Has Anyone Seen This Idiotic Commercial?

[CCDaDon]

There's this commercial for an electronical cigarrette that has no nicotine and no smell.

It is the dumbest thing I have ever seen. When I first saw it, my Mom, a lifetime smoker, said "Do they even know the point for smoking!? That's just for people who think it looks cool.".

I thought about it and I have to say... Yeah that's pretty much what it's for. And pretty much the last person who thought smoking looked cool died in the 90's.

[Joey-Z]

Yeah, they do demos at the local mall.
Looks stupid as hell.

[Daesania]

Actually, its not as stupid as you'd think. I was a 5 year smoker, my husband a 10 or so year smoker. Sometimes when we are out drinking, there's something just missing not having a cigarette in your hand while you're out with friends who DO smoke.

We contemplated buying these just so we could have something with us when we were out drinking.

Just because you dont understand why doesnt mean its stupid.

For the record, we've been smoke free for 10 months.

[CCDaDon]

Actually, its not as stupid as you'd think. I was a 5 year smoker, my husband a 10 or so year smoker. Sometimes when we are out drinking, there's something just missing not having a cigarette in your hand while you're out with friends who DO smoke.

We contemplated buying these just so we could have something with us when we were out drinking.

Just because you dont understand why doesnt mean its stupid.

For the record, we've been smoke free for 10 months.

I'm sorry but that just sounds... kinda dumb... If you feel something is missing because there isn't a cigarette in your hand then you have better things to worry about...

[Daesania]

I'm sorry but that just sounds... kinda dumb... If you feel something is missing because there isn't a cigarette in your hand then you have better things to worry about...

Unless you've been a smoker, you cannot comment on how "dumb" it is.

[athenahollow]

Lots of people can get over the physical addiction. It's the repetitive nature of smoking (i.e. idle hands, oral fixations, etc) that is the hardest part to break.

So apparently your mom has never tried to quit smoking, or she would have realized this part. Same with yourself.

[topperharley]

I haven't seen that commercial, but that anti-smoking ad where the woman blends a margarita at her desk and then goes out for a smoke is really ****ing stupid.

[Joey-Z]

I'm sure you would've joined in a laugh at the kids (http://c2.api.ning.com/files/S2QjNaKW8sOx-LctqTucYXcIP*AWI604j6rhoA-WazHKqkT0l05UwueSrIikglg0LGaOCRf02XEIxMfgJr7l4QXjI Kxiy4pl/wigger.jpg) trying these at the mall.
It was hilarious. :D

[athenahollow]

But you aren't saying this commercial is Idiotic, Don. You are saying the PRODUCT is. Might wanna fix your topic there buddy.

[CCDaDon]

^It's an idiotic commercial for an idiotic product. :p It does a terrible job at actually selling the product.
Unless you've been a smoker, you cannot comment on how "dumb" it is.

I've grown up with my parents being heavy smokers and a grandmother who was a heavy smoker. I might as well have been a smoker.

Where I was going with that was, assuming you have quit since, if you still feel like you need a cigarette in your hand or else you feel like something is missing, you need to work more torwards the urges and feelings you used to have than having to find a way that could get you back into smoking.

/runonsentence

[davidshek]

I'm sorry but that just sounds... kinda dumb... If you feel something is missing because there isn't a cigarette in your hand then you have better things to worry about...

The habit of smoking is not just about the nicotine addiction. There's quite a bit of social and habitual physical addiction there as well. The physical habit of holding something while you're having a beer, talking to somebody, that stuff is every bit as hard to break as the nicotine addiction itself.

As Daes said, it's something virtually impossible to understand unless you've 'been there, done that', and no, just living with a smoker doesn't count. :)

And for the record, the electronic cigarettes I've seen are not nicotine-free. They are tobacco-free, however, and I think that's where you got confused. They use a heating element to atomize a nicotine solution into a smoke-free vapor, which is inhaled by the user.

http://www.smokingeverywhere.com/index.php
http://www.electroniccigarettesinc.com/

[athenahollow]

The habit of smoking is not just about the nicotine addiction. There's quite a bit of social and habitual physical addiction there as well. The physical habit of holding something while you're having a beer, talking to somebody, that stuff is every bit as hard to break as the nicotine addiction itself.

