No one cares 4 metal?

[Fretbored]

Sry if there was a thread like this but everone here seems 2 want all these bands that are already up there or has TOO MUCH MAINSTREAM APPEAL. Metalica IS metal but I think Rock Band needs a new brand of music. First of all who the HELL are the monkeys. 60 year olds ARE NOT BUYING YOUR GAMES. How about bands with real talent like Trivium, Lamb of God, Machine Head. Bands with complex riffs and sophisticated drumming but most importantly screaming vocals. How about HARMONIX at least once a month take a page out of the fans book and put something we want. I dont want to sing The Police. I applaud your direction in terms of music but Guitar Hero listens 2 the fans not what influenced you guys wen you were young. Rock Band is a game 4 us there4 our opinions SHOULD be considered in the decision making process NOT JUST HEARD. Every week is the same thing. STOP TRYING 2 BE SO DIFFERENT FROM GUITAR HERO. YOU PROVED UR POINT! I hope people who read this will respond with the same passion and sense. Maybe if enough people read this and actually agreed maybe Harmonix and MTV will stop dusting off their old Motley Crue collections. (AND PLEASE MAKE THE GUITAR A MORE HARDER INSTRUMENT TO PLAY AND STOP FOCUSING SO MUCH ON THE DAMN DRUMS...I'M TIRED OF POWER CHORDS) HOW ABOUT 2 PEDALS...WAIT WHATS THE POINT THERE'S NOT METAL WOOOPS!

[Shados]

First of all, talk about bad post formatting. Second, we only know the release schedule for the rest of the month. For all we know, the next 3 months could be thrash, power metal, numetal, w/e. Stop trash talking the developers, they'll do what they want. I doubt topics like this will make them change their minds.

[blaack11]

lamb of god.... lamb of god

[enfurno]

First of all, talk about bad post formatting. Second, we only know the release schedule for the rest of the month. For all we know, the next 3 months could be thrash, power metal, numetal, w/e. Stop trash talking the developers, they'll do what they want. I doubt topics like this will make them change their minds.

So what is being released for the rest of the month? Where did you find this information and please share.

[Shados]

It's been in several topics on this board already.

Next week is an Oasis 3 pack, and the week after is Rush, Smashing Pumpkins, and Coheed and Cambria. Source was an official Xbox article.

[Tralfamador]

The rest of the month's releases are in the Announcements forum with a subject like DLC Releases for 1/22 and 1/29 or something to that effect.

And the Monkees are a great band, I personally haven't heard of any of the bands you mentioned, but I"m not saying they suck. You can suggest they add songs you like without ripping on songs others like.

[Fretbored]

My apologies I was making a point because MOSTLY all the past dlc were old skool music. Second of all SHados I'm not thrashing the devs nor am I kissing a** I can state a real opinion. I bet you people will remember something like that and not the amongst the sea of similiar

[the-natural]

Im just saying but they probibly wont release anything like death metal because many people dont want to sing to that and in some drums would be impossible :P

[Fretbored]

Im just saying but they probibly wont release anything like death metal because many people dont want to sing to that and in some drums would be impossible :P
I guess its easy to forget about metal fans? Ur right not death metal. Metal in general.

[Shados]

When would they have forgotten about metal? Metal's all over the Guitar Hero games. There's even metal in FreQuency and Amplitude. There's only Iron Maiden and Metallica currently, but sure enough, there will be more.

I would be glad with more metal, but the charts for them would take a lot longer than charts for rock that has a constant BPM.

[Fretbored]

When would they have forgotten about metal? Metal's all over the Guitar Hero games. There's even metal in FreQuency and Amplitude. There's only Iron Maiden and Metallica currently, but sure enough, there will be more.

I would be glad with more metal, but the charts for them would take a lot longer than charts for rock that has a constant BPM.
EXACTLY longer charts because that is real music. Like right now im listening to Machine Head Imperium. I have Guitar Hero. Its doesn't compare to Rock Band. I for one love to sing but there is nothing compellling. Unfortunately, because I play GH3 when I play Rock Band guitar it doesn't compare.

[theRealDarkFact]

Not nearly enough lamb of god, or how about that kick ass song i think it's called "The light that blinds" from GH2 great song fun to play. I do agree that they need to rotate like one week metal songs, week 2 pop rock or whatever you want to call the police then southern rock, but make that weeks release nothing but that 1 genre. I think that would be the fairest way

[Shados]

Well, the week after next is supposedly named "Prog Rock Pack" or something. They might start rotating genres then.

