More BTBAM?

[Sneaky123]

i just noticed that no1 has suggested Between The Buried and Me.. which shocks me... personally, i think they are an amazing band and have plenty of variety to offer up to Rock Band.. given yes it will definatly be difficult on drums if anything due to the double bass, but RB has done a good job taking alot of double bass songs and making them work..

i'd suggest either the whole of Colors Album or a 3 song pack of any of their songs... i would really love to see Ants of The Sky, Mordecai, and/or Sun of Nothing in that song pack.

anyone else agree or am i the only crazy one?

[deevineh8tred]

i just noticed that no1 has suggested Between The Buried and Me.. which shocks me... personally, i think they are an amazing band and have plenty of variety to offer up to Rock Band.. given yes it will definatly be difficult on drums if anything due to the double bass, but RB has done a good job taking alot of double bass songs and making them work..

i'd suggest either the whole of Colors Album or a 3 song pack of any of their songs... i would really love to see Ants of The Sky, Mordecai, and/or Sun of Nothing in that song pack.

anyone else agree or am i the only crazy one?

i love btbam. ill be seeing them next week with bodom. selkies is my fav from them but there isnt a song that i do not like by them

[silentragedy]

i like btbam but theres no way id ever beat a song of theirs on rockband

[getchhellyeah]

btbam would be intense for rock band

[EuphoniusCompound]

Actually, I did already suggest them.

http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1272526#post1272526

[Sneaky123]

well then glad to see not alone

[2wickedwrx]

that would be awesome to see them in the game. I like to think of them as the new Dream Theater. But yeah BTBAM would be great DLC. I would just generally just like to see more Metal

[envylv]

that would be awesome to see them in the game. I like to think of them as the new Dream Theater. But yeah BTBAM would be great DLC. I would just generally just like to see more Metal

Portnoy named "Colors" album of the year.


I would enjoy everything off Silent Circus and Colors, but I wouldn't get too excited for material off their self titled or Alaska.

Also, their songs are LOOOOONNNG...

[ScottSkins]

Mordecai Or Alaska Only as Singles. I Bought Colors Yesterday, I Took It Back. Terrible Album In My Opinion, But I Wouldnt Have Too Much Of A Problem if they Put It On, If Enough People Wanted It I Suppose

[MousFtw]

Alaska please.

[Funkdeacon]

BTBAM is currently my favorite band. Truly amazing music. They would be really fun in Rock Band and deserve atleast a 3-pack, but a 6-pack would be more suiting.

Selkies: The Endless Obsession
Alaska
All Bodies
Ants Of The Sky
Mordecai
The Sun Of Nothing

[bassHero]

yes. But not colors, I'm for Alaska.

[Rev0lver]

How the **** could anybody possibly say Alaska was better than Colors? Both were great albums, but unless you only heard the first 3 songs from Colors, you would have to have downs syndrome to say Alaska was superior in any aspect.

[Funkdeacon]

The lack of attention for BTBAM is disturbing. Here are some videos.

Mordecai - One of their best IMO. Listen to the whole thing in one sitting or you won't appreciate it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STh01Fwb6-M&feature=related

Alaska - Vocals are a tad annoying in this one, but the instruments more then make up for it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8ZMvjCiy_E&feature=related

White Walls (live) - This is starts a couple of minutes into the song. The first part is in related videos if you are interested. The vocalist is a little hard to hear when he sings.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnfC-uJVH6Y&feature=related

Selkies: The Endless Obsession - A like this song. Alot. The solo at the end is breathtaking.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19UZd_DKs2Q

[Gowienczyk]

As much as I enjoy them, they are far overhyped and I don't think I'd personally enjoy playing a song from them on Rock Band.

[pointblank78]

oops, i just started a thread, on them, lol. ive been saying for months they should put them in, seriously

[OneHandedHero]

well, Prequel to the Sequel is in the 20 songs now....

I REALLY WISH FOR THE ENTIRE COLORS ALBUM IN THE FUTURE!! DO IT!!

[Killen4fun]

BTBAM, is great for Guitar, Drums I think are just a little too out there though, and Vocals would be pretty much all Talky for every song. Love the band, but don't think it's quite cut out for Rock Band, Although I would still buy it if it was released. (Prequel is fun I should add, since that song IS already out)

[Tsavo]

Autodidact, please.

[ddranthony92]

Alaska or Selkies would make me change my pants.

[BlackwaterPark]

Mordecai would be just about perfect. Not too long, and there's some great singing sections and solos. I feel like they owe us some real BTBAM after what they did to Prequel.

[Brandun]

I'd love some BTBAM on rb2, Selkies, and the whole Colors album would be awesome. I would prefer them to be free dlc though because I hate paying for them haha.

[Watchmen89]

Would love some more BTBAM (have to play Prequel to Sequel on hard cause of those damn blast beats but still love that song)

[skk8boarder14]

idk y they didnt get more of btbam. i dont know anyone who dfoesnt like colors. even people who hate metalcore like colors. Give us all of Colors!

[ZaCloud]

I haven't had time to sit down n listen to this group yet, but my brother absolutely loves them, so I'm ringing in for his support for the group.

Giev us moar!

[downundermike]

idk y they didnt get more of btbam. i dont know anyone who dfoesnt like colors. even people who hate metalcore like colors. Give us all of Colors!

You dont know anyone who doesnt like colors.

Let me introduce myself then

Hi, my name is Mike.

[beefigursk]

Don't get me wrong I really dig BTBAM but I don't think my drum kit can handle another Prequel to the Sequel, that's how my pedal turned into 6 pieces underneath my foot.

[ElLapiz24]

the solo in selkies is just mind blowing

[BlackwaterPark]

Forget the solo-- how about that intro!

Okay, the solo is great too.

[Pixelzombie]

This band deserves so much more representation than half of Prequel. Cutting that song off just before the great part was a shame.

White Walls, Sun of Nothing and Ants of the Sky. I'd pay double for them because of their length.

The Alaska album is cool too, though.

[Nuff_Said]

maybe just a couple more songs by them so they can get a band challenge. An album would be overkill.

[Klown-]

white walls plz

[BlackwaterPark]

maybe just a couple more songs by them so they can get a band challenge. An album would be overkill.

I kind of agree, actually.

[Brandun]

white walls plz

hellz yeah! i want white walls
full song pl0x

[MaGna720]

BTBAM is an amazingly talented band that definitely deserves more than one song in RB. I'd be fine with anything from their discography.

[DiskoFish]

I want Ants of the Sky, All Bodies, Mordecai, a full version of Prequel to the Sequel, and Viridian.

[Nato163]

i like music

[jayou521]

Ants of the Sky plz.

[ExpertDrummer]

Alaska and Aspirations will do :)

I never got why Harmonix only put half of Prequel To The Sequel. The other have is pretty tight and it's under 10 min.

It's like 8 minutes something seconds right?

[Squaretriangles]

I never got why Harmonix only put half of Prequel To The Sequel. The other have is pretty tight and it's under 10 min.

It's like 8 minutes something seconds right?

I've beeen wondering about this myself. I think it might have something to do with the guest vocalist.

Anywho, more BTBAM please. :D

[Wakalord]

Entire Colors album, please.

Especially the full version of Prequel to the Sequel.


Edit - Would never happen, but wouldn't it be awesome if (since Colors is an epic), they just mashed all the songs together and released all of them as "Colors." An hour+ long song, that'd be epic. lol

[Lameboy19]

Colors Live would be sick

[ElLapiz24]

i just bought the great misdirect, i would personally love it as a full album dlc, but i dont think it will happen. the only two songs on the album that arnt long are soft and dont have enough drums (plenty of singing though compared to other songs). if they did happen to release the whole album, btbam would have the 2 or 3 longest songs on rock band

[Fragory123]

i just bought the great misdirect, i would personally love it as a full album dlc, but i dont think it will happen. the only two songs on the album that arnt long are soft and dont have enough drums (plenty of singing though compared to other songs). if they did happen to release the whole album, btbam would have the 2 or 3 longest songs on rock band

Obfuscation would be the obvious choice. It's not overly long.

[XplaugeX]

I already made a thread about them...it died. Anyway, I would LOVE to see more of them in the game, anything off of Alaska, Colors, or The Great Misdirect would be an instant buy from me. One of my favorite bands...

[-emo-pie-]

yes BTBAM would be epic anything just more of them prequel to the sequel gets so overplayed by me ANYTHING!!

[RideTheLightning]

The great misdirect and colors are both epic albums that either or would make an epic contribution to the game. And although songs may be long people would still play them, I mean i bought and play guitar hero Metallica... and love playing and justice for all... Also Selkies, backwards marathon, All bodies, Mordecai, and a live version of aspirations (no offense but the album versions of their older songs are not as good as when they do it live now since they have progressed so much as a band.) Also for the great misdirect, Mirrors actually has quiet a bit going on within the drums, its just quiet lol, so that would be a good song in my opinion.

[THEBassist]

Colors, Alaska, or anything from those albums would be great. Or the full version of Prequel to the Sequel.

