No PS3 export till 11/12

[Doom878]

I have a PS3 and I"m LAUGHING MY ASS OFF.

http://www.rockband.com/lego-export

[McNoob]

Is it just a PS3 thing? And anyway, that sucks.

[Stig_the_Pig]

REALLY, WTF IS THIS????,,

can't they just do everything at the same time?
this is just the same thing as the freaking patch, that still isn't out!

[stormstar1]

No PS3 export huh? Not sure what that means, but hey, I'll figure it out eventually! I, too have a PS3, but am on Rock Band on the Wii (I have 1 game for my PS3; Elder Scrolls IV Oblivion)
Gamertag is stormstar1 if you want to add me.

[Kidmitt]

In a few hours I'll be too busy playing the actual game on my PS3 to be laughing.

[skyttskytt]

Will give me time to get trophies at least. I'm picking up like 6 games today including this one. My wallet is crying already.

[sidman69]

well i am not buying the game now. I was planning on exporting and then using the disc as a coaster.

[folkeye]

I wish they'd let us know why, instead of just when. I'm sure it'd make a lot of people feel better.

[Doom878]

To clarify since I didn't want to get ninja'd, I know about 35125253 posts about Microsoft screwing PS3 owners, HMX hates PS3's, etc so I thought it was freaking hilarious since so many will get riled up. Me personally, I'll probably get the game next pay check anyways. :D On to Queen!!!

[Mex]

Why would having to wait 9 days make someone not buy the game now?

I do not understand.

[Jdurgit]

I would have waited until next week to pick it up when Pay-Day comes that Friday instead of getting the game today, then planning on exporting it for a party this weekend. Looks like I'll have to remove those songs from my RB2 list.

[Numanoid]

Sweet. Sorry for you PS3 guys, but I get to export today.

[wesjett08]

OMG...you have to wait a week to export...End of the world I guess?

[folkeye]

Why would having to wait 9 days make someone not buy the game now?

I do not understand.

Don't know. It's disappointing, yes...

[folkeye]

OMG...you have to wait a week to export...End of the world I guess?

Come now, it's MORE than a week :p

[skyttskytt]

Why would having to wait 9 days make someone not buy the game now?

I do not understand.

Because the actual export download may not have been uploaded to the servers to be ready by this upcoming Thursday, hence, we wait til the following Thursday. It's a freaking week, and not going to kill anyone.

[Kidmitt]

This thread is very much lacking of a poster named Flawless.

[Stig_the_Pig]

It's not only this that bothers me, it's ALWAYS the same...

patch, now this, only rb2 for xbox here in belgium, so i HAVE TO import the game from the USA

[Kidmitt]

Because the actual export download may not have been uploaded to the servers to be ready by this upcoming Thursday, hence, we wait til the following Thursday. It's a freaking week, and not going to kill anyone.

Admittedly it is somewhat odd. Games have had release date DLC before. GHWT even had DLC before the game was released. Did someone forget to upload it on time?

[Jdurgit]

The frustration is that there was never any notice that PS3 users wouldn't be able to export the songs until 9 days after release. Nothing. I wouldn't have killed them to make an announcement about this earlier. They deserve all of these enraged knee-jerk reactions posts that will flood these forums for the next week.

[thrillhouse987]

Because the actual export download may not have been uploaded to the servers to be ready by this upcoming Thursday, hence, we wait til the following Thursday. It's a freaking week, and not going to kill anyone.

But they also managed to have the export download ready for Xbox today... There is no reason that it can't be up for this Thursday seeing as they knew it was going to release on this date like a month ago.

Perhaps the only justification for this will be that there is a patch for RB2 coming out between now and Nov. 12.

Obviously its only a week, but little things like this have been adding up for quite some time, and its pretty annoying since I have no interest in playing the actual Lego game.

[aspiring]

Doesnt bother me as i wont even have the game until next week (stupid importing!) but man this sucks lol. I would love to know why this is. You say it wont be ready to submit by this Thursday. Why? It should already be there. As i said i wont have the game until next week so i dont care, and im sure plenty of other people wont care either as they will enjoy playing it for a short while, but really, this is stupid and i am starting to get really tired of this. I get really excited, cant wait, only for SOMETHING, and it is always something that happens to the PS3 version. Just for once i want it to happen to the 360 owners to hear them complain, and feel what as a PS owner, i feel.

[Parodygm]

It strikes me as odd even given the typical "next Thursday" mantra. November 5th makes sense, the 12th seems... slack. Unless it's a design decision across all consoles.

Either way, hardly a deal breaker. In the meantime there's a fully functional game in it's own right to be played. I seriously doubt there'd be that massive a PS3 population of people who've ripped the disc and eschewed playing the Lego game itself for a week or two anyway.

[skyttskytt]

But they also managed to have the export download ready for Xbox today... There is no reason that it can't be up for this Thursday seeing as they knew it was going to release on this date like a month ago.

The Xbox Marketplace updates daily. The people running the NA PSN store update "when they feel like it," it just so happens that tends to coincide with Thursdays most of the time. They're some of the least reliable people I've ever had to deal with on a regular basis. Who knows how long in advance they needed the files to get them up by this upcoming Thursday, it could have been a day earlier than the files were given to them.

[Hysteria]

It would have been nice if it was available this week but I'd rather have the game and wait a week to export then have to wait a full month like we had for RB2.

[Jdurgit]

But they also managed to have the export download ready for Xbox today... There is no reason that it can't be up for this Thursday seeing as they knew it was going to release on this date like a month ago.

Perhaps the only justification for this will be that there is a patch for RB2 coming out between now and Nov. 12.

Obviously its only a week, but little things like this have been adding up for quite some time, and its pretty annoying since I have no interest in playing the actual Lego game.

Some really good points there. All of this frustration could have easily been avoided if HMX spent two seconds typing an announcement that said "Upon release, the export will not yet be available for PS3 users".

[Mex]

Oh I think it's lame too I was just wondering why someone would not buy the game at all because of this. Waiting until it's exportable makes sense though.

I'll probably buy it today anyway, get my Trophies and then export when it's available.

[Doc_SoCal]

10 days... oh the humanity...

Or is that a Manatee?

In any event, its means.... nothing.... just something else for the Lets_Complain_Club to complain about.

I wonder if HMX sits around the office and LOL as the boundary of what people will wig out about gets further and further beyond the scope of real issues.

Imagine, no food for 10 days, you would still survive but THAT would be rough.

No export for 10 days for a game you can still play to your hearts content?

WhoopDeFrigginDo.

[davidshek]

There is no reason that it can't be up for this Thursday seeing as they knew it was going to release on this date like a month ago.

Clearly there IS a reason that it can't be up for this Thursday, since well, it won't be. So saying that there is no reason is ridiculous.

When Sony decides to update their store is not HMX's fault. You want to rant? Go rail against your console manufacturer.

[folkeye]

10 days... oh the humanity...

Or is that a Manatee?

In any event, its means.... nothing.... just something else for the Lets_Complain_Club to complain about.

I wonder if HMX sits around the office and LOL as the boundary of what people will wig out about gets further and further beyond the scope of real issues.

Imagine, no food for 10 days, you would still survive but THAT would be rough.

No export for 10 days for a game you can still play to your hearts content?

WhoopDeFrigginDo.

From these posts we're learning more and more people aren't interested in playing the Lego Game at all, just the music.

[Jdurgit]

10 days... oh the humanity...

Or is that a Manatee?

In any event, its means.... nothing.... just something else for the Lets_Complain_Club to complain about.

I wonder if HMX sits around the office and LOL as the boundary of what people will wig out about gets further and further beyond the scope of real issues.

Imagine, no food for 10 days, you would still survive but THAT would be rough.

No export for 10 days for a game you can still play to your hearts content?

WhoopDeFrigginDo.


Again, it's NOT the wait. It's the not being told about it until we see everybody else on HMX's preferred Console getting the full functionality of the game while we are, once AGAIN, told to go sod off and you'll get it when you get it.

It's the constant "inferior children" attitude that is getting really frustrating.

And for all the people who are going "Boo-****ing-hoo", it must be nice to be a 360 player and get preferential treatment all the time.

[thrillhouse987]

Clearly there IS a reason that it can't be up for this Thursday, since well, it won't be. So saying that there is no reason is ridiculous.

When Sony decides to update their store is not HMX's fault. You want to rant? Go rail against your console manufacturer.

Except that they've updated every Thursday for 2 years.... which is why we get DLC on Thursdays, which is fine.

If the files were submitted at the same time (which made them available today for Xbox), why wouldn't it be ready at the exact same time. A good reason would suffice, but we probably won't be given any.

[skyttskytt]

Again, it's NOT the wait. It's the not being told about it until we see everybody else on HMX's preferred Console getting the full functionality of the game while we are, once AGAIN, told to go sod off and you'll get it when you get it.

It's the constant "inferior children" attitude that is getting really frustrating.

And for all the people who are going "Boo-****ing-hoo", it must be nice to be a 360 player and get preferential treatment all the time.

Well, that linked website didn't have an input section until today. There was nothing posted about the delay until recently, so for the sake of my own sanity, I'm giving Harmonix the benefit of the doubt and assuming they may not have known until today that the files wouldn't be available right away. It's largely on Sony to get our stuff in a manner that it becomes available for download. Yes, Harmonix has to give them the files, but beyond that, it's Sony, and the NA store in particular seems to have very inefficient and ineffective workers.

[aspiring]

I can give you a reason. Its not ready. That must be all because you are right. They can get the DLC to Sony in time but not this? Its the only reason, which is piss poor. I mean they have known for AGES that it will export and the release date. So WTF have they been doing?

And to make it worse you get these 360 owners coming in trying to shoot you down or stick up for them. Just once i want it to happen to them, and watch the epic meltdowns. Bet it wouldnt be so easy than would it?

[zachman3000]

This sucks because I was hoping to have the songs in RB2 for a RB night I am having this friday.

So either we can go without 2/3rds of my DLC list, but gain access to a bunch of mainstream hits, or get all my DLC but miss songs like Swing, Swing and Let's Dance.

HMX, please stop screwing the PS3 over! You weren't this bad last year!

As an interesting note, the PS3 version of L:RB is missing the EXPORT button on the music store. So this isn't just a "oh the songs aren't ready" thing.

[Se7en082]

It would have been nice for this to be up today or at least this Thursday. You can't play this game online. The only thing you can actually do "online" is buy dlc. Pretty disappointing, but I knew that coming in. The only thing I wanted to do was export and get online with friends.

It does seem PS3 owners always get the short end of the stick when it comes to Harmonix. Hell, even the dlc of Dragon Age Origins is up and the game came out today as well. This could have been avoided by uploading ahead of time. I'm a Harmonix fan and buy/love all their games. But you really have to call it like you see it.

[bmaninc]

Even simple things they screw up for the PS3.

[Doc_SoCal]

The same people would be up in arms if the exportability was rushed and did not go smoothly.

The same people would find something else to complain about if it was not this.

Some people like to complain, thats fine.

Go nutty.

I am sure it does not hurt anyone at HMX's feelings any more than it does mine.

I respect everyones right to be whomever they choose to be.

That being said, I will ALWAYS point out a perspective with less doom and gloom and people will hate me for it, thats cool too....

