Anyone else worried about amount of songs?`

[Ferretwave]

Being the amount of work required for each song now (drum parts, singing parts/ bass parts) anyone else worried that the amount of songs out of the box might suffer? They said about 40-50 songs, but considering Guitar Hero games had over 70, I don't know. The song list so far is awesome, just hope it lasts.

Also, do you think that the career modes for each individual instrument will be as deep as say the Guitar Hero games or will it be a little shallower? As much as the band experience sounds great, I still love the solo career modes in such games, and I hope its just as deep as their past works, even with 3 solo careers now.

[Eman311]

It will be deeper than the guitar hero solo modes. We know very little but it adds an aspect of band management to your career as you span the many venues. There is character customization, and that alone makes it deeper than guitar hero

[MrMet2087]

with all the downloadable content coming weekly im not worried at all

[KingofQUEEN48]

if you have been keeping up obviously u havent they are having bonus song that u can download duh so there is going to be more than 40!

[Daywalker69]

If you add in the 2 albums we know will be DLC so far, that brings it up to almost 60 songs already. And of course there'll be oodles more.

OODLES more.

OODLES.

[Ferretwave]

If you add in the 2 albums we know will be DLC so far, that brings it up to almost 60 songs already. And of course there'll be oodles more.

OODLES more.

OODLES.
I'm not talking about DLC, I'm talking out of the box. While I'll definetly buy some DLC stuff, I don't want to have to spend a ton of money to get a good amount of songs.

[Daywalker69]

I'm not talking about DLC, I'm talking out of the box. While I'll definetly buy some DLC stuff, I don't want to have to spend a ton of money to get a good amount of songs.


Oh. Well, GH1 had only 30 main-list songs and only a handful of worthwhile bonus songs, and everyone was more than satisfied with that. GH2 had 40 main list songs but more of a robust bonus section.

[Rev0lver]

its not going to suffer, in my opinion the addition of drums and singing can kick GH3's ass no matter what is in their setlist. and with the thousands of DLC songs it could make the makers of GH3 broke.

[Blue88]

That's not counting bonus songs. GHII had 74 songs, 48 in campaign/26 bonus songs. I expect them to have at least the same amount of bonus songs as GHII, maybe more. So even not counting DLC, I think RB should have at least 66. They might even have more, I woudn't be worried.

[TheRocker]

No , 40 Songs is Cool with me plus Bonus plus Full Albums :D Isnt that Enough ?

[tmanrocks]

if you have been keeping up obviously u havent they are having bonus song that u can download duh so there is going to be more than 40!

So we get 40 songs and the only way to ever have more than 40 is to pay money to download them? WOW **** this game then

[Nitz13]

So we get 40 songs and the only way to ever have more than 40 is to pay money to download them? WOW **** this game then

What did you expect?
The magical song fairy to come and add another 40 songs on top of the original 40?
If not in DLC where else would we get the songs? aside from Bonus songs...

[lithiumkc]

So we get 40 songs and the only way to ever have more than 40 is to pay money to download them? WOW **** this game then

40 songs, 160 tracks to play. That's over double either GH game. There may be less songs but theres a hell of a lot more to do in the game. Stop complaining and don't buy it then, im sure nobody cares either way.

[TheRocker]

40 songs, 160 tracks to play. That's over double either GH game. There may be less songs but theres a hell of a lot more to do in the game. Stop complaining and don't buy it then, im sure nobody cares either way.

*Nominated for Nobel Peace Prize* Well Said Dude

[Sonofmogh]

I'm not talking about DLC, I'm talking out of the box. While I'll definetly buy some DLC stuff, I don't want to have to spend a ton of money to get a good amount of songs.
Well if you are going to finish all the careers for forty songs on all the instruments in less than a week before more stuff comes out and you refuse to play each song more than once...I think there is something wrong with you. If you are bored the week of release go play online and form a band...WTF is this thread even here for??? GEEZ! are u kidding? is this just a meem or what? someone drop the ban-hammer on this guy for even suggesting that rock band won't have enough material to satisfy people! WTF SERIOUSLY!!!!! I'm angry now! lol

[Sonofmogh]

So we get 40 songs and the only way to ever have more than 40 is to pay money to download them? WOW **** this game then
if you don't want to pay money for extra songs then you probably suck at the game and aren't a TRUE fan of the genre...ooooooooooooooooooo! lol
Harmonix will empty my wallet and my bank account and eventually the government loan i will eventually get to pay for new songs WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!111!!!!!!111!!!!!!!11! !!!!1!!!one!!!!!!!!!!!!1!!!

[benjamin]

GH3 oft spouted 70 tracks is including the bonus songs.

Include the bonus songs in Rock Band and you could easily reach 60 songs. Possibly, since we don't know anything about the RB bonus songs anything I say is pulled completely out of my ass.

[Jsnkr9216]

So far we have 40 songs + 2 complete albums, so... At least 60 songs so far.

