Drum question

[adde120]

i have a question that no one ever ask before? i think, this is a big question and i really dont know why this has been chosen, so here comes the big question

why is the hi-hat on the right side of the snare drum? it should be on left side

[IErrantVentureI]

Dunno. It's not a real drum set, its a game. And since there are only 4 pads, the pads pull double duty and do different things in different parts of the song.

[sa_nick]

Until this very moment I dont think I ever full understood the meaning of the word n00b...

[adde120]

"Until this very moment I dont think I ever full understood the meaning of the word n00b."


what? i just wonder why the drums are at the wrong place in REAL life not in the game there is acutally REAL drums and by that i mean the HI-HAT is NOT at the right side of the snare-drums it is on the LEFT

i really.. REALLY dont understand what you are talking about. i just want a simple answer?

[IErrantVentureI]

I gave you an answer. On real drum sets, I think it's really the drummer's preference where his hi-hat is.

Nick was being a Senior Member.

[Xzyliac]

I gave you an answer. On real drum sets, I think it's really the drummer's preference where his hi-hat is.


Yup, yup, yup!

[adde120]

on every band and every drummer i have seen and my friends seen and their friends seen.
I have never ever head of a drumset where the hi-hat is on the right side of the snare-drum..

[IErrantVentureI]

I've seen it on both sides.

[adde120]

hmm its really must be more usally to play with hi-hat at left side right .. really more usally

[Xzyliac]

Same here.

[Xzyliac]

hmm its really must be more usally to play with hi-hat at left side right .. really more usally

As a retired drummer let me say both are equally common.

The Harmonix CEO is a drummer. I think they know what they're doing.

[sa_nick]

"Until this very moment I dont think I ever full understood the meaning of the word n00b."


what? i just wonder why the drums are at the wrong place in REAL life not in the game there is acutally REAL drums and by that i mean the HI-HAT is NOT at the right side of the snare-drums it is on the LEFT

i really.. REALLY dont understand what you are talking about. i just want a simple answer?

No, just the fact thats there pages upon pages of people discussing the placement of the pads. Sorry, I'm a little drunk right now.

[Bakkster_Man]

It was discussed (and confirmed) in another thread that the placement of the hi-hat/snare were swapped so you didn't need to cross over (hi-hat is played with the right hand, usually). Reason they don't want people crossing over is the pads are the same height, whereas a real hi-hat is higher, allowing crossover without hitting yourself.

[Desensitized]

i have a question that no one ever ask before? i think, this is a big question and i really dont know why this has been chosen, so here comes the big question

why is the hi-hat on the right side of the snare drum? it should be on left side
Because otherwise the hi-hat would need to be raised and would make construction of a solid set really hard.

You play the hi-hat with your right hand anyway, the only difference is that you're not playing cross-handed.

[dragulaAC]

OK, now ask everybody why the guitar "controller" has little color-coded buttons on the fret board, instead of real strings, like a real guitar has, doesn't make any sense to me!

[ace_on_bass]

can i get dbl bass pdl plz?!

[chaopolis]

can i get dbl bass pdl plz?!

Sure..... here you go.....

.....wait a minute....

[Desensitized]

can i get dbl bass pdl plz?!
U catn play teh drumms with0ut 1!!!!1!!one

[Akaymay]

Let me answer your question with another question:

Why are there only 5 buttons when there are 132 frets on a guitar?

It's a game.

[DWDrummer121]

Yeah, I'd be a lot harder to use the snare when it's placed where a tom should be. In reality, the snare and the hi-hat should be switched staying the same height as they are, but, like said above, it's a game. HMX isn't gonna make an exact plasic replica of Neil Peart's drum set. Sure, it'd be more realistic, but it'd be impossible for half of the people who will buy this game to play. But, anyway, it's a tiny bit easier to use the hi-hat the way it's used in RB because, when you keep your arm extended straight, it's a litttle less work then crossing over, but not by much. I've tried this out on my drumset and it works and theres no confusion. But, I'm not complaining, 'cause, either way, I'm gonna get used to it and love it.:D

[Bakkster_Man]

Let me answer your question with another question:

Why are there only 5 buttons when there are 132 frets on a guitar?

It's a game.

Where did you come up with 132? There are around 18-24 frets, and 6 strings to play on each.

Don't just make up numbers, that's lame.

[ababypenguin]

he didn't just pull the number 132 out of his head. If you take five seconds to think about it a real strat has 21 frets (22 if you count the very very last one) and there are 6 strings, so...
6 strings * 22 frets = 132 buttons.
six buttons for every fret on the RB strat, don't be so quick to call someone lame.