Hate makes me Strong_Like_Bull... I eat hate for breakfast and spit out rainbows.

[KBelanger]

As a PS3 user, I'm disappointed but I have a feeling this is an issue related to Playstation and not Harmonix. Oh well, 9 days isn't so bad.
I wasn't planning on playing the game. Now, I'll play it for a week. Who knows? Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised.

[bmaninc]

Doc, same old answers.

"People would be mad if they rushed it"

The Xbox always gets their stuff on time. Doesn't seem to be a problem. Maybe making the PS3 a priority would be a good thing, instead of "we'll finish it after the 360 is done."

[TrueLink]

I would have to assume it's because we don't have our patch yet. To which I say, 'Why the heck not!' It's been over a freaking month! There is no way Sony's certification process can take that long!

[Death50]

I do know that the people with 360's are not complaing, though I hardly hear them complain either (I wonder why [sarcasim]). I just keep looking at the Wii verson and it makes me feel a lot better as a PS3 user.

Though to some 360 people who mock or laugh at those who complain you really have no right to do so because I'm sure if your system was always getting left behind or delayed you would be complaing to, so stop trying to make it seem like it's no big deal. This few extra days may seem like nothing but when you pile on, not having RBN, no patch and whatever other problems. This is like salt in the wound.

But again... I look at the Wii verson and it gives me some kind of happyness.

[aspiring]

Doc, same old answers.

"People would be mad if they rushed it"

The Xbox always gets their stuff on time. Doesn't seem to be a problem.

This is exactly right. And i wonder why? Its a load of crap, and every other dev can manage to do it on both platforms, except HMX.

[QB8Young]

:( WAAAHHHHH!!! I will be adding this to the list of items the PS3 has had to wait for. Hey, at least we aren't the redheaded stepchild that is the Wii. Plus this extra 10 days gives me time to complete the story mode and get the trophies.

[aspiring]

Yeah as i said i wont even have the game until next week, its just the principal. This is just wrong, and its always SOMETHING!

[T-Hybrid]

I was just wondering when we'd get YET ANOTHER THREAD about this.

[bmaninc]

Damn, Hybrid. I didn't know you were promoted to mod. When did it happen? :rolleyes:

[T-Hybrid]

Damn, Hybrid. I didn't know you were promoted to mod. When did it happen? :rolleyes:
Where did I claim to be a mod?

Oh, because I think this thread is worthless? Sorry, that's just a forum user getting bored of people trolling up console wars.

[Mex]

Well I just bought the game. I have no problem waiting a few days to export. It just gives me more time to find someone who will buy this disc off of me :D

[bmaninc]

So what we're saying isn't true?

Why is it that PS3 users complaining about things that have actually happened a console war?

I have nothing bad to say about the 360.

[aggiesrul8]

360 users complain when their DLC isn't up at 4:00 EST on the dot on Tuesday morning. (Nobody saw the thread when today's DLC wasn't up??? Don't turn a blind eye now... ;))

As a PS3 user, I think I would complain if someone didn't complain about where our DLC was on Thursday afternoon.

Just the nature of it I guess..... ;)

[bmaninc]

For the record:

I was never going to buy L:RB.
I don't care about anything in the patch.

Its the principle that the PS3 consistently either gets things late or doesn't get them at all.

[Doom878]

This thread isn't useless, the responses are. I was the first to break the news since I got the tweet that the export site was up and checked it out. My OP correctly predicted the aftermath. :D

[Jdurgit]

I do know that the people with 360's are not complaing, though I hardly hear them complain either (I wonder why [sarcasim]). I just keep looking at the Wii verson and it makes me feel a lot better as a PS3 user.

Though to some 360 people who mock or laugh at those who complain you really have no right to do so because I'm sure if your system was always getting left behind or delayed you would be complaing to, so stop trying to make it seem like it's no big deal. This few extra days may seem like nothing but when you pile on, not having RBN, no patch and whatever other problems. This is like salt in the wound.

But again... I look at the Wii verson and it gives me some kind of happyness.


But at least HMX told the Wii users how they were being left behind a long time ago. They always try to tell the PS3 users that they are treated the same way as 360 users, then lie to our faces. I find it VERY hard to believe that HMX had ZERO idea about the delay. Again, a simple "Something happened and the PS3 won't get to export until the 12th" would have been respectful to the PS3 only users.

[bmaninc]

"Something" shouldn't happen every single time.

[Doc_SoCal]

This thread needs a soundtrack. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aItpjF5vXc)

[bmaninc]

I still find it funny that 360 users come in here and tell us to suck it up.

Then, a lot of those same people complain when their DLC is an hour late.

[jrinck]

I was probably going to pick this up today, and, honestly, import directly into RB2, but now I guess there's no need.

DJ Hero is taking up my time, anyway. Maybe I'll get back to LRB at some point, who knows... the impulse is gone.

[KongWen]

I rented this hoping to snag the export code and get the songs into my RB2 (yeah yeah, but Blockbuster doesn't want the code, and if I didn't get it then some other chump like me would have).

I was surprised that it's actually a pretty good game in its own right. Lots to do/buy. But if they don't release the export info till the 12th, I'm going to have to keep the game a couple days late.

My question is this: are the export-songs downloaded from a server, or ripped from the disc? In other words, do I need the disc to download the songs, or just the code? If I only need the code I can return the game on time and get the songs when they're released.

[Grannd]

PS3 gets shafted ONCE AGAIN.

I really hope Harmonix is getting a lot of money out of their deals with Microsoft, because then in the end this delay of everything PS3 (especially people in Europe with a PS3, see Abbey Road recently, or any major RB release except TB:RB was delayed, still no RB2 instruments etc..).
Anyway, I still hope HMX is getting a lot of money out of their deals with Microsoft so they will eventually be able to contract big names for the game, that way EU PS3 users can know that all the crap we get shoved is for the greater good of the RB platform.
If Sean is just using the Microsoft bribe money for dance lessons I might just go kill myself for buying a PS3 and putting up with this delay **** for EVERYTHING EU PS3 related to Rock Band.

[Mex]

I rented this hoping to snag the export code and get the songs into my RB2 (yeah yeah, but Blockbuster doesn't want the code, and if I didn't get it then some other chump like me would have).

I was surprised that it's actually a pretty good game in its own right. Lots to do/buy. But if they don't release the export info till the 12th, I'm going to have to keep the game a couple days late.

My question is this: are the export-songs downloaded from a server, or ripped from the disc? In other words, do I need the disc to download the songs, or just the code? If I only need the code I can return the game on time and get the songs when they're released.

Did you actually get the seperate sheet with the code on it when you rented?? That's surprising.

[Doc_SoCal]

PS3 gets shafted ONCE AGAIN.

Shaft Rules! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAa5rP64YbQ)

:cool:

[princeofcups]

When Sony decides to update their store is not HMX's fault. You want to rant? Go rail against your console manufacturer.

Grrr. Because we know that Tuesday is the magical day that all DLC has to be released. HMX bends over time and again to accommodate deficiencies in the XBox platform, they could easily make this one exception for the PS3 crowd and release everything on Thursdays at the same time.

The two day gap does exactly what it is supposed to. Annoy a small amount of potential PS3 buyers to get XBox instead. Microsoft does this across the board. Every dirty trick they can pull.

[Death50]

But at least HMX told the Wii users how they were being left behind a long time ago. They always try to tell the PS3 users that they are treated the same way as 360 users, then lie to our faces. I find it VERY hard to believe that HMX had ZERO idea about the delay. Again, a simple "Something happened and the PS3 won't get to export until the 12th" would have been respectful to the PS3 only users.

I agree, some people make HMX seem like they have nothing to do with anything that is bad.

[princeofcups]

PS3 gets shafted ONCE AGAIN.

I really hope Harmonix is getting a lot of money out of their deals with Microsoft, because then in the end this delay of everything PS3 (especially people in Europe with a PS3, see Abbey Road recently, or any major RB release except TB:RB was delayed, still no RB2 instruments etc..).
Anyway, I still hope HMX is getting a lot of money out of their deals with Microsoft so they will eventually be able to contract big names for the game, that way EU PS3 users can know that all the crap we get shoved is for the greater good of the RB platform.
If Sean is just using the Microsoft bribe money for dance lessons I might just go kill myself for buying a PS3 and putting up with this delay **** for EVERYTHING EU PS3 related to Rock Band.

What he said. :-)

[Baanu_Rass]

Bookmarked for the next time people claim the PS3 doesn't get screwed.


Grrr. Because we know that Tuesday is the magical day that all DLC has to be released. HMX bends over time and again to accommodate deficiencies in the XBox platform, they could easily make this one exception for the PS3 crowd and release everything on Thursdays at the same time.

Pretty much every type of media is released on Tuesdays. Like CDs. Which HMX does tie-ins with.

[sillystou]

This thread made me lol in RL.

[aspiring]

I would love to hear what Henry or Sean have to say on this matter. It would probably be some standed copy/paste crap about something but would be nice nontheless.

[Grannd]

Also it's not a PSN Store thing, it's a download code for a track export.
Almost all beta's I've been in that required a code got released on a different day or time than the regular PSN Store update, SOCOM, MAG, Uncharted 2 those were all CODE downloadables that you didn't need to wait for the PSN Store to update to download.
And if it IS a PSN Store thing, why isn't there THIS thursday, but NEXT week?

[THRIZZLE]

I have a PS3 and I"m LAUGHING MY ASS OFF.

http://www.rockband.com/lego-export

That is all you can do. I didn't expect anything less. Playstation always gets the shaft. I have learned to accept it...:(

[sonicnerd23]

Aw, this sucks. I mean, it's not like I WANTED this game just for the export (it looks really well made), but it would be nice to integrate them into the core platform of RB2 the day it came out, let alone on Thursday. Why a whole week?

I wish someone from HMX would clear this up.

[Bobman32x]

the only thing this does is put a damnper in my plans to rent and export.

however, you people are all over reacting. oooo so no exportation for a week. you know you can ummm... PLAY THE GAME?

[sillystou]

This thread made me lol in RL.

Oh, and I'm a PS3 user.

[Jdurgit]

the only thing this does is put a damnper in my plans to rent and export.

however, you people are all over reacting. oooo so no exportation for a week. you know you can ummm... PLAY THE GAME?

Again, it's NOT about the weeklong wait. That isn't the annoying thing. It's the fact that Harmonix knew about this well in advance (how else would they have the website up with the date of 11/12), but didn't say one single thing. Add this to the delays for everything PS3 related and the exclusive content given to X-Box 360 users all the time, and PS3 users are just getting sick of getting crapped on. At least the Wii users knew well in advance what they were not getting. PS3 users just always get blindsided and then the HMX fanboy's come out claiming that they didn't do anything wrong and that we're just "whining". Meanwhile, they boot up their 360's and have no problems at all because the biggest problem they've ever had on their console is having to wait until 4:00 A.M. on a Tuesday morning to get their DLC.

Oh yeah, thus far Harmonix seems to be the only company having trouble with releases on PS3s. Must be weighed down by all the money MS is giving them.

