Osama Bin Laden is the DEVIL!!!

[ConsoleCoWBoY]

Who do you think could qualify as THE DEVIL and/or Antichrist in our modern 21st century world?

I pick Osama as The Devil and G.W. Bush as The Antichrist! ;)

Who would you pick? (Remember: Think Evil!) :D

[TheRocker]

G.W. Bush
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[trevordude_24]

bush, definetely

[Elnino]

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...Not the devil maybe...his sister...nevermind. There's no way that's a chick in this picture. So it's the devil!

[TheRocker]

Foosball Is Tha Devil!

[Saltines]

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...Not the devil maybe...his sister...nevermind. There's no way that's a chick in this picture. So it's the devil!


I hate that show, but sometimes I cant stop myself from watching it. It's on now, ironicly one of the girls just called her the devil.

[DIEGOROBOT26]

I think the guy who mugged me is the devil.

[thorn_9]

Fooosballs the devil!

[Julio-Claudius]

Nostradamus described the third and final Antichrist as "Mabus.:

Osama, George Bush. They are both the enemy, and they are both evil.

[newwaytodie]

lol @ nostradamus. Yeah and Revalation equates the number of the beast to be Prince Charles. Oh noes!

[gh2masterwellalmost]

Who do you think could qualify as THE DEVIL and/or Antichrist in our modern 21st century world?

I pick Osama as The Devil and G.W. Bush as The Antichrist! ;)

Who would you pick? (Remember: Think Evil!) :D

Well I disagree that anyone can be labelled the Antichrist cos I don't believe in a Christ or The Devil. (The Devil was styled after a pagan god, because at the time Christianity was against paganism whilst looking for followers. Jesus in the Bible also never mentioned hell as being a place of fire, that came afterwards when people needed to scaremonger. And don't forget - 25th December was only chosen for Xmas because its the pagan day of the sun)

I'm sure he existed, but he could have been a wife beating guy I dunno, I don't trust a book where all the chapters are carefully chosen so it doesn't say anything bad about their religion.

And also, I believe everyone is equal from right of birth. Osama Bin Laden I'm sure is a pretty evil guy, but he's still a human being. And yes, I don't want him to be executed, because none of us has the right to kill, no matter how much our opinion varies from them.

[jarhead12343]

the guy from the tenacious d movie. that they face at the end and play beezleboss.

[Rev0lver]

it would be totally sweet if i was the antichrist. i could burn people and ****.

[FallenAce]

lol @ nostradamus. Yeah and Revalation equates the number of the beast to be Prince Charles. Oh noes!
I'm laughing, but I need this one explained please...

[thorn_9]

he was pointing at the absurdity of believing Nastradomas' prediction or the interperetation of his prediction by comparing it to other interperetations of 'codes' in the bible to point out who the anti-christ is.

Every couple years there is a 'new' 'groundbreaking' discovery/ interperetation that tells of the 'end of days' or the 'anti-christ'.

It's a sad judeo-christian attempt to have some control or understanding of a chaotic universe. The sad fact is that there is no devil or anti-christ. If 10,000+ years of human history has taught us anything it's that we use faith and religion as a tool to control eachother. It's been that way since sumeria and it will be that way till we are dust.

[FallenAce]

Thorn,

Thanks for the reply, but I meant what quatrain did Nostradamus equate 666 with Prince Charles.

I like the terrible fabrication of Nostradamus predicting Sept 11th, because it's fun to read how crazy people get. I was awfully disappointed to find out he didn't really predict his excavation date.

[thorn_9]

Thorn,

Thanks for the reply, but I meant what quatrain did Nostradamus equate 666 with Prince Charles.

I like the terrible fabrication of Nostradamus predicting Sept 11th, because it's fun to read how crazy people get. I was awfully disappointed to find out he didn't really predict his excavation date.

DOH! sorry, that kinda makes my rant pointless....oh well, nothing new lol

[IbanezBassist_v2]

(The Devil was styled after a pagan god, because at the time Christianity was against paganism whilst looking for followers. Jesus in the Bible also never mentioned hell as being a place of fire, that came afterwards when people needed to scaremonger. And don't forget - 25th December was only chosen for Xmas because its the pagan day of the sun)


But let me guess, you celebrate Christmas.....

[Julio-Claudius]

I like the terrible fabrication of Nostradamus predicting Sept 11th, because it's fun to read how crazy people get. I was awfully disappointed to find out he didn't really predict his excavation date.
Yeah, people who believe in that stuff are stupid. If he really predicted September 11th, why weren't people going crazy on September 10th?

[gh2masterwellalmost]

But let me guess, you celebrate Christmas.....

"A cynic knows the price of everything and the value of nothing"

Anyway, back to me. I celebrate Christmas, like my parents did when they were kids (I'm agnostic they're both athiest), because its a time of giving. It is not the time to celebrate a fake holiday created by idiotic Christians bending the true meaning of their religion, it is the time to show our love for our families. And shower them silly with great presents.

So I celebrate Christmas because its a good time to give your loved ones something special. But, I'm TOTALLY AGAINST Valentine's Day and Halloween (we don't celebrate it too much in the UK thank god) because they TRULY ARE two corporate holidays. Heck, Father's Day is too, there was only Mothering Sunday, but it'd be unfair not to give my Dad something good.

[Julio-Claudius]

It is not the time to celebrate a fake holiday created by idiotic Christians.

Yeah, because all people that believe in something are idiots. :rolleyes:

[gh2masterwellalmost]

Yeah, people who believe in that stuff are stupid. If he really predicted September 11th, why weren't people going crazy on September 10th?

