whats harder? rb or gh?

[grebber1]

hello all. was just wondering how you feel about this game. and on expert mode guitar, which is harder to play?
rb or gh

[dfjdejulio]

GH3 is harder, because they apparently add in extra notes that don't correspond to anything in the music in order to make it harder. GH3 is also considerably harder than GH2 and GH1 for the same reason.

[grebber1]

ahhh that would explain why i ripped off 18 in a row on expert and on gh3 im not sure if i could even get through the first few songs

[AllMe]

GH3 is harder, because they apparently add in extra notes that don't correspond to anything in the music in order to make it harder. GH3 is also considerably harder than GH2 and GH1 for the same reason.

WRONG. GH is the hardest game of all. The timing window is way tight and the HO and PO don't work that well so you need to do some seriously crazy strumming with seriously crazy fingering during the solos. The GH series gets progressively easier as they go on. The timing opens up and the HO/PO become simplistic...if you know what you're doing. That being said...Rock Band is super easy, it's the same as GHIII medium with the inclusion of an orange. However Rock Band is a different concept all together so there is really no need to compare them.

[Lord SIlverfish]

GH3 is the easiest of the GHs... the loose timing window makes hard looking things VERY easy.

GH2 is the most difficult, in terms of the average song, and the hardest songs in the game.

GH3 note charts LOOK harder, but none of them put up much resistance given a bit of effort (I don't count the final battle with Lou, I just ignored that one).

Rock Band's note charts are easy on average, but some of the solos are as hard as anything in GH2 (jordan excluded)... GGAHT, and two of the metallica songs have solos I haven't gotten thru yet.

[dfjdejulio]

WRONG. GH is the hardest game of all. The timing window is way tight and the HO and PO don't work that well so you need to do some seriously crazy strumming with seriously crazy fingering during the solos.

Huh. GH is what I trained up on, and I never got into the habit of using HO and PO at all (though now, on RB, I am starting to), so that must be why the reverse feels true to me.

[NikkiLove]

I think the GH series is more difficult on the whole.

[Tender-Surrender]

How about a better question, like, Which is more fun?

:)

Rock Band! Who care's about difficulty when you are having fun.

That being said, I have a lot of trouble on RB guitar, but I did drums for 2 months, that could be the issue!

[The_Wurm]

This is a weird subject because Gh3 note charts are much harder than rock bands, but the window of opportunity to actually hit the notes on GH3 is about as wide the Mississippi. Rock Band's window is much smaller requiring more rhythm to actually hit the notes.

So, if you can move your fingers really fast (regardless of them corresponding with the notes on screen), then GH3 is really easy.

For me (5 starred every Gh song in existance[cept DWDTG]) I find Rock Band harder just because of the window. This is how i rate the difficulty

*Overall Difficulty*

Easy--------------------Hard
Gh3 < RB < Gh80s < Gh < Gh2(just cause jordan/free bird)


**Note Charts**

Easy---------------------******ed
Rb < GH < Gh2 < Gh80s < Gh3


**Window for hitting notes**
Easy---------------------Hardest
Gh3 < Gh80s < Gh2 < RB < Gh

[GreyFoxx]

Go Expert Drums on RB and you dont have to worry about the guitar.

[AllMe]

Go Expert Drums on RB and you dont have to worry about the guitar.

Exactly, which is why I wrote this
However Rock Band is a different concept all together so there is really no need to compare them. as a disclaimer to my personal comparison.

[DesiredFX]

What I was going to say--though I came in a couple posts late--was that the singing and the drumming are much harder in Rock Band than in Guitar Hero...

[griffinmills]

WRONG. GH is the hardest game of all. The timing window is way tight and the HO and PO don't work that well so you need to do some seriously crazy strumming with seriously crazy fingering during the solos. The GH series gets progressively easier as they go on. The timing opens up and the HO/PO become simplistic...if you know what you're doing. That being said...Rock Band is super easy, it's the same as GHIII medium with the inclusion of an orange. However Rock Band is a different concept all together so there is really no need to compare them.