As Daes said, it's something virtually impossible to understand unless you've 'been there, done that', and no, just living with a smoker doesn't count. :)

And for the record, the electronic cigarettes I've seen are not nicotine-free. They use a heating element to atomize a nicotine solution into a smoke-free vapor, which is inhaled by the user.

Absolutely right. But there are nicotine free ones as well. The brand I use also has a nicotine free solution that is just the other 3 ingredients (propylene glycol, water and flavor) that helps if you are quitting but still need the feel that you are smoking.

And unless you've used an electronic cigarette, you can't say it doesn't feel like you are smoking.
I go back and forth between the real thing and the electronic ones. The real ones, with tobacco, I try to reserve for when I'm extremely stressed or my batteries both need charged.

[Daesania]

^It's an idiotic commercial for an idiotic product. :p It does a terrible job at actually selling the product.

I've grown up with my parents being heavy smokers and a grandmother who is a heavy smoker. I might as well have been a smoker.

Where I was going with that was, assuming you have quit since, if you still feel like you need a cigarette in your hand or else you feel like something is missing, you need to work more torwards the urges and feelings you used to have than having to find a way that could get you back into smoking.

/runonsentence

No, You cannot consider yourself a smoker just because you've lived with them. I'm not going to get into a huge debate about this, but unless you've been there and done that, you have NO IDEA what its like to quit smoking.


The habit of smoking is not just about the nicotine addiction. There's quite a bit of social and habitual physical addiction there as well. The physical habit of holding something while you're having a beer, talking to somebody, that stuff is every bit as hard to break as the nicotine addiction itself.

As Daes said, it's something virtually impossible to understand unless you've 'been there, done that', and no, just living with a smoker doesn't count. :)

And for the record, the electronic cigarettes I've seen are not nicotine-free. They use a heating element to atomize a nicotine solution into a smoke-free vapor, which is inhaled by the user.

David, they do offer nicotine free e-cigs. Blu in particular offers them as I've actually looked into them. :)

[davidshek]

David, they do offer nicotine free e-cigs. Blu in particular offers them as I've actually looked into them. :)

Well that's news to me then. Still, it does make sense to offer them as an option for once you've broken the nicotine addiction but still need to break the physical 'habit'.

[Jglaubman]

you have NO IDEA what its like to quit smoking.

"Yes I do, it's as hard as it is to START flossing!" - Mitch Hedberg

[monkeyfish]

Actually, its not as stupid as you'd think. I was a 5 year smoker, my husband a 10 or so year smoker. Sometimes when we are out drinking, there's something just missing not having a cigarette in your hand while you're out with friends who DO smoke.

We contemplated buying these just so we could have something with us when we were out drinking.

Just because you dont understand why doesnt mean its stupid.

For the record, we've been smoke free for 10 months.

I can understand some of the logic in this (when my girlfriend quit, she got the habit of rolling up receipts and dollar bills without realizing it), but I honestly don't think a toy cigarette is the answer. Or at least it's not a very forward-thinking one.

[bradylicious9]

is this the one that's supposed to help you stop?
by slowly putting small doses of nicotine in you making you less dependent?

[Joey-Z]

"Yes I do, it's as hard as it is to START flossing!" - Mitch Hedberg

Solid gold :D

[CCDaDon]

The "I might as well be" was sarcastic.

Also the smokers who have tried to quit that I know think this is a stupid product too. They've all said the same things. "It does nothing but look like a cigarette, and if you feel you need to just have one in your hand you need help that that thing isn't going to give you."

[Daesania]

Well that's news to me then. Still, it does make sense to offer them as an option for once you've broken the nicotine addiction but still need to break the physical 'habit'.

Its been offered for quite a while but that's neither here nor there.

CC: To your statement about how i need to "get over" things, considering I havent smoked in 10 months, its pretty clear to me that I'm over it. However, once you're a smoker, you're ALWAYS going to have urges. My mother quit smoking over 10 years ago and she still says she craves a cig now and again when she's having a drink or when she was around me smoking.

Having those nicotine free cigs are a safer alternative to have if you're out with friends who consistently smoke instead of giving into a REAL nicotine craving.

[ultimatespidey81]

i never understood the attraction to smoking but whatever helps people to quit im all for it. smoking is banned in all public places in the chi so for non-smokers like me the fresh air inside the local pub is....refreshing :D

[athenahollow]

is this the one that's supposed to help you stop?
by slowly putting small doses of nicotine in you making you less dependent?

