Most Talented Band: Rush vs. The Who vs. Led Zeppelin

[Rockbandfan23467]

Do not post in this thread! We are sick and tired of it!!!!!!

[BearFan51]

Steak vs. Cheesecake vs. Beer

See where I'm going here?;)

3 of the best things in the world, that were never intended to compare to one another.

[carlogz]

IMO

Zepps then Rush then Who

It really depends on the music you listen too...

And I like Rush more than The Who

[xNOSOUP4YOUx]

Zeppelin is the most talented band out of the three.
I like The Who more than Rush, but when it comes to talent (again), Rush beats The Who.

[wlorcb]

It is hard to split talent for playing/singing from talent for writing.
I have seen Rush and The Who live, and have heard/seen Zep live on DVD. In their prime, Geddy and Roger can hit the notes. I was surprised that in his prime(Song Remains the Same) Robert could not hit the notes for Stairway. Now I don't know if this was because it was the end of the tour, or thinking about how to steal the gate money from the hotel safe or what:)

I really like Rush, both recorded and live, but have they ever written a song that compare to Baba O'Riley or Won't Get Fooled Again? No. Does the version of the songs on Who's Next compare to the live versions from The Kid's Are Alright for these two song, when I think Pete and Roger and technically improved talent? No

It's like someone else said: Steak to Cheesecake to Beer.

[BhindBluEyes430]

Yea right the who owns

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Arguably the greatest rock and roll performance ever filmed. Just feel the energy the way everything comes together.

1. I don't even think robert plant could hit the low notes that daultry hits. it must be the tight as pants hes always whering.

2. Pete Townshend puts on way more of a show and no part is ever the same. There are no riffs no repetition he improvised almost everything exept the chords the strum patterns change every timeAs far as composition goes he parcticaly invented AOR And the rock opera with Tommy. Anyone can solo for ten minutes even. townsend can solo he just chooses not too. just look at this

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3. John entwistle blows anyone away i don't see why everyone says John Paul jones is such a great bassist exept for the lemon song ive never realy seen much great bass altough that song was really good.

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or just search Isolated bass on you tube and youll pop up 5 videos on top of him during won't get fooled again

4.again with boham ive never really seen him do anything spectacular exept for moby dick. He dosent have as much personality as Keith moon puts in his playing. he plays it like its a lead instrument always and still kept the beat.

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Overall just the presence of the band and the show they put on. The Who where unmatched for energy and showman ship. they paved the way for modern punk. they wrote The first rock opera. I still see Led Zeppelin as very generic they never seem to change. and Who have they influenced I guess Hard rock and medal. The Who Influenced Jimmy page to start Led Zeppelin. There is no band close too the who. No one can reproduce their sound. I went to see them last year and they still have as much energy as Green day who i saw a few weeks before that. And they are still writing music.

Keith moon pns all

this is from my thread
"No Stairway to Heven" Denied
in response to a much long explantation including like 5 vids of why led zep is better
The who Destroys Rush. rush wouldent be around with out Tommy first off and its too techinical and has no feeling their live performances sound like recordings they are not but they match the recordings note for note. The who are always changing and always improving no version sounds the same.

[King_Nuthin]

The Who Influenced Jimmy page to start Led Zeppelin.
I don't know if I buy that... I've never been a huge LZ fan, but Zep pretty much formed out of the ashes of the Yardbirds and while Page didn't join until '66 the Yardbirds predate The Who by a year or two. Prior to joining the Yardbirds, Page had established himself as England's premiere session guitarist and even sat in on The Who's first single.

[BhindBluEyes430]

The original lineup for led zeppelin was
Jimmy page, keith moon, John entwistle and some singer
at least thats what some guy said on my thread. i do know that Keith moon came up with the name for led zeppelin

[King_Nuthin]

The original lineup for led zeppelin was
Jimmy page, keith moon, John entwistle and some singer
at least thats what some guy said on my thread. i do know that Keith moon came up with the name for led zeppelin
That version of Led Zeppelin never actually existed. Here's my rough understanding of how it all went down.

Soon after Jeff Beck was dumped from the Yardbirds, Jim McCarty and Keith Relf left to go on their own thinking guitar rock was dead and moved into an art/prog direction. The Yardbirds were still under contract to do some Scandinavian tour dates and Jimmy Page convinced McCarty and Relf to allow Page to play these dates under the Yardbirds name with the fellow holdover Chris Dreja. They attempted to recruit Terry Reid to sing who declined and suggested Plant. Plant suggested they pick up Bonham. Then Dreja backed out before the tour so they added John Paul Jones who expressed interest and had previously done session work with Beck and Page. This lineup toured Scandinavia as the Yardbirds or New Yardbirds or The Yardbirds featuring Jimmy Page, and ultimately became Led Zeppelin.

As for the name - there was a studio session involving Page, Beck, Jones, Moon and Entwistle. The story is that Moon and Entwistle were dissatisfied with the current direction of the Who and suggested they form a supergroup, someone said "That would go over like a lead baloon" to which Entwistle quipped that the band should be called Lead Zeppelin. However this supergroup never actually happened and Page just safely filed the name away for future use.

[Leni Pocky]

TBH, they're three different types of music and really can't be compared. Rush is prog rock, The Who are a different flavor and era of prog rock, and Led Zep is heavy blues/early metal. It's like trying to compare a classical guitarist of the top calibur to Buckethead - they're both damn good but they play completely different styles. Sure, you could compare the members to each other, but as bands, comparison is pointless. They all carved the way for their genres and lead to inspire other bands (no Led Zep = no early metal other than Sabbath, no Rush = no Dream Theater, no Who = no punk.

[ragmaster]

Steak vs. Cheesecake vs. Beer

See where I'm going here?;)

3 of the best things in the world, that were never intended to compare to one another.


Right on.

Best band? Favorite Band is more like it.

For my money, the best live act you can see today, and brilliant. Classical music in disguise

MUSE

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[Julio_Strikes_Back]

Maybe the new Rush vs. Who vs. Zeppelin in 30 years will be Muse vs. QOTSA vs. Tool?

[Rockbandfan23467]

Maybe the new Rush vs. Who vs. Zeppelin in 30 years will be Muse vs. QOTSA vs. Tool?Those bands are nowhere near as talented as the three in the topic.

[BhindBluEyes430]

I don't see How Rush is even close to The Who or Led Zeppelin.

I would have to say the best live bands today are Muse (I want to see so bad) and Green day (Sure green days new music sucks exept Jesus of suburbia and St. Jimmy but the put on t great show)( the who still put on an amazing show too)

[Rockbandfan23467]

I don't see How Rush is even close to The Who or Led Zeppelin.
Dude, Peart blows Moon and Bonzo out of the water and all the way to Jupiter.
Entwistle is the best bassist of all three bands.
Jimmy is just better that the other two. He's in the Rock Hall twice!
All three singers are very hard to imatate, but I pick Robet.

[BhindBluEyes430]

Yea but in what way is rush as Influential and Creative as The who or led Zeppelin

Rush seems to have taken alot from both but i havent seen many big rush influenced bands. Nobody beats moon his style is unmatched. he parcticaly invented lead drums in Rock bands. Neil pert is technicaly amazing but i bet he plays the same things live as in studio moon was always changing. Nobody has the Energy like moon

[ghost24]

Maybe the new Rush vs. Who vs. Zeppelin in 30 years will be Muse vs. QOTSA vs. Tool?

What about Radiohead? :_(

Although I like Led Zeppelin and The Who, when it comes to talent, it has to go Rush hands down. I mean Peart is absolutely amazing on drums and Geddy is an amazing bassist. Lifeson is also a great guitarist when compared to the other band.

/me ducks from the incoming fire of Jimmy Page fans

Ok, Jimmy Page maybe better than Lifeson...

I love Bonham on the drums too though Peart is just so technically proficient.

[griffinmills]

I like Rush more than either of those two but I'd never heard of anyone rating them or The Who over Led Zepplin!

I'm impressed by those videos and spirited defense of The Who though. Rush is just got me though as a fan. Led Zepplin seems to be the defacto winner but I like The Who and Rush more personally.

Sorry don't know exactly what I'm trying to say here. I can respect that most people vote Zepplin as the best of these 3 but I personally am just not that into them.

[Julio_Strikes_Back]

Those bands are nowhere near as talented as the three in the topic.
No band will ever be. But they're close.

[Rockbandfan23467]

Yea but in what way is rush as Influential and Creative as The who or led Zeppelin
This topic is about which band is better at playing their insturments.
You say Moon is the best drummer of the three, but how do you feel, when it comes to playing their insturments, about comparing:
Plant, Daltery, and Lee
Paige, Townshed, and Lifeson
Jones, Entwhistle, and Lee?

[cdylan13]

These three bands are all incredible... I can't really rank one in front of another.

[Rockbandfan23467]

Be sure to brush and floss after every meal. Otherwise, evil tooth decay goblins will move into your mouth and play loud polka music day and night.

[tombrady]

Peart >Moon > Bonham for sure.

Don't get me wrong, Bonham was great, but Moon was absolutely an animal on a kit...Peart even said he was the best rock drummer of that era.


But I don't think it's possible to compare rush with either of those bands...completely different music. I guess you could kind of compare the Who and Zeppelin but even that's a stretch.

[BhindBluEyes430]

How about we just put up videos of the bands at their finest and see. because of the vids ive seen of led zeppelin i havent seen much that impressed me

My favorite vid is the Won't get fooled again but I won't use that one again

this is my second favorite
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Song heaven and hell Written by John Entwistle

[ElPatro]

I love Zeppelin, I hate Rush, and I love the Who. Boy, this is a hard one.... *chews on tongue for a minute* The Who. Did Zeppelin ever come out with a freaking MOVIE??

[Onnad]

Disclaimer: For the record, I own the complete library of all three of these bands. (Well, Rush up through "Grace Under Pressure". After that, what's the point, really?) Any ranting that may follow is NOT, in any way, a judgement on you, your taste in music, your pets, or the fact that you secretly read the American Apparel catalog. (We know these things!) It's all meant in good fun, so please take it as such.


That version of Led Zeppelin never actually existed. Here's my rough understanding of how it all went down.

They attempted to recruit Terry Reid to sing who declined and suggested Plant. Plant suggested they pick up Bonham. Then Dreja backed out before the tour so they added John Paul Jones who expressed interest.

I had heard it was Steve Marriott, from The Small Faces, instead of Reid, but otherwise a nice history of the 'Zep.

As to the original question:

Drums: Moon, Bonzo, a monkey with a wrench and a garbage can, Pert.

Why rank Pert fourth out of three? Simple: Pert CAN'T KEEP A BEAT. Listen to a Rush drum line: it's all fills. There's no beat! Sure, it's impressive, but good LORD does it get tiresome after a while. Also, he wrote songs about elves. I think that's enough to disqualify anyone*. :)

Evidence for Bonham being #1: "Fool in the Rain."

Reason Moon IS #1: Side 3 of "Tommy"

Guitar: Page, Townshed, Leifson.

It's hard to choose between Page and Townshed. Page is, hands-down, the best guitar player of the 60s and 70s. Townshed, however, is the best RHYTHM guitar player of the 60s and 70s. (Close tie with Keith Richards, but that's another story.) The fact that Page was on, more or less, every 45 released in England between '64 and '69 pushes him to the top.

Leifson is talented, but he has nothing interesting to say on the guitar. It's a bit like Miracle Whip on Wonder Bread: you know there's something in your mouth, but it doesn't really have enough taste to count as food.

Bass: Jones/Ox/Lee

Sorry, BlueEyes, I gotta give this one to John Paul Jones. It's a close call, but Jones eeks it out with his work on Led Zepplin 3. I'm not convinced that Entwistle could pull off something that folky and bluesy. The less said about Lee's bass playing the better off society is.

Singing: Daultry/Plant/dying yak/Lee

Daultry wins by default, since Plant's recording of "Tall Cool One" in the mid-80s pretty much knocks him off whatever pedestal he was on in the 70s. Plus, Daultry had the longer career.

Ah, what to say about Geddy Lee's singing.....Have you ever had your car make some sort of high-pitched whine because it had something wrong with a belt or something...and then the engine started to smoke, the whine got louder, eventually a metallic 'ping' started coming from the engine, then the ping got louder, and in a matter of seconds the whole thing burst into flames, and as you stand there, watching your beloved car going up into firery oblivion you found yourself thinking just one thought: "Dear LORD this is better than listening to Rush."

Yes, I'm biased. I love the balls-out passion of The Who, I love the grandeur of Zepplin. But I have a loathing for the pretentious twaddle that Rush has foisted on a gullible public that is, in fact, difficult to express with human words. (See also: pre-"Then There Were Three" Genesis, Yes, King Crimson, and--just because I'm feeling spiteful tonight, the first Roxy Music album.) I imagine that Pert still writes his lyrics in spiral bound notebook with a drawing of himself dressed as a knight slaying a dragon to save the princess Tiffani, leader of the Canada High pep squad. ("Once I show her my awesome song about a mostly-forgotten 19th century poem, she's SURE to ask me to the Sadie Hawkins Dance!")

I don't even mind over-long twaddle--I have a great love for Husker Du's "Zen Arcade", The Small Faces' "Odgen's Nut Gone Flake", The Pretty Things "SF Sorrow" and the Zombies "Oddesy and Oracle". But all of those are INTERESTING twaddle. Rush is devoid of irony on their music, making it just plain boring to listen to. When you hear Zepplin sing about The Lord of the Rings ("The Battle of Evermore"), you know it was just because they were high and it seemed like a good idea. When you hear Rush do it ("Rivendell"), you know it was because they were really FEELING the ELF VIBE.

Good GOD did I get off track. Sorry about that....

Anyway, yeah...The Who, Zepplin, Rush. In that order.

Now....where do we put the Zappa?

[Onnad]

I love Zeppelin, I hate Rush, and I love the Who. Boy, this is a hard one.... *chews on tongue for a minute* The Who. Did Zeppelin ever come out with a freaking MOVIE??

Yes. "The Song Remains the Same." :)

[Julio_Strikes_Back]

But there is no doubt that Neil Peart is the best drummer alive.

[DrEvyl666]

This is a no brainer as far as I'm concerned.

It's the band that has less members, that's still around after 30 years of touring... and none of it's members have died from their "rock star" lifestyle, and they still rock like they did on day one..

Of course, that would be Rush.

[NightMare]

Okay here's my opinion, somewhat un-biased :)


Okay

DRUMS
1. Moon
2. Neil
3. JB

Reason why? QUADROPHENIA.


VOCALS
1. Daltrey/Plant
2. Lee

Okay why is it a tie? Because the vocal styles of these two men are pretty much indentical, you can't compare it. They are equal in talent. Daltrey struggled to find his voice early on in his career, but Plant struggled to keep his voice later in his career. I saw the Who in '06, Daltrey sounded great.


