Is Led Zeppelin over hyped?

[Julio-Claudius]

Is it just me or is Led Zeppelin over hyped just a wee bit? In my opinion, they're a good rock band, but seriously, they are not the end-all be-all of music like most people say. They did have quite a few good rock songs (Houses of the Holy, Trampled Under Foot, OTHAFA, Achilles Last Stand), but the song they are most known for (Stairway:rolleyes: ) is not that great, it's about getting high for God's sake...

Anyone with me?

[Rev0lver]

of course i think they're good, but not THAT great to be considered one of the best bands ever.

[Eman311]

No I am not with you.

They have several solid tunes, and played a major role in shaping music during their time.

They deserve all the credit they can get.

Stairway, however, i agree is an overrated song, albeit still a good one.

[Julio-Claudius]

Led Zeppelin are ranked No. 1 on VH1's list of the 100 greatest artists of hard rock. They beat out Black Sabbath. Are you f*cking kidding me?

[newwaytodie]

If by "a few good" rock songs, you mean, like, "the most amazing collection of songs from any one artist on the planet past, present, or future" then yeah. They'd still be under-rated.

More people would say the Beatles are the best rock band ever.

[freakonate]

Led Zeppelin bores the crap outta me. They've always bored the crap outta me.
Stairway to Boredom anyone? :p ::::Yawn:::

[ThePaska]

I don't really think they are that over hyped. I can only think of a handful of bands that have done as much for music and are as good. They deserve the recognition they get.

[gh2masterwellalmost]

Led Zeppelin are ranked No. 1 on VH1's list of the 100 greatest artists of hard rock. They beat out Black Sabbath. Are you f*cking kidding me?

oh yh... cos Black Sabbath are good (EXTREME COUGHS)

I wont say anymore, cos ill be adding fuel to the already very powerful fire of FLAMING!

[Julio-Claudius]

oh yh... cos Black Sabbath are good (EXTREME COUGHS)

I wont say anymore, cos ill be adding fuel to the already very powerful fire of FLAMING!
:rolleyes:

Sabbath, Priest, and Maiden are the founding fathers of heavy metal.

[gh2masterwellalmost]

:rolleyes:

Sabbath, Priest, and Maiden are the founding fathers of heavy metal.

Yes. Because heavy metal is the best type of rock. :rolleyes:

[trevordude_24]

what are you talking about led zeppelin is one of the best bands ever, they have a ton of good songs... who cares if its about getting high.... 90% of rock is like that

[newwaytodie]

Not all of it, some of it is about Tolkien.

Fantasy Literature + Rock = Brilliant.

[Phrank-E]

The thing about Zeppelin is that every album they did was a bit different than the last. They (Jimmy) experimented alot with different scales and the like. And like the wife says... It doesn't much matter what kinda mood she's in, there is a perfect song to go along with it.

Not to many bands can put out over a decades worth of albums and not have them all sound alike cough*AC/DC*cough. Or go from good as hell to lousy as **** overnight, cough*Metallica*cough

[newwaytodie]

Houses of the Holy is so good. I listened to it, and then listened to LZ1 back to back, and it's just so amazing how different they sound.

[Julio-Claudius]

Houses of the Holy is so good. I listened to it, and then listened to LZ1 back to back, and it's just so amazing how different they sound.
Agree. I still have the vinyl record and I'm getting it framed. But I wonder how I'll explain why I have a picture of naked children framed in my room to Mister Roeper.:(

[Julio-Claudius]

Not all of it, some of it is about Tolkien.

Fantasy Literature + Rock = power metal
FIXEDED!!!

[Rockerman]

nope.Do not agree with you.Zepplin deserves all the credit they get because every song they made was genius,kinda like Sabbath and the beatles:cool:

[aku_chi]

In my opinion, Stairway To Heaven is underrated. Stairway To Heaven is the greatest song ever made and ever will be made. There are so many ways to interpret the song; it is utterly foolish to assume it is "about getting high". The lyrics are incredibly powerful ("Our shadows taller than our souls", "Yes there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on"). The musical build-up is excellently measured and performed. The song is a journey and it should not be interrupted, started partway, or in any other way disrupted. The guitar feature in the instrumental segment in the sixth minute of the song is fantastic.

Beyond that, Led Zeppelin has some other great/good songs throughout their lifespan. From "Rock and Roll" to "Since I've Been Loving You" to "The Song Remains the Same" to "Achilles Last Stand"; it's all pretty solid. Overrated, I think not.

[Julio-Claudius]

In my opinion, Stairway To Heaven is underrated. Stairway To Heaven is the greatest song ever made and ever will be made. There are so many ways to interpret the song; it is utterly foolish to assume it is "about getting high". The lyrics are incredibly powerful ("Our shadows taller than our souls", "Yes there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on"). The musical build-up is excellently measured and performed. The song is a journey and it should not be interrupted, started partway, or in any other way disrupted. The guitar feature in the instrumental segment in the sixth minute of the song is fantastic.
-_-

If there's a bustle in your hedgerow, don't be alarmed now. Yup, that's some deep **** there.

He says there's a lady that's BUYING a stairway to HEAVEN. The stairway is obviously the drugs themselves and "heaven" is the high you get.

[Hade01]

Yes. Because heavy metal is the best type of rock. :rolleyes:

I thought you'd come around. :p

[Julio-Claudius]

Yes. Because heavy metal is the best type of rock. :rolleyes:
This here's what we call a "Foghat fan."

[ThePaska]

Not all of it, some of it is about Tolkien.

Fantasy Literature + Rock = Brilliant.

Only the best Rock songs involve Tolkien!

