Best Song: Bracket 2 Discussion

[Quinarvy]

Ok, so the first 16 Best Songs are finally done. What should the next 16 be?

My thoughts are currently:

Pearl Jam
Queensryche
Alice in Chains
The Who
David Bowie
Rage Against the Machine
Nine Inch Nails
The White Stripes
Kansas
Deep Purple
Billy Joel
Run-D.M.C.
Soundgarden
Alice Cooper
Aerosmith
AC/DC

Thoughts?

[Onslaught_fei]

No arguments here.

[neckermanncj]

Velvet Underground
Joy Division
The Kinks
The Doors
The Clash
The Police
The Cure
The Smiths
Godspeed You! Black Emperor (oh yes, i'm serious)
Sonic Youth
Dinosaur Jr.
Husker Du
The Replacements
Yo La Tengo
The Mountain Goats

just my thoughts on additions, some are stretches...

[Rocket2Russia]

Velvet Underground
Joy Division
Sonic Youth
Husker Du
The Replacements

My top 5 from necker's suggs.

[neckermanncj]

suggs.

i lol'ed

[ROCKBANDFANATIC7526]

Can you squeeze Cream in there for me? :D

[Fizzeler]

I'll second Sonic Youth none up there right now that I oppose I would add:
Death
Melvins
Scorpions
Joy Division/New Order (as Necker had already, but needs New Order as well)
The Moody Blues
The Cure

EDIT: Elton John (thought I saw him on the list)

[clashcityrocker10]

Definitely agree with The Who, David Bowie, Deep Purple, Run - D.M.C., Alice Cooper, The White Stripes, AC/DC, and Pearl Jam. While I'd probably vote on any of those listed, I'd suggest these as replacements:

The Clash
Sonic Youth
Pixies
The Velvet Underground
The Kinks
Silversun Pickups
Neil Young
The Rolling Stones

[neckermanncj]

Silversun Pickups


i thought about it too, but they only have like 25 songs. the only reason for them to be considered is because of their popularity on these forums



Joy Division/New Order (as Necker had already, but needs New Order as well)


if Blue Monday wins....... :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

[Alright_Computer]

Do Beck, or else.

[neckermanncj]

Do Beck, or else.

yeah i 2nd this

Mixed Bizness FTW

[Fizzeler]

if Blue Monday wins....... :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

I don't think any of my votes would be for any New Order songs TBH just a good way to include more songs like Guns N' Roses and Velvet Revolver were done together

Also Parliament/Funkadelic and Talking Heads :)

[Alright_Computer]

Actually, on second thought, don't do Beck, because I know I'll be really disappointed when the bracket turns out to be "Loser" vs. "Sexx Laws" vs. "Where It's At" vs. "E-Pro" vs. "Gamma Ray".


Also Parliament/Funkadelic and Talking Heads :)

Yes.

[clashcityrocker10]

Actually, on second thought, don't do Beck, because I know I'll be really disappointed when the bracket turns out to be "Loser" vs. "Sexx Laws" vs. "Where It's At" vs. "E-Pro" vs. "Gamma Ray".


I don't think any of those songs would be in my top 5.

[Quinarvy]

Bands I think I'll definitely do are Queensryche (bias) and The Who.

I'm also probably gonna throw in Sonic Youth.

Won't consider Beck till AC stops being bipolar.

[neckermanncj]

Actually, on second thought, don't do Beck, because I know I'll be really disappointed when the bracket turns out to be "Loser" vs. "Sexx Laws" vs. "Where It's At" vs. "E-Pro" vs. "Gamma Ray".




Mixed Bizness FTW

i don't think you heard me before... ;)


I don't think any of those songs would be in my top 5.

ditto

[Rocket2Russia]

Actually, on second thought, don't do Beck, because I know I'll be really disappointed when the bracket turns out to be "Loser" vs. "Sexx Laws" vs. "Where It's At" vs. "E-Pro" vs. "Gamma Ray".

*Hides Prepared Beck List*

[Alright_Computer]

I don't think any of those songs would be in my top 5.