I'm not worried.

[BobLoblaw]

40 songs, 160 tracks to play. That's over double either GH game. There may be less songs but theres a hell of a lot more to do in the game. Stop complaining and don't buy it then, im sure nobody cares either way. No it isn't double any other gh hero game, GH2 had rythm/bass, too. GH2 360 had 74 songs, 148 tracks, so it's barely more at all. But that's not counting bonus songs.

I'm not complaining about the amount of tracks, btw, just correcting you. Even if there were just 40 songs on the disc, there'd still be a tonne of gameplay there.

[krzrgator]

You see thats the beauty of dlc, you don't have to pay for the songs you don't want to play.

I reckon there's gonna be a very steady stream of dlc anyway, so I don't have a problem.

[lithiumkc]

No it isn't double any other gh hero game, GH2 had rythm/bass, too. GH2 360 had 74 songs, 148 tracks, so it's barely more at all. But that's not counting bonus songs.

I'm not complaining about the amount of tracks, btw, just correcting you. Even if there were just 40 songs on the disc, there'd still be a tonne of gameplay there.

Troof, i didn't count bass like i did in RB. But the fact that you can do career modes for at least 3 of the instruments means that there is more to do there. Bass you could only play in co-op. Now you can beat all the songs with mic, guitar, and drums. ]

All in all I'm pretty damn sure RB is going to have a way bigger replay value. Because you get bored of one thing.. you go play another. GH you're stuck on guitar, period.

[TheRocker]

Troof, i didn't count bass like i did in RB. But the fact that you can do career modes for at least 3 of the instruments means that there is more to do there. Bass you could only play in co-op. Now you can beat all the songs with mic, guitar, and drums. ]

All in all I'm pretty damn sure RB is going to have a way bigger replay value. Because you get bored of one thing.. you go play another. GH you're stuck on guitar, period.

Yeah thats what sometimes happened to me when i was playing GH alone there was nobody to play with and i had already played every song but now with RockBand if i get tired of an instrument i switch to another one and so on and on plus online play



...I Can't Wait

[Ghaleon]

http://www.rockband.com/vbforum/showthread.php?p=17085#post17085

As linked above, it has already been noted that the 40 songs does not include bonus tracks, therefore putting it in line with the original GH2 track list on the PS2.

[Ferretwave]

http://www.rockband.com/vbforum/showthread.php?p=17085#post17085

As linked above, it has already been noted that the 40 songs does not include bonus tracks, therefore putting it in line with the original GH2 track list on the PS2.

thats not bad, and the songs so far are great, but it just seems like if they have 41 different locations, they would have a ton more songs than usual too. (besides DLC)

[ccarey13]

all i hope is that they dont charge a ridiculous amount for downloadable content. The Xbox 360 song packs for example. 4 Packs of 3 songs for a total amount of $25 for 12 songs. That is not promoting the use of the download service in my eyes.

[Ferretwave]

all i hope is that they dont charge a ridiculous amount for downloadable content. The Xbox 360 song packs for example. 4 Packs of 3 songs for a total amount of $25 for 12 songs. That is not promoting the use of the download service in my eyes.
yeah I'm really hoping its like a dollar or two (at most) a song and then if you buy a whole album its cheaper than buying every song individually.

[ThePaska]

I could not be less worried about the amount of songs. 40 main songs, plus an unknown amount of bonus tracks. Along with that two announced DLC albums, thats about 20 more songs, as well as the promise of 100+ songs over the next year, thats more songs than any game has had ever, thats good enough for me.

[TheRocker]

I could not be less worried about the amount of songs. 40 main songs, plus an unknown amount of bonus tracks. Along with that two announced DLC albums, thats about 20 more songs, as well as the promise of 100+ songs over the next year, thats more songs than any game has had ever, thats good enough for me.

Second That :cool:

[lithiumkc]

I'm inclined to think that the people worried about 40 songs, and aren't accepting DLC as an alternative way to get new songs are just kids who can't pay for them.

[karlkaza]

I think it's great. cause there planning to release 100 songs that same year and new songs each week!

[Ferretwave]

Before you all get too excited about 100+ DLC songs, you're all forgetting Harmonix said Guitar Hero 2 would have the most DLC of any game ever. I wouldn't beleive it till you see it.

[lithiumkc]

Before you all get too excited about 100+ DLC songs, you're all forgetting Harmonix said Guitar Hero 2 would have the most DLC of any game ever. I wouldn't beleive it till you see it.

Ummm..... There is already more DLC with the two albums announced so far. Obviously they're not going to lie, and they've made the game with online play for a reason :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Ferretwave]

I think it's great. cause there planning to release 100 songs that same year and new songs each week!


