Nine Inch Nails SUCKS!

[newwaytodie]

Trent Reznor is a joke. I wish I had a fancy computer and thousands of dollars in software and equipment to make my guitars somehow still sound like Sh*t.

I would also like to have a completely uninspired approach to lyrics and re-write the same repetitive about how I hate God and everything sucks in life. (even though I am totally rich and I love my money.. money is awesome).

I would love to dress in black and paint my nails and be all whiny and *****y because "the masses" don't understand my "genius".

[tmanrocks]

NIN is weird imo

They have some songs I like , then they have some I think are a joke

I like:
Getting smaller
The hand that feeds

Joke:
their newest single... I heard it on the radio and I started laughing because there is no way they were being serious writting that lol

[fragpirate]

yes NIN sucks, their music is always off beat and no matter how much people tell me that it is artistic expression and genius it still sucks!
its just freaking ******ed. the singing is horrible repetitive and the lyrics are dumb and just flat out dim-witted.
its just an example of how people can love **** just to be different and trendy.
take the entire modern art scene.... splattered paint on a canvas, get a fortune.

NIN is electronic emo.

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

Yes they suck!! Die, enemies of Metal!!!!!!! (not literally. just die....hipothetically)

Guys, whenever somebody tells you something is "artistically expressive"....yeah, prepare to listen to crap. Saying repeatedly that something is artistic is a sign that the people that like it, subconciously, know it sucks, but they have to justify it.

[Rev0lver]

i love NIN. one of my favorite bands. not too much into the new stuff though... only good songs in the past 10 years in my opinion is survivalism and my violent heart. The Downward Spiral is my favorite album of all time though.

[newwaytodie]

My main beef, aside from all the posing (painting nails, dying hair, etc) is that NIN is shoddy musicianship. I'm sorry but anyone can do that sh*t. You just gotta have the right programs and hardware, and to a lesser extent the knowhow.

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

Like rap music. A hit song that'll make them millions depends on whether the program they are using HAPPENS to have certain sounds that would make a hit song lol

[sa_nick]

My main beef, aside from all the posing (painting nails, dying hair, etc) is that NIN is shoddy musicianship. I'm sorry but anyone can do that sh*t. You just gotta have the right programs and hardware, and to a lesser extent the knowhow.

Painted nails and dying hair? Man, have u even seen NIN since the 90's? And back then it's wasn't the stupid emo crap fad it is now.

The last 2 albums weren't the best, although they did have their moments. But Broken, TDS and The Fragile are some of the best albums ever.


Guys, whenever somebody tells you something is "artistically expressive"....yeah, prepare to listen to crap.

Who said its artistically expressive? When you break down NIN songs they are similar to a lot of music and follow basic rules of 'how to write a song 101' except with a few little twists. There is a lot of other crazy music (a small % of which isnt too bad) out there that would be called artistically expressive, but NIN is not them. NIN is just a mix of awesome rock you can headbang to and some mellow tunes you can chill out to.

Edit: HAHA, newwaytoadie, your complaining NIN are posers because they dye their hair and paint their fingers nails? I just looked at you band list, saw 30 seconds to mars, AFI and All American Regects (didn't even have to get past the A's). Those band are the f*cking posers, bringing out their wanna-bemo sh*t that really should only ever be taken seriously by 12 year old girls who think "the boyz are totally cute ^_^"

[Quitsquirrel]

I never really got into them but i do like head like a hole and for some reason their new album is on my xbox and when ever it pops on it sounds ok i think it grew on me

[newwaytodie]

Edit: HAHA, newwaytoadie, your complaining NIN are posers because they dye their hair and paint their fingers nails? I just looked at you band list, saw 30 seconds to mars, AFI and All American Regects (didn't even have to get past the A's). Those band are the f*cking posers, bringing out their wanna-bemo sh*t that really should only ever be taken seriously by 12 year old girls who think "the boyz are totally cute ^_^"

Grow up. And while you're at it read the rest of that list. Just because I like stuff that you think is crap because it's "popular".

I guess Niccolò Paganini was a poser because all the 12 year olds back in the 1700's thought he was so cute.

Expand your musical tastes beyond shi*ty computer music, with lyrics about being a heroin riddled, apathetic waste of carbon who hates God.

[sa_nick]

Grow up. And while you're at it read the rest of that list. Just because I like stuff that you think is crap because it's "popular".

I don't dislike things just because they are popular, Nine Inch Nails for example. They are mainstream music, their album sales get into the top 40 (i think Year Zero got to number 2, higher than some of your "popular" bands)

And yes i did read more of your bands and yes some of them are good. But don't make an argument for NIN sucking coz they're posers when your music tastes include even bigger posers.

You should check out some NIN Live from their Fragility Tours. There's some awesome stuff in there. It's not all "computer music" like in Year Zero, or about some "heroin riddled, apathetic" guy like in The Downward Spiral. Each NIN album is different and has something good to offer.

[Amy329]

NIN sucks nuff said

[sa_nick]

NIN sucks nuff said

Whatever, spoon-face *****.

[lithiumkc]

Trent Reznor is a joke. I wish I had a fancy computer and thousands of dollars in software and equipment to make my guitars somehow still sound like Sh*t.

I would also like to have a completely uninspired approach to lyrics and re-write the same repetitive about how I hate God and everything sucks in life. (even though I am totally rich and I love my money.. money is awesome).

I would love to dress in black and paint my nails and be all whiny and *****y because "the masses" don't understand my "genius".

Like someone else said, you listen to AFI and other crap bands that 'dress in black and paint nails'

Funny, I was under the impression that music was judged by how it sounded, not how the band members dressed. Otherwise as someone else said, you listen to AFI, now THOSE asshats look ridiculous. You're just another big hypocrite on teh intarweb who fails to recognize that he is one.

[lithiumkc]

My main beef, aside from all the posing (painting nails, dying hair, etc) is that NIN is shoddy musicianship. I'm sorry but anyone can do that sh*t. You just gotta have the right programs and hardware, and to a lesser extent the knowhow.

Then why don't they? Why don't you?

As for 'expanding his lyrics', who are you to choose for somebody else what they should write about? You understand nothing about artistic integrity. You don't understand the creation of music at all.

[Corvian]

NIN ist great nuff said

btw: I love Cash's version of "Hurt"

[lithiumkc]

NIN ist great nuff said

btw: I love Cash's version of "Hurt"

agreed'd'd'd.

[KillerIsMe]

Why care how he makes the music?
I think it's good, and as long as it's good, I don't care if it's made from a computer, guitars or someone smashing a stick on a tree. If it sounds good, it is good.

And as for Trent Reznor being a poser because he's got black hair and painted nails (wich he doesn't even have anymore btw) then what are AFI and 30 seconds to mars?

Some like NIN, some don't, 'nuff said.

And yes, Cash's cover on Hurt really is great.

[sa_nick]

And who the hell starts up a thread like this purely to pay out a band? I think someone's jealous...

[Americo]

yes NIN sucks, their music is always off beat and no matter how much people tell me that it is artistic expression and genius it still sucks!
its just freaking ******ed. the singing is horrible repetitive and the lyrics are dumb and just flat out dim-witted.
its just an example of how people can love **** just to be different and trendy.
take the entire modern art scene.... splattered paint on a canvas, get a fortune.

NIN is electronic emo.You're complaining about music that is offbeat? Music that sucks even though it is artistic expression and genius? While you're entitled to your own opinion, I am also entitled to mine. I believe that if the artist (or band as a whole) is happy with their work, you have to give them for respect for selling millions and millions of albums worldwide.

See, people have different tastes, whether it's splattered paint on a canvas or if it's just "trendy" music. Every era has trendy music, whether it's System of a Down, Slayer, Slipknot, Duran Duran, Crazy Town, and even Minor Threat. It's just a matter if you want to be a "rebel" and not follow the trends that I see as a "trend". I say that if you don't like a certain band, artist, or musical act, just move on and stop talking **** about them already.

If you get onto a big music label, it means that people like you. How do you know they don't anymore? When the labels drop you.

[lithiumkc]

I say that if you don't like a certain band, artist, or musical act, just move on and stop talking **** about them already.

If you get onto a big music label, it means that people like you. How do you know they don't anymore? When the labels drop you.

THANK YOU!

God... back in the day i used to insult other peoples music when they put it on. Then i realized how god damned annoying it is when other people do it to yours. I don't even listen to NIN that much but I do like the songs i've heard, I think trent reznor is quite creative. I'd like to see newway or anybody else put together the industrial side of the music that they do on the computer.

I've made songs or attempted to on DAW's and its extremely hard. DAWS are digital audio workstations. They're not childs play. You can't just push a button and it sounds perfect. If you think otherwise, youre ******ed and not fit to comment on the subject. Creating music using daw's takes just as much time, effort, and creativity as a guitar if not more. You're not limited to 6 strings and 24 frets. You can make anything.

[logicalnoise]

Trent Reznor is a joke. I wish I had a fancy computer and thousands of dollars in software and equipment to make my guitars somehow still sound like Sh*t.

