Ted Nugent: Classic Rock or Metal?

[Julio_Strikes_Back]

Lots of people put Ted Nugent in the classic rock group, but I really think his sound is metal. Everything about him is metal. He's a badass with awesome riffs and crazy solos, and manages to sing while doing it. Very metal. What do you think?

[emburn]

I'd have to agree with classic. :)

[Cowboyfan9romo]

Ted Nugent very much does have the sound of metal but i'd have to say Uncle Ted is Classic Rock..he's there with Eric Clapton =)

[Red_Sprint_ST]

Classic rock. Much too classic for my taste.;)

[Rockbandfan23467]

Classic Rock isn't a Genre, it's a Radio format.


The Nuge is Metal.

[Julio_Strikes_Back]

Classic Rock = all songs made that fit into a rock subgenre (not a metal one) that was released between the time Sgt Pepper was released and Appetite for Destruction was released.

[Rockbandfan23467]

Classic Rock = all songs made that fit into a rock subgenre (not a metal one) that was released between the time Sgt Pepper was released and Appetite for Destruction was released.
If that is true, then why does my Classic Rock Radio station play Nirvana?

Classic Rock isn't a Grnre, it's a radio format with no clear deffinition.

[BAoxymoron]

If that is true, then why does my Classic Rock Radio station play Nirvana?

Classic Rock isn't a Grnre, it's a radio format with no clear deffinition.

well so is every genre:
many say Linkin park, Korn and others are metal but heavy metalist say they are the end of the metal culture
every genre has a large area of cusion and most are virtually alike take Death metal and thrash metal they have very diffrent followings yet are extremely similar so who has the right to say one genre is less of a genre than another

[Julio_Strikes_Back]

If that is true, then why does my Classic Rock Radio station play Nirvana?

Because it's just a rock station. There's 4 rock stations where I live. 100.7 and 104.1. They play both classic rock and newer rock and pop rock. Then there's 97.5 and 98.5. They just play classic rock.

[Rockbandfan23467]

Because it's just a rock station. There's 4 rock stations where I live. 100.7 and 104.1. They play both classic rock and newer rock and pop rock. Then there's 97.5 and 98.5. They just play classic rock.Well it claims to be a Classic Rock Station. In time, the deffinition of Classic Rock wil change. You have been courpted by radio. Classic Rock is NOT A GENRE!!!!!!

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

I agree.

Its not like classical music, which is actually called that because when it came out, they were trying for the "classic" feeling, the romantic feeling from the classic period: ancient greece. Classic rock is just REAL ROCK! Unlike modern rock, which is just garbage like Nickleback.

[Julio_Strikes_Back]

Well it claims to be a Classic Rock Station. In time, the deffinition of Classic Rock wil change. You have been courpted by radio. Classic Rock is NOT A GENRE!!!!!!

Yes it is. It's a general genre. Every genre changes, and there's always new genres coming along.

[Rockbandfan23467]

Dude, just accept the fact that Classic Rock isn't a genre. Who would call an old-school Punk band CR?

[tbradshaw]

Rockbandfan23467 hit the nail on the head.

From Wikipedia: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_rock)

Classic rock was originally conceived as a radio station programming format which evolved from the album oriented rock (AOR) format in the early-1980s. In the United States, this rock music format now features a large but limited playlist of songs ranging from the mid-1960s through the early-1980s with more emphasis on the earlier hits by artists associated with the loosely-defined "classic rock era".

Sadly, it's not a very well maintained article and doesn't cite it's sources. However, I couldn't find any other sources that disagreed, so I think it's a pretty safe bet. Of course, if you demand more rigorous proof (and good for you), I'll suggest starting at the wiki article and looking for better evidence from there. Personally, I'm satisfied.

[Julio_Strikes_Back]

Dude, just accept the fact that Classic Rock isn't a genre. Who would call an old-school Punk band CR?
Me. It's rock. Punk is a subgenre. And I'm not going to accept it, I don't give a **** what you and your wiki article say. It's MY opinion and I'm entitled to it, and that's that.

Now can we get back on topic please?

[AceFrehley]

Ted Nugent is classic rock all the way!

[Jacobs_Ladder]

Is bad an option?

[tbradshaw]

Punk is a subgenre.

That's definitely true. Punk is a subgenre of Rock. That's why it's full genre titling is "Punk Rock".