[Fretbored]

Not nearly enough lamb of god, or how about that kick ass song i think it's called "The light that blinds" from GH2 great song fun to play. I do agree that they need to rotate like one week metal songs, week 2 pop rock or whatever you want to call the police then southern rock, but make that weeks release nothing but that 1 genre. I think that would be the fairest way
Awesom idea man. Each week dlc tied to a specific genre. If only Harmonix would read that and think that way. I think the prog rock might be the Oasis pack though, right?

[Shados]

No, it's not. Next week is an Oasis pack, then the week after is Smashing Pumpkins, Rush, and Coheed and Cambria. The later 2 are definitely Prog, and the certain song by Smashing Pumpkins, Siva, is close enough to qualify.

[Fretbored]

oh, ok sry. Such a long wait but prog rock is still not metal. I imagine if they were to release such songs. Every song would probaly be on the impossible set list lol.

[Shados]

Tool, Dream Theater, and Into Eternity would like to have a word with you.

Well, they're Prog, but not Prog rock.

[Fretbored]

lol ok point made. I think you can agree that every weeks dlc lacks flair. Coheed is awesome but my point was to be that they need to incorporate a wider range of singing. Like Avenged sevenfolds Unholy Confessions.

[Shados]

Lacks flair? Maybe. I think that a few of the songs have a good vocal range, but I don't do vocals anyway.

[Fretbored]

I main Guitar but vocals as well. Still The Rock Band guitar chart doesn't hold a candle to Guitar Heros. Its crazy how much effort goes into the drums but guitar gets the bad end of the stick. Seriously, Through the Fire and Flames on hard pretty much beats MOST ot Rock Bands songs in terms of difficulty.

[Shados]

Maybe because it's a 7 minute hand rape song to show off Herman Li and Sam Tong's skills?

[Fretbored]

Ha maybe but dont you think thats goes to show you how awesome the music is there. Its crazy how much people love the Guitar Hero series. Why? Because the songs are awesome and more importantly current. The dlc from that game are freaking sweet. You wonts see David Bowie up there. I'd rather pay my hard earned money on Mastadon and The Used. Speaking of which I bet not many people has heard of Mastadon but the people of Activision are troopers and they put stuff like that. Instead of trying to make a quick buck on the more famous of bands. ALL of Rock Band dlcs are of band WE ALL KNOW.

[Shados]

Tons of people have heard of Mastadon, if they're not just in the mainstream metal audience. Infact, I believe that out of all the Guitar Heros, GH3 had more bands I've heard of than the first three (Rocks the 80s included) combined.

By heard of, I mean actually have listened to a song by them.

[tattooer24]

Im a huge metal fan all arround and i feel the same way as most of the poster here!
there is no better feeling then sweating after playing blackened on drums!!!

BUT

im starting to understand this game was made for everyone to live out the rock and roll dream.

i would love to double kick my way through some lamb of god,slayer But
for now im going to have to play what is there i hope like you guy's that they hear the message that metal is needed not just 2 bands but a full set list of at least 5 different bands.

But relesing a freakin oasis pack were is the extra content for the week i HATE them and i know im not alone and won't be downloading anything this week and even next week the only song im going to download is coheed well see what happens in the future.

[Shados]

Yeah, they're making the game so no song is impossible. Could you really see yourself playing a power metal or death metal song on drums in Rock Band? Can you really?

Hey, if you don't like the releases for the week, then don't download them. A lot of people do like Oasis, me included. Not a big fan, but I at least like them.

[Fretbored]

Im a huge metal fan all arround and i feel the same way as most of the poster here!
there is no better feeling then sweating after playing blackened on drums!!!

BUT

im starting to understand this game was made for everyone to live out the rock and roll dream.

i would love to double kick my way through some lamb of god,slayer But
for now im going to have to play what is there i hope like you guy's that they hear the message that metal is needed not just 2 bands but a full set list of at least 5 different bands.