WRONG (Thought I'd match your attitude and raise you a bold!)
GH1: Played through it and only found that the hopo basically don't work, other than that (and aside the fact that you couldn't even play it in any sort of hi-def) it seemed about the same as GH2 in difficulty with only a few standouts (Cowboys from Hell gave me a bit of trouble way back then) but it lacked the obvious challenges implemented in GH2 like Jordan or anything from the final tier ala Freebird.

GH2: Fixed hopo, had a pretty good difficulty ramp with some really random hangups along the way. I know I'm repeating myself but feels about the same as GH1 with some added challenges added on.

GH3: Nonsensical note charts on lower difficulties which come from what feel to be artificially-inflated-in-challenge-higher-difficulty note charts. There was a overall method to the madness in GH2 difficulty note chart progression, GH3 just feels like they mathematically reduced the notes or chords->notes, etc. DWDTG and TTFaF are silly and practically make fun of GH difficulties in its style of gameplay implementation. Timing windows for notes and hopo (hopo especailly) are gigantic, possibly to account for wireless guitar lag?

To reduce all of that to a simple anecdote, nobody I know who played GH2 thought GH3 was easier.:rolleyes:

RB: Guitar playing limited to Lead or Bass, whichever you are playing. This prevents problems like in Institutionalized(GH2) where you get different note charts in multiplayer/singleplayer because you don't have to play both simultaneously. This fact alone would limit the difficulty. Spiritual successor to a challenge like Freebird exists in GGaHT but nothing like TTFaF or DWDTG yet. Excellent attempt to keep note charts "accurate" to what you are hearing and playing also limit artificial difficulty creep. Singing and Drumming aren't represented in GH so a bit unfair to compare. Suffice to say, both present unique challenges and limitations on the player not present in Guitar.

RB often allows me to slip into that GH2 subspace where you can imagine you are actually playing what you are hearing. GH3, on top of having some really BAD covers, tends to drag me out of that fun-zone for a variety of reasons.

Honestly, compared to the vast amount of discussion that has gone down in the last 3-4 months, I'm surprised to hear folks turning around and saying RB is more difficult than GH (especially GH3) at all. Not that it matters AT F'N ALL, an amount of difficulty is present in both games and it is sufficient to make them both fun "enough" as games. If you want to stack the deck in RB's favor just challenge someone to play 2, 3 or even all 4 instruments at once.:cool:

[chillzatl]

GH3 is the easiest of the GHs... the loose timing window makes hard looking things VERY easy.

GH2 is the most difficult, in terms of the average song, and the hardest songs in the game.

GH3 note charts LOOK harder, but none of them put up much resistance given a bit of effort (I don't count the final battle with Lou, I just ignored that one).

Rock Band's note charts are easy on average, but some of the solos are as hard as anything in GH2 (jordan excluded)... GGAHT, and two of the metallica songs have solos I haven't gotten thru yet.

That's it in a nutshell, IMO. GH3 is nerfed and the note charts are borked to make up for it.

I think the timing on RB is much more like GH2 and once the game has more difficult songs everyone will see that it is on par with GH2 from a difficulty standpoint.

[BigBadFatKid]

maybe you guys havent played GH3 let me clear up this forum, it took me 6 hours per song on GH3 i had to go into practice for 75&#37; of the songs for 6 hours, there is always 1 song per chart that i can beat first time through and that gives me a very good feeling. But the other 4 are hell, Rock Band i beat every song on expert guitar first time through, until Green Grass Green Tides that song took me about 6 trys

[Bu11ze1]

i've beaten both on expert, all songs. GH3 is harder but not fun. The ONLY reason I ever even play gh3 anymore is for a few songs such as Devil Went down to Georgia, Through the Fire and Flames, One, Cliffs of Dover and We Three Kings. If these songs were in rock band I would never touch gh3 again..the charts are a joke.

I'd go as far to say that Blackened and Ride the Lightning along with the new Rush song coming out are more difficult to play well (not just pass) then anything gh3 has to offer because of the timing window.

[chillzatl]

maybe you guys havent played GH3 let me clear up this forum, it took me 6 hours per song on GH3 i had to go into practice for 75% of the songs for 6 hours, there is always 1 song per chart that i can beat first time through and that gives me a very good feeling. But the other 4 are hell, Rock Band i beat every song on expert guitar first time through, until Green Grass Green Tides that song took me about 6 trys

That's just you. I 5*'d the first five sets on gh3 first attempt and didn't fail a song until I got to Raining Blood. Ride the lightening is the only RB song to date that has given me considerable trouble, but RB is still the better, more fun to play game on guitar. I'd go back and play GH2 before playing GH3 because the songs are snooze, the note charts are illogically difficult and overall the game is nerfed.

