS_SEVIN]

Naw Dude, Soulja Boy Is Da Best!

[DACster]

rap is teh great man, it ould be perfect for RB, the drums are hard, the singing is great, and the geetar is awesome

[erickOnasis412]

edited... its really not worth argueing with this guy

[A Lumbee Indian]

I really don't think rap sucks. Some of the stuff rappers have, they are experimenting from artists whether it be rock or old skool jams. They just put a different beat to it and their own spin. I just recently started listening to rock. Some of the songs my older siblings knew. I hardly listen to rap anymore.

[DACster]

Seriously now, some rap would be good, Run DMC would be awesome

[opivy1218]

Run DMC would not be that bad. Wu-tang or NWA could be okay in it . Just deffinetly not any of the **** like 50 cent or souljha boy, their complete garbage. More beastie boys would be real nice too.

[jimmymadstdnt]

That would be great if you only wanted to play THE SAME DRUM BEAT OVER AND OVER AND OVER and cannot sing a lick so you only want spoken sections for the singing.

[FrshChees]

The Roots would work. They actually play instruments. But still...no singing. Oh well.

[FrshChees]

That would be great if you only wanted to play THE SAME DRUM BEAT OVER AND OVER AND OVER and cannot sing a lick so you only want spoken sections for the singing.

Dude are you seriously gonna argue?!? They're J-O-K-I-N-G. They're not serious when saying they want rap in the game. They'll say they're serious...but they really aren't.

[erickOnasis412]

the roots would actually be awesome.. ?uestlove is a beast on the drums

and jimmy, do everybody a favor and get out of this thread.. seriously, do you not have anything better to do with your life than go onto a video game message board and try to insult rap music?

we get it.. you hate rap.. that's all you gotta say.. not everybodys gonna agree with you, you're not always right, the world doesn't revolve around you or what you like.. i hope to God you have bigger things in your life to worry about than what musical genre people like on a message board.. just move on, infact don't even post in this thread anymore..

i'm doing you a favor, this is the first step you can take to get on with your life

[azz the heretic]

RAP = R****ds Attempting Poetry

[jimmymadstdnt]

[QUOTE
we get it.. you hate rap.. that's all you gotta say.. not everybodys gonna agree with you, you're not always right, the world doesn't revolve around you or what you like.. i hope to God you have bigger things in your life to worry about than what musical genre people like on a message board.. just move on, infact don't even post in this thread anymore.. [/QUOTE]

Its not about like, hate, dislike. Rap is not music. Period. Anyone with serious musical background can tell you that. There are a very select few who do bring something to the table, and very very very select, i.e. pretty much just the roots (good idea by the way hadn't thought of them since they're a bit harder to classify as a single genre).

Rap is spoken word placed over samples of music, drum beats, etc. (Again aside from a few hard to classify groups like the Roots, or Rage Against the Machine).

It sucks, period, aside from the aforementioned groups, brings nothing to the table. And these inaccuracies like calling rap music needed to be corrected.

[erickOnasis412]

rage against the machine is not rap.. and the roots are NOT the only good hip hop group..

there's alot of artists that make good hip hop music like a tribe called quest, joell ortiz, del the funkee homosapien.. you just don't know anything about rap music or hip hop, nothing wrong with that.. it's just your taste in music

you've made your point.. i understand that, now just move on.. no hard feelings, i hope you feel the same way.. we just disagree, but i'll never change your mind and you'll never change mine.. people will like and dislike different things and they'll have different opinions on what something is.. don't try to say somebody's "wrong" though because they don't agree with you, there's no right or wrong with music

[Julio_No_Mas]

RATM is hard funk/rap metal, not rap.

[TKurata]

Rap in it's current state, is terrible. Everyone always has the same response that rap was good "back in the day" or "You just aren't listening to the right rap".

It's not art, it's not music, and it's not a staple of the black community. It's destructive, cliched,
stereotypical, ethnically offensive, garbage.

So If rap doesn't suck prove me wrong. It does and you know it.

I don't have time to prove you wrong sucka but if you are listening to "mainstream radio" than all genres suck. Hip Hop can be just as beautiful as jazz or classical or any other genre.

Bite one off

[SnakPak]

rap doesn't suck.

[Ishanji]

Excuse me if somebody's already worked this post over, but I couldn't resist and didn't want to read 30 pages just to check.


Rap in it's current state, is terrible. Everyone always has the same response that rap was good "back in the day" or "You just aren't listening to the right rap".