But relesing a freakin oasis pack were is the extra content for the week i HATE them and i know im not alone and won't be downloading anything this week and even next week the only song im going to download is coheed well see what happens in the future.
Dude I think I love you jking. Seriously thats exactly what I wanted to hear. Oasis is lamo. Coheed ftw. Seriously, my friends hate playing Rock Band with me because I always put Metalica on because its the most metal band up there. I think Flyleaf is hard than 70 percent of the music there

[TheCrimsonSaint]

Your opinion holds water, but you need to present yourself without going off on a rant that seems more offensive than anything else. As for the Current vs Classic debate... I'm 16 years old and I think that almost all good music ceased to exist after 2000 (the release date of RATM's final album). Iron Maiden still releases fantastic music, they are, after all, the greatest band ever. But what you guys have to realise is that scream vocals will never (and rightly so) find their way into Rock Band. Screaming and singing are two different things. Harmonix understands this. This is why we likely won't see any Shadows Fall (I completely agree that "The Light That Blinds" would be beyond awesome, however), Trivium, Slayer (which is musical garbage anyways), or Mastadon. Like or not, more people like what has been released to this point than all of the bands listed here combined. This game does not revolve around any one person.

[Shados]

I think they'll do ONE test song that has screaming vocals, and see what people think of it. They may either release more, or ditch them altogether.

[TheCrimsonSaint]

They'd have to do at least 2 or 3. If you release just one, then your results will be skewed. When people the this thread's starter see a song with screaming vocals, they may at first be like "OMG!", and tons of people will download it. This results in seemingly good sales for future releases. But what if everyone tries to sing (scream) the song and realises that it's just not that fun? Then none of the future scream releases sell well, and Harmonix wasted a lot of time and legal effort on stuff no one will buy. The success of such music should be based on the sales of the 2nd, 3rd, or even 4th release.

[Shados]

Ok, they release one song pack of screaming songs. This determines the future of the other screaming releases. Makes sense.

Also, how is Metallica terrible? >_>

[HanksNBeanz]

Dude.... that type of metal is made for 13 yr olds who hate their parents and the world.... Metal like that sucks its just double bass and heavy riffs of the same shiznit.

[Fretbored]

Wow dude you need a life Iron Maiden is not the greatest band ever get a life. Your 16 maybe evidence of your lack of understanding of metal. First of all Trivium is awesome, they won awards. Imo they are the new Metallica. Second of all stop forcing your ideas of what is awesome to people. My hope was that people would reply to this post with openess. The Attack from 30 Seconds to Mars has one part that has screaming and that is the ONLY reason I bought it. For you to say that Metallica is horrible is outrageous you need a musical slap my friend. You probaly listen to Judas Priest

[AxlVanHagar]

I think they'll do ONE test song that has screaming vocals, and see what people think of it. They may either release more, or ditch them altogether.

I agree with this. I think at some point they will put something with "cookie monster" vocals up for DLC and see how it flies. Goes well expect more of that, very few downloads I would expect that it will pretty much be it. I think it may do quite well, not my thing but it would be nice for all the nu-metalers out there to have a song or three. Besides I could use a week or three off from DLC:p Tho if they made this available I'd download in a heartbeat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chiVMrWMHko:D

[Deriaz]

If any screaming songs were released, I, personally, would avoid them like the plague. In my opinion, when I play Rock Band and I'm Vocals, I play to sing. Not to talk/scream (Which is why I don't like Sabotage by the Beastie Boys. At all.).

As for having a crazy guitar chart, or even bass. . . Sure, that's great and all, but I'd never play it. Another reason I love Rock Band is because it isn't as. . . "Crazy", if that's a fitting word, as Guitar Hero. I mean, I look at some of the songs on Expert on there, and just think, "What drug do I need to take to grow that third hand?" (Through The Fire And Flames, anyone?) With Rock Band, I can pick up a guitar, and do Expert with (moderate) ease. Sure, I screw up once in awhile, but at least I don't have to have a seizure on the frets.

As for drums. . . Meh. Once again, if there's a metal song released that has drums that are just plain impossible to do (Unless you practice for 25 hours a day. >>), I just will refuse to do it.

Basically, I guess this whole little rant boils down to. . .

If they release a metal/screaming song, or one that has any instrument that just doesn't seem humanly possible to play. . . Fine by me.

But you'll never see me playing it.

