DLC Feedback 2/5/2008, Constructive Criticism please

[Tiberiouslb]

Trying to create a forum for useful feedback on DLC. Hopefully not a place for whining, flaming, hating, or other useless posts that HMX will ignore. Just doing current week here.

[Tiberiouslb]

Roam is a 3 for me because its not my style but it gives Girls more to sing and everybody knows it, making it great for parties.

[vedis]

awesome party song, so have to give it a 5

[ASPSAX]

This is the internet, how can you not expect some sort of flame war to happen?

Anyways I give Roam a 1. The song is too long and repetitive. I would've given it a 2 if Rock Lobster was released already, but the fact that it isn't makes it that much worse.

[RogerTarin]

if they are gonnna put these kind of music in rock band at least get a best song rock lobster would've been a lot more fun... i voted 1

[darknessmoon]

Gave it a 3. It's an ok song for me.

[DethBoxx]

I'm pretty confident that the people at HMX know what they are doing.
There are reasons why they choose the songs they do.

[TreoRock_]

Roam is freaking awesome!!! RockBand has great songs, but some songs are not very popular and lately the new DLC has been targeted to selected people. Now, with B-52 dude! this is gonna rock my friday nights with Rock Band!!! We need more songs like roam.

[c-murph]

Roam? Com'on, No way! It should have been Love Shack.

[Transbrak]

roam is great and will be a great party song

we care alot is alright but no fun on drums

and kiss is kiss and therefore im avoiding it like the plague

[FrankieZ]

It's OK, but it's definitely going to be a hit at parties, especially with the ladies.

[JIrish780]

Roam? Com'on, No way! It should have been Love Shack.

The one problem with Love Shack I can think of is that instead of just the girls singing, you've got two entirely different vocal parts, one for Frank and one for the girls. If Harmonix picks both, there's at least a couple sections where one part is coming in while the other is wrapping up a phrase. And if they pick just one part, the song wouldn't be as fun. This wouldn't be an easy task for Harmonix to convert, at least not as easy as, say, the oft suggested Rock Lobster where Frank's singing is the obvious focal point of the song.

As for Roam, I give it a 4. It's not a song that's on my dream list, but it's a very welcome surprise.

[Purist]

Man, you needed an option between the scores of 3 and 4, like: "Pretty Good." I like that it's popular so I can get my wife to play with me hopefully. (She hates games, and anything else I like).

[BathTub]

I reckon it's good, hopefully it will lead to a Channel Z, Rock Lobster, Love Shack 3 Pack.

[HPLabonte]

Roam is awesome, i'm a pretty big fan of the B-52s, I like their older stuff with Ricky Wilson, but stuff like Roam, and Love Shack are alright, too, definite fun.

[Ultrace]

I played Roam last night on expert guitar while my wife did expert singing. Both were quite fun. The guitar portion will not blister anyone's fingers and has a little repetition to it, but the bottom line is it's a fun song, and should definitely be a hit in groups.

Also played We Care a Lot. That one wasn't as much fun to play on guitar (it has a lot of things I'm not as good at, like rapid G-B-Os, long chord switch segments and trill sections), but the song itself was fun to play and listen to. On the singing side, it seems a lot more fun than Epic.

Haven't tried the KISS song, but after listening to it, we were convinced to download it.

Overall, this is a successful week to me. I continue to measure the DLC on how fun the songs actually are, not on whether they're mega-blockbuster hits or among the top ten songs I'd like to see--which these certainly weren't. But if I watch or play the song and it seems fun enough for my 160 MSP, then I consider it worthwhile, and these are.

[Electric_Zen]

Bought this for my wife last night, and she absolutely loved singing it. I'm very glad Harmonix is putting chick-friendly content out on DLC. I was a little disappointed with the guitar part, wasn't as fun as I had hoped. I will try it on drums tonight.

[JetWolf]

Bought this for my wife last night, and she absolutely loved singing it. I'm very glad Harmonix is putting chick-friendly content out on DLC.
Sigh.