I would also like to have a completely uninspired approach to lyrics and re-write the same repetitive about how I hate God and everything sucks in life. (even though I am totally rich and I love my money.. money is awesome).

I would love to dress in black and paint my nails and be all whiny and *****y because "the masses" don't understand my "genius".

Everyone has an opinion but I'd like to call you out as an idiot. For one Trent(I say trent because he basically does everything in NIN) write industrial music with rock overtones.
As for his lyrics uh well he's a moody guy who expresses how he feels. I mean if you hate trent foir that you'd have to hate any metal bad who ever wrote an angsty song. I mean if his lyrics were so bad why the hell did johnny cash use them for his single?
And honestly Trent is a mad scientest when it comes to producing. I make my own electronic music and know how hard it is to control the synth he uses in his latest album. I mean honestly dude your just jealous that he's just a creative talent.

[xtcdukes]

There's only one reason why NIN do not deserve my attention and that is their horrible cover version of Joy Division's Dead Souls. Ian Curtis is rolling over in his grave, no doubt.

[lithiumkc]

As logicalnoise said and anybody else who has taken the time to create or attempt to create electronica on a computer, ITS NOT EASY. People seem to think that the computer is some magical machine that just makes music sound finished. These people are ignorant. Midi controllers and synths take a hell of a lot of work to get the sound you want, the depth and effects are not pre-set. You create all the effects yourself most of the time. Not to mention sequencers are far, FAR more hard to use than a ****ing guitar. Jesus. People are so used to guitar that they fail to admit anything else could take skill. Fact remains, ANYONE CAN PLAY GUITAR.

Please, stop making threads dissing bands or dissing genres. It shows how much you really 'appreciate' music when you try to deflate the effort put in by the artists. Shutup and make your own music then if you have such a damn problem with it. Don't listen to it.

[franman781]

Grow up. And while you're at it read the rest of that list. Just because I like stuff that you think is crap because it's "popular".

I guess Niccolò Paganini was a poser because all the 12 year olds back in the 1700's thought he was so cute.

Expand your musical tastes beyond shi*ty computer music, with lyrics about being a heroin riddled, apathetic waste of carbon who hates God.

OWNED!!!

::Rips off shirt and starts doing cartwheels:: (http://youtube.com/watch?v=mwrKI1m-fQ8)

[Coldplayer]

I haven't heard a lot by them, but I love "Hurt". That song is freakin amazing.

[GrayInvisible]

I never heard them. Maybe they'd do better if they cut their nails.

Can anyone link a song by them considered good.

[Coldplayer]

I never heard them. Maybe they'd do better if they cut their nails.

Can anyone link a song by them considered good.

I just absolutly adore this song. It would'nt fit well in RB I guess, since the verses are only piano, but the song is amazing. One of their most famous songs I guess, Johnny Cash made a pretty good cover of it too.

NIN - Hurt
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[logicalnoise]

I never heard them. Maybe they'd do better if they cut their nails.

Can anyone link a song by them considered good.

It depends on your tatses trents stuff varies in industrial to more commercial rock depending on the album. but just type any of these titles into youtube with NIN in front

the hand that feeds you
hurt
star****er(the f word)
I want to **** like an animal(again)
survivalism(I love the track some don't)
my violent heart

thos are just the ones I remeber the titles for.

[logicalnoise]

I just absolutly adore this song. It would'nt fit well in RB I guess, since the verses are only piano, but the song is amazing. One of their most famous songs I guess, Johnny Cash made a pretty good cover of it too.


The song was never that big but Cash's cover was huge and is a fitting end to his career. Trent said it himself that he doesn't consider "hurt" his song anymore. He has his version and cash has his.

[Monsterpoptart]

i prefer nin's version of hurt, i love that song so much.

[lithiumkc]

Yeah i remember reading that trent said that. He liked cash's version so much i guess.

[Coldplayer]

I love both versions, but still prefer the NIN version.

[GrayInvisible]

I listened to it, and don't like it.

[Coldplayer]

I listened to it, and don't like it.

Too bad... :(

Maybe you should listen to Johnny Cash's version (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmVAWKfJ4Go) then instead? Maybe you'll like it a little bit more after hearing that.

[tucsonovernite]

of course music is subjective but yeah....puttin' down NIN but proppin up AFI surprises me too.....oh and have you seen reznor lately? hope he's not reading this thread cause he's got some guns on him these days! dude must be doing his pushups

[bounchfx]

NIN is sick. The Downward Spiral and The Fragile are my personal favorites.. stay away from with teeth

[Supergeek]

God... back in the day i used to insult other peoples music when they put it on. Then i realized how god damned annoying it is when other people do it to yours. I don't even listen to NIN that much but I do like the songs i've heard, I think trent reznor is quite creative. I'd like to see newway or anybody else put together the industrial side of the music that they do on the computer.
That is the truth. Understanding that other people may like something that you don't like, and IT IS OKAY for people to have differences in taste is part of maturity.

[Rev0lver]

i don't care what trent says. johnny cash's version was a piece of **** and was only considered good because he was old and soon died.

but the best NIN song, in my opinion, is Ruiner

edit: here's an awesome FF7 video with that song
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[Nitz13]

That is the truth. Understanding that other people may like something that you don't like, and IT IS OKAY for people to have differences in taste is part of maturity.

I 100% Agree, these forums are filled with, "this band is ****"
and there's no real reasons given just a bunch of morons who don't like a particular band decide they are ****, some people need to grow up

[lithiumkc]

I 100% Agree, these forums are filled with, "this band is ****"
and there's no real reasons given just a bunch of morons who don't like a particular band decide they are ****, some people need to grow up

Well im extremely glad there are other people on the boards who share this opinion with me. Ive been getting sick of all the badmouthing just for the sake of badmouthing.

Music isn't something that was created for YOU. Music is for everybody. And not everybody likes what YOU listen to. Why is that so hard for some people to comprehend?

Oh yeah, because they're stupid enough to be a music snob in the first place.

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

You're complaining about music that is offbeat? Music that sucks even though it is artistic expression and genius? While you're entitled to your own opinion, I am also entitled to mine. I believe that if the artist (or band as a whole) is happy with their work, you have to give them for respect for selling millions and millions of albums worldwide.


That means N Sync and Hillary Duff get undeserved respect, right? Well, go wait in that line. Im gonna go listen to some real music while you are at it.

[Rev0lver]

although i disagree with newwaytodie, did you ever stop and think there might be a point to badmouthing?

[lithiumkc]

although i disagree with newwaytodie, did you ever stop and think there might be a point to badmouthing?

Its that there is a difference between not liking something and badmouthing it. Badmouthing it is negatively lashing out about it. Disliking it is 'I don't like that'.

Newway is just mouthing off about something he doesn't like. To go to the extent as to make a TOPIC about a band you don't like, in a forum meant for suggesting types of music to put in the game, thats just lame. Thats just trying to piss people off.

Same goes for when somebody said they liked Duran Duran and he said they fail at life. He doesn't like the band so he insults the person listening to it.

Thats called immaturity my friends.

[Rev0lver]

but that person does fail at life.

[lithiumkc]

but that person does fail at life.

Well I think AFI is crap, so newwaytodie fails at life too. In fact he fails at life tens of times over because I don't like a lot of the music he listens to.

Maybe I should make a thread for every band he likes that I think sucks. Would that be productive? Does it even serve any purpose except to get attention and stir **** up? No. So why even bother is the question.

[Nitz13]

Well I think AFI is crap, so newwaytodie fails at life too. In fact he fails at life tens of times over because I don't like a lot of the music he listens to.

Maybe I should make a thread for every band he likes that I think sucks. Would that be productive? Does it even serve any purpose except to get attention and stir **** up? No. So why even bother is the question.

well, you know, people like newway are just idiots who'd be willing to debate that AFI is better than NIN for hours on end... Which makes it pointless really, I try to just ignore people like him

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

Pissing people off and being a nuisance its a pretty good purpose I think. I try to make myself as indesirable and annoying as I can. Its a hard job, but one must strive for triumph.

Yeah, neway has a lot of bands he likes that I think are a waste of organic matter, but then again, has much more that just make the world much better.

We all look for different things, so even if two people have similar tastes, eventually one will like something the other doesnt. Even the things two people like, they like it for different reasons.

But anyway, its the internet, and making a thread to insult someone else's tastes is a click of a button a way, so nobody is really going through any trouble at all.

[GrayInvisible]

but that person does fail at life.

Hey what did I do?

[cmg4894]

I'm not going to bash any band. I don't care if you listen to 30 Second to the Disco, Fallout Rejects or who ever is big right now. Here is the thing, NIN is the ****. HANDS DOWN. 'March of the Pigs', 'Closer', 'Head Like A Hole' are great. You see, newwaytodie when you were still in diapers there was a thing called Woodstock '94. Not as great as the first but no where near as bad as '99. I didn't go but MTV had most of it on TV. NIN played and every song was great. I was thinking that I should have gotten a ticket and gone after seeing them play.

[Keagan2387]

Well I think AFI is crap, so newwaytodie fails at life too. In fact he fails at life tens of times over because I don't like a lot of the music he listens to.