BASS
1. Entwislte
2. Lee
3. Jones


Well, Entwistle's jsut the best. You can't even compare them. Watch the solo on youtube from the Royal Albert Hall from 2000. He's like Hendrix or Clapton with a Bass. Unbelievable!


GUITAR
1. Page
2. Townshend
3. Lifeson


Okay, no doubt, let's get this through. Townshend CAN'T solo like Page. He just can't. He can play some nice leads, but just NOT as good as Page. And Lifeson is LifeLESS. He has no passion up on \stage, it's just mundane soloing for him. I don't know why Rush is even in this battle, they just took everyhting they learned from The Who and Zeppelin.



BAND
1. The Who
2. Led Zeppelin
3. Rush


Okay, Zeppelin and Rush NEVER put anything out that could touch Quadrophenia. Quadrophenia is a masterpiece, which features the greatest rhythm section work I've ever heard in my life. Let's not forget Tommy and Who's Next, almost equally great albums. But I'm sorry, Moving Pictures does not compare to anyhting these guys put out. Who wins, Zeppelin second, Rush gets raped by both groups.

[DrEvyl666]

Why rank Pert fourth out of three? Simple: Pert CAN'T KEEP A BEAT. Listen to a Rush drum line: it's all fills. There's no beat! Sure, it's impressive, but good LORD does it get tiresome after a while. Also, he wrote songs about elves. I think that's enough to disqualify anyone*. :)

Obviously someone who has never looked at the mechanics of what Peart plays. Check out his DVD called "A Work In Progress" sometime. There's most definitely a beat there, and the guy is freakin amazing.

Not to mention that he's not the type to drink himself to death like the other two.



Now....where do we put the Zappa?

In a class by himself, where he belongs. He makes every musician on the planet outside of his band look like a hack.

[harbingerofdoom]

not sure how you can compare the three realistically.
pert has a wayyyyyy more technical style than any of the others. i dont know who said he couldnt keep a beat, but there is more to keeping a beat than just bass, snare, bass snare over a 4/4 measure.
i really doubt that anyone other than pert has used other pieces of percussion on stage and live such as xylophones bells chimes etc... so just on a purely technical level, id have to say he is heads above the rest...

as far as bass vocals and guitars go.... the only one that clearly stands out way above the rest is page who was just as innovative as pert was on drums non-standard methods to play stuff and doing some pretty weird things on stage which only he would be able to pull off...

the rest of the group? id say they were all excellent, but none really stands out being better than any of the others.

[xHeLLraiserx]

Steak vs. Cheesecake vs. Beer

See where I'm going here?;)

3 of the best things in the world, that were never intended to compare to one another.

+1 very hard to compare

[Cubecubed]

THIS IS FOR PLAYING INSTRUMENTS.

I say:
Robert > Roger > Geddy
Jimmy > Pete > Alex
John E. > Geddy > JPJ
Neal > John > Keith.

I say:
Robert > Roger > Geddy(absolutley dead on)
Jimmy > Pete > Alex(again dead on)
John E. > JPJ>Geddy (Entwhistle and John paul jones 1st and second all time)
John > Neal > Keith.(Bohnam hands down)

Overall
Led Zeppelin>The Who>Rush

[BhindBluEyes430]

[QUOTE=Onnad;241023]
Reason Moon IS #1: Side 3 of "Tommy"

Guitar: Page, Townshed, Leifson.

It's hard to choose between Page and Townshed. Page is, hands-down, the best guitar player of the 60s and 70s. Townshed, however, is the best RHYTHM guitar player of the 60s and 70s. Bass: Jones/Ox/Lee

Sorry, BlueEyes, I gotta give this one to John Paul Jones. It's a close call, but Jones eeks it out with his work on Led Zepplin 3. I'm not convinced that Entwistle could pull off something that folky and bluesy.

Yes, I'm biased. I love the balls-out passion of The Who, I love the grandeur of Zepplin. But I have a loathing for the pretentious twaddle that Rush has foisted on a gullible public that is, in fact, difficult to express with human words.
The Pretty Things "SF Sorrow"

Anyway, yeah...The Who, Zepplin, Rush. In that order.

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First off this made me laugh my ass off the things about rush. i seriously don'tsee how they are even close to the who or led zeppelin

Tru we all know Page can solo but when it comes to rhythm no one can beat townsend. he practivaly invented punk guitar. And just the showman ship. sure page did some moves but no one exept keith moon has the energy on stage as Townshend.

Haha Tommy side 3# was amazing although christmas has crazy drums.
but nobody can beat his performance at Leeds on "Live at Leeds"

John paul jones was very good i admit i have never really listend to Led Zep 3Still lemon song is my favorite by him. the bass seems like it never plays the same thing twice. Still Just listining to Baba o riley live with Johns bass isolated (Only instrument herd) I still hear notes ive never herd in the song before.

Bass awsomeness (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og4Bm8CZyNQ)

I liked SF Sorrow it is considered the first modern concept album and Even pete said he lifed some riffs and chords from it.

The Who > Zepplin
Rush dosent deserve to be on the list

[Cubecubed]

[QUOTE=Onnad;241023]
Reason Moon IS #1: Side 3 of "Tommy"

Guitar: Page, Townshed, Leifson.

It's hard to choose between Page and Townshed. Page is, hands-down, the best guitar player of the 60s and 70s. Townshed, however, is the best RHYTHM guitar player of the 60s and 70s. Bass: Jones/Ox/Lee

Sorry, BlueEyes, I gotta give this one to John Paul Jones. It's a close call, but Jones eeks it out with his work on Led Zepplin 3. I'm not convinced that Entwistle could pull off something that folky and bluesy.

Yes, I'm biased. I love the balls-out passion of The Who, I love the grandeur of Zepplin. But I have a loathing for the pretentious twaddle that Rush has foisted on a gullible public that is, in fact, difficult to express with human words.
The Pretty Things "SF Sorrow"

Anyway, yeah...The Who, Zepplin, Rush. In that order.

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First off this made me laugh my ass off the things about rush. i seriously don'tsee how they are even close to the who or led zeppelin

Tru we all know Page can solo but when it comes to rhythm no one can beat townsend. he practivaly invented punk guitar. And just the showman ship. sure page did some moves but no one exept keith moon has the energy on stage as Townshend.

Haha Tommy side 3# was amazing although christmas has crazy drums.
but nobody can beat his performance at Leeds on "Live at Leeds"

John paul jones was very good i admit i have never really listend to Led Zep 3Still lemon song is my favorite by him. the bass seems like it never plays the same thing twice. Still Just listining to Baba o riley live with Johns bass isolated (Only instrument herd) I still hear notes ive never herd in the song before.

Bass awsomeness (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og4Bm8CZyNQ)

I liked SF Sorrow it is considered the first modern concept album and Even pete said he lifed some riffs and chords from it.

The Who > Zepplin
Rush dosent deserve to be on the list
great point.

The Who invented punk guitar basically.
Zeppelin invented heavy metal guitar
Rush invented Prog rock, the most annoying genre ever.

[King_Nuthin]

The Who invented punk guitar basically.
I think the Kinks deserve just as much if not more credit for this honor.

[DesiredFX]

Rush invented Prog rock, the most annoying genre ever.

Giving way too much credit to Rush, there, who essentially started out as a very typical power trio and then spun their version of progressive rock off of work being done by bands like Pink Floyd, Genesis, Jethro Tull and even Zeppelin.

I honestly don't see what all the Rush love in this thread is. The guys have talent, but the creativity in the other two bands tears them completely to shreds.

If I'm going to rank on the idea that "Great bands produce great albums," it's:

The Who > Led Zeppelin > Rush, with Rush essentially as an afterthought.

If you're going to go by musicianship, as proposed in the original post:

Plant > Daltrey > Lee. Daltrey is an amazing singer, but Plant could handle more different styles. Lee is just kind of there. Doesn't do anything special at all with his vocal performances.

Townshend > Page > Lifeson. Townshend towers above the other two, simply because he's the most titanic songwriter of the groups. More than any other single person in these three groups, he defines his band, both with concepts and performances. And the reality is, Clapton could wipe up the floor with Page. Lifeson, again, competent performer, but nothing really special there.

Entwhistle = JPJ > Lee. I honestly can't choose between two masters, here. Jones is probably the single best musician in all three groups, as well as being a brilliant producer, but Entwhistle redefined rock-steady for generations. Lee is technically competent.

Moon > Bonham > Peart. There's a great episode of Freaks & Geeks where a huge Neil Peart fan is blown away by listening to Gene Krupa. Peart's a flashy drummer with little or no substance to his style. The other two created drum sounds and techniques that gave shape to rock (Moon) and metal (Bonham).

Now all the Rush fans can jump up and kill me, but the reality is, Rush loses out on every score (including lyrics).

This comparison is like Filet Mignon vs. Prime Rib vs. Hot Dogs.

The Who and Led Zeppelin each had multiple albums that changed the way people look at rock. Rush hasn't had even one.

[futant420]

But there is no doubt that Neil Peart is the best drummer alive.

Danny Carey might have somethin' to say about that. Having said that, Peart is a madman, truly awesome live. Gotta give it up to Moon just for the sheer amount of drugs, and Bonham is Bonham (Four Sticks).
edit: I think when people start confusing taste(subjective) and skill(objective) posts like these degenerate into frag-fests.

[DesiredFX]

edit: I think when people start confusing taste(subjective) and skill(objective) posts like these degenerate into frag-fests.

The topic posits which band is "most talented." Talent isn't a question of skill: skill is learned, talent is in-born.

My post was intending to give credit to Rush as being skilled musicians, but on sheer inspiration and creativity, they really have nothing on the other two bands.

[futant420]

The topic posits which band is "most talented." Talent isn't a question of skill: skill is learned, talent is in-born


OK. How can you judge talent? YOU CAN'T. The only way to come close is through the prism of skill. Talent is simply the ability to learn a skill quicker than a "non/less-talented" person learning the same skill. No one is born knowing how to play an instrument. I agree talent is intangible; some have it some don't, but there is simply no way to quantify it.
Now before the flaming starts be aware that I'm currently pursuing a dbl Master's in Performance Guitar and Music History, and I know this is a VERY old argument that may never be settled due to the philosophical nature of the subject. That said, skill is the accepted way of judging talent. How many skill-less virtuoso's do you know?
Edit: I don't know why I have to ruin a perfectly good discussion with facts. Sorry all.

[DesiredFX]

OK. How can you judge talent? YOU CAN'T. The only way to come close is through the prism of skill. Talent is simply the ability to learn a skill quicker than a "non/less-talented" person learning the same skill.

If we were talking strictly about performance, I would agree with you wholeheartedly.

However, the people in question are also, to varying degrees, composers and lyrists. If you'll look at my overview of the three bands, you'll see that I prize the larger musical skills over how well they play their instruments. My reason for that is that you can't really judge how well they play their instruments because none of them plays the same piece of music.

I have a lot more I could say on the subject, but, frankly, it would take too much out of me to pursue it right now. Hopefully, this gets across enough of what I was thinking when I originally posted.

[kingbayman]

I don't care for any of the three bands all that much really. But if I had to put them in order talent wise

1.Rush
2.The Who
3.Led Zeppelin

Geddy Lee is the most talented of all the members of the bands. He's the only one singing and playing at the same time. And his bass lines put JPJ and Entwhistle to shame.

The real bands that were good in the 70s were Deep Purple(the original metal band), Blue Oyster Cult(the original prog rock band), and CCR(John Fogerty has more talent in his pinky toe than all the members of those three bands combined)

[JukeBoxHero]

Blue Oyster Cult is not prog rock, they are a heavy metal.



[QUOTE=BhindBluEyes430;245343]

Rush invented Prog rock, the most annoying genre ever.

Rush did not invent the progressive rock genre, you so should know better than to say something with no proof to it.

[Rockbandfan23467]

Jones<<<<<<<<<Lee.





HOW DO YOU MAKE A POLL!!!!

[JukeBoxHero]

When your making a thread scroll down to where it say Additional Options. The option to create a poll is there.

[Rockbandfan23467]

When your making a thread scroll down to where it say Additional Options. The option to create a poll is there.
I know, but how do you type in the choices.

[IslandBoy91]

Zeppelin>The Who>Rush
John Bonham is easily the greatest drummer of all time
Jimmy Page is easily one of the greatest guitarists of all time
Robert Plant has some real nice pipes
and John Paul Jones is a great bassist

[BhindBluEyes430]

The topic posits which band is "most talented." Talent isn't a question of skill: skill is learned, talent is in-born.

My post was intending to give credit to Rush as being skilled musicians, but on sheer inspiration and creativity, they really have nothing on the other two bands.

If you want to go by talent as something your born with moon obviously wins
Bonham took alot of his playing from moon and Pert took his playing from both.

Moon was just crazy never the same fills never a straight beat. he dident even use a high hat. hes definatly the most creative drumer.

[Rush_Fan]

I would have to say.....well since my favorite band is Rush i would have to put them at the top.but then Led Zeppelin is a easy 2nd.its plain and simple led just rocks way harder than the who.but dont get me wrong the who are great but rush and led are just better.

those three have the best drummers of all time.they are the best in this order-

1-neil peart
2-john bonham
3-keith moon

guitarists go

1-jimmy page
2-alex lifeson(very underated.unfortunatly doesn't get any attention.)
3-pete townsend

bass

1-geddy lee
2-john paul jones
3-john entwistle

vocals go

1-roger daltrey
2-robert plant
3-geddy lee

[Totalimmortal]

I'm going to have to say that its hard to make a distinction on this because of the different styles of the bands. of the three, rush is my favorite. i loved led zep as a kid, and the who as well, i like both of them equally. but my bias aside...

Rush has kept going, producing album after album after album after what like 30 years. nobody else can really say that for themselves. not only that but each album has at least one really good song. most bands cant say that about most of their albums.

Zep. I grew up humming stairway to heaven. i sang the immigrant song. black dog. ramble on. kashmir. friggin love this band. my problem is they're not really a band anymore. its hard to compare bands who's current status as a band is not similar. i dont have a time machine. but yes, this is a bangin group.

The Who. Moon. Daltrey. godlike. i love tommy. i love quadrophenia. i love who's next. they have put out some of the greatest albums of all time. problem? KEITH MOON DIED! daltrey went after and put out under a raging moon. what a great song/album. i just dont think that the who and zep can really be compared to rush as they died out and rush is still going with the original members.

just my 2 cents.

[Rush_Fan]

i agree that its hard to compare the three.because rush is more prog that the other two.but you make a great point that rush has a leg up on them cause they last and are still around.but i guess you can compare all of their early work.because early rush i must say is way better than current rush.and early led and latter led is equally good,while the who is as well.so its a matter of whatever you're taste in music is.personally my fav is rush also then led zeppelin and nex the who.