[DarkEternal37]

This thread isn't useless, the responses are. I was the first to break the news since I got the tweet that the export site was up and checked it out. My OP correctly predicted the aftermath. :D

http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=171293&page=2

Yeah you sure were the first when I posted that it was 11/12 in this thread 34 minutes before this thread was up. Thanks and drive on to the next window.

[aspiring]

Again, it's NOT about the weeklong wait. That isn't the annoying thing. It's the fact that Harmonix knew about this well in advance (how else would they have the website up with the date of 11/12), but didn't say one single thing. Add this to the delays for everything PS3 related and the exclusive content given to X-Box 360 users all the time, and PS3 users are just getting sick of getting crapped on. At least the Wii users knew well in advance what they were not getting. PS3 users just always get blindsided and then the HMX fanboy's come out claiming that they didn't do anything wrong and that we're just "whining". Meanwhile, they boot up their 360's and have no problems at all because the biggest problem they've ever had on their console is having to wait until 4:00 A.M. on a Tuesday morning to get their DLC.

Oh yeah, thus far Harmonix seems to be the only company having trouble with releases on PS3s. Must be weighed down by all the money MS is giving them.

.

[Grannd]

I would love to hear what Henry or Sean have to say on this matter. It would probably be some standed copy/paste crap about something but would be nice nontheless.

They won't say anything other than 'we always try for an equal approach to all platforms', while actually Xbox 360 has been favoured since the beginning.

RB launch in Europe
RB2 launch in Europe
Lack of RB2 instruments
No RBN for PS3
Weeks delay of Abbey Road
Delay of star-sorting patch
Delay of Lego Rock Band exportability

All of the above had no other explanations than 'we try to have all platforms be equal, stay updated for the latest news'.
Don't get me wrong, we DO get all the stuff EVENTUALLY (although I doubt we'll get RBN), but the main problem that gets everybody aggrevated is the fact that HMX keeps insisting they try to get everything equal for all the consoles, while obviously they aren't really trying, and on top of that they don't share any info on when we DO get everything which makes it even more annoying not knowing if things are going to happen or not.

[Baanu_Rass]

No RBN for PS3

Isn't this caused by a lack of indie dev infrastructure on the PS3 end?

[bmaninc]

Also, they chose to do RBN on a program that only works with the 360. There ARE other programs.

(Don't care about this at all, just saying, there are.)

[gosox333]

Man, a warning would have been nice....

[Groudon199]

the biggest problem [360 users have] ever had on their console is having to wait until 4:00 A.M. on a Tuesday morning to get their DLC.

You could not be more wrong. Several times, DLC hadn't appeared on the marketplace when it normally does for whatever reason (it eventually appeared, but not for several hours). Each time, HMX had no idea the DLC wasn't on the marketplace at 5 AM (Eastern time), but they always resolved it.

I'm sorry if you lack patience, but you'll have to deal with the "delay" in exporting LRB on PS3.

[Death50]

Please, we got an offical anwser it would just be an excuse. It's always an excuse, either be it because the PS3/Sony for whatever reason are not able to do something that the 360 can or it has to get worked out to be formated to the PS3

Personally I'm tired of the excuse and they are not very good excuses at that because they can still pick to release everything at the same time but they don't.

[aspiring]

They won't say anything other than 'we always try for an equal approach to all platforms', while actually Xbox 360 has been favoured since the beginning.

RB launch in Europe
RB2 launch in Europe
Lack of RB2 instruments
No RBN for PS3
Weeks delay of Abbey Road
Delay of star-sorting patch
Delay of Lego Rock Band exportability

All of the above had no other explanations than 'we try to have all platforms be equal, stay updated for the latest news'.
Don't get me wrong, we DO get all the stuff EVENTUALLY (although I doubt we'll get RBN), but the main problem that gets everybody aggrevated is the fact that HMX keeps insisting they try to get everything equal for all the consoles, while obviously they aren't really trying, and on top of that they don't share any info on when we DO get everything which makes it even more annoying not knowing if things are going to happen or not.



Yeah but forget Europe. There the smart ones. They got burnt once and gave the big finger to HMX. Have a look at RB sales from any game. Even The Beatles bombed hard over there. Than when you factor in that the PS3 is selling double what the 360 is weekly since the price drop (and the 360 was only outselling it when it dropped to like 99 pounds or whatever) and you release it exclusive on that platform, late mind you, what do you expect.

What i am trying to say though is HMX is just hurting themselves. With music games in a sales decline, coupled with the fact that HMX is screwing over a big chunk of there userbase, eventually it will bite them.

[sonicnerd23]

Again, it's NOT about the weeklong wait. That isn't the annoying thing. It's the fact that Harmonix knew about this well in advance (how else would they have the website up with the date of 11/12), but didn't say one single thing. Add this to the delays for everything PS3 related and the exclusive content given to X-Box 360 users all the time, and PS3 users are just getting sick of getting crapped on. At least the Wii users knew well in advance what they were not getting. PS3 users just always get blindsided and then the HMX fanboy's come out claiming that they didn't do anything wrong and that we're just "whining". Meanwhile, they boot up their 360's and have no problems at all because the biggest problem they've ever had on their console is having to wait until 4:00 A.M. on a Tuesday morning to get their DLC.

*clap*

[Jdurgit]

Simple solution to the "It takes longer for PS3". START WORKING ON THE PS3 STUFF FIRST!!!!!!!! Gee, had you uploaded this stuff to Sony weeks ago when the discs were all being pressed, you could have avoided ALL OF THIS! But no. 360 always has been and always will be the favored console. I won't be shocked at all if Rock Band 3 is an X-Box exclusive, permanently.

[Baanu_Rass]

I won't be shocked at all if Rock Band 3 is an X-Box exclusive, permanently.

Would have made this whole thing simpler if they'd done that from the start.

[TrueLink]

NO! Don't say it, you might tempt them!

[Death50]

Would have made this whole thing simpler if they'd done that from the start.

Yeah bet they will pull that crap again and make it exlusive for 6 months this time.

[Jdurgit]

Would have made this whole thing simpler if they'd done that from the start.

Indeed it would have!

[Zephiel]

I wasn't planning on buying the export until there was a slow DLC week anyway (and Foo is definately not slow).

I'll be too busy enjoying the game to worry about it.

[Jdurgit]

You could not be more wrong. Several times, DLC hadn't appeared on the marketplace when it normally does for whatever reason (it eventually appeared, but not for several hours). Each time, HMX had no idea the DLC wasn't on the marketplace at 5 AM (Eastern time), but they always resolved it.

I'm sorry if you lack patience, but you'll have to deal with the "delay" in exporting LRB on PS3.

Thank you for proving my point in full!

[Death50]

You know though I'm not a big fan of Guitar Hero (I own III) at least they do something magical like treat the PS3 the same...

I know, it's unheard of and it makes Guitar Hero horrible compared to HMX [sarcasim]

[Baanu_Rass]

Indeed it would have!

Too bad it's too late. The amount of negative PR from making RB3 360 only would be enough to sink a Montana-class.

[Soratar]

seriously? Why?

[sonicnerd23]

You could not be more wrong. Several times, DLC hadn't appeared on the marketplace when it normally does for whatever reason (it eventually appeared, but not for several hours). Each time, HMX had no idea the DLC wasn't on the marketplace at 5 AM (Eastern time), but they always resolved it.

I'm sorry if you lack patience, but you'll have to deal with the "delay" in exporting LRB on PS3.

But see, that's one of the only issues you had to deal with, DLC delays.

[Jdurgit]

Too bad it's too late. The amount of negative PR from making RB3 360 only would be enough to sink a Montana-class.

It's not too late. PS3 users are already starting to realize what HMX thinks of their console, and MS is shoving so much money down HMX's back that if they were to finally just say "PS3 is no longer being supported", MS would cover the tiny loss they'd suffer from having all the PS3 users move over to Guitar Hero.

[dragonflyr]

You could not be more wrong. Several times, DLC hadn't appeared on the marketplace when it normally does for whatever reason (it eventually appeared, but not for several hours). Each time, HMX had no idea the DLC wasn't on the marketplace at 5 AM (Eastern time), but they always resolved it.

I'm sorry if you lack patience, but you'll have to deal with the "delay" in exporting LRB on PS3.

PS3 users would be ecstatic if their delays were "several hours".

"impatient" ... well .. i dunno.
I'm not screaming about it, but it is just another instance of the PS3 getting 2nd billing on something. It certainly adds to the perception of being treated like a redheaded step-child.

it's kinda funny how a lot of people are saying .. "just play the game and quit crying", meanwhile they've exported it today.

so ... yeah .. it does add to the aggravation that PS3 users often feel.

[Death50]

If I hear that whenever RockBand3 comes out and 360 gets an exlusive peroid, I will not buy RB3. I will be done with Rockband at that point to be honest.

At least Activison treats all of their customers better.

[Jdurgit]

I REALLY feel bad for the people who are so excited about having the songs on their RB2 PS3 game that they go to the website, enter the code, then wind up getting an X-Box 360 key and thereby make it impossible to get a proper PS3 key whenever they decide to release them. (If you actually believe that HMX will make the codes available on the 12th, you're very naive).

[SamCrow]

people keep saying "it's only a week". Well i don't care. How would you feel if you went out to dinner and no matter how much money you spend on there product they give you table scraps while the other side of the room gets the steak and potatoes. I'm really pissed. It's obvious HMX can't care less about there loyal PS3 users so why should i give another dime to this company. Was going to buy the Lego today because of a RB party i'm having this weekend. Now all the songs i told people would be there will not be because HMX has to kiss that big shiny Microsoft ass

[WhizKidRaven]

For you fellow PS3 players, did you notice that a BUNCH of songs that you already have show up as not purchased in the store? It looks like if you buy the pack and any song in the pack doesn't make the filter, the rest of the pack doesn't make it through...can someone confirm this?!

[Jdurgit]

If I hear that whenever RockBand3 comes out and 360 gets an exlusive peroid, I will not buy RB3. I will be done with Rockband at that point to be honest.

At least Activison treats all of their customers better.

Same here. I already own a bunch of Guitar Hero games, and while I really don't like the gameplay of GH, I don't feel like I'm getting shafted by them just because I don't own the console that they are in bed with.

[aggiesrul8]

I can see/predict the future if RB3 had an exclusive period for 360....

PS3er's threatening litigation while the 360er's claiming that us PS3er's and Wiier's should quit complaining and suck it up. I mean, we would have TB: RB and L: RB to play, right?

[sonicnerd23]

I REALLY feel bad for the people who are so excited about having the songs on their RB2 PS3 game that they go to the website, enter the code, then wind up getting an X-Box 360 key and thereby make it impossible to get a proper PS3 key whenever they decide to release them. (If you actually believe that HMX will make the codes available on the 12th, you're very naive).

Hey, man, the Backspacer thing was entirely different.

[playmike]

If I hear that whenever RockBand3 comes out and 360 gets an exlusive peroid, I will not buy RB3. I will be done with Rockband at that point to be honest.

At least Activison treats all of their customers better.

You know that's a lie. I find it hard to believe anyone would ever go back to paying for a new disk every few months.

[Lapoisse]

Wait wait wait ... is there a number provided with the game that you need to unlock the export key ? Or is it just like RB1, where as long as you have the CD and the purchased export key, you can do the export ?