Maybe I should make a thread for every band he likes that I think sucks. Would that be productive? Does it even serve any purpose except to get attention and stir **** up? No. So why even bother is the question.

You my friend are a very wise man, and seem to have a very stable outlook on music. (Thumbs Up)

As for people dissing.
NIN is great, Trent Reznor is a genius. Ok since you want to question his ability. You make the beats. You make the Riffs. You make the basslines. You make the drum beats. You write the lyrics. If you knew the whole story behind year zero it isn't just a load of crap. He did some crazy **** with it. Making the whole concept of it. Making MP3's to go along with the story (which were creepy as hell). Hell he even made the presence on my violent heart through static noises so it would show up on a spectrometer. He came up with the idea to make the letters on the tour shirts different spelling out IAMTRYINGTOBELIEVE which led people to crazy sites that just kept coming. He leaked songs through usb drives found in bathrooms. I wouldn't go questioning his genius when you can't even prove your own. As for no musicianship, go see them live, they put on a helluva show. Or if you dont feel like doing that go pick up the latest live dvd, Beside you in time. Its simply amazing and they put on one of the best rock shows today.

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

I'm not going to bash any band. I don't care if you listen to 30 Second to the Disco, Fallout Rejects or who ever is big right now. Here is the thing, NIN is the ****. HANDS DOWN. 'March of the Pigs', 'Closer', 'Head Like A Hole' are great. You see, newwaytodie when you were still in diapers there was a thing called Woodstock '94. Not as great as the first but no where near as bad as '99. I didn't go but MTV had most of it on TV. NIN played and every song was great. I was thinking that I should have gotten a ticket and gone after seeing them play.

Look whos talking about diapers. Wacken Open Air kicks Woodstock's ass!

[GrayInvisible]

You my friend are a very wise man, and seem to have a very stable outlook on music. (Thumbs Up)

As for people dissing.
NIN is great, Trent Reznor is a genius. Ok since you want to question his ability. You make the beats. You make the Riffs. You make the basslines. You make the drum beats. You write the lyrics. If you knew the whole story behind year zero it isn't just a load of crap. He did some crazy **** with it. Making the whole concept of it. Making MP3's to go along with the story (which were creepy as hell). Hell he even made the presence on my violent heart through static noises so it would show up on a spectrometer. He came up with the idea to make the letters on the tour shirts different spelling out IAMTRYINGTOBELIEVE which led people to crazy sites that just kept coming. He leaked songs through usb drives found in bathrooms. I wouldn't go questioning his genius when you can't even prove your own. As for no musicianship, go see them live, they put on a helluva show. Or if you dont feel like doing that go pick up the latest live dvd, Beside you in time. Its simply amazing and they put on one of the best rock shows today.

I remember the RIAA tried to get the sites running it shut down because there were leaked tracks (Leaked on purpose).

[viru30]

Honestly, the thing that draws me away from NIN is Trent's voice. I HAVE listened to they're older stuff throughout the generations, and Trent's voice hasn't changed a single bit, still keeping his VERY BLAND and dark vocal stylings. I respect the fact that these guys are trying to make a statement, but to me, the entertainment value in NIN's music is very low, and seems to be for apathetic or sadistic people.

Listen to March of The Pigs. Probably they're only song that's not bland-sounding

[newwaytodie]

I just started this thread to see how many people don't like NIN. Why do you have to come in and start saying how I fail at life?

In your happy clappy world of f*cking rainbows and sunshine, everyone should love everything that you love.. because you are so awesome and you are never wrong about anything. You are SOOOO f*cking wise about anything related to music that I should bow before your genius and kiss your feet.

By thee way... industrial/techno/electronica does take some amount of skill. But it takes more than that. It takes a SH*TLOAD of money! To buy all the mixers, midi sequencers, programs, keyboards, samplers, and other stuff. So guess what? No, I can't do it because I am totally poor. I don't live with mommy and daddy like you and I have had to bust my ass for everything I have in my life.

I don't even want to argue with you about anything anymore because you are so f*ckin whiny about every damn thing! It was never my intention to start a debate with you about how AFI sucks. If it was, I would have made a goddamn thread called "AFI SUCKS!"

FURTHERMORE, IF I MADE A THREAD STATING THAT AFI WAS AWESOME, YOU'D COME AND START MOUTHING OFF ABOUT HOW THEY SUCK!!!! You're the hypocrite jackass!

F*ck you and your f*cking sheltered suburbanite white bread existance.

[lithiumkc]

I just started this thread to see how many people don't like NIN. Why do you have to come in and start saying how I fail at life?
LOL AT IRONY [check duran duran thread]


In your happy clappy world of f*cking rainbows and sunshine, everyone should love everything that you love.. because you are so awesome and you are never wrong about anything. You are SOOOO f*cking wise about anything related to music that I should bow before your genius and kiss your feet.
LOL AT YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT [Nobody is saying you have to love everything they love. Just dont mouth off bands you don't like simply because you don't like them and above all else you love attention and want people to gasp in awe at your musical taste]


By thee way... industrial/techno/electronica does take some amount of skill. But it takes more than that. It takes a SH*TLOAD of money! To buy all the mixers, midi sequencers, programs, keyboards, samplers, and other stuff. So guess what? No, I can't do it because I am totally poor. I don't live with mommy and daddy like you and I have had to bust my ass for everything I have in my life.
LOL AT NO IT DOESNT, i make the same **** just fine and i ****ing didnt pay a cent for any of the programs or loops i use



I don't even want to argue with you about anything anymore because you are so f*ckin whiny about every damn thing! It was never my intention to start a debate with you about how AFI sucks. If it was, I would have made a goddamn thread called "AFI SUCKS!"

You idiot, your intention was simply to piss people off with your narrow-minded opinion. Don't act like you were doing anything else. Otherwise please enlighten me to your brilliant ulterior motives to this thread.


FURTHERMORE, IF I MADE A THREAD STATING THAT AFI WAS AWESOME, YOU'D COME AND START MOUTHING OFF ABOUT HOW THEY SUCK!!!! You're the hypocrite jackass!

BULL****. At least I can personally say I have never done that on anybody elses 'I love [insert band name]' thread.


F*ck you and your f*cking sheltered suburbanite white bread existance.

LOL AT GENERALIZING

This post just totally proves how phony and egocentric you really are. You fail to see that what you are claiming everybody else is doing, is exactly what YOU are doing. I haven't once told you to LISTEN or ENJOY NiN. I haven't once told you to listen to anything. I've asked you to stop mouthing off other peoples music. Thats all you've been doing for the past few days. You fail to recognize that, and if you're gonna try to turn it around and say I'M trying to change YOUR musical tastes, then maybe you need to re-read these threads.

IMO, you need to grow up, mature a bit, and then look back on this thread and think 'Ohhh so thats what they meant'

[newwaytodie]

BULL****. At least I can personally say I have never done that on anybody elses 'I love [insert band name]' thread.

Oh yeah?


Dragon Force Suck. I'm Surprised People Listen To That Crap...


........qft

No, you're right, you don't bust into peoples threads and say thier music sucks. you just quote other people who do. So you're a f*cking coward and a liar.

[lithiumkc]

Oh yeah?





No, you're right, you don't bust into peoples threads and say thier music sucks. you just quote other people who do. So you're a f*cking coward and a liar.

GJ you picked out one misstep. One, out of the several points I just raised. Just like in the RPC1000 thread where you picked out ONE sentence out of the entire post. I am surprised people listen to dragonforce. Its not exactly catchy or anything. But I also don't go out of my way to go

DRAGONFORCE SUCKS... Hmmm.. I should really make a thread on this in the most popular forum on the boards, even though it's completely unrelated to the forum itself. Plus, I shall add a black and white poll to it, you must pick yes or no. Then I will get defensive when people disagree with me because I am right and they are all wrong. Oh yeah and if I can't think of anything to reply with when I get stuck in a corner, I'll try to validify my side by pulling a 3 letter post out of my ass and therefore completely destroy his argument.

Pffff.. Go away. Or at least please reply to every other thing I said in my last post. Otherwise.. fail. But yeah, cling on to that one post I made for dear life buddy, because it's the only thing you got going for you right now.

[newwaytodie]

I had you pegged as a hypocrite, and I was right. The truth hurts doesn't it?

Sorry but I'm no longer dignifying you with a response. You're a liar and a coward and you deserve none of my respect.

[lithiumkc]

I had you pegged as a hypocrite, and I was right. The truth hurts doesn't it?

Sorry but I'm no longer dignifying you with a response. You're a liar and a coward and you deserve none of my respect.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Cop out of the highest degree. But yeah have it your way. Don't 'dignify' me with a response [More ego]. In other words you can't think of anything to say to 90 percent of what I've been writing, and you act like one post undermines the entire message I was relaying. Too bad it doesn't.

The truth hurts, doesn't it?