Probably not. Electronic cigarettes don't have a setup like that yet.

[Daesania]

is this the one that's supposed to help you stop?
by slowly putting small doses of nicotine in you making you less dependent?

Yes, with the Blu brand cigs, you can go down in nicotine until you've ran the course of the nicotine addiction.

[Lawdog1521]

A stupid commercial would be the one with the bears using toilet paper. I doubt a bear would care how soft it was.

[CCDaDon]

But once you've quit you're in control of what you can do with those cravings. Sometimes its alot better to fight cravings by doing nothing about it than trying to do something, like buying a fake cigarette, because that can easily cause a relapse.

[Daesania]

But once you've quit you're in control of what you can do with those cravings. Sometimes its alot better to fight cravings by doing nothing about it than trying to do something, like buying a fake cigarette, because that can easily cause a relapse.

Well, i guess i'm wrong, a teen non smoker clearly knows much more than an adult who has gone through quitting smoking. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Whatever peeps, i'm out of this thread.

[Joey-Z]

Its been offered for quite a while but that's neither here nor there.

CC: To your statement about how i need to "get over" things, considering I havent smoked in 10 months, its pretty clear to me that I'm over it. However, once you're a smoker, you're ALWAYS going to have urges. My mother quit smoking over 10 years ago and she still says she craves a cig now and again when she's having a drink or when she was around me smoking.

Having those nicotine free cigs are a safer alternative to have if you're out with friends who consistently smoke instead of giving into a REAL nicotine craving.

Does it have the same effect as cigarettes, just without the niccotine?
It could still be enabling the dopamine adiction that smokers and addicts have.

[athenahollow]

Well, i guess i'm wrong, a teen non smoker clearly knows much more than an adult who has gone through quitting smoking. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Whatever peeps, i'm out of this thread.

This. to the max.

[CCDaDon]

Well, i guess i'm wrong, a teen non smoker clearly knows much more than an adult who has gone through quitting smoking. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Whatever peeps, i'm out of this thread.

Yeah, I guess being around and watching a bunch of smokers who have gone through relapse all of my life means nothing because I'm 17 and have only smoked twice. :rolleyes:

[hawkofva]

Yeah, I guess being around and watching a bunch of smokers who have gone through relapse all of my life means nothing because I'm 17 and have only smoked twice. :rolleyes:

No, it means nothing because you haven't personally gone through the addiction/withdrawal stuff. People deal in different ways, and if this helps some of them, that's more than enough to justify it's existence. Because you personally don't think it would help you quit (a situation you haven't actually been in), doesn't mean it wouldn't help someone else and doesn't make it an idiotic product.

Humans aren't carbon copies of each other. What works for some people doesn't work for others. This shouldn't be a new concept to anyone here.

[Banky71]

No, it means nothing because you haven't personally gone through the addiction/withdrawal stuff. People deal in different ways, and if this helps some of them, that's more than enough to justify it's existence. Because you personally don't think it would help you quit (a situation you haven't actually been in), doesn't mean it wouldn't help someone else and doesn't make it an idiotic product.

Humans aren't carbon copies of each other. What works for some people doesn't work for others. This shouldn't be a new concept to anyone here.

I think if it helps one person quit then it is totally worth it.

[bradylicious9]

Yes, with the Blu brand cigs, you can go down in nicotine until you've ran the course of the nicotine addiction.

yeah, my uncle has one of those.
he about made my mom piss her pants when he brought it out in our house xD

[benson111]

I smoke. I could care less what people think because i do. I enjoy it, and don't really care if i die because of it. I don't drink alcohol, I don't do recreational drugs of any kind. I don't tell people that just because I smoke they should too. I also don't go around being a hypocrite either. I smoke because I choose to. I think e-cigs are great for people who want to quit. Regardless of what anyone thinks, if this helps people get on the wagon, great.

as many have said in this thread,"You don't really know the affects of smoking until you have tried to stop." Everyone is affected differently by nicotine.

[The Highway To Hell]

I personally think Extenze for woman is a bigger fail. he he he, see wut I did thur?

[chumsicles]

no but I'd love to see it. Anyone got a link?

[toymachineSH]

Unless you've been a smoker, you cannot comment on how "dumb" it is.

Yeah very true- I guess a way to relate to it would be to tell people on here to just stop playing Rock Band.

[4FringeBenefits4]

LOL at living with a smoker gives you insight.

