UFOs... Do You Believe?

[Julio-Claudius]

Do you believe in alien spacecraft coming to Earth? I am watching "UFOs Caught on Tape 2" and there's some awesome stuff. One person even zoomed in on the spacecraft, showing what looked like the face of an Egyptian hyroglyph. Think about that for a second.

I certainly believe, I mean it's a little simple minded to think that we are all alone in a universe billions of billions of lightyears large.

And also, most of those videos were taken in the Holy Land. Israel, mostly. There's also a vid of a military jet engaging a UFO. :cool:

[lithiumkc]

Some of it's bogus, some of it's staged, some of it looks real. I do believe we're not alone. But I don't know... I doubt that they would allow themselves to be seen if they had previous intervention on our planet. I'm sure theres something out there though.

[Shadeslinger]

Yeah sure I believe in UFO's. Of course I also believe in the Tooth Fairy (cuz I got mad paid as a kid) and the Easter Bunny (Mmm...eggs) and if I try hard enough, I can move objects thru the will of the Force.

I'm just kidding about all of the above btw. Well...maybe not about the force. *beer bottle come... to... me!!*

Also, 1st post so, hello to all you familiar faces out there. :cool:

[MrGrieves]

do UFOs exist? sure why not

[lithiumkc]

http://www.scifi.com/roswell/index.php?vid=1

http://www.scifi.com/roswell/index.php?vid=1"]http://www.scifi.com/roswell/index.php

Theres some interesting videos on the subject.

[lithiumkc]

Actually this just came to light last week

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=465276&in_page_id=1770

Sworn affadavit by the public relations officer for the roswell crash. He told them to keep it sealed until he died. Last week, he died, and the affadavit says that it was NOT a weather balloon, that there was indeed a spaceship and alien beings were seen at the scene.


He claims that discoveries such as Kevlar body armour, stealth technology, night vision goggles, lasers and the integrated circuit chip all have their roots in alien technology from the Roswell crash.

Corso died of a heart attack shortly after making these claims, prompting a fresh round of conspiracy theories.

Interesting.... They said there were hieroglyphics on it. Maybe they crashed somewhere during the egyptians time too? It's all very interesting and I do believe simply by the vast amount of deathbead confession and the like that there was a crash at Roswell.

[Julio-Claudius]

Interesting.... They said there were hieroglyphics on it. Maybe they crashed somewhere during the egyptians time too? It's all very interesting and I do believe simply by the vast amount of deathbead confession and the like that there was a crash at Roswell.
I've always thought that when the aliens first came here, the landed in Babylon and Egypt, where human civilization's roots began. They gave us language, taught us agriculture, and so on. I just don't see how we could've learned all that stuff on our own by ourself in such a short period of time.

[mrmooz]

Ok I did earth and enviromental science in my final 2 years at school and we studies a topic about space.

Here is my point, each solar system in our universe are moving away from each other. The rate they are moving away from each other is increasing all the time. If a craft did manage to reach out solar system, the rate in which our solar systems are moving apart would have overtaken the fastest speed of the craft.
Therefore making it very, very, difficult, near impossible for us to reach another solar system, and for anyone else to reach ours.

If we do encounter aliens then they must be from within our solar system. Seeing as no aliens have been found in our solar system then I dont think we will come in contact with any.

Not saying that they dont exist, they may do in another solar system, but we will never know.

[lithiumkc]

Ok I did earth and enviromental science in my final 2 years at school and we studies a topic about space.

Here is my point, each solar system in our universe are moving away from each other. The rate they are moving away from each other is increasing all the time. If a craft did manage to reach out solar system, the rate in which our solar systems are moving apart would have overtaken the fastest speed of the craft.
Therefore making it very, very, difficult, near impossible for us to reach another solar system, and for anyone else to reach ours.

If we do encounter aliens then they must be from within our solar system. Seeing as no aliens have been found in our solar system then I dont think we will come in contact with any.

Not saying that they dont exist, they may do in another solar system, but we will never know.

This is assuming that lightspeed is in fact the fastest anything can travel, based on einsteins general theory of relativity. This is also assuming we are currently the most advanced beings and that no other species could EVER conceivably have far more advanced technology than we can even dream of now. In that case, you are correct.

However, within the past week or two, german scientists have claimed to have made somethnig that travels faster than light, it seemingly teleports, and based on Quantum Mechanics this is completely feasible.

We base the "They could never get here the laws of physics prevent them" theory on what we know. But Quantum Mechanics makes it very easy to see that advanced species could understand far more than us and may be able to travel at faster speeds than light if they wanted. All we know is 4 dimensions, up down, left right, front back, and time. They may know more. M-theory proposes that there are 11 and that teleportation and time travel would in fact be possible if we were able to conceive these dimensions.