[monlienNH3]

I don't mean to break up the fabulous argument above, but I just wanted to respectfully disagree with the OP. Like some others have already stated, Trent is an amazing recording artist/engineer. Some people don't like his voice: fine. Some people don't like his appearance: fine. Some people don't understand his music: okay. But to say it sucks is different than saying you don't like it or appreciate it.

Just because an artist doesn't show his guitar abililty on his album doesn't mean he couldn't play just as good as "insert favorite guitar player". I used to to think Billy Corgan (Smashing Pumpkins) wasn't that great at guitar until I saw him play live - where he ripped through an incredible solo for quite a while (some of this can be seen on the Smashing Pumpkins Vieuphoria Live DVD). I don't personally know how good Trent is at guitar, but I know he's pretty awesome at putting a song together. Unlike the other NIN fans on the forum, I actually think his latest work is some of his best - but my favorite NIN album is still Pretty Hate Machine.

I know this is a forum, so feel free to post you opinions, but expect some negative responses especially when you go as far as saying "'insert someone's favorite band' sucks." Just remember that music is probably the most subjective artform there is. People hate a lot of music, and people love a lot of music. As long as there is skill involved somewhere: whether it be artistically, musically, lyrically, or from a production standpoint, there is going to be an opinion on both sides. Flame me all you want: but I may be the only person on Earth who kind of likes the song Yes We Can - although I can see why it causes such a stir when placed in a game called Guitar Hero.

[newwaytodie]

Oh I do expect people to fire back when I say that their favorite band (or whatever the hell NIN is) sucks.

What I don't like are people that think that their opinion matters so much that they think it is fact. And thereby trying to influence others into believing what they want them to believe.

Just stay the course people, don't conform to others opinions. Like what you like and I'll like what I like. I'll say it again, I just wanted to see how many people did NOT like NIN.

[lithiumkc]

Oh I do expect people to fire back when I say that their favorite band (or whatever the hell NIN is) sucks.
What I don't like are people that think that their opinion matters so much that they think it is fact. And thereby trying to influence others into believing what they want them to believe.

Wow... Do you even read what I type? Do you even read what YOU type? You are the one trying to influence others. You're the one stating a huge mouthy opinion on a band trying to detract from their musicianship. Its not even an opinion on music I'm giving you, it's an opinion on your overall attitude. For the last time I'm not trying to
A. influence you into listening to my music
B. force my opinion on you
C. tell you to like NiN

I'm saying... don't make pointless threads just to stir up ****. Don't make entire threads bashing music you don't like. Music isn't about bad feelings dude, it's about finding something you like and enjoying it.

Why is that so hard for you to comprehend? Or are you just refusing to admit that you comprehend it.


Just stay the course people, don't conform to others opinions. Like what you like and I'll like what I like. I'll say it again, I just wanted to see how many people did NOT like NIN.
What the hell is the point in seeing how many people like/dislike a band? So you can influence people into not liking them based on your poll results? Wouldn't that just be going back on what you said in the last quote? Thats about the most childish and ridiculous thing i've seen on these boards so far.

[newwaytodie]

/ignore........

[lithiumkc]

/ignore........

Still not 'dignifying me with a response' eh...

Or just can't think of a single point to back up what you're saying. Please if you will, show me how I'm trying to push my opinion on you. Oh yeah, you can't, because nowhere in this thread have I tried to get you to like NiN, and you know it. You also know I'm right in almost everything i said last page, or you at least have absolutely nothing half-decent to respond with. And that's why you wont respond. Otherwise, since I already know you're just as argumentative as me, you would still be debating with me right now.

It's an easy way out to avoid somebody who argues smart, isn't it.

[sa_nick]

Lithium wins. By ignoring fact newwaytoadie has accepted his defeat.

and lol @ the AFI thread.

[lithiumkc]

Lithium wins. By ignoring fact newwaytoadie has accepted his defeat.

and lol @ the AFI thread.

http://fp.enter.net/~jkool/images/MK/MK%20Gifs/fatality.gif

[GrayInvisible]

I respect NIN, but their music just doesn't sound good.

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

I dont give a **** that NIN works hard at their music? So what? That doesnt make it good. People work hard. That doesnt mean what they are doing is any good. I think all industrial music sucks balls. I mean, the very name, industrial, means it sucks. Means its rehashed, repackaged, re-released, they have to convince in every possible way in order for you to buy it.

And yes, it matters that you play instruments wel, and show you play well on albums. If you dont do that, then you are wasting your time as a musician. Like the band Staind and all the alternative freaks. They may know how to play guitar. I dont know, cuz that crap they vomit every album sure says otherwise.

[Rev0lver]

i don't care how hard NIN works or not. i love their music itself.

[Keagan2387]

I dont give a **** that NIN works hard at their music? So what? That doesnt make it good. People work hard. That doesnt mean what they are doing is any good. I think all industrial music sucks balls. I mean, the very name, industrial, means it sucks. Means its rehashed, repackaged, re-released, they have to convince in every possible way in order for you to buy it.

And yes, it matters that you play instruments wel, and show you play well on albums. If you dont do that, then you are wasting your time as a musician. Like the band Staind and all the alternative freaks. They may know how to play guitar. I dont know, cuz that crap they vomit every album sure says otherwise.

Again another metal head dissing music. Ah all the open minded people here is so amazing.

[fragpirate]

bah, NIN is just... boring.
i can never understand what the hell is going on... its just.... egh. i dont understand the appeal.

[_LividRose_]

I think 50 cats yoweling while sharpening their claws on a chalkboard would be more sensational than NIN.

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

Again another metal head dissing music. Ah all the open minded people here is so amazing.

I am open minded about mostly everything. Music? No, if you listen to crap, I have no trouble telling that to anyone.

As a metalhead...what can I say, we take our music seriously. Yes, we can be dicks and jerks half the time, but Ill tell you a little something: in my life, the only people that Ive listened to talk music, I mean, ACTUALLY talk music, are metalheads. Its not talking about what the guys wear, or how they look, or anything. i mean actually talking about music, discussing it. So, I guess we are not that much whatever you think we are.

And NIN sucks, and you dont have to be a metalhead to know it.

And, well said Livid Rose.

[newwaytodie]

As a metalhead...what can I say, we take our music seriously. Yes, we can be dicks and jerks half the time, but Ill tell you a little something: in my life, the only people that Ive listened to talk music, I mean, ACTUALLY talk music, are metalheads. Its not talking about what the guys wear, or how they look, or anything. i mean actually talking about music, discussing it.

Apart from classical, most conversations about music that I've heard from people who don't like metal are along the lines of:

"This TOTALLY rocks!"
"This new joint IS DA BOMB YO!"
"(insert band) deserves respect because they pioneered (insert genre)"
"(insert vocalist) is such AN AMAZING singer!!"
"DIS NEW JOINT BE BLOWIN UP DA CLUB!"

And no mention of music in any way. You know, notes arranged in a composition? Music?

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

Sure, I practically know **** about music, but I can explain why I like a song, tell you in a kind of rational way why symphonic metal is symphonic not exactly because of the use of orchestral sounds...stuff like that.

Its interesting to add that many times people say "he pioneered this...", they probably have never heard what it is that which whoever pioneered lol

[Daywalker69]

I enjoyed the Downward Spiral. The new album strays too far to the noise side if you ask me.

[Rev0lver]

yeah, alot of people get turned off by With_Teeth and Year Zero. theres 2 songs i like in both those albums combined, but in the downward spiral the first 8 tracks+hurt are some of my favorite songs by any band.

[fragpirate]

chocolate rain.

some stay dry while others feel the pain, chocolate rain!

[logicalnoise]

Many people love or dislike NIN. I think think the music is brillant but it's not just the music I respect look at what trent has done with this latest album.
1) Created by him and his own hired team of software developers an entire online alternate reality game that strings together the narrative of year zero.
2) Has put up the majority fo the tracks on year zero on his website for free listening as well as full remix packs with high quality seperate tracks and mix files for several major music suites.
I mean even if you don't like his music you have to admit Trent is a f'n artist. I mean he basically is done with selling albums after his contract is up he'll be pretty much selling cds for cheap on his website and just living off of live gigs and side projects.

[tmanrocks]

I'm ****ing awestruck that a NIN hate thread got this long

NIN has a couple sweet songs , but mostly they are pretty bad... I heard about 1/3rd of their new album and was like WTF IS THIS?

Yeah........

[fragpirate]

y'know, i find them extremely comparable to Made In Mexico.

[alfonso234]

I think it is funny that in the beginning of this thread there were so many people who hated nin but then they ran into a brick wall of people who like nin and they could not take down that wall.i say nin stands tall in the music industry and they will keep standing.



IF YOU DO NOT LIKE NIN DONT COMPLAIN JUST DONT LISTEN TO THE MUSIC IF YOU HATE IT.GET A LIFE INSTEAD OF RALLYING A BUNCH OF PEOPLE TO HATE A SONG-FONZ

lol just noticed look at the lead in the polls you got destroyed haters.

[newwaytodie]

Well, NIN stands tall in my list of crap that I will not ever listen to. There's just so much more out there that is better to listen to. Why waste my time on NIN?

