Why is rock band so biased?

[tmanrocks]

This quote is truth... and the truth hurts :mad:


Awesome call on Stratovarius. Too bad for you, I, and the rest of REAL metal fans will never get them.

Theres supposed to be 40 songs , 18 announced and every one of them is an old song that everyone and their mom knows already and most people would be sick of them by now

I'd be willing to BET the other 22 are EVEN more stuff along those lines

And I bet the DLC will never be anything but the ordinary

Don't flame me because I'm not saying ordinary music is bad , I quite enjoy some of it

I just think its stupid and ignorant to just put CRAZY POPULAR billboard hit bands only in the game and leave everything else in the dirt , because really... real "Rockers" and real "metalheads" listen to more than just the songs on the radio

Wheres the love for the real rockers? This game at this point seems to be for casual-radio-in the car type rockers :( , I mean... harmonix has not even gone far enough to pick an original song by the artists... they just keep picking the popular songs per artist

Overall I think its really stupid to pick absolutley nothing but popular bands , and from there only pick those bands most popular songs... I think guitar hero does a better job of exposing the world to some new music, where as rock band is seemingly not introducing new music to anybody... at all. :mad:

Does anyone feel like I do on this subject? Want some different songs from the popular bands? Want some obscure bands? I do. It doesn't look like its going to happen though. :(

[GrayInvisible]

You need all the classics for the main release, it draws people although I'd like to see some other good songs for artists that have a bunch of songs that are popular, and a bunch of good underplayed songs, but people want to play songs they know. It'd be nice to have songs they haven't heard to expose them to new music, but they want to play the hits first.

On obscure songs it'd be good, as long as the songs are good. If we have tons and tons of obscure metal bands in the first release I wouldn't like that though. That's why we could have DLC with obscure stuff, or stuff some people like. I don't like many types of metal, but I think they should be represented as well as many other rock subgenres.

Also, who are you to decide who's a "Real" rock fan, or a "Real" metal fan? Maybe I was wrong, But I thought to be a real rocker you had to just like rock. Apparantly I have to like lesser well known groups to be a "real rocker" I guess I'm just doomed to be a "Radio in Car rocker". How does the popularity of the groups make you a "Real" Rock Fan? Can I join the "Real" Rocker group so I can be cool and hip and look down on people for liking music that was popular?

[DShizzle1029]

I can kinda level with ya on this. Like....Im not a fan of Canibal Corpse or some of those death metals guys (if thats what you mean, theres different kinds of metal) but I would LOVE, and I mean LOVE to have some Fear Factory in there. But most of all, I am going to be real upset if Nine Inch Nails doesnt even make it to DLC...

But yeah, obscure music is good to have to shed some light on some people's horizons as far as their tastes in rock.

[IbanezBassist_v2]

Heres the problem with all of that. Harmonix (or any developer) are going to attempt to appeal to the masses in order to get more sales. More sales = more revenue. They aren't going to market a product that is going to appeal to just one demographic. Hence the use of well known music that "everyone and their mom" has heard. They already know that people more inclined to listen to stuff thats less likely to get radio play will also buy. Its not rocket science. Its business.

[tmanrocks]

I can kinda level with ya on this. Like....Im not a fan of Canibal Corpse or some of those death metals guys (if thats what you mean, theres different kinds of metal) but I would LOVE, and I mean LOVE to have some Fear Factory in there. But most of all, I am going to be real upset if Nine Inch Nails doesnt even make it to DLC...

But yeah, obscure music is good to have to shed some light on some people's horizons as far as their tastes in rock.

Personally I'm more power metal / metalcore but like... if cannibal corpse was in the game , despite not actually being a death metal fan I would be happy to see something different in the game

To guy with car avatar : Yeah that makes sense , but do you reckon they will ever release obscure bands via DLC?

Edit: What I said to Dshizzle is only in refference to metal , there are other kind of obscure things I would like , like armor for sleep... greatest "emo" band in the universe , yet they are a more obscure band of that so called "Genre"

[newwaytodie]

I feel your pain. I think this game has always been about classic rock/songs that you hear or have heard daily (if you've ever turned on a radio).

I have hope that there is much more potential in the form of DLC so that the hardcore of us out there (or even just the people who have thier ear slightly tuned to the underground) can have fun playing to stuff that we and our friends can play along to.

It would also be a fantastic way for less mainstream bands to gain attention and circumvent the atrocity that is modern radio/TV and the associated record label politics that are destroying music today.

I came off as bitter in that post for a reason.. It's really not going to happen. And I know it. And I'm not bullshi*ting when I say that it really upsets me that we as gamers have to follow the same crappy pattern that radio and television have laid out.

Some day, the revolution will come. Untill then I will refuse to be force fed the poison that "they" want me to love.

STAY METAL!

[DShizzle1029]

Personally I'm more power metal / metalcore but like... if cannibal corpse was in the game , despite not actually being a death metal fan I would be happy to see something different in the game

To guy with car avatar : Yeah that makes sense , but do you reckon they will ever release obscure bands via DLC?

Edit: What I said to Dshizzle is only in refference to metal , there are other kind of obscure things I would like , like armor for sleep... greatest "emo" band in the universe , yet they are a more obscure band of that so called "Genre"

Metalcore is pretty slick. As I said before, Id love to see Fear Factory make the cut in at least DLC, ya know...

[DShizzle1029]

I feel your pain. I think this game has always been about classic rock/songs that you hear or have heard daily (if you've ever turned on a radio).