Ummm..... There is already more DLC with the two albums announced so far. Obviously they're not going to lie, and they've made the game with online play for a reason :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

What do you mean they're not going to lie, like I just said they lied completely about Guitar Hero 2's "unprecedented" amount of DLC (Which turned out to be 12 overpriced old GH 1 songs):rolleyes:

[Magnet]

What do you mean they're not going to lie, like I just said they lied completely about Guitar Hero 2's "unprecedented" amount of DLC (Which turned out to be 12 overpriced old GH 1 songs):rolleyes:

You have the wrong people. The liars with GH2 DLC were Activision and RedOctane. They're not involved in Rock Band at all.

[Ferretwave]

You have the wrong people. The liars with GH2 DLC were Activision and RedOctane. They're not involved in Rock Band at all.

That might be it. What part did Red Octance have in dev again?

[lithiumkc]

What do you mean they're not going to lie, like I just said they lied completely about Guitar Hero 2's "unprecedented" amount of DLC (Which turned out to be 12 overpriced old GH 1 songs):rolleyes:

Yes, and around the time that came out for 360, they split off and i assume harmonix started making rock band. I.E. they started making tracks for their own game. Activison and Red Octane probably didn't have any track creators... doesn't hmx take care of that end of it? And I'd rather they work on RB than put out more stuff for gh2.

Activision hired custom song makers so Im just guessing that they didn't have any to put songs out in the first place.

[Nitz13]

Yes, and around the time that came out for 360, they split off and i assume harmonix started making rock band. I.E. they started making tracks for their own game. Activison and Red Octane probably didn't have any track creators... doesn't hmx take care of that end of it? And I'd rather they work on RB than put out more stuff for gh2.

Activision hired custom song makers so Im just guessing that they didn't have any to put songs out in the first place.

Exactly Harmonix isn't gonna go back and makes songs for a franchise that isn't their's anymore. Sure they created GH1 and 2 but thats the past, they are looking to the future which is Rock Band

[finsfan]

Ummm..... There is already more DLC with the two albums announced so far. Obviously they're not going to lie, and they've made the game with online play for a reason :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I'm sorry did you say they announced two album dl's??? I knew about The Who but which is the other one???:confused: :confused:

[benjamin]

That would be Nevermind by Nirvana.

Personally I like In Utero but both albums are be good.

[BlackHole]

I'm worried, bonus songs will keep it up there but look those albums may go to much for DLC. Two albums is all that is announced.

[benjamin]

I sure do hate being given a choice of what songs I want. That really burns my biscuits.

[ConsoleCoWBoY]

Okay, so we only get 40 songs (the original GH1 game for the PS2 had less, GH2 for the same system had about the same amount - the 360 version is a later version containing some songs from GH1 which never appeared on the system, so that DOESN'T COUNT!). But the fact of the matter is Harmonix is already going to support the game with DLC - with 2 albums. Now, whether or not people buy in on this is another matter entirely, but saying at this early juncture that Harmonix WILL NOT be supporting extra content for RB is plainly false. Don't fault them for GH2 on the 360. The songs included for DLC were from GH1 which never made it's way to the 360, and to be fair - the 360 game was a port (and an excellent one at that) - this game is an all new original game. So, 40 main songs is the NORM here, not some kind of exception. With the DLC coming in the form of 2 excellent albums, there will be no shortage of tunes to play. Pricing could (and should) play a factor in whether people opt in or not. I am quite sure that there will be more songs on the way, although this is an act of good faith on my part and I have no evidence to actually say either way.

Now, if you are either:
A) Too Cheap...
B) Too Poor...
or
C) Too Young...

...to be able to afford the new songs, don't worry. Rock Band 2 will fill your needs nicely. You'll just have to wait a few years, and by that time your situation on DLC may change! Either way, just enjoy the game! (No use *****ing about something you can't do anything about, unless you just like *****ing.) =D

[benjamin]

How could you be too young? It is not like they deny money to young children, and they can buy money cards at a store.

[ababypenguin]

I don't know why everyone is so freaked out about the number of songs in the game, I would actually prefer a GHI sized set list. From what songs I have seen to be on RB so far, we have a GREAT set list coming and if it is a smaller list, then you can appreciate the songs more. When I played GHI I knew exactly which songs I loved and which ones I hated because I had played each one so much. But in GHII there was so much to choose from I just picked random songs, or the last ten songs on the list because I knew they were challenging.

I figure that if RB tries to cram all the songs they can onto one disc the song choices will be quick, they will be "seat filler" songs. But if there is a smaller list that they really put thought into, then we will have a list of great songs, without having to sort through boring/crappy ones.

Then if you feel the need, you can go online and get your DLC. You can buy the songs that you really want, or an album from your favorite band.

[ConsoleCoWBoY]

How could you be too young? It is not like they deny money to young children, and they can buy money cards at a store.