It's not about taking down a wall of people that like sh*tty music. Go right ahead and pollute your ears with that garbage.

[lithiumkc]

Well, NIN stands tall in my list of crap that I will not ever listen to. There's just so much more out there that is better to listen to. Why waste my time on NIN?

It's not about taking down a wall of people that like sh*tty music. Go right ahead and pollute your ears with that garbage.

I will, and you go right ahead and pollute yours with 80 percent of the bands on your profile page :)

[GrayInvisible]

I think 50 cats yoweling while sharpening their claws on a chalkboard would be more sensational than NIN.

I love you.

[MrGrieves]

NIN is good band.

The Downward Spiral and Pretty Hate Machine were great albums.

I definetily want 'mr self destruct', 'head like a hole' and 'march of the pigs' on RockBand

[Corvian]

I think some people should actually try to LISTEN to music instead of just using it as soundtrack for their daily walk to the toilet.

Anyway
I have no problem if someone says that he/she doesn't like a certain musician or band but claiming that NIN is "crap" proves nothing more than the obvious lack of understanding for music.

I personally do not like Mozart, I don't like the Rolling Stones and I can't stand Metallica but I would never say that they are crap because it would obviously not be true. I think you get the idea...

[Rookieste]

lithium and newwaytodie are ****ing hilarious, lithium you say people are allowed their opinion, but you couldn't wait to come in and have your say, if your cool with peoples musical tastes thats fine, but don't come in here preaching your holier than thou when your just looking for a chance to ***** on someone, if you just ignored newwaytodie would this topic have even lasted long I doubt it. And newwaytodie stfu ;)

[xenopherus]

Nine Inch Nails? Are they still around? They had a couple good songs... The names I can't remember. I always thought NIN was very over-rated. And the whole reason (well, for me anyway) to rip into a band or type of music, is because it gets so infuriating when so many people are fauning over it and it's clear it sucks. NIN is one of these bands. I wish I had the money to afford some fancy sound editing software. I could prove once and for all any Joe Schlub can make that type of music. The only abilities I need are the ability to read the instructions and control a computer mouse. Since I have those capabilities already, all I need is the software...

[TheFaction77]

This has to do with rock band how again?

[Americo]

It depends on your tatses trents stuff varies in industrial to more commercial rock depending on the album. but just type any of these titles into youtube with NIN in front

the hand that feeds you
hurt
star****er(the f word)
I want to **** like an animal(again)
survivalism(I love the track some don't)
my violent heart

thos are just the ones I remeber the titles for.Please give the correct song titles! :eek:

It's "The Hand That Feeds" with no "You" at the end, "I Want to **** You Like an Animal" is actually called "Closer", and the complete title is "Star****ers, Inc."

[lithiumkc]

lithium and newwaytodie are ****ing hilarious, lithium you say people are allowed their opinion, but you couldn't wait to come in and have your say, if your cool with peoples musical tastes thats fine, but don't come in here preaching your holier than thou when your just looking for a chance to ***** on someone, if you just ignored newwaytodie would this topic have even lasted long I doubt it. And newwaytodie stfu ;)

Lol, how was I looking for a chance to ***** with him? I disagreed with his mouthing off other peoples music so I called him on it. He was doing it all the time last week and it was starting to piss me off. He didn't have a leg to stand on so why not make him look like a fool when he deserves it.


I wish I had the money to afford some fancy sound editing software. I could prove once and for all any Joe Schlub can make that type of music. The only abilities I need are the ability to read the instructions and control a computer mouse. Since I have those capabilities already, all I need is the software...
What gives people the idea that DAW's are click-of-a-mouse programs? Theyre not. You need to be able to work in the synths. You need to create beats from scratch. You need to figure out the effects to get the sound you want. You need to sequence the tracks in perfect order. You need to get the levels absolutely PERFECT or it will sound like ****. Plus about a hundred other things to take into consideration. Seriously, if you think that electronica/industrial is so easy then I will gladly fulfill your wish and send you several programs that you can use, for free, and I'd like to see your progress in about a year. Really. Send me a PM and I'll send you the installers and several hundred loops and we'll see if you can walk the walk buddy.

[Rev0lver]

lithiumkc, if they don't want those programs, you can, you know send them to me... just letting you know...

[lithiumkc]

lithiumkc, if they don't want those programs, you can, you know send them to me... just letting you know...

:D gladly.. I prefer Acid Pro as it's advanced enough that you can make some really cool stuff, but basic enough that its easy to learn. Reason 3.0 is another one used more for effects [hard and soft synths, beatmappers, chorus, delay, reverb and what have you] and has an amazing looking interface. If anybody wants to mess around with any of these just PM me and I'll help you out.

It gives you a LOT more respect for electronica artists, and you won't be saying 'All I need is a mouse and some programs and I can do that too' :)

[Rev0lver]

i can't pm people on these forums, something messed up with my confirmation email and i can't do anything but post here. but my email is Cumbersome60@yahoo.com and aim is Cumbersome60. whatever works for you.

[PinkFloyd]

First of all; starting a thread to expose your hate against band/artist X is just downright pathetic

Second of all; all the bands in your setlist are not only wannabe NIN-bands, they are also over-produced, clean sounding teen-pop bands with "an edge to make them sound dangerous". 30 secs to mars? More like a 30 secs to little Jessica's bedroomwall as a posterboy.

Third: Trent Reznor and NIN are around longer than any of your prefered bands, and has always produced himself. Not only that, Reznor is the only musician I know of who has high commercial success without selling out. For instance: He was invited to play The Hand That Feeds during the MTV Awards. His only condition was that he could play it in front of a picture of GW Bush and the American flag. MTV said no and Trent said bye.

Fourth and final: If you think NiN sounds like ****, try playing March of the Pigs. I dare you. You wouldn't last 3 notes.

[FatWilma]

u know what, screw it...i'm just gonna start a thread for every single band i don't like just to see everyone's reaction. yeah, that sounds awesome!

...oh wait, everyone else has done that already, damn. oh well.

[newwaytodie]

First of all; starting a thread to expose your hate against band/artist X is just downright pathetic

Second of all; all the bands in your setlist are not only wannabe NIN-bands, they are also over-produced, clean sounding teen-pop bands with "an edge to make them sound dangerous". 30 secs to mars? More like a 30 secs to little Jessica's bedroomwall as a posterboy.

Third: Trent Reznor and NIN are around longer than any of your prefered bands, and has always produced himself. Not only that, Reznor is the only musician I know of who has high commercial success without selling out. For instance: He was invited to play The Hand That Feeds during the MTV Awards. His only condition was that he could play it in front of a picture of GW Bush and the American flag. MTV said no and Trent said bye.

Fourth and final: If you think NiN sounds like ****, try playing March of the Pigs. I dare you. You wouldn't last 3 notes.

Are you saying that NIN is over produced? YES
NIN have been around longer than my prefferred bands? NO
Has Trent Reznor sold out? YES (He's on a record label that gouges his fans and does nothing)
March Of The Pigs. Music editing software can make anything seemingly harder. YES

[cmg4894]

Are you saying that NIN is over produced? YES
NIN have been around longer than my prefferred bands? NO
Has Trent Reznor sold out? YES (He's on a record label that gouges his fans and does nothing)
March Of The Pigs. Music editing software can make anything seemingly harder. YES

I'm not going to bash you here (It's been done enough) but I have to correct you.

NIN is over produced: Kind of. Reznor is way too much a perfectionist. NIN is not so much over produced as a little to 'perfect'. There are not flaws in any song. Over produced are acts with no talent (Don't start) that have tricks done to make them sound good.

NIN have been around longer than my prefferred bands: I scanned your list. MOST of it are newer bands. Not all and I do like some of them but NIN has been around for almost 20 years now.

Has Trent Reznor sold out: Huh? SO..being on a record label makes you a sell out? EVERY record label gouges the artists fans. That is not new.

March Of The Pigs: That song was out so early in the digital recording life that if it was done this way it would have been harder than doing it 'old school'. BTW, it was done the 'old school' way.

[lithiumkc]

Are you saying that NIN is over produced? YES
NIN have been around longer than my prefferred bands? NO
Has Trent Reznor sold out? YES (He's on a record label that gouges his fans and does nothing)
March Of The Pigs. Music editing software can make anything seemingly harder. YES

Offers still up newway, I have several 'expensive' audio editing programs I will gladly send you and you can show me all your masterpieces after you get the hang of them.

Seriously. Free. Walk the walk.

[lithiumkc]

Anyways since I know you won't take me up on that, I might as well give you the closest thing. Screencaps of a couple. Figure out how 'click of a button' these are based on these pictures. The first 3 are what make up a 2 minute, basic, ****ty demo song included with the program, called 'Reason'.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/LithiumKC94/pic2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/LithiumKC94/pic1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/LithiumKC94/pic3.jpg

SO STRAIGHTFORWARD AND EZ. You can tell Trent must have tons of fun pushing the 'Make it sound good' button with this badboy, as it doesn't require any effort, skill, or practice at all. /EYEROLLS

p.s. I could only take screencaps of one small portion of reason at a time. See the scroll bar on the right side... Not only are 70 percent of the machines minimized, but there are 21 seperate machines running either simultaneously or on and off. There are 30 unique machines in that program altogether. You are looking at two of them. SO EZ.