[the_polite_force]

1. wuts wrong with foghat??
2. metal isn't the greatest genre of music
3. i thought in order to have hype it couldn't be released yet?? this point is just nitpicking cuz i would have used the phrase "over-rated" instead of over hyped
4. led zeppelin are definitely over rated but that doesn't mean they aren't a fantastic band which they are
5. black sabbath owns go to hell whoever claimed black sabbath blew
6. beatles are the best band ever :D

[ShardsOfNarsil]

Kudos to you guys who are loving Zep. They are in no way overhyped, in fact, they're underrated. All that about them plaigerizing songs and selling their souls to the devil is a bunch of crap, no matter how nicely you dress it up. I'm pretty used to people dissing them. I read a post some "Matty" guy did once, where he described in great detail that if he lined up his albums in chronological order, the color schemes represent Zep's descension into "Hell" and then their abysmal climb back to redemption. Also, he states that at the end of the 4th album, which is supposed to be the last album before "Hell" (Houses of the Holy, it's bright orange exterior) Robert Plant says "Going down, Goind down now" and Matty raved and swore up and down that "You can barely hear it, you may have to be in a questionable state of mine, if you know what I mean, to hear it, but it's there! He's talking about Zep going to HELL!!"

I dunno about you guys, but I've known that that was there since I first started listening to Zeppelin. And I've never done drugs in my life. It's simply a common blues phrase, kind of like an "Oh yeah" or a "C'mon"--words that songwriters throw in for the hell of it.

Like I said. No matter how nicely you dress it up, it's still a bunch of crap. Some people like to wave the old "they sold their souls to the devil" flag because #1.) It's mainstream! and secondly, because I believe that some people have a hard time believing that Zep were that amazing on their own. Hate to break it to you, but they were. You have to understand them to appreciate what fantastic musicians and lyricists they were. You cannot be the kind of person to say "Yeah, I've heard 'Stairway' Led Zeppelin is pretty cool" and call yourself a fan or even begin to appreciate their music. And Stairway to Heaven is not about getting high, it's a wonderfully written, beautiful song about life.

"If there's a bustle in your hedgerow, don't be alarmed now" is talking about how in life, things change, and when they do, don't be alarmed, because it's natural and inevitable and is the only way to really live and grow. And "she's buying a stairway to heaven" represents someone who is trying to find an easy way out, afterall, like I said, this song is about LIFE, and sometimes LIFE IS TOUGH, and the particular person mentioned is buying a stairway in order to get where they're going quickly after they've done their time on earth.

Not satisfied? Read the lyrics to the Battle of Evermore, or Hey Hey What Can I do, or Ramble On. That should cure your "I don't know if I am confident in Led Zeppelin's songwriting abilities" blues.

So after all this well written and mild mannered gobbledygook, let me ruin it all and sign off by saying Led Zeppelin is God and if you don't think so then in the immortal words of Monty Python, "**** off, you son of a silly person and go boil your bottom elsewhere!"

Haha, thanks.

-Cheyloe

[Absolute1999]

Kudos to you guys who are loving Zep. They are in no way overhyped, in fact, they're underrated. All that about them plaigerizing songs and selling their souls to the devil is a bunch of crap, no matter how nicely you dress it up. I'm pretty used to people dissing them. I read a post some "Matty" guy did once, where he described in great detail that if he lined up his albums in chronological order, the color schemes represent Zep's descension into "Hell" and then their abysmal climb back to redemption. Also, he states that at the end of the 4th album, which is supposed to be the last album before "Hell" (Houses of the Holy, it's bright orange exterior) Robert Plant says "Going down, Goind down now" and Matty raved and swore up and down that "You can barely hear it, you may have to be in a questionable state of mine, if you know what I mean, to hear it, but it's there! He's talking about Zep going to HELL!!"

I dunno about you guys, but I've known that that was there since I first started listening to Zeppelin. And I've never done drugs in my life. It's simply a common blues phrase, kind of like an "Oh yeah" or a "C'mon"--words that songwriters throw in for the hell of it.

Like I said. No matter how nicely you dress it up, it's still a bunch of crap. Some people like to wave the old "they sold their souls to the devil" flag because #1.) It's mainstream! and secondly, because I believe that some people have a hard time believing that Zep were that amazing on their own. Hate to break it to you, but they were. You have to understand them to appreciate what fantastic musicians and lyricists they were. You cannot be the kind of person to say "Yeah, I've heard 'Stairway' Led Zeppelin is pretty cool" and call yourself a fan or even begin to appreciate their music. And Stairway to Heaven is not about getting high, it's a wonderfully written, beautiful song about life.

"If there's a bustle in your hedgerow, don't be alarmed now" is talking about how in life, things change, and when they do, don't be alarmed, because it's natural and inevitable and is the only way to really live and grow. And "she's buying a stairway to heaven" represents someone who is trying to find an easy way out, afterall, like I said, this song is about LIFE, and sometimes LIFE IS TOUGH, and the particular person mentioned is buying a stairway in order to get where they're going quickly after they've done their time on earth.

Not satisfied? Read the lyrics to the Battle of Evermore, or Hey Hey What Can I do, or Ramble On. That should cure your "I don't know if I am confident in Led Zeppelin's songwriting abilities" blues.

So after all this well written and mild mannered gobbledygook, let me ruin it all and sign off by saying Led Zeppelin is God and if you don't think so then in the immortal words of Monty Python, "**** off, you son of a silly person and go boil your bottom elsewhere!"

Haha, thanks.

-Cheyloe


Yay, go Cheyloe.
We're going to totally own these peeps in Rock Band scores when we get the game this November....
You on Vocals, and Drums. and Me on Guitar.... Woot. we will own.
Love You,
Ronnie.