I definitely believe there is other life. Why would we be the only things in the ENTIRE universe? And to say that it's "Impossible" that anything could possibly travel here from another galaxy is silly.. We barely know how our own environment works from a physics point of view. All we have is theories we cannot disprove (Relativity, quantum mechanics). There is a hell of a lot more to this world than we know and to immediately discount the possibility of extraterrestrial life is arrogant.

Quantum Mechanics and String/M-Theory are verrrrrry awesome. Look em up and see the possibilities instead of being content with thinking that all we presently observe is all that is possible.

[Brad_Lee]

Read about M Theory.

Aliens have to exist. Whether or not they are intelligent or space-faring is the only real debate.

[lithiumkc]

truthism.com actually has a lot of evidence of ancient representations of spacecraft, planes and the like.

Although I'm not compeltely agreeing with the whole "Reptilian creatures rule the world" theory.. It is a very, very interesting read and the relics from all over the world DO in fact describe and represent spacecraft.. check it out. The entire theory itself sounds out there, but I mean how could we ever disprove it.. Just as with religion, we can't prove or disprove it.

If you can read the whole thing it's still very cool to consider.

[mrmooz]

zoomed in on the spacecraft, showing what looked like the face of an Egyptian hyroglyph.

I did see an interesting show the other day on the Rendlesham UFO crash.
An army team were investigating a "crash", and one guy found a triangular craft which had crashed, which had hyroglyph markings on the outside.
Also that is was a black glass look to the craft, then it took off and when into the sky without making a sound.

Was a very interesting show. Quiet a few people testifying after several years.

Another was the man who made the dummy alien for the famous roswell alien autopsy video.
The man claiming ordered he made the dummy to near perfectly replicate damaged REAL video footage.

This also interested me.

The US government annoy me, wanna give them a massive kick in the ball for MAYBE covering up important stuff like roswell, Rendlesham ufo's and aliens, who really shot jfk etc...

[lithiumkc]

I heard about that army troop.. One of them touched it and it immediately took off. The next day it came back, they brought people with them and claimed that a light went above their head for a short period of time, they all saw the craft, and then it was gone again.

[Julio-Claudius]

Here's a question for ya... should we fear them?

[lithiumkc]

No. Because if they are in fact real, and they have come here before, all they've done is both observe and possibly help us out. If they wanted to take us out, no question in my mind they have the technology to do so. So if there are any other beings out there that currently know where we are, they pose no threat.

[admanimal]

"From my knowledge of the world that I see around me, I think that it is much more likely that the reports of flying saucers are the result of the known irrational characteristics of terrestrial intelligence rather than the unknown rational antics of extraterrestrial intelligence"

-Richard Feynman, nobel prize winner in (quantum) physics.

Of course he also says that there is quite possibly life elsewhere. They just haven't been here.

[Julio-Claudius]

"From my knowledge of the world that I see around me, I think that it is much more likely that the reports of flying saucers are the result of the known irrational characteristics of terrestrial intelligence rather than the unknown rational antics of extraterrestrial intelligence"

-Richard Feynman, nobel prize winner in (quantum) physics.

Of course he also says that there is quite possibly life elsewhere. They just haven't been here.
Yeah, all round metallic objects flying over the middle east are swamp gas. :rolleyes:

[admanimal]

Yeah, all round metallic objects flying over the middle east are swamp gas. :rolleyes:

It's far more likely that strange sights like that are the result of terrestrial phenomena of some sort that we aren't aware of or don't understand rather than aliens on vacation.

The belief that UFOs have visited earth are the result of two things: 1. people's general lack of understanding of physics and how difficult if not impossible it would be for aliens to find us and get here. 2. people's big egos at work in convincing themselves that aliens would go through immense trouble to overcome #1 in order to visit us.

[Julio-Claudius]

It's far more likely that strange sights like that are the result of terrestrial phenomena of some sort that we aren't aware of or don't understand rather than aliens on vacation.

Actually, it's more likely that the "terrestrial phenomena" that the scientists are talking about is just a lie because they don't know what the hell it is.

Yup! The Phoenix lights were SWAMP GAS!

[admanimal]

Actually, it's more likely that the "terrestrial phenomena" that the scientists are talking about is just a lie because they don't know what the hell it is.

Yup! The Phoenix lights were SWAMP GAS!

It's not a lie, it's a more likely explanation (if that in fact was the scientific explanation).

[Julio-Claudius]

It's not a lie, it's a more likely explanation.
Yes! It's true! Metal discs are SWAMP GAS!