Me either. The only one that might stand a chance is "Where It's At", but while I'm willing to be proven wrong, I'll be very surprised if at least three of those songs weren't voted in.

[ROCKBANDFANATIC7526]

You gotta do Cream the only bands that are better than Cream from your future list are The Who, possibly Bowie and Deep Purple, why Ratm :p

[supernova1324]

Husker Du and Sonic Youth are musts.

[neckermanncj]

my top 5 Beck Songs:

1) Mixed Bizness
2) The New Pollution
3) Hotwax
4) Beautiful Way
5) The Golden Age

[afterstasis]

have we done the smashing pumpkins? bruce springsteen?

[Quinarvy]

Guys, just remember, there will probably be brackets 3 and 4.

I also want diversity, so not 16 metal bands or 16 alt bands.

[Fizzeler]

Bands I think I'll definitely do are Queensryche (bias) and The Who.

I'm also probably gonna throw in Sonic Youth.

Won't consider Beck till AC stops being bipolar.

:)

Although I can guess at least 3 of these will be in the top 5
Revolution Calling
Queen Of The Reich
Eyes Of A Stranger
I Don't Believe In Love
Silent Lucidity

Out of those 2 of them would be in my top 5

[seriousbusson]

Acts I definitely agree with:
Pearl Jam(at least because they were supposed to be in last bracket)
Queensryche
Alice in Chains
The Who
David Bowie
Alice Cooper
Deep Purple

Acts I would respect if they made it:
Rage Against the Machine
Run-D.M.C.
Soundgarden
Aerosmith

Acts that make me think wtf:
Nine Inch Nails
The White Stripes
Kansas
Billy Joel
AC/DC

Any love for Prince, Velvet Underground, Thin Lizzy, or The 'Mats?

[Quinarvy]

:)

Although I can guess at least 3 of these will be in the top 5
Revolution Calling
Queen Of The Reich
Eyes Of A Stranger
I Don't Believe In Love
Silent Lucidity

Out of those 2 of them would be in my top 5

My top five would probably be

Breaking the Silence
Eyes of a Stranger
Best I Can
The Killing Words
Empire

[Dante1847]

NIN is definitely not a WTF choice, but the others I could see, especially if you say Billy Joel but no Elton John.

Id go with:

Velvet Underground
Joy Division
NIN
Elton John
The Cure
Alice in Chains
Smashing Pumpkins
The Rolling Stones (have they been done already?)
The Who
The Doors
U2
Sublime
System of a Down
CSNY
Grateful Dead (done already?)
Johnny Cash

actually, can you post the previous 16 for reference sake?

[a21schizoidman]

Talking Heads
Sonic Youth
Andrew WK
King Crimson
Billy Joel
Cypress Hill
Alan Parsons Project
Tom Waits
Elvis Costello
Cyndi Lauper
Beck
Yardbirds
Simon & Garfunkel
Ben Folds
Alice Cooper

[Evilbottom]

Death
Atheist
Judas Priest
King Diamond
Dream Theater
David Bowie
Pixies
Porcupine Tree
The Smiths
Cream
Deep Purple
Rainbow
Epica
King Crimson
Slayer
Mastodon

I'm not actually suggesting these 16 for the whole thing, but a lot have yet to be mentioned so I thought I ought to bring them into the conversation.

[Fizzeler]

My top five would probably be

Breaking the Silence
Eyes of a Stranger
Best I Can
The Killing Words
Empire

Good list :)

Mine goes:

Eyes Of A Stranger
Empire
Queen Of The Reich
The Needle Lies
Walk In The Shadows

Only one I might switch is The Needle Lies to Best I Can, but surprised at the lack of love for Rage For Order on this forum great album :)

[supernova1324]

System of a Down

Eh, there are not that many people that actually listen to them here.

[seriousbusson]

Eh, there are not that many people that actually listen to them here.

At the same time though, how many people here actually listen to White Stripes?

Can we at least switch them with RHCP if we have to have one more semi-modern alternative artist?