[weeyoo]

Anything by them is an instant purchase for me

[Piscasis]

Anything by them is an instant purchase for me
+1,000,000

I can't describe how badly I'd love to play any Btbam. I know Prequel To The Sequel is already in RB, but lets be honest, they ruined it. When I first played it and was about to get to the cool accordion part and then the song ended, I raged harder than one can imagine. RBN can hopefully be our saving grace.

[Wiiman95]

+1,000,000

I can't describe how badly I'd love to play any Btbam. I know Prequel To The Sequel is already in RB, but lets be honest, they ruined it. When I first played it and was about to get to the cool accordion part and then the song ended, I raged harder than one can imagine. RBN can hopefully be our saving grace.

You are not alone. First time I played it, I was wondering if they were gonna chart the Accordion to the Guitar, then the song ends. I was like WTF?!!:confused::eek:

Welcome to the forums BTW.

[Piscasis]

You are not alone. First time I played it, I was wondering if they were gonna chart the Accordion to the Guitar, then the song ends. I was like WTF?!!:confused::eek:

Welcome to the forums BTW.

Lol yeah and thank you.

[woofmix]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqbwnOAnHnc


If only :(

[Piscasis]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqbwnOAnHnc


If only :(
It makes me sad too, but I just know that we will get them soon eventually, even if its through RBN.

[Mega-Tallica]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqbwnOAnHnc


If only :(

That drum chart is amazing

[weeyoo]

That drum chart is amazing

I second this

[Fragory123]

I second this

Thirded. That was epic.

[weeyoo]

Thirded. That was epic.

Is BTBAM putting songs thru RBN? That would be amazing is so.

[Piscasis]

Is BTBAM putting songs thru RBN? That would be amazing is so.

On the bands emailed thread in RBN forum they are marked as gray which basically means undecided. Yellow means maybe, green means confirmed, and red means a decline. Check the thread for other bands possibly too.

http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157325

[Mister_Derp]

Give me all of Alaska. Especially Backwards Marathon.

[biocookies]

That was AMAZING. BTBAM is one of the few bands that Rock Band introduced to me that I really enjoy. I checked them out and loved the Obfuscation intro riff, saw the video and was amazed. I want so much stuff from The Great Misdirect, Colors_Live, and especially Alaska, or more Colors. I would like stuff from different albums for more of a variety. These guys are going into my sig.

[7yl3ris1337]

BTBAM pack:

Swim To The Moon
Obfusication
Ants Of The Sky
The rest of Prequel To The Sequel :)

I say keep the first half of PTTS as a free song while the full song is at regular price.

[Maxq333]

Selkies, Ants of the Sky and White Walls would be amazing.

[ArcticMeltdown]

The Great Misdirect or Colors

[Sweepy]

is there going to be any more Between The Buried and Me on RBN? I've been enjoying Mordecai alot. I hope someone is making more... Like; Ad a Dglgmut, Selkies, The Man's Land(haha), and/or any other.


Thanks.

[Ajin]

Didn't like Mordecai at all. Everything from "Colors" would translate a lot better to Rock Band in my opinion. The guitar work in that would be a million times more fun to play than any of the older stuff for me.

[Piscasis]

Didn't like Mordecai at all. Everything from "Colors" would translate a lot better to Rock Band in my opinion. The guitar work in that would be a million times more fun to play than any of the older stuff for me.

Of course, but we will never see Colors on RBN because of the song lengths, therefore we settle for their lesser masterpieces. I love Mordecai to be honest, especially the second half, as is the case for most. I would love to see Obfuscation, Selkies, Alaska, Backwards Marathon, Aesthetic, and maybe Informal Gluttony but it may ruin the it to have only one song from Colors rather than the whole album.

[TheUnrivaled]

since colors is pretty much one giant song, couldn't they separate at ten minute intervals and just call it colors pt.1, colors pt.2 and so on?

[tuck420]

I think most of the songs from Colors should be do-able. I don't think song length is such an issue with the recent Project Hate song released clocking in at over ten minutes. I think getting more songs (and maybe a complete version of Prequel to the Sequel) from Colors would be amazing. I would buy them all in a heartbeat.

[Sweepy]

Didn't like Mordecai at all. Everything from "Colors" would translate a lot better to Rock Band in my opinion. The guitar work in that would be a million times more fun to play than any of the older stuff for me.

:eek: Are You kidding Me? Mordecai is amazing. Colors and The Great Misdirect were good albums, but I would rather go with the older stuff. Then again I wouldn't complain if they came out with White Walls, Swim to the Moon or Obfuscation.

[voodoo618]

:eek: Are You kidding Me? Mordecai is amazing. Colors and The Great Misdirect were good albums, but I would rather go with the older stuff. Then again I wouldn't complain if they came out with White Walls, Swim to the Moon or Obfuscation.

No. Just, no.

[Sweepy]

No. Just, no.

Yes, Just, yes. :)

[woofmix]

I'd prefer the newer stuff, however, any BTBAM is great BTBAM, including a butt kicking on drums!

[weeyoo]

I sure hope so as well...any BTBAM is an instant buy for me. I hope we get The Decade of Statues, Alaska, Obfuscation, and lots more.

[woofmix]

Obfuscation would be one of the best RBN tracks if that ever happened! In my opinion. :p

[weeyoo]

Obfuscation would be one of the best RBN tracks if that ever happened! In my opinion. :p

This. Have you seen the custom chart for it? All I can say is holy orgasms!

[woofmix]

This. Have you seen the custom chart for it? All I can say is holy orgasms!

I wish I could find a download on it! I really want to play the drums!! :(

[weeyoo]

I wish I could find a download on it! I really want to play the drums!! :(

Greatest Rock Band chart I have ever seen in my entire Life. EVER. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhVq7MRd1-w)

[JoshVanHalen87]

i really dig the instrumental charts from that group, but i can´t stand the vocals, it just sucks.

[crimsonking58]

I personally can't stand their older stuff, but Colors and The Great Misdirect are pretty good. I'd kill for White Walls, Ants of The Sky, Informal Gluttony, Disease, Injury, Madness, or Fossil Genera, even if they would have to be cut to 10 minutes they would still be fun.

EDIT: Agreed Josh, the vocals and the breakdowns kill this band for me, but on their new stuff I can get over it, while the older stuff is so chock full of them that I can't.

[woofmix]

I think Desert Of Song would be a great choice for Rock Band.

[weeyoo]

I think Desert Of Song would be a great choice for Rock Band.

How about their entire discography! :D

[Backwards Marathon]

^Name. GET IT!

[Sweepy]

How about their entire discography! :D

I agree!!!

[kingtonyx]

I'm sure eventually, but just like I mentioned with the EMI stuff labels will probably try to spread the love around to their various artists

Victory has a large catalog, especially if they're willing to go back into the older stuff

[woofmix]

How about their entire discography! :D

If only! :( Half of The Great Misdirect wouldn't work, and White Walls... I would like Prequel in full... even though I'd have to beat it again. :(

[Maxq333]

I think Selkies would be the most likely as it's one of their most popular (and amazing!) songs under 10 mins.

[woofmix]

I think Selkies would be the most likely as it's one of their most popular (and amazing!) songs under 10 mins.

I'd love this too. I hope for more the BTBAM before May 7th! (I'm seeing them live with Mastodon then!) :D

[theDAHLImama]

^^^^ Nice man! I'm going I think on the 17th. I can't remember the date but its when they come to Raleigh, North Carolina. I just saw them back in February. I wonder what songs they're going to play?!?!?!

Hopefully we will get more BTBAM! Really the only thing we can do is tell everyone Mordecai is awesome and hopefully a lot of people will download it. Ik I did! One question while i'm at it. Whats the reasoning behind not allowing songs to be more than 10 minutes? Plus I heard there is a song on RBN over 10 minutes so maybe this will be changing soon.

[theDAHLImama]

Oh btw I would love to play Mordecai with the whole band so if anyone wants to play send me a friend request on xbl. Gamertag: theS0URC3 that 0 is a zero. Oh sorry but I call drums too! (:

[HelloMaster]

One question while i'm at it. Whats the reasoning behind not allowing songs to be more than 10 minutes? Plus I heard there is a song on RBN over 10 minutes so maybe this will be changing soon.

There's a number of reasons behind the limitation. On the development side, the Audition Mode doesn't function well above 10 minutes, and there are hardware/memory limitations as well. On top of that, even short songs require an incredible amount of man hours to produce, so excessively long songs start to cross the line of putting more into it than what anyone can hope to really get out of it. In other words, it may not be worth the effort.

I'm with you. I would love 10+ minutes songs in on Rock Band Network, but there's a lot of compelling arguments against and not a lot of compelling cases for it. :(

[HelloMaster]

I'd love this too. I hope for more the BTBAM before May 7th! (I'm seeing them live with Mastodon then!) :D

So sad this tour's not coming to my neck of the woods (not even within five hours' drive). My two favorite prog-metal bands in one show would be life-changing.

Did see Mastodon with Dethklok last October, and that was pretty amazing, but if any show was going to outdo that for me, it'd be BtBaM/Mastodon.

