Beatles are Overrated

[gh2masterwellalmost]

Look, try not to flame me on this. Sure, they were a gd pop band and they introduced this and that, but their music is just not that gd. The media perpetuated the myth that they were incredible, everyone jumps on the bandwagon, and they even do it today. I think they're ok, nothing more nothing less.

Remember this is just my opinion, and im sure ill get surrounded by all you 60s oldies who repeatedly say "IN MY DAY" and complain about decent music, but try not to flame me too hard eh you pensioners?

[Rev0lver]

i agree with you. they are insanely boring and not even that talented. sure, i respect what they did for rock, but i think they aren't that good and extremely overrated.

[gh2masterwellalmost]

i agree with you. they are insanely boring and not even that talented. sure, i respect what they did for rock, but i think they aren't that good and extremely overrated.

well b4 i was being kind to the Beatles cos I thought id get decimated but...

they suck!

thank you.

[akselnorway]

i totally agree with revolver...overrated, and not that talented..

[gh2masterwellalmost]

i totally agree with revolver...overrated, and not that talented..

woopage. Ok then, Beatles suck, next thread plz

:D

[Kutsic]

For their time, they were amazing. It's not so much the music they made, but the advancments they made for music as a whole. A lot of recording techniques and unorthodox instruments were popularized by The Beatles. So, I'll agree that their actual music isn't any better than a lot of other talented bands out now, but without the Beatles, music as we know it would not be the same.

[DrIsosceles]

By today's standards their music is overrated. However, they are one of the most influential bands ever both musically and culturally.


...oh, and "X is overrated" topics are totally overrated.

[Phrank-E]

I hate the Beatles for the most part... But they totally changed the face of Rock n Roll forever... And THAT cannot be disputed or taken away from them...

[gh2masterwellalmost]

But they totally changed the face of Rock n Roll forever... And THAT cannot be disputed or taken away from them...

im gonna agree to disagree. What did they do? release more canabis-ensued crap songs involving him "sleeping like a log"? They didnt make electic guitar - plus what they called rock'n'roll like "Rock around the Clock" (yh i know it wasnt by them but its more crap stuff like it) pure garbage. Tell me how thats Muse or Nirvana, or alternative rock like Radiohead?

They sucked. And these people who perpetuate the myth they're gd just shows how tryly ignorant and stupid, and are the type of people who are "I HATE YOUNG PEOPLE WITH THEIR HOP-HIP OR W.E. THE DARNEST ITS CALLED" (well i guess thats how you talk)

[lithiumkc]

im gonna agree to disagree. What did they do? release more canabis-ensued crap songs involving him "sleeping like a log"? They didnt make electic guitar - plus what they called rock'n'roll like "Rock around the Clock" (yh i know it wasnt by them but its more crap stuff like it) pure garbage.
Their first offerings were largely bubblegum pop. They did not 'invent' electric guitar, but neither did any band YOU consider good. If you know anything about music around the time they came out then you know they were always one step ahead of everybody. Their lyrics were extremely well written and intelligent most of the time. They were amazing lyrical storytellers [Mccartney especially]. There is almost always an underlying message in the lyrics. If you can't grasp that.. well, you need to buck up on your english lit.

When rubber soul hit, that's when the amazing music hit. The lyrics vastly improved. George harrison played the sitar on 'Norwegian Wood', and it was the first time this instrument had been used in a pop song. After that there was a huge craze in the US over the sitar. He played with a complete traditional indian band on Within You, Without You.

Their recording studio was extremely advanced and their sound techs were far ahead of anybody else in the industry, very innovative. The leaps and bounds they made inside the studio were probably the most innovative throughout 20th century music history. They tried anything and EVERYTHING with the limited amount of tools they had. An example of this would be strawberry fields forever, playing clips of cymbals backwards to make a distinct swooshing effect that's quite ambient sounding.

Brian Epstein was the driving force behind them and always wanted what was the best for the music. George Martin was brilliant in the studio.

Instrumentally I will admit they were not fantastic, although mccartney was quite a good bass player and ringo almost NEVER went off tempo, in fact you'd have a hard time finding a cut of him going off tempo in any track. The main thing is they knew how to write elaborate melodies and fit the instruments in with this. In the seven years they were out they put out hit after hit after hit, and they failed to sound rehashed because every single album is completely different and incorporates any number of styles of music. They were not a one genre band by any right.

And what does sleeping like a log as a single lyric have to do with anything? It fits into the song. It's called a simile einstein. It describes an action. :rolleyes:

I really don't trust the opinion of somebody who says 'canabis-ensued' either, considering that makes absolutely no sense and you've just butchered the use of the word ensued. How can somebody who makes up a phrase like that possibly have any valid insight into lyrics and relevance of lyrics at the time? That's like letting a blind person review art



Tell me how thats Muse or Nirvana, or alternative rock like Radiohead?

Well as much as I love Nirvana, if you had any brains you wouldn't be comparing them to the beatles. They were a one trick pony. Cobain was not at all talented on the guitar, he just had a style to it. Plus they put out THREE studio albums, and a compilation of b-sides in the same amount of time the beatles put out 9 albums. If you like radiohead then i don't understand how you can't give the beatles credit. They're one of the closest bands to a modern day beatles we have because they do not stay in the norm, they create. The beatles had the same ideology. You don't understand that because you can't relate to the music, it probably sounds old to you.


They sucked. And these people who perpetuate the myth they're gd just shows how tryly ignorant and stupid
No, you are ignorant and stupid if you say the most influential band in history sucks. You may not LIKE them, but they do not suck, and you're a fool if you say so.


, and are the type of people who are "I HATE YOUNG PEOPLE WITH THEIR HOP-HIP OR W.E. THE DARNEST ITS CALLED" (well i guess thats how you talk)
No, I don't really refer to people as 'young people' and the word darnest is not in my vocabulary. I know music, I know an amazing melody when I hear it, and the beatles wrote absolutely spectacular melodies track after track after track. Their music still sounds fresh today. You've grown up in a world where rock is distortion and technical skill, where there is little to no innovation in music anymore. It shows when you say the Beatles 'suck' outright. There has never and will never be a band as influential and talented in songwriting ability as a group than they were.

So please, give me reasons why they 'suck' other than 'they didn't invent the electric guitar'. Because I guarantee you i'll have a simple time proving you wrong. They DID NOT SUCK, not even CLOSE. You just don't like them, and that's the truth of it.

[lithiumkc]

And P.S. what of Cobain being influenced so much by the beatles? About a Girl was literally his attempt at a beatles song after he listened to a beatles album over and over all night. Radiohead's 'Paranoid Android' mimicks the same structure as 'Happiness is a Warm Gun'.


Thom Yorke also compared the song to The Beatles' work, saying "it really started out as three separate songs and we didn't know what to do with them. Then we thought of 'Happiness Is a Warm Gun' ? which was obviously three different bits that John Lennon put together ? and said 'Why don't we try that?'

You can't deny their ear for melody, or their innovation, and their ability to write what they wanted even if it had never been heard and without knowing how it would be received. There are just far too many different styles and totally different sounds to every album and even to every SONG on every album, to say that they were 'boring' or unoriginal.

Listen to metal? Helter Skelter was pretty much the first metal song.
Yesterday is the most covered song in music history.
They made the first music videos which even then were innovative and used skilled editing.

Gee.. More influence. But you know, YOU say that they were not influential and did not change rock or anything so I guess I'm wrong, and Thom is just stupid or crazy :rolleyes:

That's my two cents 'young people' :rolleyes:

[battle_axe_of_doom]

lmaotaste @ the op

beatles dominate the world so stfu and go suck a cock

[lithiumkc]

This is just as bad as the NiN sucks thread.

'I don't like X band so they must suck. Music I don't like sucks because I have better taste than anybody else.'

Again, just because you don't like a band does not take away from their accomplishments, and there is no way in hell you're going to be able to take away from those of the beatles, and their impact in modern music. Ever.

[gh2masterwellalmost]

Their first offerings were largely bubblegum pop. They did not 'invent' electric guitar, but neither did any band YOU consider good. If you know anything about music around the time they came out then you know they were always one step ahead of everybody. Their lyrics were extremely well written and intelligent most of the time. They were amazing lyrical storytellers [Mccartney especially]. There is almost always an underlying message in the lyrics. If you can't grasp that.. well, you need to buck up on your english lit.

When rubber soul hit, that's when the amazing music hit. The lyrics vastly improved. George harrison played the sitar on 'Norwegian Wood', and it was the first time this instrument had been used in a pop song. After that there was a huge craze in the US over the sitar. He played with a complete traditional indian band on Within You, Without You.

Their recording studio was extremely advanced and their sound techs were far ahead of anybody else in the industry, very innovative. The leaps and bounds they made inside the studio were probably the most innovative throughout 20th century music history. They tried anything and EVERYTHING with the limited amount of tools they had. An example of this would be strawberry fields forever, playing clips of cymbals backwards to make a distinct swooshing effect that's quite ambient sounding.

Brian Epstein was the driving force behind them and always wanted what was the best for the music. George Martin was brilliant in the studio.

Instrumentally I will admit they were not fantastic, although mccartney was quite a good bass player and ringo almost NEVER went off tempo, in fact you'd have a hard time finding a cut of him going off tempo in any track. The main thing is they knew how to write elaborate melodies and fit the instruments in with this. In the seven years they were out they put out hit after hit after hit, and they failed to sound rehashed because every single album is completely different and incorporates any number of styles of music. They were not a one genre band by any right.

And what does sleeping like a log as a single lyric have to do with anything? It fits into the song. It's called a simile einstein. It describes an action. :rolleyes:

I really don't trust the opinion of somebody who says 'canabis-ensued' either, considering that makes absolutely no sense and you've just butchered the use of the word ensued. How can somebody who makes up a phrase like that possibly have any valid insight into lyrics and relevance of lyrics at the time? That's like letting a blind person review art


Well as much as I love Nirvana, if you had any brains you wouldn't be comparing them to the beatles. They were a one trick pony. Cobain was not at all talented on the guitar, he just had a style to it. Plus they put out THREE studio albums, and a compilation of b-sides in the same amount of time the beatles put out 9 albums. If you like radiohead then i don't understand how you can't give the beatles credit. They're one of the closest bands to a modern day beatles we have because they do not stay in the norm, they create. The beatles had the same ideology. You don't understand that because you can't relate to the music, it probably sounds old to you.

No, you are ignorant and stupid if you say the most influential band in history sucks. You may not LIKE them, but they do not suck, and you're a fool if you say so.

No, I don't really refer to people as 'young people' and the word darnest is not in my vocabulary. I know music, I know an amazing melody when I hear it, and the beatles wrote absolutely spectacular melodies track after track after track. Their music still sounds fresh today. You've grown up in a world where rock is distortion and technical skill, where there is little to no innovation in music anymore. It shows when you say the Beatles 'suck' outright. There has never and will never be a band as influential and talented in songwriting ability as a group than they were.

So please, give me reasons why they 'suck' other than 'they didn't invent the electric guitar'. Because I guarantee you i'll have a simple time proving you wrong. They DID NOT SUCK, not even CLOSE. You just don't like them, and that's the truth of it.

Ur opinion is that they dont suck. For you to sit there argueing with me is what makes YOU have no brains.

My comparison with Nirvana, Muse, Radiohead etc. is that Beatles are supposed to have influenced rock. Wheres the Beatles in those bands? Not there.

They sucked. In my opinion. They were gd. In your opinion. End of. Your opinion, however much I hate to admit it, is equal to mine. So stop taking the high ground and trying to make me look naive and stupid, its backfiring on you

Plus your reasons for comparing the bands to Beatles were so far fetched.

get a life and flame someone elses post, and dont flame me, dont take it personally. It is simply my opinion

[battle_axe_of_doom]

just cuz a band influences another doesnt mean it has to be obvious. one of the most beatles influenced album ever was pet sounds and id say it sounds nothing like the beatles. so stfu and stop pretending like u know music cuz u dont k thx :D

[lithiumkc]

Ur opinion is that they dont suck. For you to sit there argueing with me is what makes YOU have no brains.

No, you saying that they simply suck is untrue because there is so much evidence that proves they do not 'suck'. There is also a lot of evidence here pointing towards the fact that you do not like them, and as a result of not liking them, you are claiming they suck. There is a difference between not liking a band and trying to take away from their musical merit.


My comparison with Nirvana, Muse, Radiohead etc. is that Beatles are supposed to have influenced rock. Wheres the Beatles in those bands? Not there.
LOL
LOLOL

You really don't have any clue about music or the history of music yet bud. Cobain was very heavily influenced by the beatles, as I already said, About a Girl was his attempt at a beatlesque song, he said so himself. Along with that, he structured his songs in general around strong melodies, like the beatles. He had a way with melody. Radiohead admits that paranoid android was a mix of dj shadow and the beatles, it's what they went for. Are the bands themselves lying, now?



They sucked. In my opinion. They were gd. In your opinion. End of. Your opinion, however much I hate to admit it, is equal to mine. So stop taking the high ground and trying to make me look naive and stupid, its backfiring on you

No, because you have given NO REASON as to why they suck, and i just gave two full posts LITTERED with reasons that they were good and influential.


Plus your reasons for comparing the bands to Beatles were so far fetched.

Too bad I didn't make those reasons up, the bands themselves did.


get a life and flame someone elses post, and dont flame me, dont take it personally. It is simply my opinion
Dude, you put an opinion on the board just so that people can come in here and agree with you? So nobody is allowed to disagree? How am I flaming you, because I countered everything you said with factual evidence of their innovation and influence, and you don't have anything to say back? You said anybody who thinks they are good is ignorant. Thats immediately a flame, isn't it? Grow up and don't bother posting your opinion if you're not ready to hear opposition.

And please, ESPECIALLY make sure you have reasons for your side of this opinion, because as you can see I have provided A LOT of facts, and you've provided nothing but opinion, that's it.

