cmon rock band! respond with songs!

[MrMet2087]

so this is twice in a 2 week span that guitar hero has released songs in their game, and some pretty cool songs too. But not only that, now they show up rock band by telling us 3, THREE! of their songs are in GH as well, it's time to drop some zeppelin and AC/DC on their asses!

[Tendoza]

Yeah, Im eagerly awaiting some new songs as well, the Nevermind announcement didn't do it for me, Im not a Nirvana fan and it's not available at launch.

[IbanezBassist_v2]

Just be patient. Info will be released when the feel like its time. With GH releasing all their info, they aren't going to have anything left but crap, as RB will unload the big guns.

[lithiumkc]

Just be patient. Info will be released when the feel like its time. With GH releasing all their info, they aren't going to have anything left but crap, as RB will unload the big guns.

Exactly.. It'll be like GH has a few songs left.. then RIGHT before it comes out or soon before, i can see HMX dropping some nukes on em. Song selection, modes, or just killer features. I bet they have tons in store for us.

[Schultzy]

"Remember; No Stairway."

That was Guitar Hero.
This is Rock Band.


Hehe, that'd be a cool slogan type thing.:)

[MrMet2087]

i would just rather see HMX drop some nukes on them now rather than wait, because guitar hero is ridin high right now, so i wanna see them get crippled with some ac/dc or zep.

[lithiumkc]

i would just rather see HMX drop some nukes on them now rather than wait, because guitar hero is ridin high right now, so i wanna see them get crippled with some ac/dc or zep.

GH doesn't come out til october. They will probably release some big names in late september early october before it comes out. This counters the games release and gets RB in the news around the same time it hits. Then they announce the rest of the songs in october leading up to it's release and they've got a huge wave of media to ride on out to its release.

GH is releasing info fairly early IMO. This is just what I'd do if i was in charge of the marketing and 'competing' with gh. Hit em WHEN it counts.

[MrMet2087]

OR, you could release a bomb now, then guitar hero would have nothing to respond with closer to their realese except for either more of the same, like ac/dc or zep, or nothing at all, then people will over look guitar hero and look at rock band cause they told us about it 1st, atleast thats how i feel, but i see your point as well

[Xzyliac]

Three words, one acronym: PAX.

[Schultzy]

"Remember; No Stairway."

That was Guitar Hero.
This is Rock Band.


Hehe, that'd be a cool slogan type thing.:)

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[TheRocker]

I Would Like it if They Just Announced 3 Songs or Even just 1

[MrMet2087]

I Would Like it if They Just Announced 3 Songs or Even just 1

yeah man, any news right about now would be great, just..ANYTHING! but especially to respond to guitar hero

[TheRocker]

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[SirAnonymous]

Here's an idea:

The very week that GHIII comes out, release the peripherials for Rock Band, then, put a small demo up on Xbox LIVE. It may seem stupid to release peripherials so long before the release of the game, but think about it: it puts a product with our name on it in stores so people become familliar with it, it assures that there is no shortage of what people want when the game comes out *cough360cough*, and it gives buyers an option to spend their money on an RB guitar to play their GHIII instead of on a GHIII bundle.

This way, we're hitting them when it counts without expending all of our ammunition for later.

[the_spike]

Here's an idea:

The very week that GHIII comes out, release the peripherials for Rock Band, then, put a small demo up on Xbox LIVE. It may seem stupid to release peripherials so long before the release of the game, but think about it: it puts a product with our name on it in stores so people become familliar with it, it assures that there is no shortage of what people want when the game comes out *cough360cough*, and it gives buyers an option to spend their money on an RB guitar to play their GHIII instead of on a GHIII bundle.

This way, we're hitting them when it counts without expending all of our ammunition for later.

I think I've said the same thing.

It would also give people more time to get the peripherals so there isn't as much of a shortage at game launch.

[TheRocker]

A demo With Past Gh1/2 Songs :D That be Sweet

[Eman311]

I actually think releasing peripherals ahead of time is a great great idea. I doubt they would do it though

[TheRocker]

I Think it be great for Ps3/360 Owners to Test out the Strat With Gh2

[Xzyliac]

I actually think releasing peripherals ahead of time is a great great idea. I doubt they would do it though

Stranger releases have happened. Can you say "Dreamcast launch"?