[Sweepy]

I saw BTBAM in December of 08'.
Here is my collage (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v322/Policeman2/btbamshow.jpg)

[weeyoo]

I'm thinking of emailing BTBAM and letting them know how awesome Mordecai is, and kindly ask for more from them. Yes or no?

[kingtonyx]

I'm thinking of emailing BTBAM and letting them know how awesome Mordecai is, and kindly ask for more from them. Yes or no?

If you're looking to ask for more songs, you'd be better served asking Victory Records instead

[weeyoo]

If you're looking to ask for more songs, you'd be better served asking Victory Records instead

Alright I'll go with you on this. Any way of finding the email?

[Piscasis]

I'm thinking of emailing BTBAM and letting them know how awesome Mordecai is, and kindly ask for more from them. Yes or no?

Hopefully a rhetorical question. If not....yes.

[kingtonyx]

Alright I'll go with you on this. Any way of finding the email?

probably on their website somewhere

[Piscasis]

Alright I'll go with you on this. Any way of finding the email?

Try to suggest Selkies to them as well since it is under 10 minutes and they're most successful song which means it will generate the most cash.

[TeamAliceFTW]

Try to suggest Selkies to them as well since it is under 10 minutes and they're most successful song which means it will generate the most cash.

I want Selkies so badly. The solo blows my mind. Sooo musical and emotional.

[weeyoo]

Try to suggest Selkies to them as well since it is under 10 minutes and they're most successful song which means it will generate the most cash.

Will do...I was also going to suggest Alaska as well.

Also, I've been looking all around the Victory Records website, and there isn't any sort of contact information...

[kingtonyx]

I do hope for some more BTBAM, but honestly I'd prefer VIctory spread the wealth around a bit first.

Especially if they're willing to go into the back catalog and use some of their alumni. (Old Taking Back Sunday, Atreyu, Thursday, etc). Technically Silverstein is no longer with Victory, so I'm guessing they're okay with it.

They seem to be doing a ton of tracks though, so who knows.

[Piscasis]

Will do...I was also going to suggest Alaska as well.

Also, I've been looking all around the Victory Records website, and there isn't any sort of contact information...

info@victoryrecords.com

[weeyoo]

info@victoryrecords.com

Thanks! I just sent an email, I'll keep you guys posted until I get a response.

[HelloMaster]

I've emailed the band before, but never Victory Records. I'll join you and send one myself.

[woofmix]

So sad this tour's not coming to my neck of the woods (not even within five hours' drive). My two favorite prog-metal bands in one show would be life-changing.

Did see Mastodon with Dethklok last October, and that was pretty amazing, but if any show was going to outdo that for me, it'd be BtBaM/Mastodon.

I did not, I was on the hunt for Muse tickets at that time. :p

[weeyoo]

I've emailed the band before, but never Victory Records. I'll join you and send one myself.

Good deal! Hopefully they'll see how much we want more from them.

[theDAHLImama]

I can't believe no one has mentioned Backwards Marathon! Its one of their better songs under 10 minutes. Even All Bodies or Ad a Dglgmut (:

[Thom1234]

I'm all for more BtBaM, as long as it's charted by different people.

Mordecai has the worst charted drum chart I've EVER seen and I can't believe it was allowed to pass peer review.

[Sweepy]

I emailed Victory Records and I got this back


"Hi Dale,

Thank you for your support. BTBAM is one of my favorite bands as well, and I’m aiming to have Obfuscation on there among several other songs. Please direct requests to the following link to help make this reality!

http://www.rockband.com/request

Thanks again!

Aaron"

[HelloMaster]

I emailed Victory Records and I got this back


"Hi Dale,

Thank you for your support. BTBAM is one of my favorite bands as well, and I’m aiming to have Obfuscation on there among several other songs. Please direct requests to the following link to help make this reality!

http://www.rockband.com/request

Thanks again!

Aaron"

I haven't gotten a response back yet, but I'm glad to hear that "Aaron" has Obfuscation at the top of his list. Like many of you on this forum, I'd take the whole discography if I could, but if I really had to select some favorite children, Obfuscation would be up there. I love the sound of the early stuff, but I think Colors and The Great Misdirect translate better to the game. More manageable drum parts, longer solos, etc.

[Sweepy]

I haven't gotten a response back yet, but I'm glad to hear that "Aaron" has Obfuscation at the top of his list. Like many of you on this forum, I'd take the whole discography if I could, but if I really had to select some favorite children, Obfuscation would be up there. I love the sound of the early stuff, but I think Colors and The Great Misdirect translate better to the game. More manageable drum parts, longer solos, etc.

I think the guitar tones sound waaaaay better in the early stuff. But I love the new stuff too. Obfuscation is such an amazing song, the 2nd solo gives me goose bumps every time.

edit:
Emailed Aaron back with some song suggestions and such and he emailed me with this;

"No problem. I’m definitely trying to work the band @ both RBN and Guitar Hero. Their catalog deserves to be one there…

Keep in touch!"

[Thom1234]

"Hi Dale,

Thank you for your support. BTBAM is one of my favorite bands as well, and I’m aiming to have Obfuscation on there among several other songs. Please direct requests to the following link to help make this reality!


Aaron"
OBFUSCATION FTMFW, AMIRITE?

Also, needs moar Selkies, Backwards Marathon, Informal Gluttony, and edits of Ants of the Sky and Swim to the Moon.

Now, hopefully, someone decent at charting can do those.

[Backwards Marathon]

I do hope for some more BTBAM, but honestly I'd prefer VIctory spread the wealth around a bit first.

Especially if they're willing to go into the back catalog and use some of their alumni. (Old Taking Back Sunday, Atreyu, Thursday, etc). Technically Silverstein is no longer with Victory, so I'm guessing they're okay with it.

They seem to be doing a ton of tracks though, so who knows.
Yes to all of those.

[HelloMaster]

OBFUSCATION FTMFW, AMIRITE?

Also, needs moar Selkies, Backwards Marathon, Informal Gluttony, and edits of Ants of the Sky and Swim to the Moon.

Now, hopefully, someone decent at charting can do those.

I've gone on record to say that I'm exceedingly nervous about edited versions, but they could probably get away with it on something like Ants in the Sky, prolly White Walls and Disease, Injury, Madness, too. But Swim to the Moon is right out. You just can't get that thing down to 10 minutes and keep its soul alive. The gameplay would still be there, but the music would be lost, I think.

[Mithin]

Hope to see more of them in the game for sure. Love Ants in the Sky and Informal Gluttony.

[Evoracer22]

Anything from BTBAM would be amazing, even the songs they covered would be incredible

[theDAHLImama]

Anything from BTBAM would be amazing, even the songs they covered would be incredible

Yea honestly everything they make is awesome! So I really don't care what comes out. Just keep it coming (:

[theDAHLImama]

I emailed Victory Records and I got this back


"Hi Dale,

Thank you for your support. BTBAM is one of my favorite bands as well, and I’m aiming to have Obfuscation on there among several other songs. Please direct requests to the following link to help make this reality!

http://www.rockband.com/request

Thanks again!

Aaron"
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All right I just did that. Sadly I was the first to recommend Disease, Injury, Madness. Everyone should go recommend every BTBAM song they can think of!

[Reygnier]

You guys think it's possible to release Prequel to the Sequel Part two over the RBN? Or maybe release a full version of it or something. I wonder how that will work though. Oh and please... ANTS IN THE SKY!!

[Wertty]

I think everyone here's forgetting the Primer. I'd rather have nothing at all off colors than leave one song out. It deserves the full album treatment. If we could get songs above 12 minutes though, Fossil Genera: A Feed from Cloud Mountain would get my gears goin'.

[weeyoo]

I emailed Victory Records and I got this back


"Hi Dale,

Thank you for your support. BTBAM is one of my favorite bands as well, and I’m aiming to have Obfuscation on there among several other songs. Please direct requests to the following link to help make this reality!

http://www.rockband.com/request

Thanks again!

Aaron"

I got the same exact reply. I'm so stoked to hear that Obfuscation will eventually be released. And to see him say "several other songs" has me crying for joy!

[Thom1234]

I got the same exact reply. I'm so stoked to hear that Obfuscation will eventually be released. And to see him say "several other songs" has me crying for joy!
If the official charts for Obfuscation are anything like Hellashes' custom charts (and they should be, as he charted them incredibly accurately,) Obfuscation could be the most fun drum song in RB, ever.

However, I doubt it, if they're going to be charted by the same group who charted Mordecai.

[Fragory123]

If the official charts for Obfuscation are anything like Hellashes' custom charts (and they should be, as he charted them incredibly accurately,) Obfuscation could be the most fun drum song in RB, ever.

However, I doubt it, if they're going to be charted by the same group who charted Mordecai.

There doesn't seem to be anything wrong with the Mordecai drum chart in my opinion.

[Thom1234]

There doesn't seem to be anything wrong with the Mordecai drum chart in my opinion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk-EhBpfDVY
The intro blasts should have a constant 8th note pattern on the blue pad. (This is truly terrible as it actually adds artificial difficulty to the song.)
The slower section with the chords should have a constant 8th note pattern on the yellow pad (about 1:18 in the video.)

