Herman Li is Cool.

[stinkdog2007]

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[Akaymay]

Haha, that's a funny parody.

[Raider87]

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Herman Ri is soo cool
but seriously check out the real version of them on betcha Can't Play This... it's aweful

[JB4GDI]

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Herman Ri is soo cool
but seriously check out the real version of them on betcha Can't Play This... it's aweful

I dub this one lame. Someone has to find the parody where he does hammer-ons on the guitar with a real hammer.

-Jaime

[DokkenIsntRockin]

Herman Li's guitar playing was one of the main selling points of Dragonforce for a buddy of mine who tried unsuccessfully to get me into them. all I could do was shake my head and say "yeah, Zakk Wylde is a much better player from a technical stand point and his solo's are more well thought out, as are his lyrics" and my friend couldnt even argue it.

one complaint about Zakk is the over use of pinch harmonics and the fact that he sounds so technical its almost robotic. but the fact that hes leeps and bounds better than Heman Li still stands.

[TheRocker]

Haha Freaking Hilarious

[bounchfx]

both of those are fake, but there IS a real one of them (Without the stupid overdubbing) where it really does sound like ass, it's quite funny

[newwaytodie]

What's with all the hate? I don't see any of you posting videos of your shi*ty playing.

[Saltines]

Its just because they think they are godly, but really.. are mediocre at best.

[Rev0lver]

Herman Li's guitar playing was one of the main selling points of Dragonforce for a buddy of mine who tried unsuccessfully to get me into them. all I could do was shake my head and say "yeah, Zakk Wylde is a much better player from a technical stand point and his solo's are more well thought out, as are his lyrics" and my friend couldnt even argue it.

one complaint about Zakk is the over use of pinch harmonics and the fact that he sounds so technical its almost robotic. but the fact that hes leeps and bounds better than Heman Li still stands.

ZAKK IS GOD!!

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[Saltines]

I dub this one lame. Someone has to find the parody where he does hammer-ons on the guitar with a real hammer.

-Jaime

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Sorry for the DP.

[GARahn]

I rofl'd at the Mario sounds that Herman Ri made... Funny ****.

[newwaytodie]

Its just because they think they are godly, but really.. are mediocre at best.

They think they are godly? And you're the Simon fuc*king Cowell of guitar? Post a video of you playing something then if it's so "mediocre" so I can make fun of you.

[DokkenIsntRockin]

whoa, newwaytodie is apparently married to every member of Dragonforce.

Dragonforce are mediocre and 99.9 percent of their songs are a joke. why are you stroking this guy so hard when there are a billion other guitar players who can play circles around him. and I'm not talking about speed because that really isnt an impressive display of your skill being able to play something fast, putting emotion in your playing is far more impressive to me and countless others. there are alot of blues guitarists who would make Herman Li look like a hack while playing a quarter of the notes he does.

I dont know where this stupid "speed = talent" way of thinking came from but anyone can play fast as hell despite not knowing what exactly it is they're playing. all you need to do is play his guitar part slowly and progressively speed it up until you can play it as fast as he does, anyone can do it within hours, doesnt mean they're guitar gods.

[Rev0lver]

i remember a little while back herman and sam were interviewed on mtv2 headbangers ball. herman li was asked how long it takes to come up with a solo and he said "overnight". that's exactly it, he doesn't put **** into what he plays he just plays random notes really fast.

[DokkenIsntRockin]

yeah, he plays like Kerry King (not a good thing).

I can honestly say that Slash is a much, much better guitarist than Herman Li. you think Herman Li would ever come up with anything like the two solo's from Novemeber Rain? hell no because he most likely cant.

[Saltines]

They think they are godly? And you're the Simon fuc*king Cowell of guitar? Post a video of you playing something then if it's so "mediocre" so I can make fun of you.

Now, I don't recall saying that I was in anyway "AMAZING UBER AWSUMES" At guitar, I know that.
What bugs me about Herman LI and that Totam guy is that, they think they are amazing, better than anything else out there. But alot of their stuff isn't too hard for other guitarists to do, I lol'd so many times at their real betcha cant play this video. Especially totams "tapping"

And like Rev0lver said if he comes up with solos overnight, then all he is probably doing is playing scales, mashing notes together and then goes and plays it fast and calls it a solo. Sure, I couldn't play it but, it's not very impressive either.