Quitting smoking is pure will, and always will be. Any gum/quitting aid is just a form of placebo. Nobody is actually addicted to the contents of smoking, they are addicted to smoking itself - the action/feeling.

CCdaDon, you don't smoke, never have, so in all honesty, youre opinion is meaningless on this subject.

[R33DH4M]

They're ****ing dumb and make you look like an idiot more the cigarettes already do.

[kiggidykev]

While I haven't seen this commercial, I'm surprised that the product in question has prompted such a heated conversation here. All commercials are idiotic to an extent; just last night watching NFL with my folks, I counted three commercials that insinuated that my holiday gifts were crappy and insignificant unless I get everyone a new car.

As for the product itself? I don't care if people smoke, I just don't want to be around it. If it makes people happy and doesn't hurt me, then go for it. If the commercial or product offend you that much, then turn the channel or don't buy it. That's easy, right?

[R33DH4M]

I smoked cigs for 6 years and quit cold turkey. It wasn't hard at all people are just ****ing wimps and need to feel cool around their friends and to be able to go outside and have a reason to talk to people while smoking. Also it gives slackers at work endless amounts of breaks and makes them feel like they're the coolest ones in the office. Have fun getting cancer, you ****head smokers.

[kiggidykev]

You should probably edit that harsh message or there will be problems

[davidshek]

Quitting smoking is pure will, and always will be. Any gum/quitting aid is just a form of placebo. Nobody is actually addicted to the contents of smoking, they are addicted to smoking itself - the action/feeling.

Absolutely untrue. While there is a physical habit site of smoking, nicotine addition is very real.


I smoked cigs for 6 years and quit cold turkey. It wasn't hard at all people are just ****ing wimps and need to feel cool around their friends and to be able to go outside and have a reason to talk to people while smoking.

Every chemical affects every person differently. It's quite possible that your body never actually developed an addiction to nicotine. But to say that just because it wasn't hard for you means that it's not hard for everybody is an untruthitude.

[4FringeBenefits4]

Nicotine addiction may be real, but very very minor. It's more of a cop out IMO.

"It's not my fault I can't quit, it's because of my body's dependance on nicotine!"

No. It's because you have no will power. I smoked for 5 years, quit cold turkey. 4 years later I began smoking again to offset another vice of mine, with the intention of using cigarettes as a crutch until I could comfortably quit again. Best idea? Not really. However, it did serve it's purpose as less than 2 years later, I quit again cold turkey because I remained true to my plan of quitting again. That was years ago, haven't gone back since. Do I still want a cigarette? Sometimes yeah, and guess what? That has nothing to do with nicotine.

[davidshek]

Nicotine addiction may be real, but very very minor. It's more of a cop out IMO.

You're wrong, flat out wrong. In fact, I don't think you could BE more wrong. Nicotine is highly addictive and one of the more lethal substances known to man.

Here's some data for you:
American Heart Association - http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=4753


The 1988 Surgeon General's Report, "Nicotine Addiction," concluded that

* Cigarettes and other forms of tobacco are addicting.
* Nicotine is the drug that causes addiction.
* Pharmacologic and behavioral characteristics that determine tobacco addiction are similar to those that determine addiction to drugs such as heroin and cocaine.

See that last point that I highlighted? Similar addiction characteristics to heroin and cocaine. Still want to call it "very very minor"?

Here's some more, just in case you don't believe the Surgeon General.

WhyQuit.com - http://whyquit.com/whyquit/LinksAAddiction.html
NIDA (National Institute on Drug Abuse) - http://www.nida.nih.gov/ResearchReports/Nicotine/Nicotine.html

[ryan12147]

The last point Daes made made a lot of sense. I never really got the whole e-cigarette thing but she basically made it make sense. I thought it was a pretty stupid idea at first too but it seems pretty cool.

[gmarsh]

I'm not sure if this is the commercial you're talking about.

But I saw an idiotic commercial the other night for something called the "E Z Smoker."

[Wolfbeckett]

I've grown up with my parents being heavy smokers and a grandmother who was a heavy smoker. I might as well have been a smoker.

