HMX: Video Proof that talky parts are busted.

[chute]

Background: Rock band has been out for 3 months now, and until very recently, nobody was able to FC "When you were young" (among others) on expert vocals. I think one or two people may have managed to FC it before me, but I'm willing to bet whatever they're doing isn't nearly as reliable as what I've discovered.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USMSeasACIA

Once you find the sweet spot for sensitivity and material, this has a very high success rate (like 90%+). I would wager that I'd be able to FC this three times in a row using this method.

Now on to my rant. I know this probably won't change anything. but I think it would be (have been) much better, to just assign a really high pitch to stuff like the "Ow!"'s that are sprinkled throughout the game. It would still be a challenge to find whatever pitch you're supposed to be hitting, but it wouldn't be as frustrating as experimenting with your voice AND all sorts of ******ed crap like rubbing the mic on the floor, your pants, your shirt, your couch, a drum stick, plastic bags. Hell, I even made myself a mini sound booth out of a juice jug to see if I could get better results.

Speaking of plastic bags, I'm about 1/4 of the way to FC'ing Sabotage with nothing but plastic shopping bags and my mic. If I can do that, will you take a serious look at issues like talky parts and/or vocal practice mode?

Also, If you're going to post anything about my video pertaining to:
how my voice sounds
how I'm singing
my weight
and a myriad of other things that have nothing to do with the point of the video and this post; I just have to say: I know I'm a fat guy with a mildly unpleasant singing voice, that was mostly just mumbling the words. I don't care, and I'm not going to reply to you.

[AeroZeppelinSevenfold]

thats just wrong. the talky parts are that messed up?

[Jimmik]

thats just wrong. the talky parts are that messed up?
Yea, the talking parts in this game don't register too well. :/ Kinda bugs me, like that one insanely long yell in Number of the Beast. Absolutely impossible to get right. Or wrong. Seriously, the bar fills itself even if I don't make noise up to about the 1/4th mark. :(

[PikkuKaiShinto]

o.O
Finally I can get 5 stars in Sabotage Easy Medium Hard and Expert >.> (Got 4 stars on all diffys).

[AliceInChained]

Does that technique work with Epic?

[DarkEternal37]

Wow, that's ridiculous. Sabotage bugs me cause I love the Beastie Boys and have known the song cold for years. So when it first came on I was thinking "wow, there's no actual singing and I know these words. 100% here I come." Now I see the error of my ways.

[PikkuKaiShinto]

Does that technique work with Epic?

Im sure it works with all...
Ill try it out with alot of songs later.

[NattyLight]

First of all, those aren't talky parts. Sabotage is a song with only talky parts.

It's not as much broken as it is a limit in the technology. Voice and pitch recognition technology is simply not good enough to accurately detect those types of things in a Karaoke game especially with the price of Rock band.

Also, the only problem that I see it creating is for leader boards. I don't see leader boards being much of a factor in enjoying the gameplay. If you're playing with your friends, you're not going to rub the mic on your pants. You're going to sing. I believe that's what HMX intended and they did a good job with that.

Lastly, I can sing the song in the same pitch as the original singer the whole song. I can fully do the parts you rubbed your pants on.

[Samuel346]

Lastly, I can sing the song in the same pitch as the original singer the whole song. I can fully do the parts you rubbed your pants on.

I would be very surprised if that were an actual true statement.
More over I doubt you can continually do them on a consistent basis.

[NattyLight]

An addition: For expert, I wish that a person had to stay in the correct pitch. I think it's really lame that a person can choose expert vocals and then sing 5 octaves away form the actual song and singing lower so the game recognizes a higher note.



I would be very surprised if that were an actual true statement.
More over I doubt you can continually do them on a consistent basis.


Why would you be surprised? Brandon Flowers isn't the greatest singer in the world and his voice isn't high at all.

[KaYotiX]

do ppl REALLY care that much to do dumb things like rub the mic on your leg while you sing....its all about having fun and i could careless if i dont FC EVERY expert track on vocals.

[Tigerbot]

I've honestly never had a problem with this song or talky parts or anything like that...

It's not always the game that's busted...

[HaloEleven]

It's good to know that I'm not the only person who activates Overdrive by yelling "WOOOOO!".

If you really want to have some fun, play the YouTube video in the original post and minimize your browser so you can hear the audio without watching what he's doing.

[chute]

Does that technique work with Epic?

I'm not sure. I've already FC'ed it.

Back in my day, we only had our voices..... uphill... both ways...

