Both games (Rockband & GH3) can coexist....right?

[ParliamentFunkadelic]

I am 100x more excited for Rock Band (I am a drummer, how could I not be?), but I still think that both games can coexist well. What I mean by this is that: GH3 can still be a good game with good songs and that won't affect the success of Rock Band to the point where they would not realease tons of DLC and not have a strong online community.

In other words, don't worry about the GH3 camp releasing good song info. It won't affect the strength of Rock Band.....

Thoughts?

[IbanezBassist_v2]

I'm thinking exactly the opposite. I think RB is greatly going to affect GHIII and its sales.

[hellninja]

so im thinkin an hoping that RB will have no need for a sequel, so we will never have to buy another RB disc(rock band 2) and just keep on ofering new tunes, so with that being said it seems that GH3 will be the last in the series considering that really they will have nothing left to offer that RB will wont already have, so they really have to sell GH3 hard cause ther wont be a need for another. so this will really be the death of the GH series.
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[Apples]

I think they can co-exist, but I also think they're going to cause problems for one another.

Once a song, band, or album gets confirmed for either game, it seems unlikely that they will be available for the other game. For example, GH3 locks in "song X" which happens to have an awesome drum track. It would seem unlikely that Rock Band would be able to get the same acquisition, and fans wanting to play that awesome drum track would be SOL.

I think we've already seen an example of this with the "Welcome to the Jungle" video floating about, prior to GH3 confirming that they had acquired it. If you look at GH1 and GH2, there's some really good tracks in those two which probably aren't going to be available for Rock Band. Search and Destroy has a killer drum track, and I know more than few people who would love to sing along with "Carry On Wayward Son" "Institutionalized" or "Mother".

[The_Walrus_King]

Honestly, I wish GH would go crawl in a whole and die. Let Rock Band take over. It's better in every way. And please Rock Band, I WANT THROUGH THE FIRE AND FLAMES!

[Huwonk]

I agree 100%, Parliament. I think both games cater generally to the same crowd.

It's like having beer with pizza. Sure they're both great individually, but together they just help balance each other out. Guitar Hero will have some instrumentals we're unlikely to see on Rock Band (Buckethead for instance) and Rock Band is likely to see a lot of songs that would never really be considered for Guitar Hero (maybe some earlier Pink Floyd or something). Maybe even sometimes by the same band... In fact, I think Activision is only hurting itself if they don't let the Rock Band guitar work on GH3. Alienating customers is evil... I figured they would have learned that after the DLC problems.

[ParliamentFunkadelic]

I think they can co-exist, but I also think they're going to cause problems for one another.

Once a song, band, or album gets confirmed for either game, it seems unlikely that they will be available for the other game. For example, GH3 locks in "song X" which happens to have an awesome drum track. It would seem unlikely that Rock Band would be able to get the same acquisition, and fans wanting to play that awesome drum track would be SOL.


I thought both games had Weezer?

[IbanezBassist_v2]

so im thinkin an hoping that RB will have no need for a sequel, so we will never have to buy another RB disc(rock band 2) and just keep on ofering new tunes, so with that being said it seems that GH3 will be the last in the series considering that really they will have nothing left to offer that RB will wont already have, so they really have to sell GH3 hard cause ther wont be a need for another. so this will really be the death of the GH series.
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What happens when you run out of HDD. Sure you can go spend upward of 100 bones to get a external. But its going to cost you about the same either way you go. I'd rather keep them on disc so when they do release DLC, my HDD isn't cluttered with something they could put on a disc.

[Electric_Zen]

Anybody who wishes Guitar Hero would just die at this point is not very smart.

Having two strong franchises out there is going to create a lot of competitive pressure to lower prices for DLC and peripherals, and to improve key features like online play.

They can co-exist, and I hope they do for some time.

[TheTogfather]

Anybody who wishes Guitar Hero would just die at this point is not very smart.

Having two strong franchises out there is going to create a lot of competitive pressure to lower prices for DLC and peripherals, and to improve key features like online play.

They can co-exist, and I hope they do for some time.

Yes, exactly. I think they'll co-exist just fine for a while, pushing eachother in innovation, song selection, and pricing. But eventually Rock Band will win out. Last game in the guitar hero series? I dunno...maybe...

[JB4GDI]

I thought both games had Weezer?

They each have a different song.

-Jaime

[Apples]

Anybody who wishes Guitar Hero would just die at this point is not very smart.

Having two strong franchises out there is going to create a lot of competitive pressure to lower prices for DLC and peripherals, and to improve key features like online play.

They can co-exist, and I hope they do for some time.

It might also cause a "bidding war" for the rights highly-demanded song titles, which would result in higher licensing costs for DLC and retail releases. I am purely speculating, but if a band had two parties interested in one of their songs, it seems only logical that they could leverage more money out of that.