[gh2masterwellalmost]

just cuz a band influences another doesnt mean it has to be obvious. one of the most beatles influenced album ever was pet sounds and id say it sounds nothing like the beatles. so stfu and stop pretending like u know music cuz u dont k thx :D

im gonna quote myself for this one, cos it just proves me point fantastically, and bold the points you need to take notice of mr battleaxe:



They sucked. In my opinion. They were gd. In your opinion. End of. Your opinion, however much I hate to admit it, is equal to mine. So stop taking the high ground and trying to make me look naive and stupid, its backfiring on you

get a life and flame someone elses post, and dont flame me, dont take it personally. It is simply my opinion

I consider this post closed. We all agree to disagree

[lithiumkc]

im gonna quote myself for this one, cos it just proves me point fantastically, and bold the points you need to take notice of mr battleaxe:



I consider this post closed. We all agree to disagree

So.. I say my opinion and immediately you shut down your thread. Okay. What did you want, everyone to come in here and say they sucked? You can go ahead and not like them, that doesn't bug me.

However, when you say they did nothing for music, they weren't influential, they didn't influence radiohead or nirvana, and that they weren't innovative, those are lies. Literally, lies. That's the issue i'm taking up with you here. You have a closed-minded childish opinion on the music and you're spreading BS about something you obviously have no right to talk about.

I love when somebody has an opinion and then has to follow that up with untruths about the band.. Then when it's proved to be untrue by virtue of actually KNOWING the music [in this case because i've researched every pretty much every band I've ever listened to and know full well their influences and what they've influenced].. They go 'Whatever its my opinion this post is closed no more talking'. COP OUT. You can't lie and then run off when somebody calls you out on it. Life doesn't work like that. If you want to spread things about a band like that, you better DAMN well have facts or evidence supporting your claims, because you're pretty much guaranteed to run into somebody like me who knows their **** and knows that what you're saying is simply the combination of your opinion and complete ignorance to the band. How could you possibly know anything about them if you don't like them. I doubt you've taken the time to look into their studio years, their recording techniques and where their influence has stuck in modern music. I have. Your fault for coming into this with a lack of knowledge and expecting nobody to disagree.

If you think they suck, good for you, but don't perpetuate untruths after that.

[gh2masterwellalmost]

im gonna quote myself for this one, cos it just proves me point fantastically, and bold the points you need to take notice of mr battleaxe:



I consider this post closed. We all agree to disagree


So.. I say my opinion and immediately you shut down your thread. Okay. What did you want, everyone to come in here and say they sucked? You can go ahead and not like them, that doesn't bug me.

However, when you say they did nothing for music, they weren't influential, they didn't influence radiohead or nirvana, and that they weren't innovative, those are lies. Literally, lies. That's the issue i'm taking up with you here. You have a closed-minded childish opinion on the music and you're spreading BS about something you obviously have no right to talk about.

I love when somebody has an opinion and then has to follow that up with untruths about the band.. Then when it's proved to be untrue by virtue of actually KNOWING the music [in this case because i've researched every pretty much every band I've ever listened to and know full well their influences and what they've influenced].. They go 'Whatever its my opinion this post is closed no more talking'. COP OUT. You can't lie and then run off when somebody calls you out on it. Life doesn't work like that. If you want to spread things about a band like that, you better DAMN well have facts or evidence supporting your claims, because you're pretty much guaranteed to run into somebody like me who knows their **** and knows that what you're saying is simply the combination of your opinion and complete ignorance to the band. How could you possibly know anything about them if you don't like them. I doubt you've taken the time to look into their studio years, their recording techniques and where their influence has stuck in modern music. I have. Your fault for coming into this with a lack of knowledge and expecting nobody to disagree.

If you think they suck, good for you, but don't perpetuate untruths after that.

im gonna say it again cos ur being an ignorant, old git who can't take the fact that I have as much right to say "they suck" as you do to say "theyre fantastic", which IMHO is not true.


I consider this post closed. We all agree to disagree

[battle_axe_of_doom]

you obviously started this thread to piss people off and thats wut you got so stfu and take it like a man. and like you said he has every right to post in your thread and disagree with you so unless you're gonna lock this thread you might as well have that little quote of yours on your clipboard cuz you're gonna be posting it every 5 minutes bud

[gh2masterwellalmost]

you obviously started this thread to piss people off and thats wut you got so stfu and take it like a man. and like you said he has every right to post in your thread and disagree with you so unless you're gonna lock this thread you might as well have that little quote of yours on your clipboard cuz you're gonna be posting it every 5 minutes bud

i started this thread cos i wanted to see if there were any people who agree with me, cos not many people do because those people who dont are just being influenced by the media and hype and being told to like it.

I chose the "Beatles are Overrated" title because it was in "History of Rock" which didnt have many viewing and I wanted people to post. But at the VERY start I said don't flame. What did you do. Flame.

So ill say it yet again:

I consider this post closed. We all agree to disagree

[battle_axe_of_doom]

yeah well i'm a flamer so wut?? its the ****ing internet nothing i say should matter to you. and i like the beatles not cuz hype tells me to. they truly are a fantastic band and its your loss :D

also nice to see you kept my advice and have that little quote of yours on clipboard. ctrl + v ftw :rolleyes:

also is it just me or did someone make the font look bigger????

[gh2masterwellalmost]

yeah well i'm a flamer so wut?? its the ****ing internet nothing i say should matter to you. and i like the beatles not cuz hype tells me to. they truly are a fantastic band and its your loss :D

also nice to see you kept my advice and have that little quote of yours on clipboard. ctrl + v ftw :rolleyes:

also is it just me or did someone make the font look bigger????

no u dont like them cos theyre "fantastic" you like them cos ur told to like them, then you slowly seem to think "hey, they're gd you know". Probably ur Dad liked them, or a friend or family that greatly influenced you. I dislike cos they're crap

And yes, you have every right to post back and say ur opinion, but its when u start flaming and getting personal that ill complain.

Oh and no one changed the font. Get ur eyes checked. and ur ears, since you seem to think Beatles are so gd. Or maybe its just the pyschological impact or whoever influenced you to liking it, making u think "lets flame this person since I have nothing better to do than say how gd Beatles is despite the fact this person is taking my opinion on board". Prat.

[battle_axe_of_doom]

lmao you see there you go flaming people on their opinions and you wonder why ppl are flaming you in this thread.

the font was changed cuz i was scrolling up while i had the conroller button down which with firefox increases the font size :learn:

and i like how you assume that someone else influenced me to like the beatles. i listened to the beatles on my own bro bought most of their albums cuz i geniunely like them. is that so hard to believe?? ok how about this name any band that you like since i don't follow your posts very often

[gh2masterwellalmost]

lmao you see there you go flaming people on their opinions and you wonder why ppl are flaming you in this thread.

the font was changed cuz i was scrolling up while i had the conroller button down which with firefox increases the font size :learn:

and i like how you assume that someone else influenced me to like the beatles. i listened to the beatles on my own bro bought most of their albums cuz i geniunely like them. is that so hard to believe?? ok how about this name any band that you like since i don't follow your posts very often

round and round the roundabout we go, where we will stop we do not know. Well this is fun.

1) Flaming cos u r. Yep thats childish, but when the prat ur talking to is being that way despite listening to crap old music for pensioners, ill do it.

2) Dont use firefox. Use IE.

3) Why did you buy the albums? Cos you heard them on the radio and you were told to like them, like all Pop. We're all influenced heavily by others, and I think thats why u like the Beatles.

[battle_axe_of_doom]

no i bought the albums cuz i d/l them on my comp and i liked it so why not buy em??

also u failed to namez a bandz dat u likez

[Desensitized]

I'm beginning to hate coming to this board because of threads like this.

If you hold no repect for The Beatles (you don't even have to like them) then you hold no respect for Rock music and shouldn't even be here.

[Rev0lver]

as i said on the first page, i completely respect the beatles for what they did to rock but i still think their music sucks.

i honestly don't know how you can enjoy them.

[battle_axe_of_doom]

cuz they rule

[Desensitized]

as i said on the first page, i completely respect the beatles for what they did to rock but i still think their music sucks.

i honestly don't know how you can enjoy them.
I wasn't referring to you, but yes I enjoy their later stuff.

[Inaudible-Whisper]

gh2masterwellalmost you have been completely owned in this thread. You have made a complete fool out of yourself. You can't open a thread hoping to only get responses agreeing with you, especially when your opinion is as ludicrous as it is. And when people tell you why your opinion is wrong, you can't just say "Well, that's your opinion. Mine is they suck. End".

You can't continue the discussion because... you genuinely can't continue the discussion. You don't know where to go. You've been given a TON of reasons why you're wrong, and you don't attempt to refute them because you simple cannot. You have no reason for them 'sucking' yet their are a million reasons for the contrary.

I know I'll get a simple response with terrible grammar claiming that it's just your opinion and it's the end of the discussion, well no. It's not. You opened up a discussion thread on a forum, expect a discussion to ensue. You can't end the discussion because you are so ignorant as to think what you do.

From my understanding, it also seems that everybody that has said the Beatles suck have only heard the likes of "She Loves You" and "I want to hold your hand" judging from comments like "They only make songs like Rock around the Clock". Please listen to any of their substantially critically acclaimed albums like Rubber Soul, Abbey Road, Revolver and The White Album. I bet you wouldn't even recognise 99% of the tracks on those albums by name, never mind sound, because they're not widely played on radio. They play the more commercial early Beatles stuff which is likely what you're referring to. That's like forming a 'suck' opinion on Radiohead after only hearing 'Creep'.

And to say we're following trends because the media says we have to like them is ludicrous. I'll listen to what I like, and don't tell me how I think.

The fact is, the Beatles are fantastic and influential not only because they wrote literally hundreds of great songs in such a short space of time, but because they have evolved their respective genre more than any band. EVER.

You ***.

[battle_axe_of_doom]

lmao i thought radiohead blew after i heard creep, boy was i wrong

KID A FTW

[Rev0lver]

although i do respect them, i think their songwriting was crap and none of the members were talented at all. the only song i do like is helter skelter, and sortof while my guitar gently weeps.

i have zero respect for their music, but have much respect for their influence.

[battle_axe_of_doom]

but ur named after one of the best albums ever (aka a beatles album) :(

[ConsoleCoWBoY]

LOL! =D

I love this thread! What a great series of posts! InaudibleWisper just put the final nail in the coffin on gh2masterwellalmost!... And Lithium does what he always does - making perfect lucid sense on an otherwise nonthinking entity. Now, for that, I present to you, THE RUTLES! =DD

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[Phiromos]

THANK YOU Inaudible-Whisper for kicking GH2MWA....short for the douch who said the beatles suck' a.s.s.....I still love the beatles...favorite band here....im 15....i do not at all think they are overrated...and i will kill wahts his name for making this stupid ass thread to say otherwise....the beatles will destroy you...you snot nosed little kid...id like to see you have songwriting capabilities like that..id like to see you come out with HIT after hit of #1's in the us and uk at the same time, id like to see you write lyrics and compose songs as meaningful as theirs were...you cant..ur a little kid....so shut up

[Rev0lver]

but ur named after one of the best albums ever (aka a beatles album) :(

no. it just happens to have the same name.

[dlisapussy]

Yea, we've had this conversation before.

They were one of the first boy bands if you think about it, all the girls loved it. That's why they are overrated as a band. But as they went on, they experimented with the first electric guitars, backwards music, orchestras, sitars, and marijuana. Marijuana was introduced to the Beatles in '64 by Bob Dylan. After that, their music style changed, George went to India and brought back the sitar sound that he is famous for. Who the **** plays a sitar? George Harrison. Considering he played in the the early 60's to 1970, he was a pioneer in a way, along with Page, Hendrix, Dylan. George Harrison is underrated for his guitar playing in later CDs like Abbey Road, The White Album, Sgt. Pepper's, Revolver, Let It Be and so on. When people hear the Beatles, they think of She Loves You, All My Loving, I Want To Hold Your Hand. Thats the boy band ****. It is undeniably catchy but they grew out of it, Paul said after the first two or three years that they were sick of the "****ing four mop-top approach" as he called it. Paul McCartney, as a bassist, pianist, and singer, was underrated. He plays a mean bass in Abbey Road. He also wrote his own songs along with John and George Martin, and sometimes George and Ringo. Ringo wasn't a bad singer, and he was definitely a pioneer in drumming. Even in the boy band-ish early days, he was a talented drummer. John Lennon wrote some of the best lyrics in the world. ~ "All You Need Is Love" Can't get any better than that. John said in the early days "We're bigger than Jesus." People were outraged. Damn Catholics, but it's actually true, whether they like it or not, they were bigger than Jesus.

So, maybe they were overrated in the beginning because of their huge success with the pop/boy band sound, but if anything, they earned that popularity in their music as they grew older and more mature. They lived music for 9 years together, all they did was play, write, play, write... for 9 years. At the end of the Beatles career, they could call themselves the best band ever, from popularity and music. After 9 years they had music in the palm of their hands and each Beatle individually achieved that. Can you think of a band that was as popular as the Beatles from the very beginning? No band has really done that. It was a shock to the Beatles, too. The one thing I respect most about the Beatles is that they got together, played their pop sound, people loved it. They sold out from the beginning not knowing they would be so popular. And as they went on they "un-soldout", by taking a big look at music, mastering it, and living it. They lived the high life in the 60's. Living in the 60's would be sweet let alone living music in the 60's as popular as they were. Overrated... if you were a girl in the 60's? Probably not. Talented... no doubt in my mind. Pioneers... definitely.

[Phiromos]

Yea, we've had this conversation before.