Please enlighten me, because this will make the difference between a rental and a purchase.

[Jdurgit]

Hey, man, the Backspacer thing was entirely different.

I know that, but there are lots of people who will go to the website to get the export code and may end up glossing over the fact that PS3 users can't export. I would only pray that HMX was smart and didn't make the codes inserted in the PS3 versions valid on their website yet.

[Santa Claustrophobia]

people keep saying "it's only a week". Well i don't care. How would you feel if you went out to dinner and no matter how much money you spend on there product they give you table scraps while the other side of the room gets the steak and potatoes. I'm really pissed. It's obvious HMX can't care less about there loyal PS3 users so why should i give another dime to this company. Was going to buy the Lego today because of a RB party i'm having this weekend. Now all the songs i told people would be there will not be because HMX has to kiss that big shiny Microsoft ass

Clearly you would've wasted your money by buying a full game with all new content. Man, table scraps suck...

[T-Hybrid]

At least Activison treats all of their customers better.
Except for the lack of real DLC support, the constant stream of artist discs, and the inept "export" feature that doesn't even get all of the songs.

Yeah, they REALLY love you guys.

[folkeye]

For you fellow PS3 players, did you notice that a BUNCH of songs that you already have show up as not purchased in the store? It looks like if you buy the pack and any song in the pack doesn't make the filter, the rest of the pack doesn't make it through...can someone confirm this?!

Reading through the manual it says not all of your DLC will work, it has to be deemed family friendly. For finding out what works and what doesn't they say check the in game music store.

[Death50]

I can see/predict the future if RB3 had an exclusive period for 360....

PS3er's threatening litigation while the 360er's claiming that us PS3er's and Wiier's should quit complaining and suck it up. I mean, we would have TB: RB and L: RB to play, right?

Yeah and I also love after how 11 pages of this still now offical 'excuse' to go by yet to help tame us 'complaing' PS3 users.

[T-Hybrid]

I know that, but there are lots of people who will go to the website to get the export code and may end up glossing over the fact that PS3 users can't export.
Can't export yet. If you use the website incorrectly that's your own fault for not reading the stupid thing.

[bmaninc]

Clearly you would've wasted your money by buying a full game with all new content. Man, table scraps suck...

There's no value there. A mediocre story and LEGO characters. Yay.

You could say that its cheaper than DLC. Not really. There are 10 songs on-disc that I'd play with regularity. If they were DLC, I'd be paying $20. Now, I would have to pay $60 to play them in my RB2.

[Death50]

Except for the lack of real DLC support, the constant stream of artist discs, and the inept "export" feature that doesn't even get all of the songs.

Yeah, they REALLY love you guys.

DLC support only sucks because of how many games they make a bad choice yes but in a way they are still making songs. Export feature does suck I got nothing on that.

But I mean in terms of service at least there are no PS3 or 360 exlusives it all comes out at once which is how it should be and at least they seem to listen to their customers more.

I own both so I support both in their own ways.

[Jdurgit]

Can't export yet. If you use the website incorrectly that's your own fault for not reading the stupid thing.

So all the kids out there who rush to get the feature they were told was available should suffer because of it? I read the page and see that it's not available yet, but I also remember being younger when excitement outweighed better judgement, and I'd be mighty upset if something HMX did caused me to lose a feature I had paid for.

[bmaninc]

The point Death is making is not based on the quality of the product. Its based on the company treating both the 360 and PS3 EQUALLY.

[SamCrow]

Clearly you would've wasted your money by buying a full game with all new content. Man, table scraps suck...


it's a track pack to me, not a game. once exported i will never play it... so yes, table scraps

[Baanu_Rass]

There's no value there. A mediocre story and LEGO characters. Yay.

You could say that its cheaper than DLC. Not really. There are 10 songs on-disc that I'd play with regularity. If they were DLC, I'd be paying $20. Now, I would have to pay $60 to play them in my RB2.

Not to mention in Canada it is actually $60 before the export, another $10 (maybe more, does PSN scale costs to currency like XBL does?) and tax on top of all that.

[Jdurgit]

The point Death is making is not based on the quality of the product. Its based on the company treating both the 360 and PS3 EQUALLY.

Exactly. While overall they may be crapping on all console owners, at least they aren't dumping a juicy one on the PS3 owners while they fluff the pillows of the 360 users.

[dragonflyr]

Wait wait wait ... is there a number provided with the game that you need to unlock the export key ? Or is it just like RB1, where as long as you have the CD and the purchased export key, you can do the export ?

Please enlighten me, because this will make the difference between a rental and a purchase.

you gotta buy the game. posting on this forum about how you wanna jones the game will get you hammered pretty good.

buy the game. inside of case there is a piece of paper with a code on it.

[bmaninc]

Not to mention in Canada it is actually $60 before the export, another $10 (maybe more, does PSN scale costs to currency like XBL does?) and tax on top of all that.

It is? Wow. **** that.

I'll chalk the tax up to our government, nothing can be done about that. But seriously, its more expensive in Canada?

You're right. (http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=0665000FS10132175&logon=&langid=EN&dm=DEBUG)

[T-Hybrid]

...seem to listen to their customers more.
This thesis statement requires some supporting information before I'll take it with any kind of value.

How many times has Activision released a major patch to add new functionality to their games? You know, not counting the updates introduced through new titles on almost a monthly basis.

[aspiring]

well T Hybrid i am still awaiting my patch, so its at least more than what HMX has done for PS3 owners.

[bmaninc]

Hybrid, you and Death are now arguing about something completely different than the original point.

[WhizKidRaven]

Reading through the manual it says not all of your DLC will work, it has to be deemed family friendly. For finding out what works and what doesn't they say check the in game music store.

Right, but what I was asking is why songs that I have purchased show up as not purchased in the Lego Store...

For instance, I bought The Cars album, but the individual songs as I scanned through the store showed up as $1.99 and not Purchased...

[Sunsetguy]

DLC support only sucks because of how many games they make a bad choice yes but in a way they are still making songs. Export feature does suck I got nothing on that.

But I mean in terms of service at least there are no PS3 or 360 exlusives it all comes out at once which is how it should be and at least they seem to listen to their customers more.

I own both so I support both in their own ways.

Only one time I can remember PS3 user getting shafted from Activision... and that was on 3 songs on GH3... which the songs where only alright...

[T-Hybrid]

Exactly. While overall they may be crapping on all console owners, at least they aren't dumping a juicy one on the PS3 owners while they fluff the pillows of the 360 users.
That makes no sense.

"Activision treats its customers like crap, but at least it does it to everybody?"

...What?

I tell you what. If you want somebody to kick dirt in your face while you hand them money for it, give me a call and I'll do it for only $40 every 2 months instead of $60 like Activision.

[Doc_SoCal]

I tell you what. If you want somebody to kick dirt in your face while you hand them money for it, give me a call and I'll do it for only $40 every 2 months instead of $60 like Activision.

OK, THATS funny.

A discount too!

You have always been a giver T, damn nice of ya I must say.

[Transbrak]

Thats why you get a job working at a video like I do and you beat everyone.
Free game rental + $10 to export= never having to buy or pay to rent the game and all the songs for $10.
:)
Plus you get the games almost a week before everyone else.. I'm super excited for MW2:D

You have bragged about being a thief all day long. I'm glad your super excited that you like to rip people off.

You have 4 posts and their all about how much you love ripping people off. I hope someone decides to steal something from you one day so you see how it feels.

[ghostofjarjar]

It would be different if this was a first offense but it is NOT. You're telling me HMX couldn't submit the PS3 tracks or Key along with this week's DLC to Sony? Sony never has a problem getting the scheduled DLC on time and on Thursdays. This makes absolutely no sense and yet another slap in the face from HMX to PS3 owners. Sure you can try to defend them, but honestly there is NO REASON for it this time. Utterly ridiculous.

[bmaninc]

Well played, Hybrid. Well played.

[Santa Claustrophobia]

it's a track pack to me, not a game. once exported i will never play it... so yes, table scraps

That you're not buying anyway, at least not yet... I really wonder why, if you feel so abused, do you continue to give them any of your money? If waiting for 9 days is such a big deal, then why not just show how much you believe in your position by selling off all the offending material and moving your support to other games and developers?

It certainly sounds like it'd be a touch more effective than whinging on an internet forum about how persecuted you are. But hey, why do that when you can settle for the easier path?

[Lapoisse]

you gotta buy the game. posting on this forum about how you wanna jones the game will get you hammered pretty good.

buy the game. inside of case there is a piece of paper with a code on it.

There is nothing illegal about renting the game and purchasing the export key.

As the owner of RB1, RB2, TB:RB, RB:AC/DC, as well as every single song HMX has ever released in DLC, I don't feel like I'd be cheating them out of money. I have no interest in Lego musicians, is that a bad thing ? On the other hand, I am highly interested in the song list.

[folkeye]

Right, but what I was asking is why songs that I have purchased show up as not purchased in the Lego Store...

For instance, I bought The Cars album, but the individual songs as I scanned through the store showed up as $1.99 and not Purchased...

Ah, that I don't know. Haven't played yet, got to get off work first :)

[dragonflyr]

There is nothing illegal about renting the game and purchasing the export key.

As the owner of RB1, RB2, TB:RB, RB:AC/DC, as well as every single song HMX has ever released in DLC, I don't feel like I'd be cheating them out of money. I have no interest in Lego musicians, is that a bad thing ? On the other hand, I am highly interested in the song list.

there's no export key in the rental cases.. only in the store-bought cases.
so, presently, you can buy the game, export, and then trade-in/sell back to store the game.

it doesn't work like the RB1 export thing.

[dragonflyr]

i'm not gonna go running to GH with open arms over this. but, it is a drag.

[ghostofjarjar]

i'm not gonna go running to GH with open arms over this. but, it is a drag.
I'd actually be getting BH instead, clearly the better value, but I hate GH's interface.

At least its somewhat comforting to know that renters won't be able to export and I didn't buy this game for nothing.

[Baanu_Rass]

Being a fan of western music games is akin to being stuck between a rock and a pile of ****.

[KongWen]

there's no export key in the rental cases.. only in the store-bought cases.
so, presently, you can buy the game, export, and then trade-in/sell back to store the game.

it doesn't work like the RB1 export thing.

Yeah, they left the export keys in the rental case I got. Like I said, Blockbuster doesn't care. Every copy of the game comes with a key, and they're not going to use any of them, so the first people who rent the games (the people who arguably care the most about the game) are the ones who benefit. I was pumped to play the game, export or no, and I'm having fun with it right now.

[Transbrak]

And how excately am I ripping people off and stealing?
It's a perk to working where I do in getting these things..It's not my fault that you don't have these advantages.
Your green eyed monster doesn't hide very well.

I worked retail for 6 years but never considered stealing a perk :rolleyes:

Your not paying for the game yet getting the content, that's stealing.

Green eyed monster? is that thieves code for something?

[davidshek]

Again, it's NOT about the weeklong wait. That isn't the annoying thing. It's the fact that Harmonix knew about this well in advance (how else would they have the website up with the date of 11/12), but didn't say one single thing.