[DokkenIsntRockin]

I finger tap on an electric bass, so yeah, I didnt find that tapping to be spectacular either because the tapping I do is way the **** harder then it is on guitar strings and that was his result. ha ha. sweet.

Dragonforce sucks, no two ways about it.

[battle_axe_of_doom]

^ dragonforce along with the rest of the power metal genre are disgraces to the music world

[bounchfx]

oh lordy. if all you are going to do is spread your distaste for a particular genre then just don't come in certain posts at all, please.

[battle_axe_of_doom]

well powermetal is the topic of this thread so wut should i talk about then?? how kewl porcupine tree and radiohead are in a power metal/dragonforce thread??

[Eissian]

I met Herman Li at G3 '07 in Los Angeles. Seemed like a pretty nice guy. Definitely not a very great guitar player, but at least its clear he has excellent taste if he was at G3.

[battle_axe_of_doom]

was he just there or was he actually in the g3 lineup :\

[The_Wurm]

I don't understand this widespread hatred against the guitarists of dragonforce, really i don't.

Just to clear things up, I am by no means a fan of dragon force, but i think everyone is being a bit harsh on these guys. I agree with a lot you when you say that **insert legendary guitarist** is way better than Herman Li or Sam Boozehound, but I think you guys are being a little mean by calling them 'mediocre'.

I also agree that there music is cheesy, really cheesy, and shouldn't be taken seriously, but they know that their music is absolute cheese and don't really take themselves seriously.(Have you seen one of their music videos?, they have a guitar battle via videogames!)


wow, i can't believe i just typed more than a paragraph in order to somewut protect some dudes I don't even care about. screw it

[fragpirate]

omg, i found that eons ago.
at least five months ago.
you are sooooo late.

[Saltines]

omg, i found that eons ago.
at least five months ago.
you are sooooo late.

I saw it quite awhile ago as well, but it's still funny.

[fragpirate]

lil bit, the only part i actually laugh at is the end.

[Eissian]

I don't understand this widespread hatred against the guitarists of dragonforce, really i don't.

Just to clear things up, I am by no means a fan of dragon force, but i think everyone is being a bit harsh on these guys. I agree with a lot you when you say that **insert legendary guitarist** is way better than Herman Li or Sam Boozehound, but I think you guys are being a little mean by calling them 'mediocre'.

I also agree that there music is cheesy, really cheesy, and shouldn't be taken seriously, but they know that their music is absolute cheese and don't really take themselves seriously.(Have you seen one of their music videos?, they have a guitar battle via videogames!)


wow, i can't believe i just typed more than a paragraph in order to somewut protect some dudes I don't even care about. screw it

I think my biggest issue with DragonForce is the heavy, heavy overdubbing that they do. The things you hear on the CD are simply not performable live. Overdubbing is acceptable sometimes when technical ability isnt a focus of the music or in cases where a second guitarist is unavailable for the recording. Overdubbing is fine then. But in cases like DragonForce where half the selling point if the technical ability of the artists, overdubbing records just leaves a bad taste in everyone's mouth. When you see other artists like Dream Theater live, what is on the CD is what is being performed live. There are no backing tapes or other guitarists. It just seems like an immense cop-out to use heavy overdubbing in this genre of music.

[Eissian]

was he just there or was he actually in the g3 lineup :\

no he was just there. if herman li was actually in the G3 lineup my respect for joe satriani would plummet immensely. the line-up was Joe Satriani, John Petrucci, and Paul Gilbert. I went mostly for Petrucci, as did seemingly most of the people there. Gilbert got a sort of lukewarm reception at first because he isn't too well known, but the crowd started to love him more and more with every song. But Petrucci just stepped out onto the stage and the entire crowd went wild for a good five minutes. Even Petrucci himself was stunned at the fantastic reaction from the crowd.