[Kang_Zircon]

A bunch of crazy stuff about Zeppelin going to hell...

So...ummmm.......Is your friend some kind of conspiracy theorist/fundamentalis christian? I've seriously never heard anything like that in my life.

Anyway, I don't see how Zeppelin is really over-hyped. Where exactly are they being hyped, cause I'd like to hear what's being said... Are you upset about that one VH1 list? Because, I've never heard of any top 10/100/whatever list that wasn't complete garbage. They are an utter waste of time and thought and aren't worth getting upset about.

[monlienNH3]

I'm not the biggest Zeppelin fan (though I do like them), but they are certainly not over-rated. You have to look at older bands with perspective. Led Zeppelin were revolutionary to rock - along with quite a few artists at the time. Bands that change music for the better can never be over-rated in my opinion.

[Julio-Claudius]

"If there's a bustle in your hedgerow, don't be alarmed now" is talking about how in life, things change, and when they do, don't be alarmed, because it's natural and inevitable and is the only way to really live and grow. And "she's buying a stairway to heaven" represents someone who is trying to find an easy way out, afterall, like I said, this song is about LIFE, and sometimes LIFE IS TOUGH, and the particular person mentioned is buying a stairway in order to get where they're going quickly after they've done their time on earth.
Actually, those words mean nothing. Robert Plant improvised when he wrote Stairway to Heaven. And that is merely your interpretation.

[IbanezBassist_v2]

Led Zeppelin bores the crap outta me. They've always bored the crap outta me.
Stairway to Boredom anyone? :p ::::Yawn:::

Maybe its not Zeppelin, but you who is boring. Contemplate that one freak.

[CrazyIvan]

I personally love Zeppelin, and completely respect their place in rock history. They are among my elite pantheon of bands that can "do no wrong" in my eyes.

That being said, there are definitely some Zeppelin songs that are highly overrated. Or if not overrated, HIGHLY overplayed. They have a nearly endless selection of truly amazing songs to choose from, and you still only hear 5 or 6 on the radio/commercials/movies. I mean, c'mon! Hell, some of their best songs are their B sides.

So to those that trash on Zeppelin, I say check out their entire collection. Not their "greatest hits", and definitely not the radio songs. You'll come around.

[Desensitized]

This here's what we call a "Foghat fan."
I don't care for metal OR Foghat. So there goes that theory.

I tend to think everything after IV is underrated, really. The only song anybody mentions is 'Kashmir' from those albums.

[Julio-Claudius]

I tend to think everything after IV is underrated, really. The only song anybody mentions is 'Kashmir' from those albums.
I agree with this, Houses of the Holy is my favorite Zep album.

[WingsOfSteel]

Houses of the Holy is amazing, but I don't find it as consistent as Led Zeppelin II. Awfully close, though.

[Phrank-E]

Let me translate what the OP said...

"The entire rock world loves this band so I'll go on record as not loving it so now I'm cool"

[Julio-Claudius]

Let me translate what the OP said...

"The entire rock world loves this band so I'll go on record as not loving it so now I'm cool"
:rolleyes:

I DO love Led Zeppelin. But they are NOT God, and they are not the end all, be all of music. Anything else?

[the_polite_force]

ya i agree wit chu julio cesar

[gh2masterwellalmost]

I thought you'd come around. :p

ahem.. yh... course i did:rolleyes:

[Elvis_L]

I respect them and do enjoy many of their songs but IMO there are dozens of better bands and tons of them form that same era. Honestly The Who are substantially better in all areas to me but who really cares what I think, That is the beauty of music. We can all enjoy whomever we like. Many truly great bands are never even popular.

[RiffMeister]

For Hard Rock.... Zeppelin are KING !

If you want pop rock, or sugar pop-rock rock, or Beatle harmonies.....
Then look elsewhere.

Houses of the Holy is my least favorite Zeppelin album... AS IT WAS RECORDED!!!!!!

The songs from HOTH as performed live are really fantastic though....

[Tybodsm]

Personally, they are one of my favorite bands and I think they're very much underrated. Like it was said before, all people hear is a few songs here and there and never really get an idea of a lot of the awesome stuff that they've done. Though some songs are definitely overplayed, most of their songs are severely under-played.

[the_polite_force]

i still fail to see how a band who is as highly regarded by many people for better or for worse is underrated. when you're constantly topping "best of" lists i think they shouldnt' be considered as underrated.

[Phrank-E]

:rolleyes:

I DO love Led Zeppelin. But they are NOT God, and they are not the end all, be all of music. Anything else?

So exactly what does "The end all, Be all of music" mean. Seems kinda harsh to ***** about something that is only in your mind. What is the source for this? I never heard anyone claim they were the "The end all, Be all of music" till you showed up. Who called them God other than some of thier biggest fans.. I've heard People call Lemme God, Should I post about how overhyped and overrated he is because they said that? No, I don't think so. Led Zeppelin is a huge deal. This is a fact. Some would opine that they think they are their particular "The end all, Be all of music." Fact is NO ONE is the be all, end all of anything.


And how come everyone wants to come in here and dress down a band like The Beatles, Or Zeppelin or any other huge acts that changed the face of music.. But no one ever posts a Strawberry Alarm Clock sucks thread?

It's because it isn't cool to be contrarian when the subject matter is little known or cared about. So we have to put up with "AC/DC sucks and is overrated" threads all the time. It got seriously old at the GHOF and is getting old here.

It is one thing to debate whether this song or that song from a career would be best. It's another just to flame band after band for no reason..

Only thing needing flames are Emo and Cock Rock.....