[Zidane]

Vocals-Daltrey or Plant, although the real winner is Freddie Mercury
Guitar-Jimi Page
Bass-Geddy Lee
Drums-Between Keith Moon and Neil Peart for me...

So if we add all the names up it's.. a tie?! I just don't like Bonham's style of drumming... no style.

[Modfather]

Vocals-Daltrey or Plant, although the real winner is Freddie Mercury
Guitar-Jimi Page
Bass-Geddy Lee
Drums-Between Keith Moon and Neil Peart for me...

So if we add all the names up it's.. a tie?! I just don't like Bonham's style of drumming... no style.

Listen while this doesn't matter much because this won't change anyone's opinions, but The Who win just because they were so cohesive. For bass sorry, but Entwhistle was much better then Geddy Lee he was playing lead bass. Isolate any Who track and the stuff Entwhistle is doing is crazy. The dude changed the instrument. I could post all the reasons why The Who are the best, but it might be too long. As for Bonham having no style what are you talking about, that guy was sick. I'm assuming you are not a drummer he does amazing things. triplets on the bass drum with a single pedal that is crazy I love those fat bass drum beats.

[Zidane]

I'm not a drummer, true-but whenever someone says Bonham is a great drummer I can't help but remember the many times I've heard Moby Dick and got bored to tears.

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It wasn't until I saw this performance that I looked down on Bonham's drum solo. Peart made that song into something else during his solo. When I think of Moby Dick, no matter what anyone says, the drumming just sounds like noise without a reason.

[DrummeRy32]

OH No way....No way. Moon shouldn't even be considered with these two amazing drummers. Moon was an act yea he was "crazy" maybe thats why you can hear him hittin rims and clicking sticks together on his studio stuff( like i did when i was 13). Did Bonham or Neil have to smash their drums when they were done playin. Nope cause they tour it up with their playin...The Who is great with waht they were ding for their time...but keith moon does not compare to neil or bonham just dosent... Keith Moon Who?

[Modfather]

What are you talking about Moon had a completely unique style ask just about anyone his style playing directly from his emotions has not been seen before or since that alone makes him the greatest or pretty close to being the greatest drummer around.

[Insane3]

Ok, I know I'm kinda off topic but the most talented band I know is not any of these three, it's not a power metal, blues or whatever band, it's an extremely weird band called Gentle Giant. The members were all multi-instrumentists, they have guitar, drums, bass, vibraphone, flute, keyboard, ect solos. The song knots is the most complex song i ever heard. The only version available on youtube of this song is live and, even though they are great, they changed the song structure and I prefer the original. But here's another I love:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fx7m74bY2Nw&feature=related

[NormanCoxwell]

Love all three. Can really pick a favorite.

I did though go to the first Who concert after the Ox died. Hershey PA, the chocolate capitol of the world. The Ox died in Nevada about a week or so before the concert. They said he was supposed to be there, but didn't show up.

[DrummeRy32]

seriously you think he is the only drummer to play with emotions like that... you need to listen to more music and different drummers. I know me for example play with emotions and more importantly a groove... as far as his style goes he was sloppy and highly over played. He lacked technical skill which being a drummer once you start seperating your feet and doing four different things with you hands example(tomas lang) thats when drumming becomes diffacult not when you are just makin nosie as i feel Keith Moon does...Now this is coming from someone who likes the who and used to love keith moon but the more i learned about drums the more he was way overratted in my book..and if you lookin for someone who plays similar to his style which is more with the melody rather then the bass Mitch Mitchel from Hendrix puts him to shame not only playing with feeling but with a purpose

[OldFogey]

seriously you think he is the only drummer to play with emotions like that... you need to listen to more music and different drummers. I know me for example play with emotions and more importantly a groove... as far as his style goes he was sloppy and highly over played. He lacked technical skill which being a drummer once you start seperating your feet and doing four different things with you hands example(tomas lang) thats when drumming becomes diffacult not when you are just makin nosie as i feel Keith Moon does...Now this is coming from someone who likes the who and used to love keith moon but the more i learned about drums the more he was way overratted in my book..and if you lookin for someone who plays similar to his style which is more with the melody rather then the bass Mitch Mitchel from Hendrix puts him to shame not only playing with feeling but with a purpose

Not being a drummer, I was afraid to go where you have gone -- but as a musician, that's what I hear. Glad to hear a drummer confirm my ears.

Thanks for props to Mitch -- good comparison. Similar energy, but unique choice of rhythms. I love drummers who play on the off beats. Mitch certainly had that knack.

[RobO2112]

I like all three. Gonna' give it to Rush for obvious reasons. I take nothing away from the others.

I do think that Alex Lifeson is possibly one of the most under rated guitarists around. His style is highly expressive, his playing tells the story the lyrics don't have to.

At any rate, I'm pretty sure Metallica doesn't have "Geddy, Alex, and Neil of Rush" as a "Special Thanks To" in their Master of Puppets album liner notes... because Rush hardly influenced any bands, or musicians *coughLes Claypoolcough*, of note.:rolleyes:

[Insane3]

I like all three. Gonna' give it to Rush for obvious reasons. I take nothing away from the others.

I do think that Alex Lifeson is possibly one of the most under rated guitarists around. His style is highly expressive, his playing tells the story the lyrics don't have to.

At any rate, I'm pretty sure Metallica doesn't have "Geddy, Alex, and Neil of Rush" as a "Special Thanks To" in their Master of Puppets album liner notes... because Rush hardly influenced any bands, or musicians *coughLes Claypoolcough*, of note.:rolleyes:

Rush is an excellent group but they did not influenced rock or metal as Led Zeppelin did. I'm not a huge Zeppelin fan, but I gotta say they're probably the most influent band between those 3. The Who and Rush are amazing bands but they just weren't as revolutionnary as Led Zeppelin were. Led Zeppelin mixed indian soung, hard rock sound and blues sound. Listen to Kashmir! Rock and Roll! I mean they used what existed to make something totally new. They are one of the main Metal roots cause Metal uses a lot of indian sound for they're solos and things. Listen to war pigs, especially the part before the first solo.

But about talent... This question is hard. Bonham is really good but I think that Moon is better and Neil even better. Best singer, well it oubviously aint Geddy, but I can't choose between the 2 others. Guitarist, well it has to be page for the reasons I mention upper ; he reinvented rock. The best bassist is Geddy, then The Who's one (can't remember his name) and finally, John Paul Jones.

[BhindBluEyes430]

Rush is an excellent group but they did not influenced rock or metal as Led Zeppelin did. I'm not a huge Zeppelin fan, but I gotta say they're probably the most influent band between those 3. The Who and Rush are amazing bands but they just weren't as revolutionnary as Led Zeppelin were. Led Zeppelin mixed indian soung, hard rock sound and blues sound. Listen to Kashmir! Rock and Roll! I mean they used what existed to make something totally new. They are one of the main Metal roots cause Metal uses a lot of indian sound for they're solos and things. Listen to war pigs, especially the part before the first solo.



Yea right you think Led zeppelin was more revolutionary than thw who. First off the Who basiclay invented Punk and the first guitar smash. They also Wrote the first Rock opera and one of the most famous concept albums Tommy. Without the who you probably would never have had bands like AC/Dc, the clash, the sex pistols. there would never have been albums like The Wall or Ziggy stardust. What has led zeppelin influnced, generic rock bands. Even Moon influnced Bonham and Perts drumming style. They brought energy into Rock music thats what makes them more revolutionary. i can't think of a band that put that emotion and energy into a song.

[Rockbandfan23467]

BlueEyes, Led Zeppelin invented METAL! You can't Kill the Metal!!!!!!!!

Led Zeppelin Influenced nearly every metal band to date and were an Anti-Influence on Punk. Also they were a Progressive Influence. The Who DIDN'T INVENT PUNK, guys like MC5 and Iggy did.

[OldFogey]

Yea right you think Led zeppelin was more revolutionary than thw who. First off the Who basiclay invented Punk and the first guitar smash. They also Wrote the first Rock opera and one of the most famous concept albums Tommy. Without the who you probably would never have had bands like AC/Dc, the clash, the sex pistols. there would never have been albums like The Wall or Ziggy stardust. What has led zeppelin influnced, generic rock bands. Even Moon influnced Bonham and Perts drumming style. They brought energy into Rock music thats what makes them more revolutionary. i can't think of a band that put that emotion and energy into a song.

And they refused to go on after Jimi at Monterey. (So I guess they did occasionally display good judgment :D) They hold out and force management to change the order so they go on before Jimi. Pete does his guitar smash, Keith kicks his drums, etc. (cheap stunts to be honest), and then Jimi comes on -- lighting a funeral pyre for his guitar was his payback for being moved up on the bill. Let's think about which performance is remembered today?

Statements like we would never have had xyz without the Who are way too strong. For one thing, you completely forget the Kinks, another major influence from the same era. They didn't exactly do a rock opera, but Village Preservation Society (a year before Tommy) was a big step on the way -- consistent setting, repeating characters, etc. That was followed up by Arthur (the Decline and Fall of the British Empire). There's nothing in Ziggy or the Wall that couldn't have been gotten from these albums.

There are lots of "revolutionaries" in Rock. There's a lot of Rock beyond the Who and Zepp.

[Insane3]

Yea right you think Led zeppelin was more revolutionary than thw who. First off the Who basiclay invented Punk and the first guitar smash. They also Wrote the first Rock opera and one of the most famous concept albums Tommy. Without the who you probably would never have had bands like AC/Dc, the clash, the sex pistols. there would never have been albums like The Wall or Ziggy stardust. What has led zeppelin influnced, generic rock bands. Even Moon influnced Bonham and Perts drumming style. They brought energy into Rock music thats what makes them more revolutionary. i can't think of a band that put that emotion and energy into a song.

The who is an excellent band, but the most famous concept album are all by Pink Floyd and P/F is as old as The Who. The wall was more influenced by hard rock and Led Zeppelin are one of the first real hard rock band. AC/DC sounds much more like Led Zeppelin than like the Who. I agree that Ziggy Stardust was probably a bit influenced by The Who. I'm not saying The Who wasnt revolutionnary, I'm saying that Led Zeppelin is the most influent of those 3 bands. This aint even about skills. I don't know enough about musical theory to say to you what band is the most talented, but I consider myself enough objective to tell that music we hear sounds much more like Led Zeppelin than The Who. I repeat again and again, I love the Who, they just didn't reinvent rock. The list of bands that revolutionned rock (not including metal) is short; I'd say it's something like:
-Elvis Presley
-The Beatles
-Led Zeppelin
... And I can't think of any other band that changed the rock genre like they did. Maybe Jimi Hendrix... but if Hendrix qualifies, many, many other musicians and bands qualify.

[OldFogey]

The who is an excellent band, but the most famous concept album are all by Pink Floyd and P/F is as old as The Who. The wall was more influenced by hard rock and Led Zeppelin are one of the first real hard rock band. AC/DC sounds much more like Led Zeppelin than like the Who. I agree that Ziggy Stardust was probably a bit influenced by The Who. I'm not saying The Who wasnt revolutionnary, I'm saying that Led Zeppelin is the most influent of those 3 bands. This aint even about skills. I don't know enough about musical theory to say to you what band is the most talented, but I consider myself enough objective to tell that music we hear sounds much more like Led Zeppelin than The Who. I repeat again and again, I love the Who, they just didn't reinvent rock. The list of bands that revolutionned rock (not including metal) is short; I'd say it's something like:
-Elvis Presley
-The Beatles
-Led Zeppelin
... And I can't think of any other band that changed the rock genre like they did. Maybe Jimi Hendrix... but if Hendrix qualifies, many, many other musicians and bands qualify.

So first off -- Chuck Berry is not on your list. Neither are the Beach Boys (remember why the Beatles did Sgt. Pepper's? A little thing called Pet Sounds?) And that should tell us all something about lists like this. There are so many smaller and larger revolutions in rock that points could be argued either way endlessly. Best just not to go there. Appreciate the revolutions for what they were.

[Insane3]

So first off -- Chuck Berry is not on your list. Neither are the Beach Boys (remember why the Beatles did Sgt. Pepper's? A little thing called Pet Sounds?) And that should tell us all something about lists like this. There are so many smaller and larger revolutions in rock that points could be argued either way endlessly. Best just not to go there. Appreciate the revolutions for what they were.

First of all, this wasnt an "official list" I wrote it in 10 sec. Second, I personnaly consider Chuck like a bluesman (and I'm sure he'd agree if he was in the possibility to do that lol) while Presley was making Rock and Roll. The Beach Boys is an excellent band but do you really consider they're work as revolutionnary as the Beatles? The Beatles made rock popular, if they didnt do that, itd still be something like reggae: excellent but unpopular (I'm recycling my ideas from other threads lol). I finaly wrote Led Zeppelin because I had to choose the band that was the root of the hard rock genre. These are the three steps I consider as the most important in rock history. Now if you have other ideas, I would seriously love to read them but I'd also like it to get more friendly cause this is getting kinda violent lol.

[OldFogey]

First of all, this wasnt an "official list" I wrote it in 10 sec. Second, I personnaly consider Chuck like a bluesman (and I'm sure he'd agree if he was in the possibility to do that lol) while Presley was making Rock and Roll. The Beach Boys is an excellent band but do you really consider they're work as revolutionnary as the Beatles? The Beatles made rock popular, if they didnt do that, itd still be something like reggae: excellent but unpopular (I'm recycling my ideas from other threads lol). I finaly wrote Led Zeppelin because I had to choose the band that was the root of the hard rock genre. These are the three steps I consider as the most important in rock history. Now if you have other ideas, I would seriously love to read them but I'd also like it to get more friendly cause this is getting kinda violent lol.

By all means -- let's keep it friendly. Sorry if it came off any other way.

I do disagree with you, though. And here are my other ideas.

In his rock and roll hall of fame induction, it says "While no individual can be said to have invented rock and roll, Chuck Berry comes the closest of any single figure to being the one who put all the essential pieces together."

The Beach Boys took jazz harmonies from the likes of the Letterman and combined it with Berry-influenced Rock and Roll to form the first of what would be many blends of jazz and rock. That's a revolutionary combination. And Pet Sounds is definitely one of the most revolutionary albums in the history of rock and roll, so much so that the Beatles are all on record as saying it was the inspiration for Sgt Peppers.

I think the roots of Hard Rock is an interesting discussion, but there are definitely other acts whose contributions are worth considering: Hendrix, of course, and this weird band from SF called Blue Cheer, a direct influence on Black Sabbath. I was there at the time, man, and we never heard anything like that before.

I think there are more than 3 big steps here -- there's folk and rock, country and rock, jazz and rock, classical and rock (the roots of progressive rock). Acid Rock. Boy Bands. Rap. And the beat goes on....