[Brock_Landers]

heh I love people who seem to think you can only make negative comments about something if you have first-hand talent at a better level of what you're critiquing. Seems to be a popular fallback argument in the music world I've noticed; not as many people saying the same when it comes to bad movies or bad tv shows ("hey, have you ever made a better movie than The Covenent? Oh, didn't think smart guy!")

Besides, even if the theory did hold up, in turn shouldn't it mean that you also can't have a positive opinion of DragonForce unless you can play as well as Herman Li?

(For the record, I don't mind them here and there.. but the songs all start to sound the same after a short while)

[The_Wurm]

I think my biggest issue with DragonForce is the heavy, heavy overdubbing that they do. The things you hear on the CD are simply not performable live. Overdubbing is acceptable sometimes when technical ability isnt a focus of the music or in cases where a second guitarist is unavailable for the recording. Overdubbing is fine then. But in cases like DragonForce where half the selling point if the technical ability of the artists, overdubbing records just leaves a bad taste in everyone's mouth. When you see other artists like Dream Theater live, what is on the CD is what is being performed live. There are no backing tapes or other guitarists. It just seems like an immense cop-out to use heavy overdubbing in this genre of music.

ahh, i see whast you're saying. That is pretty lame.

[newwaytodie]

If you're going to be a dick and make fun of people, then you deserve to be made fun of as well. Clearly your opinion doesn't mean **** anyway because dragonforce are selling tons of records and laughing at lame ass psuedo-critics like you.

[Saltines]

If you're going to be a dick and make fun of people, then you deserve to be made fun of as well. Clearly your opinion doesn't mean **** anyway because dragonforce are selling tons of records and laughing at lame ass psuedo-critics like you.

And we feel so, so sorry that we ever made fun of these guys just because of what you said, thank you for showing me the truth!!!

I guess Fall Out Boy is also laughing at us. Man, don't I just feel terrible now.
Sorry buddy, I don't really care if these tools are laughing at me or others, and I'm quite sure they don't care what we think about them. Mostly because, yes they do sell lots of albums. I'm not even so sure that they would bring an argument like this to the people who dislike them. It's all a matter of opinion, and fact as well. WE don't like them, thats pretty much the whole story. If we choose to discuss such matters then we will. One person saying that our opinions don't matter isn't going to change how any of us feel.

And plus, I'm Simon Fu**ing Cowell of guitar, you said it yourself :)

[newwaytodie]

Some people sit around and ***** and whine on online forums. Other people actually make music.

You tell me which is more pathetic.

[Saltines]

Some people sit around and ***** and whine on online forums. Other people actually make music.

You tell me which is more pathetic.

Actually, I think defending some people from honest opinions just because you have a hard-on for them is more pathetic, but thats just my point of view.

[GrayInvisible]

Some people sit around and ***** and whine on online forums. Other people actually make music.

You tell me which is more pathetic.

You don't have to be good at something to be able to critisize it. Nor do you have to do it. Some people are good critics, but aren't able to do what they critisize. This is another ******ed argument that can be used to defend any band. And you go on about how people are hating bands, but you made a "I hate ___ band" thread.

[battle_axe_of_doom]

ya i seriously doubt any professional critic can do anything that the bands they critique can do. i mean honestly can roger ebert or whatever his name is direct a good movie?? probably not.

not saying we're professionals either but we can critique on whatever the **** he want to irregardless of our skillz

[Brock_Landers]

Some people sit around and ***** and whine on online forums. Other people actually make music.

You tell me which is more pathetic.

You mean like how every other post of yours manages to have some passive-agressive cry about how Harmonix doesn't care enough about metal in Rock Band? :D

gg.

[newwaytodie]

Criticizing someones playing style is a moot point unless you have mastered your own playing style.

That's my point. I'm not saying you're not allowed to have an opinion. Everyone's going to have an opinion about something, but opinions are like *******s. Everyone's got one and the all stink.

I just find it to be highly irritating for people who don't know a damn thing about guitar, or music in general, to judge and criticize someone in a non-constructive manner.

Add something positive like "he should implement more diverse scales in his solos" or "he should bend pitches more to add some color". But you can't add anything positive because

YOU DON'T KNOW SH*T!