[ThePaska]

so this is twice in a 2 week span that guitar hero has released songs in their game, and some pretty cool songs too. But not only that, now they show up rock band by telling us 3, THREE! of their songs are in GH as well, it's time to drop some zeppelin and AC/DC on their asses!

How is taking three songs that are already in Rock Band, showing them up? If anything it makes GH look worse.

How much more news do you need, didn't we just learn that Nevermind will most likely be DLC only a few days ago?

Rock Band by no means needs to respond to GH, it doesn''t hold a candle to Rock Band at this point, more Rock Band info will be released all in good time, just be patient ;)

Releasing peripherals early, while quite unlikely would be an awesome idea if a demo was released simultaniously, it would be so cool to start the Rock Band experience off early!

[jordanbeard]

I can't wait to not buy GHIII! I hope Harmonix makes all the good songs coming to GHIII available as DLC for Rock Band... I can't believe Neversoft are so desperate...

[LordThorn]

You guys realize that Guitar Hero 3 and Rock Band probably both got the songs at the same time, right? It's not like the GH team saw the rock band songs and decided to get them then. They are in both games because they are good songs and easy to license. Songs are not being announced for these games as they are aquired, both games probably got them 6+ months ago. The GH team announced them because they have little news value anymore, since they now look like they are copying rock band with the songs.

Perhaps Harmonix got some inside info on the songs also being sold to Activision and decided to release the news first, in order to make Activision look like a fool.

I'm going to buy both GH and RB, and I think both will be fun. Some of you need to stop self-identifying with the people selling products to you. It's not like you have to pick one, and if you can't afford both, shouldn't you wait until they come out to decide what you want to spend your budget on?

That said, can you guys release some more song titles?

[Ferretwave]

When is PAX, I think I heard Rock Band would be there.

[sushi111]

Three words, one acronym: PAX.

Whoa mama, I think you might be right.

[cezar515]

When is PAX, I think I heard Rock Band would be there.

Correct me if i'm wrong but I believe PAX is August 24th-26th.

[IOIHUMMERIOI]

I need some news on songs! :D

Some Shadows Fall would be nice to hear. A little Redemption, What Drives the Weak, etc. I'm so ready for this game!

[Magnet]

You guys realize that Guitar Hero 3 and Rock Band probably both got the songs at the same time, right? It's not like the GH team saw the rock band songs and decided to get them then. They are in both games because they are good songs and easy to license. Songs are not being announced for these games as they are aquired, both games probably got them 6+ months ago.

I highly, highly, highly doubt Guitar Hero III coincidentally ended up with the same three songs Rock Band has. Out of all the Black Sabbath and The Strokes to choose from, they ended up using the exact same songs. There are even better guitar parts in other songs by The Strokes.

I think you have to be naive to consider this as a coincidence out of the millions of songs out there. Mississippi Queen alone came out of left field for Rock Band and I never imagined that having much of a place in Guitar Hero since most of it is very repetitive and easy.

I don't think you realize how much of a good marketing strategy it is to announce the same songs that are in Rock Band. It is very likely that higher-ups at Activision or RedOctane wanted this to happen and just copied the songs HMX already announced. Because GHIII will be released first, it is advantageous to have songs that will be in Rock Band. Why will people want to buy Rock Band when they already are playing the songs in GHIII? It's that philosophy that I believe whoever chose these songs for GHIII is using. I think they're trying to hurt early sales of Rock Band, and it will probably work.

The only real fault with their apparent plan (and it's a big one) is no way to decrease long term Rock Band sales. With DLC, there's almost nothing GHIII can do song wise to hurt Rock Band other than going huge with DLC as well (which we've heard no plans of yet).

I would not be surprised to see up to five more songs shared between the two games in the coming months.

[admanimal]

You're right, it's probably not coincidence, but I would be surprised if it was a plan by Harmonix or Activision, either. More than likely the record labels are only willing to license certain songs by certain bands for video games, and these duplicate songs that we are seeing are probably the songs the labels want to license for these particular artists.

[Blue88]

I can't wait to not buy GHIII! I hope Harmonix makes all the good songs coming to GHIII available as DLC for Rock Band... I can't believe Neversoft are so desperate...

