Eruption on GH Van Halen overcharted considerably

[falconditka]

How do I know this?

I play real guitar and I have a program called Guitar Pro that can give offical tabs. Eruption offically has 768 notes. In Guitar Hero Van Halen, it has over 820 notes. These 50+ notes are actually spread over the long triplets section in the song. The extra notes are not what makes it so much harder than it should be. What makes it harder than it should be is that you must cover 50 more notes in the same period of time, thus making what should be 1/8 notes according to Guitar Pro, actually faster than they really are.

I can't blame Activision for doing this. They are trying their best to get a song that no one can FC.

[ThunderCurls]

They are trying their best to get a song that no one can FC.

You obviously haven't seen the charts of Laser Cannon Death Sentence.

[falconditka]

You obviously haven't seen the charts of Laser Cannon Death Sentence.

Eruption is so much harder than that song, it is pathetic. BTW, the solo for that song.... that is what 16th notes look like. See how much slower that is compared to Eruptions chart? That is what 50 plus notes can do to a solo.

[MisterMixelpix]

I can't blame Activision for doing this. They are trying their best to get a song that no one can FC.

Unfortunately for them, Danny Johnson FC'd it back in October.

[falconditka]

I still don't know how he got the game that soon. I filled out my thing the day I got GH5 and I still didn't get it until December.

[MisterMixelpix]

I don't think he was exactly placed in the queue like everyone else.

[falconditka]

Discrimination!

lol

[ThunderCurls]

Eruption is so much harder than that song, it is pathetic. BTW, the solo for that song.... that is what 16th notes look like. See how much slower that is compared to Eruptions chart? That is what 50 plus notes can do to a solo.

I'm talking about drums.

You said that they only wanted to make a song that would be hard to FC, but whilst LCDS would have been that song on drums they undercharted the crap out of it...even on expert+ making the feature pointless.

[falconditka]

If it made the game, Silver**** by Smashing Pumpkins would be the hardest drum song of alltime. But it will never be in the game because they always pick their easy but popular songs.

[GeneralGilliam]

NEWSFLASH: Guitar Hero and Rock Band are video games! The instruments you are playing are plastic!

Anywho, most of the people who play these games don't play a real instrument, and therefore don't know the real tabs and way to play this song, therefore it looks correct to them. I honestly don't care whether a song is overcharted or not, as long as it's fun to play.

[Abeotroid]

You expect accuracy on guitar when the peripheral only has five frets and one "string"?

[esquehill]

You expect accuracy on guitar when the peripheral only has five frets and one "string"?

Ok, I know nothing about music theory, but my naive assumption is that the number of notes charted in the game should be pretty close to the number of notes you'd play on the real instrument (at least when playing the game on expert...) Why (or when) would this not be true?

[Abeotroid]

Ok, I know nothing about music theory, but my naive assumption is that the number of notes charted in the game should be pretty close to the number of notes you'd play on the real instrument (at least when playing the game on expert...) Why (or when) would this not be true?
Well, hey, it's Neversoft. They aren't known to be amazing at accuracy. Look at Guitar Hero Metallica.

[ThunderCurls]

Well, hey, it's Neversoft. They aren't known to be amazing at accuracy. Look at Guitar Hero Metallica.

Actually GH:M is widely regarded as the best charted GH game...

[MisterMixelpix]

If it made the game, Silver**** by Smashing Pumpkins would be the hardest drum song of alltime. But it will never be in the game because they always pick their easy but popular songs.

What? Why? There is nothing about this song that's harder than the more extreme metal songs.

And holy lord is the official Laser Cannon Deth Sentence undercharted. They did X+ with half of the kicks.

[Mega-Tallica]

I always felt that in every fast solo in Guitar Hero/Rock Band have been overcharted. I guess some things they just can't simulate in the game, so they make up for it by adding more notes. Doesn't make any sense, but whatever, the game is fun and that's all that matters.

If I'm worried about hitting a song note for note, I just pick up the real thing :p

[16BitAlex]

There is the possibility that the Guitar Pro tab is under-tabbed.

Use practice mode on "slowest" and see/hear if the notes heard line up to the note gems played, then come back if they don't match.

[GeneralGilliam]

okay, listen. On a real guitar there is about 21 frets and 6 strings, on GH/RB there is 5 frets and 1 string, so yea they have to overchart to compensate for that.