-D

[Fretbored]

Okay i guess you consider it bad that is your opinion you might as well put a backstreet boys dlc. Seriously, I cant wait for the new nsync pack. Post a video of you screaming. Screaming is a STYLE and does require talent. Its really hard because it strains your voice so much. Matt Heafy had surgery because of it.

[swordinstone]

wow, relax kids

I agree, the game needs more metal...

However, I also enjoy Bowie, Rush, Police, and all the other Southern & Classic rock... if you dont, well sorry. I dont like the pop-punk and emo-metal songs in the game, but crying about them, or telling people who do like it, that it sux, or isnt "real music" is gonna do what? Start a fight? Whats the point of a internet flame war exactly? Grow up please, or at least go elsewhere to get your e-ttention. :rolleyes:

[Deriaz]

Okay i guess you consider it bad that is your opinion you might as well put a backstreet boys dlc. Seriously, I cant wait for the new nsync pack. Post a video of you screaming. Screaming is a STYLE and does require talent. Its really hard because it strains your voice so much. Matt Heafy had surgery because of it.

That's great that it's a style. I won't deny that. It takes talent to go up on a concert stage and scream through the whole concert. (Please note: There's no sarcasm in there. I really do think it takes talent.)

Now, to be honest again. . . I would have taken your post a lot more seriously if there wasn't the Backstreet Boys/N*SYNC thing attached with it. :rolleyes:

Again, yes, screaming is a talent. I won't deny that. But I just don't see the point of playing it in Rock Band. . . When any song that has actual singing in it takes just as much talent to do. It's not easy for everyone to hit the right pitches, change octaves, etc.

I guess what this whole thread boils down to is a "I like metal. Let's see more of it!" vs. "No. No metal." thing, with a few greys in-between.

-D

[Shados]

Some vocalists can sing amazingly well, and scream. Jimmy Urine from Mindless Self Indulgence comes to mind. =3

[Fretbored]

Lmao yeah Im sure some people laughed at that comment but this was not intended to star a flame war. The purpose was to see why metal is rejected as a whole and what can be changed to fix that. Why do people say that I'm ranting when they contradict themselves and do the same. When I play Rock band I love some of the music up there but I'm trying to open up minds to new thinking. If everyone thought like you we wouldnt have game like Pikmin, Little Big Planet or even Rock Band.

[TheCrimsonSaint]

Umm, Fretbored, you're the only one starting anything. Edit: I'm not forcing my ideas on anyone. It seems that you are. You talk like you hate anything that is not metal. Therefore, I tell you what you tell us: open your mind to new ways of thinking.

[Fretbored]

(sigh)yeah I started the thread..

[TheCrimsonSaint]

Yes, but you are also the one who responds to opposing opinions not only with criticism, but with (as some might take them) personal attacks. I'm sorry that you don't agree with my taste in music, but trust me when I say that I am not the one in need of a "musical slap in the face".

[Fretbored]

Are you serious. Look at your music 101 section. I find that very offensive, as a personal, attack, as fuel for a flame war. Its how you keep threads alive. If you read any of my previous posts. I mentioned that I like songs from the game. If you want me to be specific Black Hole Sun, Welcome Home, Train Kept Rolling, I loveeeee even I'm So Sick okay?

[TheCrimsonSaint]

How immature. However, I do appreciate you opening up your other tastes in music a little.

[Fretbored]

Wow thank you. I can be a little direct sometimes like your music 101. Still how is Metallica terrible?

[TheCrimsonSaint]

This is Metallica's formula: Power chord (repeat), buzz chord (repeat), add three note riff (repeat sparingly), buzz more, and repeat the process liberally (except for the riffs. Can't have too many of those). In short, Metallica is a lot of buzzy, repeating noise. Kirk Hammet obviously has talent (see the solo from "One"), but it is sadly wasted with an untalented drummer, an ordinary bassist, and a singer with the personality of an undercooked squid (I use the term singer lightly here). That's my opinion, and no one has ever changed my mind.

[awilhelmscreamer]

i agree with the title

no one does care for metal.

sure the instrumentals are pretty sick, ill give you that.

but there's no vocal variation (or hardly any)
it's all just the same screaming, how can HARMONIX possibly put the monster screaming into different pitches for a vocal track in rock band.

and what about the double bass pedaling.
how can they do that and not take away from the feel of the music?

