Christian Rock/Metal/Punk Rock Petition

[Jesus-Freak1994]

There is no Christian Rock Metal, or Punk in this game. So, this is a petition to get some in there. The way this is going to work, is you're going to post your Gamertag, or PlayStation username, the name of the band of the song you want to see, and then the song. Just use my next post as an example, as I'll be the first to sign. You can sign more than once, with a different song every time.

[Jesus-Freak1994]

Xbox LIVE Gamertag-X Bibleman X

Song wanted in game-Jesus Freak by dc Talk.

[jayxftw]

I'd say yes to Underoath, but thats it.

[mando86]

Bumper sticker on my car:

If you're NOT OF THIS WORLD,
Please go back to your home planet

[strtfghtr]

....instead of more Christian metal/rock/punk how about we get more regular metal/rock/punk...and if it happens to be Christian, whoopdy-doo.

Keep your religion out of my video games

[Jesus-Freak1994]

Come on man...Lets get some people. For real.

The Art Of Breaking-Thousand Foot Krutch

[iamtheddrman]

Gamertag - iamtheddrman

Whispers in the Dark - Skillet

[Stewie]

Some Creed (What If, One, My Own Prison) (Christian Rock), Project 86 (The Spy Hunter, My Will Be A Dead Man) ( (Christian Rock) Green Day (Anything especially Basket Case, Brainstew, Jesus of Suburbia (Punk Rock/Alternative) would be cool.

[stevedyndiuk06]

yes totally agree any creed from the first two albums, i just started listening to project 86 they are awesome.
gamertag: stevedyndiuk06

[Tralfamador]

PSN User: Tralfamador

Relient K - I Need You

[Rockbandfan23467]

"There is no Christian Rock Metal, or Punk in this game."
FLYLEAF!!!!!! IN THE BONUS SECTION!!!!!!!

[SenRaq]

Skillet
Red
Disciple
Flyleaf
P.O.D
Relient K

GamerTag: SkilletforRockBand ;)

[BhindBluEyes430]

We already have metal, rock and punk in the game sry no christ in that
And thank Allah, god, fish spagettie, budahh for that

How about we get some Rastapharian music in rock band.
i Have no relegion so i realy don't want to be playing a song about prasing a magical flying spagettie monster or God

Seriously keep your relegion out of this. nobody cares and it dosent belong in rock

[Nappymonster]

There should be awesome Christian songs on Rockband These songs are awesome songs that you can have fun playing on Rockband. This Keep Religion out of the Game. LISTEN you don't have to download the songs off the internet, just like if some Christians don't want to download a song that they don't like they don't have to. IT IS THE CHOICE. These songs are awesome songs if you don't believe me just listen. Im in this to get Christian songs on Rockband.
Skillet- Savior, Rebirthing, Whispers In The Dark, Comatose, Riping Me Off, Cycle Down, Energy.
Family Force 5- Love addict, Earthquake, Supersonic.
Kutless- Tonight, Pride Away, Let You In, Treason.
Thousand Foot Krutch- Rawk Fist, Unbelieveable, Ordinary, Puppet, Phenomenon, Move, Hit the floor.
Project 86- Open Hand, Hollow Again, Truthless Heros, Set Me Up, Little green men,
Demon Hunter- Thorns, Storm the gates of Hell, sixteen, Fading away, Follow the Wolves.
War Of Ages- Guide for the Helpless, Strength Within, Stand Your Ground, Battle On, Brothers In Arms.
Relient K- Pressing on, High Of 75, Be my escape.
Disciple- Game On, Scars Remain, The Wait is Over, Rise Up, By God, Regime Change, Someone
Pillar- Frontline, Bring me Down, Fire Proof, Indivisable, Hindsight, Crossfire, Original Superman.
The Showdown- Carry On my wayward son, Six feet under, Temptation come my way.
Super Chick- We live, Hero.
Hawk Nelson- The Show, Bring em out, Like a Racecar.
Day Of Fire- To Fly, Reap and Sow, I am the Door, Cut and Move

[Jesus-Freak1994]

Look, this isn't really about religion. It's about getting songs that we like available for download. So instead of flaming us and trashing us, why don't you just not download it if they do make some.

[Joatmon]

....instead of more Christian metal/rock/punk how about we get more regular metal/rock/punk...and if it happens to be Christian, whoopdy-doo.

Keep your religion out of my video games

Keep your intolerance out of our thread.

[Joatmon]

PSN q445187

Whispers in the Dark - Skillet

[Joatmon]

PSN Q445187

Reliant K

Hawk Nelson

Stellar Kart

Day Of Fire

[Andyx1337]

I rarely see someone with a good reason to say "I don't want christian music" and if they do have a reason, it's because they don't like religion in general.

*Signs for christian music in Rock Band*
Gotta stay together, no?

[Joatmon]

PSN Q445187

Skillet- Savior, Rebirthing, Whispers In The Dark, Comatose, Riping Me Off, Cycle Down, Energy.
Family Force 5- Love addict, Earthquake, Supersonic.
Kutless- Tonight, Pride Away, Let You In, Treason.
Thousand Foot Krutch- Rawk Fist, Unbelieveable, Ordinary, Puppet, Phenomenon, Move, Hit the floor.
Project 86- Open Hand, Hollow Again, Truthless Heros, Set Me Up, Little green men,
Demon Hunter- Thorns, Storm the gates of Hell, sixteen, Fading away, Follow the Wolves.
War Of Ages- Guide for the Helpless, Strength Within, Stand Your Ground, Battle On, Brothers In Arms.
Relient K- Pressing on, High Of 75, Be my escape.
Disciple- Game On, Scars Remain, The Wait is Over, Rise Up, By God, Regime Change, Someone
Pillar- Frontline, Bring me Down, Fire Proof, Indivisable, Hindsight, Crossfire, Original Superman.
The Showdown- Carry On my wayward son, Six feet under, Temptation come my way.
Super Chick- We live, Hero.
Hawk Nelson- The Show, Bring em out, Like a Racecar.
Day Of Fire- To Fly, Reap and Sow, I am the Door, Cut and Move

If any of you supposed "athiests" actually listened to any of these you would probably catch fire, oops, I mean really like them, why do you even come into this thread to spread your hate? Are you looking for something that you are lacking?

If you don't want to listen/play/download them, don't. Why waste your energy this way?

[JorynnRace]

Man, most "Christian" bands don't put overtly Christian lyrics in their music. Look at the entire band list of Tooth and Nail and Solid State Records. (Yes, there are obviously exceptions to that.. dur..)

Most of the music is just positive lyrically. If anyone has a problem with listening to positive music every now and then, you don't need religion... you need a hug.

Anyways. I DO support adding Christian artists, whether they have overtly Christian lyrics or not.

Xbox Live Gamertag - JorynnRace

The Almost - Say This Sooner
Underoath - It's Dangerous Buisness...
Emery - Walls

[Sayburr]

The only Christian rock band I have ever really enjoyed was Audio Adrenaline. They made some wonderful music, and could have made it as a secular band if they had chosen that path. Most of the bands listed could not have done the same, and if not for your faith and the message they proclaim I doubt most of them would have ever been noticed.

I would love these songs:

Don't Censor Me
Secret
Some Kind of Zombie
Chevette

[jacintos]

PS3- jacintos

I could go for some Relient K like...

Maintain Consciousness
Be My Escape
Forward Motion

[Ryder77]

P.O.D.-Youth of the Nation, Boom
Creed
3 Days Grace-Never too late?
Switchfoot-Meant to live?

I don't really know what bands are Christian I just listen to what appeals to me.

[Jesus-Freak1994]

Thank you for making this thread no more flaming. Now that we're back in business....

Game On-Disciple

Scream-Jonah 33

Learn To Breathe-Thousand Foot Krutch.

[BhindBluEyes430]

Keep your intolerance out of our thread.

Keep your ignorance off our internets. And stop filling these fourms with this crap. its not good music for rock band First off. And nobody would want to play it. unless you have a pack with a jewish song a athiest song and a christian song your being completely objective. Its annoying enough to have to sing Jesus in "When you were young"

[jbrocker56]

PSN name theweapon56

Songs I want in the game are as follow

P.O.D song When Angels & Serpents dance

Pillar song For The Love Of The Game

P.O.D. myspace http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=13635514

Pillar myspace http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=2648534

[jbrocker56]

Keep your ignorance off our internets. And stop filling these fourms with this crap. its not good music for rock band First off. And nobody would want to play it. unless you have a pack with a jewish song a athiest song and a christian song your being completely objective. Its annoying enough to have to sing Jesus in "When you were young"

Why do you have to get so mad if we have these songs in rock band do you think we like playing songs like number of the beast I don`t mind it but some do why not just be happy with what you got you don`t have to download these songs that we as christians want in this game:p

[funkymonkeyjusti]

Switchfoot!!!! Meant to Live

[Jesus-Freak1994]

Look, It's downloadable content...You aren't obligated to download it.

[omaplata]

"Let us Sing to God" by Benny Hinn

[Jesus-Freak1994]

I Wanna Live-Stellar Kart

[jbrocker56]

"Let us Sing to God" by Benny Hinn

thats not rock music sorry to tell you that

[jbrocker56]

Look, It's downloadable content...You aren't obligated to download it.

thats what ive been saying but some people just get so offended by the idea of Christian music in this game its sad really

[jbrocker56]

let me make something clear some think Creed is Christian band but their not just wanted to let you all know that

[Jesus-Freak1994]

Yeah...People are bitter about that for some reason.

[Ardius]

thats what ive been saying but some people just get so offended by the idea of Christian music in this game its sad really

Erm, its pretty easy to see why.