This one is called Acid Pro, which is a lot more userfriendly and used mostly to sequence. You would run Reason as a 'slave' to acid, for soft or hard synths, drum beats, whatever sound you want to make recording in Acid for your track.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/LithiumKC94/pic4.jpg

Acid is more straightforward than reason, but even after a LOT of use, I can still only master the basics. I can put together tracks, I sync them up well, but this takes extreme amounts of time and you're basically putting in tons of effort to come up with total CRAP as an end result. Its fun to do, but unless you actually have a lot of time, youre not going anywhere with it.

So please. Enough of this BS 'His computer makes it easy' propaganda. You have never tried or seen these programs. I have. I fully comprehend that it takes a hell of a lot of time and effort to be able to UNDERSTAND these programs, let alone create good songs with them. Guitar on the other hand... 6 strings, 24 frets. Pretty damn straightforward.

Now stop making up excuses. It makes it 'seemingly harder' because it is a thousand leagues more complex than a guitar. That is the ultimate truth of the matter.

[lithiumkc]

As a side note, Reason is an amazingly cool program. It's made to recreate actual machines, as you can tell by the graphics and detail. The cords actually move and sway when you grab them as if you're grabbing real cords. It's got a mixer board and any other related audio board you can think of pretty much. So it's not even as if you're using a 'program' so to speak, it's a digital visual representation of actual machines, patch cords, warning labels, switches and all. Very sweetness.

[fragpirate]

yeah sure editing programs are complicated but they are far from playing actual music in a talented manner.
they still fail to impress me.

[lithiumkc]

yeah sure editing programs are complicated but they are far from playing actual music in a talented manner.
they still fail to impress me.

Awww. I'm sorry you have a closed minded view on music and think that instruments are the only things that require skill. I'm sorry you can't enjoy other forms of music. That's too bad. DJ's do these things live, in a talented manner, all the time. But you know, it's not a GUITAR so it must be easy.

They require all the musical talent and the ear that playing an instrument does. Some people are not as adept with their fingers as others. Does that mean we look down on them if they create in other ways?

Apparently so, if you're fragpirate.

Goodnight, logic, you have no place here.

[newwaytodie]

You have never tried or seen these programs.

Actually I have. It is very complicated. But I'd rather master an instrument than a computer program.

I just don't like NIN.

[newwaytodie]

And anyway.... get off the NIN crap Celldweller is way better.

[battle_axe_of_doom]

yeah i have huge respect for "electronic" musicians but i don't like NIN either.

[PinkFloyd]

And anyway.... get off the NIN crap Celldweller is way better.

from your profile page:


NOT ROCK
Fairies, Rainbows, Lucky Charms, summer, pointlessly arguing with people about music.

I guess you don't rock :)

From your signature:

This is Rock Band, not Whine Band!

From your profile:

30 Seconds To Mars, After Forever, H.I.M., Bullet for my Valentine, My Chemical Romance, Nightwish, P.O.D.

I LOL'd

[lithiumkc]

Please, let's not bring logic into this. Contradictory statements vs actions mean nothing on a forum... bahaha

Anyways I'd like to make a quicky song using those programs when I have time. Might upload it or something.

[FatWilma]

from your profile page:


I guess you don't rock :)

From your signature:


From your profile:


I LOL'd

oh snap. u just got served!

[BarryC]

Expand your musical tastes beyond shi*ty computer music, with lyrics about being a heroin riddled, apathetic waste of carbon who hates God.

We'll do that as soon as you grow up and stop liking the new boy bands of current.

[newwaytodie]

Yeah good job at sniping out 4 or 5 bands out of a list of that many. All to make yourself seem cooler? That's just a small sampling of what I listen to regularly.

Last time I checked, I was entitled to an opinion and I am able to freely express that opinion in a public forum. Despite your obvious disapproval.

I don't even care anymore. Moderators: please delete this thread. It's really starting to go in circles.

[DShizzle1029]

Nine Inch Nails is my favorite band ever. Reznor is god of industrial rock...

[psyborg]

The year 1994 called, it wants its idiotic rant back.

Seriously have you seen NIN lately? or heard their music? most of the lyrics in the last few years are about politics and hes built as ****, not to mention; what the hell is wrong with painting your nails black and hating god? ;)

Edit: and where the hell did this even come from? you just wanted to randomly bring up Nine Inch Nails to insult their style from more than ten years ago? mental problems?

[newwaytodie]

http://reznormix.ytmnd.com/

[Saltines]

Yeah good job at sniping out 4 or 5 bands out of a list of that many. All to make yourself seem cooler? That's just a small sampling of what I listen to regularly.

Last time I checked, I was entitled to an opinion and I am able to freely express that opinion in a public forum. Despite your obvious disapproval.

I don't even care anymore. Moderators: please delete this thread. It's really starting to go in circles.

Didn't you get all huffy because people were making fun of your idol Herman Li??

Direct quotes from that thread.


If you're going to be a dick and make fun of people, then you deserve to be made fun of as well. Clearly your opinion doesn't mean **** anyway because dragonforce are selling tons of records and laughing at lame ass psuedo-critics like you.

Hmm?


Some people sit around and ***** and whine on online forums. Other people actually make music.

You tell me which is more pathetic.
Mmhmm


Criticizing someones playing style is a moot point unless you have mastered your own playing style.

That's my point. I'm not saying you're not allowed to have an opinion. Everyone's going to have an opinion about something, but opinions are like *******s. Everyone's got one and the all stink.

I just find it to be highly irritating for people who don't know a damn thing about guitar, or music in general, to judge and criticize someone in a non-constructive manner.

Add something positive like "he should implement more diverse scales in his solos" or "he should bend pitches more to add some color". But you can't add anything positive because

YOU DON'T KNOW SH*T!

This one kinda goes off point but is still quite funny after seeing this thread.


Yeah but you obviously like slayer.. And musically they are atrocious. Worse than DF to be sure. So whats your point?

I just added that one for fun.

[battle_axe_of_doom]

i'm more loveable than toadie right :(

[newwaytodie]

What's the point of all that quoting?

Trying to say I'm pathetic for dissing Trent Reznor? He hasn't mastered an instrument. He has mastered an elaborate combination of computer programs, samplers, MIDI input devices, and loops.

Yeah Herman Li is my idol... whatvever man. You don't even know me, don't act like you do.

[battle_axe_of_doom]

actually i'm on the "i don't like nin bandwagon" but if i remember correctly at one point he actually played all the instruments in the band but i could be wrong.

[newwaytodie]

theres a difference between playing and mastering.

[battle_axe_of_doom]

yeah but you can actually make the arguement that no musician out there has mastered his instrument

[Saltines]

What's the point of all that quoting?

Trying to say I'm pathetic for dissing Trent Reznor? He hasn't mastered an instrument. He has mastered an elaborate combination of computer programs, samplers, MIDI input devices, and loops.

Yeah Herman Li is my idol... whatvever man. You don't even know me, don't act like you do.

I just find it hilarous that you started this thread whenever you said that in the herman li thread that my opinion doesnt mean **** because Dragonforce sells millions of albums.

So does NIN. Don't try to be to much of a hypocrite.

[PinkFloyd]

actually i'm on the "i don't like nin bandwagon" but if i remember correctly at one point he actually played all the instruments in the band but i could be wrong.

Trent plays drums, bass, lead guitar (mastered), keyboard / piano (mastered), and even got the triangle mastered.

Seriously, I can't understand how newwaytodie is so obsessed with hating NIN for reasons that are a) a heap of BS the size of michigan because they don't apply to NIN and b) the exact reasons why I don't like bands like MCR, POD or HIM.

[newwaytodie]

I guess you have a point there.

Maybe If I could have titled the post:

"People who in their opinion (which does not matter) who believe NIN to be sucky, please post your various views in this thread."

But thats a little too long.

[newwaytodie]

Trent plays drums, bass, lead guitar (mastered), keyboard / piano (mastered), and even got the triangle mastered.


Oh God, you did NOT just say Trent Reznor mastered the Piano, and Guitar.

[newwaytodie]

There is one instrument he has mastered.

http://reznormix.ytmnd.com/

The electric blender.

[DShizzle1029]

Trent Reznor professionally plays guitar...and he is a master of the piano...which last time I checked was an instrument.

You dont have to like NIN, but saying Trent Reznor doest know how to play an instrument is kinda like saying oranges arent orange...

[PinkFloyd]

Oh God, you did NOT just say Trent Reznor mastered the Piano, and Guitar.

Thanks for the compliment, but you don't have to call me God. That's my dad. People confuse us all the time.

And yes I did. Now what are you going to do about it?

[newwaytodie]

absolutely nothing.

[PinkFloyd]

Just one more thing I wanted to add. It's not the fact that you like or dislike NIN. I don't give a **** about what you like and dislike. I got plenty of friends who like metal and rock and other forms of guitar-music and don't like NIN.