[colony_of_birchmen]

are u kidding me?
metallica had an amazing bassist listen to their early stuff with cliff burton especially pulling teeth id like to see a average bassist do that
maiden is good but they're nothing compared to metallica

[TheCrimsonSaint]

Cliff Burton double-strummed. He double-strummed well, but he also never strayed far from the same six notes in any given song. I have nothing against Burton, but he's not spectacular. Metallica also has no vocals. James Hetfield is possibly the worst metal vocalist ever, which is a shame because his song-writing talents were brilliant. By the way, your grammar could use some work.

[Shados]

Power chord (repeat), buzz chord (repeat), add three note riff (repeat sparingly), buzz more, and repeat the process liberally (except for the riffs. Can't have too many of those).

You described thrash metal, not Metallica. And you forgot the solos.

[Fretbored]

Dude you are so right. Their drummer is mad lame. No doubt thats why I'm hoping that people keep replying to this. Here's a perfect win/win situation they add lets say an Avenged Sevenfold pack with songs like Unholy, Bat Country, Critical Acclaim. Synyster Gates is a real good guitarist. A band like that though not really metal definitely has that hard edge and that can add that much more dynamic to the game. Am I wrong?

[Shados]

Is this a thread requesting metal or Avenged Sevenfold? Make up your mind.

[TheCrimsonSaint]

I don't have much love in me for Avenged Sevenfold either. Now, unlike Metallica, Avenged Sevenfold is so full of talent it's damn near unbelievable. My only issue with them is that they can't seem to find an identity as a band. Their drummer sounds like he belongs with Shadows Fall, their guitarists sound like they belong with Ozzy, and their vocalist sounds like he belongs with Metallica (there's an idea...). For me, at least, Beast and the Harlot is the only song where A7F really hit their stride, and the result was a fantastic song. I'd love to see that song, but I can't really say for sure about the others you mentioned.

[TheCrimsonSaint]

You described thrash metal, not Metallica. And you forgot the solos.

Forgive me, I did forget the solos. Most of them are really technical stuff. However, I stand by the formula. I've found that Metallica is thrash metal slowed down by about twenty speeds.

[Fretbored]

(here we go again) look A7X is a good example in terms of talent and how metal can make sense in Rock Band. Metal IS the point of this thread. They are just minor examples of how metal can and needs to be incorporated.

[Fretbored]

Forgive me, I did forget the solos. Most of them are really technical stuff. However, I stand by the formula. I've found that Metallica is thrash metal slowed down by about twenty speeds.
Wow you have a great view of music. Anyone who loves music as much as I is ok in my book.

[Horrified]

Can "u" guys grow up? But that's for a different topic.

And how about trying to do something like make a petition, for example, on getting some heavier bands? And I don't think they're keen on screaming vocal songs, because that style can sometimes be dangerous to the health of your voice, and I don't think the detectors would be good enough to grab the words out of screamed vocals.

There's good metal that doesn't have all screaming out there, though. They've shown in a couple bonus songs that a few words being screamed isn't that big of a deal, which is why I requested for Pantera, and if that isn't metal, you don't honestly know what you're talking about.

[Fretbored]

Pantera is metal no arguing there. I think its pretty rude how people posts always start with bad mouthing. Petitions can start strong but usually end quickly. To me this is like a petition but with reason, ya know?

[Fretbored]

Can "u" guys grow up? But that's for a different topic.

And how about trying to do something like make a petition, for example, on getting some heavier bands? And I don't think they're keen on screaming vocal songs, because that style can sometimes be dangerous to the health of your voice, and I don't think the detectors would be good enough to grab the words out of screamed vocals.

There's good metal that doesn't have all screaming out there, though. They've shown in a couple bonus songs that a few words being screamed isn't that big of a deal, which is why I requested for Pantera, and if that isn't metal, you don't honestly know what you're talking about.
On the same token thats why I said A7x

[TheCrimsonSaint]

If you want metal with vocals, check out Kamelot. Now, I know they're more like progressive metal than hardcore metal, but Roy Khan (the vocalist) has the best voice and range I've heard since the likes of Freddie Mercury and Bruce Dickinson. If I had to classify Kamelot, I'd put them as Orchestral Power Metal. For some of their more metal stuff, check out the album "The Black Halo". For their more orchestral stuff, check out "Ghost Opera". For a sort of hybrid that is becoming their signature, check out "The Human Stain", a song off of the "Ghost Opera" album.