And I'm not going to accept it, I don't give a **** what you and your wiki article say. It's MY opinion and I'm entitled to it, and that's that.

Ouch. Sure, you can be willfully ignorant. You can have your "opinion" that the world is flat, the night sky is foil with holes poked in it, but that doesn't make it right... or even defensible.

I'm stunned that you're even upset enough to curse about it. So what, "classic rock" is a radio format and not a genre. Does that really rock your world that badly? Are you offended so much that it's impossible to adopt that new information into your mental rock encyclopedia? I didn't realize until this thread that it was so clear cut either.

You're smarter than that. It's called learning, and you're more than capable of it.

But, getting back on topic... Ted Nugent "feels" like Rock to me,here's my off-the-cuff reasoning. While Ted Nugent (and his various bands, especially when he's singing) do use screaming as we would commonly associate with metal now, and his intense grinding guitar riffs have elements of current metal, I think that he's still Rock.

A common danger, I think, is to attempt to reclassify historical elements using modern criteria. Ted Nugent certainly uses riffs and vocalization that are now associated with Metal... but when he was using those techniques, he certainly wasn't participating in a "metal" subculture. Indeed, most elements of his (and his bands') music are firmly rock, drums, bass lines, and musical structure.

I would assert that Ted Nugent is Rock, but in a slightly genre stretching way that eventually influenced metal with similar elements.

And in closing, genres are a nebulous thing. And like a vaporous cloud, they don't neatly split bands and often bands are offended to be "contained" in a genre definition. If were talking "Classic Rock" the radio format, then definitely. I hear Ted Nugent on local "Classic Rock" stations all the time, but never do I hear Ted Nugent on a "Metal" format radio show. If we're talking actual genres, I still think Ted Nugent is Rock, but probably shaped what would become Metal.

[Julio_Strikes_Back]

I'm stunned that you're even upset enough to curse about it.
You're stunned that people cuss when they're upset? That's even more ignorant than me being ignorant about a rock genre.

[tbradshaw]

"[E]nough" was an important word in the quoted sentence.

[Julio_Strikes_Back]

People cuss if they're upset at all. There's a small space between being fine and being upset enough to cuss. Adults use cussing to express frustration. And it doesn't take much to be frustrated enough.

[tbradshaw]

And it doesn't take much to be frustrated enough.

Then I retract my statement. I guess I was referring to surprise and cursing at strangers in a friendly discourse. When I'm at a venue, making friends, talking with strangers about music, I typically avoid phrases like "I don't give a **** what your proof is."

I guess I'm just of different manners.

[Julio_Strikes_Back]

I'm not a friendly person in the first place.

Plus, I swear because I can. Maybe you should fix teh overridezorz.

[Consolcwby1]

Actually, back when Ted Nugent was scratching his ferverish cat, he was considered to be Hard Rock, not metal. Sadly, 'hard rock' nowadays could be considered to be 'metal' sometimes. Ted's music though is timeless, and therefore should be considered 'classic', yet the Classic Rock definition is like Hard Rock - more of a radio specific format than a genre. Let's end the argument by agreeing that Ted Nugent rocks, therefore he is a 'rocker', and hence place him (appropriately) under rock. So, Ted Nugent's music is Rock Music. There. That was easy. EoD (End of Discussion). =)

[BAoxymoron]

Originally Posted by tbradshaw
I'm stunned that you're even upset enough to curse about it.
I curse when im happy Ever heard some one say F*** Yeah
Besides whats wrong with cursing
why the f*** does it bleep s**** out

[0tj]

Off-topic i think Classic rock is both a format and a genre. Classic - being the sub-genre and Rock being the main genre just like the Punk Rock arguement. On-topic, I think Ted Nugent is Classic Rock based on the fact that he has a classic style and was in the classic rock era (50's to 80's).

[Rockbandfan23467]

The Nuge was one of the first Hard Rockers. Hard Rock is close to metal, so he could be both.

[BIGZFOOT]

If that is true, then why does my Classic Rock Radio station play Nirvana?

Classic Rock isn't a Grnre, it's a radio format with no clear deffinition.

Because Rock 105 turned *** (104.5). Rock 105, I used to listen to, then they started playing Nirvana and Pearl Jam. So now I listen to like 3 other classic rock stations...This is Jacksonville to Daytona Beach area in Florida