TYVM

[newwaytodie]

So we have to put up with "AC/DC sucks and is overrated" threads all the time. It got seriously old at the GHOF and is getting old here.

I found that out after one post.

[Julio-Claudius]

So exactly what does "The end all, Be all of music" mean. Seems kinda harsh to ***** about something that is only in your mind.
How about almost every person that comments on a Led Zeppelin video on Youtube? Led Zeppelin is not God. God is God. Led Zeppelin is a band.


It's because it isn't cool to be contrarian when the subject matter is little known or cared about.
Don't put words in my mouth. I don't say Led Zeppelin is overrated because it is cool. I say that because it is my OPINION. I am allowed to have a ****ing opinion. Don't interpret it otherwise.

I think it's time to let this thread die because too many ******s are trying to put words in my mouth.

[the_polite_force]

fact is when it comes to bands like this you will always have your fanatics come in here and flame you and say overall stupid **** "LIKE OMG UR ******ED ZEPPELIN IS GODZ". while i believe in allowing people to say their opinions, with bands like zeppelin and beatles which are touchy subjects its best not to say it cuz u know its gonna turn into a flame war. unfortunately thats just the way it has to be. i mean look at the beatles thread that thread is basically 10 pages of one guy saying **** the beatles and **** your opinion and otehr people saying "**** u and ur opinion beatles are godz"

[newwaytodie]

I think it's time to let this thread die because too many ******s are trying to put words in my mouth.

Yeah, lesson learned.


with bands like zeppelin and beatles which are touchy subjects its best not to say it cuz u know its gonna turn into a flame war.

Or NIN. God help you if you don't like NIN.

[lithiumkc]

Yeah, lesson learned.



Or NIN. God help you if you don't like NIN.

My god.. it's been weeks since that thread and youre still sidestepping the point.

It's not about you not liking NiN.

It's about you BASHING MUSIC. It could have been any band, it's not the fact that it's NiN. It's the fact that you dedicated a thread to bashing a band, which is ******ed.

That's it. That's the point. Stop acting like it was ever something other than that.

Other small issues included 'Computer programs arent talent' and 'Trent Reznors only good cause he has money to buy expensive software'.

But mainly, just that you were bashing a band for the sake of bashing a band, publicly, with a yes or no poll. It's called trolling. Deal with it.

p.s. stop acting like a victim, kthx

[Julio-Claudius]

My god.. it's been weeks since that thread and youre still sidestepping the point.

It's not about you not liking NiN.

It's about you BASHING MUSIC. It could have been any band, it's not the fact that it's NiN. It's the fact that you dedicated a thread to bashing a band, which is ******ed.

That's it. That's the point. Stop acting like it was ever something other than that.

Other small issues included 'Computer programs arent talent' and 'Trent Reznors only good cause he has money to buy expensive software'.

But mainly, just that you were bashing a band for the sake of bashing a band, publicly, with a yes or no poll. It's called trolling. Deal with it.

p.s. stop acting like a victim, kthx
newwaytodie better get in a snappy comeback because this thread has run it's course and I'm gonna ask to lock it.

[lithiumkc]

Theres nothing to come back with. Those are facts.

[Phrank-E]

Aw C'mon Julio.... You knew full well where this thread was headed when you started it.. Now we are pulling the opinion card out. I'm not putting words in your mouth. I am commenting on every single band basher out there.

So tell us who the all time, be all, end all band is we SHOULD be worshipping so we can get on board with your superior knowledge of music. We should have the right to follow you blindly and only listen to the one band you deem worthy.... Right?

If 9 out of every 10 people rate LZ as the best band ever ... then maybe they are. You can't argue with numbers.. Math is hard science.

[the_polite_force]

or maybe those 9 people share the same opinion and polls shouldn't be taken as fact.

unless u were being sarcastic about hte poll thing then whatevor i dont' care

[Kang_Zircon]

Being popular doesn't make something good. Being voted for doesn't make something the best either. Look at elected officials, and popular music/tv today....

Also, don't pay attention to anything, anyone says on youtube. If it's not something like "oooh <3<3<3<3 lulZ!!! thy r G0dZZ!!11" then it's usually people calling each other ****, ******, or something racist.

[Julio-Claudius]

Aw C'mon Julio.... You knew full well where this thread was headed when you started it.. Now we are pulling the opinion card out. I'm not putting words in your mouth. I am commenting on every single band basher out there.

So tell us who the all time, be all, end all band is we SHOULD be worshipping so we can get on board with your superior knowledge of music. We should have the right to follow you blindly and only listen to the one band you deem worthy.... Right?

If 9 out of every 10 people rate LZ as the best band ever ... then maybe they are. You can't argue with numbers.. Math is hard science.
Where do you get your statistics from? Asshat Weekly?

There are no bands you should worship. And you WERE putting words in my mouth. I was not bashing Led Zeppelin. I like them. My opinion of the band, their fame, and their members comes second to the music they make.

Case in point, if Metallica started to grow their hair to cover 3/5 of their face, wear tight jeans and knitted sweaters, and started Myspacing every hour, I would not stop listening to their music, because their looks and fame are besides the point.

Oh, and how are you doing with that aneurism?

[ShardsOfNarsil]

Haha. Opinions are like *******s. Everyone's got one, but nobody necessarily wants to hear it.

Nice job Phrank-E, I couldn't have said it better myself.