[BhindBluEyes430]

And they refused to go on after Jimi at Monterey. (So I guess they did occasionally display good judgment :D) They hold out and force management to change the order so they go on before Jimi. Pete does his guitar smash, Keith kicks his drums, etc. (cheap stunts to be honest), and then Jimi comes on -- lighting a funeral pyre for his guitar was his payback for being moved up on the bill. Let's think about which performance is remembered today?
.

Firts off at monterey they went before Jimi because they lost a Coin toss. Second off Jimi riped off the who by destroying his guitar. he copied them eveyone in interveiws said he did. The who upstaged everyone even the rolling stones witch led to them not releasing "Rock and roll circus" for 20 years.

and who inspired the MC5's and the stooges. the who. listen to some of the live mc5's stuff they took alot of that energy in playing and style from the who. Also AC/DC basicaly took the same chord progression the who made Famous with Won't get fooled again and used it in at least half of their songs.
my list of most influential artists
-Muddy Waters (Almost all rock and roll )
-The beatles (Pop)
-The Who (Punk)
-Black sabbath (Metal)

[Rockbandfan23467]

Firts off at monterey they went before Jimi because they lost a Coin toss. Second off Jimi riped off the who by destroying his guitar. he copied them eveyone in interveiws said he did. The who upstaged everyone even the rolling stones witch led to them not releasing "Rock and roll circus" for 20 years.

and who inspired the MC5's and the stooges. the who. listen to some of the live mc5's stuff they took alot of that energy in playing and style from the who. Also AC/DC basicaly took the same chord progression the who made Famous with Won't get fooled again and used it in at least half of their songs.
my list of most influential artists
-Muddy Waters (Almost all rock and roll )
-The Beatles (Everything!)
-The Who (Punk)
-Led Zeppelin (Metal)

Fixed.

Ya, but are The Who Punk? NO!!!!!!! Would a Punk band release a song as long as WGFA?!? NO F IN WAY!!!!!!!!

[OldFogey]

Firts off at monterey they went before Jimi because they lost a Coin toss. Second off Jimi riped off the who by destroying his guitar. he copied them eveyone in interveiws said he did. The who upstaged everyone even the rolling stones witch led to them not releasing "Rock and roll circus" for 20 years.


Why was there a coin toss? Because Pete said he would not follow Jimi:

http://www.truveo.com/Pete-Townshend-talks-about-Monterey-Pop-Festival/id/671461988 From Pete's own mouth.

You can't rip off someone by doing something they never did -- that was the point. Take their schtick and up it one. One thing is clear, tho' -- the upstaging at Monterey was clearly Jimi upstaging the Who.

[Jhail83]

Rush is the answer.
How many bands have made great records (in my opinion anyway) in 5 decades changing styles while not selling out? They never went the easy route and made stupid pop songs. I own all 3 of these bands whole catalogue, and while I love the Who and Led Zeppelin, they basically stayed the same bands their whole careers (which is fine cuz they are excellent) but Rush has 3 memeber, still puts out alot of great technical music, and just sounds amazing live. Are they the most energetic ? no but they sound the best.

Also who cares who invented what? I dont give a damn, all I care about is what their music sounds like.


[QUOTE=BhindBluEyes430;245343]
great point.

The Who invented punk guitar basically.
Zeppelin invented heavy metal guitar
Rush invented Prog rock, the most annoying genre ever.

Rush did not. King Crimson did.(arguably)


Anyway my order is this...
Bass: Geddy Lee, John Entwistle, John Paul Jones. Victor Wooten is better than all 3.
Keyboards - Geddy Lee =) Many people are better lol but he is the only one who plays keys.
Singing - Daltry,Plant, Lee - (I will point out that Lee is the most technical of the 3 imo, he just dont have the voice like the others. But I do like his singing) Mike Patton is better than all 3 though =)
Guitars - Jimmy Page, Alex Lifeson, Pete Townshend (Lifeson is very underrated! Heck he may even be better than page nowadays)Stevie Ray Vaughn was better than all 3.
Drums - Neil Peart , Keith Moon, John Bonham. Buddy Rich was better than all 3.

In the 70's It would have been Moon then Peart, but since then Peart has just gotten even better! Too bad Moon and Bonham both died so young....

Also i'd like to point out rush has more consecutive Platinum and Gold albums than the other 2!!! This doesn't measure talent really, but it does measure staying power. Especially with little to no radio play.

Also why wasn't Pink Floyd included in this debate? Is it because they aren't as intense? I mean they weren't the best at their instruments, but Gilmour had some amazing solos, and they but out music that equaled the other 3, or maybe even bettered at times.

[Insane3]

By all means -- let's keep it friendly. Sorry if it came off any other way.

I do disagree with you, though. And here are my other ideas.

In his rock and roll hall of fame induction, it says "While no individual can be said to have invented rock and roll, Chuck Berry comes the closest of any single figure to being the one who put all the essential pieces together."

The Beach Boys took jazz harmonies from the likes of the Letterman and combined it with Berry-influenced Rock and Roll to form the first of what would be many blends of jazz and rock. That's a revolutionary combination. And Pet Sounds is definitely one of the most revolutionary albums in the history of rock and roll, so much so that the Beatles are all on record as saying it was the inspiration for Sgt Peppers.

I think the roots of Hard Rock is an interesting discussion, but there are definitely other acts whose contributions are worth considering: Hendrix, of course, and this weird band from SF called Blue Cheer, a direct influence on Black Sabbath. I was there at the time, man, and we never heard anything like that before.

I think there are more than 3 big steps here -- there's folk and rock, country and rock, jazz and rock, classical and rock (the roots of progressive rock). Acid Rock. Boy Bands. Rap. And the beat goes on....

Ok, I agree about Chuck Berry, he's a heck of a guitarist anyway. So my list of 3 most influencial bands of all time would be like:
1- Chuck Berry
2- The Beatles
3- Led Zeppelin.
Let's try to keep it a list of 3. I guess beach boys did change the face or rock but I don't think they should replace Bealtes in that list. Their popularity was a very important step to change rock. If they didnt exist, many ppl would not have been interested by rock.


Osbourne says he was deeply influenced by The Beatles and his favourite album of all time is Revolver.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sabbath#Formation_and_early_days_.281968.29
This site also confirms what you said about Jimi Hendrix and Blue Cheer.

I love Hendrix. Seriously. He's my favourite guitarist. But when I listen to his songs, I don't really find the sound that influenced hard rock. His guitar playing is more sloppy than heavy. He sounds like the end of My Generation lol.

[Insane3]

Also why wasn't Pink Floyd included in this debate? Is it because they aren't as intense? I mean they weren't the best at their instruments, but Gilmour had some amazing solos, and they but out music that equaled the other 3, or maybe even bettered at times.

Pink Floyd doesnt fits in the most talented band list, but they fit in the best songwriters list though. The way they mixed orchestra's melodic sound with guitar's progressive sound in the Wall is simply amazing.

[OldFogey]

Ok, I agree about Chuck Berry, he's a heck of a guitarist anyway. So my list of 3 most influencial bands of all time would be like:
1- Chuck Berry
2- The Beatles
3- Led Zeppelin.
Let's try to keep it a list of 3. I guess beach boys did change the face or rock but I don't think they should replace Bealtes in that list. Their popularity was a very important step to change rock. If they didnt exist, many ppl would not have been interested by rock.


Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sabbath#Formation_and_early_days_.281968.29
This site also confirms what you said about Jimi Hendrix and Blue Cheer.

I love Hendrix. Seriously. He's my favourite guitarist. But when I listen to his songs, I don't really find the sound that influenced hard rock. His guitar playing is more sloppy than heavy. He sounds like the end of My Generation lol.

Excellent post, Insane3.

You certainly have a right to your list of 3, and if you're going to have a list of 3 that's a pretty d**n good one. Personally I'd have a really hard time coming up with a list of 3. :o

I may still have some educating to do for you about Jimi ;)

One thing to keep in mind about influence -- it's hard to have influence when you're so f****n good nobody else can do what you do. That has happened to a few different acts in the history of rock 'n' roll -- the Beach Boys are one example, Zappa is another. (Not that they haven't had influence, just that they didn't spawn a whole species or sub-species or Rock just because there are just not enough acts who can do what they do.)

So don't put too much weight on how much influence a band had -- remember that a lot of the great Rock Bands started out in garages, with kids who really didn't know WTH they were doing on their instruments, so they picked up on the stuff that was easiest to copy. (Of course the great ones eventually grew past that point, but the influence remained.)

[BhindBluEyes430]

heres something i found
http://www.johnentwistle.com/images/bass2kp1.jpg
i think its a great list. Read the Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Entwistle#Technique)page it tells that he pioneered modern bass style

Even if the who's individual talents werent as good as Rush or led zeppelin there is no doubt in my mind that the way those individuals came together is stronger than any other group. Rush sounds like 3 seperate songs going at once. and led zep never realy seem to connect. but the who on every song that energy connects and makes such amazing songs

[Rockbandfan23467]

heres something i found
http://www.johnentwistle.com/images/bass2kp1.jpg
McCartney and Jones are too high, James Jamerson and Jaco Pastouris are too low and better than Entwhistle, Novoselic sucks, plain and simple, and WERE THE FOR UNLAWFUL CARNIAL KNOWLEDGE IS GEDDY LEE!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gimmie a F(F!)
Gimmie a A(A!)
Gimme a I(I!)
Gimmie a L (L!)
Gimmie a U(U!)
Gimmie a R(R!)
Gimmie a E (E!)

PUT IT ALL TOGETHER AND WHAT DOES IT SPELL???

FAILURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Julio_Strikes_Back]

heres something i found


Even if the who's individual talents werent as good as Rush or led zeppelin there is no doubt in my mind that the way those individuals came together is stronger than any other group. Rush sounds like 3 seperate songs going at once. and led zep never realy seem to connect. but the who on every song that energy connects and makes such amazing songs
You can stop now.

[OldFogey]

McCartney and Jones are too high, James Jamerson and Jaco Pastouris are too low and better than Entwhistle, Novoselic sucks, plain and simple, and WERE THE FOR UNLAWFUL CARNIAL KNOWLEDGE IS GEDDY LEE!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gimmie a F(F!)
Gimmie a A(A!)
Gimme a I(I!)
Gimmie a L (L!)
Gimmie a U(U!)
Gimmie a R(R!)
Gimmie a E (E!)

PUT IT ALL TOGETHER AND WHAT DOES IT SPELL???

FAILURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think it's fair to say the criteria, whatever they were, were not heavily weighted towards musicianship....:D

[OldFogey]

You can stop now.

:D and :D again

[OldFogey]

heres something i found
http://www.johnentwistle.com/images/bass2kp1.jpg
i think its a great list. Read the Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Entwistle#Technique)

It's also weird when you read the text what it says about McCartney -- obviously the people who put this poll together don't know their a**** from holes in the ground sponsored this poll. McCartney himself credits Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys with inspiring him to make his bass playing more creative and bring it forward. So, it's really Brian who belongs in the number two slot, not Paul according to that logic. http://www.brianwilson.com/media/words/mccartney.html

Another huge Omission -- Larry Graham, Sly's bass player. He invented the slap technique and essentially funk bass. Graham was a huge influence on Bootsy Collins, the bass player with James Brown who moved on to Parliament. Bootsy was a huge influence on Flea.

Thanks for the link on Entwhistle. Good reading. He definitely deserves to be on the list, but the list overall is pretty shoddy. At least they got Jamerson on it. But for him not to be top or near the top with say, Jaco, is just ridiculous.

[Rockbandfan23467]

Another huge Omission -- Larry Graham, Sly's bass player. He invented the slap technique and essentially funk bass. Graham was a huge influence on Bootsy Collins, the bass player with James Brown who moved on to Parliament. Bootsy was a huge influence on Flea.


How did I forget those two? Bootsy and Larry are buttloads (sorry) better than Paul, Flea, Lemmy, Sting, and Jones.

[OldFogey]

How did I forget those two? Bootsy and Larry are buttloads (sorry) better than Paul, Flea, Lemmy, Sting, and Jones.

Rockbandfan -- I'd like to share my favorite bass player. Neils Henning Orsted Pedersen, affectionately known as NHOP. Tell me what you think after watching this:
Joe Pass and Neils Henning Orsted Pedersen play Charlie Parker's Donna Lee (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Npy3DlV98yM). NHOP's solo starts at around 2:30. Of course, Joe Pass is pretty good, too. It's a Rock forum -- but if they can put Jaco on the list, then NHOP should be a list unto himself. NHOP died in 2005 at 58.

Edgar Meyer is another favorite if you want to check him out. Edgar is around and very active in the classical and bluegrass communities.

[Insane3]

Excellent post, Insane3.

You certainly have a right to your list of 3, and if you're going to have a list of 3 that's a pretty d**n good one. Personally I'd have a really hard time coming up with a list of 3. :o

I may still have some educating to do for you about Jimi ;)

One thing to keep in mind about influence -- it's hard to have influence when you're so f****n good nobody else can do what you do. That has happened to a few different acts in the history of rock 'n' roll -- the Beach Boys are one example, Zappa is another. (Not that they haven't had influence, just that they didn't spawn a whole species or sub-species or Rock just because there are just not enough acts who can do what they do.)

So don't put too much weight on how much influence a band had -- remember that a lot of the great Rock Bands started out in garages, with kids who really didn't know WTH they were doing on their instruments, so they picked up on the stuff that was easiest to copy. (Of course the great ones eventually grew past that point, but the influence remained.)

I agree about the fact that great musician aren't really influent cause what they play is too hard. First band that comes in my mind about that is Gentle Giant. They've done the best prog rock I know, it was completely new. There never was anything like that and there still aint nothing like it. And the reason is they use complex chords, weird progressions and way too many instruments for the common "guitar drums bass vocals" band.

[Insane3]

heres something i found
http://www.johnentwistle.com/images/bass2kp1.jpg
i think its a great list. Read the Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Entwistle#Technique)page it tells that he pioneered modern bass style

Even if the who's individual talents werent as good as Rush or led zeppelin there is no doubt in my mind that the way those individuals came together is stronger than any other group. Rush sounds like 3 seperate songs going at once. and led zep never realy seem to connect. but the who on every song that energy connects and makes such amazing songs

Chris Squire is too low and Flea too. Jones is WAY too high, he's not even a good bassist. Geezer Butler ain't there?! This list is not good. It's a weird list in fact.

[JukeBoxHero]

Chris Squire is too low and Flea too. Jones is WAY too high, he's not even a good bassist. Geezer Butler ain't there?! This list is not good. It's a weird list in fact.

Yeah Chris Squire is a much better bassist then some of the bassists on that list.