I have hope that there is much more potential in the form of DLC so that the hardcore of us out there (or even just the people who have thier ear slightly tuned to the underground) can have fun playing to stuff that we and our friends can play along to.

It would also be a fantastic way for less mainstream bands to gain attention and circumvent the atrocity that is modern radio/TV and the associated record label politics that are destroying music today.

I came off as bitter in that post for a reason.. It's really not going to happen. And I know it. And I'm not bullshi*ting when I say that it really upsets me that we as gamers have to follow the same crappy pattern that radio and television have laid out.

Some day, the revolution will come. Untill then I will refuse to be force fed the poison that "they" want me to love.

STAY METAL!

Lol! True, a revolution would be something...

Thank God for XM Radio, where they actually play less mainstreamed music. You get a huge variety and pretty much anything you wanna hear...maybe the HMX guys could listen to some XM Radio and get some ideas.

[tmanrocks]

Some day, the revolution will come. Untill then I will refuse to be force fed the poison that "they" want me to love.

THE TRUTH METAL BROTHER!!!! THE TRUTH!!!! :D lol

I gtg I'll check this topic later

[GrayInvisible]

Personally I'm more power metal / metalcore but like... if cannibal corpse was in the game , despite not actually being a death metal fan I would be happy to see something different in the game

To guy with car avatar : Yeah that makes sense , but do you reckon they will ever release obscure bands via DLC?

Edit: What I said to Dshizzle is only in refference to metal , there are other kind of obscure things I would like , like armor for sleep... greatest "emo" band in the universe , yet they are a more obscure band of that so called "Genre"

I think they could. The obscure stuff is cheaper, so they could have more in. I mean look at the bonus tracks, I liked some of them and there were tons. As long as the obscure music has variety it's fine. Would Big Country (The band I always talk about in the forum) be considered obscure? They had few Billboard hits, and are pretty unknown now.

I would like some more New Wave and Post Punk from the 80s in general. A lot of it's just the 4 instruments. It's not all synthpop. Even Freezepop has New Wave/Synthpop influences (Not that I like them)

[IbanezBassist_v2]

People! Harmonix is not force feeding you anything. If you don't want to hear or play it. Then don't buy it. Why can't you just be happy with a fine product such as RB in its current state? Some people never learn.

[newwaytodie]

Also, who are you to decide who's a "Real" rock fan, or a "Real" metal fan? Maybe I was wrong, But I thought to be a real rocker you had to just like rock. Apparantly I have to like lesser well known groups to be a "real rocker" I guess I'm just doomed to be a "Radio in Car rocker". How does the popularity of the groups make you a "Real" Rock Fan? Can I join the "Real" Rocker group so I can be cool and hip and look down on people for liking music that was popular?

If your musical scope is so limited that you have to like what everyone else likes, then you aren't a true fan of music. Of course I like stuff that is considered "popular" as well, but I also listen to things that are (IMO) just as good or better than what is being played on radio and TV (which is incidentally HOW music becomes popular.

There's no reason to call me out as "trying to be cool" (I could not care less what you or anyone else thinks about my musical taste) because I refuse to listen to exclusively popular music.

[Phrank-E]

look at the list in the first GH.. Everything in it was ultra popular radio hits. Even the newer stuff was what that particular band had on the radio and MTV. Gotta reel in the fans first, then diversify.

[tmanrocks]

Would Big Country be considered obscure?

Yes

Obscure just means like... less mainstream, and I being an encyclopedia of band knowledge having never heard of those guys before yesterday, I gotta say... they must be obscure.

[IbanezBassist_v2]

being an encyclopedia of band knowledge having never heard of those guys before yesterday, I gotta say... they must be obscure.

This was the best laugh I've had in a long, long time. Thanks!

[tmanrocks]

look at the list in the first GH.. Everything in it was ultra popular radio hits. Even the newer stuff was what that particular band had on the radio and MTV. Gotta reel in the fans first, then diversify.

Well then AT THE VERY LEAST.... I hope they put pantera and ozzy in this game... at least they are AWESOME mainstream bands :D <-Repeats from GH1

To ibanez : I probably will at least rent it if it turns out to be nothing but radio hits , but some cool interesting music would push me towards actually buying it

[GrayInvisible]

If your musical scope is so limited that you have to like what everyone else likes, then you aren't a true fan of music. Of course I like stuff that is considered "popular" as well, but I also listen to things that are (IMO) just as good or better than what is being played on radio and TV (which is incidentally HOW music becomes popular.

There's no reason to call me out as "trying to be cool" (I could not care less what you or anyone else thinks about my musical taste) because I refuse to listen to exclusively popular music.

I wasn't even referring to you. Don't get all pissy. When I said trying to be cool I was referring to the topic creator, and other music fans attitudes of acting over people just because they listen to lesser known music. Also, how could I be calling you out if my post was before you. I don't listen to popular music exclusively. I listen to music because I think it sounds good. And that music so far that I've found happens to be popular. I've been recently listening to more obscure music, but it was once considered semi-popular.

My mom listens to more obscure music than I do honestly.

EDIT: This topic moves so fast

[IbanezBassist_v2]

Here is a reason to buy it. Its RockBand made by Harmonix! You can't go wrong dude!

[Rock_Starman]

People! Harmonix is not force feeding you anything. If you don't want to hear or play it. Then don't buy it. Why can't you just be happy with a fine product such as RB in its current state? Some people never learn.

No one is going to not buy the game if there's 39 songs they like and 1 they don't. They'll buy it,they'll play it,they'll complain about the 1 they don't like. I think it's easily solved by having the unlock all code save but Harmonix doesn't seem to do that,luckily Neversoft ussally does. (No Matchbook Romance for me!)