They were one of the first boy bands if you think about it, all the girls loved it. That's why they are overrated as a band. But as they went on, they experimented with the first electric guitars, backwards music, orchestras, sitars, and marijuana. Marijuana was introduced to the Beatles in '64 by Bob Dylan. After that, their music style changed, George went to India and brought back the sitar sound that he is famous for. Who the **** plays a sitar? George Harrison. Considering he played in the the early 60's to 1970, he was a pioneer in a way, along with Page, Hendrix, Dylan. George Harrison is underrated for his guitar playing in later CDs like Abbey Road, The White Album, Sgt. Pepper's, Revolver, Let It Be and so on. When people hear the Beatles, they think of She Loves You, All My Loving, I Want To Hold Your Hand. Thats the boy band ****. It is undeniably catchy but they grew out of it, Paul said after the first two or three years that they were sick of the "****ing four mop-top approach" as he called it. Paul McCartney, as a bassist, pianist, and singer, was underrated. He plays a mean bass in Abbey Road. He also wrote his own songs along with John and George Martin, and sometimes George and Ringo. Ringo wasn't a bad singer, and he was definitely a pioneer in drumming. Even in the boy band-ish early days, he was a talented drummer. John Lennon wrote some of the best lyrics in the world. ~ "All You Need Is Love" Can't get any better than that. John said in the early days "We're bigger than Jesus." People were outraged. Damn Catholics, but it's actually true, whether they like it or not, they were bigger than Jesus.

some people migt take offence to the last sentence...me being catholic..i dont..becuase my respect for the beatles is so great, i'm glad you were able to show the ignorant people here just how much the beatles meant to the world...they didnt write JUST catchy boyband stuff..they grew into a phenomenon, and people should AT LEAST respect them for it..without them half of the music they listen to...might not even exsist

[cmg4894]

First, lithiumkc is my hero.

Second, I agree with the whole 'Band X sucks' threads. First grow up. If you don't like a band fine. I really don't like Led Zepplin but by now means do I think they suck. I laugh at this whole thread. This comes down to time and place. If the Beatles were 10 years later would they have been as big. I don't think so but they were great and grew more than any band it the same amount of time. Their first single "I Want To Hold Your Hand" is great. Simple but catchy, that was the thing. The best part of the Beatles is this, they only used a 4 track. Come on, before that no one thought you would ever need more than that. They are the reason why there is more. Also, 'Revolution' was the reason the distortion pedal was invented. The first hit single with distortion. gh2masterwellalmost would your bands be around with out distortion? I think not.

[dlisapussy]

I'm Catholic too, Phiromos.

Sorry about that.


But Jesus was a man who lived in the year 2 in a desert. There wasn't much media at all, and it probably is a fact that they are more famous than Jesus. Just from simple numbers, more people probably recognized the Band name The Beatles more than the man Jesus.

Maybe not, but it is a close call if you actually think about it.

I shouldn't have brought it up but oh well.

[Phiromos]

I'm Catholic too, Phiromos.

Sorry about that.


But Jesus was a man who lived in the year 2 in a desert. There wasn't much media at all, and it probably is a fact that they are more famous than Jesus. Just from simple numbers, more people probably recognized the Band name The Beatles more than the man Jesus.

Maybe not, but it is a close call if you actually think about it.

I shouldn't have brought it up but oh well.

nah its all good, the numbers do make them more popular...and i deeply respect them...bringing it up was a valid point too

[lithiumkc]

started this thread cos i wanted to see if there were any people who agree with me, cos not many people do because those people who dont are just being influenced by the media and hype and being told to like it.
Wrong, my parents and others around me always loved the beatles and I never took the time to listen to them. I listened to their bubblegum ****.. like you did.. and thought 'wowww the backstreet boys of the 60's, no thanks'. Later on I heard While My Guitar Gently Weeps and immediately thought 'who is this.' When someone told me, I downloaded the white album. AMAZING. Then I downloaded their other stuff. I listen to mostly rubber soul on, like a lot of people do, simply because it IS their greatest work.


no u dont like them cos theyre "fantastic" you like them cos ur told to like them, then you slowly seem to think "hey, they're gd you know". Probably ur Dad liked them, or a friend or family that greatly influenced you. I dislike cos they're crap
Okay, so now you're just deciding why and how people began to listen to and like their music? Are you sure you can say without a doubt that every single person who likes the beatles was influenced into it by their parents or surroundings? Please. They aren't an organized religion [k that was tongue in cheek, no offense :p ]


3) Why did you buy the albums? Cos you heard them on the radio and you were told to like them, like all Pop. We're all influenced heavily by others, and I think thats why u like the Beatles.
Where did you hear most of the music you listen to? Did you just... walk into a store one day and grab at random cd's until you found one you liked? What music do YOU listen to? What music do you like? This is pretty important considering there are several hundred bands that you could name in which I could turn your own statement around on you.


as i said on the first page, i completely respect the beatles for what they did to rock but i still think their music sucks.

i honestly don't know how you can enjoy them

Revolvers the man. See, he understands the point of my posts. That it's okay not to like something, perfectly okay, but there's a huuuuge difference between not liking music and automatically discrediting the bands ability, or their influence, or any number of other things that have proven to be true about that band. 'I don't like the beatles' is far different than 'The beatles suck and didn't influence anyone, they didn't make the electric guitar'.

uhh.. That has nothing to do with anything. Otherwise you have to say blues, jazz and big band are the only influential music types because i believe that is where they started to use amps.

The 'we're bigger than jesus' comment was actually blown way out of proportion because it was published in a magazine out of context. What lennon was saying was that christianity was on the decline, people were beginning to think up their own ideologies on how to live life, and that the beatles were at their peak popularity. He was not in any way saying 'Were better' or 'Were greater' than jesus. It just hit that way because the magazine took one sentence without the rest of the conversation before that.

All in all, I'm getting sick of thread after thread of this 'Band A sucks' talk. I'm also getting sick of people stopping these threads short or making excuses as soon as somebody comes in and disagrees. Thats just plain cowardly. Don't make a thread saying such and such a band sucks without having some clear evidence to support that statement. Don't even make those threads in the first place, what good does it do you to bash music you don't like? Is that what gets you off? Do something more productive, listen to bands you like and turn off the radio when the Beatles come on then.

Im gonna go listen to abbey road ;)

[Daywalker69]

You realize the only reason everyone is saying the beatles suck is because says they're better than they are.

[dlisapussy]

I am listening to Abbey Road:D

[gh2masterwellalmost]

Yh, I did make this thread to see what responses id get and its friggin hilarious!.

Chrz ladiez, seeing all you people take this one band so seriously is just funny as hell. Anyway...

Queen suck
Rolling Stones suck
Guns N Roses suck
Pearl Jam suck
All 80s music suck
All music you like suck.

DISCUSS :D haha friggin fantastic.

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just cos im bored.

[gh2masterwellalmost]

Beatles suck have only heard the likes of "She Loves You" and "I want to hold your hand" judging from comments like "They only make songs like Rock around the Clock".

You ***.

btw. i was referring to Beatles being as related to Rock music today as Rock Around the Clock is related to Rock today. I know that Bill Haley sang that terrible piece of crap, and I even said Rock Around the Clock was not made by Beatles if you were bothered to read it.

And my reasons why they suck? Cos when I listen to them, a chemical reaction in my brain tells me I dont like em. Thus, IMHO they suck.

Oh and dont forget - all music u like sucks. Discuss. And let the flaming ensue, cos man this is funny.

[lithiumkc]

btw. i was referring to Beatles being as related to Rock music today as Rock Around the Clock is related to Rock today.
Well, if huge amounts of bands and artist had listed rock around the clock as a huge influence, then we would have to admit that it was influential. However, they do not, so it isn't. The beatles are admittedly influential to TONS AND TONS of bands


I know that Bill Haley sang that terrible piece of crap, and I even said Rock Around the Clock was not made by Beatles if you were bothered to read it.
So? It has nothing at all to do with their music. That's like saying 'Nirvana sucks and isn't influential cause theyre like Larger Than Life by backstreet boys'

Look, I can randomly throw out a song and compare it to a band it has nothing to do with too :rolleyes:



And my reasons why they suck? Cos when I listen to them, a chemical reaction in my brain tells me I dont like em. Thus, IMHO they suck.

No, thus IYHO, you don't like them. Example - The olympics are on and Canada once again takes the gold medal. Say they take the gold medal 3 successive olympics in a row. You, however, are american, and you don't like them. Does that also mean they suck? NO, OBVIOUSLY NOT. The difference between not liking something and that same thing sucking is blatantly obvious. You simply are choosing to deny proof of this, and its showing your age and your ignorance.


Oh and dont forget - all music u like sucks. Discuss. And let the flaming ensue, cos man this is funny.
So.. What? You originally made this just to get people flaming for your own entertainment? How is it at all funny to have everything you say refuted and basically get demolished in a thread you made simply to have people agree with you? Grow up man. I realize you're 14, but seriously. You made this thread because you actually think people are pushed into liking them, and you actually think they're not influential. You made this thread out of stupidity and ignorance, not some kind of social experiment like you're trying to make it out now. So... Don't continue lying, I think you've done enough of that.

[KillerIsMe]

Nothing personal or anything, but I hate when people post threads just to piss people of and laugh at their reactions. I don't see any point in that.

I honestly don't like the Beatles music either, just maybe one or two songs, but I respect them for being inspriations.

Like this:
Beatles was the main inspiration for Ozzy Osbourne (according to Ozzy himself). Ozzy sings for Black Sabbath. Without Beatles, Ozzy might have not become the singer of Sabbath. That means no Sabbath, and no Sabbath means basicly no Heavy Metal at all.

So yeah, I very much respect The Beatles.

[gh2masterwellalmost]

Well, if huge amounts of bands and artist had listed rock around the clock as a huge influence, then we would have to admit that it was influential. However, they do not, so it isn't. The beatles are admittedly influential to TONS AND TONS of bands

So? It has nothing at all to do with their music. That's like saying 'Nirvana sucks and isn't influential cause theyre like Larger Than Life by backstreet boys'

Look, I can randomly throw out a song and compare it to a band it has nothing to do with too :rolleyes:


No, thus IYHO, you don't like them. Example - The olympics are on and Canada once again takes the gold medal. Say they take the gold medal 3 successive olympics in a row. You, however, are american, and you don't like them. Does that also mean they suck? NO, OBVIOUSLY NOT. The difference between not liking something and that same thing sucking is blatantly obvious. You simply are choosing to deny proof of this, and its showing your age and your ignorance.

So.. What? You originally made this just to get people flaming for your own entertainment? How is it at all funny to have everything you say refuted and basically get demolished in a thread you made simply to have people agree with you? Grow up man. I realize you're 14, but seriously. You made this thread because you actually think people are pushed into liking them, and you actually think they're not influential. You made this thread out of stupidity and ignorance, not some kind of social experiment like you're trying to make it out now. So... Don't continue lying, I think you've done enough of that.

hee hee. Im British btw, u said i was American. Anyway. Chrz for ur feedback and keep it coming

[lithiumkc]

hee hee. Im British btw, u said i was American. Anyway. Chrz for ur feedback and keep it coming

I wasn't referring to 'you' as you. I was just making an example because in the winter olympics that's a big rivalry. What if somebody at school doesn't like you? Does that mean you suck? Does that take away from anything you've done or awards youve received? No. Even if someones opinion is that you suck, it doesn't make it true, and if it can be proved otherwise that without a doubt it's untrue, theres really no reason to keep following the opinion.

[gh2masterwellalmost]

I wasn't referring to 'you' as you. I was just making an example because in the winter olympics that's a big rivalry. What if somebody at school doesn't like you? Does that mean you suck? Does that take away from anything you've done or awards youve received? No. Even if someones opinion is that you suck, it doesn't make it true, and if it can be proved otherwise that without a doubt it's untrue, theres really no reason to keep following the opinion.

yep, good for u. Just tell it like it is. Ahem. So, the difference between GH3 and RB u were talking bout right? No? Ok. Just keep saying this stuff and ill pretend im listening.

Keep the flaming coming. In the words of Peter Griffin: "freakin' sweet!"

[lithiumkc]

yep, good for u. Just tell it like it is. Ahem. So, the difference between GH3 and RB u were talking bout right? No? Ok. Just keep saying this stuff and ill pretend im listening.
What... the hell... are you talking about? This thread went from your opinion mixed with lies to simply just inane rambling.



Keep the flaming coming. In the words of Peter Griffin: "freakin' sweet!"
See, flaming is insulting somebody. Disagreeing and proving statements untrue is not the same thing. You act like it's the same thing because you're reading and seeing things that don't float your boat. Your original post had far more similarities to flaming than my responses.

But really, this thread's about run its course and its obvious where the truth lies.

Bye buddy, im convinced that like myself your 'opinions' will change with age and your comprehension of what I'm saying will be an inevitability. If not.. I feel sorry for ya :)

[gh2masterwellalmost]

What... the hell... are you talking about? This thread went from your opinion mixed with lies to simply just inane rambling.


See, flaming is insulting somebody. Disagreeing and proving statements untrue is not the same thing. You act like it's the same thing because you're reading and seeing things that don't float your boat. Your original post had far more similarities to flaming than my responses.

But really, this thread's about run its course and its obvious where the truth lies.

Bye buddy, im convinced that like myself your 'opinions' will change with age and your comprehension of what I'm saying will be an inevitability. If not.. I feel sorry for ya :)

say it like it is sister!
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[lithiumkc]

say it like it is sister!


That is usually my objective ;)

[gh2masterwellalmost]

That is usually my objective ;)

yes. w.e. u said.

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[Inaudible-Whisper]

Having admitted that you came in here ONLY to put across a controversial opinion to bait people into replying is actually the perfect definition of an internet troll.


A troll is someone who intentionally posts messages about sensitive topics constructed to cause controversy in an online community such as an online discussion forum or USENET groups in order to bait users into responding.

Well done. You've made a thread pretty much condemned by everybody on the internet. Even idiots hate trolls. Especially idiotic trolls. Face it, you claim your getting a laugh out of this, but everybody is laughing at you. You're alone in your ignorant assumptions and opinions. The fact that you'll probably reply with "haha!!! Keep it coming lulz" is even more pitiful. You have not only lost any sense of respect that you once had, but have you been completely and utterly OWNED.

[lithiumkc]

Yeah. May have been a bit of discussion to begin with but now it's just turned into ridiculous crap with nonsensical videos and basically just childishness. Thread over.