O_o i hope you're not talking to me... i be an old man. o_O

If you look at my post, I am stating the truth: Children below the working age cannot afford to buy online - unless they have a money/credit card as you stated. But, parents will be the only thing to stop them... THAT and the unwholesome idea of lack of online gaming capability (although, we are assuming that everyone here DOES have the ability to come online at home. By the frequency of some people's posting habits, that would seem to be the case!) Why would parents NOT allow DLC? Well, here's a few that I can think of when I was a youngun:
A) No physical media - ie. Where the hell is that thing you bought?? =/
B) Price - ie. I just spent $60/$80/$200 for this f*cking game for you, and now you want MORE MONEY?? =(
and (my favorite)
C) Because I said NO!! ie. I am the boss of you, and you are going to know it, young man! =S

So, like I said, unless you have your own buying power - it might be what is bothering those who say 40 songs on disk are NOT enough. =o I mean, they can't all just be greedy to rationalize NOT to purchase a kick ass game, can they?? Wouldn't make sense to me! o=

[benjamin]

My argument is basically Being Young would fall under then range of having no money.

[Eman311]

I see this game taking the route of guitar hero 1's setlist. with the exception of the really big name songs we're seeing songs from artists we may have never heard before (main offender?) and most likely we'll see bonus songs just like guitar hero 1 (prays for some HMX bands in there)

[TheRocker]

I see this game taking the route of guitar hero 1's setlist. with the exception of the really big name songs we're seeing songs from artists we may have never heard before (main offender?) and most likely we'll see bonus songs just like guitar hero 1 (prays for some HMX bands in there)

Yeah i've noticed , bonus songs are as important as the main songs and i LOVE them :D

[Eman311]

Yeah i've noticed , bonus songs are as important as the main songs and i LOVE them :D

GH1 bonus songs are better than most of the gh1 and 2 tracklists

[Spandrel]

GH1 bonus songs are better than most of the gh1 and 2 tracklists

The Bonus Songs definitely provide a much needed change of pace when slogging through the main setlist and trying to 4* and 5* those songs. I wouldn't personally listen to many of them in my car or anything, but they are a great change of pace.

[Ferretwave]

O_o i hope you're not talking to me... i be an old man. o_O

If you look at my post, I am stating the truth: Children below the working age cannot afford to buy online - unless they have a money/credit card as you stated. But, parents will be the only thing to stop them... THAT and the unwholesome idea of lack of online gaming capability (although, we are assuming that everyone here DOES have the ability to come online at home. By the frequency of some people's posting habits, that would seem to be the case!) Why would parents NOT allow DLC? Well, here's a few that I can think of when I was a youngun:
A) No physical media - ie. Where the hell is that thing you bought?? =/
B) Price - ie. I just spent $60/$80/$200 for this f*cking game for you, and now you want MORE MONEY?? =(
and (my favorite)
C) Because I said NO!! ie. I am the boss of you, and you are going to know it, young man! =S

So, like I said, unless you have your own buying power - it might be what is bothering those who say 40 songs on disk are NOT enough. =o I mean, they can't all just be greedy to rationalize NOT to purchase a kick ass game, can they?? Wouldn't make sense to me! o=

I really don't think my parents would mind considering they just pre-orderd the entire Rock Band bundle for me voluntary. Honestly, I don't think its that they'd turn me down, its just that I don't like to ask for things, I don't know. Whenever I buy Marketplace stuff, I never ask them to put it on their card, I buy point cards, though being how fast I'll probably burn through one of those with this game, I think I'll have to start. (I'd pay for it though) What I REALLY hate asking for is M-rated games, I mean come on, lets be honest you can't tell me friggin Halo is worse than a PG-13 movie? Sure some are worthy, like Gears and Bioshock, but most are simply there to appease the govn't.There are WAY too many restrictions on videogames consdiering you can walk into a store and buy Hostel 2 without a parent.

[Brad_Lee]

I'm inclined to think that the people worried about 40 songs, and aren't accepting DLC as an alternative way to get new songs are just kids who can't pay for them.


DLC a week after release is more of a slap in the face than a welcomed addition in my eyes.


HMX saying, "Well we could have delayed the game a month and included these three albums... but instead... we're gonna make ya pay more cash for them!!"

I'm hyped....

And people are excited about this? So I pay 200 some dollars for a game and 3 peripherals. Then not even after release they want me to pay another $5-10?

I can pay for it... and it's not about the money. It's about being loyal to your consumers.

If DLC is 1 or 2 bucks per song and they release 100 songs within the next year.... hell... I'd rather them just bring out an expansion disk or RB 2.

[Magnet]

DLC a week after release is more of a slap in the face than a welcomed addition in my eyes.


HMX saying, "Well we could have delayed the game a month and included these three albums... but instead... we're gonna make ya pay more cash for them!!"

*sigh*

I keep wondering when everyone is going to catch on to the point of DLC. Do you realize how upset some people would be if Rock Band came out and 10 or 15 percent of the songs were by one band because they included the album on the game disc? It's why they're only putting one Metallica song on the disc and not all the ones they've announced for DLC.