[PikkuKaiShinto]

I tried Sabotage... still got 4 stars... but without even talking into the mic.
The long notes is what killed me.
But yeah... this is totally cheap.

[DarkEternal37]

First of all, those aren't talky parts. Sabotage is a song with only talky parts.
.

Actually, When You Were Young has talking parts as well, right where he was rubbing the mic. "You play forgiveness, watch him now here he comes" is talking. Sure it's not the whole song, but his point was made.

[NattyLight]

Actually, When You Were Young has talking parts as well, right where he was rubbing the mic. "You play forgiveness, watch him now here he comes" is talking. Sure it's not the whole song, but his point was made.

You're right. The pitch lines above the words in the video threw me off.

[darknessmoon]

do ppl REALLY care that much to do dumb things like rub the mic on your leg while you sing....its all about having fun and i could careless if i dont FC EVERY expert track on vocals.

Yes, people care. It may not even be about FC'ing the song, but what if you're in the BWT and you're at that critical moment where one bandmate failed and you just need one more phrase of energy, but a talky part comes up and you miss it and you don't get the energy so you all fail the song? Is that fun? To know that you COULD have saved them but it wasn't necessarily the case?

The talky parts being "busted" is almost the same as a drumset not registering hits, or a guitar not reading the downstrokes or failing to activate overdrive. Yes, we know the game is about fun, but when you play the BWT tour it's pretty critical that everything works properly during certain occassions.

Anyway, interesting thing I saw yesterday: I got home from work and my lil bro had his friends over to play RB. They chose Sabotage and I couldn't hear my brother singing, so I turned to look at him and he was simply rubbing the mic with his hand, and he was getting AWESOME on his phrases. At some points, he left the mic alone and did absolutely nothing to it, and he was getting STRONG and the occasional AWESOME. Mind you, he had the difficulty on EASY, but still. He didn't do crap and he didn't fail the song.

[chute]

Sabotage bugs me cause I love the Beastie Boys and have known the song cold for years.

Me too, I like that song when I'm doing it for fun, but I've given up in frustration many-a-time trying for score.


First of all, those aren't talky parts. Sabotage is a song with only talky parts.

They are talky parts, because they don't have a pitch associated with them. I didn't say there were ONLY talky parts in this song, I said there were three phrases containing talky parts.


It's not as much broken as it is a limit in the technology. Voice and pitch recognition technology is simply not good enough

Actually, if I sing an A#3, the game recognizes that I'm singing an A#3. The pitch recognition isn't the problem at all, and I think all the songs with no talky parts I'll be able to Gold Star without too much effort. (except the three that are mathematically impossible :P ). The problem is that While the technology simply isn't good enough to understand words yet, they've tried to do "something" to make sure that you're not just babbling random crap, and it just doesn't work.


Also, the only problem that I see it creating is for leader boards. I don't see leader boards being much of a factor in enjoying the gameplay. If you're playing with your friends, you're not going to rub the mic on your pants. You're going to sing. I believe that's what HMX intended and they did a good job with that.

I agree with you 100%. When I'm with my friends playing for fun I usually do Hard just so I can relax and enjoy the feeling of co-operation and synergy that this game instills. I don't even care if we fail a song or whatever. But the fact remains that there are leaderboards in this game, and there are competitive people playing this game. I happen to be one of them.


Lastly, I can sing the song in the same pitch as the original singer the whole song. I can fully do the parts you rubbed your pants on.

I shall believe it when I see it. When I made this video I was #2 on the vocal leaderboards, and I'm pretty sure #1, 3, and 5 are not you, unless you go by a different name on the scorehero forums. I've listened to this song repeatedly, and I know exactly how brendan flowers says those three parts. I can hit the first one about 80% of the time because of the two pitch'ed words, but for the other two phrases it is absolutely impossible to hit if you're singing the song the way it sounds. I'm sure you'll just call me stupid or something, but I spent about 8 hours on this song yesterday. (although about an hour was trying to get "Know we can make it if we take it slow". ;P )


An addition: For expert, I wish that a person had to stay in the correct pitch. I think it's really lame that a person can choose expert vocals and then sing 5 octaves away form the actual song and singing lower so the game recognizes a higher note.

You realize that anyone that can finish every song in rock band in it's original octave really shouldn't be playing rockband, they should be IN a rockband. perhaps you have one of those rare 4 octave voices, but I'd wager to say that a vast majority of the people that play this game do not.

Alienating that many people would not be a good business move, and it certainly wouldn't be fun.