[Saltines]

Criticizing someones playing style is a moot point unless you have mastered your own playing style.

That's my point. I'm not saying you're not allowed to have an opinion. Everyone's going to have an opinion about something, but opinions are like *******s. Everyone's got one and the all stink.

I just find it to be highly irritating for people who don't know a damn thing about guitar, or music in general, to judge and criticize someone in a non-constructive manner.

Add something positive like "he should implement more diverse scales in his solos" or "he should bend pitches more to add some color". But you can't add anything positive because

YOU DON'T KNOW SH*T!

And yes of course, no one here knows ANYTHING about guitar, nope not at all.

Now. One of the main reasons I don't like them is they put stuff on their album that they cant pull off live. So seeing them live is like going to see a Dragonforce cover band.
To me, most of their songs sound nearly the same, just fast scales, tapping, and no emotion. I absolutely hate the lyrics, most of their songs are about mystical blah blah blah
that just gets old quick. The only people here who don't know anything about guitars or music in general are the people who treat these guys like gods among men.

[DokkenIsntRockin]

the bottom line here is that Herman Li randomly wacks away as a fretboard like it was a cheap whore. he isnt a virtuosso like countless other skilled guitarists in the genre and that Dragonforce is literally bottom of the barrel ****, even in their musical sub genre.

sorry, but defending Dragonforce is the heavy metal equivilant of defending Blink 182. they arent skilled, they're fast, no more, no less. I hate Dreamtheater but those dudes can all play circles around anyone, they just make crappy music. Dragonforce is comprised of a bunch of dudes who got fast, wrote a bunch of crappy songs and fools eat it up like dinner.

[newwaytodie]

Yeah but you obviously like slayer.. And musically they are atrocious. Worse than DF to be sure. So whats your point?

[battle_axe_of_doom]

lol slayer have at least 5 good songs which is something df will never be able to claim for themselves

[Eissian]

Slayer isn't the pinnacle of virtuosity, no question, and I don't think anyone would claim so. But at least what you hear on the album is what they can perform live. To me, especially in very technical genres like DragonForce falls into, overdubbing tracks is nearly as scandalous as say, Milli Vanilli.

[DokkenIsntRockin]

Yeah but you obviously like slayer.. And musically they are atrocious. Worse than DF to be sure. So whats your point?

um, Slayer are atrocious? since when? Kerry King is a horrible lead guitarist but Jeff Hanneman is an excellent guitar player. Dave Lombardo is a good drummer and Tom Araya is solid bassist, and considering the style he sings in hes also quite good at that. the falcetto's he pulls off are unreal.

as far as thrash metal goes Slayer and Megadeth are probably the two most talented in the genre, Megadeth being leaps and bounds over Slayer, of course.

[Raider87]

DrafonForce are way to overrated and over-hyped... they don't put ot any quality music and I don't think they deserve their success... and it just shows how fake they are when they can't do half of their songs live which is like a joke imo... I went and saw Tool a little while back and every song they played was nearly identical to their album versions, that's how you can tell the difference between a good band and a crappy one

[Eman311]

Tool also is known for playing nearly the same set every night besides maybe 1 song, so what do you expect?

They are really good live, i'll give them that for sure.

Slayer is pretty good, Dragonforce is meh and was WAY overhyped on the GH forums.

[battle_axe_of_doom]

um, Slayer are atrocious? since when? Kerry King is a horrible lead guitarist but Jeff Hanneman is an excellent guitar player. Dave Lombardo is a good drummer and Tom Araya is solid bassist, and considering the style he sings in hes also quite good at that. the falcetto's he pulls off are unreal.

as far as thrash metal goes Slayer and Megadeth are probably the two most talented in the genre, Megadeth being leaps and bounds over Slayer, of course.

actually i'd list testament over slayer musically any day.

[DokkenIsntRockin]

actually i'd list testament over slayer musically any day.

Testament are good. I wouldnt put them above Slayer, though.

[Eissian]

I would put both Metallica(I don't believe in the existance of any albums after the black album) and Anthrax above Slayer, as far as thrash metal bands go.