So by "well in advance", you mean what, an hour or two? The Export website didn't even go live until like 2 or 3 PM EST this afternoon.


Right, but what I was asking is why songs that I have purchased show up as not purchased in the Lego Store...

For instance, I bought The Cars album, but the individual songs as I scanned through the store showed up as $1.99 and not Purchased...

That's because they ARE not purchased. You purchased the pack, not the individual songs.

[Baanu_Rass]

I worked retail for 6 years but never considered stealing a perk :rolleyes:

Your not paying for the game yet getting the content, that's stealing.

Green eyed monster? is that thieves code for something?

Does it actually say anywhere that you must own the disc to do the export? Otherwise you are actually stealing from where ever it was rented from. And if his boss let him then there's nothing wrong.

Green eyed monster = classic nickname for jealousy.

[Groudon199]

Does it actually say anywhere that you must own the disc to do the export? Otherwise you are actually stealing from where ever it was rented from. And if his boss let him then there's nothing wrong.

Green eyed monster = classic nickname for jealousy.

From what I've gathered (yet to get the game), you don't need the disc to get the export key, but you need the disc to do the actual exporting.

[onduvalst]

Well I for one can wait. I've got the game to entertain me and when that gets old I'll just pop Uncharted 2 back in. I picked my console based on what was important to me not on how some independent game company would treat it opposed to another console. I don't feel shafted. I'm happy with what I have.

To me the pros out way the few cons.

[Baanu_Rass]

From what I've gathered (yet to get the game), you don't need the disc to get the export key, but you need the disc to do the actual exporting.

Having and owning are two different things. You can borrow things to legally have them but you wouldn't own them. If the store doesn't care about missing code and you didn't steal the disc then I don't think it should count as theft.

[bmaninc]

People use the advantages afforded to them all the time. If they can, go for it.

[DiabloNeonX]

This is b.s. Quit treating PS3 owners like red headed stepchildren! I really just wanted to export the songs. I don't care that much about trophies. I don't really care about the other in-game features. I just want to export. Nothing more.

This sucks.

[Se7en082]

Someone at scorehero used the code in the screenshot of the lego export page and it worked. :eek:

[Baanu_Rass]

Someone at scorehero used the code in the screenshot of the lego export page and it worked. :eek:

Fffffffffffffffffffffffffff

[Runa216]

ugh, I know it's just a week, and I have no problem waiting, since I like the lego game...but seriously? WHY? there's no logical explanation other than:

"screw PS3, they don't matter enough to get the same treatment as 360"

There's no other reason for it.

[davidshek]

Someone at scorehero used the code in the screenshot of the lego export page and it worked. :eek:

Someone at scorehero lied. That was a fake code.

[Se7en082]

Someone at scorehero lied. That was a fake code.

I see you posted there, too. Was wondering if it was like the Zine a week ago.

I'm a PS3 user waiting till next week. :mad:

[bmaninc]

I missed the Rock Band section of the forums.

A little bit more argumentative. :D

[aspiring]

So by "well in advance", you mean what, an hour or two? The Export website didn't even go live until like 2 or 3 PM EST this afternoon.





If you honestly believe that HMX only knew of the export details as the site went live you are really kidding yourself. Your a smart man, how could you honestly be so thick on the subject? Hmx knew the date for a while. They didnt wake up 2 days ago and say "hey the 3rd we should release L:RB!" They also knew probably for even longer that it was going to export, so had ample time to get it ready, not an hour or two before release. So why wouldnt the key be ready to hand to Sony? RB1 Export key was available before RB2 was released.

So again, if you really think they only knew "an hour or two" before the site went live your kidding only yourself mate. And as i said it does not bother me. My game wont come until next week, and i will play it right through before exporting, its just the principal of the matter.

[Baanu_Rass]

I missed the Rock Band section of the forums.

A little bit more argumentative. :D

Internet fights are fun when you have no stake in them, eh?

[bmaninc]

Exactly. I can poke and prod.

[Baanu_Rass]

Exactly. I can poke and prod.

Makes they day fly by. It's like trolling but without breaking the rules (I checked :D).

[bmaninc]

Not a big fan of trolling.

[Baanu_Rass]

Not a big fan of trolling.

It's like Werewolf without the lynching?

FV T Hybrid

[MattyT]

Micro$oft strikes again, I suppose.

[aspiring]

Well i dont know about that. its only a week lol :p

[DiabloNeonX]

This is more of the same. HMX just doesn't care about the PS3. Hell, when are PS3 owners going to see All You Need Is Love for TB:RB? For God's sake, it's for charity. At least PS3 owners pay in cash, not points.

To whoever said we should complain to Sony about this delay...that would be a waste of time. Their customer service plays dumb. I've called and *****ed to them in the past about how half-assed their PSN staff is, and customer service plays dumb. It would be a waste of your time.

I'm tired of being crapped on. One of the main points to the argument rings true. HMX has sworn up and down on many occasions that they're treating the 360 and PS3 equally, but many of us PS3 owners have known that to be a bold faced lie. The 360 gets preferential treatment. It has since RB1 came out. HMX doesn't do any events where you can play with them online via PSN. They do with Xbox Live.

I agree with the consensus. There is no excuse whatso-****ing-ever as to why the PS3 export feature wasn't ready today.

I love HMX and their products. That's why I don't boycott their products (unlike Activision, who I despise). But, for once, could they throw us a bone? Can we have a timed exclusive for once? I don't think that's too much to ask. HMX, can you please treat us PS3 owners like the equals you claim we are? Again, I don't think that's too much to ask.

I really didn't have much interest in the Lego Rock Band game itself. Like others, this is more or less a track pack to me. I just want to export and be done with it. Never played the AC/DC pack, or the Country pack, or the Metal pack. Bought them, exported them, now they're collecting dust. I don't have much interest in the in-game features. I could care less about trophies. I want to keep the Rock Band format, not disc swapping and other crap like that.

Whatever. It shouldn't surprise me that HMX would disappoint PS3 owners once again. It's just the principle of the matter.

[ptrdvs]

I am highly disappointed by Harmonix's lack of response in this. Their silence concern me greatly as if potentially this was made to be a 360 week exclusive. I think we should as PS3 should have been given a warning.

What people are getting mad at 360 fanboys is from getting DLC two days earlier, getting RB2 weeks in advance, getting an exclusive song for TB:RB, getting the update, and the RBN. I think those on the PS3 have a right to be agitated. I personally have spent probably close to $1500 on the RB franchise over the course of the last couple years. My interest in RB has been waning, but I continue to support RB through DLC purchases and track packs so every time I do play it's feels a little fresher, while I wait for RB3. I was very excited to pick up L:RB and give my kids something to play, while my wife and I exported. Lo and behold, PS3 got the shaft and Harmonix hasn't given us any answer why, that I have seen.

I have supported Harmonix and will continue to, but this is getting tiresome as a PS3 user. :confused::(

[aspiring]

As i said, HMX have screwed themselves in Europe, and continue to make a mess of their US fans. One day it WILL bite them in the ass. Especially when you consider that Music games are in a sales decline. A response on why it is delayed would be nice.

[Baanu_Rass]

I am highly disappointed by Harmonix's lack of response in this. Their silence concern me greatly as if potentially this was made to be a 360 week exclusive. I think we should as PS3 should have been given a warning.

What people are getting mad at 360 fanboys is from getting DLC two days earlier, getting RB2 weeks in advance, getting an exclusive song for TB:RB, getting the update, and the RBN. I think those on the PS3 have a right to be agitated. I personally have spent probably close to $1500 on the RB franchise over the course of the last couple years. My interest in RB has been waning, but I continue to support RB through DLC purchases and track packs so every time I do play it's feels a little fresher, while I wait for RB3. I was very excited to pick up L:RB and give my kids something to play, while my wife and I exported. Lo and behold, PS3 got the shaft and Harmonix hasn't given us any answer why, that I have seen.

I have supported Harmonix and will continue to, but this is getting tiresome as a PS3 user. :confused::(

RB fanboys. As a 360 fanboy (arguably) I take offense to being lumped in with them. My loyalty to my fellow Rock Banders is greater than my loyalty my Xbox though.

[onduvalst]

If you honestly believe that HMX only knew of the export details as the site went live you are really kidding yourself. Your a smart man, how could you honestly be so thick on the subject? Hmx knew the date for a while. They didnt wake up 2 days ago and say "hey the 3rd we should release L:RB!" They also knew probably for even longer that it was going to export, so had ample time to get it ready, not an hour or two before release. So why wouldnt the key be ready to hand to Sony? RB1 Export key was available before RB2 was released.

So again, if you really think they only knew "an hour or two" before the site went live your kidding only yourself mate. And as i said it does not bother me. My game wont come until next week, and i will play it right through before exporting, its just the principal of the matter.

Hey I think what you and everyone else is forgetting is this is a Tt game not a HMX game. We have no clue as to what HMX is or is not in control of when it comes to the export.

[bmaninc]

FV: T-Hybrid.

Do you want to write the death story? :D

[aspiring]

Yeah but HMX was in control of music licencing as well as charting etc. So i am pretty sure they also handled the export.

[Baanu_Rass]

FV: T-Hybrid.

Do you want to write the death story? :D

T-Hybrid woke up one and said "You know what? Let's go on the RB forums!" and he did. 23 months later after an intense discussion about LRB a mob got together and lynched him. He was innocent of being a wolf.

15 minutes for the wolf kill.

[Coreymyster]

I am highly disappointed by Harmonix's lack of response in this. Their silence concern me greatly as if potentially this was made to be a 360 week exclusive. I think we should as PS3 should have been given a warning.


I agree completely, and It's not a big deal while it's only a week and we still get the game anyway. But HMX has by far the absolute worst PR of any company I have ever seen by far. It's embarrassing and completely unprofessional on their part that they jut hide in a corner while we all argue about their situations.

[Baanu_Rass]

Wolves kill Mex.

I've gotta step out, anyone want to mod for me?

[onduvalst]

I agree completely, and It's not a big deal while it's only a week and we still get the game anyway. But HMX has by far the absolute worst PR of any company I have ever seen by far. It's embarrassing and completely unprofessional on their part that they jut hide in a corner while we all argue about their situations.

1. It's after office hours
2. Several staff members who are on the forum are in Germany
3. Why aren't you dogging Tt Games it's their game!

[TruthBringer]

Bought the game today and dont care about waiting but it would of been nice and might I add professional to post this prior to folks buying the game. Would of taken two seconds to let PS3 users know.

[Baanu_Rass]

1. It's after office hours

Twasn't when these threads started.

[sonicnerd23]

Just FYI, the export availability for PS3 isn't some deliberate slight directed at you or other PS3 users, and no one here at HMX is laughing at you. We don't generate the export codes internally, and different platforms generate codes on different time lines but we'll make sure that the export option is propped for PS3 users as soon as humanly possible. Thanks for your patience.

He said this in the Hair Band Master Thread (but you have to wonder, why not in here?).

[davidshek]

If you honestly believe that HMX only knew of the export details as the site went live you are really kidding yourself. Your a smart man, how could you honestly be so thick on the subject? Hmx knew the date for a while. They didnt wake up 2 days ago and say "hey the 3rd we should release L:RB!" They also knew probably for even longer that it was going to export, so had ample time to get it ready, not an hour or two before release. So why wouldnt the key be ready to hand to Sony? RB1 Export key was available before RB2 was released.