[Fretbored]

Interesting...

[Vriess]

You explained it perfectly yourself fretbored, Guitar hero has much more challenging and guitar-centric songs such as TTFAF and you know what? that is fine. I sure as heck wouldn't want to play that in rock band, since it would really make a terrible "Band" song.

They have been looking for songs that are fun, recognizable, and profitable, but most importantly, play well in a band setting.

Regardless of how awesome anyone feels the hardcore metal bands are, most just do not play well in a band setting or would be an extremely difficult set of songs where people would be turned off from playing them.

I personally feel those songs should stay in Guitar Hero, where the difficulty is much higher and again, more guitar oriented for obvious reasons.

[Cerealkillr]

I think hmx should throw in at least a metal pack, as has already been mentioned. I mean, I don't have a problem with them releasing DLC I don't like. I just don't buy it. So I don't see why they are worried about some people not liking Metal DLC. I think those of us who started w/ GH1 or GH2 and were weaned on genuinely difficult guitar solos should get a little fan service in teh form of guitar songs that are fun to play. Which is why metal would be so great in RB in my opinion, beyond being just good music. So to conclude, they should release some metal songs and those who don't like them, dont' have to download them. Just like I don't have to download the Monkees.

[Shredder87]

Man, TheCrimsonKnight is bagging on Metallica!!!hahahaha. There is no doubt that Metallica helped influence a whole generation of musicians as Black Sabbath did before it(after all both bands are a huge influence on me.)

I listen to old school metal. I'm not very fond of any new bands to come out in the past 10 months. The only great band to come out is Dethklok, and they're not even a band!!!

As for Metal songs to be in Rock Band, I would love to see some Pantera, Megadeth, Testament, and Danzig.

[Vriess]

I think hmx should throw in at least a metal pack, as has already been mentioned. I mean, I don't have a problem with them releasing DLC I don't like. I just don't buy it. So I don't see why they are worried about some people not liking Metal DLC. I think those of us who started w/ GH1 or GH2 and were weaned on genuinely difficult guitar solos should get a little fan service in teh form of guitar songs that are fun to play.

Depending on the band/songs chosen, they could be great additions to rock band.

But the biggest reason you won't get psychotic guitar songs in Rock band is because most of those songs have very little for anyone else in the band to do beyond keep rhythm.

Those songs plain and simple do not belong in a game that is heavily designed for 4 people to be working together in a Make-Believe Band.

If you want to shred hardcore, then petition for those songs to be included on Guitar Hero, as it is much more likely they will appear there.

[Cerealkillr]

I'd have to respectfully disagree with you on that account. Take for example Tom Sawyer. It is an amazing song. I love Rush. BUT from a RB standpoint it is pretty boring for everyone but the drummer. I mean it's in the 2nd to last tier for guitar and it has like... 2 hard parts. And they aren't even hard. They're basic Hammer-ons. And a lot of the other songs are straight up powerchords for the guitar. So my question is if they are willing to make primarily drum songs (Won't Get Fooled Again and Tom Sawyer) and primarily singing songs (Creep) then I would like some guitar-centric songs as well. Now mind you, I'm not arguing AGAINST songs like I mentioned. I love playing them, even if they're a tad boring, because they are great songs. I would just like to see a few guitar-centric songs. Also, I'm sure there are such songs that do incorporate at least some variation for the other instruments.

[Shados]

You explained it perfectly yourself fretbored, Guitar hero has much more challenging and guitar-centric songs such as TTFAF and you know what? that is fine. I sure as heck wouldn't want to play that in rock band, since it would really make a terrible "Band" song.

They have been looking for songs that are fun, recognizable, and profitable, but most importantly, play well in a band setting.

Regardless of how awesome anyone feels the hardcore metal bands are, most just do not play well in a band setting or would be an extremely difficult set of songs where people would be turned off from playing them.

I personally feel those songs should stay in Guitar Hero, where the difficulty is much higher and again, more guitar oriented for obvious reasons.

What he said. There might be some really difficult songs for the whole band eventually, but currently, I don't think there should be.

[DreAdAwaKeNinG]

I've seen this come up a couple times in this thread, and I really hate the generalization that people don't want to sing metal. While I'm sure this is true in some cases, did anyone ever thing that there are people out there who don't want to sing pop-rock songs from the 60's and 70's? Because I sure don't.