Why does a distinction have to be made? Why does the music have to be "christian"?

I dont really care if its christian or not, as long as its good music, and I do not think bands should be picked for dlc just because of their religous beliefs or lyrics. This is about music, not religion, and it should not change.

Is this not just another way of forcing your beliefs on other people? I mean, why is it that such a big deal is made about the bands singing about christian themes? The whole "christian" suffix is enough to give the idea of something different about the music (either positive or negative) and I dont this should be.

A big, fat no from me. Religion is a menace to society as it is. Dont bring it into the video games industry.

[Jesus-Freak1994]

It's not like we're trying to do it because we want you people to see the light or whatever...We're doing it so that we get music we like in the game.

[Ardius]

It's not like we're trying to do it because we want you people to see the light or whatever...We're doing it so that we get music we like in the game.

Well, thats all well and good, and I have no problem with that. But a big thread title proclaiming christian music for the game? I think its a bit too far.
Why not just ask for the bands normally? Also, I just wanted to point out why people may be offended by the idea of christian bands.

[Burn1nMyLight]

PSN Q445187

If any of you supposed "athiests" actually listened to any of these you would probably catch fire, oops, I mean really like them, why do you even come into this thread to spread your hate? Are you looking for something that you are lacking?

If you don't want to listen/play/download them, don't. Why waste your energy this way?

Jerk. Catch fire? Sorry, some of us don't believe in that nonsense and don't want it included in our games. YES, there are some "Christian" bands, like POD and Flyleaf, that aren't overtly so. Those are fine, because they're good bands with good songs on their own merit. But the preachy garbage that would only be included in the game to sate some people's deep-seeded need for spiritual masturbation at the expense of every other sane person's play experience can stay out. It's about tolerance, something most Christians have forgotten about anyway. So I forgive you, it's what Jesus would want me to do.

[omaplata]

thats not rock music sorry to tell you that


Really?! Man, you catch on fast.

[TheCrimsonSaint]

Band: Pillar. Album: The Reckoning. Yes, the entire album. Not only does Pillar just kick all ass, but MTV probably is more likely to pick up Pillar (and Skillet, actually) than most other bands because Pillar (and Skillet) is nominated for a Grammy. Pillar is probably the most talented Christian band to come out in the past couple of decades (except for dc Talk, of course). Also, side note: "Number of the Beast" is not a Satan supporting song, it's a song that (according to Steve Harris, who wrote it) is based on a recurring dream that he had as a child after first reading the book of Revelations. So more than anything, it's religious in the good sense. Edit: I guess I need a signature. TheCrimsonSaint, Xbox 360 owner and aspiring bassist. Chalk one up for Jesus.

[viru30]

http://www.toadking.com/6x9=42/fail.jpg
Not to be totally blatent, but if you don't like it, don't buy it. Just because you don't realise the truth doesn't mean you can take it out on all of us who do believe.

And what exactly do you mean by the "truth"?

Seriously, most Christian music are just clever disguises under false labeling, and overall, really IS discrimination. I'm Hindu. And I'm in a experimental/garage rock band with other Hindus. Does that mean we're a Hindu Experimental Rock band? I really don't think so.

Keep your crummy false labeled bands out of my game. It's what's holding us from the real stuff like The Doors and Steppenwolf.

[TheCrimsonSaint]

How is proclaiming our faith discrimination? If you started writing songs about your Hindu faith, more power to you, because like me, you probably don't have an ounce of doubt that your faith is 100% true. I'll refer to my faith as the truth because I damn well believe that it is. As for "false-labeled" bands, maybe if you listened to Pillar, Skillet, some band like them, you would realise that, God forbid, Christian music is just that: music.

[TheCrimsonSaint]

Another side note: why do all of those who aren't Christians even bother coming into a thread headlined "Christian Rock/Metal/Punk Rock Petition"? Can't you all just mind your own business? It's obvious that you don't want us preaching to you. So why waste your time preaching to us when you have to do it in an offensive manner? Trust me, none of ya'll are making Atheism any more attractive.

[drizzt9922]

Come on, don't get harmonix to waste their time on christian stuff. Theres so much better regular rock/metal/punk.

I've found that any band that is labeled as religious in anyway is almsot always of lesser quality than abnd labeled of a normal genre.

[BhindBluEyes430]

Another side note: why do all of those who aren't Christians even bother coming into a thread headlined "Christian Rock/Metal/Punk Rock Petition"? Can't you all just mind your own business? It's obvious that you don't want us preaching to you. So why waste your time preaching to us when you have to do it in an offensive manner? Trust me, none of ya'll are making Atheism any more attractive.

Because its annoying there should be only one Thread on it yet i see a new one every day USE THE SEARCH BUTTON. Second I go with the other guy although i hate all those bands dont lable them you might not get yelled at. Third I wanna stop you preacy *******s because you are destroying my country and now my internets. Religion All religion taints whatever it touches. (Like many pirests) Havent you realised most people dont belive what you do and seeing fourm after fourm gets annoying. You people just push your believes on us. You all think your better than everyone else and its annoying

[Burn1nMyLight]

Another side note: why do all of those who aren't Christians even bother coming into a thread headlined "Christian Rock/Metal/Punk Rock Petition"? Can't you all just mind your own business? It's obvious that you don't want us preaching to you. So why waste your time preaching to us when you have to do it in an offensive manner? Trust me, none of ya'll are making Atheism any more attractive.

How about, because every second Harmonix spends putting bad Christian bands into their game is a second less time they can devote to GOOD music. Whoever the hell Skillet is can stay in the kitchen, give us some more good rock.

Seriously, someone argue the merits of (random christian band) compared to adding songs from people like Pearl Jam or Breaking Benjamin. You can't, and yet you want those random bands to be added anyway. Why? If it isn't based on actual skill or popularity, then it's obviously religious. Something that has no place in this videogame, or any argument.

[Murderous_Urges]

First, so you people don't get all pissy on me, I'm christian too. But I'm sick to my stomach acids of all the damned christian threads. You may like the music and all that to your cup of tea. But it appears the majority of people on these forums think its crappy **** like me.
Secondly christian metal WTF!? I could just imagine a christian death metal band. (oh god its horrible)

[omaplata]

Why do Christians get their tighty whities in a bunch when their religion is made fun of? Don't you have 2 billion other Christians to pat you on your back and tell you "it's OK" when you receive an internet insult? That's like when white folks get offended when they're called honkies or crackers, doesn't make sense to me.

[Thallis]

Why do you have to get so mad if we have these songs in rock band do you think we like playing songs like number of the beast I don`t mind it but some do why not just be happy with what you got you don`t have to download these songs that we as christians want in this game:p

Okay, first of all, Maiden is not satanic, if any of you would listen to some of their songs other than NotB you'd know that. Second of all, everyday there's a new one of these threads, and everyday it turns into a flamewar. Seriously, most people don't want to have Christian Rock in the game. Why can't you all realize that?

[Quinarvy]

Before My Sharona was announced, how many people did you see go "We want Jewish DLC including My Sharona by Jewish Rock Group The Knack"

None, they requested the band or the song, not the freakin' religion.

You release Christian Rock, you have to release Islamic Rock, Jewish Rock, Bhuddist Rock, Hindu Rock, etc.

This petition is worse then all the previous threads, even the ones that spread to the Phase forums, because it's a freakin' petition.

[Rokkstar]

... I warned yall ...

[Jesus-Freak1994]

Because its annoying there should be only one Thread on it yet i see a new one every day USE THE SEARCH BUTTON. Second I go with the other guy although i hate all those bands dont lable them you might not get yelled at. Third I wanna stop you preacy *******s because you are destroying my country and now my internets. Religion All religion taints whatever it touches. (Like many pirests) Havent you realised most people dont belive what you do and seeing fourm after fourm gets annoying. You people just push your believes on us. You all think your better than everyone else and its annoying



You know what? I'm sick of you putting us down and insulting us for no reason. It's not like we're saying, "Oh, he's an atheist, he's a stupid Jackass." I respect your beliefs though I may not agree with them, and I ask for the same respect. And, another thing...Destroying your country, huh? I don't know where you live, but if you're talking about America, we were BUILT on this religion, though many of you may have forgotten that. And if you're from the UK, then I don't know what to tell you...Maybe you should go worship the Pope.

[OSUjen]

And now I'm demanding Flying Spaghetti Monster rock!! I don't mean to preach, but.... I just believe in the Spaghetti Monster. I respect those who don't.

[Burn1nMyLight]

You know what? I'm sick of you putting us down and insulting us for no reason. It's not like we're saying, "Oh, he's an atheist, he's a stupid Jackass." I respect your beliefs though I may not agree with them, and I ask for the same respect. And, another thing...Destroying your country, huh? I don't know where you live, but if you're talking about America, we were BUILT on this religion, though many of you may have forgotten that. And if you're from the UK, then I don't know what to tell you...Maybe you should go worship the Pope.

The founding fathers were DEISTS, not Christians. Learn some history.
And nobody has to respect your beliefs, I don't know where you came up with that; if they're stupid and unfounded, you'll get called on it by all the sane, rational people here. If you believed that dog poo tasted like rainbow sherbert, would I have to respect that too? No. So take that weaksauce, as well as your request for religious propaganda, and get out of here. Go read a history book, you need it.

[mando86]

but if you're talking about America, we were BUILT on this religion, though many of you may have forgotten that. And if you're from the UK, then I don't know what to tell you...Maybe you should go worship the Pope.

Oh no he didn't... SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. SEPARATION.

Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814

This thread is getting locked any minute now...