[tridentgum0]

Millionaires
Blackout Band
U2
brokeNCYDE
Dragonforce
Hollywood Undead
Nickelback

[neckermanncj]

Millionaires
Blackout Band
U2
brokeNCYDE
Dragonforce
Hollywood Undead
Nickelback

winner

[DrewLee865]

Death and Slayer.

[tridentgum0]

Also, lol @ Rage. I would only count on 3-4 HoR regs being a fan of them at all, but I can snap off some who hate them.

[Dante1847]

Eh, there are not that many people that actually listen to them here.

is that really a criteria for what bands are being listed? I doubt it is, or if it is, its a small one.

[seriousbusson]

I actually like RATM but there are a buttload of artists I'd do before them.

[CommonCriminal]

David Bowie

[a21schizoidman]

is that really a criteria for what bands are being listed? I doubt it is, or if it is, its a small one.

well, if no one listens to a band that posts here, there is no point for a thread that no one (or very little) will post in, now is there?

[DethTung]

Ok, so the first 16 Best Songs are finally done. What should the next 16 be?

My thoughts are currently:

Pearl Jam
Queensryche
Alice in Chains
The Who
David Bowie
Rage Against the Machine
Nine Inch Nails
The White Stripes
Kansas
Deep Purple
Billy Joel
Run-D.M.C.
Soundgarden
Alice Cooper
Aerosmith
AC/DC

Thoughts?

I agree with all of them, except for Kansas. Needs moar U2.

[Quinarvy]

Ok, so I've decided on some locks:

Queensryche
The Who
Sonic Youth
Alice Cooper
Deep Purple
Run-D.M.C.
David Bowie
Alice in Chains
Pearl Jam

That's 9/16 spots filled.

Seven left.

[back_blows]

As much as I don't like Acca Dacca and Aerosmith, they should definietly be locked in.

[DethTung]

As much as I don't like Acca Dacca and Aerosmith, they should definietly be locked in.

As should NIN and RATM.

[Quinarvy]

Ok, guys, let's decide the last 7 spots BS style.

Everyone just suggest which 5 bands they think should be in the last 7 spots, then I'll throw up a multi-choice poll.

Mine are:

NIN
Billy Joel
Aerosmith
AC/DC
Kansas

Edit: For the sake of my sanity, just take these five in your post and add to the list, and if you are backing an artist currently on it, just add the number of votes it has.

[ROCKBANDFANATIC7526]

Cream
CCR
Byrds
Doors
Rolling Stones
Beach Boys

that is all

[Quinarvy]

Edit: For the sake of my sanity, just take these five in your post and add to the list, and if you are backing an artist currently on it, just add the number of votes it has.


Cream
CCR
Byrds
Doors
Rolling Stones
Beach Boys

that is all

Five...Cream doesn't get an implied spot :p

And since my edit is too difficult for schiz: this is what I mean:

Ok, so lets take my suggestions:

NIN
Billy Joel
Kansas
AC/DC
Aerosmith

Lets say the next person wants:

AC/DC
Kansas
Cream
The Kinks
Slayer

Their post would be:

NIN
Billy Joel
Kansas (2)
AC/DC (2)
Aerosmith
Cream
The Kinks
Slayer...

Ok, so lets start anew with the original list:

NIN
Billy Joel
Kansas
AC/DC
Aerosmith

[a21schizoidman]

NIN
Billy Joel (2)
Kansas
AC/DC
Aerosmith
Tom Waits
Beck
The Cure
Alan Parsons Project

[ROCKBANDFANATIC7526]

NIN
Billy Joel (2)
Kansas
AC/DC
Aerosmith
Tom Waits
Beck
The Cure
Alan Parsons Project
Cream
The Doors
Beach Boys
The Byrds
CCR

[tridentgum0]

NIN
Billy Joel
Kansas (2)
AC/DC
Aerosmith (2) :o
Slayer!!
Mountain Goats
ELTON JOHN

[Quinarvy]

NIN
Billy Joel (2)
Kansas
AC/DC
Aerosmith
Tom Waits
Beck
The Cure
Alan Parsons Project


NIN
Billy Joel
Kansas
AC/DC
Aerosmith
Cream
The Doors
Beach Boys
The Byrds
CCR


NIN
Billy Joel (2)
Kansas (2)
AC/DC
Aerosmith (2) :o
Slayer!!
Mountain Goats
ELTON JOHN

Quick Fix:
NIN
Billy Joel
Kansas (2)
AC/DC
Aerosmith (2) :o
Slayer!!
Mountain Goats
Elton John
Cream
The Doors
Beach Boys
The Byrds
CCR
Tom Waits
Beck
The Cure
Alan Parsons Project

[tridentgum0]

Elton John, bro.