[chillzatl]

i've beaten both on expert, all songs. GH3 is harder but not fun. The ONLY reason I ever even play gh3 anymore is for a few songs such as Devil Went down to Georgia, Through the Fire and Flames, One, Cliffs of Dover and We Three Kings. If these songs were in rock band I would never touch gh3 again..the charts are a joke.

I'd go as far to say that Blackened and Ride the Lightning along with the new Rush song coming out are more difficult to play well (not just pass) then anything gh3 has to offer because of the timing window.

agreed. Cliffs of Dover is genuinely fun to play. I also enjoy Black Magic Woman and La Grange, but that could be the songs as much as the note charts.

[Dartagnan64]

I was a rhythm game newbie when GHIII came out. Tried it, loved it and managed to work my way up to Hard songs in a couple weeks. Then RB came out and I thought, "Great! Another rhythm game I can play with my wife since she's a good singer."

Haven't touched GHIII since opening the RB box.

I will say that to a guitar noob, RB charts are easier but still challenging and the progression is smoother. Jumping from Medium to Hard in GHIII nearly killed me. The speed, number of notes and use of the 5th fret was ridiculous. RB was far more intuitive so that by the time you were finished medium, it wasn't a big jump to start hard.

But in the end RB is superior because a) it has drums and vocals and bass guitar, b) the presentation is far more involving, c) 4 player multiplayer that hasn't been this much fun since Goldeneye, d) DLC keeps everything fresh

[ryank285]

I was a rhythm game newbie when GHIII came out. Tried it, loved it and managed to work my way up to Hard songs in a couple weeks. Then RB came out and I thought, "Great! Another rhythm game I can play with my wife since she's a good singer."

Haven't touched GHIII since opening the RB box.

I will say that to a guitar noob, RB charts are easier but still challenging and the progression is smoother. Jumping from Medium to Hard in GHIII nearly killed me. The speed, number of notes and use of the 5th fret was ridiculous. RB was far more intuitive so that by the time you were finished medium, it wasn't a big jump to start hard.

But in the end RB is superior because a) it has drums and vocals and bass guitar, b) the presentation is far more involving, c) 4 player multiplayer that hasn't been this much fun since Goldeneye, d) DLC keeps everything fresh

Must be nice to have 2 guitars to play 4 player multiplayer.

[kaiserkreb]

GH2 is the hardest so far, I don't even consider GH3 a guitar hero game. It's just a mini game from a yet to be announced tony hawk game. =P
Tony Hawk's Boom Boom Huck Jam the game or something, lol

I just don't like gh3. Sorry

[ryank285]

GH2 is the hardest so far, I don't even consider GH3 a guitar hero game. It's just a mini game from a yet to be announced tony hawk game. =P
Tony Hawk's Boom Boom Huck Jam the game or something, lol

I just don't like gh3. Sorry

What is so bad about GH3? I have only played it once for a couple of songs and i don't remember noticing anything off kilter. Discuss...

[Dartagnan64]

Must be nice to have 2 guitars to play 4 player multiplayer.

To be honest I have 4 guitars (3 strats and a Les Paul) thanks to EA supports idiocy.

[ryank285]

To be honest I have 4 guitars (3 strats and a Les Paul) thanks to EA supports idiocy.

Interesting you got a Les Paul from EA Sports since they only make Fender Strats for Rock Band.

[Thrashdragon]

The hardest tier of songs on Rock Band (and some of the DLC) are more difficult to play than the hardest tier of GHIII songs. Guitar Hero III's sloppy timing allowance makes shredding easy, while RB's tight window makes you be extremely precise. However, the majority of Rock Band's song selection are songs that are generally easier on guitar than the setlist in GHIII.