[jbrocker56]

Okay, first of all, Maiden is not satanic, if any of you would listen to some of their songs other than NotB you'd know that. Second of all, everyday there's a new one of these threads, and everyday it turns into a flamewar. Seriously, most people don't want to have Christian Rock in the game. Why can't you all realize that?

First of I like number of the beast i`m just saying some christians might not

[Sayburr]

Wow, this thread turned from a request thread to a bunch of whinny crap about beliefs. You have the right to believe what you want, why do people have to force their own beliefs on others... So, you don't believe in a higher power, why do you have to force your non-belief on others and cause trouble? I always find it amazing that the same people who accuse others of being intolerant are so intolerant themselves. This was supposed to be a thread about music and it has turned into a us against them thread. If you don’t want to discuss music, don’t f*cking post!

[jbrocker56]

ya it feels like this thread has gone to hell why can`t we all just get what we want so what if we want a band with a christian messege nobody says anything bad about bestie boys in this game being butist

[cdoe001]

hey last night they had a head to head of monkey of corn's new band vs. a chevelle single... both ain't horrible and listening to them didn't make me love god anymore... Strange that Zep and the beatles do that but anyway... Just saying not the worst music I have heard...

[Neo_337]

haha, some people are so blinded by their own ego, they don't understand they are turning into what they "hate". I am not going to argue b/c it is like shouting at a brink wall, nothing is going to happen, but I do want to talk about some songs I would like...

any Relient K
any Switchfoot
any dc Talk

[Methshin117]

Dimmu Borgir - Tormentor of Christian Souls.
Dimmu Borgir - The Serpentine offering
Dimmu Borgir - Puritania

Yeah Satan!

I recommend you keep religion out of the game, you want christian songs and I want songs about satan.

I'm sure you want to hear my god hating metal as much as I wanna hear your god loving alternative rock

[Neo_337]

contrary to what you might think, i wouldnt mind if they had what you call "satan" music. i agree with the OP that we dont want these songs b/c of the religious beliefs the artists hold, or we hold, but b/c the music is awesome. the reason we like it or listen to it might be b/c of our personal beleifs, but others like the music just for the music and dont know or care that they are Christians. i have been to many relient k and switchfoot concerts and a good number of the fans are in no way "Christian", they just enjoy the music. same with so-called "satanic" music, i have heard and can enjoy some of the songs simply for the music, and dont agree with the artist or his beliefs. i dont understand why it is so hard for some of the little kids, or "know it all" college drop-outs who want to argue on these forums and pretend to be intelluctual or informed, to understand the difference and realize we like the MUSIC and want that, the same as anyone who wants any other artist.

[TheCrimsonSaint]

Then I'll keep Pillar fresh in everyone's minds. Seriously, if you didn't already know that they were Christian, you wouldn't figure it out by listening to them. They really are a freakin' talented band. If anyone checks them out, make it either "Crossfire" or "Awake" from the album The Reckoning.

[BhindBluEyes430]

I'm sick of you putting us down and insulting us for no reason. It's not like we're saying, "Oh, he's an atheist, he's a stupid Jackass." I respect your beliefs though I may not agree with them, and I ask for the same respect. And, another thing...Destroying your country, huh? I don't know where you live, but if you're talking about America, we were BUILT on this religion, though many of you may have forgotten that..

Yea right this country wasent founded on Any religion. This country was founded on freedom. and if anything your relegion takes away from Our freedom and opresses us one.

Yea i want this song Some FSM at 2:54. Yea you people say that our flying Spagetti monster isent real. why should we belive you when you put down our relegion.

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[Luvac Zantor]

Most of the founding fathers weren't practicing their religion, but realized the need for FREEDOM of religion, to be allow to practice what you want... i mean who do you think came over here in the first place? Those variants of religion that weren't accepted across the pond.

http://www.adherents.com/gov/Founding_Fathers_Religion.html

Some insight. Just because we were founded on variants of christianity, doesn't translate into we should only be. Freedom has no contraints like that.

However, most dedicated christians look down on you if you aren't christian. I mean HOW can they respect the fact that you will not goto heaven? (well according to them).

[Luvac Zantor]

http://www.sullivan-county.com/nf0/dispatch/fathers_quote2.htm

more reading.. i found the first paragraph interesting...

According to the U.S. Dept. of Treasury, the motto 'In God We Trust' came about not at the time of the Constitutional Conventions, but due to increased pressures to recognize God on coins and money during the Civil War.

or this from Ben Franklin

"I believe in one God, Creator of the universe.... That the most acceptable service we can render Him is doing good to His other children.... As to Jesus ... I have ... some doubts as to his divinity; though it is a question I do not dogmatize upon, having never studied it, and think it needless to busy myself with it now, when I expect soon an opportunity of knowing the truth with less trouble." - Benjamin Franklin (Alice J. Hall, "Philosopher of Dissent: Benj. Franklin," National Geographic, Vol. 148, No. 1, July, 1975, p. 94.)

Do yourself the favor of reading all the QUOTES of the founding fathers... it is quite enlightening.

[Burn1nMyLight]

I love how on one hand, the Christian posters tell us to be tolerant of their musical tastes, and how they just want these bands in the game because their music is awesome. Nobody has ever heard of any of them; why would they be included over bands people HAVE heard of and want to play? It's a complete lie to say they're "Just awesome and we want them in because of that, not because of their religious views". Nobody here is that dumb.

It's worthless to postulate or hypothesize anyway, none of this dumb junk is going to get in regardless. And I'm not saying that because I don't want preaching in my game, I'm saying it because nobody knows you the hell those people are. And no, you and your two friends don't count. Most people don't listen to Christian radio.

Here's a little something to tide you all over though. Some good, wholesome christian music...
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[thefalloftom]

I would like to see

Underoath- Your Ever So Inviting

[Avenjerk]

Yeesh. This is my first day here on the Rock Band forums, and I see this thread, and I think "Wow, that's a pretty good idea."

I guess it goes to show that no matter what kind of message board you're on, a debate on Christianity will ensue(I just got done with one on a Wrestling message board).

Anyhoo, to stay on topic, I think Skillet would indeed be a good choice, probably either Savior or Rebirth, and How about Consuming Fire by Third Day.

To all you non-believers, Jesus loves you, and he died for you, too.

To all of us believers: Remember: No matter what anybody says in the present, it doesn't change His past or our future.

[Burn1nMyLight]

Yeesh. This is my first day here on the Rock Band forums, and I see this thread, and I think "Wow, that's a pretty good idea."

To all you non-believers, Jesus loves you, and he died for you, too.

To all of us believers: Remember: No matter what anybody says in the present, it doesn't change His past or our future.

lol
Your past - Imaginary, and completely without historical evidence.
Your present - Delusional.
Your future - A corpse in the ground just like the rest of us.

People act all high-and-mighty with their religious views, then expect "tolerance" from everyone else. God forbid someone actually disagree. But I guess that's what happens when what you believe isn't based on logic or history.

[Avenjerk]

Look. I never said that anybody else's views were wrong. You're accusing me of things that never came out of my mouth...or in this case out of my keyboard.

We have the freedom to religion, no matter how ignorant one religion may sound over the other, but the fact is that there is total logistic and historical evidence for Christianity.

I'm not intolerant. I've researched several religions, and Christianity is the most believable/logical, even though it isn't really a religion.

The fact that you bash anything that has to do with Jesus makes you the intolerant one.

I mention Buddha, who cares.
I mention Satan, who cares.

But Jesus, OH NO NOT JESUS WE CAN'T STAND FOR PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT JESUS!!!

[KAGE]

Honestly if its a good song then fine put it in the game, but I really could name one song never mind one christian rock band...

if we are talking about religion....its for people who don't believe in themselves and can't think for themselves...

BHAAAAAAA!

[Avenjerk]

Well, I can say that there are songs by Christian bands that are out there that you would never guess were Christian bands, like Flyleaf, Lifehouse, Skillet, Switchfoot, etc

[OSUjen]

I mention Buddha, who cares.
I mention Satan, who cares.

But Jesus, OH NO NOT JESUS WE CAN'T STAND FOR PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT JESUS!!!
That's because there aren't 5 million people asking for OMGZ BUDDHIST SONGS! PLEEZE!!111one

Christians are the most outspoken about this kind of thing. People with different religious beliefs keep it to themselves.

[Burn1nMyLight]

Look. I never said that anybody else's views were wrong. You're accusing me of things that never came out of my mouth...or in this case out of my keyboard.

We have the freedom to religion, no matter how ignorant one religion may sound over the other, but the fact is that there is total logistic and historical evidence for Christianity.

I'm not intolerant. I've researched several religions, and Christianity is the most believable/logical, even though it isn't really a religion.

The fact that you bash anything that has to do with Jesus makes you the intolerant one.

I mention Buddha, who cares.
I mention Satan, who cares.

But Jesus, OH NO NOT JESUS WE CAN'T STAND FOR PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT JESUS!!!

For the last time, nobody's ever heard of Skillet lol. And as for the rest, it's pretty obvious that they're Christian bands...l1ke omG, Cre3d iz cHr1st14N1? N0 W4y!

If there is historical evidence, and please look up the definition of the word first, go ahead and post it, because I'd be very entertained to see what you come up with.

Going back to music, nobody would complain about adding someone like POD or more Flyleaf to the game (well, except for the people who apparently don't like ANY bands). But those aren't "Christian bands" in the way that every one of their songs panders to a specific religion. The other ones mentioned here...I mean come on, DC Talk? That's just offensive. And they're bad.

[BhindBluEyes430]

For the last time, nobody's ever heard of Skillet lol. And as for the rest, it's pretty obvious that they're Christian bands...l1ke omG, Cre3d iz cHr1st14N1? N0 W4y!