So again, if you really think they only knew "an hour or two" before the site went live your kidding only yourself mate. And as i said it does not bother me. My game wont come until next week, and i will play it right through before exporting, its just the principal of the matter.

Uh, how many times has a Tuesday (or Thursday, if you will) morning rolled around only to have HMX post something saying, "There's a problem with the DLC, it will be up later". Moving Pictures, anyone? Perfect example.

Sudden delays have happened before with DLC due to issues with either Microsoft or Sony, and that is exactly what this appears to be too. So yes, it's very likely that they only knew "an hour or two" befor ethe site went live.

My point about the Export site is that it went live just this afternoon and until then, everybody thought the PS3 would be able to download the Export Key at the same time, which turned out not to be true. There is every indication that this delay is due to a Sony issue, just like any other DLC delay in the past.

But of course, blind PS3 fanboys are going to complain about every perceived slight they possibly can (RBN? Really? Are people still trying to complain about that, even though the reason for it not being on PS3 has been very widely publicized and known??) whether or not it's Harmonix's fault or not.

[SamCrow]

That you're not buying anyway, at least not yet... I really wonder why, if you feel so abused, do you continue to give them any of your money? If waiting for 9 days is such a big deal, then why not just show how much you believe in your position by selling off all the offending material and moving your support to other games and developers?

It certainly sounds like it'd be a touch more effective than whinging on an internet forum about how persecuted you are. But hey, why do that when you can settle for the easier path?

you sir must be a Xbox owner...

[SamCrow]

Uh, how many times has a Tuesday (or Thursday, if you will) morning rolled around only to have HMX post something saying, "There's a problem with the DLC, it will be up later". Moving Pictures, anyone? Perfect example.

Sudden delays have happened before with DLC due to issues with either Microsoft or Sony, and that is exactly what this appears to be too. So yes, it's very likely that they only knew "an hour or two" befor ethe site went live.

My point about the Export site is that it went live just this afternoon and until then, everybody thought the PS3 would be able to download the Export Key at the same time, which turned out not to be true. There is every indication that this delay is due to a Sony issue, just like any other DLC delay in the past.

But of course, blind PS3 fanboys are going to complain about every perceived slight they possibly can (RBN? Really? Are people still trying to complain about that, even though the reason for it not being on PS3 has been very widely publicized and known??) whether or not it's Harmonix's fault or not.

So hmx can do no wrong huh? B.S. How many times do need to be kicked in the face to realize your being shafted

[TruthBringer]

He said this in the Hair Band Master Thread (but you have to wonder, why not in here?).

Just read that. it is interesting they wouldnt of put it in here as well.

[Jaicen06]

This is the dumbest thing I have seen in a while. Why does the Xbox always get everything first? I mean, I understand and appreciate the fact that Microsoft has helped HMX out on Rockband a lot lately, but come on....

[slickpitt]

Just another example of M$ having HMX in their pocket.

[DiabloNeonX]

Uh, how many times has a Tuesday (or Thursday, if you will) morning rolled around only to have HMX post something saying, "There's a problem with the DLC, it will be up later". Moving Pictures, anyone? Perfect example.

Sudden delays have happened before with DLC due to issues with either Microsoft or Sony, and that is exactly what this appears to be too. So yes, it's very likely that they only knew "an hour or two" befor ethe site went live.

My point about the Export site is that it went live just this afternoon and until then, everybody thought the PS3 would be able to download the Export Key at the same time, which turned out not to be true. There is every indication that this delay is due to a Sony issue, just like any other DLC delay in the past.

But of course, blind PS3 fanboys are going to complain about every perceived slight they possibly can (RBN? Really? Are people still trying to complain about that, even though the reason for it not being on PS3 has been very widely publicized and known??) whether or not it's Harmonix's fault or not.

If this is indeed a Sony issue, why can't someone from HMX come in and say just that? While it's never wise to assume, PS3 owners have every right to believe that they're getting the shaft, considering HMX's track record in regards to the PS3.

I don't know why people bring up the lack of RBN on PS3. I think the entire concept behind it is stupid. When it finally does take off, I'm willing to bet that there will be more crap than gems via RBN. But that's another argument for another time.

Back to the point at hand. PS3 owners want answers. It's that simple. As loyal paying customers, we want to know why we're once again getting shafted when we're supposed to be "equal" to the 360.

My ire is aimed squarely at HMX right now. Until we get some answers, expect more of this to continue.

[Doc_SoCal]

He said this in the Hair Band Master Thread (but you have to wonder, why not in here?).

Maybe.... just maybe... it was because this is a piranha tank right now any any dev that stepped in would just be accused of being the second shooter on the grassy knoll or of being the one who poured kool-aid at Jonestown...

Maybe the HMX crew is letting the haters vent and cool off by letting this thread go on and on and on and on.

Maybe.

[bmaninc]

David, the point I'm trying to make (whether or not others are trying to make the same point, I don't know), is that something has to give. Every time only one system gets something, its the 360. Its never been the PS3. It can't NOT be HMX's fault every single time.

You're guessing, along with all of us.

[slickpitt]

If this is indeed a Sony issue, why can't someone from HMX come in and say just that? While it's never wise to assume, PS3 owners have every right to believe that they're getting the shaft, considering HMX's track record in regards to the PS3.

I don't know why people bring up the lack of RBN on PS3. I think the entire concept behind it is stupid. When it finally does take off, I'm willing to bet that there will be more crap than gems via RBN. But that's another argument for another time.

Back to the point at hand. PS3 owners want answers. It's that simple. As loyal paying customers, we want to know why we're once again getting shafted when we're supposed to be "equal" to the 360.

My ire is aimed squarely at HMX right now. Until we get some answers, expect more of this to continue.

Completely agree. They've known about LRB for how long now? Can't tell me they couldn't have prepared and had the export ability with launch. This delay is intentional.

[Doc_SoCal]

Just FYI, the export availability for PS3 isn't some deliberate slight directed at you or other PS3 users, and no one here at HMX is laughing at you. We don't generate the export codes internally, and different platforms generate codes on different time lines but we'll make sure that the export option is propped for PS3 users as soon as humanly possible. Thanks for your patience.

Hey look, there it is again...

Put down your pitchforks, and sheath thy e-peens.

[bmaninc]

If its on different time lines, wouldn't it have been smart to begin the PS3 process sooner?

[DiabloNeonX]

Hey look, there it is again...

Put down your pitchforks, and sheath thy e-peens.

Where did Henry say that? I never saw him post in this thread and I've read every post.

[sonicnerd23]

Where did Henry say that? I never saw him post in this thread and I've read every post.

The Hair Band Master Thread. Odd choice to post it there, huh?

[aspiring]

Uh, how many times has a Tuesday (or Thursday, if you will) morning rolled around only to have HMX post something saying, "There's a problem with the DLC, it will be up later". Moving Pictures, anyone? Perfect example.

Sudden delays have happened before with DLC due to issues with either Microsoft or Sony, and that is exactly what this appears to be too. So yes, it's very likely that they only knew "an hour or two" befor ethe site went live.

My point about the Export site is that it went live just this afternoon and until then, everybody thought the PS3 would be able to download the Export Key at the same time, which turned out not to be true. There is every indication that this delay is due to a Sony issue, just like any other DLC delay in the past.

But of course, blind PS3 fanboys are going to complain about every perceived slight they possibly can (RBN? Really? Are people still trying to complain about that, even though the reason for it not being on PS3 has been very widely publicized and known??) whether or not it's Harmonix's fault or not.

I can live with that if it was an honest mistake and they only just found out. But how in all honesty could they have only known an hour or so before when they have had who knows how long they have had the export feature planned for to work something out? Also its only Tuesday. PSN does not update until Thursday. Late Thursday as well. Do Sony really need everything to be submitted so early? As i said i will not be recieving the game until next week, so it will be there when i get it, its just the principal.

Also i am not a blind fanboy and have never mentioned RBN once. But i dont think this was directed at me?

[M3wThr33]

I love how Harmonix takes every opportunity to prepare people about being let down and just waits up until the last second.
When they announced the export details, they could have said the PS3 would be at a later date and by the time the launch came around, people would care less, but that would have impacted sales just a tad.

Remember RB1's launch? The game didn't work with GH3 guitars, but they sold the game standalone. They were in patch litigation with Activsion but didn't tell anyone what was up, so the forum mods just kept telling people that at least on the PS3 you could use a standard usb mic. That was depressing.

[aspiring]

About HMX Henrys post why not create an announcement about it? Why post in some weird thread? I understand about not in here maybe, but an announcement would be nice.

[Doc_SoCal]

Maybe there will be an announcement in the morning.

Maybe the explosion of hate caught them off guard, maybe they were in meetings till go home time.

Maybe the PEOPLE at HMX have lives and families and things to do other than coddle a bunch of freaked out would be exporters who are spewing hate as fast as they can.

Maybe...

[DiabloNeonX]

I love how Harmonix takes every opportunity to prepare people about being let down and just waits up until the last second.
When they announced the export details, they could have said the PS3 would be at a later date and by the time the launch came around, people would care less, but that would have impacted sales just a tad.

Remember RB1's launch? The game didn't work with GH3 guitars, but they sold the game standalone. They were in patch litigation with Activsion but didn't tell anyone what was up, so the forum mods just kept telling people that at least on the PS3 you could use a standard usb mic. That was depressing.

As a matter of fact, I do. That's how my boycott of Activision began.

I wrote Activision in February 2008, looking for an answer as to why they were blocking the PS3 guitar patch. I told them I wanted an actual response, not a form letter. I told them that if I do not see a response, I would take it that they do not care about me as a customer, and therefore I would no longer support them.

More than 20 months has passed. No reply. I haven't bought an Activision product since. It's a shame because I wanted GH: Metallica. But, I refuse to compromise my principles.

[Baanu_Rass]

Maybe.... just maybe... it was because this is a piranha tank right now any any dev that stepped in would just be accused of being the second shooter on the grassy knoll or of being the one who poured kool-aid at Jonestown...

Maybe the HMX crew is letting the haters vent and cool off by letting this thread go on and on and on and on.

Maybe.

But they are makers of fine kool-aid...

[DiabloNeonX]

Maybe there will be an announcement in the morning.

Maybe the explosion of hate caught them off guard, maybe they were in meetings till go home time.

Maybe the PEOPLE at HMX have lives and families and things to do other than coddle a bunch of freaked out would be exporters who are spewing hate as fast as they can.

Maybe...

Doc, I don't think most of us hate HMX. The frustration of PS3 owners just continues to mount, and HMX for the most part seems unapologetic. Sure, they say (like in Henry's post) that they'll work on getting it fixed as fast as humanly possible, but I don't think that's good enough anymore. At least, not for PS3 owners.

With as many times as PS3 owners have gotten the short end of the stick, I think the delayed LRB export is just the icing on the cake. Again, this goes back to HMX originally stating that the 360 and PS3 would be equal, but it's not the case. I think if HMX was genuinely apologetic, they would throw PS3 owners a bone. Give us a perk or privilege for once.