That's funny I am in the same situation. I myself have never smoked a single cigarette, but my mom has been smoking since shortly after I was born (she did quit while pregnant, thanks mom!) And yet I have come out of it with the exact opposite perspective as you. Like you, I really don't understand the addiction having never had it, but unlike you, I don't say "well how bad can it be." I've watched her smoke forever and any products like this that help people get off the cigarettes are very welcome in my book. Hell these things are great even if people don't use them to quit, in the worst case scenario they aren't polluting their lungs with tar and **** anymore and produce zero second hand smoke.

[DeadPhoenix223]

i dont understand why people smoke in the first place.
not trying to sound rude or anything.

[Jglaubman]

i dont understand why people smoke in the first place.
not trying to sound rude or anything.

This is what I was kind of thinking reading this thread. I feel like people who are addicted to cigarettes act like they were forced to start smoking when really they made their choice to damage themselves. (Sorry if that sounded preachy).

[DeadPhoenix223]

This is what I was kind of thinking reading this thread. I feel like people who are addicted to cigarettes act like they were forced to start smoking when really they made their choice to damage themselves. (Sorry if that sounded preachy).

Well... I've just seen to many people die from addictions like this... I just dont understand it.

I know it's hard to get out... but... Why'd ya get in?

[Joey-Z]

Well... I've just seen to many people die from addictions like this... I just dont understand it.

I know it's hard to get out... but... Why'd ya get in?

I always thaught this summed it up quite nicley.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbQ4JNpXPTY

[Wolfbeckett]

This is what I was kind of thinking reading this thread. I feel like people who are addicted to cigarettes act like they were forced to start smoking when really they made their choice to damage themselves. (Sorry if that sounded preachy).

I have never met any smokers who acted like they were forced to smoke, I don't know where this is even coming from.


Well... I've just seen to many people die from addictions like this... I just dont understand it.

I know it's hard to get out... but... Why'd ya get in?

For the same reason people start any bad habits. Because people aren't perfect, we all make mistakes. Sometimes people make poor decisions even when they know it's not the best thing to be doing.

[Veganpunk]

I quit a 15 year smoking habit using Swedish snus. NOT CAMEL. It's a safe alternative, due to almost non existent tsna levels.

[ffwarrior47]

Yeah, just like R33DH4M, i quit cold turkey... but damn, i wish i had some of those e-cigs around, haha.

[Sarge51]

Ever hear of a thing called the placebo effect? :/ Not sure if that works on something like smoking, but just a thought.

[4FringeBenefits4]

See that last point that I highlighted? Similar addiction characteristics to heroin and cocaine. Still want to call it "very very minor"?



Just because a characteristic is similar doesn't mean anything. A centipede is similar to me because it breathes air just like me. That doesn't make it anything close to the same.

Do you smoke David?

[Jglaubman]

I have never met any smokers who acted like they were forced to smoke, I don't know where this is even coming from.

Whenever someone says "Unless you have been there, you have no idea how hard it is to quit smoking", that seems to me like they want people to feel sorry for them. I have no sympathy whatsoever for people who are addicted to cigarettes because it is one of the easiest things on earth to not be addicted to. JUST DON'T DO IT!

[Mex]

Whenever someone says "Unless you have been there, you have no idea how hard it is to quit smoking", that seems to me like they want people to feel sorry for them. I have no sympathy whatsoever for people who are addicted to cigarettes because it is one of the easiest things on earth to not be addicted to. JUST DON'T DO IT!

No, it's a nice way of saying "You don't know what you're effing talking about".

I smoke. I started out of sheer boredom in high school and eventually became addicted to it. Like others have said, there are many levels to the addiction, the nicotine itself, the social aspect, the oral fixation, needing something in your hand, etc etc.

Now, never in my life have I met a smoker that wanted sympathy from a non-smoker. Moreso, when push comes to shove it's understanding they're looking for, and even then they don't go looking for it, it comes about when some people that (no offense) don't know what they're talking about start spewing nonsense about it. You have every right to do so non-smokers and we have every right to point out how ridiculous you're being.

No, being around smokers all your life does not mean you understand it. Just like being around my mother and sister for most of my life doesn't mean I understand what it's like to be a woman.

Moving on, to the smokers who quit after 5-6 years (that's really not that long to be honest) and now like to crap on those that have not been succesful, congratulations! You are such amazing strong willed people! We should all bow down before you...oh wait no, you're acting like douchebags and nobody cares. But hey congrats, I'm sure there is some correlation between remaining nicotine free and sitting atop a very high horse.