[Julio-Claudius]

Haha. Opinions are like *******s. Everyone's got one, but nobody necessarily wants to hear it.
How can you hear *******s? :confused:

[Phrank-E]

Mine can be heard daily.. ask the wife.. Smells too. :P

[ConsoleCoWBoY]

This reminds me of that Beatles thread... so pointless and utterly pathetic attempts at starting flame wars over groups/songs/etc/etc/so forth/so forth... :(

Here's something to calm all the children down, since they need a nap now, so chill and check out:
<object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/xG2lTB-UVvs"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/xG2lTB-UVvs" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed></object>

And yes - this WAS a real song! Doctor D FTW!!!11!!1! :D

~Synergy~

[lithiumkc]

lulz go demento

[Julio-Claudius]

Why don't you just let this thread instead of *****ing about it like a child then?

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

Is it just me or is Led Zeppelin over hyped just a wee bit? In my opinion, they're a good rock band, but seriously, they are not the end-all be-all of music like most people say. They did have quite a few good rock songs (Houses of the Holy, Trampled Under Foot, OTHAFA, Achilles Last Stand), but the song they are most known for (Stairway:rolleyes: ) is not that great, it's about getting high for God's sake...

Anyone with me?

No, nobody is with you. Good luck living alone for the rest of your life for saying that.

[Julio-Claudius]

No, nobody is with you. Good luck living alone for the rest of your life for saying that.
You only bumped this because you were being an immature ass in another thread. Go kill yourself.

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

You only bumped this because you were being an immature ass in another thread. Go kill yourself.

I bumped this because it was in the list, douche bag.

You are just mad because you are going to hell for not liking Zeppelin.

[Julio-Claudius]

I bumped this because it was in the list, douche bag.

You are just mad because you are going to hell for not liking Zeppelin.
I DO like Led Zeppelin. I've made that very clear in this thread. I just think they're a tad overrated.

[the_polite_force]

for christ's sake someone let me be mod and threads like this will be closed.

lavatory stfu ur obviously just one of those huge fans (or maybe fanboy?) so nothing u can say in this thread will have any merit at all.

oh and i'm with julio, zep are a fantastic band but when people claim them to be gods and all this other crap, thats when it stops

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

Wow, for being the polite force, you are pretty rude.

Liking one or two songs doesnt qualify you as liking a band.

Then you and Julio can go to the desert and get lost, cuz neither of you know what you are saying. Of the 70s heavy bands, no contest, Led Zeppelin is right up there in the pantheon. You guys dont think so, well, too bad. You have no taste whatsoever.

I hate it when somebody comes along and starts defending people. WHat is he, your girlfriend? Cant you just agree with him without having to fight his battles?

[Julio-Claudius]

Wow, for being the polite force, you are pretty rude.

Liking one or two songs doesnt qualify you as liking a band.

Then you and Julio can go to the desert and get lost, cuz neither of you know what you are saying. Of the 70s heavy bands, no contest, Led Zeppelin is right up there in the pantheon. You guys dont think so, well, too bad. You have no taste whatsoever.
Wow, you know nothing. Houses of the Holy is one of my favorite albums. And I DO think Led Zeppelin would be "right up there in the pantheon." But when people start calling them Gods and the best band of all genres of music, I start to disagree.

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

Wow, you know nothing. Houses of the Holy is one of my favorite albums. And I DO think Led Zeppelin would be "right up there in the pantheon." But when people start calling them Gods and the best band of all genres of music, I start to disagree.

Well, they can be gods. Whats the problem with god-hood?

I know what you mean, but man, what can I say? I dont think they are overrated. Maybe people can exaggerate from time to time, but that doesnt constitute being overrated.

So I guess the point of this little charade we call a discussion is that I disagree. And your original post is not that well written. You say that they are overrated a bit, implying you like em but people overreact, but then you say, they're a good rock band, which implies they were just another band, not really contributing anything. All Im saying is that you throw people off a bit.

And saying Stairway is not great, one of the main reasons being its about getting high.....what kind of a reason is that?

By the way, I didnt grow up with Led Zeppelin, I mean, Im not american, i grew up listening to other things, but maybe its just me (and you may say its just me getting me back for what I first said in the thread), but Stairway is not about drugs. Isnt it about a greedy woman or something?

[Julio-Claudius]

Well, they can be gods. Whats the problem with god-hood?

I know what you mean, but man, what can I say? I dont think they are overrated. Maybe people can exaggerate from time to time, but that doesnt constitute being overrated.

So I guess the point of this little charade we call a discussion is that I disagree. And your original post is not that well written.
This comes from a man that wrote this....


**** AC/DC!

I love AC DC, but for the purposes of my argument, **** them.

Hey, ******, ALL those names I mentioned are current names, moron. Saying they arent just means you dont know who the **** they are, do you? SO dont talk to me like YOU know ****. The only ones there that are older are Dickinson, Halford, and Dio.

Yes, thats what dominates radio rock music. Not Metal, you dumbass. And I dont even trust you to name good power Metal bands anyway.

And to both you douchebags, METALCORE IS NOT METAL. Metalcore is not accepted as a Metal subgenre by REAL Metal fans, so all these screamo mother****ers can shove it up their asses. The only metal thing in it is in the name, and thats only because they are a bunch of whiny, teenage POSERS!

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

This comes from a man that wrote this....

So, what are you saying? I went off on you, yes.

Did I deny it? No, so excuse me for being brain damaged, but I have NO idea what you are trying to tell me.

Besides, wasnt that in another thread?

[Julio-Claudius]

So, what are you saying? I went off on you, yes.

Did I deny it? No, so excuse me for being brain damaged, but I have NO idea what you are trying to tell me.
Yeah, that's because you have no brain and can't figure out that you have nothing better to do than annoy other people on the internet.

[the_polite_force]

the polite force is an album douchebag. lol @ u assuming i know only 2 songs by this band. i have everything from their studio albums to live albums to b-sides yet i only know 2 songs??