They have to make money on the DLC too. Still have to pay for the songs so even if these bands only 3 people on here ever heard of get to be DLC it'll probably cost a lot even being cheaper to get since not many would DL it as opposed to say a Led Zeppelin song wich may have cost them a lot more to get but probably 98% of the people would DL it instead of 0.1 to 2%.

[lithiumkc]

I wasn't even referring to you. Don't get all pissy. When I said trying to be cool I was referring to the topic creator, and other music fans attitudes of acting over people just because they listen to lesser known music. Also, how could I be calling you out if my post was before you. I don't listen to popular music exclusively. I listen to music because I think it sounds good. And that music so far that I've found happens to be popular. I've been recently listening to more obscure music, but it was once considered semi-popular.

My mom listens to more obscure music than I do honestly.

EDIT: This topic moves so fast

I basically agree with you. Some people seem to have this ridiculous mindset that as soon as they start to like obscure and lesser known bands, that they cannot listen to mainstream, or popular songs anymore. So... Deprive yourself of music on principle. And you call yourself a true music lover? I can see not liking mainstream like MCR or whatever... But most of the songs announced for rock band so far are GOOD SONGS, they just also happen to be popular. So based the theory that 'Lesser known bands are getting hosed by the music industry today', you think we should remove popular songs that are of equal quality or better in regards to musicianship to even it out?

Grab a brain plz. They are good songs so far. DLC will help you out, i'm sure. They don't lose money by putting songs out like that.

[tmanrocks]

When I said trying to be cool I was referring to the topic creator, and other music fans attitudes of acting over people just because they listen to lesser known music.

Bull ****!

To me power metal , metalcore , and pop-punk are in general literally more enjoyable to me, are you saying I'm some kind of liar for not loving the who and metallica?

[lorddavid]

I think you'll be shocked how many people will buy DLC even if they don't know the band.

I actually wonder if on DLC, you'll be able to hear a snippet of the track so you know whether you wish to buy it or not.

Also, I don't see anywhere, where someone's said that you're only meant to listen to mainstream rock, nor has anyone said that you can't have your own tastes... however it's pretty much common sense that for the game to shift initially, the game has to appeal to the broadest group possible... that's obviously by using the more mainstream rock, and hence a TON of old-school classic rock (Which, personally, I have no qualms over, I love some of the older stuff, and I hope we get some Scoprions, Rainbow, and Gary Moore in there to cover that as well).

But DLC they can cover whatever they wish...y eah they may have costs to pay, but I'll generally nab a song by an unknown artist if the costs are a bit cheaper (or even by someone I don't know if the song sounds kinda decent), as they wont be stupidly expensive, and it's much more fun than just listening to the song normally (I outright refuse to buy singles, I'd have no problem buying a single song for this).

I just wish people would accept that it's not them specifically that need to be happy, it's everyone... which often means having to forgo your favourite style in favour of the majority... unfortunately society seems to be breeding the whole "I want it, and if I don't get it, I'm being screwed over!" attitude in some people.

[lithiumkc]

unfortunately society seems to be breeding the whole "I want it, and if I don't get it, I'm being screwed over!" attitude in some people.

That sums up the boards a lot of the time, extremely well :D

[tmanrocks]

I just wish people would accept that it's not them specifically that need to be happy, it's everyone... which often means having to forgo your favourite style in favour of the majority... unfortunately society seems to be breeding the whole "I want it, and if I don't get it, I'm being screwed over!" attitude in some people.

Don't you think the millions of people who aren't really crazy about classic hits count as a large part of "Everyone" ?

[lithiumkc]

Don't you think the millions of people who aren't really crazy about classic hits count as a large part of "Everyone" ?

Yes, but you can stand the music. You may like other songs better, but you have to admit to at least enjoying some of the songs. You just want other songs more.

A lot of people will not be able to stand obscure music, period, it'll be too hard for them and they're not going to be able, or WANT to sing it. What do you think Mr Smith is going to buy for his son johnny, Rock Band featuring Nirvana, Weezer, The Who and David Bowie or rock band featuring a bunch of bands he's never heard of... Fact remains, more people will know and like popular bands INCLUDING a large portion of people who like obscure bands, whereas if you cut out an entire demographic of people by putting more obscurity in... You fail to sell games.

AGAIN, THIS IS WHAT DLC IS FOR

GAWD.

[lorddavid]

I seem to have noticed... there's some threads where I try and reason the point about how a certain band couldn't be included in the "initial" launch, but is possible as DLC... and instantly you get jumped on for "dissing the band" and they start listing reasons why it should be in... ignoring the fact that a larger majority WOULDN'T enjoy it...

In actuality... take ANY kind of music, and I guarentee that the "majority" of the population will dislike it... even bands like Metallica, Led Zepplin, The Who etc... the majority will dislike 'em... however for this specific game, they'll be the norm, and bands that even more people disliked (Korn, SoaD, Slipknot (and to throw some in I personally love), Hammerfall, Nightwish, Edguy), are still beneath the level that the majority of people who are considering the game, will want.

In actuality... if we went with what a ton of people on this board wanted, I doubt Harmonix would even make back what they spent on the sodding researching of things like the periphrials. As I seriously doubt all the people shouting for MCR, Korn, SoaD etc. are going to make up the costs for ALL of the controllers and such, and I doubt there's enough fans out there, of those bands, who would care enough to buy the game (or in the MCR case... be able to beg Mum and Dad to give them the money to buy it, lol).

