Second Pedal Expansion Poll

[JarethLegend]

Since this causes so much discussion I figured we should do a poll and get some data on the subject. This is not about whether you think Harmonix could do this or will do this, but rather if it was possible would you want this. I'm referring to a second pedal which can be used for bass, hi-hat, or to play other instruments for the Rock Band drum set.

For those who don't completely know what this is; basically there is a lot of music that uses a second pedal in some form and this would allow for that music to be played in full. You might not realize it, but a lot of the music you listen to may make use of this.

[karlkaza]

I don't really know what that is.
But, if they have it I don't mind

[JarethLegend]

I don't really know what that is.
But, if they have it I don't mind

I wonder if maybe giving some examples would be helpful? I would think everyone's taste in music is extremely varied and finding one for everyone could be a bit much. I guess the easiest example of course is Metallica as they are a featured band in Rock Band and Lars plays a double bass kit. As for songs I guess most people would recognize One as a song with prominent double bass.


There is some double bass usage before, but it really starts at 4:20. Check out the drummer's feet at 4:33 and 5:03.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwW9L_qzqp8

[Udie25]

It would be cool but I don't think that I would want to pay more money from what I am hearing on what the price might be.

[JarethLegend]

It would be cool but I don't think that I would want to pay more money from what I am hearing on what the price might be.

Well that's why I consider it an expansion. It is something you could choose to purchase separately if you wanted to and the game would simply allow you to turn it on, off, or it could be used in a special mode such as an Original, Full, or Double Pedal kind of mode.

[ocfanman]

I dont mind it, as long as it wouldnt get too crazy, Im not too good with the whole feet doing one thing hands doing another

but i doubt this will happen

[Coldplayer]

As a real drummer of course I would like it. Makes it more realistic.

[G_tarRoCK3R]

Since this causes so much discussion I figured we should do a poll and get some data on the subject. This is not about whether you think Harmonix could do this or will do this, but rather if it was possible would you want this. I'm referring to a second pedal which can be used for bass, hi-hat, or to play other instruments for the Rock Band drum set.

For those who don't completely know what this is; basically there is a lot of music that uses a second pedal in some form and this would allow for that music to be played in full. You might not realize it, but a lot of the music you listen to may make use of this.

I can understand your concern fully for being a drummer and all......But honestly they have double bass pedals that have only one foot "pedal." My ex girlfriend had one, so it does work. On the other hand with the second pedal for the hi-hat......I don't think it is imperative at all but it would make it a little more realistic I suppose. How could they denote hold down the hi-hat pedal vs an open hi-hat? Using a different color I guess but then that would be more confusing. You have to think about this from the perspective of the "average" user. HMX has to create something that EVERYONE would be able to understand and master. The second pedal would become more difficult for a hi-hat, and not necessary for a double bass. My two cents :)
I voted I don't mind.

Edit: Never mind I was searching on google, and they don't have a single pedal for double bass so ignore that part in the post. Why can't you just hit the pedal twice in a row?

[JarethLegend]

I can understand your concern fully for being a drummer and all......But honestly they have double bass pedals that have only one foot "pedal." My ex girlfriend had one, so it does work. On the other hand with the second pedal for the hi-hat......I don't think it is imperative at all but it would make it a little more realistic I suppose. How could they denote hold down the hi-hat pedal vs an open hi-hat? Using a different color I guess but then that would be more confusing. You have to think about this from the perspective of the "average" user. HMX has to create something that EVERYONE would be able to understand and master. The second pedal would become more difficult for a hi-hat, and not necessary for a double bass. My two cents :)
I voted I don't mind.

I know that double bass pedals exist that can be played with one foot, but typically they are very limiting and the majority of drummers do not use them. The hi-hat could be done the way hammer-ons and pull-offs are done which are already implemented into the game so there really isn't much to change at all. I've considered this from the HMX perspective as well and I don't see any problems with any of it. Still, I'd like the answers to the poll not to reflect whether it can be done or not even though I see no problem why it can't be done.

