Singing Portion Rulling Out Heavy Metal?

[monstrado]

Now that Harmonix is introducing a singing portion to the game are they going to be ruling out songs that have any "growling" ex (Trivium, Arch Enemy...)

It would be a great disappointment, because I do know a few people who could pull those lyrics very nicely :), and it could also help relieve stress lol

[Jsnkr9216]

Hell, I'm all for any Trivium song off The Crusade, I'll sing the hell out of that.

Although, a little disappointed that I won't be able to do the drums for Pull Harder On The Strings Of Your Martyr.

[benjamin]

Why would that rule them out. They need difficult vocals.

Also you spelt ruling wrong.

[espher]

As much as I enjoy listening to the genre, I would have to say I would not care for trying to sing it. ;)

[lithiumkc]

As much as I enjoy listening to the genre, I would have to say I would not care for trying to sing it. ;)

agreed... not that many people are going to be able to pull it off, plus it'll kill your vox. Make it DLC, everyone's happy.

[logicalnoise]

I don't see how their voice system would force you to growl. Sing in very low octave maybe but all it measures is tone and correct pronounciation. BTW TC Rammstein = awesome

[ThePaska]

agreed... not that many people are going to be able to pull it off, plus it'll kill your vox. Make it DLC, everyone's happy.


I agree, the beautiful thing about DLC is that they can reach out to certain genres that some people like, and don't always have to please everyone. So people that don't want to or can't sing like that wont have to.

Also I think you can sing any way you want as long as you sing the right lyrics and pitch, you might not have to growl exactly.

[Huwonk]

agreed... not that many people are going to be able to pull it off, plus it'll kill your vox. Make it DLC, everyone's happy.

Absolutely. My girlfriend is going to be the main singer in my "band" and she won't want to sing any songs that require a scream, probably. DLC gives a choice to the people. I'm just curious how DLC we be incorporated for online play.

[lorddavid]

This is what I was saying in other threads... any songs requiring any sort of growling or screaming really HAVE to be left out of the main game if they have any intention of shifting the copies. Think of the costs involved in this game for the paying punter to begin with... then put yourselves in the shoes of someone who wants to do the singing, but doesn't wish to do the growly stuff, the game wouldn't then interest you as much.

However with them mebbe as bonus tracks, or DLC, then it's all good. However for the main lists it needs vocals you can hear.

As for it needing "tough vocals", yeah, it will... those will be the songs that are faster to play, and as such have quicker lyrics, or have a changing rhythm for the song and such, rather than lyrics which some people can't (and in some cases, outright wont) sing.

[monstrado]

Hell, I'm all for any Trivium song off The Crusade, I'll sing the hell out of that.

Although, a little disappointed that I won't be able to do the drums for Pull Harder On The Strings Of Your Martyr.

umm..hell yah, I was listening to that song earlier today. yeah I couldn't even imagine that **** :).

DLC ftw :D

[Ardius]

umm..hell yah, I was listening to that song earlier today. yeah I couldn't even imagine that **** :).

DLC ftw :D

Nah, if anything, Slayer = Drum pwnage.

[Kutsic]

By everyone's reasoning it seems that you're assuming everyone that sings in the game can do it well? Growling is just another style of singing and can easily just be done by talking. I think it can be pulled off just fine if they include it. Most growled vocals really arent that far removed from James Hetfield from Metallica's singing and if they include ACDC or Guns N Roses, guess what? You're screaming, because that's what they do. So really it depends on how you choose to do the vocals, not what they actually sound like, because if you sing the exact same way you will be for Enter Sandman on any song that includes growling, I guarentee you'll pass the song. It's about notes and words, not sounding like the singer.

[lorddavid]

you really think Korn would sound the same just "singing" the song, instead of growling? 'course not.

Axl Rose you can get away with 'cause he sings more than screams.

And actually, I'm assuming the majority of people who will buy this game CAN'T sing, and therefore don't want to do the screamy shouty stuff anyway...

Like I said, my views are based on the general public... yeah, you personally might mark out for Korn being in the game, but I can pretty much guarentee that the majority of potential buyers wouldn't, because they're not really your mainstream rock, and definitely are more of a niche market.