As for the product in question I think it's very interesting. It's not for people who have already quit really, it's for those on the journey. If you don't see the value in it you are either a non-smoker or very closed minded. MANY smokers need help quitting and there is nothing wrong with that. If I am a few weeks in to quitting and I'm freaking out , this is a much better alternative to a real cigarette.

Anyway, to sum it up, talking crap about something you really don't understand does nothing but piss people off and make you look extremely ignorant and douchey. You're entitled to that though, so if that's your aim, have at it.

[Pwnz0r3d]

I dont see how it would work.

Does it have nicotine at all?
And since its smokeless, what the hell are they smoking?

[Jglaubman]

I smoke. I started out of sheer boredom in high school and eventually became addicted to it. Like others have said, there are many levels to the addiction, the nicotine itself, the social aspect, the oral fixation, needing something in your hand, etc etc.

Now, never in my life have I met a smoker that wanted sympathy from a non-smoker. Moreso, when push comes to shove it's understanding they're looking for, and even then they don't go looking for it, it comes about when some people that (no offense) don't know what they're talking about start spewing nonsense about it. You have every right to do so non-smokers and we have every right to point out how ridiculous you're being.

You're right, I have no idea how hard it is to stop smoking. I also have no idea how much it hurts to jump off a mountain, or how much it hurts to eat glass, or a lot of stuff.

So, I guess I can say, to all you smokers, you have no idea how easy it is to not smoke. It's really easy, you just don't light cigarettes and put them in your mouth.

I really don't want to sound like I'm being douchey (which I probably am) it's just how I feel. I don't care if you smoke, as long as it's not around me.

[Ryuzaki]

Well... I've just seen to many people die from addictions like this... I just dont understand it.

I know it's hard to get out... but... Why'd ya get in?

Maybe these will provide some insight?


Unless you've been a smoker, you cannot comment on how "dumb" it is.

As Daes said, it's something virtually impossible to understand unless you've 'been there, done that', and no, just living with a smoker doesn't count. :)

No, You cannot consider yourself a smoker just because you've lived with them. I'm not going to get into a huge debate about this, but unless you've been there and done that, you have NO IDEA what its like to quit smoking.

Yeah, I guess being around and watching a bunch of smokers who have gone through relapse all of my life means nothing because I'm 17 and have only smoked twice. :rolleyes:

CCdaDon, you don't smoke, never have, so in all honesty, youre opinion is meaningless on this subject.

No it's a nice way of saying "You don't know what you're effing talking about".

I smoke.
Smokers have a much higher advantage, socially, than non-smokers. I feel that this thread makes that very clear.
And with a mere bad decision on your part, you could be a smoker too.

[Mex]

I dont see how it would work.

Does it have nicotine at all?
And since its smokeless, what the hell are they smoking?

You have the option of nicotine in some of them. They're not really "smoking" anything. Some of them just light up on the tip to simulate smoking, others light up and expel water vapor into your mouth, which can be exhaled, again to simulate smoking.


You're right, I have no idea how hard it is to stop smoking. I also have no idea how much it hurts to jump off a mountain, or how much it hurts to eat glass, or a lot of stuff.

So, I guess I can say, to all you smokers, you have no idea how easy it is to not smoke. It's really easy, you just don't light cigarettes and put them in your mouth.

I really don't want to sound like I'm being douchey (which I probably am) it's just how I feel. I don't care if you smoke, as long as it's not around me.

It's easy not to start smoking, I agree. Once you're addicted, stopping is very difficult.

[hawkofva]

Just like being around my mother and sister for most of my life doesn't mean I understand what it's like to be a woman.

Can't... stop... fit... of laughter... :D

Also, amen to everything else you said. The holier-than-thou attitudes of some of the people in this thread are despicable.

[voodoo618]

And pretty much the last person who thought smoking looked cool died in the 90's.

So smoking is now fun/healthy?

[CCDaDon]

So smoking is now fun/healthy?

wat. What the hell are you trying to say that I said? I basically said "NO ONE THINKS IT LOOKS COOL ANYMORE". There's no hidden meaning.

[voodoo618]

wat. What the hell are you trying to say that I said? I basically said "NO ONE THINKS IT LOOKS COOL ANYMORE". There's no hidden meaning.

I misunderstood, apparently. I thought you meant people who started smoking didn't think it was cool anymore. I just must have misinterpreted your post.

The quote of your mom also threw me off as to what you were implying.