[lithiumkc]

Including small corpses seen by quite a few reliable sources who were on the scene and basically told the same story on deathbed: They were told to say nothing, and that it had actually happened. Roswell happened, that's almost undeniable unless you're saying they're all liars. They saw something, it was covered up.

Look at the ramey memo, which was held by the top officer there during the incident. A picture was taken with the memo in his hand facing the camera.

http://roswellproof.homestead.com/Reconstruct.html

High definition versions of it have been studied and some words are quite obvious

Victims of the crash

"disc"

all written right in there... Something happened, that was a slip-up made evidence by technology.

[admanimal]

Yes! It's true! Metal discs are SWAMP GAS!

OK I'm not really sure why you just keep repeating that...

But if you are still talking about the Phoenix lights, they have basically been proven to be flares dropped by a military aircraft, which disappeared behind a mountain range that can't be seen at night.

There could be all sorts of military cover ups involving classified technology, I won't deny that. I'm just denying that any of this has anything to do with aliens.

[Julio-Claudius]

OK I'm not really sure why you just keep repeating that...

But if you are still talking about the Phoenix lights, they have basically been proven to be flares dropped by a military aircraft, which disappeared behind a mountain range that can't be seen at night.

There could be all sorts of military cover ups involving classified technology, I won't deny that. I'm just denying that any of this has anything to do with aliens.

Maybe I keep repeating it because that's the scientist's default excuse for unidentified flying objects, instead of actually investigating the issue?

[lithiumkc]

OK I'm not really sure why you just keep repeating that...

But if you are still talking about the Phoenix lights, they have basically been proven to be flares dropped by a military aircraft, which disappeared behind a mountain range that can't be seen at night.

There could be all sorts of military cover ups involving classified technology, I won't deny that. I'm just denying that any of this has anything to do with aliens.

Address my roswell evidence. Address the roswell confessions. The Ramey memo. What say you about them? Everyone's lying, and the memo is bunk?

Something happened at Roswell, that's pretty well known by now unless you believe it was a weather balloon and swamp gas, and you're calling everybody who's confessed a bold-faced liar. I'll choose to believe first hand accounts. These people had nothing to gain by fabricating stories on their deathbeds (And more recently, two weeks ago in fact, a signed affadavit written by the public relations officer that was to be opened after his death only that confirmed there was a crash as well)

Why would they do that? If nothing happened, these people would have nothing to say.

[IbanezBassist_v2]

I don't understand why they would wait so long. I mean why release the info only after the death of? Fear?

[lithiumkc]

Think of what it could do to religion.

Extraterrestrials?! From other planets!? Things other than humans??? Don't shake my biblical world so!

[Julio-Claudius]

Think of what it could do to religion.

Extraterrestrials?! From other planets!? Things other than humans??? Don't shake my biblical world so!

Actually, I know several die-hard Christians, and their stance on the issue is "if God intended for there to be aliens, then we should accept them."

Although I'm sure the more ignorant kind would try to start an intergalactic war....

I think the real reason is because of the mass hysteria that would ensue.

[lithiumkc]

It would be a definite culture shock, no question, if the existence of aliens was proclaimed true. I'd just think it was cool, but others would be frightened or they wouldn't understand... People are scared of what they don't know.

[Julio-Claudius]

It would be a definite culture shock, no question, if the existence of aliens was proclaimed true. I'd just think it was cool, but others would be frightened or they wouldn't understand... People are scared of what they don't know.

I actually think it might be better for the aliens to stay away from our society. Because if they ever wanted to become part of our society, they would face discrimination, comparable to blacks in the late fifties and early sixties, or Muslims in 2002.

[sweetlips]

Checkout:

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/

http://www.earthfiles.com/

http://www.unknowncountry.com/

http://wfmu.org/playlists/DX

http://www.anomalies.net/page/home

These are good places to start and will lead you to many others.

I read a book by Jim Sparks called "The Keepers". He describes, in great detail, his memories of being abducted, taught an alien language, and offers insight into "Aliens". The book is short and easy to read. It is pretty amazing and thought provoking.

He claims aliens have been here much longer than humans, and were involved in making us what we are.

He also says there are many alien races, not just grays and reptoids, like you see in media.

Lastly, he explains how they are trying to tell us our planet is dying, due to our activities. The rainforest is the heart and lungs of the planet, and if it goes, everything else does too.

Google: Jim Sparks

[senomar]

I have yet to see any hardcore proof of extraterrestrial visitors from foreign regions. It would be ignorant and downright foolish to say we're the ONLY intelligent lifeforms in a universe of trillions of lightyears. Hell, it's even possible microscopic organisms are right here in out own solar system, i.e. Titan, Triton, or even Mars at a single point in time. Anyways, I'm still eagerly awaiting when astronomers discover even insignificant simple organisms, at least to prove we aren't alone.