1) All the songs are female-friendly. They may not be the preference of every single female, like not every song is the preference of every single male, but please. The epic generalization hurts us, precious.

2) Can we please stop using the word "chick"? I swear, these forums have made me detest that word.

I dunno. Maybe I should just make a separate post. I feel adrift in the sea sometimes around here.

[Electric_Zen]

1) All the songs are female-friendly.

I don't think that Coheed and Cambria song about burying his girlfriend alive is very female-friendly.


2) Can we please stop using the word "chick"?

OK. I'd like to see more DLC that has broad appeal to Ovarian-Americans.

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Edit: Crap, sorry for using the word 'broad'.

[Project_Mercy]

HMX already has all the feedback data they need. They know what sells and what doesn't. All people have to do to tell them what they do or don't like is just not buy the stuff they dislike. Thankfully youtube gives us a preview option.

[JetWolf]

I don't think that Coheed and Cambria song about burying his girlfriend alive is very female-friendly.
I think the music is fantastic. I think the singing style is interesting and suits the intensity of the song. When I sing it, I sing it as intended, burying my non-existent girlfriend and all.

I also sing about seeding my non-existent girl, sing about homies dissin' my non-existent girl, and hey, I also plead for my non-existent Maps to not leave because they don't love him like I love him.

Are you suggesting that songs can only be "friendly" if they have some element of relatability? Or is it, as I intended, to be about the music?

[gardz]

ovarian americans!!! nice, but still not pc enough, as it leaves out people from other nations, you racist!!! my wife, for instance, would be an ovarian-canadian, though she was born in the UK, so......:D

love this thread though, and the constructive responses I find helpful when determinning if i want to buy dlc!

[Electric_Zen]

Are you suggesting that songs can only be "friendly" if they have some element of relatability? Or is it, as I intended, to be about the music?

I'm suggesting that when an emo-prog rocker sings a juvenile fantasy about deep-sixing a girl because she didn't like him back enough, there are mysoginistic undertones a lot stronger than material you have complained about in the past on this forum.

Suggesting that the lyrical content doesn't matter because "it's all about the music", would be like me making an offensive post on this forum, and then defending it because I used an aesthetically-pleasing font.

[Ultrace]

I'm suggesting that when an emo-prog rocker sings a juvenile fantasy about deep-sixing a girl because she didn't like him back enough, there are mysoginistic undertones a lot stronger than material you have complained about in the past on this forum.

Suggesting that the lyrical content doesn't matter because "it's all about the music", would be like me making an offensive post on this forum, and then defending it because I used an aesthetically-pleasing font.
In an effort to be fair to the depravity of all sexes and genders, let's not forget that a woman could have a relationship with a woman and then want to bury her for infidelity... Or for a variety of other reasons. Certainly murder over these things is not something men have the monopoly on.

The overall point being that a song doesn't have to be all daisies and puppies for the women to sing it. If there's no issue with songs like Seven (slightly disturbed forever-stalking ex-girlfriend) or Cherry Bomb (wild delinquent/slut/whatever) being in the game and sung by women, I don't see where they would have an issue with singing Welcome Home. Just because you sing the song, and even with feeling, doesn't mean you agree with the song. Like most people can even relate to the kind of impetus behind Won't Get Fooled Again or Run to the Hills?

[Project_Mercy]

I think the important point here is that we've all decided we need more Riot Grrrl songs. ;)

[JetWolf]

I'm suggesting that when an emo-prog rocker sings a juvenile fantasy about deep-sixing a girl because she didn't like him back enough, there are mysoginistic undertones a lot stronger than material you have complained about in the past on this forum.
I'm not sure what material I've complained about in the past in this forum, but I'm not denying that the song isn't a happy rainbow of love and puppies. When it comes to playing the song in Rock Band, however, then no, the lyrical content doesn't matter to me and it is about the music. That isn't me saying I think it's okay for someone to go out and kill another for not returning affections. My enjoyment of the song and playing of it in Rock Band is not tacit approval of the song's message. No more than I assume it is for anybody else doing the same. I admit that I'm not sure of the point you're attempting to make here by bringing that up.