[Mex]

Can't... stop... fit... of laughter... :D

Also, amen to everything else you said. The holier-than-thou attitudes of some of the people in this thread are despicable.

Tis the season? ;)

[zack10house]

I'm gonna have to agree with the majority here. This is a great product. I've never smoked, I never will, I know the risks and it's not worth it, but anything that helps people quit and eliminates second hand smoke completely is perfectly okay in my book

[CCDaDon]

To the people who have said "You never smoked, you don't know how it's like", I guess you missed the part where I said I've smoked before. It was only 2-3 times but I hated the crap out of it and hated huge urge to do it again. Still get it from time to time. But I know the health risks and that + the fact that I now know what it's like and hate it, and that's enough for me to not do it.

I know everyone reacts differently, but that doesn't mean that buying fake ones can help you out. I still think that buying fake ones just widen the chance of relapse.

[Mex]

To the people who have said "You never smoked, you don't know how it's like", I guess you missed the part where I said I've smoked before. It was only 2-3 times but I hated the crap out of it and hated huge urge to do it again. Still get it from time to time. But I know the health risks and that + the fact that I now know what it's like and hate it, and that's enough for me to not do it.

I know everyone reacts differently, but that doesn't mean that buying fake ones can help you out. I still think that buying fake ones just widen the chance of relapse.

I think what most people (or at least I) meant was that unless you've been a "smoker", regularly smoking for an extended period to the point of addiction, you wouldn't really know what it's like.

As far as these things making you relapse...is it possible? Sure I guess. Likely? Don't really think so. I'll tell you what is more likely to cause a relapse :

-A REALLY bad day
-Being drunk
-Being around others smoking
-Great sex

Yeah that last one might seem odd, but for alot of smokers it's what you want to do right after.

Anyway, I don't think this would make someone relapse any more than holding a pen in your mouth.

[CCDaDon]

I can see many people smoking the fake smoke and thinking "You know this would be better if it were real" and that being the start of the relapse process.

[Mex]

I can see many people smoking the fake smoke and thinking "You know this would be better if it were real" and that being the start of the relapse process.

They already know that when they stuff it in their mouth dude. They've already made the decision to smoke the fake one and NOT the real one.

[CCDaDon]

They already know that when they stuff it in their mouth dude. They've already made the decision to smoke the fake one and NOT the real one.

BUT the average person is more than likely to forget what real smoke is like and figure to try it just once again.

Kind of like how non alcoholic beer doesn't really help ex alcoholics.

All of this is just by knowing how the average person reacts to certain things. I know alot of you won't go through any of that, but most of us are far from normal.

[Mex]

BUT the average person is more than likely to forget what real smoke is like and figure to try it just once again.

Kind of like how non alcoholic beer doesn't really help ex alcoholics.

All of this is just by knowing how the average person reacts to certain things. I know alot of you won't go through any of that, but most of us are far from normal.

Forget what real smoke is like? I don't think you understand how this product is supposed to be used.

I quit smoking. No smokes at all. I'm at work, craving one. Now I can either go buy a pack and have one, or I can use this fake cigarette to calm the craving.

I do this, over a period of time until those cravings go away. Then I stop with the fake cigarette.

It's like nicotine gum, you use it when you've got a really bad craving.

[CCDaDon]

I think I used the wrong word. Not forget, but more like want the real feeling. Kinda like how some people are stupid enough to not use a condom for "more feeling".

[Mex]

I think I used the wrong word. Not forget, but more like want the real feeling. Kinda like how some people are stupid enough to not use a condom for "more feeling".

If they want the real thing that badly, and the fake cigarette isn't doing it, they'll go get the real thing. It doesn't matter if they use it or not. They could never use the fake cig and go back to smoking. In fact alot of studies have shown it takes repeated attempts to quit for good.

Trust me, having a few drinks or being around people smoking is alot more likely to make someone "relapse".

[bmaninc]

I love smoking...the sausage. :D

I work in a sausage plant, for those who don't know by now.

[TVRobot]

I personally think Extenze for woman is a bigger fail. he he he, see wut I did thur?

mega-rofl!!!!11111!!!!

[davidshek]

Just because a characteristic is similar doesn't mean anything. A centipede is similar to me because it breathes air just like me. That doesn't make it anything close to the same.

Do you smoke David?

Dude...do you have any idea what you're talking about? "similar addiction characteristics" is a very common used term in psycho-pharmacology. It means they are very much the same in how they react with the brain.