I don't see what's stopping Harmonix from doing that.

You could be on to something.

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[the_spike]

I'm not sure if this has been said here about the same songs in RB and GH3...

Maybe they licensed these a while back when RO and Harmonix were still together and instead of leaving one side out a certain rights, the rights were given to both sides.

Also, Rock Band needs more songs announced, so far GH3 is kicking ass in the songs category.

[Magnet]

Maybe they licensed these a while back when RO and Harmonix were still together and instead of leaving one side out a certain rights, the rights were given to both sides.

You license songs for very specific things. This could be one of the reasons why the GH2 DLC has been awful so far. They could not have been thinking about licensing the songs in GH1 for DLC in the second game when they made the first PS2 game.

Some TV shows that use licensed music have problems seeing DVD releases because the music licensing would need to be renegotiated.

It's all very specific so I can't see RO having anything to do with Rock Band's licensing when RO has nothing to do with the game. Even if the licenses were granted when HMX was with RO, it's extremely unlikely that GH3 was in that agreement.

It is likely, however, that the licensing was obtained specifically for RB when HMX was aligned with RO. Then afterward RO realized it would probably be easy to go back and gain licensing for the same material for GH3.

I wish someone from HMX would just tell us if RedOctane or Activision had anything to do with these songs at the time they were licensed for Rock Band. Then there wouldn't need to be so much useless gossip over it.

[sushi111]

I'm not sure if this has been said here about the same songs in RB and GH3...

Maybe they licensed these a while back when RO and Harmonix were still together and instead of leaving one side out a certain rights, the rights were given to both sides.

Also, Rock Band needs more songs announced, so far GH3 is kicking ass in the songs category.

Yes they do. Not because GH3 has better songs (because I think they are about even now for me), but the fact that they announced so many songs for GH3, and here we are almost 3 months away and we know less than half of the songs for Rock Band. A three or four song announcement with one or two huge names is exactly what Rock Band needs to stop GH3s hype dead in its tracks.

I think will get this by August's end.

[TheTogfather]

Nah, Rock Band still has the HUGE edge. Not even considering the addition of vocals and drums (which some people just don't have an interest in), if all you were looking forward to was guitar play, it's still going to be at least as feature rich as Guitar Hero, with the ability to play co-op with THREE other people instead of just ONE. Then there's the online portion, which personally I have MUCH greater faith in HMX to do right than Neversoft. And finally there's DLC. We haven't heard one word about GH3 DLC, whereas HMX is promising us a whole lot of goodies.

The only thing that GH3 has going for it is that they do not have to consider drum and vocal parts when choosing a song (of course, by choosing Rock Band confirmed songs they're completely negating that advantage). That's it. Every other category is awarded to Rock Band. So, I guess if you were only 100% percent interested in guitar play, and not all that concerned about co-op or playing online, then maybe you'd see GH3 as possibly being equal, or maybe even a little ahead of, Rock Band. Me, personally, I'll probably still buy both, but I just know my Rock Band playtime will dwarf GH3's.

[Coldplayer]

so this is twice in a 2 week span that guitar hero has released songs in their game, and some pretty cool songs too. But not only that, now they show up rock band by telling us 3, THREE! of their songs are in GH as well, it's time to drop some zeppelin and AC/DC on their asses!

If it's Stairway and Thunderstruck, then okay.

But I would rather like to see some The Cure, Radiohead, Placebo or Bloc Party.

Anyway. I want new songs too. I hope we'll get some soon.

[JimNasium]

There's so much information still to be released about this game. Vs., Vs. online, co-op, co-op online, character creator, songs on the game, downloadable songs, things we don't know about, etc. With only (around) 3 months before release, I'd really like to see a weekly announcement. 12 or 13 weeks left, so you could easily fill in lots of information each week. It'd get people excited about the game, and it'd be much better than a purge of information coming out a couple of weeks before release

[TheRocker]

If it's Stairway and Thunderstruck, then okay.

But I would rather like to see some The Cure, Radiohead, Placebo or Bloc Party.

Anyway. I want new songs too. I hope we'll get some soon.