People like variety. I love variety. And I don't really care for Metallica. I'm glad they're not forcing ten Metallica songs down my throat right away. I love The Who though. I'd love Who's Next to be on the Rock Band disc, but I wouldn't want to push tons of The Who on people who don't care for it.

I respect that other people love Metallica and don't care about The Who. That's the beauty of DLC. If you love an artist in the game, download more of their songs so you can play a ton of exactly what you want.

They're not "making" anyone pay more cash for these things. That's the whole idea. They would be making you pay more if they were included on the disc. Here, you're only paying for them if you want them.

I think the choice of downloading tons of what you want and none of what you don't want is a welcomed addition. Including these albums on the disc would just serve to increase the game's price for everyone. And that really sucks for those who don't want the albums because they don't like those two or three bands at all.

[Bakkster_Man]

As long as RB feels like a full game out of the box, I'm comfortable with DLC. I don't think anyone can reasonably assume that full albums should be included out of the box, especially when you consider the licensing associated with them.

I would be bothered by DLC replacing bonus songs, or otherwise anything that was once free now costing money (horse armor, anyone?). With 40 main songs out of the box, I'm not worried about campaigns getting shorted. As long as the typical bonus song setup (songs by unsigned bands and employee bands) stays free and not costing money, I think that DLC is reasonable.

Remember, content does cost money in licensing, development, and delivery fees. As long as I'm paying for something new and novel, I'm alright. Once I start having to pay for what I should have gotten to start with, then I get mad.

[Ghaleon]

DLC a week after release is more of a slap in the face than a welcomed addition in my eyes.


HMX saying, "Well we could have delayed the game a month and included these three albums... but instead... we're gonna make ya pay more cash for them!!"

I'm hyped....

And people are excited about this? So I pay 200 some dollars for a game and 3 peripherals. Then not even after release they want me to pay another $5-10?

I can pay for it... and it's not about the money. It's about being loyal to your consumers.

If DLC is 1 or 2 bucks per song and they release 100 songs within the next year.... hell... I'd rather them just bring out an expansion disk or RB 2.

You do realize that every licensed song incurrs a cost to the production of the game right? The so-called "slap in the face" as you describe it is a way to keep the initial game X amount less costly for the customer..

As for DLC vs expansion disks, there's an inherent trade off. On one hand, you can pick and choose your DLC, and on the other, you are stuck with everything included in an expansion. With the immense range of tastes in music, the approach being presented by Harmonix is certainly a sound one in my opinion.

[lithiumkc]

If DLC is 1 or 2 bucks per song and they release 100 songs within the next year.... hell... I'd rather them just bring out an expansion disk or RB 2.
And have the same thing happen as with GH 80's? 30 songs for 67 bucks, and a good portion of them boring? SCREW THAT. You're shooting yourself in the foot if you'd rather discs than DLC.

1. Consumers ability to choose
2. No manufacturing and transporting costs
3. Far more song availability, can easily put out more songs on DLC than on seperate discs, and quicker.

I wholly disagree with your opinion that they could have included both for free too. Do we know how much room the disc has on it? Do people really want to play complete albums by artists they dislike? No. Hardly a slap in the face. If anything they're doing DLC for us, not the polar opposite like you claim.

[Brad_Lee]

*sigh*

I keep wondering when everyone is going to catch on to the point of DLC. Do you realize how upset some people would be if Rock Band came out and 10 or 15 percent of the songs were by one band because they included the album on the game disc? It's why they're only putting one Metallica song on the disc and not all the ones they've announced for DLC.

People like variety. I love variety. And I don't really care for Metallica. I'm glad they're not forcing ten Metallica songs down my throat right away. I love The Who though. I'd love Who's Next to be on the Rock Band disc, but I wouldn't want to push tons of The Who on people who don't care for it.

I respect that other people love Metallica and don't care about The Who. That's the beauty of DLC. If you love an artist in the game, download more of their songs so you can play a ton of exactly what you want.

They're not "making" anyone pay more cash for these things. That's the whole idea. They would be making you pay more if they were included on the disc. Here, you're only paying for them if you want them.

I think the choice of downloading tons of what you want and none of what you don't want is a welcomed addition. Including these albums on the disc would just serve to increase the game's price for everyone. And that really sucks for those who don't want the albums because they don't like those two or three bands at all.


The point of DLC is to increase the playablity of the game. If they were included on the disk I wouldn't be paying any more... it would still be $65. GH2 had more songs than GH1, and Encore has less than both of them, yet they're all $50 for the PS2.

Harmonix had said it themself... this game is about exploring different types of music. It's a lot harder to explore music genres if you have to pay for it.

I've downloaded hundreds of songs, and guess what... some of them are just awful and I delete almost immediately. Paying for them would limit my exploration of different types of music. And doing so, squashes Harmonix's goal for the game.

More songs=better. Did you really say you wouldn't want more songs on launch?