[back_blows]

NIN
Billy Joel
Kansas (2)
AC/DC (2)
Aerosmith (3)
Slayer (2)
Mountain Goats
Cream (2)
The Doors
Beach Boys
The Byrds
CCR (2)
Tom Waits
Beck
The Cure
Alan Parsons Project
Elton John

[Quinarvy]

NIN
Billy Joel (3)
Kansas (2)
AC/DC
Aerosmith (2)
Tom Waits
Beck
The Cure
Alan Parsons Project
Cream
The Doors
Beach Boys
The Byrds
CCR
Slayer
Mountain Goats
Elton John
The Clash
The Rolling Stones
Neil Young
Beck
Pixies

All fixed.

[back_blows]

Elton John!!

[clashcityrocker10]

NIN
Billy Joel (2)
Kansas (2)
AC/DC (2)
Aerosmith (3)
Slayer (2)
Mountain Goats
Cream (2)
The Doors
Beach Boys
The Byrds
CCR (3)
Tom Waits
Beck (2)
The Cure
Alan Parsons Project
The Clash
The Rolling Stones
Neil Young
Elton John

[Quinarvy]

Elton John!!

is in there?

[Quinarvy]

This is failing, badly.

[neckermanncj]

The Velvet Underground
NIN
Billy Joel (2)
Kansas (2)
AC/DC (2)
Aerosmith (3)
Slayer (2)
Mountain Goats (2)
Cream (2)
The Doors
Beach Boys
The Byrds
CCR (3)
Tom Waits
Beck (3)
The Cure (2)
Alan Parsons Project
The Clash (2)
The Rolling Stones
Neil Young

[ROCKBANDFANATIC7526]

A lot of ninjaing :D

[back_blows]

is in there?

Curse my eyes.

[tridentgum0]

Why didn't we do it like we pick the songs? My list would've been:

5. Elton John
4. Slayer
3. Kansas
2. Aerosmith
1. Mountain Goats

I think it's (somewhat) easier that way.

[seriousbusson]

The Velvet Underground (2)
NIN
Billy Joel (2)
Kansas (2)
AC/DC (2)
Aerosmith (3)
Slayer (2)
Mountain Goats (2)
Cream (2)
The Doors
Beach Boys
The Byrds
CCR (3)
Tom Waits
Beck (3)
The Cure (2)
Alan Parsons Project
The Clash (2)
The Rolling Stones
Neil Young
Prince
Thin Lizzy
Chuck Berry
Death

Or to follow trident:

5: Chuck Berry
4: Thin Lizzy
3: Prince
2: Death
1: The Velvet Underground

[Quinarvy]

Why didn't we do it like we pick the songs? My list would've been:

5. Elton John
4. Slayer
3. Kansas
2. Aerosmith
1. Mountain Goats

I think it's (somewhat) easier that way.

The list would have gotten so astronomically large and adding it up would have ended in me listening to Nickelback.

[clashcityrocker10]

I messed this thing up pretty badly. Sorry about that.

[ROCKBANDFANATIC7526]

I messed this thing up pretty badly. Sorry about that.

I think we all did :D

[Quinarvy]

I think we all did :D

The list currently up is what we go with.

[mercury11]

VU

[MrFruitLord]

The Smashing Pumpkins, The Doors, and Deep Purple.

[TragicEnd666]

no pink floyd :(

[40FootWolf]

I'm gonna pick my top four of those, in order:

1. The Who
2. David Bowie
3. Rage Against The Machine
4. AC/DC

I feel like those four are the most "essential" bands on that list.