If there is historical evidence, and please look up the definition of the word first, go ahead and post it, because I'd be very entertained to see what you come up with.

Going back to music, nobody would complain about adding someone like POD or more Flyleaf to the game (well, except for the people who apparently don't like ANY bands). But those aren't "Christian bands" in the way that every one of their songs panders to a specific religion. The other ones mentioned here...I mean come on, DC Talk? That's just offensive. And they're bad.

No i hate Flyleaf so much. i just wish they could be removed from my setlist.

[Joatmon]

Keep your ignorance off our internets. And stop filling these fourms with this crap. its not good music for rock band First off. And nobody would want to play it. unless you have a pack with a jewish song a athiest song and a christian song your being completely objective. Its annoying enough to have to sing Jesus in "When you were young"

I truly pity your ignorance and small, intolerant mind sir, I wish you well.

[Joatmon]

Jerk. Catch fire? Sorry, some of us don't believe in that nonsense and don't want it included in our games. YES, there are some "Christian" bands, like POD and Flyleaf, that aren't overtly so. Those are fine, because they're good bands with good songs on their own merit. But the preachy garbage that would only be included in the game to sate some people's deep-seeded need for spiritual masturbation at the expense of every other sane person's play experience can stay out. It's about tolerance, something most Christians have forgotten about anyway. So I forgive you, it's what Jesus would want me to do.

Sad dude, really sad. I have never seen anyone ask for preachy music as you call it. Have you ever even LISTENED to Demon Hunter, Skillet, Day Of Fire or Thousand foot krutch? Please man, educate yourself before you speak (type).

As for my "catch fire" comment, lighten up, sarcasm is kinda funny if you aren't so uptight...

I forgive you too, but I really wish you would listen to a couple songs from each of those bands...

[BhindBluEyes430]

I truly pity your ignorance and small, intolerant mind sir, I wish you well.

I was trying to stay away from arguing after getting a warning from HMX.

at least i've got the mind to think for myself.

[Burn1nMyLight]

I truly pity your ignorance and small, intolerant mind sir, I wish you well.

Yes, he's intolerant because as a qualification for adding one religious song to Rock Band he wants to include a diverse view, not JUST Christian "Rock". How intolerant of him.

And I hope you burn in hell and suffer a million deaths at the hands of rusty spoons...hahaha that was sarcasm, lighten up. I'm very funny.
How dumb.
And having just listened to two songs by Skillet (The Older I Get and some other one), I can tell you they sound completely generic. The band is solid, although a bit over-produced, the singer is okay, but nothing great, and the lyrics are about as terrible as I've ever heard. You fill my lungs with oxygen? How profound lol. It's preachy, but in a "What the heck did he just say?" kinda way. They aren't a good band, from a critical, analytical view. So anyone who thinks they should be included is obviously arguing so for a different reason than their supposed "Skill".

[drizzt9922]

Hahah, come on guys lets all get over this religion thng and just laugh that someone said "Skillet" is a genuinely skilled band. Srsly. Endthread.

Also, how is christianity not a religion, and how is telling us that Jesus died for us not a complete argument to any of our varying beliefs?

[RockBandRocker]

I agree with a previous poster. Let's just get some ROCK on this game. Most rock and roll has Christian imagery (ex: "Stairway To Heaven" by Led Zeppelin mentions the Virgin Mary). It shouldn't matter if something is designated CHRISTIAN ROCK or not. Let's just let Harmonix develop the DLC. If they decide to put Creed, more power to them. By the way, just so you all know this, on iTunes the group Flyleaf ("I'm So Sick") falls under CHRISTIAN ROCK, so there is at least one song in the game already.

[Destromas]

Look. I never said that anybody else's views were wrong. You're accusing me of things that never came out of my mouth...or in this case out of my keyboard.

We have the freedom to religion, no matter how ignorant one religion may sound over the other, but the fact is that there is total logistic and historical evidence for Christianity.

I'm not intolerant. I've researched several religions, and Christianity is the most believable/logical, even though it isn't really a religion.

The fact that you bash anything that has to do with Jesus makes you the intolerant one.

I mention Buddha, who cares.
I mention Satan, who cares.

But Jesus, OH NO NOT JESUS WE CAN'T STAND FOR PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT JESUS!!!

If you researched several religions and came up with Christianity being the most feasible, you probably did your research in some library in Jerusalem. Honestly, you're probably the first person i've seen say that Christianity is the most logical after research. The fast that the only evidence we have dates back to the middle ages where kings had their names put on the Bible (and GOD knows what else, HAHAH get it?) and the fact that it went on for centuries obscures any possibility that truth can even be confirmed. Most of my philosophy professors lean towards Hinduism, which should make more sense, considering there's no invisible man in the sky in Hindu-land. Now to make things better, it's not about where you go when you die, but instead it's a set of personal morals. Some people believe that there is a supreme being, not really important unless you want to read about Vishnu, etc. But it's more about the unconscious goodness and simultaneous realization of the acts of goodness that you perform in every day life, in order to attain moksha, or the ultimate goal in your life, which some people call destiny, whether it's your career, a business success, or a lasting friendship. I don't see the word destiny too much in Christianity, but usually it is tied to converting people, just so that Christianity can be the largest religious organization in the world. Taking that to forums is just stupid, by the way, and I only gave you the basic gist of Hinduism.

[Destromas]

By the way, there's no such thing as Christian Rock. Narrow-minded Christians will never fully appreciate a distorted guitar tone or a really nice drum roll. It's just a ploy to market the Christian religion better.

here's a good joke. (http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?p=300741)

[Neo_337]

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=39332

that is just some food for thought, im not here to argue beliefs, but some genius thinks Jesus apparently is made up and doesn't exist??? most people that don't believe in Christianity at least except that Jesus Christ existed. i mean, why are we in the year 2008 if he didnt exist, shouldnt we be on some other time line? there is actually more proof in documentation and writings of Jesus' existence than Julius Caesar, but some people just say things with no information to back them up.

either way, if you havent heard of Switchfoot, P.O.D., or Relient K, then you need to get out more b/c they are all played on secular radio even though they are "Christian" rock bands. what we are doing is voicing our opinion (heaven forbid) that we want some of our favorite bands in the game. that is what this forum is for, making topics about the bands you want to see in the game. if there are alot of topics that keep talking about Christian rock, then maybe people really like the music and want it in the game. we are not going on every topic that is asking asking for Zepplin, or Pink Floyd and saying "they suck who would want them, dont push your musical taste on me...rant ...rant...blah...blah...unfunny joke...stupid reference...idiotic comment on religion". make topics on bands you want, we we will on the ones we want

p.s. to all those "wannabe" theologians out there, Christianity is not a religion...organized Christianity is, but the actual belief is a relationship, i understand some of you wont get that, but i was just clarifying someone's earlier post.

[Avenjerk]

For those continuing to dabble in the 'Dan Brown level 'of criticism of the historicity/reliabililty/authenticity of the claims of Jesus Christ, please consider the following:

Simon Greenleaf, Royal Professor of Law at Harvard, is considered one of the greatest legal minds that has ever lived. He wrote the famous legal work 'A Treatise on the Law of Evidence,' considered by many to be the greatest legal tome ever penned. BUT-Dr. Greenleaf thought that the Resurrection of Jesus Christ was a hoax. He actually set out to DISPROVE the resurrection, thereby snuffing out Christianity. After examining the evidence — Greenleaf came to the exact opposite finding! He wrote 'An Examination of the Testimony of the Four Evangelists by the Rules of Evidence Administered in the Courts of Justice.' Greenleaf subsequently became a Christian.

Noted literary expert and history scholar C.S. Lewis also was an opponent of Christianity, regularly debating and belittling those 'narrow minded' Jesus followers. UNTIL he set out to investigate the claims of Jesus for himself. CS Lewis, regarded as one of the greatest logical minds of the 20th century, came to faith in Jesus Christ, and his writings (Mere Christianity,Screwtape Letters, etc) are still considered to be the standard for apologetics.

Josh McDowell, also agnostic and rabid skeptic, challenged Christians at every turn. UNTIL he was challenged to investigate the historical foundation of Jesus Christ. He spent 6 months researching in the greatest libraries of the world and came to faith in Christ.

Lee Strobel has a journalism degree from the Univ. of Missouri and a Master of Studies in Law from Yale Law School. He was a journalist for fourteen years, at The Chicago Tribune and other papers. He was an outspoken skeptic of Christianity until his own personal research and investigation into the resurrection of Christ. He is now a born again Christian, having written several books on the topic of the evidence for Christ (The Case for Christ, the Case for a Creator, etc)

When investigating Christianity, it is a logical fallacy to study HOW people implemented their faith over the centuries. That is religion. Christianity (just as the name) begins and ends with Christ. One must investigate Jesus. One must look at the hundreds of prophecies written many hundreds of years before His birth, His fulfillment of prophecy, His life, His teachings, but most importantly, His death and resurrection.

Consider this single piece of evidence: 10 of the apostles went to horrible deaths claiming that Jesus did die and rise from the dead. If Christianity is an invention of the apostles, then it is illogical that you could get 10 out of 11 people to go to horrible deaths for a lie that they invented. People will die for something they BELIEVE to be true (such as suicide bombers), but that is based upon faith. But to claim that the people who invented Christianity (therefore knowing it is a lie) were willing to die for that lie would be a miracle greater than that of the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who claimed to be God and that He came to give us the opportunity to be saved from our rebellion against Him.

Christianity stands or falls upon Christ, and those who have taken the time to investigate His prophetic anticipation, His life, teachings, death and resurrection do not make the shallow, arrogant, and intolerant slams that we have read in this thread.