[gh2masterwellalmost]

Yeah, better off just letting this thread die. May have been a bit of discussion to begin with but now it's just turned into ridiculous crap with nonsensical videos and basically just childishness. Thread over.

i said agree to disagree ages ago. But UR childishness kept this going, so I responded with equally childish comments. So... BUMP!

[lithiumkc]

Disagreement and providing differing opinions that are factually supported =/= being childish.

Calling somebody out after they lie, while being respectful and without insulting them =/= childish

Trying to stop discussion when you get absolutely decimated by several different people, then in turn claiming they are the childish ones = childish.

Saying you made the thread to rile people up and get some laughs = childish

Posting videos that have no relevance to the discussion = childish

Youre not helping yourself or saving your own ass at all here, if anything your subsequent replies just make you look worse. Better off not blaming everybody else here. Just admit you were wrong about some of the things you said and be done with it. Thats the adult thing to do here. Standing by your original lies even in the face of undeniable proof from opposition is completely childish and stubborn.

Nobody flamed you except for the obvious one or two who were namecalling. I didn't flame you at all. I called you ignorant because you acted out the definiton of ignorance several times. That's not an insult, that's an observation. I just stated facts and evidence that disprove what you said. The fact that you call that childish or flaming shows that you think your opinions are untouchable. Well, they're not. Sorry. Post another couple random videos and keep hiding behind this 'The world is against meee' facade.

[lithiumkc]

And before you say I'm childish for replying, the only reason I'm doing it is because I believe that you can benefit from not only acceptance of other peoples music, but you are going to NEED to be able to accept that other people have other opinions and not just completely shut down in the face of them. Thats immaturity. Maturity involves the ability to discuss something like this and not close down or at least admit your mistakes when you make them. I may debate a lot, but I do take responsibility when somebody proves I am being hypocritical, or when it's obvious I'm wrong based on the facts presented. You are going to need to do the same almost every day of your life, so it's important to learn this **** now instead of becoming nothing but an anal, selfish child.

I've not hampered your ability to have an opinion. I said multiple times that I have no issue with you disliking the beatles, THATS an opinion, everybody is entitled to that. The issue i was taking up is the rest of the lies you were saying. THAT'S what I was arguing against. There is a huge difference that I don't think you understand.

[gh2masterwellalmost]

And before you say I'm childish for replying, the only reason I'm doing it is because I believe that you can benefit from not only acceptance of other peoples music, but you are going to NEED to be able to accept that other people have other opinions and not just completely shut down in the face of them. Thats immaturity. Maturity involves the ability to discuss something like this and not close down or at least admit your mistakes when you make them. I may debate a lot, but I do take responsibility when somebody proves I am being hypocritical, or when it's obvious I'm wrong based on the facts presented. You are going to need to do the same almost every day of your life, so it's important to learn this **** now instead of becoming nothing but an anal, selfish child.

I've not hampered your ability to have an opinion. I said multiple times that I have no issue with you disliking the beatles, THATS an opinion, everybody is entitled to that. The issue i was taking up is the rest of the lies you were saying. THAT'S what I was arguing against. There is a huge difference that I don't think you understand.

yes. repeating what uve said REALLY brings the point home. ahem. Keep going with that. I CBA to argue now, but is funny to bump it

[gh2masterwellalmost]

Bumptastic!!

[dlisapussy]

Yh, I did make this thread to see what responses id get and its friggin hilarious!.

Chrz ladiez, seeing all you people take this one band so seriously is just funny as hell. Anyway...

Queen suck
Rolling Stones suck
Guns N Roses suck
Pearl Jam suck
All 80s music suck
All music you like suck.

DISCUSS :D haha friggin fantastic.

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just cos im bored.


haha shut up
your annoying

[Phiromos]

I REALLY hope gh2master is emo..even if hes not...im gonna throw him in the gas chambers with em...so the emos will kill him anyway...slow painful death..hes in his little corner flailing cuz hes scared so many people are against him haha

[dlisapussy]

Does this gh2master respect the Beatles?

[gh2masterwellalmost]

I REALLY hope gh2master is emo..even if hes not...im gonna throw him in the gas chambers with em...so the emos will kill him anyway...slow painful death..hes in his little corner flailing cuz hes scared so many people are against him haha

im only scared of humanity - that a majority think The Beatles are gd.

Anyway. Not emo, got the hair mind but not the compass-on-arm-listening-to-MCR thing going on.

And why would I be scared of some people discussing The Beatles in a videogame forum.

[Phiromos]

he BETTER, or imma take a GIANT axe and chop his head off

[gh2masterwellalmost]

oh and do keep this coming, honestly, what with my 360 off with repair still for the next 10 days i got plenty of time to read ur hilarious comments.

So tell me about this emo place of fire or w.e. it is. Give me it in detail

[dlisapussy]

What are you talking about?

Go listen to emo.

Because thats the good ****, right?
hahahahahaha

i love emos
so simple minded

go cry about a girl for the next year ***

[gh2masterwellalmost]

Does this gh2master respect the Beatles?

no, i dont. Discuss. Plus im not a GH2Master thus the gh2masterwellalmost name lol, im ok at it not that gd.

This reminds me of a family guy video, when Peter just randomly starts saying bad stuff about New Yorkers for them all to start fighting.

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this one is actually related, when u get 35 secs in. Enjoy, Family Guy is fantastic.

[gh2masterwellalmost]

What are you talking about?

Go listen to emo.

Because thats the good ****, right?
hahahahahaha

i love emos
so simple minded

go cry about a girl for the next year ***

im not emo btw. I mean, if you want to spend the next 5 pages of this thread discussing it plz do, go ahead.

Cos yesterday (British time) we were on page 2 today we're 8. Gr8 work ladiez.

[gh2masterwellalmost]

bumptastic!

[dlisapussy]

im only scared of humanity - that a majority think The Beatles are gd.

Anyway. Not emo, got the hair mind but not the compass-on-arm-listening-to-MCR thing going on.

And why would I be scared of some people discussing The Beatles in a videogame forum.





The majority of humanity DOES think The Beatles are good. I wonder why?

Way to be emo, ***.

You shouldn't be scared, you should be ashamed.

Go cry.:(

[Phiromos]

damn is this kid STILL ranting...might as well wait till hes done to make him feel bad

[gh2masterwellalmost]

The majority of humanity DOES think The Beatles are good. I wonder why?

Way to be emo, ***.

You shouldn't be scared, you should be ashamed.

Go cry.:(

so im emo. Ok, o holy one, because what you say is always true.

You couldnt pass me a knife, my wrist and MCR could you?

Although I admit I liked "Dead!" on GH2 360...

[gh2masterwellalmost]

damn is this kid STILL ranting...might as well wait till hes done to make him feel bad

na im going til this stops getting replies/is locked.

[dlisapussy]

no, i dont. Discuss.


I'm an idiot.
You started this thread to piss people off.

It's working.
Way to be the biggest ***** in the world.

[Phiromos]

*yawn* he done yet

[gh2masterwellalmost]

*yawn* he done yet

when u stop posting, yh.

Tho thx ur a bit quicker than the other guys with their like 10 paragraph moaning sessions

[dlisapussy]

name me a couple beatles songs

[gh2masterwellalmost]

Way to be the biggest ***** in the world.

not sure im as bad as Hitler or Robert Mugabe or John Lennon but hey, w.e. u say.

:D

[gh2masterwellalmost]

name me a couple beatles songs

hard day's night, penny lane. Couple means two so - if u want more fine. I know them cos ive listened to them and a chemical reaction in my brain sent off the signal of "dislike" when i heard em.

[dlisapussy]

not sure im as bad as Hitler or Robert Mugabe or John Lennon but hey, w.e. u say.

:D



I'm sure.
Your a pretty big ***** if you ask anyone on this thread.

And how is John Lennon a *****?

[gh2masterwellalmost]

oh man i was missing coronation street for this ;)

ill come back to ur replies in 10 mins. Ill set u a challenge - get it to page 10 by then. Enjoy.

[Phiromos]

*hums the tune to "Hey Jude"* oh, hes still not done..alright i'll wait

[gh2masterwellalmost]

And how is John Lennon a *****?

how is he not? (thisll get it to page 10 surely ;))

well he made Beatles music. He was pacifist, like me, but musically ouch. And the Yoko Ono stuff - god that was bad.

[gh2masterwellalmost]

*hums the tune to "Hey Jude"* oh, hes still not done..alright i'll wait

*hums the tune to "Hysteria by Muse"* oh hes still not done replying that I'm not done..alright i'll wait

missing coranation street for u lot :)

[BunaHuna]

*hums the tune to "Hysteria by Muse"*

Now hes making the music i listen to look bad.:mad:

[dlisapussy]

Awwwwww come on, answer my question.

I know why you don't like John Lennon.

It's probably because he's overrated like the rest of The Beatles.

He was assassinated.

Probably because he was overrated. Right?

And probably from an ******* very very similar to you.

I don't care what you say because I know The Beatles are the greatest band in the world and you can't go any higher than the highest. You can't really overrate The Beatles. They are top of the line. For the most part, they are still underrated in many ways. You probably haven't heard of half their songs. I have, and so have many others. Mainly the majority of humanity.
But they don't think The Beatles are overrated. The majority rules, bud.

[Phiromos]

ah finally hes done ranting...what did i miss?? the beatles will haunt you ^ ^

[gh2masterwellalmost]

Awwwwww come on, answer my question.

I know why you don't like John Lennon.

It's probably because he's overrated like the rest of The Beatles.

He was assassinated.

Probably because he was overrated. Right?

And probably from an ******* very very similar to you.

I don't care what you say because I know The Beatles are the greatest band in the world and you can't go any higher than the highest. You can't really overrate The Beatles. They are top of the line. For the most part, they are still underrated in many ways. You probably haven't heard of half their songs. I have, and so have many others. Mainly the majority of humanity.
But they don't think The Beatles are overrated. The majority rules, bud.

look im sure John Lennon was a decent bloke, I just did not like his music. I am pacifist, thus i think all assassinations are wrong.

fine i wont take back what u think. i just wish people wouldnt take back MY opinion that they're overrated. They probably had a big effect, I just dont like them, and I wish people could take it.

Thus when people were having a go at me, I started being childish. I apologise for that, and I just feel like some of you were just as childish in ur responses. I apologise that my beliefs are not the same as you, and I've learnt to accept urs, so plz accept mine.

Thank you for ur patience. My childishness was just me doing a knee jerk reaction, and I hope we can all agree that our opinions are equal.

Thank you. Please do comment on this, I want to see if we're all ok and the flaming, by me and the users of this thread, have stopped.

I hope we can all be grown up, and I feel I've matured through this as well.

[Rockerman]

You know what sucks?This thread

[Phiromos]

look im sure John Lennon was a decent bloke, I just did not like his music. I am pacifist, thus i think all assassinations are wrong.

fine i wont take back what u think. i just wish people wouldnt take back MY opinion that they're overrated. They probably had a big effect, I just dont like them, and I wish people could take it.

Thus when people were having a go at me, I started being childish. I apologise for that, and I just feel like some of you were just as childish in ur responses. I apologise that my beliefs are not the same as you, and I've learnt to accept urs, so plz accept mine.

Thank you for ur patience. My childishness was just me doing a knee jerk reaction, and I hope we can all agree that our opinions are equal.

Thank you. Please do comment on this, I want to see if we're all ok and the flaming, by me and the users of this thread, have stopped.

I hope we can all be grown up, and I feel I've matured through this as well.

WOHOO im proud of you ^ ^ i knew you'd realize what was going on...well done

[Delajoo]

hahahah

this is the stupidest opinion i've ever heard expressed.


whether you like them or hate them, the beatles are the most important band ever. period. without them, you aren't listening to alot of your favourite bands (which is what i find ironic about this discussion). Listen to any of sgt. peppers lonely band's tracks and tell me a band that brought stuff like that to the table before them. they were decades before there time. now come off it.

[Rev0lver]

Awwwwww come on, answer my question.

I know why you don't like John Lennon.

It's probably because he's overrated like the rest of The Beatles.

He was assassinated.

Probably because he was overrated. Right?

And probably from an ******* very very similar to you.

I don't care what you say because I know The Beatles are the greatest band in the world and you can't go any higher than the highest. You can't really overrate The Beatles. They are top of the line. For the most part, they are still underrated in many ways. You probably haven't heard of half their songs. I have, and so have many others. Mainly the majority of humanity.
But they don't think The Beatles are overrated. The majority rules, bud.

oh so now you make the whole guilt trip "he was assassinated". it really pisses me off when people think more highly of somebody because they were killed. although i'm sorry he was killed, i personally think JFK was a **** president .

the beatles shouldn't be rated for their popularity or their influence. they should be rated by their talent and quality of music, which in the beatles case is the most overrated thing i can think of.

[lithiumkc]

oh so now you make the whole guilt trip "he was assassinated". it really pisses me off when people think more highly of somebody because they were killed. although i'm sorry he was killed, i personally think JFK was a **** president .

the beatles shouldn't be rated for their popularity or their influence. they should be rated by their talent and quality of music, which in the beatles case is the most overrated thing i can think of.

I'd have to say that their overwhelming influence is part of the proof of their talent and music quality. Why else would they be the most covered band in history, with the most covered song in history? Surely not if the music sucked. Many of the greatest bands in history list the Beatles as a favorite band, as an influence. So... If so many of the great musicians of our time after the Beatles were finished think they're great, isn't that a telltale sign of quality music? That seems like a logical correlation to me. People who have brilliant skill in music are more likely to understand music in general.

I still don't care when people don't like them. I understand why they don't, fully. The music is not as relevant today, for sure. But the beautiful melody and the absolute perfect mix of all their instrumentation is undeniable, to me.

[Inaudible-Whisper]

oh so now you make the whole guilt trip "he was assassinated". it really pisses me off when people think more highly of somebody because they were killed. although i'm sorry he was killed, i personally think JFK was a **** president .

the beatles shouldn't be rated for their popularity or their influence. they should be rated by their talent and quality of music, which in the beatles case is the most overrated thing i can think of.