It's not art, it's not music, and it's not a staple of the black community. It's destructive, cliched, stereotypical, ethnically offensive, garbage.

So If rap doesn't suck prove me wrong. It does and you know it.

Before I even begin to argue this, since this is a subjective matter (preference), there cannot be any proof at all. Additionally, if there was proof in this matter, the burden of proof would be on you, since you are the one making statements. Nonetheless, I'm going to argue this point with you anyway, since to generalize as widely as you've done is ignorant.

Now then, the people who are telling you those "same responses" are right, at least somewhat. I can't speak for "back in the day", but as far as listening to the right rap goes, you must be off course.

Your argument: "It's not art."
My rebuttal: Merriam-Webster defines art as "the conscious use of skill and creative imagination especially in the production of aesthetic objects." Almost every action a person can take requires the use of some kind of skill, and anything involving words is also creative as far as their arrangement to form sentences/ideas goes. Since rapping is an action, it requires skill, and since it involves words, it is creative. Thus, rap is art. You may argue that it's a less-worthy form or art or that you don't prefer it, but it is art.

Your argument: "It's not music."
My rebuttal: Back to the dictionary. M-W says music is "the science or art of ordering tones or sounds in succession, in combination, and in temporal relationships to produce a composition having unity and continuity." All rap, to my knowledge, uses tones or sounds in succession, combination, and is unified in some manner. Even the most simple beat or line is music precisely BECAUSE it is a beat or a line of music. Notice that nowhere in the definition of music is there a requirement for melody or sung vocals. Furthermore, even if it WAS a requirement that an instrumental melody be present in music, many rappers use real instruments in their music for the beauty of melody and harmony.

Your argument: "It's not a staple of the black community."
My rebuttal: This isn't relevant to anything else you've mentioned. That's like saying that you hate sushi and then saying it isn't a staple of the Asian community. The merits of something can't be decided by who else likes it (although sometimes, but not here, it's a helpful guide).

Your argument: "It's destructive."
My rebuttal: It's hard to argue against this because you haven't mentioned ANY reason why it's supposedly destructive. In a broad sense, though, saying rap is destructive makes as much sense as saying rock is destructive. Both genres certainly have artists and songs that could be considered destructive in one way or another, but a genre that is effectively defined as spoken-word pieces performed over musical arrangements seems no more inherently destructive than a genre involving multiple instruments played simultaneously with a singing vocalist.

Your argument: "It's cliched, stereotypical."
My rebuttal: Again, this can be applied to any genre. Bands such as Nickelback and Creed routinely go through rock cliches and put out generic rock albums. Each genre has their cliched artists because there will always be someone trying to ride on the coattails of another's success. It's a fact of commercial art in general.

Your argument: "It's ethnically offensive."
My rebuttal: While it is true that there are some artists who push the issue of ethnicity to extremes, often involving terms they themselves deem "racist" when used by others, this is not a universal rap truth. I have never once been offended by rap I've chosen to listen to, but again, I listen to "the right stuff."

To anyone who thinks rap is just the generic, hackneyed shlock you hear on the radio, give these artists a spin:

Aesop Rock
alias
Atmosphere
Eyedea
Buck 65
Cage
El-P
Sage Francis

If nothing in that list strikes a chord with you, you either didn't listen closely enough to the lyrics, don't care about lyrics, or just really don't care for rap. However, no matter if you enjoy them or not, each one of those artists has written deep, thoughtful music that reflects on serious issues. I love well-written music of all kinds, but for those of you who are still getting over the "I don't like the _____ genre" thing, I bet one of those artists up there will hit home.

[nathanp]

If nothing in that list strikes a chord with you, you either didn't listen closely enough to the lyrics, don't care about lyrics, or just really don't care for rap. However, no matter if you enjoy them or not, each one of those artists has written deep, thoughtful music that reflects on serious issues. I love well-written music of all kinds, but for those of you who are still getting over the "I don't like the _____ genre" thing, I bet one of those artists up there will hit home.

Cosigned, much respect, well written rebuttle.

[newwaytodie]

Your argument: "It's not art."
My rebuttal: Merriam-Webster defines art as "the conscious use of skill and creative imagination especially in the production of aesthetic objects." Almost every action a person can take requires the use of some kind of skill, and anything involving words is also creative as far as their arrangement to form sentences/ideas goes. Since rapping is an action, it requires skill, and since it involves words, it is creative. Thus, rap is art. You may argue that it's a less-worthy form or art or that you don't prefer it, but it is art.

the key word here is skill. You have to define what skill is, and if that choice is left up to the individual, anything can be art. I took a crap this morning, and it took a little skill to get it out. Therefore my **** was art.