You can deny the claims of Christ, for you have a free will, but it will not be due to lack of evidence, but only to a lack of sincere scholarship in the issue. Do not look at religion, investigate Jesus.

[sutcar]

Some Sanctus Real would be great

[Burn1nMyLight]

For those continuing to dabble in the 'Dan Brown level 'of criticism of the historicity/reliabililty/authenticity of the claims of Jesus Christ, please consider the following:

Simon Greenleaf, Royal Professor of Law at Harvard, is considered one of the greatest legal minds that has ever lived. He wrote the famous legal work 'A Treatise on the Law of Evidence,' considered by many to be the greatest legal tome ever penned. BUT-Dr. Greenleaf thought that the Resurrection of Jesus Christ was a hoax. He actually set out to DISPROVE the resurrection, thereby snuffing out Christianity. After examining the evidence — Greenleaf came to the exact opposite finding! He wrote 'An Examination of the Testimony of the Four Evangelists by the Rules of Evidence Administered in the Courts of Justice.' Greenleaf subsequently became a Christian.

Noted literary expert and history scholar C.S. Lewis also was an opponent of Christianity, regularly debating and belittling those 'narrow minded' Jesus followers. UNTIL he set out to investigate the claims of Jesus for himself. CS Lewis, regarded as one of the greatest logical minds of the 20th century, came to faith in Jesus Christ, and his writings (Mere Christianity,Screwtape Letters, etc) are still considered to be the standard for apologetics.

Josh McDowell, also agnostic and rabid skeptic, challenged Christians at every turn. UNTIL he was challenged to investigate the historical foundation of Jesus Christ. He spent 6 months researching in the greatest libraries of the world and came to faith in Christ.

Lee Strobel has a journalism degree from the Univ. of Missouri and a Master of Studies in Law from Yale Law School. He was a journalist for fourteen years, at The Chicago Tribune and other papers. He was an outspoken skeptic of Christianity until his own personal research and investigation into the resurrection of Christ. He is now a born again Christian, having written several books on the topic of the evidence for Christ (The Case for Christ, the Case for a Creator, etc)

When investigating Christianity, it is a logical fallacy to study HOW people implemented their faith over the centuries. That is religion. Christianity (just as the name) begins and ends with Christ. One must investigate Jesus. One must look at the hundreds of prophecies written many hundreds of years before His birth, His fulfillment of prophecy, His life, His teachings, but most importantly, His death and resurrection.

Consider this single piece of evidence: 10 of the apostles went to horrible deaths claiming that Jesus did die and rise from the dead. If Christianity is an invention of the apostles, then it is illogical that you could get 10 out of 11 people to go to horrible deaths for a lie that they invented. People will die for something they BELIEVE to be true (such as suicide bombers), but that is based upon faith. But to claim that the people who invented Christianity (therefore knowing it is a lie) were willing to die for that lie would be a miracle greater than that of the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who claimed to be God and that He came to give us the opportunity to be saved from our rebellion against Him.

Christianity stands or falls upon Christ, and those who have taken the time to investigate His prophetic anticipation, His life, teachings, death and resurrection do not make the shallow, arrogant, and intolerant slams that we have read in this thread.

You can deny the claims of Christ, for you have a free will, but it will not be due to lack of evidence, but only to a lack of sincere scholarship in the issue. Do not look at religion, investigate Jesus.

And I could name numerous other high-profile people that have done the exact opposite. It's really irrelevant; what is this, celebrity sponsoring of religions? If so, let's all convert to scientology.

There are no written documents even mentioning Jesus until 30+ years after his death. It seems that if he was such a grand, amazing, popular figure, SOMEONE would have written about him within a generation of his death, or during his actual life. Point is, you CAN argue the existence of Jesus.

If you want to keep arguing whether Jesus existed, this is not the place. The point is, people here want music just BECAUSE it's Christian, and that motive, regardless of the actual music, is offensive.

[Avenjerk]

Burn: You are missing the point of the post. The post was in response to those who have claimed in this thread that there is no historical basis or solid evidence for Christ/Christianity. I was demonstrating that serious scholars who have researched the topic (way past the level of any in this thread) have found convincing proof. I was just wanting to make sure that the uninformed who would read a post like that would not take it at face value. I wanted them to see that serious researchers have found solid evidence, not blind faith. It was not a celeb contest, it was demonstrating that research of admitted skeptics yielded convincing evidence.

Your concern about a 30 year gap between Christ's ministry and the first gospel has problems on 4 levels:
1. Recent archaeology and historical research has conclusively shown that there is no reason to date any of the 4 gospels outside of a window from 33ad-75ad.
2. If the biblical writers were eye witness accounts, or dictations of eye witness accounts, in the presence of hostile witnesses of contemporary events, then manipulations or distortions are unlikely and unwarranted. Look up the issue of testimony in the presence of hostile witnesses.
3. Many of the new testament writers claimed divine inspiration of the writings. An infallible God could communicated infallibly even through a fallible person.
(even without claiming divine inspiration it is possible for a fallible person to show periods of 'infallible' information. Example: take a sheet of paper and write down the equation 2+2= _____? Most of you could complete this without any help and correctly write down 4. That means that even a fallible person can get some things correct.)
4. Time does NOT automatically falsify a person's testimony. Let's say that you and friend both witnessed a bank robbery 30 years ago. You may disagree about the exact color of hair or clothing of the robber 30 years later, but you both (rightly) assert that the bank was robbed. The essentials of the faith center around the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus, not the subtle details of word order, etc.

Your assertion that (in your opinion) there should be more direct literary evidence of a more contemporary nature concerning Jesus needs to answer the following questions:

1. Why should there be more contemporary writings about a man who:
a. was from an obscure country in the 'backwoods' of the Roman empire
b. was an obcure, solitary figure who only ministered for about 3 years, never travelled more than about 30 miles from home.
c. was an obscure figure who was from one of the smallest and least influential people groups in the Roman world, never aspiring to worldly political power or large revolutions.
d. lived in a time with no printing presses, internet, recording devices, or rapid communication.

2. The fact that there is a relatively large volume of non-biblical information concerning someone who should be completely lost in history is perhaps one of the strongest arguments for His existence/influence. (Tacitus, Josephus, talmud, pliny, etc etc)

3. History records that 10 of his 11 apostles went to horrible deaths saying that Jesus really was the Messiah, God-in-the-flesh, who died and then rose from the dead. If Christianity was their invention, then the fact that they would die for a known lie is a greater miracle than the resurrection itself.

4. Prophecies about a coming Messiah who would be born in Bethlehem, perform miracles, who would die for our sins and rise from the dead PRE-DATE Jesus, and are confirmed by the Dead Sea Scrolls. No amount of mental gymnastics can overcome this single consideration.

Therefore, please limit statements to ones similar to: 'I have researched but do not accept the claims of Jesus Christ" or "I have no interest in researching the claims of Christ", but let us not be intellectually dishonest and spam the thread with claims of 'no historicity of Christ' or 'no evidence for Christ of a solid/convincing nature.'


Lets say that all the sum total of knowledge of the universe could be equated simply as "100% knowledge". How much of the total existing knowledge would you say that you have? Some real cerebral types may be bold and claim a super high number, let's say 1%(that really would be huge beyond description). Is it so illogical to assert that perhaps there exists solid evidence and answers concerning God/Christ within the 99% of the knowledge that you admit that you do not have? It would be like losing your keys in a room, and after only searching 1% of the room saying that the keys are not in there, or maybe that the keys dont even exist!

[Burn1nMyLight]

Burn: You are missing the point of the post. The post was in response to those who have claimed in this thread that there is no historical basis or solid evidence for Christ/Christianity. I was demonstrating that serious scholars who have researched the topic (way past the level of any in this thread) have found convincing proof. I was just wanting to make sure that the uninformed who would read a post like that would not take it at face value. I wanted them to see that serious researchers have found solid evidence, not blind faith. It was not a celeb contest, it was demonstrating that research of admitted skeptics yielded convincing evidence.

Your concern about a 30 year gap between Christ's ministry and the first gospel has problems on 4 levels:
1. Recent archaeology and historical research has conclusively shown that there is no reason to date any of the 4 gospels outside of a window from 33ad-75ad.
2. If the biblical writers were eye witness accounts, or dictations of eye witness accounts, in the presence of hostile witnesses of contemporary events, then manipulations or distortions are unlikely and unwarranted. Look up the issue of testimony in the presence of hostile witnesses.
3. Many of the new testament writers claimed divine inspiration of the writings. An infallible God could communicated infallibly even through a fallible person.
(even without claiming divine inspiration it is possible for a fallible person to show periods of 'infallible' information. Example: take a sheet of paper and write down the equation 2+2= _____? Most of you could complete this without any help and correctly write down 4. That means that even a fallible person can get some things correct.)
4. Time does NOT automatically falsify a person's testimony. Let's say that you and friend both witnessed a bank robbery 30 years ago. You may disagree about the exact color of hair or clothing of the robber 30 years later, but you both (rightly) assert that the bank was robbed. The essentials of the faith center around the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus, not the subtle details of word order, etc.

Your assertion that (in your opinion) there should be more direct literary evidence of a more contemporary nature concerning Jesus needs to answer the following questions:

1. Why should there be more contemporary writings about a man who:
a. was from an obscure country in the 'backwoods' of the Roman empire
b. was an obcure, solitary figure who only ministered for about 3 years, never travelled more than about 30 miles from home.
c. was an obscure figure who was from one of the smallest and least influential people groups in the Roman world, never aspiring to worldly political power or large revolutions.
d. lived in a time with no printing presses, internet, recording devices, or rapid communication.