[JarethLegend]

Edit: Never mind I was searching on google, and they don't have a single pedal for double bass so ignore that part in the post. Why can't you just hit the pedal twice in a row?

I have one of the double bass pedals I own as my avatar. Did you watch the Metallica video? I can post others if you want to see more.

Check this out.
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/navigation/double-drum-pedals-and-drum-hardware?N=100001+304874

Also, most drummers with larger sets have two bass drums and just use a single pedal for each such as Lars in the Metallica video.

Double pedals allow you to play faster and more complicate rhythms that you couldn't with one. Two feet of course can do more than one.

Edit: Oh were you refering to the Dualist or Sonor Giant Step Twin Effect Pedal? I personally prefer the Sonor one as you have more control, but again they are more limiting than normal double bass pedals.

Dualist
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/navigation/duallist-drum-pedals-drum-pedals?N=100001+304797+202228

Sonor Twin Effect

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Sonor-Giant-Step-Twin-Effect-Pedal?sku=449553

Check this out!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NGPoJlc-mw

[newwaytodie]

Modern Rock is very reliant on double kick pedals, so I would imagine the devs are limiting themselves by not including the option. That's why I voted yes.

Unless of course they are working around that problem in the gameplay design deparment.

[mohkilla]

hell yeah, alot of bands specially Metallica as well as others in Rock band use double pedal

[travmeatwad]

Ugh.. when is this whole pedal thing going to stop?!

[JarethLegend]

Ugh.. when is this whole pedal thing going to stop?!

Well I wanted to condense it into one thread with a poll, but the fact of the matter is that it will never stop as it is a large part of drumming, especially in rock and metal. Like both those genres; it will never die!

[mohkilla]

Well I wanted to condense it into one thread with a poll, but the fact of the matter is that it will never stop as it is a large part of drumming, especially in rock and metal. Like both those genres; it will never die!


amen to that, its only the truth, and if the people in rock band try to find songs to add to this game that dont have double pedal, their band list will be very limited as many many bands use it not only in metal but in other genres aswell

[_GABO_]

I wouldn't exactly hate it, but as an expansion, I wouldn't buy it.

[Dirge07]

Since I'm trying to learn drums and what I like to play pretty much requires it, I would love if they added a second pedal to the set. It'd be best as an expansion though...

[ThePaska]

I feel fairly indifferent when I think about the need for a 2nd pedal. I think that if it was really necessary Harmonix would have included it in the original build of the drums. Also I don't know if the drums will be able to support a pedal exansion, and there is no way I'm buying a whole new set of drums.

[JarethLegend]

I feel fairly indifferent when I think about the need for a 2nd pedal. I think that if it was really necessary Harmonix would have included it in the original build of the drums. Also I don't know if the drums will be able to support a pedal exansion, and there is no way I'm buying a whole new set of drums.

That really isn't the point of the poll, but I would think Harmonix has thought about this. Whether they would include some sort of expansion port or not is, of course, up to them. The point though is whether people think it is a good idea outside of the whole implementation aspect. I think a large problem with this topic is that non-drummers don't completely understand the entire purpose or need for a second pedal.

[parastroke7]

Some facts to consider for people who don't know already.

1. ) Using a hi-hat is difficult, but would not HAVE to be included in the notes if you didn't have a second pedal expansion plugged in.
2. ) Not all double bass consists of two hits. It can exist in the form of sextuplets, it can be for the majority of the song ( like Beast and the Harlot ), or it can be more complex for most people to comprehend ( see "Native Metal" by Virgil Donati )
3. ) It's an Expansion. Nobody is forcing you to buy it. It's just for those who want to take the experience farther.
4. ) For those who do play drums, their fun-factor will be a tad limited when they see how much could have been done with two pedals.
5. ) Not all drum parts can be played on one pedal that isn't a twin effect pedal. Most can be played (if they consider double hits that are spaced apart) but anything else will take a lot of effort and practice, more than non-drummers would care about.