Your argument: "It's not music."
My rebuttal: Back to the dictionary. M-W says music is "the science or art of ordering tones or sounds in succession, in combination, and in temporal relationships to produce a composition having unity and continuity." All rap, to my knowledge, uses tones or sounds in succession, combination, and is unified in some manner. Even the most simple beat or line is music precisely BECAUSE it is a beat or a line of music. Notice that nowhere in the definition of music is there a requirement for melody or sung vocals. Furthermore, even if it WAS a requirement that an instrumental melody be present in music, many rappers use real instruments in their music for the beauty of melody and harmony.

Once again... nearly anything can be defined as music with dictionary definitions. A jackhammer pounding pavement outside my window can be considered music under that definition.


Your argument: "It's not a staple of the black community."
My rebuttal: This isn't relevant to anything else you've mentioned. That's like saying that you hate sushi and then saying it isn't a staple of the Asian community. The merits of something can't be decided by who else likes it (although sometimes, but not here, it's a helpful guide).

Anyone who knows anything about rap can tell you that the black community as a majority sees rap as a representation of their race. I know this is going to offend more than a few white-boy posers out there, but face it: Rap is by black people, for black people. It's sad that a lot of blacks embrace the filth that is rap and broadcast it as "theirs".


Your argument: "It's destructive."
My rebuttal: It's hard to argue against this because you haven't mentioned ANY reason why it's supposedly destructive. In a broad sense, though, saying rap is destructive makes as much sense as saying rock is destructive. Both genres certainly have artists and songs that could be considered destructive in one way or another, but a genre that is effectively defined as spoken-word pieces performed over musical arrangements seems no more inherently destructive than a genre involving multiple instruments played simultaneously with a singing vocalist.

It's destructive because it encourages easily manipulable individuals to aspire to the lifestyles put forth by these "artists".


Your argument: "It's cliched, stereotypical."
My rebuttal: Again, this can be applied to any genre. Bands such as Nickelback and Creed routinely go through rock cliches and put out generic rock albums. Each genre has their cliched artists because there will always be someone trying to ride on the coattails of another's success. It's a fact of commercial art in general.


Good point, not going to argue that. But citing other sub-par musicians to support rap is not helping your cause.


Your argument: "It's ethnically offensive."
My rebuttal: While it is true that there are some artists who push the issue of ethnicity to extremes, often involving terms they themselves deem "racist" when used by others, this is not a universal rap truth. I have never once been offended by rap I've chosen to listen to, but again, I listen to "the right stuff."

Well, it's not popular unless people listen to it, and that's what is on the radio or MTV, that's what people want. Now if we are to assume that the average rap listener supports the music that is being played on the radio & MTV, then we also must assume that the majority of rap listeners support the ideologies of the rappers, whose racism has been made quite apparent.

[lithiumkc]

Wow... I thought we established months ago how ignorant newwaytodie was. First NiN has no talent, then no rappers whatsoever have talent. And it takes no skill to use computer audio editing programs.

:rolleyes:

I can't believe you still haven't given up.

[erickOnasis412]

newwaytoadie:

i'm not going to get into a debate with you because you clearly just don't know much about hip hop and rap other than what you hear from the "ringtone rappers" and what Bill O'Reilly leads you to believe, but stop trying to argue with something that you have no knowledge about.. for example, the "skill" part - you probably have never listened to a classic Nas album full way through, so you probably wouldn't know that SOME artists actually do have skill..

i will admit, the Souljah Boys and the Crime Mobbs don't have talent writing lyrics.. but then again, it's a REGIONAL thing.. all these artists coming out of the South develop different styles of rap music, and this is what people in their region listen to.. this dance type of music.. just because i'm personally not a huge fan of it, doesn't mean that it's not music

Ishanji - great rebuttles btw.. unfortunately, there's just some people out there who will never (for SOME reason) accept rap/hip hop as a musical genre.. instead of simply NOT LISTENING to it, they feel the need to try to prove everybody who likes it wrong.. i'll never understand their ignorance

[NoD]

Suger Hill Gang, CurtisBlow, Egyptian Lover stuff good but today's suff I can't get into.