[Brad_Lee]

And have the same thing happen as with GH 80's? 30 songs for 67 bucks, and a good portion of them boring? SCREW THAT. You're shooting yourself in the foot if you'd rather discs than DLC.

1. Consumers ability to choose
2. No manufacturing and transporting costs
3. Far more song availability, can easily put out more songs on DLC than on seperate discs, and quicker.

I wholly disagree with your opinion that they could have included both for free too. Do we know how much room the disc has on it? Do people really want to play complete albums by artists they dislike? No. Hardly a slap in the face. If anything they're doing DLC for us, not the polar opposite like you claim.


Did you see the DLC for GH2? Enough said.

[Eman311]

Having more songs on the disc would raise the price of the game enormeously (sp?), probably over the 60 threshold. These costs would probably translate over to more expensive peripherals. HMX can only go so far in terms of disc content. Obviously everyone would love to have more songs on the disc and not be forced to buy it seperately and take space on their HD...... but trust me i'm sure HMX is trying to balance that type of stuff out and 40 licensed songs is the right fit, with DLC being an added bonus for consumers!

[Magnet]

The point of DLC is to increase the playablity of the game. If they were included on the disk I wouldn't be paying any more... it would still be $65. GH2 had more songs than GH1, and Encore has less than both of them, yet they're all $50 for the PS2.

It doesn't matter if you'll be paying the same for the game. What matters is that HMX has much more licensing costs for the game that they need to worry about. It's not advantageous at all for them to include albums on the disc from a business standpoint whatsoever. I don't know how anyone could possibly expect them to do it.


Harmonix had said it themself... this game is about exploring different types of music. It's a lot harder to explore music genres if you have to pay for it.

I'm confused. You're contradicting yourself now. If the game is about exploring different types of music, then what good would having full albums by two or three bands on the disc be? That's indulging in a music genre. It's not exploring it anymore at that point. Exploring different types of music is exactly what they're doing in the game right now. You have a Nirvana sample song. You have a Metallica sample song. You have a sample from The Who. If you like the music you're exploring in the game, you download more from the same artists. You're not paying to explore when you download albums, you're paying to indulge in artists that you've discovered from the main game.


I've downloaded hundreds of songs, and guess what... some of them are just awful and I delete almost immediately. Paying for them would limit my exploration of different types of music. And doing so, squashes Harmonix's goal for the game.

That's why they're giving you these songs from the same artists that are already in the main game. Harmonix's goal (from the DLC content that has been announced so far) seems to be for people to explore different music during the main game and then offer more from the artists that you discovered you liked.


More songs=better. Did you really say you wouldn't want more songs on launch?

I'd love more songs on launch if they were diverse. I wouldn't really like ten songs by one artist tacked on since that just screws everyone who doesn't like the artist.

[Bakkster_Man]

I don't think Harmonix expects ANYONE to buy all the DLC, just like Apple doesn't expect anyone to buy the entire iTunes store catalog.

If I get Harmonix's stance correctly, they want to put out a full game on the disk, then make it a platform for DLC to further explore a lot of the music.

WARNING: Bad metaphor approaching
Think of RB as an iPod and the DLC as the iTunes store. Nobody expects their iPod to come with every song they'd ever want preloaded to the hard drive. Nobody thinks that the iTunes store is taking features away from the iPod and putting it behind a pay wall. The iTunes store is regarded as value-added content to the iPod, but you still need to buy both.

Don't get me wrong, DLC can be used as a money trap by releasing a gimped game and charging out the wazoo for all the content. It doesn't appear to be what Harmonix is aiming for, though.

[Brad_Lee]

It doesn't matter if you'll be paying the same for the game. What matters is that HMX has much more licensing costs for the game that they need to worry about. It's not advantageous at all for them to include albums on the disc from a business standpoint whatsoever. I don't know how anyone could possibly expect them to do it.

Chances are Harmonix didn't pay a dime to license tracks. It was most likely MTV, and even then there are so many intertwining connections they probably paid very little compared to the money they will be making on the game.




I'm confused. You're contradicting yourself now. If the game is about exploring different types of music, then what good would having full albums by two or three bands on the disc be? That's indulging in a music genre. It's not exploring it anymore at that point. Exploring different types of music is exactly what they're doing in the game right now. You have a Nirvana sample song. You have a Metallica sample song. You have a sample from The Who. If you like the music you're exploring in the game, you download more from the same artists. You're not paying to explore when you download albums, you're paying to indulge in artists that you've discovered from the main game.

Not every Metallica song sounds the same. In fact I can't name a single album of any band I've listened to in which I like every song. Say I don't like the Nirvana song in the game, so I decide not to purchase the album. I am limiting my exploration of music.



That's why they're giving you these songs from the same artists that are already in the main game. Harmonix's goal (from the DLC content that has been announced so far) seems to be for people to explore different music during the main game and then offer more from the artists that you discovered you liked.