The triplets section from 1:59 should have more bass notes (there's clearly one part where there are 4 32nd notes. NONE of them are charted.)

From the build up onward the hi-hat is undercharted.

And the extended tom fill before the last solo is charted in the most insanely inconvenient way imaginable.

[woofmix]

Anyone follow RBNnews on twitter? The last two tweets were hilarious!

RBNnews
#RBN song: "Walls" / band: All Time Low / genre: alternative / label: Hopeless Records Inc / author: @RhythmAuthors

Then
RBNnews

NO THAT'S NOT WHITE WALLS SHUT UP ABOUT BTBAM ALREADY

[Sweepy]

Anyone follow RBNnews on twitter? The last two tweets were hilarious!

RBNnews
#RBN song: "Walls" / band: All Time Low / genre: alternative / label: Hopeless Records Inc / author: @RhythmAuthors

Then
RBNnews

NO THAT'S NOT WHITE WALLS SHUT UP ABOUT BTBAM ALREADY

lmao. That's pretty funny.

[weeyoo]

If the official charts for Obfuscation are anything like Hellashes' custom charts (and they should be, as he charted them incredibly accurately,) Obfuscation could be the most fun drum song in RB, ever.

I 100000% agree. It would be the best chart in Rock Band. Hands down. Nuff said.

[toymachineSH]

Mordecai is an example of why Peer Review needs to be more "reviewing" and less "playing"

Less OMG APPROVE GET BTBAM OUT NAOWWW

[trg007]

If you think the peer reviewers aren't doing a good job, you are welcome to sign up as a reviewer and do what you feel is a better job reviewing.

[toymachineSH]

I've heard the following and you can correct me if I'm wrong:

It only takes 10 Peer Reviews for a song to get approved.
Reviews have feedback as optional.
---

This is the first batch of songs and already there are 3 noteable charts (Get The Hell Out of Here, Mordecai, Skeletonwitch) which have been barraged with negative commentary regarding the charting decisions.

I just don't want to think that Creators Club is a bunch of people paying a XNA fee to play songs for free and not really caring about quality. Of course there are people that go in and look at all difficulties and review songs and I applaud these people of course but with such a high profile band as BtBaM it's likely that it got approved way too soon due to holy****factor.

[theDAHLImama]

^^^^ Yea I totally agree! Mordecai and Day of Mourning are both great songs but I did notice they seemed a little off especially on hard difficulty. Im no kickass drummer so sometimes when I want to take it easy I play hard. I hope reviewers will do a better job at testing lower difficulties in the future because not everyone wants to play on expert. I would imagine quality can only get better as people get more accustomed to the software and reviewing. Does anyone know if more BTBAM songs are in the works?

[Thom1234]

Mordecai is an example of why Peer Review needs to be more "reviewing" and less "playing"

Less OMG APPROVE GET BTBAM OUT NAOWWW
Also, note that several absolutely terrible charts have been approved from less popular bands as well. So it's not just "OMG BTBAM! APPROVE NAO;" it's actually a general standard of incompetence among Peer Reviewers and Playtesters.

Hell, on the Creators' Site, I've even seen people saying that they only check to make sure that the song doesn't have copyrighted material or objectionable lyrics in Peer Review. I.e, even if a song has a terrible chart (a LOT of songs on RBN,) it will get through Peer Review because the reviewers don't care.

[Sweepy]

If you think the peer reviewers aren't doing a good job, you are welcome to sign up as a reviewer and do what you feel is a better job reviewing.

Where do I sign up?

[kingtonyx]

Also, note that several absolutely terrible charts have been approved from less popular bands as well. So it's not just "OMG BTBAM! APPROVE NAO;" it's actually a general standard of incompetence among Peer Reviewers and Playtesters.

Hell, on the Creators' Site, I've even seen people saying that they only check to make sure that the song doesn't have copyrighted material or objectionable lyrics in Peer Review. I.e, even if a song has a terrible chart (a LOT of songs on RBN,) it will get through Peer Review because the reviewers don't care.

Peer Reviewing is not to look at the charts, at that point it's supposed to be taken care of.

[Thom1234]

Peer Reviewing is not to look at the charts, at that point it's supposed to be taken care of.
In most cases there are still errors in charts entering Peer Review. Major errors as well, like in Mordecai.

[kingtonyx]

In most cases there are still errors in charts entering Peer Review. Major errors as well, like in Mordecai.

That's great, but don't say people in Peer Review don't know what they're doing.

[trg007]

I haven't seen every single chart of every song that's been released, but I wouldn't consider a few people complaining on ScoreHero to mean that a chart is "absolutely terrible". While no chart is perfect (HMX doesn't expect 100% perfect charts to come out of RBN) the vast majority of people who purchase songs from the RBN are happy with the charts.

[Piscasis]

Yes stop complaining about the charts guys. I've seen regular RB DLC with incorrect charting at some parts. Its really not that noticeable when you're playing nor is it really that big of a deal. You are not really playing the song on real instruments so it doesn't matter if it is slightly incorrect, the point is to have fun playing it.

[Thom1234]

Yes stop complaining about the charts guys. I've seen regular RB DLC with incorrect charting at some parts. Its really not that noticeable when you're playing nor is it really that big of a deal. You are not really playing the song on real instruments so it doesn't matter if it is slightly incorrect, the point is to have fun playing it.
Slightly incorrect? Mordecai is unpassable on drums because of the terribly undercharted intro, effectively turning it into a harder version of WaHNtHaC, for no reason at all.

[Markleford]

Hell, on the Creators' Site, I've even seen people saying that they only check to make sure that the song doesn't have copyrighted material or objectionable lyrics in Peer Review. I.e, even if a song has a terrible chart (a LOT of songs on RBN,) it will get through Peer Review because the reviewers don't care.
And who is this *they* who said this? Names? Links?

Given that the majority of reviewers are still authors, I guarantee you that they care, and that they'd seriously take to task anyone who has claimed that they only check for copyright and profanity.

But y'know, thanks for misrepresenting everything to seem ultra-cool. It's totally awesome to give a one-sided story that people can't verify.

I'm not arguing that the chart is right or wrong here, but you're totally butchering how people view your arguments by presenting them in this manner, and certainly not engendering any goodwill amongst people who can actually help fix the problems with the system that you're supposedly concerned about.

(But I suppose that's what teh Intarwebz are for.)

- m

[sao]

Slightly incorrect? Mordecai is unpassable on drums because of the terribly undercharted intro, effectively turning it into a harder version of WaHNtHaC, for no reason at all.

I'm assuming you mean over-charted intro.

And it's unpassable for you is your big complaint.

[HMXMister_Game]

Also, note that several absolutely terrible charts have been approved from less popular bands as well. So it's not just "OMG BTBAM! APPROVE NAO;" it's actually a general standard of incompetence among Peer Reviewers and Playtesters.

Well Thom, why haven't you gotten on board to straighten us out? Sounds like it's time to *** up or shut up.

[bwestplaysdrums]

I'm assuming you mean over-charted intro.
No, he actually does mean under-charted. His complaint is that half of the hi-hats are missing, which makes what seems like should be a normal blast beat (alternating 16ths between hi-hat and snare) more difficult to play.

[Thom1234]

No, he actually does mean under-charted. His complaint is that half of the hi-hats are missing, which makes what seems like should be a normal blast beat (alternating 16ths between hi-hat and snare) more difficult to play.
Exactly. I'm not saying I could pass the song if it was charted accurately, but I'd much prefer to fail a song because it's charted accurate than to fail it because it hasn't been charted very well.

[aperfectorestes]

I think you may be putting a little much on the PR Thom.

I know plenty about guitar/bass/vocals, but I don't know anything about drums. So I could easily play that song and not realize the blast beat was off. Especially with that much going on.

It's not like these people are paid and trained dude.

[HMXMister_Game]

...I'd much prefer to fail a song because it's charted accurate than to fail it because it hasn't been charted very well.

I think mostly you just prefer to complain.

[Wakalord]

I want Colors more than ANY other album in the world on Rock Band.

Harmonix, make it happen!

[siee]

I think mostly you just prefer to complain.

Harmonix win :p

[weeyoo]

^^^^ Yea I totally agree! Mordecai and Day of Mourning are both great songs but I did notice they seemed a little off especially on hard difficulty. Im no kickass drummer so sometimes when I want to take it easy I play hard. I hope reviewers will do a better job at testing lower difficulties in the future because not everyone wants to play on expert. I would imagine quality can only get better as people get more accustomed to the software and reviewing. Does anyone know if more BTBAM songs are in the works?

Yeah were eventually getting Obfuscation. Check the past couple of pages, there's email responses from the manager stating this.

EDIT: Great news guys! I got another email from the manager of Victory Records:






First off thank you for you interest and passion w. our artists and label. Just so you know, we will have 7 songs total ready for the RBN by this time next month.