So c'mon people... instead of thinking you "deserve" certain genres in the game... why not just hope they're in the DLC, instead of putting your own needs above everyone elses... including the makers of the game?

[GrayInvisible]

Bull ****!

To me power metal , metalcore , and pop-punk are in general literally more enjoyable to me, are you saying I'm some kind of liar for not loving the who and metallica?

I wasn't saying that, I was just saying it seemed you were acting like you were superior for liking less known music. A lot of music fans do that. I didn't phrase it the right way though in that. I was trying to dodge fire from another user who misunderstood me and stepped right into another misunderstanding. Sorry, no offense meant. I don't like metallica though.

I agree with what Lithium and David said. I don't expect Big Country or any New Wave to be in the game, but I enjoy the classics too. I expect tons of good DLC.

[tmanrocks]

You know.... if they DID put Soad MCR and korn (like you said) in the game it would boost sales by a large ammount... you have any idea how many kids who don't know anything but the radio and MTV would **** their pants and pay nearly anything to pretend to be soad? lol

I don't care about those 3 bands but cmon.... seriously it would boost appeal

I mean and besides that... David... if they had 40 classic tracks and just a measly ONE measly nightwish track , I know that alot would boost appeal for me and you MASSIVELY

What I'm saying with this whole topic is like , go ahead and put 50 classics in the game.... just make sure to cover the other stuff in some ammount... you know?

[newwaytodie]

Some people seem to have this ridiculous mindset that as soon as they start to like obscure and lesser known bands, that they cannot listen to mainstream, or popular songs anymore.

Did I stop liking Avenged Sevenfold after they became extremely popular? No. Try Again. I have the uncanny knack for listening to bands that seem to blow up and become huge, long before they're heard on the radio or MTV. My life would pretty much suck if I just stopped listening to bands that I used to like, but then they "sold out".


I can see not liking mainstream like MCR or whatever...

In spite of what everyone seems to think, My Chemical Romance is what I think to be a pretty good band. I like them. So I like both popular and unpopular music.


But most of the songs announced for rock band so far are GOOD SONGS, they just also happen to be popular.

Once again, stating your opinion as fact I see?

I don't need to grab a brain, I grew a decent one on my own already.

[lithiumkc]

I seem to have noticed... there's some threads where I try and reason the point about how a certain band couldn't be included in the "initial" launch, but is possible as DLC... and instantly you get jumped on for "dissing the band" and they start listing reasons why it should be in... ignoring the fact that a larger majority WOULDN'T enjoy it...

In actuality... take ANY kind of music, and I guarentee that the "majority" of the population will dislike it... even bands like Metallica, Led Zepplin, The Who etc... the majority will dislike 'em... however for this specific game, they'll be the norm, and bands that even more people disliked (Korn, SoaD, Slipknot (and to throw some in I personally love), Hammerfall, Nightwish, Edguy), are still beneath the level that the majority of people who are considering the game, will want.

In actuality... if we went with what a ton of people on this board wanted, I doubt Harmonix would even make back what they spent on the sodding researching of things like the periphrials. As I seriously doubt all the people shouting for MCR, Korn, SoaD etc. are going to make up the costs for ALL of the controllers and such, and I doubt there's enough fans out there, of those bands, who would care enough to buy the game (or in the MCR case... be able to beg Mum and Dad to give them the money to buy it, lol).

So c'mon people... instead of thinking you "deserve" certain genres in the game... why not just hope they're in the DLC, instead of putting your own needs above everyone elses... including the makers of the game?


Exactly...

Look tman, think of it this way. The amount of people who buy this game will be enough for hmx to stay in business, and make enough money to put out the more requested, obscure songs for DLC.

If they put them all on the game at first.. you'd probably have 1 rock band game, not that many downloadable songs due to the fact that barely anybody bought the game, and there would not be a sequel. So whatever.

[Keebler]

I just would like to know why the hell so many people are close-minded about musical tastes. I think someone ignoring "popular music" just so they feel like they are not conforming is snobby. And dismissing bands you've never heard of or seen on TV without consideration for their musicianship is snobby as well.

Here's the bottom line: what average music fan/video gamer is going to buy a video game featuring 40 songs they've never heard of? People will tend to be close-minded, and if they don't recognize any of the songs, why in the world would they want to buy the game in the first place? What is going to draw them in besides the controllers? There needs to be music they've heard of. And really, what difference does it make if the music included is popular or mainstream? Does that make it inherently worse or less desirable? Absolutely not.

If you want some obscure songs and bands, why not hold out for the bonus songs before complaining?

I think some of you ought to just unbunch your panties and relax. Harmonix isn't trying to alienate anyone.

[tmanrocks]

Did I stop liking Avenged Sevenfold after they became extremely popular? No. Try Again. I have the uncanny knack for listening to bands that seem to blow up and become huge, long before they're heard on the radio or MTV. My life would pretty much suck if I just stopped listening to bands that I used to like, but then they "sold out".

WORD! lol

A7X is popular , and I think they are great ... definantley one of my favorites

Which I make a point to right now , Rock band doesn't even seem like its going to go as far as to put A7X in the game... they seem to be going all mainstream but all OLD mainstream

I mean... for craps sake... put at least some new popular bands in there too if they think this game is a popularity contest

[lithiumkc]

Did I stop liking Avenged Sevenfold after they became extremely popular? No. Try Again. I have the uncanny knack for listening to bands that seem to blow up and become huge, long before they're heard on the radio or MTV. My life would pretty much suck if I just stopped listening to bands that I used to like, but then they "sold out".