[JukeBoxHero]

heres something i found
http://www.johnentwistle.com/images/bass2kp1.jpg
i think its a great list. Read the Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Entwistle#Technique)page it tells that he pioneered modern bass style

Even if the who's individual talents werent as good as Rush or led zeppelin there is no doubt in my mind that the way those individuals came together is stronger than any other group. Rush sounds like 3 seperate songs going at once. and led zep never realy seem to connect. but the who on every song that energy connects and makes such amazing songs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqkBboJbgco


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4YAy6dKxiA


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epr144KsKGI

Maybe it just me, but I think Rush is pretty connected during their songs.

[OldFogey]

Yeah Chris Squire is a much better bassist then some of the bassists on that list.

Nice props for Chris -- the original question made me think "Well, what about the original Yes lineup: Rick Wakeman, Steve Howe, Bill Bruford, Chris Squire, John Anderson."

I actually don't want to start another debate about which band is most talented, because my real point is there are a lot of really talented bands -- actually much more talented bands, in my opinion -- that haven't been part of this discussion.

[JukeBoxHero]

Nice props for Chris -- the original question made me think "Well, what about the original Yes lineup: Rick Wakeman, Steve Howe, Bill Bruford, Chris Squire, John Anderson."

I actually don't want to start another debate about which band is most talented, because my real point is there are a lot of really talented bands -- actually much more talented bands, in my opinion -- that haven't been part of this discussion.

Yes, Yes(the irony) was great band with their first line up, although Drama wasn't a bad album either. I agree OldFogey, they are tons of bands that are much more talented than the three in this discussion.(Although Rush is my favorite band of all time so far.)

[Rockbandfan23467]

10th Page!!!!!!

[Jhail83]

Tony Levin is better than everyone else on that list, and Victor Wooten is the absolute best and he don't even get on the list? and where is Geddy Lee. That list sucks.

[OldFogey]

10th Page!!!!!!

And counting....:rolleyes:

[RobO2112]

I'm gonna' go ahead and say that Flea is probably one of the most overrated bassists around. Don't get me wrong, he's very good, but... The way some people cream themselves at the mere mention of "Flea" is... ******ed. Stu Hamm, Jaco Pastorius, Victor Wooten, these are names that when you hear them you should maybe crap your pants over if extremely technical and musical bass is your thing.

Just my opinion, probably extremely unpopular, but does anyone feel similarly?

[DethBoxx]

Led Zep would have more respect from me if they hadn't stolen so much of their music from others. I choose Rush.

[Insane3]

Led Zep would have more respect from me if they hadn't stolen so much of their music from others. I choose Rush.

Yeah, well you need to precise what you mean and give relyable sources on that one.

[DethBoxx]

Dude, it's common knowledge. Use Google.

[Julio_Strikes_Back]

The only real blatant steal is Whole Lotta Love.

[Rockbandfan23467]

The only real blatant steal is Whole Lotta Love.

I always heard they never wrote an origional song.

post 100!!!!!!!!!!

[Rockbandfan23467]

How did this thread last this long? I just wanted to hear opionions on 3 bands known for their great ability to play insturments!! I shall state how I feel:



It's all BehindBlueyes fault.

[BhindBluEyes430]

I hope thats sarcasm i was just standing up for a band that dosen't get the recognition it deserves.

[gocryemokid]

I'd have to go with Geddy, Jimmy, Neil, and Robert

[brandion77]

I'm 100 percent with this guy.


Rush is the answer.
How many bands have made great records (in my opinion anyway) in 5 decades changing styles while not selling out? They never went the easy route and made stupid pop songs. I own all 3 of these bands whole catalogue, and while I love the Who and Led Zeppelin, they basically stayed the same bands their whole careers (which is fine cuz they are excellent) but Rush has 3 memeber, still puts out alot of great technical music, and just sounds amazing live. Are they the most energetic ? no but they sound the best.

Also who cares who invented what? I dont give a damn, all I care about is what their music sounds like.

[QUOTE=Cubecubed;245439]

Rush did not. King Crimson did.(arguably)


Anyway my order is this...
Bass: Geddy Lee, John Entwistle, John Paul Jones. Victor Wooten is better than all 3.
Keyboards - Geddy Lee =) Many people are better lol but he is the only one who plays keys.
Singing - Daltry,Plant, Lee - (I will point out that Lee is the most technical of the 3 imo, he just dont have the voice like the others. But I do like his singing) Mike Patton is better than all 3 though =)
Guitars - Jimmy Page, Alex Lifeson, Pete Townshend (Lifeson is very underrated! Heck he may even be better than page nowadays)Stevie Ray Vaughn was better than all 3.
Drums - Neil Peart , Keith Moon, John Bonham. Buddy Rich was better than all 3.

In the 70's It would have been Moon then Peart, but since then Peart has just gotten even better! Too bad Moon and Bonham both died so young....

Also i'd like to point out rush has more consecutive Platinum and Gold albums than the other 2!!! This doesn't measure talent really, but it does measure staying power. Especially with little to no radio play.

Also why wasn't Pink Floyd included in this debate? Is it because they aren't as intense? I mean they weren't the best at their instruments, but Gilmour had some amazing solos, and they but out music that equaled the other 3, or maybe even bettered at times.

[battlewithin]

I agree (for the most part) with Rush_Fan on everything except vocals... I'm sorry, but Daltrey doesn't have a voice that could come anywhere near what Plant can do. I'm a die-hard Zep fan, but The Who and Rush are really close behind. I haven't heard nearly as much of Rush's or The Who's catalog as I have of Zeppelin. I know Page is better than Lifeson who's better than Townsend, although there are some pieces from each that are insane. Honestly, bass-wise, I'd call it a tie. If you really listen to the bass lines, Entwistle and Lee are the fastest, most intricate players, but Jones plays a lot more instruments and has a lot more 'talent' than the other two combined...

[yzam]

zeppelin wins!:cool:

[BhindBluEyes430]

zeppelin wins!:cool:

No havent you read any posts in this thread NOBODY WINS lol

[Quadraphonic]

Im going with the Who. They definitely do not get enough credit for pretty much introducing the world to HARD ROCK. They blazed the trail which bands like Zeppelin followed. Page is the best guitarist of the 3 but only with technical talent, when it comes to live action its Townshend all the way. Without the musical revolution created by the Who, I doubt Zeppelin or Rush would be famous or even existant.

[Jhail83]

I agree (for the most part) with Rush_Fan on everything except vocals... I'm sorry, but Daltrey doesn't have a voice that could come anywhere near what Plant can do. I'm a die-hard Zep fan, but The Who and Rush are really close behind. I haven't heard nearly as much of Rush's or The Who's catalog as I have of Zeppelin. I know Page is better than Lifeson who's better than Townsend, although there are some pieces from each that are insane. Honestly, bass-wise, I'd call it a tie. If you really listen to the bass lines, Entwistle and Lee are the fastest, most intricate players, but Jones plays a lot more instruments and has a lot more 'talent' than the other two combined...

Geddy Lee is technically the best of the 3 though, I personally don't even think that is debatable. Plus he does play the Keys and sing, and love or hate his voice he is very good at creating music with both the bass and Keys. He isn't Keith emerson by any stretch of the imagination, but Listen to Signals synth intro and tell me that isn't just genius.

As far as plant....maybe maybe not, but I prefer Daltrey, I actually prefer Lee's vocals over the three, but don;t think I can get away with claiming he is the best singer lol, I do know his voice isn't as appealing to everyone as the other two..

Regardless I am happy to own all 3 band's catalogues.

[DethBoxx]

The only real blatant steal is Whole Lotta Love.

No way! There are LOTS of blatant steals. C'mon like I said this is common knowledge. Do I really have to post a link?

http://www.artofthemix.org/FindAMix/getcontents.asp?strMixID=89189

http://www.artofthemix.org/FindAMix/getcontents.asp?strMixID=89190

BTW those articles above are actually *defending* Led Zep but even they have
to acknowledge in a lot of cases that music was stolen. And in a lot of cases
credit has been given over the years due to legal action, which is still dubious IMO,
because they only gave credit in those cases because they were forced to. Kinda sad.

Go listen to Dazed and Confused by Jake Holmes and tell me that song wasn't ripped off.

Don't get me wrong I love Led Zeppelin's music but that doesn't change the facts.

[Julio_Strikes_Back]

No way! There are LOTS of blatant steals. C'mon like I said this is common knowledge. Do I really have to post a link?

http://www.artofthemix.org/FindAMix/getcontents.asp?strMixID=89189

http://www.artofthemix.org/FindAMix/getcontents.asp?strMixID=89190

BTW those articles above are actually *defending* Led Zep but even they have
to acknowledge in a lot of cases that music was stolen. And in a lot of cases
credit has been given over the years due to legal action, which is still dubious IMO,
because they only gave credit in those cases because they were forced to. Kinda sad.

Go listen to Dazed and Confused by Jake Holmes and tell me that song wasn't ripped off.

Don't get me wrong I love Led Zeppelin's music but that doesn't change the facts.

Yes, because no blues artist ever stole from any blues artist, ever. :cool:

[BhindBluEyes430]

Geddy Lee is technically the best of the 3 though, I personally don't even think that is debatable. Plus he does play the Keys and sing, and love or hate his voice he is very good at creating music with both the bass and Keys. He isn't Keith emerson by any stretch of the imagination, but Listen to Signals synth intro and tell me that isn't just genius.

As far as plant....maybe maybe not, but I prefer Daltrey, I actually prefer Lee's vocals over the three, but don;t think I can get away with claiming he is the best singer lol, I do know his voice isn't as appealing to everyone as the other two..

Regardless I am happy to own all 3 band's catalogues.

Well if your gonna put it like that Townshend won because look at all the songs he's written. he wrote Tommy the first rock opera. he was the first to use Synths as a Rtythm instrument. Wrote Everything from punk to progressive (sometimes in the same song) And Ws one of the first to incorperated classical music into guitar. Also he is the ultimate showman and beats anyone live exept maby moon.

Oh yea Julio at least Blues artists credit the original writers. even if it is considered a blues standard.

[Julio_Strikes_Back]

Fine. Give me 5 blue artists who were prominent before 1940 who credited the people they sampled.

[BhindBluEyes430]

Fine. Give me 5 blue artists who were prominent before 1940 who credited the people they sampled.

thats completely diffrent because most blues artists werent even signed to record companies. The music industry was nothing like it was in 1970. hell they dident find robert johnsons recordings for years. The companies would exploit these artists. watch Ray he was the first to control his own music. even then before performing a song they would say this was written by or This songs "is from a friend of mine"

[Julio_Strikes_Back]

1970? LZ1 was recorded in 68.

[Mike2112]

i would say

drums: 1)Keith moon
2)John Bonham=Neil Peart

guitar: 1) Jimmy Page
2) Alex Lifeson
3) Pete Townsend

bass: 1) Geddy Lee
2) John Paul Jones
3) Entwisle

Vocals: 1) Plant
2)Geddy Lee
3) Roger Daltrey

:D

[Mike2112]

i also have to say this is not really dabatable. u can never get a real answer cuz everything is opinionated. my favorite band is rush so im gonna say rush is the most talented with zeppelin tied with them. the who is amazing to for writing awesome rock operas.:)

[Gianthogweed]

Robert Plant was the better singer back in the old days, but he lost his high range pretty fast (by Physical Grafitti it was pretty much gone). So I'll have to go with Daltry. That being said, Geddy is probably the best singer from a technical standpoint. Always on key, always spot on, and still has a very good range. His voice is just not quite apealling to a lot of people. I would say that Maynard James Keenan from Tool and A Perfect Circle is better vocalist than all of them. As far as best vocalist of all time? This is hard to stay because all have their preferences. I always liked Peter Gabriel (Genesis and solo) because he always seems to put more emotion into his singing than any other singer I've ever heard, still he wasn't very good from a technical standpoint (although he has improved greatly). Freddy Mercury from Queen was probably the best from a technical standpoint, but he was never a favorite of mine.

As for bass, while they're all great, I think there are many other better bassists. Chris Squire from Yes, Tony Levin from King Crimson, Les Claypool from Primus and Victor Wooten from The Flecktones are some examples. But of those three I would say Geddy and Entwistle are about tied and put Jones in third. Geddy is probably slightly better from a technical standpoint again.

As for guitarists, it's pretty tough. Again, they're all great, but there are plenty of better guitarists. Trey Anastasio from Phish, Steve Howe from Yes, Steve Hackett from Genesis, Jan Akkerman from Focus, Jimi Hendrix, Frank Zappa, Knopfler, etc. all are better. But of those three I'd have to pick Jimmy Page because his style was definitely the most influential (and probably the most recognizable). Townshend is a very very close second, almost a tie, but his strength lay more in his songwriting ability rather than his guitar playing (which was still excellent). Lifeson, while very good, doesn't really hold a candle to Page or Townshend.

Finally the drums. This is the hardest choice because these are three of the best rock drummers ever. Nevertheless there are other contenders such as Bill Bruford from Yes and King Crimson, Christian Vander from Magma, Carl Palmer from ELP, Danny Cary from Tool, John Fishman from Phish, Lars Ulrich from Metallica and even Phil Collins was no slouch (don't judge his playing by his performance by his 80s/90s crap, listen to early Genesis or Brand X). That being said, Keith Moon is by far my favorite drummer of all time so I'll put him on top. Neil Peart is definitely the most technically skilled of the three (and possibly the most technically skilled rock drummer of all), but Rush, while very clinical, doesn't have the heart to match up to a lot of the other great rock bands. John Bonham was also excellent, and probably the best of the hard hitters. He was also probably the best single bass drum player (although Dave Abruzzezze from Pearl Jam may share that title).

[justinautry]

id have to go with led zeppelin they are without a doubt the greatest rock band ever


not my favorite but they are nonetheless amazing

[Gianthogweed]

Yes, Yes(the irony) was great band with their first line up, although Drama wasn't a bad album either. I agree OldFogey, they are tons of bands that are much more talented than the three in this discussion.(Although Rush is my favorite band of all time so far.)

Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman, Howe, Squire actually wasn't the original lineup. Their first keyboardist was Tony Kaye, and their first guitarist was Peter Banks. They basically were going for the cream of the crop when they formed the Fragile 5 (ABWHS), quite possibly the most talented lineup of any band ever when added together. Just listen to Yessongs live, no other band came close to them in terms of raw talent, power, and epicness live.

[Gianthogweed]

I agree about the fact that great musician aren't really influent cause what they play is too hard. First band that comes in my mind about that is Gentle Giant. They've done the best prog rock I know, it was completely new. There never was anything like that and there still aint nothing like it. And the reason is they use complex chords, weird progressions and way too many instruments for the common "guitar drums bass vocals" band.

Gentle Giant was enormously talented, but way too technical for their own good. Except for a few songs, they sounded too clinical and didn't have enough heart. Even Rush is less clinical than they were.

[Gianthogweed]

Chris Squire is too low and Flea too. Jones is WAY too high, he's not even a good bassist. Geezer Butler ain't there?! This list is not good. It's a weird list in fact.