[bradylicious9]

so yea they have to overchart to compensate for that.

that would make no sense. if i'm playing a song and i play a note, but there's no sound to coordinate with that it's gonna feel odd. i get where you're coming from with the whole string/fret concept, but i wanna play notes where there are notes. not where they just wanna add some in

[toymachineSH]

1) Neversoft didn't chart Van Halen
2) BucketBlue FCd it first
3) Take a look at some custom charts for Eruption.

[MisterMixelpix]

okay, listen. On a real guitar there is about 21 frets and 6 strings, on GH/RB there is 5 frets and 1 string, so yea they have to overchart to compensate for that.

Um. No, that's not really it at all. And MOST of the time they chart for accuracy. They don't aim to add notes just for difficulty's sake. They might put in a bass line, rhythm guitar, or keyboard part, but not just nothing.

[back_blows]

You know that Guitar Pro is only as good as the tablature that you download, right?

[Mega-Tallica]

You know that Guitar Pro is only as good as the tablature that you download, right?

Generally speaking here, but Guitar Pro tablatures are usually the most accurate tabs on the internet and since you have to pay for the software, most good guitar tablature writers use it so you can rely on them to make the most accurate tab possible.

But, of course, as with all tab types there will be inaccurate ones, but I'm sure with a song as popular as "Eruption" there's more than just one that's nearly perfect or very close to being so.

[HeavyMetalKing]

Overcharting isn't anything new, especially from Guitar Hero.

Off topic: I personally prefer powertabs to Guitar Pro.

[Mega-Tallica]

Off topic: I personally prefer powertabs to Guitar Pro.


They're both pretty much the same thing except Guitar Pro you have to pay for. I just use TuxGuitar which opens both Powertab files and Guitar Pro files for free.

[HeavyMetalKing]

They're both pretty much the same thing except Guitar Pro you have to pay for. I just use TuxGuitar which opens both Powertab files and Guitar Pro files for free.

I think for me it's more that Powertabs are arranged on one page (unless you want bass, of course) whereas Guitar Pro requires you to shift between the different guitar parts (or other instruments period). Yes, I know, I'm lazy. Forgive me if I'm not being very clear, btw...I'm a bit out of it.

[Mega-Tallica]

I think for me it's more that Powertabs are arranged on one page (unless you want bass, of course) whereas Guitar Pro requires you to shift between the different guitar parts (or other instruments period). Yes, I know, I'm lazy. Forgive me if I'm not being very clear, btw...I'm a bit out of it.

I know what you mean, on PowerTab you can see all the instruments playing at the same time, whereas Guitar Pro you can only view one at a time unless you want to keep switching instruments throughout the song. And plus, PowerTab you can print out all the instruments on one go, not the case for Guitar Pro.

[falconditka]

What? Why? There is nothing about this song that's harder than the more extreme metal songs.

And holy lord is the official Laser Cannon Deth Sentence undercharted. They did X+ with half of the kicks.

It is one of the most uncomfortable drum beats if you play drums. Plus it is fast as sh/t. And then you wait 5 minutes during the "rant" in the song and then it is fast as sh/t again out of nowhere.

It doesn't matter. It will never be in the game due to the title and the lyrics.

[falconditka]

The best part about Guitar Pro is the build in metronome. It is also great for song writing.

[svartikins]

How do I know this?

I play real guitar and I have a program called Guitar Pro that can give offical tabs. Eruption offically has 768 notes. In Guitar Hero Van Halen, it has over 820 notes. These 50+ notes are actually spread over the long triplets section in the song. The extra notes are not what makes it so much harder than it should be. What makes it harder than it should be is that you must cover 50 more notes in the same period of time, thus making what should be 1/8 notes according to Guitar Pro, actually faster than they really are.

I can't blame Activision for doing this. They are trying their best to get a song that no one can FC.

Except granted, Guitar Pro isn't ALWAYS accurate. I use it too.

However, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a bit of overcharting in there.

[gmarsh]

Guitar Hero? Over charted? I find this most shocking.

[killer_roach]

If it made the game, Silver**** by Smashing Pumpkins would be the hardest drum song of alltime. But it will never be in the game because they always pick their easy but popular songs.

Not even. Abydos' song "The Inhabitants Of His Diary" would blow it away, and it's only a minute and a half long. (Not that it's the hardest drum song out there by any stretch, but it's still no cakewalk, especially due to rapid-fire syncopated kicks.)