[chute]

You're right. The pitch lines above most of the words in the video threw me off.

I made a little correction for you.

http://rockband.scorehero.com/images/notecharts/rb/whenyouwereyoung_vocals.png

pay special attention to the part where there's no pitch lines around measures 19, 35, and 92

Are you sure you're not sitting in front of a black and silver plastic thing with four colored circles?

[NattyLight]

I made a little correction for you.

http://rockband.scorehero.com/images/notecharts/rb/whenyouwereyoung_vocals.png

pay special attention to the part where there's no pitch lines around measures 19, 35, and 92

Are you sure you're not sitting in front of a black and silver plastic thing with four colored circles?

Watch your video again. During the part where you are rubbing it on your pants, the video shows a pitch line.

As far as singing well and playing on expert, everyone can agree that you your singing is horrible. There's no way that should be top 1000 expert, let alone top 5. I still think it's a problem, that you can be bad at vocals and FC songs. You can't do this with any other instrument.

[ddub]

For me, talky parts work great. The only song I can 'sing' on expert is sabotage. I got a 96% the first and only time I did this. Why? I don't know, maybe I know the song really well and that helps.

Now I know I have terrible pitch, and can only sing on medium for most songs, but I do have fairly good timing. Maybe the talky bits just have different criteria that they get scored on. Timing is probably more important relative to sung words. Is it maybe possible that the people who can do both talky and singing have good timing and pitch and maybe if you can't do the talky parts, your timing isn't as good as you might think? If the timing windows are tight enough, it might be difficult to ALWAYS get good scores if you do not have perfect timing yourself. Just something to consider.

And for people who complain about the talky bits, what would your suggestions be to fix them. Mostly I've seen people say they don't like the talky bits because they can't pass them, but I don't remember any suggestions on what is really broken or how to fix it.

[Sonci]

Watch your video again. During the part where you are rubbing it on your pants, the video shows a pitch line.


This is true. I have no idea why, but it originally confused the hell out of me. My only guess would be because it's in static vocal style?

[chute]

Watch your video again. During the part where you are rubbing it on your pants, the video shows a pitch line.

When you use static vocals, there is a line. Are you seriously saying that you think switching to static vocal style makes it pitch based instead of, well, whatever the hell it really is based on? Because if you are, I'm pretty much done talking to you. I can't believe I'm even bothering to reply to this, since you, who claim to have FC'ed the song in your sleep, don't even know what the bloody chart looks like.


As far as singing well and playing on expert, everyone can agree that you your singing is horrible. There's no way that should be top 1000 expert, let alone top 5. I still think it's a problem, that you can be bad at vocals and FC songs. You can't do this with any other instrument.

Alright, not quite done. :P

You're basically saying: "You can't sing like Jon Bon Jovi or Claudio Sanchez, so you shouldn't". What's the difference between that statement and "Why don't you just learn to play a real guitar?"

Like I said right in the goddamn post, I wasn't trying to sound good, I was trying to FC the song. The entire point is that for some reason, rubbing the mic on my pants apparently sounds a lot better than actually trying to sing, and I don't give a flying f-ck if you think I can't sing.

[NattyLight]

When you use static vocals, there is a line. Are you seriously saying that you think switching to static vocal style makes it pitch based instead of, well, whatever the hell it really is based on? Because if you are, I'm pretty much done talking to you. I can't believe I'm even bothering to reply to this, since you, who claim to have FC'ed the song in your sleep, don't even know what the bloody chart looks like.

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No, you idiot. I said that the pitch lines threw me off and I didn't realize that it was a talky part. You were apparently oblivious to this and called me out saying there wasn't anything there.





You're basically saying: "You can't sing like Jon Bon Jovi or Claudio Sanchez, so you shouldn't". What's the difference between that statement and "Why don't you just learn to play a real guitar?"

Like I said right in the goddamn post, I wasn't trying to sound good, I was trying to FC the song. The entire point is that for some reason, rubbing the mic on my pants apparently sounds a lot better than actually trying to sing, and I don't give a flying f-ck if you think I can't sing.

No, I'm saying that if you sound like a 5 year old with Down Syndrome, you shouldn't be able to FC songs on expert. It's easy to manipulate for a high score. Case in point, you.

[e13ctr0n]

Also, If you're going to post anything about my video pertaining to:
how my voice sounds
how I'm singing
my weight
and a myriad of other things that have nothing to do with the point of the video and this post; I just have to say: I know I'm a fat guy with a mildly unpleasant singing voice, that was mostly just mumbling the words. I don't care, and I'm not going to reply to you.