The difference between you and them is though, the reasons you give for not liking NIN are bull**** and fundamentally untrue. Not only that, but those exact reasons can, will and MUST be applied to a bunch of the bands that you like (again, like them all you want, I don't give ****).

The reasons my friends give for not liking NIN are totally legit and understandable. Moreso, they can appreciate me and other people liking it, something you fail to do alltogether.

Owh and if you open a topic with a bandname and the word SUCKS in it, you can expect fans from all over the forum homing in and giving a piece of their mind. That blender-thingy is, old as it may be, funny the first time. The second time, it was just annoying.

My guess is that you expected to open this topic and be received like a hero, instead you get the facts handed to you one by one. Not only are you inconsequent in your train of thoughts and logic, you downright don't know what you are talking about.

[BarryC]

I'd appreciate it very much if Nine Inch Nails made it into the game, old or new stuff. It's all good to me.

Wish or Getting Smaller would kick much ass.

[lithiumkc]

newway, your views on digital audio programs is absolutely ludicrous at the very least. I don't care if you don't consider it amazing that he's MASTERED the programs. Mastering a program to create music is the same as mastering a guitar. You need a hell of a lot of practice, musical talent, inherent skill. Same as a guitar. Just because it's not a physical piece of hardwood with steel strings doesn't mean it's not music or talent and you're a joke if you say it is.

Otherwise... Herman Li is pathetic because Miles Davis absolutely mastered the trumpet. This requires not only finger and hand co-ordination but lungs and mouth. So the trumpet is a more skillful instrument to gain dexterity on as the external forces that produce the sounds are more complex than just your fingers [Lungs, breathing, complete control of diaphragm while using fingers to seperate notes, lip pressure, lip shape] and by your very own logic, this detracts from and even MINIMALIZES or AMATEURIZES Herman Li's guitar playing skills, or skill in music altogether. They are rendered lesser or worse or not skillful now because I say Miles Davis is amazing on the trumpet which is a harder instrument to master.

YOUR LOGIC FAILS AND IS EASILY REFUTED, STOP POSTING GARBAGE AND HYPOCRISY, YOU SELF RIGHTEOUS PHONY

[Rockerman]

Man what the hell is your deal?You diss NIN for looking stupid and yet you listein and like AFI and 30 seconds?NIN rulez,nuff said

[johnyringo04]

did you know that trent reznor made a lot of marilyn manson's songs and helped him become the great artist he is.

[IrisKandi]

My main beef, aside from all the posing (painting nails, dying hair, etc) is that NIN is shoddy musicianship. I'm sorry but anyone can do that sh*t. You just gotta have the right programs and hardware, and to a lesser extent the knowhow.

I haven't bothered to read the rest of this thread yet, but if you can do the same **** as Trent, please do so. I will kiss your feet.

Until any of you do anything better than him, please shut your mouth. Music doesn't fit in your narrow categories, and if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. Don't post your filth and ignorance for all the world to see either. It's childish.

[newwaytodie]

Ugh, NIN fanboys are serious ****ing business. Go away. This argument is dead.

Miles Davis is a better musician than Herman Li, anyone who says otherwise is a moron.

Bottom Line? Computers will never replace people as instruments. What I love about music is being able to put your passion and soul into every note. How the hell can you do that with pre-rendered loops, static noise, and sound effects?

And for the record my musical taste is about as wide as it can be. Am I supposed to feel threatened or lesser for liking bands that you think are "boy bands" or "trendy"? Because that's not going to happen.

You're not going to change my mind about NIN, only Trent Reznor can do that, by creating music that moves me.

[lithiumkc]

Ugh, NIN fanboys are serious ****ing business. Go away. This argument is dead.

Miles Davis is a better musician than Herman Li, anyone who says otherwise is a moron.

Automatically then herman li's music sucks, by YOUR LOGIC, going by what you've said in the thread. Herman Li has 'Mastered' the guitar, but Miles has mastered everything else other than finger/hand/eye co-ordination.



Bottom Line? Computers will never replace people as instruments. What I love about music is being able to put your passion and soul into every note. How the hell can you do that with pre-rendered loops, static noise, and sound effects?

Because THEY ARE NOT pre-rendered you idiot. Theyre created just as you would create a note on an instrument. Ever heard of a midi controller? Do you even know what these programs do? Some of them simply change the sound of the midi controller. That's it. They do not pre-determine what the notes will sound like or have pre-written beats. He is MAKING the loops he's using. Not selecting from a library like you're claiming :rolleyes:

The fact that they're represented digitally does not change the fact that they are exactly the sounds the artist is trying to make. It means these sounds are not able to be made using conventional physical means, so you have to tweak around with frequencies and EQ settings and countless other effects to get what you want. Good GOD you're ignorant.


And for the record my musical taste is about as wide as it can be. Am I supposed to feel threatened or lesser for liking bands that you think are "boy bands" or "trendy"? Because that's not going to happen.

Personally i've said nothing.


You're not going to change my mind about NIN, only Trent Reznor can do that, by creating music that moves me.
I personally don't care who you like, but your opinions on digitally produced sound and music are archaic. They're incorporated into music far more commonly now and will continue to leak in more simply by means of musical evolution.. The guitar is played out. It has nowhere else to go, as dragonforce shows. They can blast away at it but how much more can humanity do on a guitar.. NOT MUCH, we've worn it out in the past century.

This is all new technology, all new instruments and sounds at the artists liking. He just has to figure out how to get the sound he wants, just like on an instrument, and incorporate that into the song. You know, like practicing.

Quit arguing with me about this, you're wrong, and if you had half a brain you would be reading what you're saying about digital audio programs as completely stupid and are just examples to be observed of your own vindictive nature and how you 'cant afford fancy computer programs', since you've said that on several occasions in the thread.

Tough ****. Work, earn money, buy em. Until then, coming in here and whining about Trent for having these programs is ridiculous. That's like whining that Herman Li has a several thousand dollar guitar and I don't.

'I COULD PLAY LIKE HIM IF I DIDNT HAVE MAI PAWN SHOP GITAR I SWEAR ITS EZ.'

:rolleyes:

Keep hating NiN, but shut your ignorance up and quit accidentally professing it every time you post.

[newwaytodie]

But I can play like him with MY pawn shop guitar.

[lithiumkc]

But I can play like him with MY pawn shop guitar.

Yep, and other people can make music like Trent with downloaded, free software. So obviously it has nothing to do with price like you've been implying.

You are mixing up your dislike of the music with your perception on making music on the computer. It requires the same amount of musical talent. You are still creating what you hear. Just not with simply fingers and strings. I'm not even going to bother arguing anymore because you're too bullheaded to accept it, but you're wrong, and its clear to me that most people in this thread understand that.

Just get over it and give the man credit for what he does even if you dislike it.

[newwaytodie]

Like I care if people disagree with my opinion on NIN, why would I have created this thread then? I know how popular they are, I wanted to see how many people didn't agree with the hype.

[lithiumkc]

Like I care if people disagree with my opinion on NIN, why would I have created this thread then? I know how popular they are, I wanted to see how many people didn't agree with the hype.

You're still too thick to realize the difference between saying what trent does is easy/not as impressive as Herman Li's guitar skills, and saying you don't like NiN.

Read through the Beatles are Overrated thread for a similar example. 'I don't like the beatles. THEY SUCK AND WEREN'T INFLUENTIAL'

Wrong. Must be hard to see where you're going with your head so far up your ass. Maybe try taking it out and not being so closed-minded.

[lithiumkc]

And P.S. we've already gone over 'why' you made the thread. Y'know, even though your profile says you 'hate' people dissing other peoples music and such. You're full of hypocritical crap dude, don't dig a deeper hole for yourself.

[newwaytodie]

I don't like NIN, reply to that Mr. Last word.

[BarryC]

What's the point of all that quoting?

Trying to say I'm pathetic for dissing Trent Reznor? He hasn't mastered an instrument. He has mastered an elaborate combination of computer programs, samplers, MIDI input devices, and loops.

Yeah Herman Li is my idol... whatvever man. You don't even know me, don't act like you do.

Last time I checked, you didn't master the "computer programs" he used, neither could you play the amount of instruments or provide the caliber of vocals he could, ever.

You're a complete jackass. Nine Inch Nails is an awesome band and making up stupid threads like this to say you don't like one band makes one person look like a talentless hack: you.

[outofcontrol]

I don't like NIN, reply to that Mr. Last word.

who gives a crap, why dont you just stfu.

[newwaytodie]

You're the dumbass that won't let this thread die. Idiot.

[exitwound666]

nine inch nails doesnt suck... you suck...

[lithiumkc]

You're the dumbass that won't let this thread die. Idiot.

Hey, you created your own monster bud. I just don't think you expected to get so brutally mauled in it :o

[FatWilma]

haha, we need to keep this thread going for as long as we can. i feel like we can take it to the PRIMUS SUCKS level to where thats actually a compliment.