Then swell for you, but I can say without a doubt I know a ton of people who diss music and popular songs because theyre popular



Once again, stating your opinion as fact I see?

Well


If your musical scope is so limited that you have to like what everyone else likes, then you aren't a true fan of music

If the door is open... :rolleyes:


I don't need to grab a brain, I grew a decent one on my own already.
I wasn't trying to insult.

So you dont 1 song you like out of the 16 so far announced. Not 1?

[Keebler]

WORD! lol

A7X is popular , and I think they are great ... definantley one of my favorites

Which I make a point to right now , Rock band doesn't even seem like its going to go as far as to put A7X in the game... they seem to be going all mainstream but all OLD mainstream

I mean... for craps sake... put at least some new popular bands in there too if they think this game is a popularity contest


There's 25 LICENSED songs yet to be announced. Chill the hell out already.

[newwaytodie]

I have hope that there is much more potential in the form of DLC so that the hardcore of us out there (or even just the people who have thier ear slightly tuned to the underground) can have fun playing to stuff that we and our friends can play along to.

It would also be a fantastic way for less mainstream bands to gain attention and circumvent the atrocity that is modern radio/TV and the associated record label politics that are destroying music today.

Lorddavid and Lithium, you guys are just re-stating what I said about DLC.

[tmanrocks]

There's 25 LICENSED songs yet to be announced. Chill the hell out already.

I'm just saying dude, with the RATIO they have shown of old to new so far , its looking pretty grim for any popular bands of the last 5 years getting in

[lithiumkc]

WORD! lol

A7X is popular , and I think they are great ... definantley one of my favorites

Which I make a point to right now , Rock band doesn't even seem like its going to go as far as to put A7X in the game... they seem to be going all mainstream but all OLD mainstream

I mean... for craps sake... put at least some new popular bands in there too if they think this game is a popularity contest

Oh my god.. They're freaking going with the suggestions that they're getting from the public! People have been suggesting these artists on a regular basis. If you don't like it, start a revolution pal and go make everybody listen to what you think they should like.

Otherwise, they're just going with the majority. They're music lovers themselves, im pretty sure it would be hard not to, and im sure theyre going to try to make a game that they want to play too. Maybe some of these songs fit in with that desire.

[Keebler]

I'm just saying dude, with the RATIO they have shown of old to new so far , its looking pretty grim for any popular bands of the last 5 years getting in

Not even half the songs have been announced. NOT EVEN HALF. Why don't you reserve judgment and harsh words (like this thread) until then?

[lithiumkc]

I'm just saying dude, with the RATIO they have shown of old to new so far , its looking pretty grim for any popular bands of the last 5 years getting in

Maybe it's easier to sign older artists. Maybe new content is harder to get signed. Maybe they'll be releasing new albums for download. If you're gonna deal deal in theories and guesswork, so can I.

[tmanrocks]

Not even half the songs have been announced. NOT EVEN HALF. Why don't you reserve judgment and harsh words (like this thread) until then?

Harmonix reads their forums , so ... yeah... I just make threads like this so they realize some people out there do want some variety... ok?

[newwaytodie]

So you dont 1 song you like out of the 16 so far announced. Not 1?

Hmmm... As far as the list in general so far.... I can't really say that I'm too excited about any of them. I like all of them but there's not one that stands out to me and says "PLAY ME!"

I guess Don't Fear The Reaper would be my favorite at this point. I'm really holding on to the hope that DLC will bring some stuff that I like more.

[tmanrocks]

Hmmm... As far as the list in general so far.... I can't really say that I'm too excited about any of them. I like all of them but there's not one that stands out to me and says "PLAY ME!"

I guess Don't Fear The Reaper would be my favorite at this point. I'm really holding on to the hope that DLC will bring some stuff that I like more.

Personally for me at this point its like

"In bloom" Miniature yay! :)

"Tom sawyer" Mini yay #2 :)

The rest : Meh , I'm not really even in the least excited bout the rest personally :(

[lithiumkc]

Hmmm... As far as the list in general so far.... I can't really say that I'm too excited about any of them. I like all of them but there's not one that stands out to me and says "PLAY ME!"

I guess Don't Fear The Reaper would be my favorite at this point. I'm really holding on to the hope that DLC will bring some stuff that I like more.

Then thats fair. To be honest, i really didn't like that many of the songs on GH2 period, but I love that game. I get into the songs because of the game. Same with GH1... I don't like metal nor could i have ever sat myself through CFH, ace of spades or BATM on headphones. But I love those songs on guitar hero, and i don't mind them now. Drink a few shots and you'll be howling to in bloom man :o

[GrayInvisible]

Hmmm... As far as the list in general so far.... I can't really say that I'm too excited about any of them. I like all of them but there's not one that stands out to me and says "PLAY ME!"

I guess Don't Fear The Reaper would be my favorite at this point. I'm really holding on to the hope that DLC will bring some stuff that I like more.

What music do you like in the game? (Just curious)

[tmanrocks]

What music do you like in the game? (Just curious)

Me or the guy you quoted?

[GrayInvisible]

New Way, although what music do you want in the game?

[tmanrocks]

New Way, although what music do you want in the game?

http://www.rockband.com/vbforum/showthread.php?t=2004

Thats a list of songs I want in the game , it has a wide mix I think I think you already saw it though lol

Personally in the rock band game I , guess you could say I "like" a few songs in it... but I want something I LOVE in the game :/

[Necrotide]

Some day, the revolution will come. Untill then I will refuse to be force fed the poison that "they" want me to love.
STAY METAL!