[Nitz13]

It might also cause a "bidding war" for the rights highly-demanded song titles, which would result in higher licensing costs for DLC and retail releases. I am purely speculating, but if a band had two parties interested in one of their songs, it seems only logical that they could leverage more money out of that.

yep, exactly, everyone is out for more money. Musicians, the companies producing the games, they all want more money so if a well known famous song is up for grabs by both companies you can be sure the group or artist will want top dollar for it.

although on a side note, Rockband seems to have locked up artists, like if you think about it we probably wont see Metallica in Guitar Hero series since they have Enter Sandman on the RB disc plus supposedly a bunch of DLC from them

[hardyfoster]

about songs in gh and rb,

if an artist wants their songs in both games, all they have to do is say so.

i think gh will die off. you already have gh in rockband when you play it as a single player. and way more songs since there will be DLC.

so unless gh comes up with something innovative, i think it will die off. what will be its purpose to continue ? i think the best way for it to continue is to make special editions such as country, bluegrass, metal, death metal, punk, but after you do all of those, then it's over for gh.

[diesel]

its ok with me. i will get them all, MORE SONGS TO PLAY;)

[IOIHUMMERIOI]

Yes, they can co-exist...

Until the pissing match over exclusives becomes a problem. And it looks like we might have a "Haha, I have XXXX band and you don't" starting with say Metallica on RB and not on GHIII. Some songs I would like to play any instrument, some I would just want to play guitar. Once Rock Band comes out, I'll probably be busy with that for a while and will forget about GHIII. Time will tell.

[monlienNH3]

Yes they definately can and will co-exist. I've written some of this in another thread, but I'll elaborate a bit this time.

From a financial standpoint, there is absolutely no way Activision/Neversoft won't release GH4-10 over the next 6-7 years. They release Tony Hawk every year for one. Also, Neversoft rebuilt the game and now they have their version of GH ready to go. From a development standpoint, it's going to be relatively inexpensive to development each year's edition: gain rights to songs, get master tracks and map the songs, add some small new feature, test, and release. Even if less people buy it year after year, the GH and RB hardcore are going to buy it every time. That in itself will probably be enough to warrant releasing another one next year. There is A LOT of music out there - and new music released every year!

And of course, I believe Rock Band will come out every 1-2 years also. It depends on how much/how well the DLC goes. I personally hope they release anthology/expansion discs every few months or so at retail or even directly from the RB website for people who want discs or don't want DLC, but want extra songs.

In the end, there might be some bidding wars over certain songs, and maybe some songs that are on GH retail might show up on RB through album DLC. But I think over the years, RB will cater more towards mainstream/rock/hard rock songs - simply because vocals are involved. Whereas GH will slowly become more guitar-centric, there will still be some popular songs thrown in there - I'll reiterate "there A LOT of songs out there and new ones released every year" but we might start seeing more metal, more instrumental stuff - like Joe Satriani, Steve Vai for instance, and more guitar legend battles (exclusively written for the game like Slash's song for GH3).

My final point is this: having both franchises will make both better. Madden has gotten worse over the years and unforunately APF 2K8 really didn't impress either. Had they both existed all this time, they'd probably both be better games. The hardcore fans are going to buy every RB and GH game just for the new songs - I think this alone will be enough to keep both series alive. Each game will have to one up the other: each year Guitar Hero will announce exclusive guitar battles written for the song and Rock Band will annouce the next batch of albums that you'll be able to play through DLC. I think it makes for a lot of great gaming and it also makes it possible for lesser known bands to get much needed exposure.

End of essay. :o

[the_spike]

Why can't there be the same songs in RB and GH? There's not a rule against it or anything. Songs in GH1 and 2 were in other games before GH used them.

And yeah about the bidding war thing, why wouldn't the band just give their song to both games? They'd be making double the money than the would if they only give it to one side.

And GH will never die unless Neversoft stops supporting it which won't happen for a while, they still turn out a new Tony Hawk game every year and make tons of money, it's going to be the same with Guitar Hero.

The average person that follows and plays Guitar Hero probably doesn't know about Neversoft taking over or really cares. All they know is that GH3 will be more of the same fun they had with the first two games.

[benjamin]

Why can't they coexist? They are on the expensive side, sure, but most people who buy video games have at least some expendable income.

I know I am buying both.

[Rev0lver]

they will coexist, but not for long. RB takes the concept of guitar hero and multiplies it by 2. once the word of this game really gets out, people are going to be putting down their les paul and picking up their stratocaster. and mic. and drumsticks.

[stinkdog2007]

I already preordered both. I don't care what people say, they both are going to awesome games.

[Rock_Starman]

Here's what I think will happen:

GH 3 and RB will co-exsist at first.