1. BTBAM “Mordecai”

2. Silverstein “American Dream”

3. A Day To Remember “I’m Made Of Wax…”

4. OTEP “Smash The Control Machine”

5. Audition “The Way You Move”

6. Sister Sin “On Parole”

7. Aiden “Scavengers Of The Damned”



Right now I’m in negotiation to have “Obfuscation” done “I Thought You Met Telly…” – Emmure and a song by Taproot who we just signed and possibly another ADTR song. Feel free to hit me up next month and I can let you know where all of this stands.



Have a great weekend!



Aaron

[cherokeesam]

^ Nice. :)

Added the info from Victory's email to the Prospective Songlist....

http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=184379

[woofmix]

Well Thom, why haven't you gotten on board to straighten us out? Sounds like it's time to *** up or shut up.

I must sig quote this! Best quote I've seen on the forums in a while! :D

[DekarTheDragoon]

I doubt they could do old-school Taproot, but I'll be awaiting the possible Taproot announcement anyways! And more ADTR would be epic. And obviously Obfuscation. I hope their songs do well, sounds like they're really giving RBN shot and I could definitely go for some more stuff from them.

[kingtonyx]

they can do all the ADTR they want, I'd say :D

[weeyoo]

^ Nice. :)

Added the info from Victory's email to the Prospective Songlist....

http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=184379

Awesome! :D What do all the colors indicate? Like green and white.

[cherokeesam]

Awesome! :D What do all the colors indicate? Like green and white.

Green just indicates new (as in, announced/updated within the past week) info.

[weeyoo]

Green just indicates new (as in, announced/updated within the past week) info.

Gotcha. I'll keep you updated on this news when I get more information.

[Sweepy]

Obfuscation might be coming soon. Awesome.

[weeyoo]

Obfuscation might be coming soon. Awesome.

I know I'm stoked! If/when we get it, I really hope the drum chart is just like this custom (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhVq7MRd1-w). It would, without a doubt, be the best drum chart in Rock Band.

[Sweepy]

I know I'm stoked! If/when we get it, I really hope the drum chart is just like this custom (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhVq7MRd1-w). It would, without a doubt, be the best drum chart in Rock Band.

Yeah, but it hasn't been approved yet :mad:

[wolfdarkside]

the minute i saw btbam i shouted YES

[weeyoo]

Yeah, but it hasn't been approved yet :mad:

I can guarantee it will be approved...you'll see

[th3dude13]

man i would LOVE more btbam on rockband. its me and my buddies favorite band and we play prequel and now mordecai all the time now. I would especially love White Walls. Pretty much any btbam will suit me. :D

[Reygnier]

I hope that if more BTBAM is coming, Wavegroup won't be the one authoring them. I'll cry if that happens.

[weeyoo]

I hope that if more BTBAM is coming, Wavegroup won't be the one authoring them. I'll cry if that happens.

Ha, and why is that? Did they chart Mordecai?

[toymachineSH]

no RockGamer authored Mordecai.

Wavegroup has released two charts though that have been complained about ftr.

[Sweepy]

I know this might be abit off topic but check out my BTBAM cover (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQR8BXpUtZo) :D

[weeyoo]

I can't WAIT to see Obfuscation go through! The drum chart looks AMAZING!

[Thom1234]

I can't WAIT to see Obfuscation go through! The drum chart looks AMAZING!
The drum chart you've seen is a custom by Hellashes. The official release will be undercharted, but still fun, hopefully.

[weeyoo]

The drum chart you've seen is a custom by Hellashes. The official release will be undercharted, but still fun, hopefully.

Yeah I know thats a custom. But lets hope a good authoring group charts it...

[woofmix]

Hello. I need help. I'm going to see BTBAM and Mastodon in about a month and a half and I need tips. I'm one of those people who stand around at concerts (and I know, I suck at going to concerts) However, I need tips to be at a metal concert... basically. Help? :p (I'm not in the pit)

Sorry for being off topic as well.

[weeyoo]

Hello. I need help. I'm going to see BTBAM and Mastodon in about a month and a half and I need tips. I'm one of those people who stand around at concerts (and I know, I suck at going to concerts) However, I need tips to be at a metal concert... basically. Help? :p (I'm not in the pit)

Sorry for being off topic as well.

I just go with the flow when I go to concerts, meaning do what others around you are doing. Yeah my first concert I stood around for the first couple shows(it was Warp Tour) then just went along with the band and had fun. I got pushed into a mosh pit my first time and thought I was gonna get knocked out. But BTBAM should be an excellent concert, no need to worry.

[woofmix]

I just go with the flow when I go to concerts, meaning do what others around you are doing. Yeah my first concert I stood around for the first couple shows(it was Warp Tour) then just went along with the band and had fun. I got pushed into a mosh pit my first time and thought I was gonna get knocked out. But BTBAM should be an excellent concert, no need to worry.

They're just the opening act. Mastodon is the headliner. :eek: Crack The Skye is my favorite album of the year. The Great Misdirect is my second favorite of the year. Perfect show for me! :D Thanks for the advice, :D

[Sweepy]

Bump.

Any updates?

[oceanduck]

all bodies; backwards marathon; white walls; disease, injury, madness; alaska

[Bearkin]

White Walls is the only thing that matters.

[weeyoo]

^^ yes, White Walls is an AMAZING song! But why no mentions of Autodidact? That song has one of the greatest breakdowns I've ever heard.

It would be awesome if BTBAM was featured on the RB3 setlist.

[oceanduck]

backwards marathon would be awesome to do vocals on.

[weeyoo]

UPDATE: Well I got an email from Aaron (manager of Victory Records) this morning and he said this:


Hi Ryan.

I've been speaking with multiple authoring companies to get new songs ready for the RBN. Obfuscation is definitely on the top of the list. I'm hoping we will add 10 new songs. Check back next month and I should know more.

Have a great weekend.

So I'll check back in a month and post it here as soon as I get a reply. I'm just stoked that Obfuscation is at the top of his list. :D

[Mister_Derp]

UPDATE: Well I got an email from Aaron (manager of Victory Records) this morning and he said this:



So I'll check back in a month and post it here as soon as I get a reply. I'm just stoked that Obfuscation is at the top of his list. :D
Put in a good word for Backwards Marathon! :D

[Backwards Marathon]

Put in a good word for Backwards Marathon! :D

Thanks but really I did nothing. :p

[Maxq333]

Hopefully we'll get Selkies. :D

[Thom1234]

So I'll check back in a month and post it here as soon as I get a reply. I'm just stoked that Obfuscation is at the top of his list. :D
10 BTBAM songs?

*Faints*

Hopefully we get Selkies and Backwards Marathon.

[woofmix]

I think it just meant 10 new songs from Victory records all together. Feel free to prove me wrong though. Please? :D

[weeyoo]

Put in a good word for Backwards Marathon! :D

How about the entire discography? :D Though that wouldn't happen because of the 10 minute rule :( But when I email him again I definately will ask him about moresongs, including Backwards Marathon!


10 BTBAM songs?

*Faints*

Hopefully we get Selkies and Backwards Marathon.

Unfortunately, I think he meant 10 other songs fromVictory Records artists :(


I think it just meant 10 new songs from Victory records all together. Feel free to prove me wrong though. Please? :D

I wish I could prove you wrong! :D

[wursty]

Unfortunately, I think he meant 10 other songs from Victory Records artists :(

Please include some Thursday :D


Oh and they better have Man Land if their going to do more BTBAM songs.

[sao]

Anything from Victory will be fun. Tons of catchy bands and an incredible catelog of former artists etc.

[Exayle]

Agreed with the above comment.
Rock Band is most definitely overdue for some Thursday, as well. I have a feeling they won't be on this rumored List of 10 that Victory Records is coming up with... but in due time, I'd absolutely love to see them added to the RBN. Anything by them at all, though I'm a huge Full Collapse and War All the Time fanboy.

On topic: cannot wait for Obfuscation, supposedly. It would be the first RBN track I'd pay $03 for, as well, though I imagine it'll likely be priced regularly. 09+ minutes of a killer tune for a buck or two is a total steal.

[weeyoo]

Agreed with the above comment.
Rock Band is most definitely overdue for some Thursday, as well. I have a feeling they won't be on this rumored List of 10 that Victory Records is coming up with... but in due time, I'd absolutely love to see them added to the RBN. Anything by them at all, though I'm a huge Full Collapse and War All the Time fanboy.

On topic: cannot wait for Obfuscation, supposedly. It would be the first RBN track I'd pay $03 for, as well, though I imagine it'll likely be priced regularly. 09+ minutes of a killer tune for a buck or two is a total steal.

Here is the list of songs he said will eventually be available, two are already available:


1. BTBAM “Mordecai”

2. Silverstein “American Dream”

3. A Day To Remember “I’m Made Of Wax…”

4. OTEP “Smash The Control Machine”

5. Audition “The Way You Move”

6. Sister Sin “On Parole”

7. Aiden “Scavengers Of The Damned”

And this was included with that list in the email:

Right now I’m in negotiation to have “Obfuscation” done “I Thought You Met Telly…” – Emmure and a song by Taproot who we just signed and possibly another ADTR song. Feel free to hit me up next month and I can let you know where all of this stands.