So what would the revolution be? Everyone would like the music that you like, and then you'd change your mind because it became too popular?
or
Would every band be forced to have the exact same amount of fans?

Do you think your favorite bands don't want you to love them? :confused:

[tmanrocks]

So what would the revolution be? Everyone would like the music that you like, and then you'd change your mind because it became too popular?
or
Would every band be forced to have the exact same amount of fans?

Do you think your favorite bands don't want you to love them? :confused:

He means the revolution of the future , where all the "emo" and poorly made rap stops dominating the airwaves, and some music with integrity becomes the mainstream again

It WILL happen... theres just so many people against todays mainstream artists...

[GrayInvisible]

He means the revolution of the future , where all the "emo" and poorly made rap stops dominating the airwaves, and some music with integrity becomes the mainstream again

It WILL happen... theres just so many people against todays mainstream artists...

It will keep building until there is a backlash. The 80s music came because of the backlash against Disco and Soft Rock.

[tmanrocks]

It will keep building until there is a backlash. The 80s music came because of the backlash against Disco and Soft Rock.

Yeah like... the SHEER NUMBER of people against todays mainstream can't go ignored forever

If not in this generation , then out generation will influence our kids to go towards music with integrity , and then all of our kids will be the ones who bring on the musical revolution

But I am like almost 100% sure that the musical world will change at some point in the future, I really hate how the media only plays 1 genre at a time as a fad..... I honestly don't know why MTV can't play the best artists from everything , instead of the worst artists from 1 secluded genre.......

[GrayInvisible]

Yeah like... the SHEER NUMBER of people against todays mainstream can't go ignored forever

If not in this generation , then out generation will influence our kids to go towards music with integrity , and then all of our kids will be the ones who bring on the musical revolution

But I am like almost 100% sure that the musical world will change at some point in the future, I really hate how the media only plays 1 genre at a time as a fad..... I honestly don't know why MTV can't play the best artists from everything , instead of the worst artists from 1 secluded genre.......

Yeah, I'm look out for the 2010s. MTV wasn't as bad when they started, but now they're horrible. The mainstream listeners just listen to whats on the radio, so it's up to people who make good music, and put stuff on radios to put good stuff.

All in all, I think the 90s-2000s are a pretty gloomy decade. I think the 2010s will pick up everything, not just music.

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

This quote is truth... and the truth hurts :mad:



Theres supposed to be 40 songs , 18 announced and every one of them is an old song that everyone and their mom knows already and most people would be sick of them by now

I'd be willing to BET the other 22 are EVEN more stuff along those lines

And I bet the DLC will never be anything but the ordinary

Don't flame me because I'm not saying ordinary music is bad , I quite enjoy some of it

I just think its stupid and ignorant to just put CRAZY POPULAR billboard hit bands only in the game and leave everything else in the dirt , because really... real "Rockers" and real "metalheads" listen to more than just the songs on the radio

Wheres the love for the real rockers? This game at this point seems to be for casual-radio-in the car type rockers :( , I mean... harmonix has not even gone far enough to pick an original song by the artists... they just keep picking the popular songs per artist

Overall I think its really stupid to pick absolutley nothing but popular bands , and from there only pick those bands most popular songs... I think guitar hero does a better job of exposing the world to some new music, where as rock band is seemingly not introducing new music to anybody... at all. :mad:

Does anyone feel like I do on this subject? Want some different songs from the popular bands? Want some obscure bands? I do. It doesn't look like its going to happen though. :(

Man, I get you, which is why I made my real metal thread (link below). But I mean, its not that bad. I mean, now its popular and whatever, but Blue Oyster Cult, David Bowie....they started everything. So its not all bad.

But, they say they are gonna cover rock's history. So, they gotta go through Metal, and if they do so, they cant stay just with Maiden, Priest, and the thrash bands that came out in the US. When Metal faded into obscurity in the US, it thrived everywhere else. They just have to cover that in the game.

They have to cater to us metalheads at some point, or else the Metal Gods will smite their asses!!

[tmanrocks]

Man, I get you, which is why I made my real metal thread (link below). But I mean, its not that bad. I mean, now its popular and whatever, but Blue Oyster Cult, David Bowie....they started everything. So its not all bad.

But, they say they are gonna cover rock's history. So, they gotta go through Metal, and if they do so, they cant stay just with Maiden, Priest, and the thrash bands that came out in the US. When Metal faded into obscurity in the US, it thrived everywhere else. They just have to cover that in the game.

They have to cater to us metalheads at some point, or else the Metal Gods will smite their asses!!

PFFT they will probably give us a megadeth and judas priest song in addition to that metallica song and they will prob leave it at that those jerks!

[GrayInvisible]

What is the difference between real metal, and classic metal. What makes it real metal? I reckon Black Sabbath, and Judas Priest count as metal don't they? I'm not too informed on the subject of metal.

[tmanrocks]

What is the difference between real metal, and classic metal. What makes it real metal? I reckon Black Sabbath, and Judas Priest count as metal don't they? I'm not too informed on the subject of metal.

By real metal he means all metal thats genre isn't "Heavy metal"

Heavy metal = the plainest form of metal = less interesting, still good but... we want some music that only real metal people know about

[GrayInvisible]

Ah, thanks for the explanation.

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

What is the difference between real metal, and classic metal. What makes it real metal? I reckon Black Sabbath, and Judas Priest count as metal don't they? I'm not too informed on the subject of metal.

Ok, Ill explain. Theres an actual style called True Metal, but I think only Manowar play it.