Vocals, even in "popular, mainstream" rock songs of today have a ton more screaming/growling/pig-squealing, a style of vocals that didn't appear in the eighties.

And, I know people have a point. There's probably some forty year olds out there who don't want to scream along to Lamb of God, Trivium, Primer 55, Mudvayne, God Forbid, etc.

Just like there's eighteen and nineteen year olds out there who don't want to sing along to Rush, Queen, Aerosmith, etc.

Personally, I can't sing pop/soft rock/oldies songs. Though I can belt belt out just about anything from Mudvayne/Disturbed/Lamb of God/Killswitch Engage, etc.

A lot of my friends are the same way.

There's never going to be a universal style of vocals in Rock Band that's going to please everyone. Therefore, I wish that HMX, and some of the people on this forums would realize that and stop writing off songs because of the screaming vocals involved in them.

Just my two cents.

[Shados]

I think it's already been said in this topic, but let me say it just in case: Harmonix would probably have trouble with the way the vocal system picks up the screaming/growling in metal.

[DreAdAwaKeNinG]

Ah, see, that's what I get for not reading through an entire seven pages of a topic before posting. :P

That sucks, though.

[Shados]

Whoops, left out a couple important words. Reread my post.

[DreAdAwaKeNinG]

Re-read.

And I agree, it makes sense, though I really hope that isn't the case. :(

[DethBoxx]

I sing Cherry Bomb with cookie monster vocals. Try it, it's hilarious.

[Shados]

Actually, yeah, you could just sing every one of these songs in growling/screeching/screaming voices and see how good you do on the actual song. It'd make for a humorous playthrough with friends that don't care about score.

[DethBoxx]

I forgot to mention I turn the recorded vocal track all the way down to get the full effect.

[DreAdAwaKeNinG]

One of my buddies just makes some weird noise all the way through both of the Weezer songs. It's pretty funny.

Kinda random though.

[Senkoy]

I also want more metal and songs that are just funner to play. I got and i liked all of those $.99 songs but god damn the repetitive chords! Those songs are so god damn boring to play on guitar. We need more songs that are fun and pump you up. But im sure Hmx knows we want this and will listen to us. Heck, they might be working on a lot of metal stuff as we speak. I sure hope so at least.

[DethBoxx]

I'm hoping for the full album of Ride the Lightning since the Metallica pack sold so well.
But I am in for any kind of metal except that glam 80s crap.

[Skuuba]

Wow... Yay for terrible grammar and post format. It's not no one cares for metal. Metal just causes some complications when coming up with charts for instruments. Screaming vocals don't necessarily translate well when you can barely hear what they are saying and there's no pitch either. Then the double bass pedal... a bit difficult with one foot, unless you are like me and are working on constructing my own. Guitar and bass work fine though. There's also the rating issue. They probably have to censor some songs. So dude, whatever your name is, chill.

[TheCrimsonSaint]

Found the perfect hardcore band for Rock Band: Every Time I Die. Keith Buckley blends screaming and singing very well, and the rest of the band is pretty talented, particularly the guitars. I'd love to see ETID as DLC.

[GNRrockslife]

If we get any metal, I want real metal, bands like Slayer, Motorhead, Priest, Megadeth, etc. But most importantly, a Sabbath song with Dio!

[des]

there are REAL metal bands: IRON MAIDEN? RUSH? METALLICA? we just need more like DIO, MONTLEY CRUE, VAN HALEN, LED ZEPPLIN, ETC. everyone keeps mentioning bands like SHADOWS FALL, SLAYER, LAMB OF GOD, but the problem with these bands is your kidding yourself if you think you can play the bass drum at 200 bpm. its hard to do that kind of doublebass with real drum pedals let a lone with these ****ty toy ones. even if you had two pedals i dont think it would work. i play fast double bass drumming in real life and i struggle with the rock band pedal. i think we have to accept the fact that this is only a game and its just not at that kind of level yet. dont get me wrong..... SHADOWS FALL is my favorite band. jason bittner was drummer of the year.

[TheCrimsonSaint]

Motley Crue and Led Zeppelin aren't metal. Neither is Rush. Or Metallica. The Crue is hair metal. Zeppelin is classic rock. Rush is progressive rock. Metallica is just garbage. Iron Maiden, Dio, Ozzy, Shadows Fall... those are real metal bands. Also, double bass can be simulated, so I don't see it as a huge obstacle.