You forgot to mention the stain on your lovely t-shirt.
I'm kidding around. I cant wait to see you do Sabatoge.

[chute]

You forgot to mention the stain on your lovely t-shirt.
I'm kidding around. I cant wait to see you do Sabatoge.

That's sweat.

I work hard for you bastards! ;)

I'm down to the final 5 phrases of sabotage.

[chute]

No, you idiot. I said that the pitch lines threw me off and I didn't realize that it was a talky part. You were apparently oblivious to this and called me out saying there wasn't anything there.

Sorry, I was blinded by rage at being called a 5 year old with downs.


You seem to be very focused on the fact that I can't sing, and not the issue at hand.

[Legion37]

I honestly think he flames your sing because you happen to score good on songs and he probably doesnt.

(btw your singing is horrible mate, but hey, your 5 staring songs on expert, I barely 4 star a song on medium so just think how bad I sound lol. So in retrospect continue to rock on brother lol)

back on the subject at hand yet I think it is messed up.

In Sabotage, does it seem like there are some of the lines in it that seem almost impossible to get right? I for the love of god cant awesome the first line at all.

And I tested your "scratching" technique and it doest work on mine (though I notice you do have a different mic and probably better.)

I tried plastic bags, my pants, scratching a knife then spoon and it wouldnt work, sometimes works but not really. I tried putting the mic up to the speakers and use the feedback and doesnt work either. so as far as I'm concerned it doesnt seem like you can "cheat" a 100% out of sabotage

[eVan_Diesel]

That's the most bizarre thing I've ever seen. I don't understand how rubbing the mic on your pants simulates the words.

[Frederf]

I found the guy in the video to be on pitch pretty well, obviously it's mumbled/hummed but Rock Band seems to reward that with higher scores.

I don't really care about cheating a good score out of the game, but what I do care about is when I play it correctly it should recognize it. My Rock Band set up has a huge lag between the pitch change and when the arrow moves (and it's not my TV, I have a boring old lagless year 2000 TV). Also I sing the talky parts well and it just doesn't care.

[chute]

your singing is horrible mate

careful... I'm a Taurus, I enrage easily. ;)


so as far as I'm concerned it doesnt seem like you can "cheat" a 100% out of sabotage

I'm at 98%. I can get the first phrase about half of the time, and there are a couple others that are still giving me problems. I'm still 15k away from gold stars though.


My Rock Band set up has a huge lag between the pitch change and when the arrow moves

It's probably your mic. I've seen a mic that were really good out of the box, and I've seen a mic that was really terrible (although, I was fairly overenthusiastic about the cowbell at the beginning... :P ). The mic I have is only $30, but most people can't really justify spending more money just for vocals.

[BigZ7337]

I just think the way they set up vocals is stupid, if you use any vibrado in your voice, what makes a good singer, you will not get credit for the note. I'm a singer and yet, for expert vocals, i do better in a wierd false setto for all notes than singing normally. I think I'll stick to expert drums, where the harder it gets the more realalistic it is rather than the opposite.:cool:

[GlassPrisoner]

Just another reason why I'll stick with expert drums...

[murfinator]

ROFL definitely going to try this on epic on my dog!!!

[zack10house]

I FC'd sabotage with no problems first try on expert, but now I definitely have to do it with a bag too lol this should be interesting....

[felix-the-cat]

ROFL definitely going to try this on epic on my dog!!!

You do realize that if this works, you could make a killing selling Dog mic mods on ebay right? If you can perfect what breed scores best, you'd be golden, lol.

[Misha67]

Nope, it can't be because it recognizes rhythm either on the "talky" parts, because unless I'm missing something, you're not even rubbing "on beat", you're just rubbing like crazy yet, for some crazy reason, it's recognized as "correct."

And that, my friends, is ridiculous no matter what you may personally think about chute's singing ability. Which isn't the worst I've heard, by the way, at least on the vids I've seen. And it's beside the point.

The point isn't whether you should be able to FC every single song in the game no matter how your voice may sound like a croaking cat's and/or your inability to carry a note if it was glued inside a bucket and the bucket was stapled to your forehead (not talking about you, chute). I don't hear anybody saying that you should be able to do that, and certainly not chute.

I don't expect to FC every song on every difficulty level on the drums and guitar either, because I'm simply not that good. I don't mind the game rating me on my actual skill, as a matter of fact I'd much prefer if it stuck to just that. And THAT is the point.