Bloc Party has some awesome songs that be perfect for Guitar and Drums
" Helicopter " " She's Hearing Voices "

[Terranova]

To be honest i couldn't care less if GH 3 had Rock bands entire set list because as far as we know what's on the GH 3 disc is all your getting where as we know with rock band there will be far far more with DLC including full albums i know which one i prefer.

As to whether Harmonix should announce more Tracks now i don't see it being to essential just yet.. GH 3 is due in October they need to start hyping their game some what, two months may seem long but it can fly by.. Rock band isn't due until November/December they can wait until September before they need to start getting the ball rolling faster.. just my opinion i'm sure others think differently.

[Apples]

Rock Band has a smaller setlist, thus it would not be in their best interests to announce all their good stuff now and leave nothing for later. :cool:

Also, not responding in the face of big GH3 news is an unspoken jab at GH3... it says "we're confident enough in our own product and the information out there that we don't need to follow up with our own annoucment". In my best Sean Connery voice, "I'm not impressed!"


If Harmonix gets desperate for good press, they can always bribe the community with trips to their studio. I hear that gets you your own news board on Scorehero.

[bounchfx]

Rock Band has a smaller setlist, thus it would not be in their best interests to announce all their good stuff now and leave nothing for later. :cool:


where the hell are you getting this from?

GH3 said they would have over 70 songs. Rock band has 40 Main list + undisclosed amount of bonus songs + downloadable albums (same week most likely) and songs EVERY WEEK.

even discounting the d/l songs, there is probably going to be a fair amount of bonus songs in RB, so I'd say it's probably going to be around the same amount of songs as GH3.

Harmonix wants to pack as much value as they can in the game, which i'm sure they will do.

I just wish they would start announcing more songs XD

[FatWilma]

Just think if they released even 5 or so new songs with 1 being from a band that lots of people are clammoring for like Radiohead, AC/DC or Bloc Party...mass hysteria!

[JonnyK]

I'm planning on buying rock band no matter what, but if GH3 has raining blood and Thru the fire and flames, and rock band doesn't, i'm going to have to buy GH3 And rock band, and i don't want to do that.

Please harmonix, save me some money and put slayer / dragonforce on rock band :P

[PurpleHaze]

Also, not responding in the face of big GH3 news is an unspoken jab at GH3... it says "we're confident enough in our own product and the information out there that we don't need to follow up with our own annoucment". In my best Sean Connery voice, "I'm not impressed!"At this stage, it's all about "buzz", ie. what game are people talking about, and keeping quiet creates zero buzz. As much as I dislike Activision/RO for the way they handled GH2 360, the DLC in particular, I would still have to admit, looking around various neutral forums, that there has definitely been a noticeable shift in opinions over the last week or so. Whereas RockBand was easily winning the buzz war before, the two seem to be on much more level footing now - and, if anything, I'd say GH3 actually has the slight edge currently. I therefore can't imagine EA/Harmonix will leave it long before trying to counter that.

[Eastwood]

it has been almost a month since any kind of "confirmed" news. The game has plenty of buzz, but thats all it is... buzz. GH3 right now has gained hype. Thats what RB needs. They need more hype. For instance, I KNOW that Dragonforce and Slayer are in GH3, so I am HYPED enough to go buy it now. Also, seeing that Paranoid and Mississippi Queen are in GH3 shows that they arent afraid to go out and go head to head with RB.

I'm buzzing about using all the instruments... I'm buzzing about the 10 button fender, the vocals, and god yes, the drums... but they have yet to slam more than one dynamite track in our face. To be honest, I had to look up and listen to some of the songs on the list to remind myself what the song as a whole sounded like. When they announced Enter Sandman, I didn't need to do that. I don't need to do that for most of GH3's list.

They have yet to drop the hammer that all of us hope they have on GH3. I have $25 already laid down at EB for this, so I'm starting to want to know what I have that money out of my pocket for. How deep is the create - a - player? Whats online like? How many tracks are there going to be? How many venues? Are there any other killer songs on their list? Will there be metal?