RB will end up having all GH 3 songs for download,excluding the boss battles and bonus songs.

GH 4 will come out. RB will have all GH 4 songs for download without having to buy another disc and they'll have them sooner too.

GH 5 will attempt to fill a game with stuff by Dragonforce,Steve Vai,Joe Satrani,Jason Becker,Eric Johnson,Malsteen etc. but only 150 people on the internet will willing buy it because no one else knows who the hell any of them are or gives a crap about their boring instrumentals that are nothing but technical wankery. Those few RB holdouts that buy it based on the GH name alone will find it too hard and come over to RB with the bands they actually heard of and songs they can actually pass and that'll be the end of GH.

[benjamin]

You are very very foolish if you think no one cares about Steve Vai and Joe Satrani.

I don't like either of them but I know that many people idolize there music.

[monlienNH3]

I don't know why anyone here wouldn't think it would be awesome if they continued to coexist - more songs, every year.

I think Rock Band will be better than GH3 just because of Harmonix and the drum set, but I'm buying both and I'm buying both every time they release one unless it stops being what it is now.

[benjamin]

It seems that the fans are rabid competitive over the franchises then the developers themselves.

Though Sean may be prank calling Neversoft while browsing the forums, who knows.

[ParliamentFunkadelic]

I don't know why anyone here wouldn't think it would be awesome if they continued to coexist - more songs, every year.

I think Rock Band will be better than GH3 just because of Harmonix and the drum set, but I'm buying both and I'm buying both every time they release one unless it stops being what it is now.

Ya, I don't mind as long as it doesn't affect the amount/quality of DLC for RockBand, and as long as there is a large amount of people online to play RB with

[MrtyMcfly]

As of recent details being released about GHIII, it's been said that they're almost butchering the gameplay the way we know it. They obviously haven't innovated anything spectacular about the gameplay. The only thing holding GH together is the songs.

If Rock Band had every song that GH had, why even buy Guitar Hero? Cuz you could be Slash? Oh wait, I'll just create a character that looks just like him and name him Slash instead on Rock Band :D

If you think about it, Guitar Hero already exists within Rock Band. (A single player career guitar mode) Might as well just play Rock Band.

[fragpirate]

gh III has dragonforce, iron maide, RHCP, and others.

right now gh has my heart.

[MrtyMcfly]

gh III has dragonforce, iron maide, RHCP, and others.

right now gh has my heart.

My point exactly though, if those songs were in Rock Band and not in GH, would GH still have your heart? :D

[Rev0lver]

you know.. its too bad you cant sing along to iron maiden or play drums in dragonforce like you could in rock band...

[Kaboobi]

you know.. its too bad you cant sing along to iron maiden or play drums in dragonforce like you could in rock band...

Have Iron Maiden or Dragonforce been confirmed not to be in RB? That's certainly news to me.

[MrtyMcfly]

Have Iron Maiden or Dragonforce been confirmed not to be in RB? That's certainly news to me.

You can't play drums or sing in Guitar Hero is what he meant :D

[Rock_Starman]

You are very very foolish if you think no one cares about Steve Vai and Joe Satrani.

I don't like either of them but I know that many people idolize there music.

Go to a mall,stand outside the music store and ask the first 10 people going in if they know who Nirvana and The Who are then ask if they know who Vai and Satrani are. Tell me what happens. Despite my dislike for their instrumental solo stuff they've actually done guitar on quite a few songs I like for various artists (even both of them on one song) but I had no idea who they were untill I saw people wanting them in GH and I looked them up.

[benjamin]

Instead of ten random people at the mall, a horrible sample when we are trying to find the people who are buying Rock Band or Guitar Hero, go ask on a GH forum who they are.

Most people will know them.

[sushi111]

Anybody who wishes Guitar Hero would just die at this point is not very smart.

Having two strong franchises out there is going to create a lot of competitive pressure to lower prices for DLC and peripherals, and to improve key features like online play.

They can co-exist, and I hope they do for some time.

Heres the problem, I dont really want to have to buy a new game every freakin 3 months when I have a game with double the instruments and new albums every week.

[benjamin]

So you would rather have less choice instead of making the choice yourself?

[Sonofmogh]

all i can say is I will buy both, but I won't but a new guitar for gh3 cuz i got 2 xplorers (also i'll only buy one guitar for rockband...cuz its so friggin cool!)

[alfonso234]

i agree with most of the people they will coexist for awhile.sooner or later rb will just get all the songs gh is releasing for donload.hen rb will be crowned ruler of rythm games and all the people who liked gh so much that they tured a blind eye to rb will suffer bye not being aloud to buy rb.




FONZ THINKS RB WILL KILL GH AFTER THEY COEXIST FOR AWHILE