If I do something right, I expect to be rated accordingly. If I do something obviously wrong, I expect to be rated accordingly as well, but the first is far more important than the second.

I wish there was some way somebody could take the vocal master track from one of those songs and feed it directly back into the game. If that doesn't make for a 100% FC without fail, every time, then the recognition system doesn't work. Period.

At any rate: Having the mic fail to recognize a correctly sung note or correctly spoken "talky bit" is every bit as unacceptable as the guitar refusing to recognize every other note just because it feels like it. I don't get all that upset about it mistaking "rubbing" for singing, there'll always be ways of gaming the system, but at the very least have the durn software recognize it when you're doing it RIGHT.

/rant.

[Bobble]

An addition: For expert, I wish that a person had to stay in the correct pitch. I think it's really lame that a person can choose expert vocals and then sing 5 octaves away form the actual song and singing lower so the game recognizes a higher note.


Umm...logically, this had to be done, people have a vocal range, I mean, look at Gimme Shelter, I have to sing falsetto to get even close to the female vocals during the guitar solo. Castration is just a shot a way after all. Not to mention that most of the songs are male singers and girls will want to play as well...same with songs that have girl singers that guys are forced to sing for, octaves are technically the same note, just different octave so if you can sing the whole song the right way but in a higher pitch, why should you be penalized? It takes the same vocal accuracy as singing it in the original octave.

[Teh_Nfsjunkie91]

I just think the way they set up vocals is stupid, if you use any vibrado in your voice, what makes a good singer


lol, every singer on American Idol seems to take that vibrato bit to heart.

[RulerJD]

cool vid chute, nice discovery.

personally, i know "when you were young" like the back of my hand, and the ONLY phrases i ever miss on expert are 1 or 2 "talky" parts, even though i sing them exactly as they're sung in the real song...it's always frustrated the hell out of me. not just this song, but it seems like "talky" parts in general on vocals are extremely fickle...even when they're sung as they are in the real song.

anyhow, interesting discovery dude, and don't let some of these guys get you down...they were obviously interested enough in what you had to say to click your thread, so just ignore that one guy's flames.

[chute]

carry a note if it was glued inside a bucket and the bucket was stapled to your forehead

This shall be my third video.

But seriously, Misha just expressed everything I wanted to express, way more eloquently than I ever could. If the talky parts registered anywhere near where they should, there wouldn't have been any reason for me to do random things like rub the mic on myself.

The thing that really throws me for a loop, is I've already FC'ed epic, which has quite a large portion of talky bits. what's the dif? Why did epic take me an hour, WYWY (with it's whopping 4 talky parts) take me 8+, and sabotage (which I know like the back of my hand) I still can't get? Why is the "woo" in WYWY so easy, and the "Ow!" in NTY so impossible?

also,


I FC'd sabotage with no problems first try on expert

What's your gamer tag? :P

[shaybo]

Natty, just stop talking already, everything you say proves you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

Chute FCs a song on expert because he has perfect pitch. The game grades on PITCH. ONLY. PERIOD. Stop being jealous.

What do you expect the game to do? Upload his performance to Simon Cowell and grade how he sounds and sent you back a score? Grow up and stop lying.

Oh, and to chute: thanks for the video and your findings. Much appreciated! Keep up the good work and ignore the less intelligent replies. Ha, ha.

[Thee Production]

And for people who complain about the talky bits, what would your suggestions be to fix them. Mostly I've seen people say they don't like the talky bits because they can't pass them, but I don't remember any suggestions on what is really broken or how to fix it.

I think it's really too late to do anything about it now, but the only thing they could do would be to assign a pitch to every old talky part, or stop giving you points for them at all. (I guess this wouldn't work with sabotage/epic though. Maybe switch between the two on different songs.)

[chute]

woops, I missed this post.


And for people who complain about the talky bits, what would your suggestions be to fix them. Mostly I've seen people say they don't like the talky bits because they can't pass them, but I don't remember any suggestions on what is really broken or how to fix it.


but I think it would be (have been) much better, to just assign a really high pitch to stuff like the "Ow!"'s that are sprinkled throughout the game. It would still be a challenge to find whatever pitch you're supposed to be hitting, but it wouldn't be as frustrating as experimenting with your voice AND all sorts of ******ed crap

[chute]

it has been done.

behold the bag.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWf_VBDZ1kI

[Nasenbluten]

lol that was funny,btw was that a sweat stain in between your man boobs?, or grease from a piece of kfc you dropped there? id so you should have rubbed the mic on that spot. your singing didn't bother me (I've heard worse, nor did your size....just that dam stain on your shirt :D

[Bu11ze1]

wow so all you have to do to get high scores singing is look and sing like a ****ing ******.