If their music was overrated, they wouldn't have been popular, they wouldn't have been influential and we wouldn't have a 10 page thread on an almost 50 year old band. There is a reason almost every great musician classes the Beatles as an influence. Because they love their music. For them to be overrated, the general consensus would have to be "They were hugely popular, but most people don't think they're music is too special". On the contrary, the majority adore the music. They are overrated only to you, and a small minority. Not in general.

There's also the huge amount of work they created. Ask 20 Beatles fans what their favourite Beatles song is and it wouldn't be all too surprising to get 20 different answers.

And I'm not having a go at you. You respect them, and I respect that you don't like them. GH2masterwellimok, take some notes on how to get across your opinion. Had you opened the thread with "Does anybody else not enjoy the Beatles music? I mean, I understand how huge they were but I don't like it". Your first post was actually somewhat close to this, but then everything that followed was a barrage of "THEY SUCKK!!!! LOLZ!!". That is trolling, immature and unacceptable. That kind of thing doesn't initiate debate, it initiates a 10 page hate campaign aimed at you. And the majority of responses toward you were not childish or immature or flamming. They were mostly well thought out arguments invalidating your silly "they suck" stance. I hope now that you understand that you can't really act in that way and not expect a retaliation, albeit a well coordinated one.

[ConsoleCoWBoY]

=o

...is that it?... i'm disappointed! I almost expected blood to be spilled because of this thread. How boring of you all. Now I'm going to have to go someplace else to watch the under-bridge dwellers get taken apart... Thanks for ruining my night! ='(

PS: Was that emo enough for everyone?... No?... then how's this:
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=DD

[BobLoblaw]

im gonna agree to disagree. What did they do? release more canabis-ensued crap songs involving him "sleeping like a log"? They didnt make electic guitar - plus what they called rock'n'roll like "Rock around the Clock" (yh i know it wasnt by them but its more crap stuff like it) pure garbage. Tell me how thats Muse or Nirvana, or alternative rock like Radiohead?

They sucked. And these people who perpetuate the myth they're gd just shows how tryly ignorant and stupid, and are the type of people who are "I HATE YOUNG PEOPLE WITH THEIR HOP-HIP OR W.E. THE DARNEST ITS CALLED" (well i guess thats how you talk) You're ****ing ******ed. :confused:

[Rev0lver]

I'd have to say that their overwhelming influence is part of the proof of their talent and music quality. Why else would they be the most covered band in history, with the most covered song in history? Surely not if the music sucked. Many of the greatest bands in history list the Beatles as a favorite band, as an influence. So... If so many of the great musicians of our time after the Beatles were finished think they're great, isn't that a telltale sign of quality music? That seems like a logical correlation to me. People who have brilliant skill in music are more likely to understand music in general.

I still don't care when people don't like them. I understand why they don't, fully. The music is not as relevant today, for sure. But the beautiful melody and the absolute perfect mix of all their instrumentation is undeniable, to me.

the reason they are influential is because they changed rock music in general. without them, we could still be stuck hearing elvis-type music. but it has nothing to do with their skill. look at the ramones for example, plenty of punk bands cite them as an influence, yet most of their songs are just a few straight power chords. they're influential because they basically helped create the genre of punk, not because they were incredibly talented.

[dlisapussy]

Beatles are the greatest band ever. Everyone knows they're the most important, some people just don't like that fact. They would rather have their favorite band be the greatest band ever, but unless its the Beatles, their favorite band isn't the greatest band ever.

[gh2masterwellalmost]

yh i respect they made a BIG difference, but plz just accept that some people dont like them. Read a few posts/pages up and ull see my full message on this...

[Rev0lver]

Beatles are the greatest band ever. Everyone knows they're the most important, some people just don't like that fact. They would rather have their favorite band be the greatest band ever, but unless its the Beatles, their favorite band isn't the greatest band ever.

i realize that they're important. i just don't think their music was that great.

[Soothsayer]

well b4 i was being kind to the Beatles cos I thought id get decimated but...

they suck!

thank you.

I totally agree.

[Phiromos]

see we all ALMOST just got along, until soothsayer said that....dude...imma kill you so stfu now...thank you, everyone else, continue on ^ ^

[gh2masterwellalmost]

see we all ALMOST just got along, until soothsayer said that....dude...imma kill you so stfu now...thank you, everyone else, continue on ^ ^

lol yep but nothing lasts forever. Btw agree with rev0lver on this one, not a fan of the music but that doesnt take away what they did. Since i've repeated this like 20 times now :P are we done?

[Phiromos]

lol yep but nothing lasts forever. Btw agree with rev0lver on this one, not a fan of the music but that doesnt take away what they did. Since i've repeated this like 20 times now :P are we done?

yeah i think so, not everyone's gonna love a band, but that band could be influencial, nobody agrees on anything, we're done till the next jackass comes and screws things up ^ ^

[dlisapussy]

Yea we're done.

I have to admit I was getting pretty pissed off. I'm not arguing this, but I really don't understand how someone doesn't like them. I'm pretty sure it was gh2masterwellalmost who said this, but it went something like "You probably heard it from your dad or something". I heard the Beatles from my aunt, she was really into the early ****. This year I discovered the rest of their discography (which is too much at one time) and I was blown away. I can't change your opinion, BUT I CAN SUGGEST THAT ANYONE WHO DOESN'T LIKE THE BEATLES SHOULD LISTEN TO THEIR DISCOGRAPHY. It is a HUGE discography, but you might discover (will discover) the greatest songs ever recorded. It's just up to you whether you let it grow on you or not.

[Phiromos]

yeah actually today i went out and bought a RECORD PLAYER!!! ya i know...i have tons of beatles original albums, sgt peppers, rubber soul, let it be, magical mystery tour, the white albums, and the solo works of john lennon, ringo star, and paul mccartney, along with outer misc. beatles albums, like their work from 1960 to 65 and 65 to 70, and a ton of others that weren't a major album

[dlisapussy]

yea i got every album except for the red and blue albums, which are hit singles and most of those songs are on the CD "1"

I got the new CD "Love" which is basically remixes of Beatles songs. I suggest you get that too, its pretty sweet.

[Phiromos]

yeah already have it for cd, i also have one...those are the only cds tho, the rest are old records, and i have abbey road too, just found it haha

[dlisapussy]

Gotta love the Beatles...

And you gotta love the fact that this is a 'Beatles are overrated' thread, and we are praising the Beatles

[Julio-Claudius]

I agree with this. Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (the song) is no better than most of the Screamo out these days.

[Inaudible-Whisper]

I agree with this. Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (the song) is no better than most of the Screamo out these days.

What's that got to do with anything? That's not exactly classed as a Beatles all time classic. I agree that Sgt Peppers the album is overrated though. It's a superb album, but it's not even the Beatles best, never mind best in the world.

[ConsoleCoWBoY]

What's that got to do with anything? That's not exactly classed as a Beatles all time classic. I agree that Sgt Peppers the album is overrated though. It's a superb album, but it's not even the Beatles best, never mind best in the world.

Agreed. Although there were a few songs that I particularly liked, it was mostly an experimental album - the fact that it was immensely popular is what drives that misconception of being their "greatest" today.

IMHO Rubber Soul / Revolver / Hard Day's Night were probably their best put together albums, as far as track placement and layout is concerned. (My fave is Rubber Soul! No, Revolver! ACH! It's sooo hard to make up my mind on that one! I wish they'd just combine the two and call it Rubber Revolver! =DD )

But, let's agree on this one thing: EVERYONE has an opinion about the Beatles. That's part of their mystique and greatness - EVEN if you don't like them! =)

[tucsonovernite]

dollars to donuts the guy who started this thread is under 16 years old.....i mean come on folks you can post whateva ya want....but......uh..just forget it////////i need to go take my old man blood pressure meds....:o

[gh2masterwellalmost]

dollars to donuts the guy who started this thread is under 16 years old.....i mean come on folks you can post whateva ya want....but......uh..just forget it////////i need to go take my old man blood pressure meds....:o

you see the word "betting" is putting money on something you're not 100% sure the outcome is going to be. But you're "betting dollars to donuts" on something you could find out by finding who started the thread, and clicking their profile and go WOOOOOOO it says age: 14. Dips**t

Anyway, we're all agreeing on things then you come along, like some1 said (can't remember who) "we'll do fine until the next jackass comes along", well we found him, and it ain't me this time :P

so just incase its ANOTHER person who doesn't read the new messages just the old ones: appreciate they made a difference, just dislike them. Happy now?

[DJ_Xero]

This thread is a perfect example of a successful troll.

Everybody, He was obviously trolling you, a violation of the rules. He was rude (rule violation), and was spamming inane videos(Guess what! Rule violation) .

There is a "Report Post" button. Use it.

Reposts, Spammers, Trolls, whatever it is that breaks the rules or fills up the forums with trash, report them. I'm sure it is a help to the community when you have one person ruining the fun of the online community.

Not a mod, but still, use the tools the management gave you.

[lithiumkc]

lol.. welcome to the forums xero, youre obviously new :)

Theyre not heavyhanded enough to ban or lock threads unless they get extremely out of hand. Youll understand soon enough

[Julio-Claudius]

Ha, just wait till you get lots of spambots. That'll change their mentality!

[lithiumkc]

It has begun...

Even in the past couple months theres been more publicity, more double/triple/quad threads, more trolls. They won't catch everything, so they might need to get a couple mods in here soon before it turns into guitar hero forums /shudder

[Phiromos]

It has begun...

Even in the past couple months theres been more publicity, more double/triple/quad threads, more trolls. They won't catch everything, so they might need to get a couple mods in here soon before it turns into guitar hero forums /shudder

NOO...pleas HMXSean, stop thw trolls now!! i cannot see my precious RB forum go to hell...i will mod it damnit, if it'll stop the trolls!! i dont wanna lose this one the way we lost the GH forum, we still have time to save it

[lithiumkc]

I dont think it will ever get that bad, don't worry too much. It got progressively worse as hmx got less and eventually no control over GH. They actually give a damn about their message boards, they've proved that, and cinder coming here has proved that RO doesn't care about their forums whatsoever.

[Julio-Claudius]

Julio for moderator!

[Phiromos]

haha yes we'll be great and yeah i have faith in HMX, they always take care and do things right

[tucsonovernite]

I apologize as i came across rather abrasively earlier....i do appreciate the self deprication w/ your user name......:o

Just curious GHmasterwellalmost do you enjoy any rock bands from the mid-late 60's?

[gh2masterwellalmost]

This thread is a perfect example of a successful troll.

Everybody, He was obviously trolling you, a violation of the rules. He was rude (rule violation), and was spamming inane videos(Guess what! Rule violation) .

There is a "Report Post" button. Use it.

Reposts, Spammers, Trolls, whatever it is that breaks the rules or fills up the forums with trash, report them. I'm sure it is a help to the community when you have one person ruining the fun of the online community.

Not a mod, but still, use the tools the management gave you.

splitting this up into three sections: ---------------------- Part 1-----------------------------

dude i think you'll find that it is now YOU who is spoiling this now nice thread.

If I hadn't have apologised and admitted my wrongs, and showed that i have matured from this experience, im sure the thread would have been locked/I would have been banned. The Mods check threads all the time, and im sure they've seen this one before. Heck, I'd love to see what the HMX guys think of the Beatles.

BTW, do scroll back a few pages if you missed my apology. Oh, and since NOT talking about the topic is also against the rules (probably, I dunno, didnt read em):

-----------------------------------------------Part 2. This is the Improvement on the Gd original :P------------

Beatles fans: Im sure Im missing the point but what is the reason for the Number 9 song, with it getting repeated over and over again. I'm not gonna badmouth it, I just want someone to break it down for me. Chrz.

----------------------------------------------Part 3: the terrible Remake. Any1 getting the joke?----------------

to tucsonovernite: i liked Jimi Hendrix...
to you guys debating GH forums: what happened there?

[lithiumkc]

splitting this up into three sections: ---------------------- Part 1-----------------------------



#9 is not considered one of their good songs... Its not even a song. There isn't really a point other than it's got a bunch of stuff you can play backwards and people dissected it trying to find meaning, of which there really wasn't any.

[beerman]

Oasis>The Beatles

[lithiumkc]

bahahahaha

oh wait, you were serious?


BAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[dlisapussy]

#9 is not considered one of their good songs... Its not even a song. There isn't really a point other than it's got a bunch of stuff you can play backwards and people dissected it trying to find meaning, of which there really wasn't any.



Revolution #9 was just 4 drugged up dudes being drugged up

[dlisapussy]

Oasis>The Beatles


Definately








??????????

[cmg4894]

Oasis>The Beatles

Oasis wants to be >The Beatles

CORRECTED

[Julio-Claudius]

Oasis wants to be >The Beatles

CORRECTED
Very true!

[Inaudible-Whisper]

Ha! The Gallagher's have even stated themselves that they're a rip off of the Beatles. When approached to cover a Beatles song Noel said "I was thinking it was a bit pointless going there to copy the Beatles because it was never going to be as good". You know you must be wrong when even the band members themselves can't possibly rate themselves as highly. If you actually told Noel your opinion, beerman, I wouldn't be surprised if he punched you.

[DJ_Xero]

Lithium, if you pay attention, I've actually been here longer than you, plus I was a frequent poster of Freq.com (back in the orange and red days) and Freqremixes.net.

I lurk more than I post.

But enough about me.

Beatles are pretty sweet. Not only influentially, but their music is just kickass.

[gh2masterwellalmost]

Lithium, if you pay attention, I've actually been here longer than you, plus I was a frequent poster of Freq.com (back in the orange and red days) and Freqremixes.net.

I lurk more than I post.

But enough about me.

Beatles are pretty sweet. Not only influentially, but their music is just kickass.

so we've stop moaning now have we?