And I don't smoke. Now. I quit November 22, 2006 after smoking for ~12 years.


Does it have nicotine at all?
And since its smokeless, what the hell are they smoking?

Some of them do. They have a nicotine solution that is warmed by a heating element, atomizing it into a vapor. The vapor is what is inhaled, but nothing is actually burned, so there is no smoke.


So, I guess I can say, to all you smokers, you have no idea how easy it is to not smoke. It's really easy, you just don't light cigarettes and put them in your mouth.

That's what this whole thread has been about man...it's NOT that easy. Nicotine is a very strong addiction. That plus the habitual aspect of smoking and the oral fixation makes it incredibly difficult to quit. If it were as easy as just not doing it, don't you think more people would quit, and products like these wouldn't exist?

That's like telling a heroin addict, "Hey man, it's easy, just don't shoot up!". The real world just doesn't work that way.

[Jixzer]

I won't comment on the ridiculousness of some of these posts. I'll simply restate that unless you've experienced addiction first hand, you're opinion means little to those of us who have.

I'm a 20+ year smoker. Started when I was 13. Why? I was 13, I knew it all, I was immortal, and my parents were always pissed at me for what I believed were stupid reasons. So, I figured if they were gonna be pissed anyway, I might as well do something that at least I would understand them being pissed about.

Was it stupid? Absolutely.

My issue with the addiction runs a little different than most. I think the physical addiction I could get over quite easily, but that's not my problem. My problem is I truly enjoy it. I love the smell, the flavor, and the feeling I get lighting one up after a good meal, with a beer, or after sex. I can't bring myself to quit because the thought of never doing again scares the hell out of me.

The other part is this. I took a smoking cessation class quite a few years ago. I was at two weeks without a smoke. At one of our support meetings, they brought in a doctor who had quit nearly 20 years ago. He said the stupidest thing you could possibly say to a group of about 10 people who hadn't had a cigarette in two weeks. He said, "Even today, when I smell the smoke, I want one."

The fact that he followed up with, "But it's gotten easier to curb the cravings over time." meant nothing. He basically told a bunch of people that the way they feel now is how they are going to feel the rest of their lives. It disheartened me enough to leave the hospital and buy a carton and off to puffs-ville I was again.

Trust me, this addiction is no joke, be it chemical, physical, or psychological. I really know I need to quit, but the addiction is strong, and unlike the uninformed in this thread, VERY REAL. I'm one of the strongest willed people I know, ask my wife. I've served 18 years in the Army and had to endure **** most of you wouldn't wish on your worst enemy and made it out fine, and am currently doing fine...but quitting eludes me every time.

The point I'm laboriously trying to get to is whatever you need to help you quit, regardless of how ridiculous it makes you look is worth a shot. When I quit for that class, I kept a McDonald's straw that was cut in half in my pocket and puffed on that. Looked stupid as hell, but it did help for the time I wasn't smoking.

[davidshek]

At one of our support meetings, they brought in a doctor who had quit nearly 20 years ago. He said the stupidest thing you could possibly say to a group of about 10 people who hadn't had a cigarette in two weeks. He said, "Even today, when I smell the smoke, I want one."

The fact that he followed up with, "But it's gotten easier to curb the cravings over time." meant nothing. He basically told a bunch of people that the way they feel now is how they are going to feel the rest of their lives.

Wow...while he's somewhat right, he really should have tempered that comment with a little reality. While the cravings never truly 100% go away, they do lessen significantly. When I smell a cigarette now, I don't want to smoke one...I want to gag.

It's the trigger times you mentioned (after a meal, while drinking, post coitus) that are the most difficult for me. But even while they are the "most difficult", that's all relative. Meaning maybe a 2 on a scale of 1-10, whereas "most difficult" would have been a 9 during the first few weeks after quitting. It's a sensation that passes in maybe 3-5 seconds, basically just long enough for me to think to myself, "What? Screw that. Never again." Nothing like the cravings you have in the first few weeks.

[Mex]

My dad smoked for about 20 years, up to almost 3 packs a day. He quit cold turkey about 22 years ago, has not had one single puff since. BUT, he told me recently that occasionally he still wants one. Not enough to actually do it but he'll get that craving.

It's insanely hard to stop. I commend those (like Shek and Daes for example) that have been able to do it.