[Exayle]

Not trying to sound like an ass, but I did indeed read that e-mail of yours. As far as I can tell, Obfuscation isn't set in stone [yet]. I understand that it is at the top of their list -- or so they say -- and I also understand that they're "negotiating" its appearance in the RBN. But until they flat out come out and announce that it is in the works, or rather, until it actually appears in the Rock Band Network, anything can technically happen.

Don't get me wrong: I want to see Obfuscation in Rock Band just as much as you do, if not more. But I'm also avoiding getting my hopes too high, you know? In case, by some sort of freak-chance, they decide they can't properly chart it / release it online / whatever.

[weeyoo]

Not trying to sound like an ass, but I did indeed read that e-mail of yours. As far as I can tell, Obfuscation isn't set in stone [yet]. I understand that it is at the top of their list -- or so they say -- and I also understand that they're "negotiating" its appearance in the RBN. But until they flat out come out and announce that it is in the works, or rather, until it actually appears in the Rock Band Network, anything can technically happen.

Don't get me wrong: I want to see Obfuscation in Rock Band just as much as you do, if not more. But I'm also avoiding getting my hopes too high, you know? In case, by some sort of freak-chance, they decide they can't properly chart it / release it online / whatever.

No worries, I know exactly where your coming from. I'm just taking the news for where it currently stands. I'm not getting my hopes entirely high either until I get some confrimation that it will infact get released.

It's just the fact that there is atleast some sort of talks of getting it on RBN, and that they are doing what they can to get it released is why I'm taking it as amazing news, if you know what I mean.

[greenzoid2]

we already have 2 btbam songs on rock band 2

[TheyAreNext]

Oh goody, 2. Because 2 is such a huge number. Never mind the fact Mordecai wasn't even standard DLC, it was RBN, so without RBN we would have 1.

Personally I would love to see some more BTBAM. Don't know much by them yet, but what I have heard by them I absolutely love.

[Exayle]

Yeah, for sure. It's at the top of my list of rumored / speculated DLC, so far. No question about that. Whether it happens or not, the idea of it is still fun to look forward to. (I find that I've been frequently revisiting it in iTunes, trying to picture the chart for each instrument. As a RB guitarist, it sounds nothing short of a wet dream). I have a good feeling it will indeed see the light of day... but - like we've said - nothing's official.

But --

That being said, I look forward to your future post(s) with Victory Records updates. As soon as I see you quote an e-mail that confirms Obfuscation, for-sure, my day will be made. Possibly week, even.

[weeyoo]

Yeah, for sure. It's at the top of my list of rumored / speculated DLC, so far. No question about that. Whether it happens or not, the idea of it is still fun to look forward to. (I find that I've been frequently revisiting it in iTunes, trying to picture the chart for each instrument. As a RB guitarist, it sounds nothing short of a wet dream). I have a good feeling it will indeed see the light of day... but - like we've said - nothing's official.

But --

That being said, I look forward to your future post(s) with Victory Records updates. As soon as I see you quote an e-mail that confirms Obfuscation, for-sure, my day will be made. Possibly week, even.

I listen to Obfuscation every day in my car, picturing how the charts will look :p Have you seen the CUSTOM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqbwnOAnHnc) for it? I makes me literally jizz every time I watch it.

And don't worry, the second I get any sort of updates I will immediately post it here. :D

[Exayle]

Dammit, Weeyoo. I can't be the only one who holds their breath every time they see your name under the last post for this thread. Only to let out a sigh of disappointment at the lack of the news. You shut your face until you've got an official announcement.
(Kidding, obviously.)

I haven't seen the custom for it, no. I'd check it out... but I'm afraid I can't locate a pair of old jeans, at the moment.

[weeyoo]

Well I emailed the manager today on any sort of updates since its been almost a month, and here are some of the responses I receieved:




Good to hear from you. We’re currently weighing our options, as you now RB3 was just announced so we’re obviously trying to land a track or two on there. Preferably BTBAM and ADTR. Regardless of that, we have 3-4 more songs that need to be “approved” and then we are focusing on the next batch of songs to be authored. Both bands again are on the top of the priority list whatever direction we go, so we’ll see some more stellar music on there sometime this summer.


Thank you again for all your support.

Then I went on and asked - "Could this mean that we could possibly see Obfuscation on RB3? Or will we see it through RBN?" and he said:


That song is a number one priority. I promise. Something else to look forward to, is the band will be performing on Fuel Tv's Daily Habit next month!

I would literally be the happiest man on earth if Obfuscation was on RB3. Its the most perfect song for it.

[bounchfx]

uh, yes, Selkies please!

and Colors should be a mainline RB release.. :)

[weeyoo]

uh, yes, Selkies please!

and Colors should be a mainline RB release.. :)

I'm just glad the manager knows about RB3, and is trying to get them on there.

[Thom1234]

I'm just glad the manager knows about RB3, and is trying to get them on there.
Hopefully we don't get a butchered edit like we did with PttS.

Also, Selkies would make a perfect full band final tier song in RB3 (i.e. the Painkiller/RttH of the game.)

[Wertty]

Hopefully we don't get a butchered edit like we did with PttS.

Also, Selkies would make a perfect full band final tier song in RB3 (i.e. the Painkiller/RttH of the game.)

I'm right there with this guy, Obfuscation just feels more like a DLC song just by listening to it.
Selkies has everything that you need for a final tier song in RB3.

Plus, if they put Obfuscation on RB3, then I'm afraid that hellashes chart won't ever get used, and that chart is perfect, I couldn't picture them doing any better with it. I want to see that chart out.

[weeyoo]

I'm right there with this guy, Obfuscation just feels more like a DLC song just by listening to it.
Selkies has everything that you need for a final tier song in RB3.

Plus, if they put Obfuscation on RB3, then I'm afraid that hellashes chart won't ever get used, and that chart is perfect, I couldn't picture them doing any better with it. I want to see that chart out.

I actually think the opposite of you. Obfuscation, imo, is the perfect ending song for RB3. I don't know it just seems like an epic ending, 9 minutes of fun and awesomeness :)

[Xenigma]

I actually think the opposite of you. Obfuscation, imo, is the perfect ending song for RB3. I don't know it just seems like an epic ending, 9 minutes of fun and awesomeness :)

Nothing would end better than Metropolis. Pt 1. Nothing.

Still, BTABM in RB3 would be totally awesome. Personally prefer Obfuscation, just an awesome song with a killer potential drum chart.

[kingtonyx]

if they're going to have more than one prog metal type song on RB3, I'd be cool with BTBAM being on there.

[Quazifuji]

I actually think the opposite of you. Obfuscation, imo, is the perfect ending song for RB3. I don't know it just seems like an epic ending, 9 minutes of fun and awesomeness :)

I may be forgetting part of the song because I've only heard it a couple times, but does it have any clean vocals? The final song in the last two games has been final tier on everything, not just non-vocals instruments.

That said, Obfuscation would still be a great Visions-equivalent for RB3 (insane on everything but vocals, but not the last full band song). I think it's main advantage is, at least based on videos of the HellAshes custom, the difficulty might be more in the Visions range and less in the PttS or Mordecai range. If we're going to get a BtBaM song on disc, it should be something very difficult but passable (like Visions), not something completely insane (anything that requires being able to pass alternating blasts without overdrive is probably too tough for a disc).

Either way, I'll be happy to see the song show up regardless of where it does. The drums seem like they combine a lot of the most fun parts of the other BtBaM songs without the unpassable-by-mortals parts, and the guitar is great.

[Rommel]

Alaska or some other great song would've been awesome.

[HelloMaster]

I may be forgetting part of the song because I've only heard it a couple times, but does it have any clean vocals? The final song in the last two games has been final tier on everything, not just non-vocals instruments.

You have a point, but I don't think any BTBAM song will be final tier on everything. Something like "Selkies" or "Backwards Marathon" has sung vocals, but nothing to edge into that final tier. Songs that fit the final difficulty tier on every instrument, including vocals, are very rare indeed.

I'm as excited as everyone else about potential BTBAM in RB3, but seriously folks, y'all are thinking too small. "Obfuscation" is a great track, but one of the reasons it's such a magnetic force on the RBN boards is that it fits the time limit.

On RB3, we can skirt the time restraints and go with something like "White Walls", "Ants of the Sky" or even "Swim to the Moon". Now THAT'S an epic ending!

[HelloMaster]

Oh, and Xenigma's right - "Metropolis Pt. 1" would be amazing!

[Xenigma]

I'm as excited as everyone else about potential BTBAM in RB3, but seriously folks, y'all are thinking too small. "Obfuscation" is a great track, but one of the reasons it's such a magnetic force on the RBN boards is that it fits the time limit.

On RB3, we can skirt the time restraints and go with something like "White Walls", "Ants of the Sky" or even "Swim to the Moon". Now THAT'S an epic ending!

Do mind that the time limit exists thanks to memory issues with the 360 that have to be tested in-house by Harmonix. As much as I'd like to play long 15+ minute epics, I respect that it may simply not be possible with the current circumstances (nevermind that I'm likely among a vocal minority here).