Anyway.... I Like oasis:o im a leetle bit hipocritical considering i dont like the Beatles and Wonderwall is one of my favourite songs LOL.

Oh and yh, Noel did once say they're rip off of the Beatles - he think it was done jokeingly but he did mean that they were a big influence. But he wouldn't punch you, thats Liam's job.. :D

[Eissian]

The Beatles themselves are very overrated, but still quite good.

Ringo Starr unfortunately, is horribly underrated.

[battle_axe_of_doom]

lol ok maybe not underrated but he isn't as horrible as everyone says. listen to the end the drum solo he did on that track shows that while he isn't as technical as others are but he sure as hell wasn't a one trick pony.

also if you listen closely to good morning from sgt pepper's ringo has some skill in with the two bass drums

[lithiumkc]

Lithium, if you pay attention, I've actually been here longer than you, plus I was a frequent poster of Freq.com (back in the orange and red days) and Freqremixes.net.

I lurk more than I post.

But enough about me.

Beatles are pretty sweet. Not only influentially, but their music is just kickass.

I wasn't trying to insult you.. Just thought you were new as I've never seen you post, and these forums have a knack for letting almost anything go sometimes :p

[DJ_Xero]

It's cool.

[beerman]

Just saying that if presented with the option of listening to a Beatles song or an Oasis song, I'll take Oasis.
Definitely Maybe.

[ThePaska]

I just started listening to The Beatles again, and not just some of their better known stuff, but ALL of it, and it is all so good, and so much fun to listen to, they really aren't that overrated at all.

[lithiumkc]

It's just EASY to say they're overrated, because

1. They're good
2. They're one of the biggest, if not THE biggest bands ever.

Anything popular is immediately a target for "OVERRATED". Other cases, it may be true. In this case.. Not a chance in hell. They're just good.

[newwaytodie]

Great songwriters. Not really over-rated in my opinion. More important are the artists that they inspired, that's a true mark of greatness.

[dlisapussy]

Just saying that if presented with the option of listening to a Beatles song or an Oasis song, I'll take Oasis.
Definitely Maybe.


That probably explains your cute little picture







haha just ****ing with you

[gh2masterwellalmost]

It's just EASY to say they're overrated, because

1. They're good
2. They're one of the biggest, if not THE biggest bands ever.

Anything popular is immediately a target for "OVERRATED". Other cases, it may be true. In this case.. Not a chance in hell. They're just good.

definately biggest band ever. I think the way people react to their music, as if God himself came down and decided "im gonna give u the music heaven made" is stupid. BUT the influence they had certaintly CANT be overrated.

I listen to them. I don't like them. No two ways about it. But their influence... now thats something you can't argue against.

[dlisapussy]

The Beatles themselves are very overrated, but still quite good.

Ringo Starr unfortunately, is horribly underrated.



Disagree
Agree

Paul McCartney played bass very, very good, not to mention the he played lefty with a normal bass, making it upside down. Paul also sang while he played (and he has a great voice), he also played piano and sang some songs. He played anything that was put in front of him.

George Harrison played guitar very, very well, too. He was a pioneer, although he never really 'shredded', he did make some of MY favorite solos. His solos may not be fast, but they are musically incredible. To me, George is the guy that sends shivers down my spine when I listen to The Beatles. George also played the sitar, which is pretty crazy and hard. He developed his own little Indian style (very unique).

John Lennon sang great and played decent. He played rhythm , so he was never overrated for his guitar playing. However, he wrote some of the best lyrics, such as "All you need is love", and "Speaking words of wisdom, let it be". Paul and he were excellent (if not the best) songwriters. John could also play the piano.

[xenopherus]

gh2masterwellalmost- Are you in too much of a hurry, or just too stupid to be able to spell the word "good"? What's with the pointless "gd"? No wonder you don't like the Beatles' music. You're a drooling moron.

[battle_axe_of_doom]

Just saying that if presented with the option of listening to a Beatles song or an Oasis song, I'll take Oasis.
Definitely Maybe.

i tried listening to oasis, i did but i couldn't help but passing them off as nothing but mediocre. i dug like one song on that definitely maybe album and the rest just didn't hack it bro

[Rev0lver]

if i had no idea who the beatles were, and listened to a song by them i would just think they are some kind of mediocre classic rock band.

i personally find nothing special about oasis as well.

[Phiromos]

I do understand why people overrate the beatles as performers, becuase they were very good and becoame insanely popular very fast, but if you think about it the fact that they were performers took a backseat to the fact that they wrote and composed almost all of their music...a good 99.9% of it, the other .1% were covers, the lyrics, if made into a modern bands way of playing and played on the radio....that band would shoot to the top just like the beatles did...i mean, just listen to their lyrics, they,re...moving and they have a song for whatever mood you're in, I personally Enjoy "In My Life" and "It's Only Love" both off of Rubber soul (my favorite album by them) and Obviously Sgt. Peppers, which had the most experimental sound but most moving lyrics, until Let It Be that is with "Let It Be" and "Across The Universe"

Speaking of that...im super excited for that movie to come out...its jam packed with beatles songs!!

[Inaudible-Whisper]

John Lennon sang great and played decent. He played rhythm , so he was never overrated for his guitar playing. However, he wrote some of the best lyrics, such as "All you need is love", and "Speaking words of wisdom, let it be". Paul and he were excellent (if not the best) songwriters. John could also play the piano.

Let It Be is a McCartney song (About his mother). Another example of a brilliant Lennon lyric is in my signature.

[lithiumkc]

Let It Be is a McCartney song (About his mother). Another example of a brilliant Lennon lyric is in my signature.

Misunderstanding all you see.


Some of my fave beatles quotes:

Now that you've found another key, what are you going to play?
And in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make.
Yesterday came suddenly
All you need is love

Simple but brilliant.

[gh2masterwellalmost]

gh2masterwellalmost- Are you in too much of a hurry, or just too stupid to be able to spell the word "good"? What's with the pointless "gd"? No wonder you don't like the Beatles' music. You're a drooling moron.

its from when i played Counter Strike - u typed fast or u were killed. Drooling moron - since when did something that happens to spasses when they talk WITH MOUTHS DIPSHI* happen cos i spelt something quickly. Just cos ur too old to realise what "texting" and "msn" (tho i think in America you use AIM instead right) is, doesnt mean you can take it out on me. So let ME have an opinion that they're bad, but may we all recognise they had a big impact. Thank you.

[dlisapussy]

**** **** ****

[ababypenguin]

**** **** ****

You took the words right out of my mouth brother. I am 17 and I LOVE the Beatles, I have turned my friends on to them, and don't know how anyone could say some of the things they have said in this thread.

P.S. I'd like to take this opportunity to thank Lithiumkc for his post on the first page. Thank you.

[lithiumkc]

My pleasure :p

[Tybodsm]

I almost hate to jump into this storm, but here it goes. I like the Beatles. In fact, I would be hard pressed to find a song by them I don't like. However, they never did anything that I loved. Nothing they did ever sent shivers down my spine, or moved my soul to it's depths. As Lithiumkc said in his exhaustive post at the beginning, they had awesome melodies, but all melodies can do is touch the conscious at one of the most shallow degrees. It takes an intricate blending of a great melody, an inspiring harmony, and lyrics that would make Bob Dylan scratch his head and think, "Wow, I've never thought of it that way." I'd like to say something in rebuttal to one thing said by Lithiumkc. You talked about their sound tech being probably the most innovative in the 20th century, but I hardly think you can judge that very well. There have been so many huge jumps in sound technology use by bands like Boston (Who were MIT graduates with engineering degrees experimenting with how they could get different sounds) that saying the Beatles were the most innovative is somewhat ignorant.

Overall, I vote overrated. Good, but not great.

[Phiromos]

I almost hate to jump into this storm, but here it goes. I like the Beatles. In fact, I would be hard pressed to find a song by them I don't like. However, they never did anything that I loved. Nothing they did ever sent shivers down my spine, or moved my soul to it's depths. As Lithiumkc said in his exhaustive post at the beginning, they had awesome melodies, but all melodies can do is touch the conscious at one of the most shallow degrees. It takes an intricate blending of a great melody, an inspiring harmony, and lyrics that would make Bob Dylan scratch his head and think, "Wow, I've never thought of it that way." I'd like to say something in rebuttal to one thing said by Lithiumkc. You talked about their sound tech being probably the most innovative in the 20th century, but I hardly think you can judge that very well. There have been so many huge jumps in sound technology use by bands like Boston (Who were MIT graduates with engineering degrees experimenting with how they could get different sounds) that saying the Beatles were the most innovative is somewhat ignorant.

Overall, I vote overrated. Good, but not great.

says the person with 8 posts who knows nothing about us who have been here for months yet

[Tybodsm]

Why does it require that I've been around here for months to have an opinion on something that I've been hearing my entire life?

[Phrank-E]

Why does it require that I've been around here for months to have an opinion on something that I've been hearing my entire life?


Ignore him.. It doesn't... But what Lithium was saying "their sound tech being probably the most innovative in the 20th century" At thier time... Can't very well judge them against what has come later. The point was, that they were right up to the end innovating at every corner.

As stated before.... I don't have a single Beatles song in my playlist... But I would never take away what they accomplished.

Welcome to the forum.

[Rev0lver]

says the person with 8 posts who knows nothing about us who have been here for months yet

who cares? listen to what he has to say whether he has 2,000 posts or 1 post.

[Julio-Claudius]

I have to give the Beatles lots of props, since Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band was the beginning of what we now know as classic rock.

[wwaballafoshosho]

i like the beatles
i dont have every album and listen to them nonstop
but if they are on the radio ill listen to them
i couldnt say anything about them changing rock cuz i dont really have an opinion on that considering ive only been around 15 years and dont study into that stuff
but yeah if theyre on ill give them a listen
does it matter if theyre overrated or not? i dont think it changes the world either way
my opinion

[ConsoleCoWBoY]

Is this freaking thread STILL ALIVE??!!... You've gotta be kidding me! :(

Here, this will cheer everyone up:
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:D

[gh2masterwellalmost]

17 pages... wow, I did a gd job making this one :D controversial title, some nice insults thrown in for good measure, and it sailed close enough to being locked so people visited, but not enough so no one could post.

Anyway, ur music makes me upset. So i put Aibag by Radiohead back on and made myself happy once again

[lithiumkc]

17 pages... wow, I did a gd job making this one :D controversial title, some nice insults thrown in for good measure, and it sailed close enough to being locked so people visited, but not enough so no one could post.

Anyway, ur music makes me upset. So i put Aibag by Radiohead back on and made myself happy once again

Your troll-fu is weak

4/10.

[the_polite_force]

anyone with half the intelligence of a monkey can type the beatles suck and get the same response as u gh2mwa. these 17 pages have nothing to do with ur "brilliance"

[wwaballafoshosho]

anyone with half the intelligence of a monkey can type the beatles suck and get the same response as u gh2mwa. these 17 pages have nothing to do with ur "brilliance"

i agree 100 %

[Phiromos]

thank you...and to all of you saying im some ass...look whos the one comming into a flaming thread and flaming a good band....they did so much...and i DO listen to all of you...but i dont care what band it is...it has its reasons for exsistance and you cant just dump on them like that...im just defending the honor of a great band

[Phiromos]

and furthermore....if someone comes along and blatantly insults your favorite band...wont you be a little pissed off too... and do everything you can to prove them wrong...even if in the long run you realize that you're comming off sounding stupid....i have nothing against these people....but say i go into an emo forum and just type MCR sucks....wouldn't the emos get mad? yes...exactly

[ConsoleCoWBoY]

and furthermore....if someone comes along and blatantly insults your favorite band...wont you be a little pissed off too... and do everything you can to prove them wrong...even if in the long run you realize that you're comming off sounding stupid....i have nothing against these people....but say i go into an emo forum and just type MCR sucks....wouldn't the emos get mad? yes...exactly

Yes - it's called being a troll... guess who I agree with in this situation? :D

[gh2masterwellalmost]

anyone with half the intelligence of a monkey can type the beatles suck and get the same response as u gh2mwa. these 17 pages have nothing to do with ur "brilliance"

I listen to the Beatles, a chemical signal in my brain tells me I don't like them. You listen to them, you like them and can relate them to bands today. It is merely opinion.

EDIT: I removed a section here which could be incorrectly assumed as offensive. Just incase. I still think you're all... EDIT OF EDIT: removed another section. I'll shut up now.

[Inaudible-Whisper]

Yes, because you clearly opened this thread for a logical debate as to your chemical based opinion. Hence your wonderful second post:


well b4 i was being kind to the Beatles cos I thought id get decimated but...

they suck!

thank you.

Which is pretty much admitting that you really do just want to troll and flame about them, but were too afraid to in your first post. You're like some school kid that's afraid to throw a piece of crumpled paper at the teacher unless his friend does it first. Then after being ridiculed by the non-idiots saying that you only did so because your opinion on what she was teaching is one of distaste.

And you can't just switch the thing around half way through by apologising for the way you shared your opinion when your last post shows that you're clearly gritting your teeth, desperate to troll and flame.

And for the record, Radiohead were directly influenced by the Beatles, particularly on 'Paranoid Android' which they put together influenced by The Beatles song 'Happiness is a Warm Gun'. Just thought I'd mention that after you brought Airbag up for some reason unbeknown to me.

[gh2masterwellalmost]

Yes, because you clearly opened this thread for a logical debate as to your chemical based opinion. Hence your wonderful second post:



Which is pretty much admitting that you really do just want to troll and flame about them, but were too afraid to in your first post. You're like some school kid that's afraid to throw a piece of crumpled paper at the teacher unless his friend does it first. Then after being ridiculed by the non-idiots saying that you only did so because your opinion on what she was teaching is one of distaste.

And you can't just switch the thing around half way through by apologising for the way you shared your opinion when your last post shows that you're clearly gritting your teeth, desperate to troll and flame.

And for the record, Radiohead were directly influenced by the Beatles, particularly on 'Paranoid Android' which they put together influenced by The Beatles song 'Happiness is a Warm Gun'. Just thought I'd mention that after you brought Airbag up for some reason unbeknown to me.