That's the real heart of the matter. We're tired of being treated like red-headed stepchildren chained in the basement, while the 360 is the perfect child that is pampered and can do no wrong.

[Kolyene]

Wait, wait, wait.

The Playstation Store, contrary to popular belief, DOES update several times a week. Once on Tuesday (day of release digital PSP games, movies) and once on Thursday (DLC and whatnot). They also update at least once a week for new release television shows - I missed TNA iMpact this week and downloaded the new episode on Saturday morning.

So, let's give up this myth that PSN store only updates once a week, and turn our attention back to the matter at hand, to wit: wtf, Harmonix?

[Baanu_Rass]

Doc, I don't think most of us hate HMX. The frustration of PS3 owners just continues to mount, and HMX for the most part seems unapologetic. Sure, they say (like in Henry's post) that they'll work on getting it fixed as fast as humanly possible, but I don't think that's good enough anymore. At least, not for PS3 owners.

With as many times as PS3 owners have gotten the short end of the stick, I think the delayed LRB export is just the icing on the cake. Again, this goes back to HMX originally stating that the 360 and PS3 would be equal, but it's not the case. I think if HMX was genuinely apologetic, they would throw PS3 owners a bone. Give us a perk or privilege for once.

That's the real heart of the matter. We're tired of being treated like red-headed stepchildren chained in the basement, while the 360 is the perfect child that is pampered and can do no wrong.

So on the 11th anniversary of RB's release you'll get a letter that says you get to wizard school and a half-giant will give us a tail and 2 years later you'll blow up HMX's sister?

[Mikey35]

Its easy for 360 owners to call us whiners, but I guarantee you if something like this were to ever happen to them the world would come to an end. They just need a taste of it for once.

[Kolyene]

On the upside, we can at least be glad that the PS3 now has enough of the market share to make Harmonix unwilling to give Microsoft a month exclusive on disc games anymore, instead only allowing for exclusives on download. Hopefully, after this holiday season the install base will surge enough that Harmonix is forced to deal fairly with PS3 owners. That is, unless the recent round of console bans moves enough units for Microsoft.

[Baanu_Rass]

On the upside, we can at least be glad that the PS3 now has enough of the market share to make Harmonix unwilling to give Microsoft a month exclusive on disc games anymore, instead only allowing for exclusives on download. Hopefully, after this holiday season the install base will surge enough that Harmonix is forced to deal fairly with PS3 owners. That is, unless the recent round of console bans moves enough units for Microsoft.

Are you seriously suggesting that banned consoles being replaced is enough to boost sales by a noticeable margin?

[Kolyene]

Have you looked at the Account Suspensions forum lately, Baanu? First seven pages are almost 100% console ban inquiries, and there's surely lots more that owned up to what they did, accepted the ban and went out and bought a new 360 to mod. Consider this, if 5% of the people banned were all that posted, that's 3500 units at 25 posts per page.

[hmxhenry]

About HMX Henrys post why not create an announcement about it? Why post in some weird thread? I understand about not in here maybe, but an announcement would be nice.

Sorry for not popping in here sooner. I haven't been on the forums much today, and didn't see this thread until now.

We've got members of the team on the road right now (people in Germany and NYC) and communication hasn't been as smooth today as it usually is, and we're trying to get things back on track. Launching a title like LRB is a huge undertaking for our small team and unfortunately we're being pulled in a bunch of different directions right now (travel, support emails, streamlining the export process with Web Team, etc). We planned to have LRB forums up before launch and that didn't quite work out as planned either.

We're doing everything we can to get info to you guys in a timely and efficient manner, and hopefully tomorrow we'll be able to get a better handle on things. It's certainly not in our best interests to keep you in the dark and we'll pass info along as soon as all the ducks are in a row. Thanks to everyone for your patience.

[folkeye]

And there we have it.

[davidshek]

You're guessing, along with all of us.

Was I? Or was I perhaps using logic and reason to find a more rational answer than "Harmonix craps all over the PS3 every chance they get!" like everybody else in here was saying?

And was I not right? :)

[JuiceBoxHero]

To whoever said we should complain to Sony about this delay...that would be a waste of time. Their customer service plays dumb. I've called and *****ed to them in the past about how half-assed their PSN staff is, and customer service plays dumb. It would be a waste of your time.

I love HMX and their products. That's why I don't boycott their products (unlike Activision, who I despise). But, for once, could they throw us a bone? Can we have a timed exclusive for once? I don't think that's too much to ask. HMX, can you please treat us PS3 owners like the equals you claim we are? Again, I don't think that's too much to ask.


It's interesting that you point out that Sony's customer support is a waste of time, but you don't seem to acknowledge the possibility that that's maybe an indication of how Sony works in general. How are we to know what kind of support Sony offers developers? Maybe HMX / TT gave Sony and MS all the time in the world to have export ready and maybe Sony just wasn't on the ball and didn't get it done in time. I see MS running way more online play with devs events than Sony, so how are we to know who is the difficult one to work with. All I know is that I'm on a HMX site getting direct feedback from devs that act like real people, while the Sony customer support is "playing dumb".

[GateKeeper]

It takes a week for xbox to download something,smaller HD, so it really works out the same. Everyone plays Thursday.
LOL

[bmaninc]

Was I? Or was I perhaps using logic and reason to find a more rational answer than "Harmonix craps all over the PS3 every chance they get!" like everybody else in here was saying?

And was I not right? :)

When you show me evidence of the exact reason why the PS3 has to wait, I'll concede.

The evidence is there to support my stance. What has the PS3 got either before the 360? We barely get anything at the same time (not talking about DLC). Now do the same exercise for the 360.

I wasn't clamouring for HMX to say something. Why? Because in Henry's post, it says basically nothing.

[DiabloNeonX]

It's interesting that you point out that Sony's customer support is a waste of time, but you don't seem to acknowledge the possibility that that's maybe an indication of how Sony works in general. How are we to know what kind of support Sony offers developers? Maybe HMX / TT gave Sony and MS all the time in the world to have export ready and maybe Sony just wasn't on the ball and didn't get it done in time. I see MS running way more online play with devs events than Sony, so how are we to know who is the difficult one to work with. All I know is that I'm on a HMX site getting direct feedback from devs that act like real people, while the Sony customer support is "playing dumb".

I've had issues with Sony's customer support in the past. At least with HMX, they give you means to contact them, whether it be here or Twitter or whatnot.

Sony, on the other hand, has no other means to contact them. No one from Sony frequents their forums, so there is no way to voice complaints. Their call center will answer basic questions, but there's no means (that I know of, at least) to contact their PSN staff, whom I've been aggravated with on more than one occasion.


On another note...


Henry, thanks for coming in and clearing a few things up. I can't speak for everyone, but your acknowledgment of the situation is appreciated.

[Death50]

At HMX Henry:

Not to be rube but this sounds like the type of anwser we get from you guys all the time. That you piled to much on your plate and can't eat it all before the resturant closes. And if Lego Rockband is such a big udertaking why give the task to such a small team? I'm sorry but that all just sounds like excuses for not being properly perpared. And if you hd to give it to such a small team because you don't got enough people to spare then orginize better either hold of on some projects and asign more people or hire more, one of the two.

[bmaninc]

Well, this was fun. I had fun "complaining". Now I'm done.

[Doc_SoCal]

At HMX Henry:

Not to be rube but this sounds like the type of anwser we get from you guys all the time. That you piled to much on your plate and can't eat it all before the resturant closes. And if Lego Rockband is such a big udertaking why give the task to such a small team? I'm sorry but that all just sounds like excuses for not being properly perpared. And if you hd to give it to such a small team because you don't got enough people to spare then orginize better either hold of on some projects and asign more people or hire more, one of the two.

Do you really think, in the current economy, that HMX has unlimited resources?

Bottlenecks happen in all business, thats life. Its not a conspiracy or master plan.

We are in an economic down turn.

Just about all companies are FORCED to do more with less, its not a choice.

I suspect this is very true in the video game industry.

[skyttskytt]

I'm not reading everything I missed while I was gone. I will however say the wait is not a bad thing. Play through the game during that time. It's freaking fantastic. The humor and added touches to the game are well worth actually playing the songs in the LEGO environment. I'm having a great time, and am sad I have to turn it off and go to a night class. I'm so not going to be able to focus knowing what's waiting for me at home.

[libregkd]

Not too big of a deal for me. I'm gonna be way too busy playing Demon's Soul to give a rat's ass about RB for awhile. Plus, it gives me time for my wallet to recuperate from the current gaming binge I went on.

It's interesting that you point out that Sony's customer support is a waste of time, but you don't seem to acknowledge the possibility that that's maybe an indication of how Sony works in general. How are we to know what kind of support Sony offers developers? Maybe HMX / TT gave Sony and MS all the time in the world to have export ready and maybe Sony just wasn't on the ball and didn't get it done in time. I see MS running way more online play with devs events than Sony, so how are we to know who is the difficult one to work with. All I know is that I'm on a HMX site getting direct feedback from devs that act like real people, while the Sony customer support is "playing dumb".I do agree that Sony doesn't offer a lot of developer help. For example, all the indie games on Sony's platform didn't receive direct help from Sony, Sony just gave them money and promised to publish their game (see Everyday Shooter). MS has better support, its just too bad none of the games on that console interest me enough to buy it.

But still, people here give HMX the benefit of the doubt way too often. I acknowledge that Sony is partly to blame for anything the PS3 lacks. But HMX isn't all innocent and share some of the blame as well.

[bmaninc]

Yeah, they're hurting. :rolleyes:

http://www.rockband.com/news/thebeatlesrockband_number1
http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/55839

I had to.

[hmxhenry]

At HMX Henry:

Not to be rube but this sounds like the type of anwser we get from you guys all the time. That you piled to much on your plate and can't eat it all before the resturant closes. And if Lego Rockband is such a big udertaking why give the task to such a small team? I'm sorry but that all just sounds like excuses for not being properly perpared. And if you hd to give it to such a small team because you don't got enough people to spare then orginize better either hold of on some projects and asign more people or hire more, one of the two.

To clarify, I wasn't referring to the Community Team launching LEGO RB. That's not a thing that we do. I was referring to how the launch impacts our team and what our responsibilities include beyond messaging on the forums. We do travel quite a bit and juggling forums and email from the road sometimes makes information flow slower than we would like. That's all I was trying to address, the flow of information.

And I'd love to hire some more people for our team! Maybe then I'd be able to get home before 9pm. ;) Seriously though, we're really proud of the RB community and personally I think we have as strong a developer presence as anyone out there. If I've made mention of being stretched thin before it's because there is a TON of RB stuff going on right now (TB:RB, LRB, RBN, RB iPhone, 100+ weeks of DLC, end of quarter, endless press releases, travel, etc) but we are completely invested in making sure that the forums remain a top priority.

[moose39]

What a bummer. Can't complain, at least it's there, right?

[ArchangelZero]

To clarify, I wasn't referring to the Community Team launching LEGO RB. That's not a thing that we do. I was referring to how the launch impacts our team and what our responsibilities include beyond messaging on the forums. We do travel quite a bit and juggling forums and email from the road sometimes makes information flow slower than we would like. That's all I was trying to address, the flow of information.