Now, I think I'll wander back to the Dream Theater thread and dream of seeing Metropolis Pt. 1 with a deserved full devil-tier rating in RB3...

[weeyoo]

You have a point, but I don't think any BTBAM song will be final tier on everything. Something like "Selkies" or "Backwards Marathon" has sung vocals, but nothing to edge into that final tier. Songs that fit the final difficulty tier on every instrument, including vocals, are very rare indeed.

I'm as excited as everyone else about potential BTBAM in RB3, but seriously folks, y'all are thinking too small. "Obfuscation" is a great track, but one of the reasons it's such a magnetic force on the RBN boards is that it fits the time limit.

On RB3, we can skirt the time restraints and go with something like "White Walls", "Ants of the Sky" or even "Swim to the Moon". Now THAT'S an epic ending!

I'd LOVE to have White Walls as the ending song. Even Ants of the Sky would be amazing.

[BmZ]

I would love to see swim to the moon as the final song in RB3. we would have a new longest song in music games and the song is just amazing anyways.

[macamatic]

On RB3, we can skirt the time restraints and go with something like "White Walls", "Ants of the Sky" or even "Swim to the Moon". Now THAT'S an epic ending!
*fap* *fap* *fap*

For the record, the last song in RB1 was only tier 9 on one instrument, although the tiering for that game, especially band, was admittedly pretty ludicrous.

[weeyoo]

I would love to see swim to the moon as the final song in RB3. we would have a new longest song in music games and the song is just amazing anyways.

That would be insane!

[Swivle]

I vote for White Walls as the ridiculous secret ending song for RB3. Like the TTFAF of RB3, not part of the main setlist because of the insane length and difficulty, but there for whoever wants to try.

[weeyoo]

I vote for White Walls as the ridiculous secret ending song for RB3. Like the TTFAF of RB3, not part of the main setlist because of the insane length and difficulty, but there for whoever wants to try.

I agree with you on this one. I think White Walls would be the best choice for an RB3 ending.

[kingtonyx]

As far as vocals go, I can't see a BTBAM song being the last song in RB3.

Actually as far as progressive metal bands go, I can only think of Protest The Hero off the top of my head that could pull something like that off.

Also I don't think we'll ever see anything longer than GG&HT on-disc. A lot of people don't like to play long songs and it'd be pretty lame to force them to do so.

[HelloMaster]

I agree with you on this one. I think White Walls would be the best choice for an RB3 ending.

They're all great choices, but I'd still rather have Swim to the Moon. It's even more ridiculous in length, adding to overall epic-ness, and I just prefer it over White Walls as a song.

Of course, keeping gameplay in mind, White Walls would probably be more difficult, and therefore more appropriate as a finale (secret or actual).

[Quazifuji]

I'm not sure if a ridiculously long stupidly-challenging BTBAM song makes sense on disc at all, as part of the main setlist or as some sort of "optional bonus song" like TTFaF.

While BTBAM clearly has a very enthusiastic and reasonably large fanbase, and their songs can translate well into Rock Band, overall they're a fairly niche band and most of their music would be far too challenging, especially on drums, to be on disc. Remember, a lot of people hated Visions and thought it ruined the endless setlist as a roadblock. BtBaM is a bit more melodic than Visions, making it maybe a bit more listenable for most people, but a lot of people still would have it and being significantly longer and perhaps a good deal harder than Visions may counter any effect the sound has on helping it get acceptance.

BtBaM is a great band for DLC, because a lot of people really love both the charts and the music. But a lot of people also really hate the charts and the music, which might make it a bit much on disc. If we do get some on disc, I think Selkies might be the best song. It's still a fan favorite and pretty epic, but it's more accessible than a lot of their other stuff (length is less ridiculous, there's more melodic stuff including some clean vocals, and I think it's difficulty, while still quite high, would still be reasonable enough for it to make the disc). It could be sort of like the Panic Attack of RB3 (one of the most challenging songs on everything but vocals, but not the last song because of vocals).

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see their longer songs come, but I think they'd be a better fit for DLC, because most people don't really want songs like that. With Selkies, even people who can't stand the vocals and craziness in the middle should still be able to appreciate the solo.



For the record, the last song in RB1 was only tier 9 on one instrument, although the tiering for that game, especially band, was admittedly pretty ludicrous.

Run to the Hills was ranked as the hardest song in RB1 difficulty wise and was tier 9 on everything, even though Won't Get Fooled Again was the last song in the Endless Set list and other similar things. Either way, the finale to the RB3 tour probably shouldn't be a progressive metal song with all-talky vocals, no matter how awesome or challenging the other three instruments may be.

[weeyoo]

I'm not sure if a ridiculously long stupidly-challenging BTBAM song makes sense on disc at all, as part of the main setlist or as some sort of "optional bonus song" like TTFaF.

While BTBAM clearly has a very enthusiastic and reasonably large fanbase, and their songs can translate well into Rock Band, overall they're a fairly niche band and most of their music would be far too challenging, especially on drums, to be on disc. Remember, a lot of people hated Visions and thought it ruined the endless setlist as a roadblock. BtBaM is a bit more melodic than Visions, making it maybe a bit more listenable for most people, but a lot of people still would have it and being significantly longer and perhaps a good deal harder than Visions may counter any effect the sound has on helping it get acceptance.

BtBaM is a great band for DLC, because a lot of people really love both the charts and the music. But a lot of people also really hate the charts and the music, which might make it a bit much on disc. If we do get some on disc, I think Selkies might be the best song. It's still a fan favorite and pretty epic, but it's more accessible than a lot of their other stuff (length is less ridiculous, there's more melodic stuff including some clean vocals, and I think it's difficulty, while still quite high, would still be reasonable enough for it to make the disc). It could be sort of like the Panic Attack of RB3 (one of the most challenging songs on everything but vocals, but not the last song because of vocals).

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see their longer songs come, but I think they'd be a better fit for DLC, because most people don't really want songs like that. With Selkies, even people who can't stand the vocals and craziness in the middle should still be able to appreciate the solo

Visions is nothing like any BTBAM.

Yeah the charts will be challenging, but who wouldn't want a challenge (especially as an ending song)? It would be extremely fun, thats what makes the song fun to play.

[toymachineSH]

There will never be a song with growling as a final song.

[weeyoo]

There will never be a song with growling as a final song.

*Looks at Visions*

If it was on RB2, why not RB3?

[trg007]

Visions wasn't the "final song". That was Painkiller. :)

[macamatic]

I'm going to go on record saying that Swim to the Moon isn't a song. They decided to jam for 17 minutes and then put it all in one track, and I could never classify it as a true song. It's great music, and it doesn't affect my listening to it, since I rarely listen to BTBAM in any quantity less than an album at any one time, but it doesn't seem to have any arrangement at all (it just sort of meanders around until the ending) and it wouldn't make sense on a Rock Band disc.

White Walls would be AMAZING as an ending song, but it probably wouldn't happen because there's little in the way of vocals.

On the other hand, it would be cool to see them give special support to different combinations of instruments. For instance, guitar, bass, and drums would ignore the vocals in a song, and would change the order significantly and allowing songs like Visions and even Panic Attack to go farther down the list, since they wouldn't be tied down (up?) by their relatively low vocal tiers.

I'm not suggesting they rework the song selection screen to support every combination of instruments, but if a band without a vocalist did the endless setlist, it would be cool if they came up with a new order that didn't factor the vocals in. If they did, White Walls or something similar could easily be the last song.

I would love to see all the complaint threads about Selkies, though. It would be like Visions, only now the second half of the song would be amazing and melodic but a lot of people (especially drummers) wouldn't know because they never made it through the first half. :p

[weeyoo]

^^You have a good point actually.

[7yl3ris1337]

I would love to see all the complaint threads about Selkies, though. It would be like Visions, only now the second half of the song would be amazing and melodic but a lot of people (especially drummers) wouldn't know because they never made it through the first half. :p

Selkies would be like Visions? HOW DARE YOU!

[macamatic]

Selkies would be like Visions? HOW DARE YOU!
You misunderstand. I'm saying the reactions to the song would be similar to the reactions to Visions (not music, just noise, a five-year-old could make it, shouldn't be in the game, etc.).

[7yl3ris1337]

You misunderstand. I'm saying the reactions to the song would be similar to the reactions to Visions (not music, just noise, a five-year-old could make it, shouldn't be in the game, etc.).

I don't recall people complaining about Hammer Smashed Face. That song is (imo) crazier, more evil than Selkies and Visions.

[HelloMaster]

I'm going to go on record saying that Swim to the Moon isn't a song. They decided to jam for 17 minutes and then put it all in one track, and I could never classify it as a true song. It's great music, and it doesn't affect my listening to it, since I rarely listen to BTBAM in any quantity less than an album at any one time, but it doesn't seem to have any arrangement at all (it just sort of meanders around until the ending) and it wouldn't make sense on a Rock Band disc.