I'm looking at the fact taht HMX want to make damned sure that tons of people will be willing to buy this game, so when they see the set list of songs, people need to be going "WOW! Look at all these great songs... and I can sing to that, and that, and the drums on that will be fun!"

It's only the minority who will look at it and foam at the mouth at bands like Korn being on it. That's one of the reasons they wont be on it... general Joe Public wouldn't give a toss. But stick Ozzy in, or GNR's, or Metallica, and Joe Public becomes very interested indeed.

And singing wise, it's MUCH easier to sing the stuff like GNR's, Bon Jovi, Metallica, than it is to sing stuff like Korn and what not. Say what you will about how it's "notes and words", but so far none of us have tried playing it, we've got what HMX have said about it... but I very much doubt that people will be "singing" to Korn... can you imagine hearing someone who sounds kinda like, say... Michael Jackson (as a for instance) singing Korn in his normal voice? It wouldn't fit the song, and would sound stupid, people will be wanting to make the song sound good as well. Thus it would require people to growl it out.

[Kutsic]

Korn definitely sings...when I refer to growling I mean as in real growling, not some fat idiot that should have never been given a microphone attempting to sound vicious by gargling every word he sings. And no, I never said it would sound the same, but it would work. And say what you will about Axl singing, his singing is about as harsh as they come, it's very very close to screaming.

And wanting the song to sound like the actual recording is a whole different story. I'm not saying you can make the vocals sound good, I'm saying you can make them so they are the same as if you converted the harsh vocal style into a cleaner one.

As for not playing the game, you're right, but I have played both Singstar and Karaoke Revolution and I can confirm that I can growl every song on those games and hit all the notes just as well as if I sang them, because the game uses notes, not accuracy to the original singers voice. And I will gladly, when my friend and I have some free time together, get him to bring Singstar over and growl and scream every song on that game and film it so prove that it works.

[Maggot_Brain]

So the "growling" songs have lyrics? Who knew?!

[--Breeg--]

And actually, I'm assuming the majority of people who will buy this game CAN'T sing, and therefore don't want to do the screamy shouty stuff anyway...

Yes...they can't SING...which is why some people will probably want to growl it, or even shout it more! I'm in a band in real life and I ain't the greatest singer, but I can growl James Hetfield-style.

Also, no-one's failed to mention full-on screaming, Lamb Of God-style...if they include a song like that in the game would it read it properly?

It better do.

[byob_soad2]

what about angel of death style?
the scream in the beginning is pretty funny!
It'd be even funnier to hear others try it!

[noumenon]

There is usually an inherent problem in singing games trying to pick up screaming. Whenever I've screamed or growled into the mic in the karaoke revolution games the pitch detectore just goes spastic and goes all over the place. I don't think it can 'understand' growls or screams due to the rapid vibrations or something.

This is the main reason why I don't think we'll see much in the way of growling or screaming in the game. Not because people don't wnat it, HMX don't want it or it doesn't make business sense, I just think it's a vocal style the technology can't understand.

By the way I guess I should point out I do harsh vocals in the metalcore sort of way, so manipulating the throat and tongue etc rather than 'real' (painful and loud) screams.

[Xzyliac]

I love "growling". But I'd rather have the option in a freeform section.

[bounchfx]

someone go listen to converge's 'Jane Doe' then tell me that shouldn't be in the game. ;)

everyone losing their voice FTW!

[IOIHUMMERIOI]

agreed... not that many people are going to be able to pull it off, plus it'll kill your vox. Make it DLC, everyone's happy.

Or just don't do the vocals and play all the other instruments. Rely on someone online, that can do it, if you want the whole piece of the pie (er, song). That's what makes RB so unique. It's Karaoke Hero, Drum Hero and Guitar Hero rolled into one. Pick your poison.

I know I wouldn't growl on the vocals, but some of the high notes, or a few Hetfield grunts here and there I'd do. I'll leave the rest to the "pros". :)

[byob_soad2]

I love "growling". But I'd rather have the option in a freeform section.

that's what i was thinking.
my sister has Singstar and there's some freeform parts, like where it's just talking or something