And I'd love to hire some more people for our team! Maybe then I'd be able to get home before 9pm. ;) Seriously though, we're really proud of the RB community and personally I think we have as strong a developer presence as anyone out there. If I've made mention of being stretched thin before it's because there is a TON of RB stuff going on right now (TB:RB, LRB, RBN, RB iPhone, 100+ weeks of DLC, end of quarter, endless press releases, travel, etc) but we are completely invested in making sure that the forums remain a top priority.

Would the new employees have to operate out of Cambridge?

[hmxhenry]

Would the new employees have to operate out of Cambridge?

They could live out of a duffel bag like HMXjohnd. He worked on the road for over 250 days last year.

[ArchangelZero]

They could live out of a duffel bag like HMXjohnd. He worked on the road for over 250 days last year.

God....that sounds painful...:eek:

[ghostofjarjar]

That post was all gibberish to me to be honest. Either way the date is still the 12th correct?

[bmaninc]

So, basically, HMXjohnd is a pro wrestler? :D

The community team is awesome. I can not be happy about the PS3 and still say that, right? :)

[Idiostock]

Gee willickers, it sure was dandy of Harmonix to let us export.

[T-Hybrid]

Well, this was fun. I had fun "complaining". Now I'm done.
Yeah, it sucks when an HMXer comes in and gives you the answers you've been looking for.

But don't worry, I'm sure there will be something for you to get paranoid and overreact about tomorrow.

[davidshek]

When you show me evidence of the exact reason why the PS3 has to wait, I'll concede.

The evidence is there to support my stance. What has the PS3 got either before the 360? We barely get anything at the same time (not talking about DLC). Now do the same exercise for the 360.

Here ya go, evidence that directly refutes your stance. Pasted in this thread several times a few pages back, originally written in another thread:


Just FYI, the export availability for PS3 isn't some deliberate slight directed at you or other PS3 users, and no one here at HMX is laughing at you. We don't generate the export codes internally, and different platforms generate codes on different time lines but we'll make sure that the export option is propped for PS3 users as soon as humanly possible. Thanks for your patience.

You may concede now. :)

[Coreymyster]

1. It's after office hours
They were still open when this thread started.


2. Several staff members who are on the forum are in Germany
don't know why that matters, but HMX is a US based company, doesn't matter where you are, with the internet you can receive messages within minutes.

3. Why aren't you dogging Tt Games it's their game!
Because this isn't the first time something like this has happened

[T-Hybrid]

They were still open when this thread started.
Unfortunately HMX isn't capable of monitoring the forums 24/7. They have OTHER jobs aside from that you know. Especially difficult when you've got users whining about one thing or another and demanding answers round the clock.


don't know why that matters, but HMX is a US based company, doesn't matter where you are, with the internet you can receive messages within minutes.
Somebody needs to teach you about time zones....and fast. An HMX on the clock in Germany isn't going to be on the clock in the same schedule as somebody in the states.

I swear, the people here assume HMX staff has no life outside of this one forum. It's really sad in an elitist/entitlement kinda thing.

[McNoob]

Unfortunately HMX isn't capable of monitoring the forums 24/7. They have OTHER jobs aside from that you know. Especially difficult when you've got users whining about one thing or another and demanding answers round the clock.

That was simply a reply to someone who said it was after hours.

And yes, it's a silly complaint, but it's a valid one. Bottom line is that PS3 users should have been told about the export date before LRB released. It's petty considering export will be allowed soon, but it's the principle. PS3 users get the shaft constantly, whether it be from HMX or Sony, and things like these need to be brought to attention.

[hmxhenry]

I swear, the people here assume HMX staff has no life outside of this one forum. It's really sad in an elitist/entitlement kinda thing.

I don't feel bad about responding to emails and poking in on the forums while in the office at 10pm, because I'm also IM'ing with HMXjohnd who is working at 4am in Germany.

[bmaninc]

Here ya go, evidence that directly refutes your stance. Pasted in this thread several times a few pages back, originally written in another thread:

You may concede now. :)

Fair enough, sir. I must have read that three times and just plain missed the point. Still a bit confused as to why the process wasn't started sooner if it was known that it would take longer, but we're all working with likely less than half the story (which is fine).

I will say that it still does irk me that the PS3 seems to lag behind quite often. The principle of equality. There is evidence to support this (not talking about DLC). Is that HMX's fault, Sony's fault, some other outside force's fault? I would say its all three at one point or another.


Hybrid, I know we're not usually in the same conversations, but if you knew me, you'd see that right or wrong, I have fun poking and prodding at people. You just happened to be the target. As HMXDungHeaver said last summer, "[I] talk a lot of ****."

[ptrdvs]

I don't feel bad about responding to emails and poking in on the forums while in the office at 10pm, because I'm also IM'ing with HMXjohnd who is working at 4am in Germany.

Well HMXHenry, if you need a summer internship let me know, I'm actively searching for a PR internship for the summer so help finish up my degree!

[davidshek]

I will say that it still does irk me that the PS3 seems to lag behind quite often. The principle of equality. There is evidence to support this (not talking about DLC). Is that HMX's fault, Sony's fault, some other outside force's fault? I would say its all three at one point or another.

Oh I don't disagree with ya there at all. But this thread was just about one specific issue, not all of them lumped together. :)

[bmaninc]

True enough. That sorta was the point of my argument. Just another thing to add to the list sorta thing.

[Baanu_Rass]

See everyone next week, same time? This was great fun for all except the mods I think.

[DarkEternal37]

See everyone next week, same time? This was great fun for all except the mods I think.

You know where I'll be!

[Doc_SoCal]

I don't feel bad about responding to emails and poking in on the forums while in the office at 10pm, because I'm also IM'ing with HMXjohnd who is working at 4am in Germany.

What a classic ending....

Good on ya Henry, I think your realness makes it hard for even the most hate filled hater to pour it on without looking very self centered and foolish.

Keep in real, like I know you will.

[Bongoo]

I was looking forward to exporting these songs tonight, just found out about this...

It's disappointing, but then again, we're kind of used to waiting by now as PS3 owners.

I agree with others who say that this should have been announced in advance.

[gosox333]

The evidence really doesn't mean much too me. I always figured that the problem was some sort of technical issue that couldn't be helped. What I don't like is that we weren't given a warning. It was just popped on us at the day of release.

Now, I know that wouldn't have stopped much complaining from about 90% of us disgruntled PS3ers, but it would've been enough for me.

Hell, if they had warned us and given us an explanation at the same time, I wouldn't even see anything wrong with all this.

[Abaddon]

Had a blast with it tonight. My 4yr old loved it, and he didn't even stay up late enough to get to see any of the cool stages...

I can wait for export for a week. PS3 owners, why don't we all chill out and just enjoy the game for a week, it isn't that long...

[DarkEternal37]

Hell, if they had warned us and given us an explanation at the same time, I wouldn't even see anything wrong with all this.

Bingo, that's what gets me. If I had known, my extra money would have gone to Dragon Age instead of this. Now I have to wait for next paycheck. I hate student loans :(.

[Death50]

To clarify, I wasn't referring to the Community Team launching LEGO RB. That's not a thing that we do. I was referring to how the launch impacts our team and what our responsibilities include beyond messaging on the forums. We do travel quite a bit and juggling forums and email from the road sometimes makes information flow slower than we would like. That's all I was trying to address, the flow of information.

And I'd love to hire some more people for our team! Maybe then I'd be able to get home before 9pm. ;) Seriously though, we're really proud of the RB community and personally I think we have as strong a developer presence as anyone out there. If I've made mention of being stretched thin before it's because there is a TON of RB stuff going on right now (TB:RB, LRB, RBN, RB iPhone, 100+ weeks of DLC, end of quarter, endless press releases, travel, etc) but we are completely invested in making sure that the forums remain a top priority.

Thats what I am saying, why are you doing so much at once if you (the company as a whole) can't handle it? That is what I don't understand why can't you guys (company as a whole) stick two one or two projects at a time? I'm not mircle whip, I wont tone it down...

On topic, did we ever get an anwser to why?

[skyttskytt]

Bingo, that's what gets me. If I had known, my extra money would have gone to Dragon Age instead of this. Now I have to wait for next paycheck. I hate student loans :(.

I got Dragon Age today too (along with 4 other games), and to be honest, LEGO won't leave my PS3 til probably late tomorrow, if not all the way til this weekend or later. I'm having way too much fun with it.

[pupsdaddy]

OK, so if I get Lego and export my songs to RB2, will I also be able to play future Lego DLC in RB2 as well? Will I have to pay to export those as well?
Honestly, I have zero desire to play as a Lego character, but there are enough songs on the disc to warrant buying and exporting. The key to whether or not I actually do it is going to be the exportability of DLC.....

[KongWen]

OK, so if I get Lego and export my songs to RB2, will I also be able to play future Lego DLC in RB2 as well? Will I have to pay to export those as well?
Honestly, I have zero desire to play as a Lego character, but there are enough songs on the disc to warrant buying and exporting. The key to whether or not I actually do it is going to be the exportability of DLC.....

There's no Lego-specific DLC. Any DLC you buy will be compatible with RB2 and (providing it's family friendly) Lego RB.

[hmxhenry]

Thats what I am saying, why are you doing so much at once if you (the company as a whole) can't handle it? That is what I don't understand why can't you guys (company as a whole) stick two one or two projects at a time? I'm not mircle whip, I wont tone it down...

On topic, did we ever get an anwser to why?

Er, I still don't think we're on the same page. I'm not talking about what HMX as a company is working on, I'm only talking about the messaging. There's 300+ people at HMX right now and about 6 people on the Community side, which is why we're not always able to maintain a forum presence round the clock (though goodness knows I'm trying at 1am) and respond to questions and concerns in real time.

If you think there's too much RB stuff going on in general, or if you feel that HMX (as a company, not the Community team) is spreading itself thin, then you can feel free to start another thread to discuss it since it's kind of off topic for this thread. But, for the record, I wouldn't agree. ;)

[Cliphead]

I've only been skimming this thread past the first page, but I'm just going to mention that you people are blowing this WAY the hell out of proportion. The export page makes it clear: you have to wait a week. That it. Just a week. If they didn't set a date and just left it TBA, I'd understand the magnitude of complaints. It's certainly disappointing that you can't export right away, but at least you can still play the songs in THE ACTUAL GAME. But if you want to keep thinking that Microsoft has been paying Harmonix for Sony to only update the PlayStation Store on Thursdays (never mind that Wii DLC comes out the same time), feel free, but try not to let it get to the point of missing out on the best music games out there.

[El_Fez]

Just for once i want it to happen to the 360 owners to hear them complain, and feel what as a PS owner, i feel.

If the shoe was on the other foot, as it were, and the 360 was screwed out of downloading for a week, you'd get a big ol' Meh out of me. I've got plenty to keep me occupied until then - the least of which is a brand spankin' new game.

[playmike]

is it just me or was the thread title changed?

[ghostofjarjar]

Wishful thinking but maybe the delay is to coincide with the patch? And maybe another patch for 360? Mid-November RBN?

[Kolyene]

Incidentally, for folks that say PSN only updates on Thursday, I'm downloading the Dragon Age: Origins DLC at this moment.