That doesn't describe Swim to the Moon at all. It's lengthy, but it's actually one of the more put-together tracks on the album, a more cohesive musical statement than either Disease... or Fossil Genera. Every piece adds to the next, it waxes, wanes, builds, is dynamic, and is absolutely a song.

[HelloMaster]

I don't recall people complaining about Hammer Smashed Face. That song is (imo) crazier, more evil than Selkies and Visions.

Yeah, but Hammer Smashed Face is DLC. I think the point they're getting at is that a FINAL SONG has to have a certain crowd appeal. You expect it to check-off the difficulty boxes, sure, but something with cookie monster vocals stands to leave a lot of players cold. Not something you want to do on the last song.

I'd love BTBAM in RB3, but I think I can agree with what's been said before. They really do seem more of a DLC kind of act. (Besides, all the more likely we'll score a full album! (yeah right)).

[GDVPlayer]

Ad a dglmut and Selkies would be great =D.

[Quazifuji]

On the other hand, it would be cool to see them give special support to different combinations of instruments. For instance, guitar, bass, and drums would ignore the vocals in a song, and would change the order significantly and allowing songs like Visions and even Panic Attack to go farther down the list, since they wouldn't be tied down (up?) by their relatively low vocal tiers.


Panic Attack and Visions are already just above Painkiller in full band difficulty, so this wouldn't actually affect anything in that regard (also, Panic Attack is in the second-to-last tier on vocals, even if it maybe shouldn't be). Depite that, I see what you're saying, but I'm pretty sure 90% of the time this wouldn't make much of a difference except that all the metal songs get bumped down when you don't have a vocalist. It's the kind of feature that doesn't really hurt things, but it complicates them without much benefit.


Visions is nothing like any BTBAM.

Yeah the charts will be challenging, but who wouldn't want a challenge (especially as an ending song)? It would be extremely fun, thats what makes the song fun to play.

I don't mean Visions sounds just like BTBAM. But to most people, both are growly metal songs that they'll never pass on any instrument but vocals. Is there a difference between the two? Yes, they're completely different to most people. Will that difference matter to people who aren't fans of metal and/or incredibly challenging songs? No.

I think accessibility is an important requirement to the final song beyond epicness and challenge. Not everyone loves Judas Priest, but they're still reasonably listenable to a lot of people. BtBaM is a great band, but they are not an accessible one. They appeal to a specific taste that most people don't have.

[weeyoo]

Just imagine playing this chart (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhVq7MRd1-w&playnext_from=TL&videos=_xM8F5jgzX4) on RB3. You just can't go wrong with it. Epic from start to finish. It's a perfect ending song for RB3 imo.

[Daytman]

I would pay good money to play "Fossil Genera" and "Obfuscation". Or "Ants in the Sky".

[Xenigma]

Oh, c'mon guys. BTBAM is not going to have the final song on RB3, plain and simple. They're not famous enough, the vocals aren't hard enough, etc. It's really a pretty pointless argument.

That said, having a song like Selkies or Obfuscation on disc? Very possible, and ultimately, you're really not going to care the exact tier, because it would be awesome!

[Thom1234]

Oh, c'mon guys. BTBAM is not going to have the final song on RB3, plain and simple. They're not famous enough, the vocals aren't hard enough, etc. It's really a pretty pointless argument.
Painkiller wasn't hard enough on vocals to warrant being final tier. Hell, half of the on-disc songs in RB2 weren't hard/easy enough to warrant their tierings.

[HelloMaster]

Oh, c'mon guys. BTBAM is not going to have the final song on RB3, plain and simple. They're not famous enough, the vocals aren't hard enough, etc. It's really a pretty pointless argument.

That said, having a song like Selkies or Obfuscation on disc? Very possible, and ultimately, you're really not going to care the exact tier, because it would be awesome!

Sure, I don't think anyone here really expects them to. We're just doing a little "what if". A little harmless fun, ya know. All it proves to me is how hungry I am for some solid details on RB3. In the meantime, we can all dream about that ultimate setlist.

Hmmm, "ultimate setlist", where have I heard that before?

[7yl3ris1337]

Yeah, but Hammer Smashed Face is DLC. I think the point they're getting at is that a FINAL SONG has to have a certain crowd appeal. You expect it to check-off the difficulty boxes, sure, but something with cookie monster vocals stands to leave a lot of players cold. Not something you want to do on the last song.

I'd love BTBAM in RB3, but I think I can agree with what's been said before. They really do seem more of a DLC kind of act. (Besides, all the more likely we'll score a full album! (yeah right)).

He was talking about Selkies being on DLC or RBN though.

[HelloMaster]

He was talking about Selkies being on DLC or RBN though.

Well, I apologize for my response then. What does it matter what's on DLC or RBN? Those are a la carte, pay-your-way systems. People didn't get up in arms about Hammer Smashed Face because, presumably, the only people that bought it are the people that knew what it was all about it.

Visions is different from Hammer Smashed Face because it's on-disc, and therefore by some accounts, you have to play it, at least once. I thought he or she was saying that if Selkies was on-disc, people would react just as they did to Visions, I guess because they're both aggressive music. (Although, come on, they're WAY different. Selkies starts off with two minutes of low-key riff).

If he or she's not saying that, I don't know what he or she is saying.

[weeyoo]

I would pay good money to play "Fossil Genera" and "Obfuscation". Or "Ants in the Sky".

This.

[macamatic]

That doesn't describe Swim to the Moon at all. It's lengthy, but it's actually one of the more put-together tracks on the album, a more cohesive musical statement than either Disease... or Fossil Genera. Every piece adds to the next, it waxes, wanes, builds, is dynamic, and is absolutely a song.
I think we'll have to agree to disagree. I agree that Fossil Genera is much less cohesive than Swim to the Moon, although I would argue that since Disease, Injury, Madness is organized into movements it's much more of a song than SttM. The key here is that they're not concerning themselves with songwriting. Choruses sound nothing alike, and riffs get used for about ten seconds before they move on. They play what they want to, and yes, it sounds amazing, but it doesn't really fit in with Rock Band. IMO, that's fine for a relatively short song like Mordecai and the edited version of PttS that we already have, but 17 minutes of five guys playing prog metal like it's jazz, not so much. It's not meant to be taken outside of the context of the album, and for good reason.


He was talking about Selkies being on DLC or RBN though.
No, I wasn't. People were discussing the possibility of a BTBAM song being the final song in RB3.


Visions is different from Hammer Smashed Face because it's on-disc, and therefore by some accounts, you have to play it, at least once. I thought he or she was saying that if Selkies was on-disc, people would react just as they did to Visions, I guess because they're both aggressive music.
Basically. However, what I was getting at was the fact that a couple minutes in, Selkies goes nuts (like the rest of the album, really), at which point many players would fail quickly and whine about how it's not music because they can't play it and Tommy isn't singing (keeping in mind that the *****ers wouldn't get to the clean vocals).

[weeyoo]

Oh, c'mon guys. BTBAM is not going to have the final song on RB3, plain and simple. They're not famous enough, the vocals aren't hard enough, etc. It's really a pretty pointless argument.

That said, having a song like Selkies or Obfuscation on disc? Very possible, and ultimately, you're really not going to care the exact tier, because it would be awesome!

Why do you have to be "famous enough" to be the final song on RB3?

[Thom1234]

Why do you have to be "famous enough" to be the final song on RB3?
Exactly. I wouldn't consider Painkiller by Judas Priest a "famous" song, or GGaHT.

[macamatic]

He was talking about Selkies being on DLC or RBN though.


Exactly. I wouldn't consider Painkiller by Judas Priest a "famous" song, or GGaHT.
To be fair, the final song was actually Won't Get Fooled Again, which is famous.

[Xenigma]

To be fair, the final song was actually Won't Get Fooled Again, which is famous.

And I was more meaning that Judas Priest is quite famous, if not Painkiller itself.

I mean, it's the final song, so if they can make it a widely appealing song, I'd imagine they'd try for one. Not the only criteria, certainly, but I imagine it's considered.

[weeyoo]

How about Colors for full album DLC?

[th3dude13]

How about Colors for full album DLC?

That would be awesome! hard as balls but still AWESOME! :D

[blahblahunicornx]

I used to hang out with Dan in Raleigh, and seeing his music up on Rock Band is crazy, so I would love any BTBAM that people make as long as it's not charted by Activision [amirite?] and would love to see Mordecai on my PS3 DLC List. >_>

[weeyoo]

That would be awesome! hard as balls but still AWESOME! :D

Yes it would.

Sometime this week, I'm going to make a thread in the Your Ultimate Setlist forum requesting Colors. The thread is going to be pretty detailed, as I will include actual custom drum charts of the songs on the album, just to show people what the charts may/could look like if released. The charts are accurate too, they look like HMX actually charted them. If only....:)

Expect that thread sometime this week.

[weeyoo]

BTBAM pack 01:

Obfuscation <----(I'd kill for this song)
White Walls
Fossil Genera-A Feed from Cloud Mountain
Alaska
Selkies: An Endless Obsession
Informal Gluttony


Hell, anything by them will keep me happy.

[Metal_Ninja]

ALASKA!! TEAR THIS **** UP!!!

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