2. The fact that there is a relatively large volume of non-biblical information concerning someone who should be completely lost in history is perhaps one of the strongest arguments for His existence/influence. (Tacitus, Josephus, talmud, pliny, etc etc)

3. History records that 10 of his 11 apostles went to horrible deaths saying that Jesus really was the Messiah, God-in-the-flesh, who died and then rose from the dead. If Christianity was their invention, then the fact that they would die for a known lie is a greater miracle than the resurrection itself.

4. Prophecies about a coming Messiah who would be born in Bethlehem, perform miracles, who would die for our sins and rise from the dead PRE-DATE Jesus, and are confirmed by the Dead Sea Scrolls. No amount of mental gymnastics can overcome this single consideration.

Therefore, please limit statements to ones similar to: 'I have researched but do not accept the claims of Jesus Christ" or "I have no interest in researching the claims of Christ", but let us not be intellectually dishonest and spam the thread with claims of 'no historicity of Christ' or 'no evidence for Christ of a solid/convincing nature.'


Lets say that all the sum total of knowledge of the universe could be equated simply as "100% knowledge". How much of the total existing knowledge would you say that you have? Some real cerebral types may be bold and claim a super high number, let's say 1%(that really would be huge beyond description). Is it so illogical to assert that perhaps there exists solid evidence and answers concerning God/Christ within the 99% of the knowledge that you admit that you do not have? It would be like losing your keys in a room, and after only searching 1% of the room saying that the keys are not in there, or maybe that the keys dont even exist!

The logical fallacies used by zealots to propagate their views never ceases to astound me. "The most perfidious way to harm a cause is to defend it with faulty arguments" - Nieztsche

Firstly, none of the people you named have found anything that could be seriously called "Proof". Greenleaf's arguments have been shredded by modern legal scholars who find his criterion seriously flawed. C.S. Lewis's major contribution, the Trilemma, is so full of logical holes a blind marksman could hit any of them.
The fact that you concede that the first 4 New Testament Gospels were written, at best, 30 plus years after the events in question is interesting. Eye witness accounts, as any attorney or law professional knows, is extremely unreliable in the best of conditions. But 30 years after the fact? Or from people like Luke, who weren't there to start with? That's called hearsay, and it isn't admissible in court for a reason.
I know you'll say something like "But an infallible God sent him the truth to write about." This is another nice logical misstep. It COULD be true, if there were any proof of an infallible God. But there isn't. To sum up the complete argument for the existence of God...
God exists because the Bible says so. The Bible is true because God wrote it.
Anyone else see a flaw in that?
Tacitus wrote a few hundred years after the death of Jesus. That's some solid testimony there. Joesphus was BORN sometime around 37AD. See, Christian apologists like to site these historians that lived decades, even centuries after the events they describe happened, and then cite them as being infallible, perfect. Nobody from the actual time of Jesus ever wrote about him. There are no works from John, or Paul, or anyone else from within almost 50 years of his death...amazing coincidence.
As for predictions....it's easy to line up predictions far AFTER they've occurred. People quote Nostradamus all the time. It's the reason people love horoscopes. But it doesn't make it anymore true that some vaguely-worded "prophesy" occurred.
As for the Dead Sea Scrolls....I didn't realize those were officially recognized cannon. If so, the parts you refer to are written in Hebrew, pertaining to the Jewish tradition. And obviously, the Jews don't accept Jesus as their savior lol. Also, stories and prophesies of Messiah figures dying, rising, and saving their people have been around for over 5000 years, well before Christianity ripped it off.
As I said, the evidence for a historical Jesus is lacking at best, and completely false at worst. Now, if we could continue with the MUSIC related discussion, I'd appreciate it. Such as, the merits of a band such as Skillet being included lol. If anyone here wanted a sermon they'd go to church.

[sano86323]

... there is metal and punk but no Christian because not every one believes in imaginary friends...

[liljonatl]

FLYLEAF there happy you got it. subject done

[xdeadstar28x]

Flyleaf is christian?... does that mean every band that doesnt cuss is christian now... Linkin Park!! lol oh wait... they did that cussing album with p diddle... or was it 24 cents... i dont know...

better make my christian vote paramore then...

*sorry I'm a sarcastic donkey butt ppl dont take me seriously*

amen...

[OSUjen]

better make my christian vote paramore then...


NOOO they said "whore" in Misery Business, it hurt my earzszszsz

[Destromas]

Greenleaf's arguments have been shredded by modern legal scholars who find his criterion seriously flawed.

Just in case the admins stumble upon this thread, we are STILL on topic. Shredding. Everyone loves it. The Christians can't shred though, they're still working on their I-IV-V-I chops after centuries.

But all of the theories based on Christianity, and how hard people are pushing them on the forums is exactly why you guys can't get none. Like I said in a post full of sardonic mockery, the way you request your music by religiously tagging an artist or song is pompous and implicative. You won't get it that way. You could say "hey put some P.O.D. in or Switchfoot or whatever crap it is I won't download, BUT saying "WE NEED CHRISTIAN MUSIC" is entirely unwarranted and most people don't want to see it.

I've heard of Christian rock. I have not heard of Christian Metal or Punk. I'm pretty sure they don't exist. First of all, with our separation of church and state, we can't have Christian punk. Besides, those bad boys will get the rod (they used to call it that, now it means something else) if they yell too loud about how we're voting for Hilary. Christian metal would just be lyrically inane. DIE DIE DIE would turn into REPENT REPENT REPENT. No thank you.

[DarkEternal37]

Destroy The Runner; Very metal and Christian. Though you'd never from just listening to them and or watching this video. Naturally the video doesn't do the song too much justice as it was taken live and isn't of the best quality. But anyway:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=h-a64uZCrVI

Also, As I Lay Dying and Haste The Day would be great (saw both of them live in Worcester Mass and they are amazing.) Underoath too. I would like to see these bands not because they are Christian bands, but because they are awesome bands. They just happen to have beliefs in God. (I'm Christian too, but whatever)

[TREMMOR760]

booooooo
i dont think you will ever get that crap on here.
who would download it.

[The Misfit]

Amen on the Jesus Freak, from DCT, also Alien Youth from Skillet would be grand

[Focker420]

k... whoever posted this is dreaming... no one would by it... and plus they're not gonna waste their time on this music when they havent even scratched the surface of all the music out there... so good luck ppl... its not happening for a long time... unless they made u an expansion pack or somethin (this would be wayy in the future) ...

[Burn1nMyLight]

k... whoever posted this is dreaming... no one would by it... and plus they're not gonna waste their time on this music when they havent even scratched the surface of all the music out there... so good luck ppl... its not happening for a long time... unless they made u an expansion pack or somethin (this would be wayy in the future) ...

Totally true, it's strike dos against the cause; first, asking for CHRISTIAN music as opposed to asking for good music that happens to be Christian is strike 1. Strike two is, why the hell would HMX include these bands that only Christian music lovers have heard of, when they haven't come CLOSE to including all the great bands/songs that people HAVE heard of? To quote Matt and Trey from S.P.

*Dumb Dumb Dumb Dumb Dumb Dumb Dumb.....Dumb Dumb Dumb Dumb Dumb*

[0tj]

If I was to respond with quotes to all of the stupid arguments against Christanity, it would take a the size of like 40 posts to do it.

Anyway I think I will start a topic in the General section to continue this conversation and stop clogging this thread with unrelated posts. That is, if it is not against the rules. If anyone can clarify that would help.

[cdoe001]

Why don't we keep this to a conversation about bands and music. Yes Christian music has it's own various topics that are frequently discussed. but so does U2 and Rage against the machine. If they musically fit the game and you don't like them fine state that you don't like the band or the sound sucks... Why does it have to degrade into a situation where you question the existence of jesus and attempt to snuff others faith out... Those of you who do believe why be dragged down. WHO CARES WHAT THE OTHERS BELIEVE... believing in any religion isn't something wrong and choosing not to believe isn't wrong either. I don't see these people on this thread of "Christians" telling you directly to read a bible or to go to a church...(If your going to argue otherwise you aren’t actualy looking at a majority of the posts.) They are discussing the bands that they would want in rock band. That’s the end. You know what I’m hearing on the modern rock station here in upstate New York? Chevelle is mixed in with all the other modern rock. That’s the truth and it doesn't matter if jesus is/was/could be real it's apart of the music seen today. I know I rather have Chevelle then a song from the Vines...

But that’s just the humble opinion of an agnostic.

[LetsRock]

If any of you supposed "athiests" actually listened to any of these you would probably catch fire, oops, I mean really like them, why do you even come into this thread to spread your hate? Are you looking for something that you are lacking?

If you don't want to listen/play/download them, don't. Why waste your energy this way?
It's not OUR energy that would be wasted, but Harmonix's precious time completely wasted, adding songs that nobody gives a damn about except for a couple of irrational Jesus-loving cross wavers that would be happy to bring their rock band game to the church on sunday mornings because they suck too much to play real instruments and can't find any musicians that want to play in a church anymore.

Me lacking something? How about you obviously lacking the part of your brain that defines logic and rationality?

ROCK AND ROLL AND RELIGION HAVE ==>NOTHING<== TO DO WITH EACHOTHER. PLEASE KEEP YOUR DUMBING GARBAGE OUT OF OUR GAME AND PLEASE HARMONIX DO NOT WASTE YOUR TIME ADDING CHRISTIAN SONGS TO THE GAME AND CONCENTRATE ON ACTUAL MUSIC SO MORE PEOPLE WILL DOWNLOAD ENJOYABLE SONGS.