I don't know about ya'll, but I'm ready for some hype!! :D

[steelcurtain187]

I definitely can't wait to hear some new news on songs for Rock Band. I do realize, however, that the game is a long ways away still and they don't wanna announce them all yet. I am just hoping they have some big guns in reserve they are just waiting to launch a little closer to launch time. Releasing a few songs every couple weeks to keep us interested seems like a good idea! ;)

[Rev0lver]

How deep is the create - a - player? Whats online like? How many tracks are there going to be? How many venues? Are there any other killer songs on their list? Will there be metal?


a couple of these are already answered. 40 tracks in the main setlist plus hundreds more in DLC, 41 venues, and metal maybe not in the main tracklist but theres a large chance you will see it in DLC.

[IbanezBassist_v2]

Why will people want to buy Rock Band when they already are playing the songs in GHIII? It's that philosophy that I believe whoever chose these songs for GHIII is using. I think they're trying to hurt early sales of Rock Band, and it will probably work.

Are you sure we are talking about the same game? Why buy RB? I would imagine the fact that its a more in depth game involving every aspect of a band. Personally I would rather have these options to me than beating GHIII in a week. Only then to play the same thing over to only better my scores. I'll stick with RB. Yes, One is a HUGE announcement for GHIII, and just when I think I am done with GH, Activison/Neversoft release this kind of info! Damn it! Looks like I am back to purchasing both.

[FatWilma]

At this stage, it's all about "buzz", ie. what game are people talking about, and keeping quiet creates zero buzz. As much as I dislike Activision/RO for the way they handled GH2 360, the DLC in particular, I would still have to admit, looking around various neutral forums, that there has definitely been a noticeable shift in opinions over the last week or so. Whereas RockBand was easily winning the buzz war before, the two seem to be on much more level footing now - and, if anything, I'd say GH3 actually has the slight edge currently. I therefore can't imagine EA/Harmonix will leave it long before trying to counter that.

i agree with every word...

[Brad_Lee]

Indeed and seeing as GH3 comes out before RB... I think they need to up the ante to bring the undeciders to their side. RB comes out less than 30 days after GH3.... and we have a hellofa lot more news and confirmed songs for GH3.

PAX is 20 days away...

[Rev0lver]

you know, this could just be a trick by harmonix.

neversoft announces a bunch of new stuff for GH3 and gets pretty confident while hmx stays silent. then, a couple weeks later, hmx releases 10 kick-ass tunes and a bunch of new **** to blow away neversoft.

[MrMet2087]

Rock Band has a smaller setlist, thus it would not be in their best interests to announce all their good stuff now and leave nothing for later. :cool:

Also, not responding in the face of big GH3 news is an unspoken jab at GH3... it says "we're confident enough in our own product and the information out there that we don't need to follow up with our own annoucment". In my best Sean Connery voice, "I'm not impressed!"

i cant wait for rock band but just to play devils advocate, i dont think this is the case, but maybe rock band has nothing to counter with....

[TheRocker]

you know, this could just be a trick by harmonix.

neversoft announces a bunch of new stuff for GH3 and gets pretty confident while hmx stays silent. then, a couple weeks later, hmx releases 10 kick-ass tunes and a bunch of new **** to blow away neversoft.

I Hope your Right Rev0lver

[Eastwood]

According to Sean, they doing their "practice sessions" once a week, so I am confident that they have something. I just wish they would come out with it already. GH3 comes out 10/29 and some reports slate Rock Band at coming out 11/6. That is 8 days apart and it seems GH3 is 8 weeks ahead when it comes to the tract list.

I have a couple of friends who constantly play guitar hero... one even had an 80's rock party with a guitar hero tournament using the new 80's version. 80's rocker dress attire required. You would think that he would be clamouring for RB. When I sent him the link to the official site, he says "big deal, track list sucks." I ask him if he was kidding, look at the mic and the drums and he asks the price... Of course, I have nothing confirmed so he is still on the "not bothering with this game" side of the fence.

If we can't get new songs given, can we at least decide on the price?

[IbanezBassist_v2]

No offense to your friend, but he doesn't sound that smart.

[bounchfx]

he should be beheaded! :O

[Phrank-E]

Yeah, You should look into making new friends.

[ababypenguin]

lol, I dunno what he sees in GHIII. hmm, lemme rephrase that, it sounds like GHIII is a bad game.
I don't know what your friend sees in GHIII that RB doesn't already have. Except for "One", but RB has so much more to offer. Did you tell him about the DLC? Or the kick *** Fender Stratocaster? I will make it my life's work to convert your friend to RB.
...Uh oh, I think HMX just caused a cult :D

[Rev0lver]

lol. whens the mass suicide start?