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

Yeah, that's because you have no brain and can't figure out that you have nothing better to do than annoy other people on the internet.

I called myself brain damaged so you lost ground.

And actually, its true. Im here cuz I got bored.

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

the polite force is an album douchebag. lol @ u assuming i know only 2 songs by this band. i have everything from their studio albums to live albums to b-sides yet i only know 2 songs??

I dont listen to prog rock. Ive been meaning to get into it, but probably I wont go past Rush and their best albums (according to a friend of mine who was tutoring me on what Rush albums to get). So excuse me.

Just so you know, just as you are rude, Im not really a lavatory love machine. I suck with women. They wont touch me in the bedroom, so in the bathroom its more improbable.

[the_polite_force]

who doesn't make sweet luv in a bathroom

by the way how am the rude one when you walk in here saying that julio is going to hell cuz he doesn't think of zeppelin as musical gods, and that people are *** cuz they stick up for someone who has the same opinion, or automatically assuming because doesn't have the same opinion as you they automatically dont' knwo wut they're talking about?? before you go calling other people rude look at yourself mister

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

who doesn't make sweet luv in a bathroom

by the way how am the rude one when you walk in here saying that julio is going to hell cuz he doesn't think of zeppelin as musical gods, and that people are *** cuz they stick up for someone who has the same opinion, or automatically assuming because doesn't have the same opinion as you they automatically dont' knwo wut they're talking about?? before you go calling other people rude look at yourself mister

Im wasnt being rude. Hell doesnt exist, so my insult had no grounds. Therefore, it gets nullified. Dont you agree?

I dont mind people agreeing with him. Its ok. What I dont like is when I get into a discussion with someone, and along comes somebody else, defending him. Agreeing and defending is not the same thing. I like when people come along and say "shut the **** up both of you"

I usually go out on people saying they dont know what they are talking about, and its because its true. I hate people that talk about stuff they know nothing about. Which is not what I was doing here. I do admit, I judged the OP harshly at first, but who cares?

[Phrank-E]

All I know is that if Zep got together for a worldwide Stadium tour with tickets ranging in the area of 300-400 bucks each they would sell out every show.... And that with them not making albums together in decades... If that doesn't make them Rock Gods then what will?

[the_polite_force]

that just makes them legends. the only rock gods are the beatles, black sabbath, and king crimson :D

[WingsOfSteel]

I have a confession.

I don't really have wings. And they're certainly not made of steel.

[the_polite_force]

you ****ing LIAR. i believed in you :(

[sushi111]

that just makes them legends. the only rock gods are the beatles, black sabbath, and king crimson :D


Pfft, Zeppelin is better than Sabbath.

[WingsOfSteel]

Easily. Maiden > Sabbath too, IMO.

[the_polite_force]

nah zeppelin are puppy dogs compared to sabbath as well as maiden

[Rockerman]

I think its tie with Sabbath and Zeppelin.Both bands changed the music industry forever by creating two new generes of music.(Sabbath with Metal and Zepp with Hard-Rock,you know before the Beatles made the white album)
And I said it once and I'll say it again.Led Zeppelin is not overly hyped.

[battle_axe_of_doom]

I think its tie with Sabbath and Zeppelin.Both bands changed the music industry forever by creating two new generes of music.(Sabbath with Metal and Zepp with Hard-Rock,you know before the Beatles made the white album)
And I said it once and I'll say it again.Led Zeppelin is not overly hyped.

since when did led zeppelin pre-date the white album??

[lithiumkc]

overhyped.. overrated.. these terms don't have anything to do with the music itself, its commentary on the general opinion of the music. I hate those terms and when somebody says a band is 'overrated'.. so? So what if the public idolizes them, that shouldn't affect your personal opinion of the music :rolleyes:

No, theyre not overhyped. They were a good band, jimmy page was an excellent guitarist, bonham was an amazing drummer, and plant had a powerful voice in his day. They made really approachable music, so what if it's more public-friendly than sabbath or iron maiden?

Still awesome music and they have tons of classic songs.

[WingsOfSteel]

And John Paul Jones was a great naval officer in the Revolutionary War.

He was a pretty good bassist, too.

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

nah zeppelin are puppy dogs compared to sabbath as well as maiden

You cant compare them to Maiden! When Maiden came out, there was a clearer definition for heavy metal, where Led Zeppelin doesnt fall into. What are you on?

ANd Rockerman, Zeppelin didnt invent hard rock. Hendrix made the heavy gutar sound, and there were bands that were already heavy when Zep came out, if not at the same time. I mean, there was Deep Purple, Blue Cheer....right?

[Julio-Claudius]

You cant compare them to Maiden! When Maiden came out, there was a clearer definition for heavy metal, where Led Zeppelin doesnt fall into. What are you on?

ANd Rockerman, Zeppelin didnt invent hard rock. Hendrix made the heavy gutar sound, and there were bands that were already heavy when Zep came out, if not at the same time. I mean, there was Deep Purple, Blue Cheer....right?

You are quite correct. But Zep made it very big, though.

[Axel32]

I don't really think Led Zepplin was over hyped.. I think Stairway to Heaven was over hyped.. I listen to the song.. but I don't hear anything that makes me want to say, "OMG th@7 son6 iz teh haxx0rzz"

*Ahem* What I mean is, I don't think it should be consider in the best Guitar Solo ever (according to the readers of Guitar Magizine)

[masterofdisaster]

led zeppelin is one of the greates bands in the history of rock
and if you don't like it then f*ck you

[Rock_Starman]

I think they're actually UNDER hyped/rated. There's probably more people that couldn't name one of their songs without saying Stairway than there are that could.