I agree. The fact that Geddy Lee isn't even on that list makes it illigitimate to me.

[Insane3]

Gentle Giant was enormously talented, but way too technical for their own good. Except for a few songs, they sounded too clinical and didn't have enough heart. Even Rush is less clinical than they were.

I guess this is a question of feelings but I never found any of Rush's our GG's songs too clinical... It's a different way to communicate different emotions. Gentle Giant is hard to appreciate because rythms are very complex and that human naturally prefers the very simple heartbeat.
Maybe Gentle Giant on cd sounds more sterile, but watch a live show on youtube and you'll see that they can showoff too.
But I agree, they are too technical for their own good. Same thing for many prog rock bands like King Crimson and sometimes Rush, though Rush is not only prog rock, it's also hard rock/metal so it appeals more ppl.

[Jhail83]

I guess this is a question of feelings but I never found any of Rush's our GG's songs too clinical... It's a different way to communicate different emotions. Gentle Giant is hard to appreciate because rythms are very complex and that human naturally prefers the very simple heartbeat.
Maybe Gentle Giant on cd sounds more sterile, but watch a live show on youtube and you'll see that they can showoff too.
But I agree, they are too technical for their own good. Same thing for many prog rock bands like King Crimson and sometimes Rush, though Rush is not only prog rock, it's also hard rock/metal so it appeals more ppl.

You sir, Have Good Taste. :cool:

Rush, Gentle Giant, King Crimson: all great bands.

I assume you have heard of Camel, Van Der Graaf Generator, Le Orme, PFM, etc.?

[Insane3]

No lol, but I should download some. I'm still a novice. Tryin to get as much music knowledge in the most genres possible but you know... I only (really) like music since ... 3 years lol.

[DethBoxx]

1970? LZ1 was recorded in 68.



Completely irrelevant.

[Julio_Strikes_Back]

Completely irrelevant.

Yes it is.

1970 Zep = popular
1968 Zep = kids who didn't know they'd get popular

[Nydhog]

For Drums: Bonham >peart> moon. Fact.
Guitar: Sadly, Paige>the others
Bass: Geddi Lee > the others
Vocals: Plant>Geddi>annoying whiney guy who everyone pretends they like.

I love zepplin, i love rush, i hate The Who. They are overated. But fact is, Bonham is a phenomanal drummer. Pearts close. Paige is better then the other 2. Geddi is an amazing bassist, the others arent. Plant is a better singer by alot.

[Jhail83]

No lol, but I should download some. I'm still a novice. Tryin to get as much music knowledge in the most genres possible but you know... I only (really) like music since ... 3 years lol.

Yes! Also don't overlook early Genesis (Especially Selling England by the pound and Foxtrot.), Emerson Lake and Palmer (Emerson Lake and Palmer, Tarkus, Trilogy , and Brain Salad surgery are their good ones. Also Pictures at an exhibition is a nice live album, especially since it is a loose interpretation of Mussorgsky’s classical piece of the same name, and none of the tracks are on a studio album.), or Yes (Close to the edge and fragile are great places to start...or even The Yes Album)

As for Camel, I'd start with Mirage or Moonmadness. Vander graaf Generator's good starting points would be GodBluff or Pawn Hearts(which has Robert Fripp guest on guitar!, so does "H to He, Who am the Only One")

And you really can't go wrong with anything by Le Orme or PREMIATA FORNERIA MARCONI. Although they are both Italian, so don;t expect to understand what they are singing without learning italian! =) Still great music though.

[BhindBluEyes430]

Yes it is.

1970 Zep = popular
1968 Zep = kids who didn't know they'd get popular

even so what about Led zep II the lemon song (one of my favorite led zep songs) was just the lyrics were the same as killing floor by Howlin' Wolf.

the drums on Rock and roll was ripped off from "Something Else" by Eddie Cochran ive listend to it its exactly the same. those were recorded after 1970it dosen't matter two years diffrence anyway

[blenderbuss]

For Drums: Bonham >peart> moon. Fact.
Guitar: Sadly, Paige>the others
Bass: Geddi Lee > the others
Vocals: Plant>Geddi>annoying whiney guy who everyone pretends they like.

I love zepplin, i love rush, i hate The Who. They are overated. But fact is, Bonham is a phenomanal drummer. Pearts close. Paige is better then the other 2. Geddi is an amazing bassist, the others arent. Plant is a better singer by alot.


LAWL!

This might be the most objective post i have ever seen in my life!

[ibcody]

I love all three of these bands, with a slight edge going to the Who. But I would actually say that collectively Dream Theater is a more talented band than any of these three, and I don't even really like Dream Theater all that much.

[Quadraphonic]

Yeah, Dream Theater has good performers but their songwriting is lame. I dont care about stringing together scales into solos or changing the tonic in a song. Music simply comes down to how epic of a melody and harmony you can put forth. Which is why Rush, The Who and Led Zeppelin are here. What about Yes though, I think the should be part of this. Steve Howe blows the 3 of them out of the water, and Yes also has a good Bassist and Keyboardist, and the drummer is far from lame.

[nickateen666]

well, i have nothing against rush it is probably the fact that i hav to listen to them so much , it makes me mad, led zeppelin are clearly the best, then the who (although i didnt enjoy quadraphenia heaps) then rush

[CheezerRox]

I say Led Zeppelin, because they were the most diverse, and in my opinion, the most talented.

And to the OP's ratings, I'd put it somewhere similar, like this.

Rob > Roger > Geddy
Jimmy > Pete > Alex
Geddy > John Paul > John
Bonzo > Keith > Neil

[JukeBoxHero]

well, i have nothing against rush it is probably the fact that i hav to listen to them so much , it makes me mad, led zeppelin are clearly the best, then the who (although i didnt enjoy quadraphenia heaps) then rush

Why did you revive a thread from February? :confused:
Edit:Why do I have a problem with editing? :D

[Rockbandfan23467]

I don't know *slimed*.

[franticfish]

How can you compare?
The Who win by miles. Sure Rush are all techinally profeciant but their just a prog rock band. Led Zeppelin were influential as pioneers of Metal but all they really did was rehash old blues music and not give them credit, once again they're just a hard rock band that went through a folky period. The Who came out as a power pop band, pioneered the use of volume and feedback as early as 64. They then created the rock opera in 69 with Tommy, a quantum leap in creavity when you think 10 years ago nearly every band were just covering other hits. After Tommy they showed they were still a hard rock band at heart releasing Live At Leeds, one of the greatest live albums of all time. In 71 they pioneered the use of synths and came up with some of the greatest rock anthems ever (Baba o Riley, WGFA) excluding Quadrophenia it was a slow downfall, but theirs no way either Led Zep or Rush could do what was mentioned above.

Geddy Lee>Plant>Daltrey
Page>Townsend>Lifeson
Entwistle>Geddy Lee>JPJ (This one was very hard to decide)
Moon>Peart>Bonham

[instantdeath999]

Moon is my favorite drummer of the three. He's not as technical as the other two, but the only one of the three who basically invented their own style that no one can replicate.

Jimmy Page is probably the most iconic riff maker of the three. Alex Lifeston is by far the best at soloing.

I've never liked Plant live, and Geddy is just too unorthodox to be considered the best. My favorite is Daltrey.

John Entwistle is also my favorite bassist, though Geddy has some awesome bass lines when he isn't singing. Jones is no slouch, either. I love his bass in The Song Remains the Same.

So, I guess that would make the Who my favorite.

[Julio_Strikes_Back]

I have to say, if any of these bands are as good as their prime, it would be Rush. They can still play as good as they could decades ago. And THAT's talent.

[franticfish]

I have to say, if any of these bands are as good as their prime, it would be Rush. They can still play as good as they could decades ago. And THAT's talent.

Rush havent had to cope with major alcohol/drug abuse or the death of a band member plus their younger.

I know its only imposible to tell but I bet with Bonzo, Keith and John Entwistle hadnt had alcohol/drug problems they'd probally still be alive today and defintly still kicking ass.

[Julio_Strikes_Back]

Rush havent had to cope with major alcohol/drug abuse or the death of a band member plus their younger.

I know its only imposible to tell but I bet with Bonzo, Keith and John Entwistle hadnt had alcohol/drug problems they'd probally still be alive today and defintly still kicking ass.

That's because Rush cared more about the music than the rock n roll lifestyle. They're not much younger anyway.

[GNRrockslife]

Totally unlinear comparison. 3 completely different styles. Rush excel at technicality, The Who excel at songwriting, and Zep is both combined, but with a lot less of both bands' magic. On a member to member comparison as per the OP:

Roger Daltrey>Geddy Lee>Robert Plant
Alex Lifeson>Jimmy Page=Pete Townshend
Geddy Lee>John Entwhistle>John Paul Jones
Niel Peart=Keith Moon>John Bonham

My personal favorite is Rush. They have extreme musicianship, and put out a high rate of quality music. The Who is second for me, more or less because some of their stuff is throw-away. But Pete is the best songwriter out of the 3 bands.

[thedoorsdk]

Daltrey > Plant > Lee
Lifeson > Townshend > Page
Lee > Entwistle > Jones
Peart > Moon > Bonham

The only one that's really close is bass, I could easily swap out Geddy for Entwistle depending on my mood. But as is, though Entwistle was more revolutionary, Geddy's technique is much more evolved than his, and he's a much more well-rounded player.

Also anyone who thinks Page or Townshend is better than Alex Lifeson is out of their miiiind. Jimmy Page is the most overrated rock guitar player of all time, in my opinion.
And yes I know Page is Lifeson's favorite guitar player, but that's irrelevant.

[Stones_Clash]

Daltrey>Plant>Lee
Townshend>Lifeson>Page
Entwistle>Lee>Jones
Moon>Peart>Bonham

in terms of memorable riffs and guitar playing in general, page is probably better than either lifeson or townshend, but i prefer townshend overall.

[instantdeath999]

Daltrey > Plant > Lee
Lifeson > Townshend > Page
Lee > Entwistle > Jones
Peart > Moon > Bonham

The only one that's really close is bass, I could easily swap out Geddy for Entwistle depending on my mood. But as is, though Entwistle was more revolutionary, Geddy's technique is much more evolved than his, and he's a much more well-rounded player.

Also anyone who thinks Page or Townshend is better than Alex Lifeson is out of their miiiind. Jimmy Page is the most overrated rock guitar player of all time, in my opinion.
And yes I know Page is Lifeson's favorite guitar player, but that's irrelevant.

Page, in my opinion, has incredibly sloppy solo's, but is very good at coming up with riffs. I still prefer Lifeston, though.

[SteelersFreak1]

Vocals: Robert > Roger > Geddy
Guitar: Jimmy > Alex = Pete
Bass: Geddy = John > JPJ
Drums: Neil = Bonham = Moon
Keyboards: JPJ > Geddy > Pete

By my calculations (1 point for first, 2 for second, etc.), Led Zeppelin is the most talented band out of the three with 7 points. Rush and The Who tied for second with 9 points.

Although if I had to judge on my own opinion I'd go with Rush barely edging out Led Zeppelin who barely edges out The Who.

[John_S]

For me, in order:
1. Zeppelin
2. Rush
3. The Who

However, this was really hard to decide on, all 3 are amazing.

[Brian_Storm]

Vocals: Roger>Robert>Geddy
Guitar: Jimmy>Alex>Pete
Bass: John E.>Geddy>John PJ
Drums: Keith>Neil>John (Neil is more technical but he doesnt have the musical quality or energy that Keith has)
Lyrics: The who (Pete) > Zeppelin > Rush (awful...who writes a song about ****ing trees?)
Composition: The Who>Rush=Zeppelin...Rush is very talented but a little too progressive and zeppelin has the right sound but lacks in some areas...this is a much harder comparison....The Who is #1 because of Tommy and Quadrophenia and sheer scope of their influence (punk, rock, new wave, progressive, volume etc.)
Live: The Who>Rush....seen both live...twice...and the who is the best band i have EVER seen live. their songs still have the power and energy now as they did in their glory days. Rush was awesome but have a lot of boring songs too....haven;t seen zeppelin live or the DVD's so i cant really say but i feel they would be better than rush.

[thedoorsdk]

Whoa whoa whoa...Neil lacks the musical quality that Keith has?
I think my head just exploded.
In my opinion (obv), Neil does a LOT more for the song than Keith does on any given track.

[WhiffleBallTony]

Dream Theater.

[Gatorguy91]

IMO its

John > Geddy > John Paul
Peart > Moon > Bonham
Page > Townshend > Lifeson
Plant > Lee > Daltrey

[franticfish]

Whoa whoa whoa...Neil lacks the musical quality that Keith has?
I think my head just exploded.
In my opinion (obv), Neil does a LOT more for the song than Keith does on any given track.

Not really...
Take for example the first Rush album with no Peart, they still were amazing without Peart. But then look at The Who's album after Keith died. The whole sound/style completly changed. Without Keith, Pete couldnt play off him live, there wasnt that intuition. Peart was just someone playing odd time signatures in a well like band on the rockband forums, he was'nt REVOLUTIONARY like Keith Moon or even John Bonham. Keith Moon personalized the drums something Peart did not do, Moon showed his emotions through his drumming, something Peart never did.

All said and done Peart is amazing, but noway does he offer more to a song than Keith did for The Who.

[thedoorsdk]

Not really...
Take for example the first Rush album with no Peart, they still were amazing without Peart. But then look at The Who's album after Keith died. The whole sound/style completly changed. Without Keith, Pete couldnt play off him live, there wasnt that intuition. Peart was just someone playing odd time signatures in a well like band on the rockband forums, he was'nt REVOLUTIONARY like Keith Moon or even John Bonham. Keith Moon personalized the drums something Peart did not do, Moon showed his emotions through his drumming, something Peart never did.

All said and done Peart is amazing, but noway does he offer more to a song than Keith did for The Who.

I've already had this discussion with someone on here, and it seems like people forget that there is a huge difference between shaping the band's sound and composing drum parts in a manner that fits the mood and style of a particular song.

I'm not saying Keith didn't shape the Who's sound, because he definitely did, but he never really composed drum parts. He sat down and played what felt right, which is fine and often appropriate, but it wasn't as carefully crafted as Peart's drum parts are. This is why many of Moon's drumbeats are quite similar across several songs and albums. Peart, on the other hand, was constantly adapting his style and composing drum parts that served the actual song.

Most people who pass judgment on Peart, fans and non-fans alike, are generally the type of people who are not familiar with a majority of their catalog.

And, by the way, anyone who says there isn't a huge difference between Rutsey-era Rush and Peart-era Rush is out of their damn mind.

[Brian_Storm]

Whoa whoa whoa...Neil lacks the musical quality that Keith has?
I think my head just exploded.
In my opinion (obv), Neil does a LOT more for the song than Keith does on any given track.

sorry. misunderstanding....keith is more melodic in his drumming. thats what i meant by musical. HKeith uses his drums as an 'musical' instrument rather than rhythmic. Neil is much more technical and precise with his drumming.