[0tj]

Congratulations, you have successfully made an idiot of yourself. First of all, yes I would want to bring RB to church (for other people to have fun). Secondly, I play real guitar, real drums, and i can sing. I also play in the church band. So what now. Plus, music is part of everything and a lot of chritian rock is enjoyable. You are just to narrow minded and set in your ways to listen to any of it.

[Burn1nMyLight]

Congratulations, you have successfully made an idiot of yourself. First of all, yes I would want to bring RB to church (for other people to have fun). Secondly, I play real guitar, real drums, and i can sing. I also play in the church band. So what now. Plus, music is part of everything and a lot of chritian rock is enjoyable. You are just to narrow minded and set in your ways to listen to any of it.

Everyone who cares that this random tool claims to play real instruments, raise your hand.

Having actually listened to some of the bands proposed here, it's obvious that they just aren't skilled enough to make the cut. It's funny to claim that some here are biased against those bands because they don't want to listen to these bands nobody has ever heard of, when their opponents only like those bands because they sing Christian music. Their abilities are sub-par, period. There's no Tool of Christian Rock, no Linkin Park of Christian rock; just a lot of Blink 182s of Christian Rock; lacking actual technical skill or good songwriting. Nobody here can actually argue the merits of someone like Skillet vs. RHCP, or DC Talk vs. Led Zepplin.
So the posters here are basically claiming, on the one hand, quit discriminating against these bands simply because they're Christian rock, then the only argument they can make FOR those bands is that they like them because they're Christian. It's a huge logical loophole.

[OSUjen]

Everyone who cares that this random tool claims to play real instruments, raise your hand.

Hey, I play triangle in the marching band, so I win. HA. And I played recorder in grade school.

[LetsRock]

Congratulations, you have successfully made an idiot of yourself. First of all, yes I would want to bring RB to church (for other people to have fun). Secondly, I play real guitar, real drums, and i can sing. I also play in the church band. So what now. Plus, music is part of everything and a lot of chritian rock is enjoyable. You are just to narrow minded and set in your ways to listen to any of it.
Your first sentence made me laugh, then I kept on reading and the laughter immediately stopped. I'm really sorry for you but it's okay, jesus is on your side.

[jackfairy1979]

Hey guys maybe if we use rock and roll the youth will accept christ as their savior.

[Daytman]

Though I'm an athiest, I'd LOVE Switchfoot, Thousand Foot Krutch, or Underoath.

[dmac520]

wow this thread is crazy first time on here and i see all this hate! lol "HATE HATE HATE HATE!" (chappelle's show hater's ball episode). ok 1st up the Burn1nMyLight dude, u are talking too far with complaining about christian music, the religion etc. i'm not here to complain about if god is real or not, i came on this thread to see what songs people wanted. i think that was the whole point. damn if you hate god then keep it to yourself. all the christian's in here aren't saying i hate atheists, i hate hindus, etc, they are keeping their thoughts to themselves. obviously posting so much crap about i hate christians shows you have nothing better to do then to sit at a computer for days complaining. its not like your gonna see these people in your life so who cares. yea i'm a christian, i believe in god, and i don't complain about other religions, if you don't believe in god or believe in another religion then thats okay i'll give respect as long as you don't hate on my views. people wanna think that most christian's are like yea u need to go to church and read the bile 24/7 or your going to hell! no it ain't like that, i barely go to chruch and read the bible, but i still believe in god.

ok enough about that i made my point stop the hate! lol and i don't listen to a lot of rock cuz i just to only listen to hip-hop & r&b but we need some damn incubus on here, nobody has mention them and they have some bomb ass songs! lol

[mando86]

http://personales.ciudad.com.ar/golem85/thread%20sucks.jpg

[Blake_BOF]

skillet,disciple,all that remains,and some older green day would be a few nice additions

[Burn1nMyLight]

First of all, I've made more MUSIC-centered responses and posts than anyone else.
Second, I don't have to respect anyone's views. Respect is EARNED, not just given. And sitting there saying "Include (Random Christian Band) just because they're Christian and mediocre" is not a compelling argument.
I haven't heard a single good argument for any band on this thread. HMX isn't going to include a band just because a few people like them; they have to be good for the game, or skilled. Neither criterion has been met by any kitchen-instrument bands.
As for asking for bands like Switchfoot, or Incubus, or POD, I'm all for it. They're talented, popular, and would be fun to play with. THOSE are the reasons to include a band, not just because they propagate your particular religious views. Funny how I"M the discriminate one, when it wasn't ME who stated a thread demanding music that reflects MY religious views. I didn't demand "Atheist" music. I just want GOOD music, and junk like Skillet and DC Talk doesn't count.

[OSUjen]

its not like your gonna see these people in your life so who cares.
Follow your own advice then.

[MGSolidSnake]

....instead of more Christian metal/rock/punk how about we get more regular metal/rock/punk...and if it happens to be Christian, whoopdy-doo.

Keep your religion out of my video games

Agreed. Has to be the most intelligent philosophy I've seen posted when it comes to Christian music in Rock Band.

[Smidget]

Here's a response I previously posted when Nappymonster made a thread requesting his(her?) list of songs (which was also posted in this thread by the user). Perhaps this will help a little as I think it does a decent job of "laying it out"


***************

*face palm*

I see you're a somewhat new member Nappymonster. Welcome to the forums! Just want to point out a couple things for ya on this topic. There have been a bajillion threads about "Christian bands in Rock Band" and the response from HMX has always been the same (below). Also, I would recommend (and perhaps request) using the "search" function when making a new thread about a topic you may think could have been done before. Reviving a topic thats been dead for a while isn't normally a bad thing if you have something new to add to it. And that way the thread gets your input as well as all the input from those that had posted before you :)

Some responses from HMX:

After one of the threads got a little..edgy:
"The reality of music is that most of it has a message. You cannot say "stop preaching here" without saying the same about music with a political bent or other message. The fact is that the original poster did not shoot this off to preach. Reasonable, well thought-out suggestions are ALWAYS welcome on the Rock Band forums. This thread will be locked. I encourage the OP to post the suggestions again without all of this senseless bashing.

Once again: this is about the music. Suggestions that bring genres and songs to the table will always be accepted here, no matter how badly the majority kicks and screams."

Different thread, after a poster said: "Im sure they consider all songs equally and i doubt they are going to base it on religion. The best songs for the game will get in."
HMX replied with: "That is pretty much the plan."


I don't post this in an anti-Christian mindset either, btw, haha. I've been a panhead since the beginning (in '96) and have listened to Christian rock since then. Project 86 "Truthless Heroes" is one of my favorite rock albums of all time, simply amazing (little green men = genius). I just recommend that when requesting Christian songs, don't label them as such ^_^ Its kinda funny, in some of the threads the OP (and others) tried to defend the music by saying "but the bands I requested, you wouldn't even know they were Christian if someone didn't tell you." If thats the case, then why did you have to title the thread "Christian bands"? haha People WON'T know that a band is Christian most of the time if its just posted as a request with a youtube clip to go along with it. I've done it a few times and guess what, the response is usually "I like it." (an Anberlin song for instance, another great band for RB). So yeah, just try to request songs as "rock songs" instead of "christian songs", for the sake of the requests actually being entertained by the community members :) Now that many of the christian bands have been posted about, the community is wiser to certain band names and may recognize it and immediately respond with something anti-Christian music-y but I think they would also appreciate the fact that it wasn't posted as a "pleeease Christian bands" topic. WE both know that so many great Christian rocks songs most of the time have nothing to do with religion at all and are just normal rock songs about whatever and that though the band members may be Christians, their music isn't necessarily focused on that. Many songs from Skillet, Project 86 (well, pretty much all songs from them, haha), and Anberlin are good examples of those. But people who don't know that very true fact automatically think that they will be preached to by Christian rock music when the topic is brought up. No point in trying to explain all that to people on here; just let them hear the music as rock music with no labels attached - since that is, afterall, what they are here for.

So, just my thoughts on it :)

and oh, I have kept track of all the Christian rock threads and all the bands you mentioned have been talked about before so HMX has seen them quite a few times now. Perhaps they've listened to some of it and they will make the cut in the future but they've definitely seen the band names posted more than a couple times. Thought you'd like to know :)

[MGSolidSnake]

Here's a response I previously posted when Nappymonster made a thread requesting his(her?) list of songs (which was also posted in this thread by the user). Perhaps this will help a little as I think it does a decent job of "laying it out"


***************

*face palm*

I see you're a somewhat new member Nappymonster. Welcome to the forums! Just want to point out a couple things for ya on this topic. There have been a bajillion threads about "Christian bands in Rock Band" and the response from HMX has always been the same (below). Also, I would recommend (and perhaps request) using the "search" function when making a new thread about a topic you may think could have been done before. Reviving a topic thats been dead for a while isn't normally a bad thing if you have something new to add to it. And that way the thread gets your input as well as all the input from those that had posted before you :)

Some responses from HMX:

After one of the threads got a little..edgy:
"The reality of music is that most of it has a message. You cannot say "stop preaching here" without saying the same about music with a political bent or other message. The fact is that the original poster did not shoot this off to preach. Reasonable, well thought-out suggestions are ALWAYS welcome on the Rock Band forums. This thread will be locked. I encourage the OP to post the suggestions again without all of this senseless bashing.

Once again: this is about the music. Suggestions that bring genres and songs to the table will always be accepted here, no matter how badly the majority kicks and screams."

Different thread, after a poster said: "Im sure they consider all songs equally and i doubt they are going to base it on religion. The best songs for the game will get in."
HMX replied with: "That is pretty much the plan."