[Nilsen581]

Every single Led Zeppelin song.

Thats how good they are...I can listen to every single track from them...and love each and every one of them.

Except Hats off To Roy Harper :( lol.


But other than that...every single song.

Now I mean they weren't the Beatles, the didn't have 8 billion songs.

But a nice 100 or so...including a few live covers.


I still rank the greatest bands of all time : 1. Beatles 2. Zep and than any mixture of Floyd, The Doors, The Who...you know...the best.

But Zep is my fav...I acknowledge how amazing The Beatles were...and it's sooo hard for me to choose...but I choose Zep.

[Nilsen581]

Traveling Riverside Blues

Bring It On Home

Ten Years Gone

Tangerine

Hey Hey What Can I Do

Fool In The Rain



I could go on for another 80 or so...but I think you get the picture.

[Nilsen581]

They did have quite a few good rock songs (Houses of the Holy, Trampled Under Foot, OTHAFA, Achilles Last Stand), but the song they are most known for (Stairway:rolleyes: ) is not that great, it's about getting high for God's sake...

Anyone with me?

If these are the only songs you like, you have not listened to enough Zep.


Go find every album...borrow them...steal them, buy them...Listen to every song.


Friends

The Gallows Pole



I mean pretty much every Zep song gets Radio play...

thats saying something.

They didn't have 10 hits...they had like 80...


You could put any single Zep song in Rock Band and I would cry with happiness...except Hats Off To Roy Harper


I mean the screwed around and wrote funny songs they didn't think would be popular...and they ROCKED!!!

Hotdog?!! The Crunge...!!!!

[polishdog90]

Led Zeppelin is amazing. There is a reason why so many people like them. Almost every song they wrote was fantastic. I personally think that Led Zeppelin is way better than Black Sabbath, because I would much rather listen to every song on a Zeppelin Album than every song on a Sabbath Album. I love Sabbath and think they are a great band, but they didnt write the best songs ever. This is all of course my opinion and yours may differ, but that doesnt mean either of us are right or wrong.

As for flaming the author of this thread, I dont think that he was really bashing Zeppelin in any way. He was just saying that he didnt think that Led Zeppelin was the greatest band and asking if anyone else shared/disagreed with his opinion.

[Julio-Claudius]

As for flaming the author of this thread, I dont think that he was really bashing Zeppelin in any way. He was just saying that he didnt think that Led Zeppelin was the greatest band and asking if anyone else shared/disagreed with his opinion.
Correct...

[Phrank-E]

Date of release Title Chart Position
January 12, 1969 Led Zeppelin #6 UK, #10 U.S.
October 22, 1969 Led Zeppelin II #1 UK, #1 U.S.
October 5, 1970 Led Zeppelin III #1 UK, #1 U.S.
November 8, 1971 Led Zeppelin IV #1 UK, #2 U.S.
March 28, 1973 Houses of the Holy #1 UK, #1 U.S.
February 24, 1975 Physical Graffiti #1 UK, #1 U.S.
March 31, 1976 Presence #1 UK, #1 U.S.
August 15, 1979 In Through the Out Door#1 UK, #1 U.S.


Name one other band that has a track record like this....

[battle_axe_of_doom]

probably the beatles.

and information like that doesn't ****ing matter.

[Phrank-E]

It matters when it comes to rating. Hard rock bands, even good ones, can barely get in the top of charts. Zep were consistantly there. If popularity doesn't matter, What does?

[masterx1918]

if you knew even an ounce about music then you would know that Led Zeppelin is not "over-hyped". Thy're first 5 albums were flawless and didn't even release 1 bad to mediocre song until their 5th album. Led Zeppelin has at least 40 songs of outstanding calibur and the band is nothing short of incredible. ask any music guru and he'll say the same.

[battle_axe_of_doom]

It matters when it comes to rating. Hard rock bands, even good ones, can barely get in the top of charts. Zep were consistantly there. If popularity doesn't matter, What does?

how about the music??????

fact is black sabbath were never chart toppers and sabbath are among the elite bands of all time. POPULARITY DOESN'T MATTER

[Hoodman]

He's popularity doesn't matter. Though uh the Stones and Beatles were pretty darn popular and good.

Anywayz, Led Zep isn't overrated(seems to be the trend these days) IMO they deserve the praise here's why:

Robert Plant: The vocal range of the man is great, plus his lyrics filled with J.R.R. Tolkien concepts or sad mishaps of life and women flow melodic throughout the songs.

Jimmy Page: The riffmaster, I'm not even going to list how many songs of recognizable riffs, one of my favorites is No Quarter's. Plus the main was pretty fast at playing and he also wrote and produced a lot of LZ's music. Let's not forget that Page was chilling with the Yardbirds w/ Clapton & Beck back in the day too.

John Paul Jones: Unlike the rest of the band, I don't think he's necessarily top 10 for his category of bassist, but that's not all he did. The man could play a large array of instruments, often the keyboard or bass. The man was an excellent songwriter & could make some pretty good stuff, Dazed & Confused bass performance?

John Bonham: The best for last, for me he's the best drummer. His solos were always great and he could mix rhythm & rock drumming well, a bit better than Keith Moon(who's erratic style isn't really melodic but still great rock drumming). He could play anyway with his hands or his sticks and would get extremely into it. If you really need questions answered look at any version of Moby Dick or Bonzo's Montreaux, seriously he's the best in the band IMO.

