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CrimsonEdge
12-27-2007, 12:38 PM
Let me start off with some suggestions and things I'd like to see in the next Rock Band or patched in. Also note that I'm a musician.

1. Ability to bend the note up. Bending the note down just sounds bad, both in real life and in game... that is, unless it's a wammy dive. Giving us the ability to bend the note up as well as down allows for more realistic vibrato and a different style of play. I can think of tons of ways to implement this... a button, a setting, turning the wammy bar backwards and using it, having it also go up... etc. The only reason to use the wammy, at least right now, is to milk out long notes for some extra overdrive. Perhaps making it sound better would suffice.

2. Less bouncy 'string'. Playing with a pick, or even with your thumb, creates a bit too much bounce and generally ends up in lots of 'extra' notes. This is especially troublesome in the song Electric Version. More on that later.

3. Solo buttons that are easier to access. I love playing with the solo buttons, however, they are simply too far down the next to get to. Most songs don't allow you to re-position yourself for the solo.

4. Don't ever put a song like Electric Version into the game. Ever. Again. If you do, at least attempt to make it so it isn't harder to play in game than in real life. Consider this for a moment.

A. I sat down to play some extreme guitar on RB. I've mainly been doing the drums and singing/playing on medium and this was the first time I was able to sit down with the guitar just to play it. I go into the solo tour and zip through every single song, getting 3-4 stars and about 90-99% accuracy on all of them.

Then came along Electric Version. Not only am I repulsed by every aspect of the song (thin sounding voice and guitar) but the chart was absolutely harder than the song is in real life. I played through it a couple times and kept on getting knocked out at the same part. The chorus.

Anyway, the point is that you should never make a chart for a song in a game harder to play than it is in real life. If I wanted unwanted difficulty I'd play GH3.

And yes, I sat down and learned the bloody song in about 10 minutes on guitar. A real guitar. As in, you know, real.

5. Easy drums are terribly disorienting. I found it much easier to play on medium than on easy. Hearing a drum noise play in the song when you aren't hitting something makes you want to hit a note. I found myself concentrating completely on the chart and not the song the entire time I played easy.

6. Make the vocals much more accurate to how the song is. You don't have to sing any of the words, even on the rap songs (simply speaking like-sounding things works just fine... or even going Bap-badabap-bada-bop-do-da-beep works on songs like Epic on extreme).

7. Sell bundles with all four instruments in it.

8. Sell bundles with single instruments in it.

9. Online BWT.

10. Single Player BWT. Allow the player to create his own band (all four members) and choose which he wants to play as for the song. In order to fully complete the game the player must play all four instruments to every song with 5 stars on extreme. That is, to fully complete it. Let me restate this another time. To fully complete it. Much like now, you fully completing the game for the solo tours has you having the complete all of the songs with five stars on every instrument but the bass. Add the bass in and let the user customize his own band.

11. Pick songs that everyone will know. I'm still left wondering who the New Pornographers are and why I can't find the song Electric Version on youtube... aside from the ones with Rock Band.

12. Pick bands that everyone will know. I'm still left wondering who the New Pornographers are and why I can't find the song Electric Version on youtube... aside from the ones with Rock Band.

13. Get both male and female singers. Since the vocals are on a seperate track, you should easily be able to cut it out and replace it with a singer of the opposite sex. The person that sings the song would be dependent on the sex of the singer. The default would be used on things like quick play, or, multiplayer without a singer.

14. Judas Priest. Sublime. Clapton. Pink Floyd. Pearl Jam. Steppenwolf. DLC please?

15. Keep it up.

Edit: Excuse any misspellings or wrong words. Tiredness.

Edit edit: Why can't I copy and paste text from my post?

HMXChrisCanfield
12-27-2007, 01:36 PM
Good list! I won't respond to all of it, simply because a lot of it is good stuff.

I did want to respond to one thing, though. 11 & 12 "Pick songs and bands that everyone will know." Maybe we / I'm a snob, but I really want to expand people's musical experience and get them into sounds they may not have known about before. That's one of the reasons we decided to showcase Highway Star: it's an awesome song that has faded a bit out of public consciousness, and it deserved to be brought back.

I've had to explain to people who Nirvana is. Good luck finding a kid who knows who Bowie is. Or The Who. I've explained to people in their 40's about who the Ramones were and why they're awesome. It's not their fault that they don't know, and it's great to see their eyes opening. Education is definitely part of what makes this job worthwhile. We're getting six year olds humming Black Sabbath songs. And 60 year olds singing "Pleasure Pleasure." What could be more awesome?

A game is nothing without music, and the most powerful music is the newly discovered anthem that will stay with you for a lifetime.

AdamWill2
12-27-2007, 02:22 PM
New Pornographers are reasonably well-known in indie circles. They're a well regarded Canadian indie 'supergroup' (as in, most of the members come from other established bands, though it's really rather stretching the 'super' bit).

As Chris says, you have to realize the spectrum of people who play the game. I'm a heck of a lot more familiar with the New Pornographers than I am with, for instance, Faith No More. Just a product of any given person's age and genre tastes.

Chris: I remember reading an article in some music mag a while back about a guy who did pop surveys in record stores (not on the street, in *record stores*) of teenage kids and found only a third of them knew who Nirvana were. Sad...

edit: oh, and my suggestion is still hyperspeed. :D now I got the game, just as I expected, I can mostly play it fine but it takes me two or three plays to get bits I'd sightread easily with a faster scroll speed (e.g. the red / blue bits of Vasoline, couldn't sightread them at all first time through) and I can't read fills worth a damn, just way too compressed.