[deevineh8tred]

i couldnt agree more with u, fretbored...seriously, this game needs some newer metal (not talking bout nu metal lol) and the bands u listed (trivium, LOG!!!! and machine head) are amazing bands i saw them all play at the same show ,and LOG is my fav...there definitely needs to be more people out there that think the same way as us man...and that double pedal idea: golden! im so sick of this 80's metal..its fine and all but it gets old and its not challenging enough..lamb of god, slayer, trivium, killswitch engage, and soilwork have all been on guitar hero so why the hell cant they be on rock band?

[deevineh8tred]

thecrimsonsaint, how can u say metallica is terrible, i'm fine with u saying new metallica is bad, but come on master of puppets? that has to be one of the best albums of all time...and how the hell can u bash slayer? and ur right, mainstream does not equal bad, it equals boring repetition, at least in the modern rock scene today. and yeah dragonforce may do that, but can u? u make it sound so easy man lol oh and u kinda contradicted urself w/the motley crue thing, u said they werent metal, theyre hair metal (thats a form of metal buddy) anyways, maiden is a great band but this thread is about newer, heavier stuff like lamb of god and shadows fall as u mentioned...i guess i just feel like u need to take it easy bashing these bands that have had a huge impact on the metal scene..

[Ardius]

How about bands with real talent like Trivium, Lamb of God, Machine Head. Bands with complex riffs and sophisticated drumming but most importantly screaming vocals.

lol, fail.
See:
Emperor, Bolt Thrower, Behemoth, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Slayer, Death, Dream Theater, iced Earth, Nile, Pantera, Bathory or Amon Amarth.

Also, caps lock is not a toy.

[deevineh8tred]

dude u tell me right now how lamb of god has no talent! seriously man, the bands u listed are good (especially slayer, behemoth, amon amrth, and nile) but dude u think lamb of god has no talent? why?

[Ardius]

dude u tell me right now how lamb of god has no talent! seriously man, the bands u listed are good (especially slayer, behemoth, amon amrth, and nile) but dude u think lamb of god has no talent? why?

I never said such a thing. However, they are hardly the essential band to start with when naming the best of the metal genre.

[iamtheddrman]

I think the point most of you are missing is that metal is not the biggest genre of rock. Understandably, neither is pop rock (a la The Monkees). But the problem lies in this: most non-metalheads will not buy metal DLC because 1)they don't like metal or how it sounds 2)it's way too hard to be enjoyable to the average player 3)they simply aren't songs they've heard of.

I think that the argument that they've made to much MAINSTREAM ROCK in Rock Band is actually pretty funny. I mean, it is a game that they sell for profit. In order to maximize profit, they need to get bands/songs that people actually know. So far, most of the DLC has met that criterion. Not all of it has, but they've offered up some pretty awesome songs in an attempt to please everybody.

While trying to get out some DLC for the bigger bands, they have also attempted to appease metalheads by including Maiden and a whole Metallica pack. If you don't like them, Harmonix can't do anything about it. Releasing something by Lamb of God or Slayer will definitely make their fans happy, but the masses will be upset over the difficulty and/or lack of music that they want in the game. And the new March announcement features a lot of thrash/metal/whatever. Personally, I have no interest in any of it, except the 2nd week which has some classics.

So to sum it up: Be happy for the DLC coming in March, as you metalheads will be getting a pretty heavy dose of metal. Don't expect EVERY week to have metal in it, because not EVERY week has punk, or classic rock, or pop rock, or... the list goes on. They can't release every genre every week.

[bassplayer7p1s]

There should be more metal, but if there is going to be metal it shouldn't be Trivium. They should add some Bullet for My Valentine and some Shadows Fall. These are only suggestions I'm not trying to demand things from the makers.

[Cyclonus]

Well i for one would love to see more metal but i do understand that the game is clearly catered to the public and is supposed to have mainstream appeal.

I personally listen to stuff like Aborted and Origin but i really dont expect that be available for download.

However i would like to see some middle ground stuff like Slipknot....or Lamb of God like people have mentioned.

Ooohh, how about a Meshuggah song? That would be cool to try and play that w/ all the off beat and timing rhythyms.