Style: Talk about a huge mix of music, from early metal, to hard rock, to blues rock. They have a large array of sound & music, highly instrumental. They often gave all their musicians a chance to shine. Everybody loved rocking out to them. One other interesting note about them is that they were not a band w/ a lot of issues, they all had families(though I think Page was a bit more of a solo man than the others) and performed & wrote when they wanted to. They stayed true to their homes and didn't try to cause mass hysteria or attention grabbing acts. Wonderful guys that rocked the 70s building off of the Beatles/Stones and starting anything they came after.

[battle_axe_of_doom]

i'm not saying popularity is a bad thing but it just doesn't matter. that guy posted chart ratings as if that was THE reason why led zeppelin are hailed as the greatest band in history. yes the beatles are THE most popular band in history of music, but their music backed it up as do led zeppelin but popularity shouldn't have any say in an argument about who's the greatest or not. but my point is led zeppelin are an amazing band worth of a lot of praise, but when it comes down to it they are extremely over rated. when people go into supergroup threads and go "OMG HERE'S UR REAL SUPERGROUP" and post a zeppelin lineup, thats where the problem lies. every band has its immense group of fanboys that tarnishes the band's name. fact is if a band isn't the beatles, then its overrated :p:p:p

[Phrank-E]

i'm not saying popularity is a bad thing but it just doesn't matter. that guy posted chart ratings as if that was THE reason why led zeppelin are hailed as the greatest band in history. yes the beatles are THE most popular band in history of music, but their music backed it up as do led zeppelin but popularity shouldn't have any say in an argument about who's the greatest or not. but my point is led zeppelin are an amazing band worth of a lot of praise, but when it comes down to it they are extremely over rated. when people go into supergroup threads and go "OMG HERE'S UR REAL SUPERGROUP" and post a zeppelin lineup, thats where the problem lies. every band has its immense group of fanboys that tarnishes the band's name. fact is if a band isn't the beatles, then its overrated :p:p:p

Your argument doesn't make any sense. You can't rate a band based on ones taste. There are people who think Nickleback are talenented because THEY like them.

Zeppelin is undeniably talented, Look at the vast array of technique and variety in the instruments and composition. Page never stopped experimenting.

Sabbath, while wholly badass, was pretty much a one trick pony. And have you ever listened to some of the crap they put out with Ian Gillian after Dio left. Zeppelin never put out crap.

Zep brought hard rock to a whole new level and hit MASS appeal. That is why they are known as the greatest. No one hears a Zep song on the radio and thinks "Aw, this song is crap" outside of some narrowminded **** who just hate anything outside of their particular music box.

Beatles where pop. That's another ball of wax.

[Hoodman]

personally I think it's the Beatles who are overrated theres probably about 3 total songs I can get into. I've heard like 40 of their songs. Really I don't think they're that amazing instrumental theres definitely better, lyrically they are really good but at the same time the lyrics don't grab me in anyway. Beatles are to me, pop transitioning into rock.

[battle_axe_of_doom]

Your argument doesn't make any sense. You can't rate a band based on ones taste. There are people who think Nickleback are talenented because THEY like them.

Zeppelin is undeniably talented, Look at the vast array of technique and variety in the instruments and composition. Page never stopped experimenting.

Sabbath, while wholly badass, was pretty much a one trick pony. And have you ever listened to some of the crap they put out with Ian Gillian after Dio left. Zeppelin never put out crap.

Zep brought hard rock to a whole new level and hit MASS appeal. That is why they are known as the greatest. No one hears a Zep song on the radio and thinks "Aw, this song is crap" outside of some narrowminded **** who just hate anything outside of their particular music box.

Beatles where pop. That's another ball of wax.

lol seems like you're being hypocritical when you say no one says a zeppelin song is crap then call me out on rating a band on taste cuz guess what it is about taste so this thread is just 20 pages of people agruing with no one ever being right. and sabbath isn't a trick pony and if you'd actually listen to sabbath like you claim to have then you would know that. and the beatles demolish zeppelin whether it be proto-progressive, psych, experimental, whatever, beatles >>>> all music. lock thread plz

[wwaballafoshosho]

off topic
led zep is getting back together and john bohman's (spell check) son will drum
if this hasnt been adressed?

[Hoodman]

off topic
led zep is getting back together and john bohman's (spell check) son will drum
if this hasnt been adressed?
bonham. They've done that b4 are you sure they're getting back together? They'll be fine as long as they don't try Moby Dick =p

[polishdog90]

Yeah I thought Jimmy Page said he didnt like to play anymore, because he has kind of lost it since hes old. I would still see them without a doubt if they toured.

[Phrank-E]

The official announcement went out today. You have to register on thier site (which crashed) to be picked via lottery for a chance to buy tickets. About 250 USD. Nothing past this one show has been announced.

[wwaballafoshosho]

yeah but i dont know if they are touring or not i just know they are getting back together
good news eh?

[Phrank-E]

Last I heard, 20 million people signed up to get a chance at those tickets. And that is just the last 24 hours or so.

Hopefully, as it is a benifet to raise money, that it will be pay-per-veiwed for the rest of us.

[IbanezBassist_v2]

God! How awesome it would be to see the guys!

[kickin]

Led Zeppelin is one of those bands you can just re-discover over and over again. Listen to their music non-stop for a while, then take a break, then listen to it again and remember just how SWEET some of those riffs and hooks really are. Led Zeppelin's awesomeness is just undeniable. And if you think they're overhyped, I'm sure you are the same type of person that just buys "Greatest Hits" albums.

[smokeverbs]

For the love of god NO. They are my desert Island band. If I could just bring the "Complete Studio Recordings" box, I'd be set for life. Zeppelin had it all, the most beautiful ballads, the hardest rock, smoking, steaming blues, even a little "Hot Dog" for fun.

[Simonious]

I'd honestly have to say they are...