As I said already.... just because you like or dislike one song from an artist... doesn't guarantee you'll like their other music.




I'd love more songs on launch if they were diverse. I wouldn't really like ten songs by one artist tacked on since that just screws everyone who doesn't like the artist.

Many artists have different sounds. Metallica is one of them.

[Bakkster_Man]

Chances are Harmonix didn't pay a dime to license tracks. It was most likely MTV, and even then there are so many intertwining connections they probably paid very little compared to the money they will be making on the game.

SOMEBODY has to pay, and that needs to get reflected in the cost of the content. Unless Harmonix/MTV has some CRAZY licensing agreement where they pay almost nothing per song (which they might, who knows) then extra content will affect cost, no way around it.

[Brad_Lee]

SOMEBODY has to pay, and that needs to get reflected in the cost of the content. Unless Harmonix/MTV has some CRAZY licensing agreement where they pay almost nothing per song (which they might, who knows) then extra content will affect cost, no way around it.

Licensing doesn't effect pricing as much as you think it does... otherwise Guitar Hero II should cost more than GH1 and Encore should cost less.... much less.

[Eman311]

You do realize you'll be able to pick and choose which songs you buy off each album?

[Bakkster_Man]

You do realize you'll be able to pick and choose which songs you buy off each album?

I didn't think that had been confirmed. I know part of the reasoning to 3-song packs for GH2 was that it was easier to develop and test one bigger download than 3 small downloads. Depending on the engine they use, this may or may not be possible. I assume HMX might have put some effort into a-la-carte downloads, considering the GH2 download uproar...

That being said, I'd love to see a quote where you got this from, and love it even more if it was true.

[Brad_Lee]

You do realize you'll be able to pick and choose which songs you buy off each album?

Link?


And being only able to buy songs you know is completely and utterly destroying the point of having DLC albums. And also some songs which I normally wouldn't listen to and don't find appealing as just music are very fun to play.

Examples:

Laid to Rest
Rock This Town
Fat Lip
FTK
All of This
Story of My Love
Misirlou
Dead!

Those are just the ones off the top of my head. If I heard them as music and they were up for download... my first though would be ... hell no.

[hmxsean]

Licensing doesn't effect pricing as much as you think it does...

You'd be very very surprised.

[WingsOfSteel]

You'd be very very surprised.

Sorry, sean, but I think Brad_Lee has more credibility than you on this. :p

[Brad_Lee]

You'd be very very surprised.

lol see but now you'd have to post how much it costs for licensing and explain why the price of the games remain the same while the quality and quantity of music in them differs.

[Bakkster_Man]

lol see but now you'd have to post how much it costs for licensing and explain why the price of the games remain the same while the quality and quantity of music in them differs.

It's a profound mystery of Capitalism.

Gots to pay the Man.

[vichnaiev]

I'd rather pay 100 imaginary points o get 10 songs from the same album (even if I don't like 3 or 4 of them) than paying 100 imaginary points to hand pick 3 or 4 songs.

Btw, Crash - DMB. It's the only album I like every single song. There is ONE (at least for me). =)

[lithiumkc]

lol see but now you'd have to post how much it costs for licensing and explain why the price of the games remain the same while the quality and quantity of music in them differs.

No, no they wouldn't. Just because you act as if you know how it all works, doesn't mean what you're saying is anything close to the truth. I don't imply that I know how the licensing fees work. But at the same time I think your standpoint on the DLC is ridiculous.

'Theyre limiting musical exlporation by putting 1 song on by an artist. If I don't like one nirvana song, I won't download the album'
Thats got nothing to do with the developers and everything to do with your lack of research.

Youtube. Itunes. You have the ability to research and listen to artists. Blaming harmonix for not including more music by the same artist is just a cop out for your sheer laziness. I'll be listening to most of the DLC songs on the computer before I dl them. I'll probably end up getting almost all of them anyways. Your logic completely eludes me here. Somehow... them putting 40 songs by 40 different artists in is worse than... 25 songs by 25 artists and then 2 full albums of the same people? Kind of stupid if you ask me.

You just don't like the idea of paying for content, I think, which is fine. Just don't make some other excuse for it. DLC is the best way they could put out new songs, period. I don't want to play RB's 40 songs, then wait 6 months to get 30 more songs on a disc. I want to play RB's songs and then download new songs every week, thank you.

[Brad_Lee]

No, no they wouldn't. Just because you act as if you know how it all works, doesn't mean what you're saying is anything close to the truth. I don't imply that I know how the licensing fees work. But at the same time I think your standpoint on the DLC is ridiculous.

'Theyre limiting musical exlporation by putting 1 song on by an artist. If I don't like one nirvana song, I won't download the album'
Thats got nothing to do with the developers and everything to do with your lack of research.