[dlisapussy]

Well, the right hand usually hits the hi-hat, but if the hi-hat was on the left, most people would crossover, but since the drums are at the same height it would be awkward to crossover.

[dlisapussy]

he didn't just pull the number 132 out of his head. If you take five seconds to think about it a real strat has 21 frets (22 if you count the very very last one) and there are 6 strings, so...
6 strings * 22 frets = 132 buttons.
six buttons for every fret on the RB strat, don't be so quick to call someone lame.

ummm... durh


nice on bakkster

[ababypenguin]

ummm... durh


nice on bakkster

edit please? I can't understand anything you just said lol

[parastroke7]

I thought I was the only person who said durh?

and yes, I've been through this problem of denial before. The pads are all level with one another, making crossover difficult. If the pad on the left were slightly higher than all the rest, then it'd be fine...but don't count on it, ya?

[jq71586]

You mean these drums aren't exactly like drums in real life? I thought a guitar only consisted of 5 buttons or "frets" and no strings.


Yes, that comment is dripping with sarcasm.

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PSN - jq71586 - looking for PS3 friends:D

[fried_blowney]

Let me say that Phil Collins has his hi-hat on the extreme right of his drum set. End of topic, next discussion:

Who wants to see Stranglehold by the Nuge in this game?

[Phrank-E]

Let me say that Phil Collins has his hi-hat on the extreme right of his drum set. End of topic, next discussion:

Who wants to see Stranglehold by the Nuge in this game?

OOH OOH <raise Hand> "me"

[Bakkster_Man]

he didn't just pull the number 132 out of his head. If you take five seconds to think about it a real strat has 21 frets (22 if you count the very very last one) and there are 6 strings, so...
6 strings * 22 frets = 132 buttons.
six buttons for every fret on the RB strat, don't be so quick to call someone lame.

Regardless, like you just said, a strat has 21-22 frets, he said it has 132 frets.

You don't get to multiply strings by frets and call that number frets. Also just like you can't say you can play 132 notes on a guitar (you get 21 + # frets).

I've got a 4 cylinder car with four wheels. That means I've got a V16! Neat!

[fried_blowney]

Not neat. That would be murder on gas.

[ajrapper]

the hi-hat is on the right side on a left-handed drum such as the drummer for Placebo. its simply more comfortable and convenient to do the cross stick drumming...

[karlkaza]

WTF?
I have 10 charecters

[ababypenguin]

Regardless, like you just said, a strat has 21-22 frets, he said it has 132 frets.

You don't get to multiply strings by frets and call that number frets. Also just like you can't say you can play 132 notes on a guitar (you get 21 + # frets).

I've got a 4 cylinder car with four wheels. That means I've got a V16! Neat!

sorry dude, but do you know math? lemme spell it out for you

there are 6 strings. 21 frets+ 1 more for the open notes, which is 22 frets. When you hold down a fret and hit the string, it makes a note.
On each fret there are the 6 strings, so on the fret #1 there are six different notes, on fret #2 there are 6 more notes. That's 12 notes, did I lose you? Let's just speed things up

22 frets multiplied by 6 strings equals 132 different notes.

If they made the RB stratocaster's buttons equal to the number of notes you can get on a REAL strat, you would have 132 notes/buttons.

I even went to the trouble of drawing it out for you, just in case you didn't understand what I just said.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/z2zrusmd/guitarexplain.jpg

[Bakkster_Man]

sorry dude, but do you know math?

Nope, Differential Equations sucked all the math out of me.

Of course I know math, that's not what I was questioning, this is a matter of symantics.


there are 6 strings. 21 frets+ 1 more for the open notes, which is 22 frets. When you hold down a fret and hit the string, it makes a note.
On each fret there are the 6 strings, so on the fret #1 there are six different notes, on fret #2 there are 6 more notes. That's 12 notes, did I lose you? Let's just speed things up

22 frets multiplied by 6 strings equals 132 different notes.

If they made the RB stratocaster's buttons equal to the number of notes you can get on a REAL strat, you would have 132 notes/buttons.

I can tell you aren't a musician. First of all: 22 frets, not 132 frets. Secondly 24+22 unique notes, 132 finger locations. You can not play 132 unique notes on a guitar. You can play a high B either open on the B string, 4th fret on G, 9th on D, 14th on A, or 19th on the low E. 5 places you can play the same note.

I know what you guys have been trying to say, but it's different from what you said. Notes, frets, and finger locations are all very unique things, and you can't just use the words interchangeably.

As far as the original post about this: if you really want 132 fingering locations, pick up a guitar for $200 instead. At that point it would be the hardest game ever, and instead you could have an equally hard, but actually useful, hobby. I have nothing against playing GH above actually learning guitar, but I'll draw the line at guitar simulator.