Dude, old thread. Why you still going with this? This was to die, but if you wanna keep it going fine, you can just have an arguement with yourself (thread... unsubscribed)

[Inaudible-Whisper]

I never checked the dates nor had I read the past few posts as I've been away for a few days. Nice attempt at trying to dodge general criticism though without genuinely responding.

[FatWilma]

in the words of hmx sean, wow. seriously, wow. glad i didnt get in the middle of this. lithium and inaudible, u guys made great points throughout and are completely in the right, everyone knows that. this is a pure and simple troll, so remember:
http://home.netcom.com/~jonplus/Please_Do_Not_Feed_The_Troll.jpg

[battle_axe_of_doom]

I listen to the Beatles, a chemical signal in my brain tells me I don't like them. You listen to them, you like them and can relate them to bands today. It is merely opinion.

EDIT: I removed a section here which could be incorrectly assumed as offensive. Just incase. I still think you're all... EDIT OF EDIT: removed another section. I'll shut up now.

well i wasn't insulting you for not liking the beatles i'm just saying that the fact that this thread ballooned into wut it is has absolutely NOTHING to do with you. anyone can take a legendary band or a highly well liked band make a thread saying that they suck and if it isn't locked it'll get the same response. this wasn't a clever thread by you or anyone else who does this sort of thing which is something you apparently claimed it was

[Wachman]

i think this needs to be said.

i certainly dont expect a metalhead to enjoy listening to the rolling stones or the yardbirds, cuz the music they may have grew up with is much more updated, much better produced, much better mixed because the technology is there.

so when they listen to a new album, that kind of quality has to be there. its what they are used to. if its anything less, it sounds bad. and so they might say it sucks.
dont take the word 'suck' so seriously. anyone can toss that around all day just to try to get someone mad and six times out of ten, they'll probably succeed.

no one is going to have a sudden change of opinion to swing your way and agree with you.
so dont even bother trying to explain intricant details to people who naturally wont understand, or even worse who dont want to. its hopeless.

and dont reply to my comment saying i said something that i didnt. and whatever i did not say, doesnt mean i mean it the way you might say or think i do.

just take it as it is. this post has gone on long enough. its time everyone have a good laugh, handshake, swift kick in the balls and call it a day.

[battle_axe_of_doom]

those are all good points but this thread is better off dead man. can someone lock this thread so that no one bumps it again

[Julio-Claudius]

Oh, and for the record, Beatles are underrated. Seriously, I never hear them on the radio anymore.

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

Look, try not to flame me on this. Sure, they were a gd pop band and they introduced this and that, but their music is just not that gd. The media perpetuated the myth that they were incredible, everyone jumps on the bandwagon, and they even do it today. I think they're ok, nothing more nothing less.

Remember this is just my opinion, and im sure ill get surrounded by all you 60s oldies who repeatedly say "IN MY DAY" and complain about decent music, but try not to flame me too hard eh you pensioners?

Music experts, not the media.

Look, the Beatles are not of our generation, so you are entitled not to like it or understand it, but dont talk out of line. I mean, you are not of that generation. You are listening to their music with contemporary, 21st century, ADD and Ipod ears.

[polishdog90]

I like the beatles alot. They are a great band, but they probably arent the style of band that you like. They are sort of pop/rock and that is one reason why they got so famous. They were like nothing anyone had seen before and they wrote catchy tunes. You can not like Michael Jackson, but that doesnt mean hes not a great pop artist. The same can be said with The Beatles. The beatles are not overated, because they wrote great songs that appealed to a wide audience.

[Seanofzedead]

Oh, and for the record, Beatles are underrated. Seriously, I never hear them on the radio anymore.

maybe because the younger audience isn't into the 60-70's rock anymore? I wouldn't say the Beatles are under-rated, perhaps a bit overrated but they are a great band. I don't know what you guys are all saying that they suck...since most of you people love nirvana, they were probably the Nirvana back then.
They have probably influenced half of the rock bands that emerged after Beatles era. Hell..Oasis is pretty much Beatles reincarnated in the 90's.

[Julio-Claudius]

maybe because the younger audience isn't into the 60-70's rock anymore? I wouldn't say the Beatles are under-rated, perhaps a bit overrated but they are a great band. I don't know what you guys are all saying that they suck...since most of you people love nirvana, they were probably the Nirvana back then.
They have probably influenced half of the rock bands that emerged after Beatles era. Hell..Oasis is pretty much Beatles reincarnated in the 90's.
How ****ing dare you compare the Beatles with Nirvana?


The only good thing Kurt Cobain ever released was the safety.

[Seanofzedead]

How ****ing dare you compare the Beatles with Nirvana?

it was just an example. If you really want to know my opinion, I think Nirvana is overrated..but w/e that's another topic :p
What I meant to say was that it was the **** back then.

[BobLoblaw]

How ****ing dare you compare the Beatles with Nirvana? I was more offended by him comparing Oasis to The Beatles. The Beatles reincarnated? LMAO, more like bad Beatles wannabes.

[Seanofzedead]

I was more offended by him comparing Oasis to The Beatles. The Beatles reincarnated? LMAO, more like bad Beatles wannabes.

that's just my biast opinion because they are my favorite band..lol
but what other artist has mimicked the beatles as much as them and succeeded? If they are a bad beatles wannabe, they are the best bad beatles wannabe! :D

[Hoodman]

Fully agree they're overrated.
Here's where I find their strengths:
-Excellent songwriting that appeals to a variety of issues & problems, whether they be drug related, women related, family, personal or just for fun.
-Several catchy songs that were accessible to a lot of people, you could pick up beatles songs after listening to them once.
-Many songs that are top charters
-Entertainers with their look, style and many movements and interaction, they were just fun to watch.

Weaknesses:
-Intstrumental talent-Say what you will but there are several more talented musicians than them, there were more talented men before and have been since. They really don't have outshining styles that make people say Ringo Star owns John Bonham & Neil Peart or George Harrison came plan guitar better than Tom Morello or Eddie VH. Or Paul on his bass is better than Bootsy Collins or Les Claypool.
-Pop sensations-I would definitely say that Beatles music is pop not rock, very seldom do they really give you that rock n roll feeling, more or less they give you that top 40 chart pop feeling, they were the biggest pop of the 60s and practically invented pop rock.
-Rockin out- With exception of maybe Day Tripper(because of its riff) very seldom would I have felt like going crazy at a concert w/ them. I mean when Satisfaction's riff would come I'd go crazy or when the Immigrant Song. or Raining Blood or N.I.B. or Crossroads etc... They just don't feel like rock.
-The Mass Appeal? Certainly everybody loved them but I find it was because it was easy to access, british music that everyone knew & could sing, fun songs but not amazing talent(except songwriting of course). Many times I feel like the Beatles could have rock instead of pop sensations but they are just too mellow for me. I acknowledge their ability and what they did for music I just can't get into them, believe I'ved tried over 40 of their songs and would be able to listen to maybe 3 more than once in a row.

[Inaudible-Whisper]

So they're absolutely amazing songwriters, and are perfectionists at what they do - write pop songs, but because they don't cater for what you like and want, a classic rock song, they're overrated?

You can't say they're instrumentally overrated, because they're not really rated for that in the first place. For you to debunk that "Ringo can't be compared to John Bonham, and Harrison can't be compared to Van Halen" people would have to be comparing them in the first place, but nobody is. They're remembered for their excellent songs, nothing more, and for that you have gave them credit, so I don't see how they can thus be overrated.

And for the record, Harrison is a superb guitarist and they had plenty of rock songs that you could 'rock out' to. If you're going to mention Day Tripper, I don't see how their other earlier hits don't fit into a similar Rock 'n Roll category. If you're up for more prominent rock, try 'Get Back', 'Helter Skelter', 'I Want You (She's so heavy)', 'The End' and 'Revolution'. They've all got a kick to them, but I say if you can't get into the more melodic pop stuff, they're just not for you.

[gh2masterwellalmost]

Fully agree they're overrated.
Here's where I find their strengths:
-Excellent songwriting that appeals to a variety of issues & problems, whether they be drug related, women related, family, personal or just for fun.
-Several catchy songs that were accessible to a lot of people, you could pick up beatles songs after listening to them once.
-Many songs that are top charters
-Entertainers with their look, style and many movements and interaction, they were just fun to watch.

Weaknesses:
-Intstrumental talent-Say what you will but there are several more talented musicians than them, there were more talented men before and have been since. They really don't have outshining styles that make people say Ringo Star owns John Bonham & Neil Peart or George Harrison came plan guitar better than Tom Morello or Eddie VH. Or Paul on his bass is better than Bootsy Collins or Les Claypool.
-Pop sensations-I would definitely say that Beatles music is pop not rock, very seldom do they really give you that rock n roll feeling, more or less they give you that top 40 chart pop feeling, they were the biggest pop of the 60s and practically invented pop rock.
-Rockin out- With exception of maybe Day Tripper(because of its riff) very seldom would I have felt like going crazy at a concert w/ them. I mean when Satisfaction's riff would come I'd go crazy or when the Immigrant Song. or Raining Blood or N.I.B. or Crossroads etc... They just don't feel like rock.
-The Mass Appeal? Certainly everybody loved them but I find it was because it was easy to access, british music that everyone knew & could sing, fun songs but not amazing talent(except songwriting of course). Many times I feel like the Beatles could have rock instead of pop sensations but they are just too mellow for me. I acknowledge their ability and what they did for music I just can't get into them, believe I'ved tried over 40 of their songs and would be able to listen to maybe 3 more than once in a row.

Dude brilliant. You said all I wanted to say and no one is flaming ya unlike me :P I just came in to check this thread (been going a while or what eh?) first time in weeks, good to see there are a few sane out there.

KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!

[Hoodman]

So they're absolutely amazing songwriters, and are perfectionists at what they do - write pop songs, but because they don't cater for what you like and want, a classic rock song, they're overrated?

You can't say they're instrumentally overrated, because they're not really rated for that in the first place. For you to debunk that "Ringo can't be compared to John Bonham, and Harrison can't be compared to Van Halen" people would have to be comparing them in the first place, but nobody is. They're remembered for their excellent songs, nothing more, and for that you have gave them credit, so I don't see how they can thus be overrated.

And for the record, Harrison is a superb guitarist and they had plenty of rock songs that you could 'rock out' to. If you're going to mention Day Tripper, I don't see how their other earlier hits don't fit into a similar Rock 'n Roll category. If you're up for more prominent rock, try 'Get Back', 'Helter Skelter', 'I Want You (She's so heavy)', 'The End' and 'Revolution'. They've all got a kick to them, but I say if you can't get into the more melodic pop stuff, they're just not for you.

I agree with what you're saying. But I mean a lot of people do think they're the best musicians, you say people aren't comparing but I know some people who are. I just often see them at the top of the lists and I honestly don't think that many people, at least today can get into them.

Now of course young people of today listen to a lot of trash, but certain people who try new styles of music that are old often don't sync with beatles. My dad, a man who lived through 60s and 70s, did not get into them at all really nor did he get into Black Sabbath, but he's a fan of LZ, Pink Floyd, and The Who.

All I'm saying is I get a lot of people in my face about how they're number one just because their songs are very appealing to them. I'm down except for me that's not all it takes to be great.

I'll be honest I think for their legacy they're top 20 possibly top 10 material. But for their musical awe they don't grab, they werent the biggest innovators nor the most musically talented. I look at these things and truth be told it's synching with the music. Some people don't sync with LZ, some people don't sync with Jazz, some people somehow sync with today's hip-pop instead of old school meaningful hip-hop; for me it's the Beatles.

[Inaudible-Whisper]

Dude brilliant. You said all I wanted to say and no one is flaming ya unlike me :P I just came in to check this thread (been going a while or what eh?) first time in weeks, good to see there are a few sane out there.

KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!

People aren't flaming him because he's treating our opinions with respect, and his opinions are well informed and are not, as is in your case, trolling. And I don't think he did say what you wanted to say, because he didn't once say "THE BEATLES SUCK!!!!1". I find it funny that you 'left' this thread. It is obvious to me that you simply read the replies, using your 'I've left' as an excuse not to reply as you simply don't know how to refute our arguments and now that somebody has came in with a solid argument against, something you could never form, you jump right in.

As for Hoodman, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. I guess they're just not for you :)

[thorn_9]

I don't groove to much Beatles, but to say they are overrated is to ignore history. Go look at the 60's again. Between Elvis & The Beatles they made the future of music as we know it possible.

[newwaytodie]

I just made it a point to get all of thier studio albums. I had a somewhat negative perspective on them similar to Hoodman (I considered them to be the epitome of pop-rock) But thier later stuff is just pretty amazing. Considering that they were released in the 60's the musicianship is quite original and the composition is fantasitc. It just furthers my point of view that they were some of the most talented song writers ever, if not the best at thier instruments. And thats basically what it takes to be a successful rock band. So no, they are not over-rated, they are extremely popular because they knew how to write songs that people would love. Even kids today are listening to The Beatles! If thats not true talent I dont know what is.

[battle_axe_of_doom]

i still don't know why they are still primarily known as a pop-rock band when ever since rubber soul they were pretty original and pretty much strayed from their earlier days.

[polishdog90]

Just because you do not like the Beatles, does not mean they are overrated.

They were amazing at what they did and that makes them not overrated at all.

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

Some people here seem to not like them cuz they cant relate to the songs.

Emos.....

By the way, theres a movie coming out that all the music in it are Beatles songs. I take it its like Beatles music manifested in film...or something.

[gh2masterwellalmost]

Certainly not an emo meself. (looks at long hair... looks at converse) OH WHAT HAVE I BECOME?!?!?!

haha

Meh, this was so long ago I forgot the stupidity of it. I still don't like the Beatles, I take your opinions onboard, and delightfully turn em down.