[a21schizoidman]

3. Rage against the machine

i feel like those four are the most "essential" bands on that list.

lol

[ROCKBANDFANATIC7526]

mega lol @ rage

[Dante1847]

well, if no one listens to a band that posts here, there is no point for a thread that no one (or very little) will post in, now is there?

wrong aschiz....based off the bands already done, its fair to say that we're looking at popularly known/mainstream acts that have been established for some time...however wide or thin you want to apply that definition. and frankly, we have a lot of posters on the forum that reject mainstream or do not listen to a lot of those bands, but have participated anyways in acknowledgment of those bands' achievements. we basically started with Rock N Roll Hall of Fame artists/bands and have expanded from there

so yes, I think saying that a criteria based off what posters listen to is a poor gauge for what bands are now going to be considered. I mean seriously...which bands would YOU honestly recommend, Mr Prog-nosticator. I know which ones I would, but have bit my tongue and offered alternative bands given the conditions set by previous selectees

[a21schizoidman]

wrong aschiz....based off the bands already done, its fair to say that we're looking at popularly known/mainstream acts that have been established for some time...however wide or thin you want to apply that definition. and frankly, we have a lot of posters on the forum that reject mainstream or do not listen to a lot of those bands, but have participated anyways in acknowledgment of those bands' achievements. we basically started with Rock N Roll Hall of Fame artists/bands and have expanded from there

so yes, I think saying that a criteria based off what posters listen to is a poor gauge for what bands are now going to be considered. I mean seriously...which bands would YOU honestly recommend, Mr Prog-nosticator. I know which ones I would, but have bit my tongue and offered alternative bands given the conditions set by previous selectees
or you can go look again, i have my list of 16, and if you actually read some posts sometime you'd see i agree with some bands on Quin's list, now, let's go to common sense

if Band A isn't very well liked on the part of the forum who participates in these Best Song threads, then there is no point on including them, if you are gonna make a thread that revolves around a band that isn't liked, it will not get many posts and is a waste of time, the point is to get people to participate and have a good discussion about music, not to post about Poster X's fav. or somewhat liked band that only Posters R, Y, T, N, O, and K like, then it will get 6 or 7 posts and probably some people who go in and say "Band A sucks"

ergo, putting a band in that people don't like makes no sense, why waste a spot when you can put in a more well liked band that will get a lot of responses and have a good discussion, which would be the actual point of this thread

[Zeleii]

or you can go look again, i have my list of 16, and if you actually read some posts sometime you'd see i agree with some bands on Quin's list, now, let's go to common sense

if Band A isn't very well liked on the part of the forum who participates in these Best Song threads, then there is no point on including them, if you are gonna make a thread that revolves around a band that isn't liked, it will not get many posts and is a waste of time, the point is to get people to participate and have a good discussion about music, not to post about Poster X's fav. or somewhat liked band that only Posters R, Y, T, N, O, and K like, then it will get 6 or 7 posts and probably some people who go in and say "Band A sucks"

ergo, putting a band in that people don't like makes no sense, why waste a spot when you can put in a more well liked band that will get a lot of responses and have a good discussion, which would be the actual point of this thread
Basically, putting a thread geared and designed to serve a very strict and small fanbase is pointless. Pretty much a waste of bandwidth.

What Schiz said tl;dr version

[Zeleii]

Not for my list?

I'll put 10? Sounds good

1) Velvet Underground (If you say they are small, off yourself)
2) The Cure
3) Iron Maiden (Maiden made some masterpieces
4) The Pixies
5) King Diamond
6) Joy Division
7) My Bloody Valentine
8) Replacements
9) Siouxsie and the Banshees
10) Sonic Youth

[40FootWolf]

lol

Just 'cause you don't like 'em doesn't mean they're not important. Or good.

[a21schizoidman]

Just 'cause you don't like 'em doesn't mean they're not important. Or good.
lol, i like RATM, but to call them "Essential" is laughable

[40FootWolf]

lol, i like RATM, but to call them "Essential" is laughable

I disagree, I feel like their self titled debut and The Battle For Los Angeles are must-haves for a well-rounded album collection.