I'm done. but it's not as stupid of an idea as everyone makes it sound.

[parastroke7]

That really isn't the point of the poll, but I would think Harmonix has thought about this. Whether they would include some sort of expansion port or not is, of course, up to them. The point though is whether people think it is a good idea outside of the whole implementation aspect. I think a large problem with this topic is that non-drummers don't completely understand the entire purpose or need for a second pedal.

"I think a large problem with this topic is that non-drummers don't completely understand the entire purpose or need for a second pedal."

Pretty much. I apologize for the double post, but those words need to be in big red letters. I'm confident that it's pretty much the truth.

[newwaytodie]

It's not a stupid idea. It's a totally valid concern, and if they fail to realize it then I fear Rock Band might be too easy.

I'm a guitarist but occasionally I like to dick around on drums (I suck) but having a second pedal greatly increases the range that drummers have.

Keeping rhythm with four pads and a kick pedal isn't seeming that hard to me right now. I could be totally wrong, but I am really looking forward to drumming on RB because I know it will be a challenge.

[newwaytodie]

"I think a large problem with this topic is that non-drummers don't completely understand the entire purpose or need for a second pedal."

Pretty much. I apologize for the double post, but those words need to be in big red letters. I'm confident that it's pretty much the truth.

I think a large problem with this topic is that non-drummers don't completely understand the entire purpose or need for a second pedal

How's that? :rolleyes:

[parastroke7]

HAHA. Can I stick you on my friend's list? That maked me happy.

[newwaytodie]

Sure, I must warn you though... I am somewhat hated.

[parastroke7]

Sure, I must warn you though... I am somewhat hated.

Bah. I care not. I don't hate many people.

but apart from that...

I think that JarethLegend should be the first to create a second-pedal mod, then give everyone else who gives a rat's kiester the instructions on how to do it. THAT is what I think.

[cmg4894]

First, I'm not a drummer. I've been playing guitar for over 13 years. Second, a double kick would be great. I have been wanting to learn the drums for some time now but never had the room or cash for a set. If this game DOES teach you how to play I would be very happy. I think it would be a mod for RB and included as an expansion in RBII.

[johnyringo04]

a second bass pedal is most for sure needed. how else are we supposed to play metal with out a double bass. the two big metal songs on guitar hero2 had a double bass. six, the light that blinds. listen to the songs and you will hear a very fast bass that could never be played with one pedal. yes for the double bass!!!

[bchaps]

talking about double bassing
that would be cool
but not many people can double bass as fast as real bands

[parastroke7]

This is a valid point. and this is, once again, why we have difficulty levels.

[JarethLegend]

I think that JarethLegend should be the first to create a second-pedal mod, then give everyone else who gives a rat's kiester the instructions on how to do it. THAT is what I think.

I'll be giving the mod a try, but if I don't get a mod done fast enough I'm sure someone else will. I doubt I'll be the only one working on it. The only problem with the mod is that no songs will support double pedal in the first place, so I don't know how useful it would be. Not without some method of creating your own songs for the game at least. That's why I think it's really up to Harmonix to decide the fate of the double pedal.

[FreQstar]

I voted "I don't mind" since it's not something I think I would buy (I'm not a drummer so 4 pads and a pedal are probably more than enough for me), but like any idea that would be optional and probably not use up a lot of development resources, I see no reason to be opposed to it.

I don't know a lot about drumming but a second pedal seems like it would add more of a touch of "realism" to the controllers then the FX switch or whammy bar does. When I first thought about what a second pedal would mean to the game I thought of it being like adding a 6th fret button but really it's probably more like how they added the 5 closer fret buttons. Not so much something that just adds difficulty but ads realism with the possibility of a higher challenge (unless the 5 extra frets are mandatory for solo's and not optional for ho/po's as i think they are the later).

Hey you never know they may even add an attachable "slap pad" for the bass guitar purists out there or even an "Ego-ometer" for the singers.