[Sons_of_Kyuss]

Let me answer your question with another question:

Why are there only 5 buttons when there are 132 frets on a guitar?

It's a game.

I think some people really do believe that GH, and RB are music simulators. But, Akaymay says it best, and simply...it is just a game folks.

[ababypenguin]

I can tell you aren't a musician. First of all: 22 frets, not 132 frets. Secondly 24+22 unique notes, 132 finger locations. You can not play 132 unique notes on a guitar. You can play a high B either open on the B string, 4th fret on G, 9th on D, 14th on A, or 19th on the low E. 5 places you can play the same note.

Actually I am a musician, I play guitar, piano, trumpet, and a little harmonica. I just had a really hard time explaining my point to you. Which is why I drew the picture. If I ever said there were 132 frets I didn't mean to (Akaymay said there were 132 frets, not me. I said 132 buttons), I meant there are 132 finger locations on a RB guitar, like you just said. I just couldn't find the right words to say that.


As far as the original post about this: if you really want 132 fingering locations, pick up a guitar for $200 instead. At that point it would be the hardest game ever, and instead you could have an equally hard, but actually useful, hobby. I have nothing against playing GH above actually learning guitar, but I'll draw the line at guitar simulator.

That is the point I have been trying to make this entire time. I was trying to point out that a double bass pedal isn't needed for the RB drums. I don't want 132 finger locations, that is what I was saying SHOULDN'T happen.

The RB drums don't need every little piece of equipment that a real drum set has, just like how the RB strat doesn't need all of the finger locations that a real guitar has. Akaymay made a comparison, and I supported him, now you and I are starting to insult each other. Lets just leave this debate where we are. And agree to disagree.

But I must say that I agree completely with the second quote, and that was the point I was trying to make the entire time. I seriously thought that you were the one who wanted a RB guitar with a bunch of extra buttons that aren't needed.

[AVC808]

i know you guys are thinking along the lines of the strat and traditional guitars, but my gibson les paul has 24 frets :p

lets stay on topic people. dont need to nitpick over things that really dont affect the game.

[ababypenguin]

Yeah sorry, I think we are done arguing now.

[cakefoo]

Everyone would struggle to play the kit if it was hihat on the left pad- - except maybe... Carter Beauford :)

[Bakkster_Man]

That is the point I have been trying to make this entire time. I was trying to point out that a double bass pedal isn't needed for the RB drums. I don't want 132 finger locations, that is what I was saying SHOULDN'T happen.

The RB drums don't need every little piece of equipment that a real drum set has, just like how the RB strat doesn't need all of the finger locations that a real guitar has. Akaymay made a comparison, and I supported him, now you and I are starting to insult each other. Lets just leave this debate where we are. And agree to disagree.

But I must say that I agree completely with the second quote, and that was the point I was trying to make the entire time. I seriously thought that you were the one who wanted a RB guitar with a bunch of extra buttons that aren't needed.

Excellent, we agree! Semantics aside, yeah, the drums don't really need anything else. If you REALLY think you do, mod the game to have a second pedal, then have a toggle switch between playing hi-hat and bass. Problem solved.

And if you don't know how to do it but absolutely NEED a double bass, I'm an Electrical Engineer, and I'll make one for you (for cost of materials+shipping, of course).

[ababypenguin]

Excellent, we agree! Semantics aside, yeah, the drums don't really need anything else. If you REALLY think you do, mod the game to have a second pedal, then have a toggle switch between playing hi-hat and bass. Problem solved.

And if you don't know how to do it but absolutely NEED a double bass, I'm an Electrical Engineer, and I'll make one for you (for cost of materials+shipping, of course).

I am glad peace prevails once again in the RB forums.
*starts meditating, slightly floating above the ground*
Ooooooowwwwhhhhhmmmmmmmmmm

[IErrantVentureI]

What's the point of a double bass pedal if you don't know if any songs going to be released need it?

[ababypenguin]

Are you talking to me? If you read my previous post, you will see that I don't want a double bass pedal.

[logicalnoise]

it changes from song to song but the reason is because the pads are all at teh same height which makes it a pain to play cross handed. so they switched the layout. That's the official story. changing the pad heights would have affecfdted the compact design and stability.

[IErrantVentureI]

Are you talking to me? If you read my previous post, you will see that I don't want a double bass pedal.

Nope, everyone complaining about there not being one.

[ababypenguin]

oh okay, just making sure.

[Dabog666]

I've seen it on both sides.

Wouldn't that be very awkward? I mean if you lift your leg up after using the bass drum, wouldn't it hit the hi-hat?:confused:

[miketoast]

Can't wait to rock the hell out on this bad boy!!!!