[Phrank-E]

lol. whens the mass suicide start?

When GH announces they have exclusive rights to the entire Led Zeppelin catalog.

[ababypenguin]

omg that would suck big time!! Tell me if it happens, and I'll mix the punch!

[newwaytodie]

In my opinion GH3 has a better song list so far.

And about DLC.... Promises in the video game world are always empty. Hell, look at what we've got for DLC from GH2! We were promised exclusive downloadable content and we got songs from Guitar Hero 1. (and not even the best ones at that)

They must have an ace up their sleeve to not respond to this.

Of course Rock Band is a better game, but if it has crappy songs no one will want it. Personally I feel like heavy metal is being laughed at right now by HMX. It's like it's not that important because the game isn't called "Metal Band", And a lot of rock snobbery is going on.

[Rev0lver]

newway, you do realize GH3 has released around 3x more songs than RB has. i wouldn't start assuming anything until more is announced.

[newwaytodie]

They won't announce more. At least not as many as GH has. RB is telling us to wait for what they have in store as DLC, which will be released AFTER we have all bought the game already!

[Brock_Landers]

I would like to see HMX announce some metal tracks.. not for me, but just to shut everyone up at least.

[ababypenguin]

I'm sure that HMX will announce the whole set list, just not for a while. I don't think the songs that GH3 has will matter. As soon as people find out that RB incorporates more than just the guitar, the customers will come running.

[the_spike]

I think of Guitar Hero 3 like a mixtape, it already has all the best songs on it when you get it. I'm not expecting much DLC after release.

Rock Band is sort of like those subscriptions where you sign up and get some stuff for free and the rest of the albums are delivered to you monthly for a small price.

[Magnet]

Are you sure we are talking about the same game? Why buy RB? I would imagine the fact that its a more in depth game involving every aspect of a band. Personally I would rather have these options to me than beating GHIII in a week. Only then to play the same thing over to only better my scores. I'll stick with RB. Yes, One is a HUGE announcement for GHIII, and just when I think I am done with GH, Activison/Neversoft release this kind of info! Damn it! Looks like I am back to purchasing both.

I was posing the "Why buy RB?" question from the viewpoint of Activision that would stem from the games sharing some of their songs. As in, why buy RB and play songs you've already played in GH3? We all know that RB is a much more in depth and better game, but I'm trying to figure out how Activision is going to market GH3 to casual consumers and perhaps try to deflect them away from Rock Band by pointing out the soundtrack similarities.

[whofan]

newwaytodie,

I believe you are jumping the gun a bit on this one and assuming that promises will be broken.

First, you can't really say anything about the tracklist yet, we still don't know half of it yet. How do you know that the other 24 tracks that are still unannounced aren't all metal tracks? They probably aren't, but I'm willing to bet there's some form of classic metal in there (If you want Death Metal, I think you're out of luck. The "singing" would be MUCH too difficult for the average joe). Metal isn't being laughed at, it just hasn't been announced yet.

In terms of the DLC, I have faith that hmx will pull through. There is no doubt in my mind that they have heard all of the criticizms of the last DLC and took it to heart when coming into this game. They're not going to allow another backlash like that to happen again, they have a corporate image to try to keep up. Besides, why would they form the Music Advisory Board if they didn't intend to go through with things?

Everyone is starting to get impatient, which is not a good thing. Yes GH III is showing all of it's cards right now. They've announced many of their modes, a lot of their setlist, special features, etc. However, as any good poker player knows, never let your opponents see your cards too early. Harmonix is holding onto their information until closer to the release date for possibly 2 reasons.
1) They do not wish for GH III to steal ideas for some of the modes or other game features
2) They're holding information to create hype and buzz closer to the time the game comes out. Why create hype now, still over 2 months away from release, when those who see it may end up forgetting by the time the game comes out. Hold onto the information you have and create a MASSIVE buzz when you release it about a month or 1 1/2 months prior to release. The point would be to create such a huge hype that no one could forget it. It's this second reason that I believe hmx is following