I left the thread a long time ago cos it was flooded with trollers and flamers who decided to call me either or both of the above. I kinda got sick of it - so I moved on. And I think you should do the same. If my thread was that bad, you should not still be posting for 20 pages (I know yourself inaudible whisper have been posting in this since day one), or answering to a thread I know today was silly.

There are a few examples of dealing with criticism of the Beatles well; some said "everyone is entitled to their opinions", others said "omg troll3rz get off teh forum beatles are pwn3d u". I preferred to the former. I understood I started to the fuel, but comments like I got in here just threw an aerosol on the fire.

But, nice to know people are willing to post so strongly. I still disagree that they influenced everything - I think they influnenced certain niches in the genre rock - Oasis are a blatant Beatles rip-off for example - but I refuse to accept they were the most important in the world or that their music was any good, and I stress the following acronym, IMHO.

Thanks for the feedback, nice to see it still going, I have admitted I was silly to be so naive over the band, and I apologise for that, but I still feel how the majority treated me was unfair, like in every other post I do, it was pure flaming. But hey, water under the bridge. Most of the more senior members on the forum I have a good relationship with, and I'd like the same to be said for the rest of you.

Kind regards,

you know me by know :D

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

I havent been following much of it, but to be honest, not just here, but I think everywhere (I mean everywhere, not just the internet) you are going to get into a heated debate saying the Beatles are overrated. If you dont have solid opinions backing you up...people can and will chew you up over it.

[Gilmour]

Beatles rule!

I like the Beatles starting with Rubber Soul for the most part. Before that the songs were mostly too similar. Of course, I can't really listen to Come As You Are and then listen to Nowhere Man; there are differences.

As for talent, (1) Paul McCartney on vocals (2) Ringo on drums (3) John Lennon on vocals (4) Paul McCartney on bass (5) George Harrison on guitar.

Right now everyone go listen to "Tomorrow Never Knows" and tell me what you think. In fact, go listen to the whole Revolver album.

[Hoodman]

Some people here seem to not like them cuz they cant relate to the songs.

Emos.....

By the way, theres a movie coming out that all the music in it are Beatles songs. I take it its like Beatles music manifested in film...or something.

I'm not emo, but still.

On another note lol a grip of my friends just went to see that movie it's called Across the Universe. I stayed behind. I gues in a sense a popular band can't necessarily be overrated. But for my perspective they are, just like the Who(whom I think have 3 amazingly talented musicians but I cannot vibe w/ nearly any of their songs).

60s music has a lot to it, I think Beatles kicked "rock" into the mainstream while Elvis showed that white people could do the blues.
But if you're asking for innovations look at Entwistle making the bass a lead instrument, Hendrix with distortion, Townshend destroying instruments, Larry Graham slap bass, Chuck Berry who IMO is the king of rock n roll he made into that highly entertaining, guitar riff riding, and feeling the rock vibe that equates rock.

My mistake if the Beatles did have some crazy innovations I didn't notice. I research a lot of different bands but I dont go as far into research w/ bands I don't like, like I kno about the Beatles but not as much as I kno about LZ or Pink Floyd.

[smokeverbs]

No flame intended, but the Beatles are definately NOT overrated, sorry. If some folks don't care for their music that's one thing, but you can't deny that the stuff from the Second Half of their career are classics that not only influenced damn near everyone that followed in one way or another but were/are miles ahead of their time in terms of production technique. Sgt. Pepper was done on what, 4 track? 8 track at most, depending on how you count "bouncing"...

[WiredRacing]

Lets not forget Hendrix playing a Sgt. Pepper's cover just days after it's release. That's immediate respect.

[lithiumkc]

you revived the infamous beatles thread... FOR SHAME

[Nilsen31]

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@ this thread.


Stupid punk kid...


No band in the world has the library the Beatles and their member's solo ventures have.

No band has the radio play they have today...30-40 years after they wrote some of them.

[WiredRacing]

Uh oh. Is there some kind of ritual I can perform to ward off the effects?

[MundaneSoul]

The Beatles were absolutely incredible, man. No flames here, but we'll definitely have to agree to disagree. Those guys were responsible for more of what we listen to today than we'll ever know. Hell, go back and listen to Helter Skelter, dude. You know what that is? That's metal in its infancy my friend.

[Mournblade77]

Uh oh. Is there some kind of ritual I can perform to ward off the effects?
Dust off and nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.

[jq71586]

Dust off and nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.


Awesome reference. :D

[Intellectualdiot]

Well, sure they are. But I can't possibly see how this could be a slight against them. They were still quite the brilliant group of musicians, and they combined to create some of the most compelling music of the 20th century. It's a shame that the people of their generation tend to fawn over them so breathlessly, but it would be even more of a shame if my generation, this generation of considerable skepticism, would ignore them because of it. There's something powerful to be heard here, I believe.

[jimmymadstdnt]

Is this moron out of his mind.

Everything in Rock stems from the Beatles, especially their album "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band." This is undeniably the greatest album ever made according to anyone who knows and understands music. Every single album/song in rock today traces its roots back to that album, none are not influenced by it in any rock genre today. One example, it was the first concept album.

Most importantly, the Beatles started the trend of rock bands being artists who write their own songs and not rock just being a product made according to a formula just to make money. The started rock music as an art and because of them we have rock as we know it today.

You don't have to like to listen to their music, but if you pick up a copy of Revolver or Sgt. Pepper's or Abbey Road, you will see that is undeniably great music.

First they were a pop group that was just famous, but they changed all of music when they branched away and formed the "artists" of rock that we have today.

P.S. for the ignorant "artists" does not include crappy pop bands like Fall Out Boy.

[DACster]

yeh they suck

[jimmymadstdnt]

Clearly you know nothing about music.

[A Lumbee Indian]

I am in my 20s. I have heard a few of the Beatles' songs and what I heard I liked. They helped paved the way for music today.

[DACster]

Ha ha, it's so funny to troll you guys, you take things too serious...

Beatles is one of the best bands ever, I have all their stuff and I can say: they're great

Sgt. Pepper's is the best album. EVER.

[DoctorWho]

YES they are in fact overrated. They did WONDERS and STARTED the concept of the album, but you're right.

The Beatles are not quite as boring as Paul McCartney's solo career. YAWN........... I cringe when I hear any of his songs.

And to QUOTE Pete Townsend (guitarist from the Who) during the Beatles' hayday in the 60's:

Interviewer: "dont you think groups like the Beatles have any sort of musical quality?"

Pete: "Just the other day John (bassist) and I were listening to a Stereo where the vocals come out of one side and the backing track out of the other. And if you sit and listen to the backing tracks of the Beatles they're flippin' lousy!"

Don't ever forget, they were the ORIGINAL Boy Band!

[AcousticCitsuoa]

George was a great guitar player and musician. His solo career was great. Frank Sinatra is quoted as saying his favorite Lennon/McCartney song is "Something" (which was written by George and is a slight at John/Paul). Harrison garnered the most respect in the music community after the breakup (see the Concert for Bangladesh) and was revered by fellow guitarists.

John and Paul were amazing musicians. They could play almost any instrument you put in front of them!

I'm 26 (so obviously not an old-timer reliving the glory days) and can say that if we had more bands making music like the Beatles did in the 60s then rap, bubblegum pup, sappy country and the other maintstream crap on the radio would be WAY less popular.

[DACster]

they suk bad

[TheKT]

Lithiumkc you are my hero, from the turn table discusion to this. I don't like to agree with the obviously more intelegent people, as I like to debate, but I can't find any point on which I disagree with you. The Beatles were the most influencial band of all time, if you don't belive me go to you favorite bands myspace page or website, and look at who there influence was, 4 out of 5 times it will be the beatles garenteed. Oh and I'm 23, so you can't blame my liking the beatles on old age; blame it on good taste.:cool:

[Manda]

I've never been a fan of the Beatles. I like maybe one or two songs at most, but that's it. To say they're overrated, I can't tell. I don't personally know anyone who even mentions them much less gives their opinion on their taste for them, so I would automatically think yes, they are overrated. But saying that has no real backing to it, just minor knowledge of the band and its music.

[Unknown42]

I used to like the Beatles, but then I found this AMAZING STUFF, called rock. The Beatles are pop, not rock. They did not influence Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Thin Lizzy, or any other of the great rock bands. Look who was around the same time as the Beatles, THE WHO, they influenced all the rock bands, not the Beatles. The Who is one of the best bands of all time, they are underrated if anything. The Beatles were liked because they came over here FIRST, not because they are the best. They are also way over advertised just like Pink Floyd and AC/DC, which are two more bands that are, yea... over-rated.

[peck]

you must be like under 20. try to actually listen to the music.they have so many great hits.

[osirisbunnyfoofoo]

While I'll admit The Beatles aren't amazing today, think about sixty years ago. Paul McCartney pretty much turned the bass from a rhythm instrument to one that's as important as lead guitar. They were one of the first rock bands and came before people like Led Zeppelin and AC/DC. Besides, they have some songs that I really like today, like Strawberry Fields Forever and With A Little Help From My Friends.

[jimmymadstdnt]

Hate to repeat myself but, bud, you make no sense, they were a pop band at first, but if it had not been for them and the clout that they had after being such a successful pop group, they would never have been able to become artists. If it had not been for them music would still be ruled by the producers and not the artists as is still the case with pop today. Because of them the artists were able to have the control over their own records, and no other band was popular enough to do that, and none would have been able to.

Oh and by the way, do some listening, pick up Sgt. Pepper's or Revolver or Abbey Road and you would realize that they are most certainly not just pop, They invented rock, guitars with distortion, and many other aspects that define rock and roll were invented by the Beatles. THEY INVENTED THE SOUND OF ROCK, PERIOD. If you knew anything about music and its structure and composition you would clearly be able to see that. Now see below before you make a moronic, clearly untrue statement like that. Check your facts first.

"Is this moron out of his mind.

Everything in Rock stems from the Beatles, especially their album "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band." This is undeniably the greatest album ever made according to anyone who knows and understands music. Every single album/song in rock today traces its roots back to that album, none are not influenced by it in any rock genre today. One example, it was the first concept album.

Most importantly, the Beatles started the trend of rock bands being artists who write their own songs and not rock just being a product made according to a formula just to make money. The started rock music as an art and because of them we have rock as we know it today.

You don't have to like to listen to their music, but if you pick up a copy of Revolver or Sgt. Pepper's or Abbey Road, you will see that is undeniably great music.

First they were a pop group that was just famous, but they changed all of music when they branched away and formed the "artists" of rock that we have today."

[mind_in_rewind]

The people who don't like the beatles have never heard the White Album or Revolver.

[jimmymadstdnt]

The above was to unknown and any other ignorant morons that have no idea what they are talking about.

[Unknown42]

The above was to unknown and any other ignorant morons that have no idea what they are talking about.

Just my opinion, no offense to anyone. I am not saying they are bad, just over-rated.

[polishdog90]

Just my opinion, no offense to anyone. I am not saying they are bad, just over-rated.

Im sorry to inform you that your opinion sucks :D.

[battle_axe_of_doom]

opinion or not its ****ing ******ed to say that the beatles didn't influence anyone especially when ****ing david gilmour comes out and says "yeah the beatles influence me a whole lot" and i'm pretty sure he's "real rock" like how you would describe it :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

i swear humanity has become a cesspool of morons

wow they censor the word re<override>tarded now??

[thebeatles_rock]

Guys, the beatles are my one of my favorite bands. I do agree with some of you on that they really dont make rock stadards. But they topped the charts in everthing! they really proved their rock stardom. i mean, they cant totally rock out but for their kind of music, its good and very interesting! i think its a kindov rock that deserves to be in ROCKBAND!

[BobLoblaw]

They invented guitars with distortion Um, no they didn't. :confused:

[Wangsandsuch]

The Beatles are the highest level of epic since Chuck Norris.

[Rev0lver]

opinion or not its ****ing ******ed to say that the beatles didn't influence anyone especially when ****ing david gilmour comes out and says "yeah the beatles influence me a whole lot" and i'm pretty sure he's "real rock" like how you would describe it :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


not many people were really saying that...

i don't like the beatles and think they are overrated, but of course i agree that they were influential.

[Eastwood]

Wow, who dug up this old fossil of a thread?

[gablemancer]

Best. Band. Ever. Period.

[battle_axe_of_doom]

not many people were really saying that...

i don't like the beatles and think they are overrated, but of course i agree that they were influential.

actually i think some moron was saying "BEATLES ARE POP THEY DIDN'T INFLUENCE LE ZEPPELIN REAL ROCKS"

[polishdog90]

They ARE NOT!

[Tagsrover]

The Beatles are the highest level of epic since Chuck Norris.

Exactly, you proved the origional point. Chuck Norris could get his ass kicked by hundreds off people, but since someone made a funny chuck norris joke, he's like the "greatest thing ever." ie, overrated just like the beatles

[Tagsrover]

Oh, and the beatles are overrated, just in case i wasn't clear.

[Wangsandsuch]

Well its a good thing they're British then.

[Vengeance]

I hate the Beatles they might have one good song but they still suck . my friend said that if you hate the beatles then you must hate all music. i disagree with him on that one

[starkukraine]

George Harrison was a gift to mankind. Ringo Starr is funny...
Lennon was too ambitious
MCcartney just sucked.

[rgaino]

Well Mr " gh2masterwellalmost", would be so kind to tell us what band you consider great and the best of all time forever and ever, so we can understand your point better?

[Black_Heaven]

I've never cared for the Beatles and never will. I personally don't see what is so great about their music.

One argument I can't stand hearing people use is "well look at how many albums they made." Big F'ing deal, quantity does not equal quality.

[Vengeance]

I've never cared for the Beatles and never will. I personally don't see what is so great about their music.

One argument I can't stand hearing people use is "well look at how many albums they made." Big F'ing deal, quantity does not equal quality.

I agree with you on that one.

[Wangsandsuch]

What exactly makes a band live up to its reputation? Innovation? Infleunce? Popularity? You guys say So and So is so overrated but you never really define what would make a band live up to the name its made for itself.

[Incoment Troll]

Chuck NORIS RUKES!