We may have to just agree to disagree on that one, though. You can't deny that they've had a tremendous impact on modern music, however.

[neckermanncj]

Not for my list?

I'll put 10? Sounds good

1) Velvet Underground (If you say they are small, off yourself)
2) The Cure
3) Iron Maiden (Maiden made some masterpieces
4) The Pixies
5) King Diamond
6) Joy Division
7) My Bloody Valentine
8) Replacements
9) Siouxsie and the Banshees
10) Sonic Youth

great list!

[Chainedsoulz]

EDIT:

I'd like too see

The White Stripes
Elton John
Kansas
Queensryche
Alice in Chains.

[seriousbusson]

Not for my list?

I'll put 10? Sounds good

3) Iron Maiden (Maiden made some masterpieces


Maiden had their own round last bracket. "Hallowed Be Thy Name" was the winner.

[Quinarvy]

Ok, so that list idea failed.

How about this for the 10 poll spots?

Kansas
Billy Joel
Aerosmith
AC/DC
Cream
CCR
Slayer
The Clash
Elton John
The Velvet Underground

[tridentgum0]

Ok, so that list idea failed.

How about this for the 10 poll spots?

Kansas
Billy Joel
Aerosmith
AC/DC
Cream
CCR
Slayer
The Clash
Elton John
The Velvet Underground

I approve of the artists in green.

[clashcityrocker10]

^^Looks good to me.

[LegendofRock3021]

Ok, so that list idea failed.

How about this for the 10 poll spots?

Kansas
Billy Joel
Aerosmith
AC/DC
Cream
CCR
Slayer
The Clash
Elton John
The Velvet Underground

Looks good, I have no qualms with it.

[ROCKBANDFANATIC7526]

ok, so that list idea failed.

How about this for the 10 poll spots?

Kansas
billy joel
aerosmith
ac/dc
Cream
ccr
slayer
the clash
elton john
the velvet underground

:):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):)

[neckermanncj]

^needs moar Sonic Youth, Replacements, Goats

[Alright_Computer]

ROLLING STONES, man. ROLLING STONES.

[Wiiman95]

Dream Theater
Queensryche
Testament
Iron Maiden

[ROCKBANDFANATIC7526]

Iron Maiden has been done, and a ****ty song won ;) Rhyming FTW!

[Fizzeler]

Ok, so that list idea failed.

How about this for the 10 poll spots?

Kansas
YES
Billy Joel
Aerosmith
Cream
CCR
Slayer
The Clash
Elton John
The Velvet Underground

fixed with one more artist added and one removed

[a21schizoidman]

Iron Maiden has been done, and a ****ty song won ;) Rhyming FTW!

you're an idiot



You can't deny that they've had a tremendous impact on modern music, however.

yes i can


Ok, so that list idea failed.

How about this for the 10 poll spots?

Kansas
Billy Joel
Aerosmith
AC/DC
Cream
CCR
Slayer
The Clash
Elton John
The Velvet Underground
green is ones i think are good
blue are ones i think would be meh
and uncolored are ones where i don't think i'd go over too well

[DrewLee865]

Slayer better be on there before Billy Joel and CCR.

[a21schizoidman]

Slayer better be on there before Billy Joey and CCR.

who is Billy Joey?

and Billy Joel is awesome, Slayer is meh

[DrewLee865]

Billy Joey is a typo.

[back_blows]

and Billy Joel is awesome, Slayer is meh

You've got it the other way round schiz.

[a21schizoidman]

You've got it the other way round schiz.

i'm pretty sure i don't

[ROCKBANDFANATIC7526]

Slayer better be on there before Billy Joel and CCR.

Uhh CCR>>>Slayer!!!

FACT!!!

[Dante1847]

ROLLING STONES, man. ROLLING STONES.

agreed. otherwise I have no problem with the list

[Meyernltn]

The Doors and My Bloody Valentine.

[seriousbusson]

Yeah please replace Kansas or AC/DC with Prince or the Stones. Otherwise I'm liking it.

[Hungryfreak]

How about some Sonic Youth and Dead Kennedys?