[cyanide]

here's somethin i just noticed today (i've only had RB a few days now)

for the HO/PO's...on GH the notes were lit up in white. on RB, its just a smaller note? like i said i'm still new to the game, but this seems like it might be difficult to hit the HO/PO's? do i have a legitimate point here or is it not as bad as it seems?

[toad3000]

But in the end RB is superior because a) it has drums and vocals and bass guitar, b) the presentation is far more involving, c) 4 player multiplayer that hasn't been this much fun since Goldeneye, d) DLC keeps everything fresh

Hear hear. That sums it up about as well as anything I've read on here. Particularly c). :p

[toad3000]

here's somethin i just noticed today (i've only had RB a few days now)

for the HO/PO's...on GH the notes were lit up in white. on RB, its just a smaller note? like i said i'm still new to the game, but this seems like it might be difficult to hit the HO/PO's? do i have a legitimate point here or is it not as bad as it seems?

It's really just a matter of learning to recognize the way the HO/PO notes look. They're not as obvious in RB as they are in the GH series (different size and slightly different shape instead of a different color scheme), so you do have to pay attention at first, but it'll become second-nature eventually. Also the timing window to hit the HO/POs is definitely tighter than that of GH3, more like the window of GH2.

[cyanide]

sounds good. glad to be back on the hmx wagon. damn gh3 and their lack of dlc

[AllMe]

here's somethin i just noticed today (i've only had RB a few days now)

for the HO/PO's...on GH the notes were lit up in white. on RB, its just a smaller note? like i said i'm still new to the game, but this seems like it might be difficult to hit the HO/PO's? do i have a legitimate point here or is it not as bad as it seems?

When the tour bus came to town before the release I went to try it out. On the way home my boyfriend said "weren't the HOPO cool?" I had NO idea what he was talking about:D It wasn't until the game came out did I see what he meant. lol But you get used to them quickly. Especially since the placement just makes sense.

[FrankieZ]

There is no doubt that rockband is easier, but it is by far more fun to play. When a game becomes too difficult, I lose interest. When I am getting carpul tunnel because I am stuck on a song for 2 weeks, it is no longer fun. Plus the therapy on my hand cuts into gaming time.

[kaiserkreb]

What is so bad about GH3? I have only played it once for a couple of songs and i don't remember noticing anything off kilter. Discuss...


Well, starting off with the visuals, terrible. I can't even play the song for laughing when they switch the cam to the drummer. The singer looks like a muppet with the huge mouth and hinge that opens and closes it. Huge whore outs to axe and pontiac for god only knows what reason. (money obviously but I mean still, why not get some more music related companies if you want advertisements) The music is fine, but for some reason expert is ramped up to ridiculous note scales, some featuring notes that have no relevance to the song, and then at the same time, they slackened the hit window so that you can just mash your way through everything regardless of how "tough" it looks. I remember on the knights of cydonia song where it has super fast strumming, akin to miserlou, and faster still, I got off strum a few times and the game was like, meh, you're fine, we won't even kill your multiplier.

Those are just a few reasons, and another reason being that the ho/po system is fairly different than gh2, which is probably just because I got really used to that system and preferred it, not so much a glitch as just something I never really got around out of spite. Obviously I'd much rather prefer Harmonix doing the GH sequels but now they're here, and so am I. =)
Besides, I can always fire up gh1, 2 and 80s, rock out and remember how it was back in the good ole days. lol

*edit* for the record, I do still prefer the red octane controllers but I have nothing at all against the strat. Mine has been solid so far. I just don't care for the strum bar all that much, I liked hearing the positive click when you strummed, mind you now I can play late into the evening with headphones without my girlfriend freaking on me for all the damn clicking noises downstairs. lol

[dfjdejulio]

That's just you.

This is actually a key point.

I think we all accept that if you break the difficulty down into different categories, the game that's "hardest" changes depending on what category you look at.

If you look at note charts, GH3 is freaking insane, like, worse than if you crossed Yngwie Malmsteen with an epileptic monkey and then gave it cocaine.

If you look at HO/PO timing, GH3 has training wheels on.

So, the simple question "which is harder?" does not have any answer at all. It's different for different people.

For me, there's no question that GH3 is the hardest of the GH series. GH2 is the one I personally found the most satisfying to play, and RB "feels" about the same as GH2 to me. But we've clearly proven YMMV.