[PinkFloyd]

Just for kicks, let's talk about Bob Ezrin, who has produced KISS, Bob Dylan, Pink Floyd (including The Wall) among others, who was enlisted in the Canadian Music Hall of Fame in 2004, etc etc, cut a long story short: the man is a legend, we all can agree on that.

In a letter to the Torontoist he spills his beans about how the music industry is killing itself, with the lack of creativity and the abundance of formulatic music that all just sounds the same.

Here's the full letter:


Trent Reznor is a true visionary. He has broken and reinvented the rules of engagement on every level, from recording to touring to interacting with his fans.

He's an intensely determined person?aware and on top of everything that happens in his name, from his music to his marketing. Trent controls all things Trent. Yes, he's had help along the way, but he's the captain of the Trent ship and his career is a product of his imagination and drive. He is not manufactured, homogenized, manipulated or packaged. He is Trent?and the rest of the folks get to react.

There's a clue in here to how to run one's life as an aspiring artist. I can't tell you how many times I've been in situations where aspiring artists (as you know, I hate the designation but will grant it to a few sublimely talented folks like Trent) have created something and have had a vision that has not resonated with their "handlers" from management to producers, to the record company to even sometimes their lawyer?and have succumbed to the pressure to conform to the taste and judgment of these people at the expense of their own intuition?and have failed either immedately or ultimately because, in the end, they simply weren't distinguished enough to connect to a large group of people in a lasting way. They may have produced a "hit song" but they typically did not create a career.

If Trent had done what everyone wanted him to, he would not have become a better selling act or bigger star as some of his advisors may have secretly thought. Instead, he would have disappeared long ago.

No one knows the heart or genius of true artists but the artists themselves. No one can predict them or imitate them or even steer them towards success. They are, by definition, single-minded people who cannot?and must not?see things the way the rest of us do. Once upon a time, we had a business built by passionate amateurs who revered the artists and who became their protectors, advocates and promoters. These folks didn't presume to tell their artists what to do. Oh, every once in a while, they might beg and plead for more or different to help them to do their job, but they never imposed their creative will on the people they most admired in all the world.

And so we had a landscape of determined individualists who made very individual music?lots of it. We all know who they were?and some still are. But now the biggest part of the business is run by cold-hearted professionals whose reverence is for the bottom line first and last?and who think nothing of imposing their ideas and will on the people they sign. And most of those signings are not because they are enthralled by genius or art but because they smell "a hit" or know that someone else does and that they'd better get in there first.

Now, when I say stuff like this, all the record company people get pissed off at me and say I'm an ******* and that they are there because of their love for music, etc. And I don't doubt that this is what propelled them at the start (though I suspect the notion of getting rich and hanging with rockstars may have had a bit to do with it too), but how many of the new leaders of our industry are able to resist the pressures of making their numbers in favor of supporting their artists? In fact, isn't their primary job to "increase shareholder value"? So, they really can't resist those pressures honestly and still be doing what they're being paid to do. The problem with this is that it takes more than a [business financial] quarter to build something of value and real art cannot be scheduled or projected?only commodities can. But if we're just a commodities business, then by definition we cannot build anything of real value?for the shareholders or the world.

So, what's the biggest lesson here? It is that, if we can all agree to do as Ahmet [Ertegün, co-founder of Atlantic Records] recommended and surround ourselves with brilliant people and help those people to develop their craft, their own voice, and become artists making things of real value, we might see our way into the next golden age of popular music.

Thank God for Trent?and for all the others like him who will not compromise and will fight to realize their vision. In the end, they might save us all.

Bob

http://torontoist.com/2007/04/thank_god_for_t.php

[FatWilma]

word to bob ezrin. honestly, i've always thought he was a bit overrated, but he's dead on with his thoughts about the major record labels only lookin at the bottom line.

[newwaytodie]

Whatever, it's your thread now. I guess I got pwned. I fail at life. I'm going to go kill myself now. But as a last request I ask for HMXSean to come in and lock this thread because it is really worthless, and I, the original poster, think it's the best thing to do.

LOCK THIS THREAD!

[outofcontrol]

You're the dumbass that won't let this thread die. Idiot.


lol you created this and you should of known this was gonna happen. watch who your calling a dumbass next time.

[newwaytodie]

I actually forgot the whole point of this thread, and in my reminiscing, I decided it was a good time to review what has transpired. Ok class, here is what we have discussed:



1. I insult NIN and Trent Reznor's "talent" (or lack thereof) as well as his appearance and pseudo-intellectual views.
2. A few people respond citing NIN is actually good. Those people then decide to judge music from my interests page, and state their opinions about said bands.
3. My musical tastes include "posers" so clearly my opinion on NIN has no merit.
4. I am personally insulted by a certain member of the community.
5. I am challenged to create industrial music. Also I am accused of not understand artistic integrity OR musical creation in general.
6. More people insult my musical tastes, but on a lighter note, agree that Johnny Cash's cover of "Hurt" was excellent.
7. I am accused of not disliking NIN, but being "jealous".
8. Some guy states the obvious.
9. I am once again challenged to make industrial music. Apparently it is extremely difficult and is actually FAR more difficult than guitar. (Implying that NIN is in fact, better than any guitarist who has ever lived.)
10. I am personally insulted again (big surprise) and again labeled as "jealous".
11. Again, electronica/Techno/Industrial is FAR superior to guitar based rock music. And as it would be, anyone with two hands and ten fingers can play 24 Caprices like Yngwie Malmsteen.
12. Despite no response, I am told to shut up.
13. The "Hurt" cover is discussed again.
14. Trent Reznor will kick my ass if he reads any of this.
15. I am personally insulted AGAIN.
16. See above.
17. See above.
18. I fail at life.
19. Despite being a fallacy, I am accused of being willing to debate the musical superiority of AFI compared to NIN. Also, insulted yet again.
20. Despite the fact that I am 23, I am accused of wearing diapers when Woodstock 94 came around. NIN played a gig there and it was amazing.
21. I am challenged yet again to make Industrial music. (Maybe I should, It's clear it has a rabid following)
22. I state the purpose and intent of my posting of this thread. I also defend myself from the relentless attacks on my musical tastes, as well as myself in general.
23. Extremely long fallacious post in the form of multi quotes. Several insults, lots of bigotry.
24. Guy admits to liking "Yes We Can"
25. Asking people what they DON'T like is not ok on this forum!
26. people other than me are insulted. (wow)
27. Somehow, Chocolate Rain is brought up.
28. A lot of people disagree with the prospect of NIN sucking.
29. I clearly state that I simply DO NOT like NIN.
30. Some guy states the obvious. I am told to stfu.
31. Creating Industrial music is hard. Questionable attainment of software is discussed.
32. I am offered "free" software to create industrial music. (seriously, I should get into this)
33. In depth analysis and review of Music editing software.
34. I explain that I have used some of the mentioned software, and it is pretty complicated.
35. I get served.
36. I guess I like boy bands? I plead for the thread to be closed.
37. more insults
38. I state my opinion of NIN's musical prowess.
39. more fallacies
40. I'm allowed to have an opinion, but only if the reasons for my opinion are true. Because all opinion is actually based on facts.
41. Guitar mastery isn't all that impressive, more insults.
42. another challenge to create Industrial music (call my agent)
43. I state the obvious.
44. More lies, more insults directed at me. Again the guitar isn't really that impressive. More insults.
45. Piracy is discussed again.
46. It is demanded that I give Trent Reznor respect even though I hate his music.
47. I don't know how Herman Li was brought into the mix but he was, and I love him more than anything, even though he is nothing compared to Trent. Also, I have my head inside of my own ass.
48. Lots more insults
49. I get pissed and call names.
50. I plead yet again for the thread to be locked.


So, in conclusion, Do not ever say anything bad about NIN. Trent Reznor has minions at his command that will destroy you on command. But they're, you know, non-conformist minions.

[DShizzle1029]

Yes, yes we are Reznor's minions...I have a poster of him that I bow to every night before bed.

Ok, so it wasnt right for some of us to personally insult you. I think we all just need to come to a more peaceful conclusion. I will start with myself. I personally dont think youre a failure at life, we all make mistakes. I have had my days of saying the wrong damn thing in a forum and getting e-attacked. Some of what you said is a bit off. Just a sense of misinformation, it happens. Youre an actual human being just like the rest of us, so if we could all just get along and come together as gamers to celebrate our differences. Plus as they say, "fighting on the internet is like winning the special olympics, you might win, but your still a ******."

I think that us who adore NIN need to treat this thread like politics. Everyone has their side so lets just not bring it up at all, k? A little positivity never hurt anyone.

[InsertNameHere]

Funny how a forum of music 'enthusiasts' do not understand that people have different opinions therefore they like different bands.

Despite that obvious fact they wish to insult one another for liking these different bands. They are arguing opinions, which might I remind everyone is unique to every person and cannot be argue with facts because opinions can't be proven true. They are just individual perceptions, points of view, not universal laws engraved in stone. What is sad is that some people here attempted to prove their opinion was superior by using facts, insulting the other person's point of view, or forcing him to believe it.

Guys, different people like different band. Everyone knows that. So why the hell would you try to argue otherwise?