When we talk about real Metal, we say it to differentiate it from the Metal everyone knows. Most people, you say Metal, all they can think is Poison, Tesla, Motley Crue, Bon Jovi....whatever!

In this forum, hen we say real Metal its because sure, EVERYONE can mention Judas Priest. Only people who are really into the Metal scene could mention, say, Helloween, or Virgin Steele.

Also, real Metal puts itself as the vanguard against all these "unpure" styles like hardcore, extreme, grindcore, stoner....all these styles are like hybrids of lots of other things that make them sound, and be, completely different from the Metal styles that have evolved on their own, that have grown into things like speed, thrash, progressive, power, folk metal, black metal, viking metal, symphonic metal...they all share something in common, something anything ending with "core" doesnt have.

Thats my version. Others that have been metalheads for longer than me can explain better.

As for tman's explanation...Metal only Metal people know about, its a great explanation. But I have to disagree with the heavy thing.

I mean, heavy is a style of its own, and shapes the music of bands like Hammerfall and Dream Evil, which though being power, they are very heavy. I think its most a matter of this: if you think heavy metal applies to all metal music, you are not into metal. If you attach the word heavy to a distinct style from say, death metal or thrash, then you are into Metal. I mean, Heavy Metal bands still come out today. Of course, nothing you will learn about in the normal US mainstream.

[tmanrocks]

I mean, Heavy Metal bands still come out today. Of course, nothing you will learn about in the normal US mainstream.

:P aint nobody learning anything about metal anywhere, lame lol

(You refferenced helloween , and helloween FTW.)

I am not as big of a metal head as lavatory here seeing as I listen to : Power , heavy , thrash , symphonic , progressive, core ... and I hate the others
(vocals from hell in the other subgenres of metal :()

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

:P aint nobody learning anything about metal anywhere, lame lol

(You refferenced helloween , and helloween FTW.)

I am not as big of a metal head as lavatory here seeing as I listen to : Power , heavy , thrash , symphonic , progressive, core ... and I hate the others
(vocals from hell in the other subgenres of metal :()

Well, there are things I dont like. I HATE black metal. I just dont understand the appeal. And I always take death Metal with a grain of salt. Still, Amon Amarth just kicks ass. Their latest album is just brutal.

Also, I like thrash bands that are a little more mid tempo....which is why I love Seasons in the Abyss and South of Heaven more than Reign in Blood. I think it kicks a bit more ass that way, and its more aggressive in my view.

I dont like heavy that much, the traditional stuff. I mean, Ill take power over it any day. And I like symphonic bands that dont clutter their music with softened tempos all the time, like Epica. Their albums start great and heavy, but always get cluttered with slow boring songs. Thats why I LOVE Nightwish (before Century Child and onwards). Most of their songs had decent, even fast tempos.

About heavy, that depends though. Ive never gotten a clear answer on which are heavy bands, which arent. I just can say theres a difference between Edguy, who dont have heavy influence, and Hammefall, who do.

Maybe going around the Encyclopedia Metallum will clear my mind of the whole business. I mean, I know what its supposed to be, but I cant mention bands, or get a clear picture of the sound. I usually associate them with Saxon for example, but they are NWOBHM. Although, NWOBHM bands dont even sound like each other lol

[tmanrocks]

I declare Lavatory the official coolest user besides myself

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

Aww Im flattered. I was about to declare YOU the coolest besides MYSELF. I mean, the Infinite cover as avatar? Isnt Millenium one of the most kick ass Stratovarius songs?!

But, dont sing me praises. I just know theory. My CD collection sucks, and my MP3 collection is still average. Im still a student, a very amateur one at that, when it comes to actually listening to music rather than recognizing styles (which Im still new to that too). Ive been a "serious" metalhead for roughly 2 years, and yes, I had a mentor, a guy from college who I think if you were to make him bleed, Iron Maiden would come out instead of blood.

I mean, I have a long way to go. Still havent been able to experience fully japanese power Metal, and the only truly Priest album Ive listened to entirely is Angel of Retribution. So yeah...got a long way to go.

[tmanrocks]

Aww Im flattered. I was about to declare YOU the coolest besides MYSELF. I mean, the Infinite cover as avatar? Isnt Millenium one of the most kick ass Stratovarius songs?!

But, dont sing me praises. I just know theory. My CD collection sucks, and my MP3 collection is still average. Im still a student, a very amateur one at that, when it comes to actually listening to music rather than recognizing styles (which Im still new to that too). Ive been a "serious" metalhead for roughly 2 years, and yes, I had a mentor, a guy from college who I think if you were to make him bleed, Iron Maiden would come out instead of blood.

I mean, I have a long way to go. Still havent been able to experience fully japanese power Metal, and the only truly Priest album Ive listened to entirely is Angel of Retribution. So yeah...got a long way to go.

lol well... my goal in life isn't to be the #1 encyclopedia of metal knowledge but if thats what you wanna try and do go ahead :P

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

lol well... my goal in life isn't to be the #1 encyclopedia of metal knowledge but if thats what you wanna try and do go ahead :P

Oh yeah I would love to. But, I also wanna be a lot of things so I gotta stop giving hobbies priorities lol

[Smidget]

You need all the classics for the main release, it draws people

quote taken from page ONE of this article. That pretty much sums it up. And remember, they actually took the time and effort to put a "song request" function on the hompage for a while. And they are also scowering these boards daily, reading what we post as well as interacting with us. Their interest in what the fans want seems to definitely be a priority. With SO MUCH dlc planned, you can be sure that you'll be seeing a bunch of songs that are not "classics." With two songs planned to be released a week, they could do a "classic" + "not classic" combo or something of the sort. Pleasing the people who actually bought the game is what dlc is all about and as I said before, Harmonix seems to be all about pleasing the fans. But again, "You need all the classics for the main release, it draws people".