I don't post this in an anti-Christian mindset either, btw, haha. I've been a panhead since the beginning (in '96) and have listened to Christian rock since then. Project 86 "Truthless Heroes" is one of my favorite rock albums of all time, simply amazing (little green men = genius). I just recommend that when requesting Christian songs, don't label them as such ^_^ Its kinda funny, in some of the threads the OP (and others) tried to defend the music by saying "but the bands I requested, you wouldn't even know they were Christian if someone didn't tell you." If thats the case, then why did you have to title the thread "Christian bands"? haha People WON'T know that a band is Christian most of the time if its just posted as a request with a youtube clip to go along with it. I've done it a few times and guess what, the response is usually "I like it." (an Anberlin song for instance, another great band for RB). So yeah, just try to request songs as "rock songs" instead of "christian songs", for the sake of the requests actually being entertained by the community members :) Now that many of the christian bands have been posted about, the community is wiser to certain band names and may recognize it and immediately respond with something anti-Christian music-y but I think they would also appreciate the fact that it wasn't posted as a "pleeease Christian bands" topic. WE both know that so many great Christian rocks songs most of the time have nothing to do with religion at all and are just normal rock songs about whatever and that though the band members may be Christians, their music isn't necessarily focused on that. Many songs from Skillet, Project 86 (well, pretty much all songs from them, haha), and Anberlin are good examples of those. But people who don't know that very true fact automatically think that they will be preached to by Christian rock music when the topic is brought up. No point in trying to explain all that to people on here; just let them hear the music as rock music with no labels attached - since that is, afterall, what they are here for.

So, just my thoughts on it :)

and oh, I have kept track of all the Christian rock threads and all the bands you mentioned have been talked about before so HMX has seen them quite a few times now. Perhaps they've listened to some of it and they will make the cut in the future but they've definitely seen the band names posted more than a couple times. Thought you'd like to know :)

Correction. This is the most intelligent post I've seen relating to religious music. Good job, Smidget.

[Joatmon]

Wow, you guys are sad, very sad indeed, especially burn1, I feel bad for all of you, but the good news is we won't be stuck listening to you whine in eternity, take some moisturizing lotion with you when you are buried haha!

People who share your views are ruining our country, I am in the military, I am a non denominational Christian, this country was formed around beleif in God, it is engraved on just about every building in DC, our laws (were) based on the 10 commandments, everything this country was founded on was based on a solid foundation that made sense. People like you who have NO foundation and only beleive in self gratification and shutting out ANY religious expression are causing our country to decay from the inside and soon we will end up like Rome, we are already headed down that road... Thanks

[Smidget]

Wow, you guys are sad, very sad indeed, especially burn1, I feel bad for all of you, but the good news is we won't be stuck listening to you whine in eternity, take some moisturizing lotion with you when you are buried haha!

People who share your views are ruining our country, I am in the military, I am a non denominational Christian, this country was formed around beleif in God, it is engraved on just about every building in DC, our laws (were) based on the 10 commandments, everything this country was founded on was based on a solid foundation that made sense. People like you who have NO foundation and only beleive in self gratification and shutting out ANY religious expression are causing our country to decay from the inside and soon we will end up like Rome, we are already headed down that road... Thanks

Well that marks the end of this thread

[Lock]

I would love to see these "bands" in RB.

Also please continue to contact your favorite Christian Rock Bands and let them know you would like their music in RB.
Here is my setlist and part of what I listen to everyday.

DC Talk - Jesus Freak <-- great guitar solos
Kutless - Strong Tower, Shut Me Out, We Fall Down
This Beautiful Republic - Black Box, Right Now, Cloud Cover
Red - Breathe into Me
Relient K - Who I Am Hates Who I've Been
Need to breathe - You Are Here
MercyMe - So Long Self, Coming up to Breathe
Hawk Nelson - The One Thing I Have Left
Thousand Foot Crutch - Rawkfist <-- ultimate RB song! Fun to just listen to.
Decemberadio - Dangerous
Tree63 - King above all Kings

I have been there done that on these "Christian threads" and those who only think of themselves come into your thread and bash it when their own thread has no replies. So don't feel bad when your thread is bashed by those who are hurt by no replies in their own thread.
Keep your head up there are plenty of us that play RB that want the Christian songs they listen to everyday in RB. HMX will realize this or miss out on the money.
I know that any song on my list would outsell the DLC for 02/06/08 combined.
I would buy any Christian song to support the artist. I know others feel the same.
Yes I know what I have said will be picked apart by those who are scared that they will turn into a Christian if HMX allows Christian Rock for DLC in RB. LOL!

[OSUjen]

Wow, you guys are sad, very sad indeed, especially burn1, I feel bad for all of you, but the good news is we won't be stuck listening to you whine in eternity, take some moisturizing lotion with you when you are buried haha!

People who share your views are ruining our country, I am in the military, I am a non denominational Christian, this country was formed around beleif in God, it is engraved on just about every building in DC, our laws (were) based on the 10 commandments, everything this country was founded on was based on a solid foundation that made sense. People like you who have NO foundation and only beleive in self gratification and shutting out ANY religious expression are causing our country to decay from the inside and soon we will end up like Rome, we are already headed down that road... Thanks
Wow.

How dare other people not be Christian. Without Christianity, people have no foundation? Yeah, I only believe in self gratification.. I mean I believe in being a good person and helping those in need, but I guess those mean squat if I don't agree with Christian views. My bad.

Grow the **** up, and accept that not everyone is Christian. If you want to talk about our country decaying... there are other issues that are causing that, not your make-believe one.

[Burn1nMyLight]

Wow, you guys are sad, very sad indeed, especially burn1, I feel bad for all of you, but the good news is we won't be stuck listening to you whine in eternity, take some moisturizing lotion with you when you are buried haha!

People who share your views are ruining our country, I am in the military, I am a non denominational Christian, this country was formed around beleif in God, it is engraved on just about every building in DC, our laws (were) based on the 10 commandments, everything this country was founded on was based on a solid foundation that made sense. People like you who have NO foundation and only beleive in self gratification and shutting out ANY religious expression are causing our country to decay from the inside and soon we will end up like Rome, we are already headed down that road... Thanks

You're an idiot.
First of all, our country was NOT founded on the 10 commandments...unless I missed the laws making it illegal to make graven images or take the lord's name in vain. So no, the 10 commandments have nothing to do with our legal system.
The founding fathers were not Christian, they were Deists. HUGE difference.
And why would you try to make a personal insult at me? I have no foundation? Do you know me somehow? Yeah, I didn't think so. Just because I'm not brainwashed into believing something that has no proof, that means that I have no foundation? You make me sick, sitting up there on your pedestal, thinking you're better than everyone else just because you believe some dude somehow rose from the dead. You're right, that definitely makes you better than everyone else, you pompous jerk. If people like you actually got into heaven, I'd rather not be there.

[Burn1nMyLight]

Sorry, double post. Grrr!

[jameshar1]

The Crucified "Mindbender" would be a great Christian Thrash/Hardcore song for Rock Band.
I remember going to see Pantera and The Crucified opened for them. Great Show, kind of funny how all these Pantera fans had a huge circle pit going with a Christian Thrash/Hardcore/Punk band playing, but now they will probably whine and yell that no christian band is deserving of being in rock band!

[Exuberance88]

The day they put a Relient K song up for download is the day I buy a Microsoft Points card.

Seriously, putting in one Christian song is probably the best thing they could do, because maybe Christians will download it simply for the reason that it's a Christian song, and for a band like Relient K that doesn't do strictly Christian-themed songs all the time, other people who just like the band will download it too. And to those of you so strongly apposed to having a religious song in a game, there's an obvious solution: don't buy it.

I would agree to most of these bands mentioned, though I haven't heard of a few of them. I don't have a setlist yet, though.

[0tj]

Just because I'm not brainwashed into believing something that has no proof,

Well obviously you have been brainwashed, there are over 30,000 seperate pieces of evidence supporting Christanity. Just to cut you off, i'm not going to make a list of them just to make some stupid person believe me.

BTW did you know that christians are now the only group not protected by anti-discrimination laws?

[mando86]

I feel bad for all of you, but the good news is we won't be stuck listening to you whine in eternity, take some moisturizing lotion with you when you are buried haha!

Jesus would be proud of you.



People who share your views are ruining our country, I am in the military, I am a non denominational Christian, this country was formed around beleif in God, it is engraved on just about every building in DC, our laws (were) based on the 10 commandments, everything this country was founded on was based on a solid foundation that made sense. People like you who have NO foundation and only beleive in self gratification and shutting out ANY religious expression are causing our country to decay from the inside and soon we will end up like Rome, we are already headed down that road... Thanks

Wow, it's really scary that people have this twisted mindset. Tell me where in the constitution it says anything about coveting a neighbor's wife, or disrespecting your parents, or using god's name in vain. The very fact that we have freedom of speech and religion and that our economy is largely based on "coveting" makes it obvious that our laws are not based on the commandments. They are based on humanist principles from the Enlightenment. I hope by next year your kind are out of power and we get some non-batsh*t people in charge.

[Burn1nMyLight]

Well obviously you have been brainwashed, there are over 30,000 seperate pieces of evidence supporting Christanity. Just to cut you off, i'm not going to make a list of them just to make some stupid person believe me.

BTW did you know that christians are now the only group not protected by anti-discrimination laws?

And there are 4 billion years of evidence denying it. Funny how Christians have this loose definition of "Evidence".
And as for them not having anti-discrimination laws protecting them....probably because they're the ones doing the discriminating. After all, I don't tell YOU that if you don't believe what I do you'll be tortured for eternity.

[Quinarvy]

I'm gonna lean towards Burn1n, why because this about the tenth time I've seen that all non Christians will burn in hell on these forums.

It's ridiculous, as is this thread, and 90% of the comments in it.