[Rev0lver]

UFO's? maybe. but i can't even comprehend the idea that this is the only place in the entire universe with intelligent life.

[Julio-Claudius]

Checkout:

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/

http://www.earthfiles.com/

http://www.unknowncountry.com/

http://wfmu.org/playlists/DX

http://www.anomalies.net/page/home

These are good places to start and will lead you to many others.

I read a book by Jim Sparks called "The Keepers". He describes, in great detail, his memories of being abducted, taught an alien language, and offers insight into "Aliens". The book is short and easy to read. It is pretty amazing and thought provoking.

He claims aliens have been here much longer than humans, and were involved in making us what we are.

He also says there are many alien races, not just grays and reptoids, like you see in media.

Lastly, he explains how they are trying to tell us our planet is dying, due to our activities. The rainforest is the heart and lungs of the planet, and if it goes, everything else does too.

Google: Jim Sparks
Whenever people make money from their alien exploits, I tend to believe them less.

[lithiumkc]

Whenever people make money from their alien exploits, I tend to believe them less.

This i agree with fully. Any website that claims they're going to help you be able to 'astrally project' or become a better person through meditation or show you proof of aliens.. but then they turn around and say they need money, to me, makes it less believable.

However, deathbed testimony and first hand accounts do not gain anything for those involved. This is truth, to me. Roswell is the smoking gun. Look into some of the websites I posted and listen to the testimony and read the affadavits.. Read the ramey memo... All of that is more than enough proof to convince me something happened.

[Eastwood]

There has to be other life out there. There is even an equation that was made to show the probability of life out there. It is called the Drake Equation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation

Using the worst case scenario for life on other planets using this equation still produces 40 "intelligent" civilizations in the Milky Way alone.

I wish they would hurry up and come teach us something useful...

[MartyMcFly]

I wish they would hurry up and come teach us something useful...

Who do you think taught us all the technology we have today hmm? :) lol who knows

[Julio-Claudius]

Who do you think taught us all the technology we have today hmm? :) lol who knows

Aliens: "Greetings, humans. We bring you this advanced laser technology as a token of good will. It allows several billion times more storage when applied to a silicon chip."

American government: "At last! Now we can create laser weaponry!"

[Eastwood]

Who do you think taught us all the technology we have today hmm? :) lol who knows

Yeah, thats where the rednecks learned to deep fry stuff... They seem to be the only ones to see aliens anyway...

[Brad_Lee]

If you look at how much we've advanced from say 10 million years just up until about 3000 years BC then look at our advancements from 3000 BC to present day... our advancement in the last 6,000 years is overwhelming. Hell in the past 100 years doesn't even compare to the last 6,000.


It's a very romantic idea to think an alien civilization helped us out along the way.

[the_polite_force]

i believe in the band UFO \m/

[newwaytodie]

Maybe all of you guys should consider becoming mormons.

http://www.nowscape.com/mormon/mormons5.htm

bwaahahahaha!

[Julio-Claudius]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terraforming_of_Mars

:cool:

I'm all for it.

[Eastwood]

While you are at the good ol' Wiki, look up the Fermi Paradox

[Julio-Claudius]

While you are at the good ol' Wiki, look up the Fermi Paradox
Oooooh thank you that was a good read. :)

I really like this theory:


It is not clear that a civilization of intelligent beings must be technological. If an alien species does not develop technology, because it is difficult in its environment, because it chooses not to, or for any other reason, it will be very hard for human beings to detect.[51] Intelligence alone, as opposed to life, is not necessarily visible across interstellar distances. While there are various remote sensing techniques which could perhaps detect life-bearing planets, none of them has any ability to distinguish intelligent but non-technical life from non-intelligent life. Not even any theoretical methods for doing so have been proposed, short of an actual physical visit by an astronaut or probe. This is sometimes referred to as the "algae vs. alumnae" problem.[51]

[newwaytodie]

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/newwaytodie/scientology.gif

[MrGrieves]

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e367/newwaytodie/scientology.gif



LOL funniest thing I've seen all day

[senomar]

^Haha.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terraforming_of_Venus
Good luck with this one, guys. :rolleyes:

[the_polite_force]

LOL funniest thing I've seen all day

you mean you haven't seen south park??

[MrGrieves]

I don't watch south park

[newwaytodie]

Teh truthz is out there!

[newwaytodie]

Wait... Maybe aliens brought us rock!

Jimi Hendrix, Eric Clapton, Jimmy Page.... They're actually aliens!!! This explains why rock music took off immediately after Roswell!!!

[Julio-Claudius]

The South Park thing was funny, but quit spamming.