[lithiumkc]

But again, "You need all the classics for the main release, it draws people".

Pretty much sums it up. You need people actually buying the game in order to have the funds to put out more songs.

[ThePaska]

This quote is truth... and the truth hurts :mad:



Theres supposed to be 40 songs , 18 announced and every one of them is an old song that everyone and their mom knows already and most people would be sick of them by now

I'd be willing to BET the other 22 are EVEN more stuff along those lines

And I bet the DLC will never be anything but the ordinary

Don't flame me because I'm not saying ordinary music is bad , I quite enjoy some of it

I just think its stupid and ignorant to just put CRAZY POPULAR billboard hit bands only in the game and leave everything else in the dirt , because really... real "Rockers" and real "metalheads" listen to more than just the songs on the radio

Wheres the love for the real rockers? This game at this point seems to be for casual-radio-in the car type rockers :( , I mean... harmonix has not even gone far enough to pick an original song by the artists... they just keep picking the popular songs per artist

Overall I think its really stupid to pick absolutley nothing but popular bands , and from there only pick those bands most popular songs... I think guitar hero does a better job of exposing the world to some new music, where as rock band is seemingly not introducing new music to anybody... at all. :mad:

Does anyone feel like I do on this subject? Want some different songs from the popular bands? Want some obscure bands? I do. It doesn't look like its going to happen though. :(

I think there are only 16 announced songs as of now. What are the other two I'm missing?

As for your comment on them only picking popular music, that is not true. The main songs are mostly popular, this is true, and rightly so as, how would they sell a game like this without popular music. Popular music means people will like the game and buy it, why put music on the game that has a high risk of no one liking, or no one knowing the songs on it and not willing to purchase them to find out?

Now if you have played Guitar Hero in the past you know that the bonus songs are where all the music that is less well known is put, and gives some lesser known bands a chance to get some notice. For the most part I have almost enjoyed the bonus songs more than the actual songs in the game. The bonus songs paired up with the high amount of DLC that is being promised for this game, I think we will see a lot of lesser known bands down the road that will be playable in Rock Band. Don't get too worried about it yet, there is a high possibility you will be seeing some obscure bands in this game.

EDIT: I didn't realize so many responses had already been made, I most likely repeated a lot of what everyone else has said, but either way this is still how I feel, I think it is a little silly for people to complain that Rock Band has popular music in it

[lorddavid]

In regards to an earlier post by tman, I agree, if Nightwish was in, I'd mark out like a little kid watching Cena win again in WWE... however I can also agree that the chances of them being in the game are on about par with me swimming the channel nude, while deliberately pissing in the shark infested waters...

Those Korn, SLipknot, SoaD, Hammerfall, Within Temptation, whatever, bands... will mark out whether it's in the main game, or whether it's in the DLC. Unfortunately the amount of people willing to buy this game once they hear those bands are in it, isn't likely to change (Be honest here... we're likely to buy the thing whether our favourites are in or not, just because it's gonna be an awesome game, others not so much).

So to begin with, they'll be likely to stick what some would call "generic" metal in for the metal heads, that'll do me just fine anyway, plus I only know of a handful of the songs that are in... and I hate Nirvana (Why did we get that piss-poor Nirvana track in GH2? It was so slow that I almost fell asleep playing it... which only makes it marginally better than Smoke On The Water... which I DID fall asleep playing (and at one point, while repeatedly dozing off, managed to still have a combo going, lol)), but it wont stop me buying the game if songs I dislike are in it... because I'll get it anyway.

It's Joe Public who need the real satisfaction for this game, to draw them into it... once we've got 'em by the gonads, we can then begin trickling some of the great music that we like to 'em via DLC...

Hell, ya never know... we could be starting the revolution thanks to this game, get all the people who like MCR and crap interested... then get 'em to listen to Hammerfall & company via DLC :D.

But if they're gonna put Nightwish in as DLC... please have it from before Tarja left... that new gal is crap.

[newwaytodie]

I've noticed that fans of true metal are few and far between on this forum.

We need to stick together! Warriors of the World unite! Die for Metal!

LordDavid, Lavatory, and Tman I salute you! Stay Metal!

[IbanezBassist_v2]

There's 25 LICENSED songs yet to be announced. Chill the hell out already.

This is what I am talking about.

Jackasses are already in an uproar over what hasn't been announced thus far. There are still like 25 more tracks tba in the upcoming months. Shut your mouth, keep your opinions to yourself and wait to see if you get something that you want.

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

See, the thing is this. A few people have posted here, and the intention of this thread is to hope and make sure Metal gets proper treatment in Rock Band. OF COURSE all these bands are gonna be on the DLC. Nobody expects them to be in the original release.

And thats great, cuz you start the game with the foundations of rock and roll, and then, you spiral downwards into everything since.

I think DLCs should be divided into genres, and given bios of the bands. I mean, didnt they say they wanted the game to be like a rock museum? In the Metal side of things, that would be awesome. Playing Helloween, then playing Gamma Ray knowing that when Helloween sucked, Kai Hansen carried the torch with Gamma Ray. That would be awesome.

This game will do big in Europe if they have a sizable, decent Metal catalogue in the game. I mean, these bands are big over there. In the US, only the metalheads notice them, really.