Youtube. Itunes. You have the ability to research and listen to artists. Blaming harmonix for not including more music by the same artist is just a cop out for your sheer laziness. I'll be listening to most of the DLC songs on the computer before I dl them. I'll probably end up getting almost all of them anyways. Your logic completely eludes me here. Somehow... them putting 40 songs by 40 different artists in is worse than... 25 songs by 25 artists and then 2 full albums of the same people? Kind of stupid if you ask me.

You just don't like the idea of paying for content, I think, which is fine. Just don't make some other excuse for it. DLC is the best way they could put out new songs, period. I don't want to play RB's 40 songs, then wait 6 months to get 30 more songs on a disc. I want to play RB's songs and then download new songs every week, thank you.

As I said in my other post... which you chose to ignore... listening to a song does not determine whether or not it will be fun to play. I could listen to Rock This Town 1,000 times and still decide to not like it. But It is fun to play on GHII. Lack of Research? How could I possibly research on whether or not a song would be fun to play? Watch someone else playing it? That doesn't do it.

Did you even read my other post?

Specifically this:

[And also some songs which I normally wouldn't listen to and don't find appealing as just music are very fun to play.

Examples:

Laid to Rest
Rock This Town
Fat Lip
FTK
All of This
Story of My Love
Misirlou
Dead!

Those are just the ones off the top of my head. If I heard them as music and they were up for download... my first though would be ... hell no.

I don't mind paying for content... so long as it's priced fairly. Six bucks for 3 songs? No thanks. I pay the same amount for entire arcade games that I do for 6 songs.

[lithiumkc]

As I said in my other post... which you chose to ignore... listening to a song does not determine whether or not it will be fun to play. I could listen to Rock This Town 1,000 times and still decide to not like it. But It is fun to play on GHII. Lack of Research? How could I possibly research on whether or not a song would be fun to play? Watch someone else playing it? That doesn't do it.

Did you even read my other post?

Specifically this:

[And also some songs which I normally wouldn't listen to and don't find appealing as just music are very fun to play.

Examples:

Laid to Rest
Rock This Town
Fat Lip
FTK
All of This
Story of My Love
Misirlou
Dead!

Those are just the ones off the top of my head. If I heard them as music and they were up for download... my first though would be ... hell no.

I don't mind paying for content... so long as it's priced fairly. Six bucks for 3 songs? No thanks. I pay the same amount for entire arcade games that I do for 6 songs.
K, don't buy them

Personally I don't find it too hard to semi-visualize what the notes will look like when I hear a song. You know if it'll be fun to play based on how it sounds if you know the game. At least I don't have a problem doing that. Plus, you're compeltely basing this on the guitar. What about vocals? What about drums? Obviously you can tell if those will be fun or not before buying it. Your reasons are lacking in several areas as you are only focusing on TEH GUITAERZ and nothing else.

P.S. Have fun playing pong while I play through Nevermind start to finish. I think I know which I value more out of a full album and a crap arcade game.

[parastroke7]

Are you guys really arguing? You probobly shouldn't. It puts a dent on us all.

[Brad_Lee]

K, don't buy them

Personally I don't find it too hard to semi-visualize what the notes will look like when I hear a song. You know if it'll be fun to play based on how it sounds if you know the game. At least I don't have a problem doing that. Plus, you're compeltely basing this on the guitar. What about vocals? What about drums? Obviously you can tell if those will be fun or not before buying it. Your reasons are lacking in several areas as you are only focusing on TEH GUITAERZ and nothing else.

P.S. Have fun playing pong while I play through Nevermind start to finish. I think I know which I value more out of a full album and a crap arcade game.

I'm focusing on the GUITAR because that's all we've played... or do you have a time machine?

OK since you can "semi-visualize" note patterns.... why don't you chart out the notes for Rockaway Beach... and when RB comes out we'll see how you did?

And again....knowing or seeing a note pattern does not determine how fun it is. I said that already.

What you value more means nothing to me.

[Brad_Lee]

Are you guys really arguing? You probobly shouldn't. It puts a dent on us all.

I'm discussing. I think the other guy is arguing. I can tell by his posts that nothing negative can be said about Rock Band without him responding to it saying the other guy is wrong.

[Bakkster_Man]

Hooray for personal attacks! You are arguing on the internet, and that makes you special.

Seriously, what was once lively debate is now just a he-said she-said personal vendetta. Don't be lame.

[Brad_Lee]

Hooray for personal attacks! You are arguing on the internet, and that makes you special.

Seriously, what was once lively debate is now just a he-said she-said personal vendetta. Don't be lame.

Yeah, sorry I've gotten a little out of hand. Just getting caught up in the discussion. I'll hold my tongue from now on. I don't want to give a bad impression.

[hmxsean]

This thread has gone off the tracks and there is another thread about this already-

http://www.rockband.com/vbforum/showthread.php?t=1652

Please me mindful, too, that we are putting the absolute most amount of songs we can on the disc without making the game too expensive. We are also really mindful of getting a nice spread of songs on there that people can enjoy right out of the box.