My original point was simply that musical preference is just that. The statement that "Roam" is "chick-friendly content", implies generalized gender-based appeal, while simultaneously implying that other material in the game lacks that gender appeal. That may in fact be true for your wife, and that's perfectly valid. It does not, however, speak to every female who plays the game. I like "Roam". I like "Run to the Hills". I like (most) everything inbetween. I doubt anyone would say that Metallica was added for "dick-friendly content", and I think it disingenuous to apply the opposite.

No one seems to have a problem believing that males have wide and varied music tastes, but when it comes to females, it seems that we're all expected to like the exact same things and are an alien species that must be specifically pandered to musically.

[silvam14]

I don't think that Coheed and Cambria song about burying his girlfriend alive is very female-friendly.

Edit: Crap, sorry for using the word 'broad'.

Hey at least a chick singing coheed and cambria sounds more like the guy in coheed and cambria than a guy singing would.

Oh, did I say chick? sorry, How does "y chromosome have-not" sound instead???

Nah, I like using chick.

[HPLabonte]

Edit: Crap, sorry for using the word 'broad'.

lol, it had me on the floor

[Electric_Zen]

No one seems to have a problem believing that males have wide and varied music tastes, but when it comes to females, it seems that we're all expected to like the exact same things and are an alien species that must be specifically pandered to musically.

I think it's an interesting discussion, but I admit that I have helped to drag this thread off-topic.

I'll just have to say that I disagree. I really enjoy Björk, but I don't get offended if someone says that dudes aren't into Björk. I don't think it is being implied or inferred that all males have the exact same taste. Most dudes just aren't into Björk.

[Dalamari]

HMX did a fantastic job with the Jan DLC, but this weeks was a bit lacking, I don't really like any of the songs

[JetWolf]

I'll just have to say that I disagree. I really enjoy Björk, but I don't get offended if someone says that dudes aren't into Björk. I don't think it is being implied or inferred that all males have the exact same taste. Most dudes just aren't into Björk.
Possibly true, but also not exactly the same thing, I don't think. A particular gender being into (or not into) specific performers is different from pigeonholing an entire gender into a very narrow definition of music and expecting them all to fit and to never move from that space.

From my observations on this forum, it comes up time and time and time again. "We need more pop for the chicks." "We need some ballads for the chicks." The implication is that not only can women not appreciate the music already in the game, but that special allowances must be made to capture their interest. I can understand wanting to incorporate more pop rock to attract fans of pop rock, but that desire does not automatically go hand-in-hand with an entire group of very different, very independent people who simply happen to share biological similarities. I admit, I'm very frustrated by the assumption that males, as a gender, can and do have wide and varied tastes, but that I as a woman am assumed to only like one or two things. It's not true and it's not right.

And with that, I'll withdraw from the thread. I've pretty much said all I can say; everything else would simply be repeating at this stage. Not all men are the same musically, and neither are all women. Keeping that in mind is all I can ask.


ETA:
Oh, and Tiberiouslb, I apologize for hijacking your thread. Next time I hit my boiling point on this issue, I'll just go make a separate post or something.

[jrinck]

I think women like the B-52s more than men do, so "Roam" is a good song to start with. I'd have chosen "Rock Lobster", but it doesn't matter, I'll be happily downloading "Roam" tonight. Hopefully "Rock Lobster" comes later.

[Project_Mercy]

http://wargod.arbitron.com/scripts/ndb/audience2.asp

More men listen to rock than women. There's the ratings company (basically the only major ratings company at this point), there's their report on it. You can check it yourself. Agreed, not everyone is created with the same desires and such.

[Quaddity]

Roam is a great song better than Love Shack/Rock Lobster for Rock Band I think mainly because it's all singing and no talking parts. Almost got We Care a Lot but there were other songs I'd rather have. Ended up buying 7 songs last night. You're welcome HMX.