[franticfish]

[QUOTE=thedoorsdk;
And, by the way, anyone who says there isn't a huge difference between Rutsey-era Rush and Peart-era Rush is out of their damn mind.[/QUOTE]
Just incase that was aimed at me, I never said there wasnt a huge differance, I just there first album was solid without Peart.
Plus how can Keith rehash the same beats, trust if there's one thing about Keith he didnt do that. No drum parts sound similar, I can assure you if you listen to a Who song from who's next then listen to the same song live the fills/rolls will only bear the slighest resemblence.

But seriously its just down to opinion but I just like spontaenous (spl?) drumming and in Peart theres none of that.

[Quinarvy]

I probably posted in this awhile ago, but I'm redoing it.

Vocals: Daltrey > Geddy > Plant: Daltrey is a superb singer, look no farther then Love Reign O'er Me for that. The fact that Geddy can concentrate to sing is awesome, but he isn't a bad singer at all. Plant is good...though his voice gets a bit old.

Guitar: Page > Lifeson > Townshend: Page is the best riff writer, and a good soloist, while Lifeson is behind in riffs, and a close second in solos. Townshend is well, lets just is good, just not as good as Page or Lifeson.

Bass: Geddy > Entwhistle > Jones: Geddy is the best here, without question. All his basslines are prominent songs and Rush instrumentals have some great basswork. Enthwhistle has a powerful playing style that is good, but there are instances where it dissappears. Jones has a handful of songs that stick out for him.

Drums: Neil > Moon > Bonham: Neil Peart is the most technically proficent, but still musical drummer of the three. Look no farther than the R30 Drum Solo for musicianship. Moon has an uncanny knack to play seemingly random crap, but it is still very good and musical. Bonham's drumming is powerful, technical, and musical, but he falls barely in to third. Not a dull one in the group though, unlike the other categories.

Keyboards: Jones > Lee > Townshend: Jones can play some great keyboard parts that are prominent (Carouselambra) but his basswork on send songs suffers. Lee's aren't always needed, but come through when needed, while being good and not harming his other parts. And I never really liked the repetitiveness and tone of Townshends parts, but they are still fairly good.

[jpjohnso71]

dont forget dream theater id put them in the top3 or 4. sit down and listen to them and youll understand what im talking about

[classicrockdude]

Plant>Daltrey>Lee. Lee's got nothing compared to Daltrey or Plant. But, Daltrey is a better Live singer then plant. But i think Plant overall has a better voice.


Page>Townshend>Lifeson. Guitar is kinda tricky, but, Page is da best guitarist ever!!!!( my opinion) I think that Townshend's songwriting skills and he a great live performer. I like Lifeson, but he is not as fast as Page or as wild onstage as Townshend.


Moon>Bonham>Peart. Can i say Moon is the best drummer ever?? Because he is. Like Franticfish said, The Who were not the Who without Moon. Same with Bonham. Zeppelin was not Zeppelin without Bonham. Peart is great, but he is not very emotional drumming.

Entwhistle>JPJ>Lee. Entwhistle is the best bassist ever. That is a fact. JPJ is great, but there are some songs where he dissapears. Lee is fine but not as good as the other two.

BEST BANDS.

The Who>Led Zeppelin>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Rush

[willdabeast21]

Vocals - Plant>Daltrey>Lee
Guitar - Page>Townshend>Lifeson
Bass - Lee>Entwhistle>Jones
Drums - Moon>Peart>Bonham

[UneasyMonkey]

Vocals: Robert Plant (one of the best) > Roger Daltrey > Geddy Lee (Daltrey is a better live singer, but Plant has always been good in the studio. Daltrey didn't get really good until Tommy)
Guitar: Jimmy Page (one of THE BEST EVER) > Pete Townshend (absolutely amazing live) > Alex Lifeson
Bas: John Entwistle (THE BEST OF ALL TIME imho) > Geddy Lee > John Paul Jones
Drums: Keith Moon (one of the best, if not THE best) > John Bonham > Neil Peart (drummers were the hardest to pick. I still can't really decide between Bonzo and Peart...both are amazing)
Keyboards: John Paul Jones > Geddy Lee > Pete Townshend
Songwriting: The Who/Pete Townshend > Led Zeppelin/Page, Plant, and Jones > Rush/Neil Peart
Overall: Led Zeppelin > The Who > Rush

Led Zeppelin has the best singer and guitarist out of the three, and the other two members are also AMAZING. The Who's singer and guitarist are very good, but not AMAZING. Rush has one of the best drummers and bassists of all time, but their guitarist is not AMAZING. I'd say Cream would be another tough one to decide. Their rhythm section is better than Zeppelin's, but not as good as The Who's. Their singer and guitarist are both better than The Who's, but Robert Plant is still the best singer here.

[franticfish]

Vocals: Robert Plant (one of the best) > Roger Daltrey > Geddy Lee (Daltrey is a better live singer, but Plant has always been good in the studio. Daltrey didn't get really good until Tommy)
Guitar: Jimmy Page (one of THE BEST EVER) > Pete Townshend (absolutely amazing live) > Alex Lifeson
Bas: John Entwistle (THE BEST OF ALL TIME imho) > Geddy Lee > John Paul Jones
Drums: Keith Moon (one of the best, if not THE best) > John Bonham > Neil Peart (drummers were the hardest to pick. I still can't really decide between Bonzo and Peart...both are amazing)
Keyboards: John Paul Jones > Geddy Lee > Pete Townshend
Songwriting: The Who/Pete Townshend > Led Zeppelin/Page, Plant, and Jones > Rush/Neil Peart
Overall: Led Zeppelin > The Who > Rush

Led Zeppelin has the best singer and guitarist out of the three, and the other two members are also AMAZING. The Who's singer and guitarist are very good, but not AMAZING. Rush has one of the best drummers and bassists of all time, but their guitarist is not AMAZING. I'd say Cream would be another tough one to decide. Their rhythm section is better than Zeppelin's, but not as good as The Who's. Their singer and guitarist are both better than The Who's, but Robert Plant is still the best singer here.In my opinion Daltrey>>Plant. I hate Plant's stupid ad-libs, screaming "Ohh Mama" or "Hey Sweet Sugar Mama" during instrumental sections and live he was never as consistent at Daltrey, just my 2 cents. I also find Page incredibly boring but he is better than Townsend but I like Lifeson the most.

[timmay9]

Daltrey>Any other white male vocalist

Listen to Love Reign O'er Me and then slap yourself in the face.

[timmay9]

Whoa, merch-tabler necro'd.

[UneasyMonkey]

Daltrey>Any other white male vocalist

Listen to Love Reign O'er Me and then slap yourself in the face.

That's his best work. Plant has better work as far as studio recordings go. And Jack Bruce has a better voice and a nice falsetto. Steve Winwood = best white male vocalist that sounds like a black guy

[Zidane]

Daltrey>Any other white male vocalist

Listen to Love Reign O'er Me and then slap yourself in the face.

I would have to disagree, but he is definitely the best of the group of these three. Plant's orgasm vocals take a lot away from the music in my opinion.

[zeldazeppelin]

I say The who then Rush then Zeppelin.

1. I hate plant and Geddy's voice
2. I dont like zeppelin
3, I like the who more then rush.
4. Freddie has the best voice Sting/Toshi imo.

[classicrockdude]

how can you even compare Rush to Zeppelin and The Who.

The Who>Zeppelin>all other bands

[zeldazeppelin]

how can you even compare Rush to Zeppelin and The Who.

The Who>Zeppelin>all other bands

Power metal> All other genres

[UneasyMonkey]

how can you even compare Rush to Zeppelin and The Who.

The Who>Zeppelin>all other bands

Correction: The Beatles > The Who > Led Zeppelin > all other bands

[zeldazeppelin]

Correction: The Beatles > The Who > Led Zeppelin > all other bands

lol no if that is true then X-japan>>>> All other bands > the Beatles

[Julio_Strikes_Back]

lol no if that is true then X-japan>>>> All other bands > the Beatles


Hahahahaha.

[UneasyMonkey]

lol no if that is true then X-japan>>>> All other bands > the Beatles

Wow, that doesn't even make sense because The Beatles are part of All other bands. And X-Japan sucks anyways

[classicrockdude]

Correction: The Beatles > The Who > Led Zeppelin > all other bands

that works to:D

[UneasyMonkey]

that works to:D

Awesome. I'm glad you agree. You are the coolest person on these forums :D

[classicrockdude]

Awesome. I'm glad you agree. You are the coolest person on these forums :D

:o. That means a lot to me

[Julio_Strikes_Back]

This is a beautiful moment.

[classicrockdude]

This is a beautiful moment.

it just touches my heart...

[UneasyMonkey]

This is a beautiful moment.

Lmao :D

[JukeBoxHero]

Correction: The Beatles > The Who > Led Zeppelin > all other bands

Can't be anymore wrong....

Rush>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(Did I say I was a Rush fanboy)>>>>>>Yes>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Belly>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Other bands

[johndillinger1932]

It has to be Rush, here's why....Jimmy Page wrote all of Zepplins music, so as a band they had no creativity, they would just play what jimmy wrote. same with The Who, Townsend wrote majority of the music....All 3 members of Rush wrote..making them an actual band as opposed to a songwriter and his traveling musicians (zepplin and the who) dont get me wrong, the who and zepplin have some wicked tunes, but as far as a band is concerned Rush wins that one.

[classicrockdude]

it has to be rush, here's why....jimmy page wrote all of zepplins music, so as a band they had no creativity, they would just play what jimmy wrote. Same with the who, townsend wrote majority of the music....all 3 members of rush wrote..making them an actual band as opposed to a songwriter and his traveling musicians (zepplin and the who) dont get me wrong, the who and zepplin have some wicked tunes, but as far as a band is concerned rush wins that one.

fail

[neckermanncj]

neither of them

[Zeleii]

I'd say The Who overall Pete Townsend was a great guitarist for his time and could play well, IF NOT better live.

John Entwistle IMO is still one of the best bassists to every grace rock music barre none. Roger is a fantastic vocalist granted he may not have a Plant range but his range and tone is much better than that of Geddy's. Not to mention Keith Moon, sloppy technical but it fit the music, his drumming was part of what made The Who, The Who.

BTW Just because Pete wrote most of the music makes them not as a good as RUSH IMO, Pete is a better writer than all of RUSH put together.
(Rush is my favorite band mind you)

[UneasyMonkey]

I'd say The Who overall Pete Townsend was a great guitarist for his time and could play well, IF NOT better live.

John Entwistle IMO is still one of the best bassists to every grace rock music barre none. Roger is a fantastic vocalist granted he may not have a Plant range but his range and tone is much better than that of Geddy's. Not to mention Keith Moon, sloppy technical but it fit the music, his drumming was part of what made The Who, The Who.

BTW Just because Pete wrote most of the music makes them not as a good as RUSH IMO, Pete is a better writer than all of RUSH put together.
(Rush is my favorite band mind you)

I agree on every single thing mentioned in that post, except that Rush isn't my favorite band.

And to that guy up there, Jimmy Page didn't write ALL the music and neither did Pete Townshend. Townshend wrote the majority of it, but there have been contributions by all four band members, even Daltrey! Their second album, A Quick One, required all of the members to write at least two songs each--though Daltrey only wrote one. The next big contributor was Entwistle.

And classicrockdude, just saw that you have Blind Faith in your sig. OMG that would be awesome, but if they did it, I guarantee you that they would edit down Do What You Like like they did My Generation (Live at Leeds) :(

[WhiffleBallTony]

It has to be Rush, here's why....Jimmy Page wrote all of Zepplins music, so as a band they had no creativity, they would just play what jimmy wrote. same with The Who, Townsend wrote majority of the music....All 3 members of Rush wrote..making them an actual band as opposed to a songwriter and his traveling musicians (zepplin and the who) dont get me wrong, the who and zepplin have some wicked tunes, but as far as a band is concerned Rush wins that one.

I'll give you The Who (although occasionally Entwistle would write some stuff) but Plant, Jones, and Bonham all contributed to writing music for Zep. Page was just the driving force.

[MovieFreak921]

It has to be Rush, here's why....Jimmy Page wrote all of Zepplins music, so as a band they had no creativity, they would just play what jimmy wrote. same with The Who, Townsend wrote majority of the music....All 3 members of Rush wrote..making them an actual band as opposed to a songwriter and his traveling musicians (zepplin and the who) dont get me wrong, the who and zepplin have some wicked tunes, but as far as a band is concerned Rush wins that one.

Peart is the bands primary songwriter, just like Townshend is for The Who. Lee and Lifeson do not contribute all that often, just like Entwistle, Daltrey, and Moon. The only time Lee and Lifeson did the song writing was when they were making their first album, and that's only because they didn't have Neil.

In my opinion, it's The Who by a mile.

[classicrockdude]

And classicrockdude, just saw that you have Blind Faith in your sig. OMG that would be awesome, but if they did it, I guarantee you that they would edit down Do What You Like like they did My Generation (Live at Leeds) :(

http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133863.

By the way, i love the Layla avatar

[zeldazeppelin]

Wow, that doesn't even make sense because The Beatles are part of All other bands. And X-Japan sucks anyways

Sorry about your poor musical taste and not being able to tell I was joking.

[JukeBoxHero]

Peart is the bands primary songwriter, just like Townshend is for The Who. Lee and Lifeson do not contribute all that often, just like Entwistle, Daltrey, and Moon. The only time Lee and Lifeson did the song writing was when they were making their first album, and that's only because they didn't have Neil.

In my opinion, it's The Who by a mile.

Not true, off the top my head.

Geddy:Tears(2112), Cinderella Man(A Farewell to Kings),

Alex Lifeson:Lessons(2112)

And they all did some joint writing on Chemistry(ok lyric wise, pretty cheesy but they all wrote it).

I agree, Neil is definitely the main lyricist , I'm just bringing up some examples after the first album where Lee and Lifeson contributed something to their albums lyrically besides Neil.

[7yl3ris1337]

best drummer: Keith Moon
Best guitarist: Jimmy Page
Best singer: Robert Plant
Best bass: not sure, I'll say Geddy Lee

Zeppelin is the most talented (or was).

[pokerguy94]

Well Led Zeppelin is my favorite band so...
Led Zeppelin > The Who > Rush
They're all great bands though

[MovieFreak921]

Best bass: not sure, I'll say Geddy Lee


Wrong:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVl39LBZGMw

[johndillinger1932]

I'd say The Who overall Pete Townsend was a great guitarist for his time and could play well, IF NOT better live.

John Entwistle IMO is still one of the best bassists to every grace rock music barre none. Roger is a fantastic vocalist granted he may not have a Plant range but his range and tone is much better than that of Geddy's. Not to mention Keith Moon, sloppy technical but it fit the music, his drumming was part of what made The Who, The Who.