[AeroZeppelinSevenfold]

i did this with sabotage on expert and got 3 stars. i probably could have done better, but i have a bruise on my leg just from that time.

EDIT: just saw the sabotage vid. i'll try that.

[The Tony Show]

Wow, that's ridiculous. Sabotage bugs me cause I love the Beastie Boys and have known the song cold for years. So when it first came on I was thinking "wow, there's no actual singing and I know these words. 100% here I come." Now I see the error of my ways.

Yeah- as a HUGE Beastie's fan, I was looking to FC that song on my first try as I know it back and front and could sing it (on pitch) without even looking at the screen. Or so I thought. :(

[Clin_Diesel]

to kinda change the subject in the blink 182 all the small thing anybody notice the NA NA NA NA NA part how the pitch meter doesnt want to work?

[chute]

wow so all you have to do to get high scores singing is look and sing like a ****ing ******.

burn


to kinda change the subject in the blink 182 all the small thing anybody notice the NA NA NA NA NA part how the pitch meter doesnt want to work?

most of what you hear on the na na na's is backup singers, you have to sing what the lead vocalist is singing. I have no idea why but I can do it almost flawlessly, but people who actually like that song can't. :P

[chute]

That's sweat.

I work hard for you bastards! ;)


lol that was funny,btw was that a sweat stain in between your man boobs?, or grease from a piece of kfc you dropped there? id so you should have rubbed the mic on that spot. your singing didn't bother me (I've heard worse, nor did your size....just that dam stain on your shirt :D

:rolleyes:

[Quiksilver326]

Does this work with Timmy!?

[chute]

I don't know. I was actually thinking of timmy after I posted the sabotage video, but my arms are too sore today. I think I'll start on timmy monday. ;)

[reiella]

You realize that anyone that can finish every song in rock band in it's original octave really shouldn't be playing rockband, they should be IN a rockband. perhaps you have one of those rare 4 octave voices, but I'd wager to say that a vast majority of the people that play this game do not.

Alienating that many people would not be a good business move, and it certainly wouldn't be fun.

I wonder how many people that play rockband could sing Roam in the original octave... :)

Would be almost like putting a sign up in general "Girls not allowed" for most of the songs though.

[spiral_trick]

Interesting video, thanks for putting it up. The talky parts in this game have frustrated me forever. Sometimes they click, sometimes they don't.

Maybe HMX could patch this at some point. Who knows.

[RRGaits]

Hey, you're a fat guy with a mildly unpleasant singing voice, that was mostly just mumbling the words.

Reply to my post.

[CowShark]

Some talky parts work.

Sometimes.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7LfXkoQSPg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7LfXkoQSPg)

[Rokkstar]

There's no right or wrong way to sing it, but some people just have their own ways of playing. It's more fun if you actually try though.

[chute]

Hey, you're a fat guy with a mildly unpleasant singing voice, that was mostly just mumbling the words.

Reply to my post.

I don't want to............... but I feel compelled to anyway. :(


There's no right or wrong way to sing it, but some people just have their own ways of playing. It's more fun if you actually try though.

I did actually try to sing this legitimately many times. I can 5 star it, but just barely. This on the other hand was way more fun. and don't get me wrong, I was spinning that stupid bag for like 4 or 5 hours straight trying to perfect it. I still thought it was more fun than actually trying to rap.

[preOwned]

Awesome video's man. I love the ridiculous effort you will go through to obtain the gold stars. F the haters.

[cdylan13]

These talkys piss me off to no end. Harmonix, I beg you, PLEASE help us do these right, or make a patch for them... or SOMETHING!

and great job on the video lol

[T-Hybrid]

An addition: For expert, I wish that a person had to stay in the correct pitch. I think it's really lame that a person can choose expert vocals and then sing 5 octaves away form the actual song and singing lower so the game recognizes a higher note.
I may have misunderstood what you're saying here...but wouldn't forcing the person to match the song's pitch mean they'd have to sound exactly like the singer? Pitch for pitch note for note? Sorprano for Soprano?

[Misha67]

Sorprano for Soprano?

Hey! You bedda keep Tony oudda dis!

Because if you don't... Badda-boom! :D

[Ok_Computer]

All you need to do is whistle. Innovative and not as *****y as I expected.

Similar thing to this. If you rub my pants, I hit the high notes. ;)