BTW Just because Pete wrote most of the music makes them not as a good as RUSH IMO, Pete is a better writer than all of RUSH put together.
(Rush is my favorite band mind you)
no you missed my point. it was a best band poll right?n not best musician. i happen to enjoy all three of those bands music, but Rush is the only one of the three that actually writes as a band.

[johndillinger1932]

Peart is the bands primary songwriter, just like Townshend is for The Who. Lee and Lifeson do not contribute all that often, just like Entwistle, Daltrey, and Moon. The only time Lee and Lifeson did the song writing was when they were making their first album, and that's only because they didn't have Neil.

In my opinion, it's The Who by a mile.
peart would compose his drum parts and the majority of the vocals, bass and guitar are composed by lee and lifson

[UneasyMonkey]

http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133863.

By the way, i love the Layla avatar

Lol thanks, but it's Cream-era Clapton now :D


Wrong:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVl39LBZGMw

Yes, best bassist ever. He was old and he could still kick so much ass

[classicrockdude]

UM, the Hendrix avatar is also awesome.

[JukeBoxHero]

Lol thanks, but it's Cream-era Clapton now :D



Yes, best bassist ever. He was old and he could still kick so much ass

5:15 is a great song to show Entwistle's skill, but I always thought The Real Me and Sister are great examples, sometimes better than 5:15.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cnd63Yll8YA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dlN55SoF4Q

[Fizzeler]

If we are just comparing based on skills

Drummer: Keith Moon
Guitarist: Jimmy Page
Vocalist: Roger Daltrey
Bassist: John Entwistle/Geddy Lee (would say a tie here)
Songwriting: Rush
Name: The Who :D
Overall: The Who

[classicrockdude]

Name: The Who :D


Led Zeppelin is a cooler name

[Fizzeler]

Led Zeppelin is a cooler name

In my eyes the best name is Van Der Graff Generator

[l-o-t]

I think I may have to give this one to The Who. I think they epitomize Rock n' Roll very well. Four Piece band, super amounts of energy on stage, Rock star antics off stage And the Songs! Oh, the songs, they'd melt your face right off. Tommy is a modern masterpiece.

That's not to say Zeppelin or Rush can't melt faces. In the traditional sense of the term, Zeppelin is probably the greatest bunch of Facemelters out there. The Who have the best songs overall, in my opinion. They had the most consistent career(to be fair, I don't know too much about Rush's career. just their songs.) right up until Keith died. And even then they kept going, unlike Zeppelin who just up and quit.

Oh. I now realize that this is the most Talented band. Not Best. Well, I've wasted my time.

Uh...
Bass: Entwhistle>Lee>Jones
Drums: Peart>Moon>Bonham
Guitar: Three way tie. Lifeson may have the most technical proficancy but I much perfer Page and Townsend's style of playing.
Vocal: Plant>Daltrey>Lee

[ROCKBANDFANATIC7526]

Guitar: Page Townsend Lifeson
Drums: Bonham Moon Peart
Bass: Lee Entwhistle Jones
Vocals: Plant Daltrey Lee

Overall Zeppelin has the most talented members IMO, The Who are a very close second, and Rush is a extremely talented power trio, but they don't compare with these Giants

[supernova1324]

Where's the love for Jon Paul Jones? He's the most underrated member of Led Zeppelin and possibly one of the most talented. He also one of the most versatile styles out of the other candidates.

[Julio_Strikes_Back]

Where's the love for Jon Paul Jones? He's the most underrated member of Led Zeppelin and possibly one of the most talented. He also one of the most versatile styles out of the other candidates.

Jones is a better keyboardist than bassist imo.

[Runesmith]

In terms of my own preferences, and not technical ability/talent/etc., these are the musicians I prefer for each instrument:

Singing: Daltrey > Lee > Plant
Guitar: Townshend > Lifeson > Page
Bass: Entwistle > Jones > Lee
Drums: Moon > Peart > Bonham
Songwriting: Townshend > Peart >>>> Plant/Page

It's a clean sweep for The Who.

[JukeBoxHero]

Where's the love for Jon Paul Jones? He's the most underrated member of Led Zeppelin and possibly one of the most talented. He also one of the most versatile styles out of the other candidates.

Exactly, his rhythms and melodies are wonderful.

[UneasyMonkey]

5:15 is a great song to show Entwistle's skill, but I always thought The Real Me and Sister are great examples, sometimes better than 5:15.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cnd63Yll8YA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dlN55SoF4Q

Yeah I know. The Real Me is one of his best bass performances. But that video isn't that much of 5:15. Don't just read the description and not even watch the video. It's a freakin 5-minute long bass solo.

[UneasyMonkey]

UM, the Hendrix avatar is also awesome.

You do know that Hendrix is black, right? The guy (Eric Clapton) in the pic also has a fro, but he's white...And Jimi plays left handed anyways

[classicrockdude]

You do know that Hendrix is black, right? The guy (Eric Clapton) in the pic also has a fro, but he's white...And Jimi plays left handed anyways

oops, the avatar is in Black and white, and the afro...

[Insane3]

In my eyes the best name is Van Der Graff Generator

Van Der Graff is a cool name but I prefer Siouxsie and the Banshees and Fine Young Cannibals.

[StreamOfNath]

Dream Theater.

[Boston Rocker]

Led Zepp>The Who>Rush

[LegendofRock3021]

Led Zepp>The Who>Rush

This

[JasUchiha]

Dream Theater.

Dream Theater hands down

[ROCKBANDFANATIC7526]

dream theater hands down


dream theater.

how bout noooooooooooooo

[classicrockdude]

Dream Theater hands down

lolol!!!!! no

[ROCKBANDFANATIC7526]

lolol!!!!! no

Hell Yea I LOVE YOU LOL Get Dream Theater The Hell Away

[Zeleii]

Dream Theater.
Portnoy is incredibly overrated
Petrucci loves some studio magic
Myung (Best member IMO)
Rudess, Kalmah's KEyboard and Galneryus/Alhambra is better too
LaBrei very weak vocalist compared to a lot of others...

DT is actually pretty meh compared to some Technical Death Metal bands

[Rockbandfan23467]

Portnoy is incredibly overrated
Petrucci loves some studio magic
Myung (Best member IMO)
Rudess, Kalmah's KEyboard and Galneryus/Alhambra is better too
LaBrei very weak vocalist compared to a lot of others...

DT is actually pretty meh compared to some Japanese bands

Fixed for you.

[Zeleii]

Fixed for you.
Ya know what...

Kalmah is Finnish thank you!

[Fizzeler]

DT is actually pretty meh compared to some Technical Death Metal bands

Atheist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dream Theater

Also, Zappa >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All Other listed bands

[zeldazeppelin]

Sorry DT is very meh compared to most of the music I listen to. I don't even consider them to be any where as good as some say.

[Runesmith]

Dream Theater's songwriting ability is somewhat underwhelming to me, especially in comparison to The Who.

[Zeleii]

Sorry DT is very meh compared to most of the music I listen to. I don't even consider them to be any where as good as some say.
Want me to be 100% honest. As instrumentalists Dream Theater beats out a good deal of bands, they are talented yes. To be even more honest, outside of Atheist and Alhambra I don't listen to many bands more talented than them as instrumentalists.

BUT as Musicians, Dream Theater blows.... and they blow hard.

[UneasyMonkey]

Atheist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dream Theater

Also, Zappa >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All Other listed bands

The Beatles > Zappa

[Zeleii]

The Beatles > Zappa
Lies

[UneasyMonkey]

Lies

The Beatles > lying

[Zeleii]

The Beatles > lying
Lies > The Beatles

[UneasyMonkey]

Lies > The Beatles

The Beatles > Japan

OOOOOOOOOOOOOHH!!!!!!!!!!!! BURN!

[Zeleii]

The Beatles > Japan

OOOOOOOOOOOOOHH!!!!!!!!!!!! BURN!
Maybe.... only when it comes to influence :P

HERESY
Mastodon > The Beatles

[Insane3]

Maybe.... only when it comes to influence :P

HERESY
Mastodon > The Beatles

= > >

[My name is Fez]

THIS IS FOR PLAYING INSTRUMENTS.

I say:
Robert > Roger > Geddy
Jimmy > Pete > Alex
John E. > Geddy > JPJ
Neal > John > Keith.

I'm not going to bother reading through this entire thread, but I figured I'd interject on my opinion.

In terms of technical ability:
Robert > Roger > Geddy
Alex > Jimmy > Pete
Geddy > John E. > JPJ
Neil > John > Keith

In terms of how much I enjoy their musicianship:
Robert > Roger > Geddy
Jimmy > Alex > Pete
John E. > Geddy > JPJ
Keith > John > Neil

I'd say Rush is probably the most technical of the group, and most likely my favorite (followed closely by Zeppelin), even though they don't have a single spot at the top in my listings O_o

[hatemecauseuaintmoi]

The Who>Led Zeppelin> Rush

I love Zep and Who, but I personally think The Who is just a better band over all...

Bass: John Entwistle totally revolutionized the way bass was played, he took lead and stood out... Don't believe me? Listen to "The Real Me" on Quadrophenia, or any song off that album for that matter.

Drums: MOON. Bonham is great and Peart is technically the best, but Moon was just so original and an animal on the kit, plus he didn't even let his talent develop, so for how young he was, he played like a master.

Guitar: Page wins here... only because Pete Townshend was a rhythm guitarist and guitar was a big aspect and part of Led Zeppelin, Alex Lifeson is good but he lacks soul. Pete Townshend, however wrote amazing lyrics and blows all these bands out of water and into another galaxy.

LYRICS: a point many people dismissed, The Who will easily win this one. Zeppelin's lyrics were just sort of... lame. They seemed to be more of a filler to me, not all but many. Still <3 them though. Rush, wow... Neil Peart is a good drummer not a good lyricist. Pete Townshend, well no argument is needed here, this man was a genius when it came to song writing, he knew where he was coming from and never showed a pompous attitude.

Vocals: Roger. Plant is great, but in the studio his voice was always over dubbed which sounded way better then it did live and no one can deny his "girl" whines and "ooh baby baby!!!", Roger just had that stregnth, that power... I love it!

:p

[My name is Fez]

Reading through the last page of this thread again:

I'm sick of arguing about Dream Theater

GD.

[JukeBoxHero]

I'm not going to bother reading through this entire thread, but I figured I'd interject on my opinion.

In terms of technical ability:
Robert > Roger > Geddy
Alex > Jimmy > Pete
Geddy > John E. > JPJ
Neil > John > Keith

In terms of how much I enjoy their musicianship:
Robert > Roger > Geddy
Jimmy > Alex > Pete
John E. > Geddy > JPJ
Keith > John > Neil

I'd say Rush is probably the most technical of the group, and most likely my favorite (followed closely by Zeppelin), even though they don't have a single spot at the top in my listings O_o

Geddy Lee is a great bassist to me, and he got excellent chops but...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kz3gpKCjRTM

Listen to that fill at the 50 second mark, I don't think Geddy has pull off anything that fast and precise.

[Pizawle]

Led Zeppelin > Rush > The Who

Burn me if you must but I believe The Who are just a bit overrated. Do not get me wrong, they are an excellent band. But some people just put them up too high.

[UneasyMonkey]

Geddy Lee is a great bassist to me, and he got excellent chops but...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kz3gpKCjRTM

Listen to that fill at the 50 second mark, I don't think Geddy has pull off anything that fast and precise.

Yeah, that's crazy. And he does that with only two fingers and gets it perfect every time

[supernova1324]

Led Zeppelin > Rush > The Who

Burn me if you must but I believe The Who are just a bit overrated. Do not get me wrong, they are an excellent band. But some people just put them up too high.

Lol, and Led Zeppelin isn't?

[Insane3]

Of course not:
http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=129790

[rowtheboat]

Zep>Rush>Who

[cherokeesam]

1) The Who
2) The Who
3) The Who

The Who are the reason rock and roll is still alive. The distortion that's absolutely necessary to rock was practically invented and perfected by John Entwhistle and Pete Townshend. If not for Keith Moon, rock drummers would still be quiet background timekeepers like Ringo and Charlie Watts. Keith Moon almost ruled the band behind his kit with his stage presence.

I'm tired of the "Peart > Moon" arguments --- Peart (and Bonzo) may or may not be better at the finer technical points of drumming, but Keef put his whole goddam SOUL into playing and gave his rolls and fills the sheer joy and anger and LIFE that rock drums needs. That's something "The Professor" has NEVER been able to duplicate.

[koolgirl]

ZEPPELIN, Who, rush

[Shredder34]

Led Zepplin is the best band here they have the best instramentalists and they have some of the most known songs in rock like who dosent know Stariway to heaven. Then Rush there my personal favorite band there best song in my opinion is 2112 and they play it awsome live. there songs are well pyt together and are very precise when they play.Then theres the who they were an awsome band and some of there songs are legend too but they were sloppy when they played live but this is how i see them in comparison to each other but it really depends on the type of music you like

[ImHotterThanYou]

I pick zeppelin over the other 2.

[MrFruitLord]

Led Zepplin is the best band here they have the best instramentalists and they have some of the most known songs in rock like who dosent know Stariway to heaven. Then Rush there my personal favorite band there best song in my opinion is 2112 and they play it awsome live. there songs are well pyt together and are very precise when they play.Then theres the who they were an awsome band and some of there songs are legend too but they were sloppy when they played live but this is how i see them in comparison to each other but it really depends on the type of music you like

Way to Necropost.

[classicrockdude]

1) The Who
2) The Who
3) The Who

The Who are the reason rock and roll is still alive. The distortion that's absolutely necessary to rock was practically invented and perfected by John Entwhistle and Pete Townshend. If not for Keith Moon, rock drummers would still be quiet background timekeepers like Ringo and Charlie Watts. Keith Moon almost ruled the band behind his kit with his stage presence.

I'm tired of the "Peart > Moon" arguments --- Peart (and Bonzo) may or may not be better at the finer technical points of drumming, but Keef put his whole goddam SOUL into playing and gave his rolls and fills the sheer joy and anger and LIFE that rock drums needs. That's something "The Professor" has NEVER been able to duplicate.

i agree

[izcool]

This is actually pretty hard. I <33 LedZeppelin. I think that everysong that they put together could be someone's personal anthem. As for TheWho, who doesn't love a couple songs from them? I mean Rush, I like maybe 2 songs from them. It might sound contridicting, but his high voice doesn't appeal to me even though Robert Plant has a very colorful range in his voice 8D.
So for me LedZeppelin will always be the best!
Then TheWho,
then Rush.

[DrewLee865]

Peart's the best drummer. The Who have the edge in everything else. And Led Zeppelin is last in everything.

[Squaretriangles]

This thread REALLY didn't need to be brought back to life....