I watched a TV program all on it. Its all rubbish. You could bend the number to any date. It just means that later on they can look back at it. You could get the code to say October 28th, but that date means next to nothing.

And hey, its good publicity for the government and "anti-terror" if we keep going on about it (I dont believe they manufactured it, but I believe its a perfect time to go get some much needed oil... and the oil prices keep rising... hmmm, what a coincidence)

[IbanezBassist_v2]

I'm TOTALLY AGAINST Valentine's Day and Halloween (we don't celebrate it too much in the UK thank god) because they TRULY ARE two corporate holidays. Heck, Father's Day is too, there was only Mothering Sunday, but it'd be unfair not to give my Dad something good.

And Christmas isn't, **** boy!

[gh2masterwellalmost]

Yeah, because all people that believe in something are idiots. :rolleyes:

I know you have a problem with me, but you took my quote out of context. The "idiotic Christians" are the majority yes, but a few of them actually realise about the lies of Christmas but still are Christians.

[gh2masterwellalmost]

And Christmas isn't, **** boy!

Yeah, it is, but its less corrupt than Valentine's day. The Catholic "Saints" come on they have a saint of god damn guns, its all pure rubbish, and is another example of how organised religion can twist something pretty interesting to read (The Bible that is, although I treat it like a novel from different perspectives) to that rubbish.

[IbanezBassist_v2]

The "idiotic Christians" are the majority yes, but a few of them actually realize about the lies of Christmas but still are Christians.

Thats a little hypocritical isn't it.

[gh2masterwellalmost]

Thats a little hypocritical isn't it.

For me, idiocy in religion boils down to how fundamentalist you are. If you truly believe the Bible is word-perfect by God, then why are so many interpretations? Why so many conflicting beliefs?

If you respect it for what it is, an old book written by humans, but still believe in Jesus and God, I respect you for having some sense. Believing in the impossible requires more faith than I have, and I commend you for it.

The other thing it comes down to is organised religion. We have denominations, in Christianity (Catholic being the main offender, Protestant etc.) and in Islam (sunni + shi'ite, need spell check on that tho), which bends the religion to the sermon-takers wishers.

One denomination i deeply respect are the quakers.

[IbanezBassist_v2]

I can agree with that.

[gh2masterwellalmost]

I can agree with that.

Thank you. For a 14 year old I have more sense than others my age julio :P just playing with ya dude, and try not to take my quotes out of context. People who can believe I commend. Its people who are told to believe and do so who I hate.

[Julio-Claudius]

I know you have a problem with me, but you took my quote out of context. The "idiotic Christians" are the majority yes, but a few of them actually realise about the lies of Christmas but still are Christians.
The only idiotic Christians are the fire-and-brimestone ones that think everyone is *** and will go to hell.

Chrisitanity isn't about being brainwashed, it's a personal choice. You are not being brainwashed or controlled by being Christian, since you chose to do it. You can leave just as fast as you joined.

And everyone but the fire-and-brimestone Baptists believe that much of the Bible is allegorical.

[FallenAce]

Yeah, it is, but its less corrupt than Valentine's day. The Catholic "Saints" come on they have a saint of god damn guns, its all pure rubbish, and is another example of how organised religion can twist something pretty interesting to read (The Bible that is, although I treat it like a novel from different perspectives) to that rubbish.

Oh you mean this guy
http://www.njguns.com/gabe.htm

And by the way, you guys are more upset (or at least more vocal) about having religion shoved down your throats than I am, and I went to Catholic schools for all of my school career (until college). That's thirteen years of inundation, people. Come out of that without a respectable disdain for organized religions. Some kids in my class once got detention for not singing in church. I got suspended because I kicked a locker.

[gh2masterwellalmost]

The only idiotic Christians are the fire-and-brimestone ones that think everyone is *** and will go to hell.

Chrisitanity isn't about being brainwashed, it's a personal choice. You are not being brainwashed or controlled by being Christian, since you chose to do it. You can leave just as fast as you joined.

And everyone but the fire-and-brimestone Baptists believe that much of the Bible is allegorical.

No, you can be forced, one word: parents.

My Catholic friend (who when it comes to religion I'll happily call him an idiot but when it comes to politics he'll do the same so we call it even) defends that is was always his decision. He was told to be a Catholic as a kid, then when he was confirmed that was because it was drummed into his brain

In a school, the majority won't go with whatever they say. But if your parents dig it in from a baby, you're stuffed.

My opinion is greatly different from my parents, and they nourish that. They decided that if I wanted to be Christian fine, I could be baptised as an adult, but I don't want to be (who knows maybe I'll change) but I'm happy to have such great parents who will do better than to force their opinions on me, unlike other parents.

[Julio-Claudius]

No, you can be forced, one word: parents.

My Catholic friend (who when it comes to religion I'll happily call him an idiot but when it comes to politics he'll do the same so we call it even) defends that is was always his decision. He was told to be a Catholic as a kid, then when he was confirmed that was because it was drummed into his brain

In a school, the majority won't go with whatever they say. But if your parents dig it in from a baby, you're stuffed.

My opinion is greatly different from my parents, and they nourish that. They decided that if I wanted to be Christian fine, I could be baptised as an adult, but I don't want to be (who knows maybe I'll change) but I'm happy to have such great parents who will do better than to force their opinions on me, unlike other parents.
Or the kid could grow some nuts and stand up to his parents if that's not what he thinks. It is hypocritical, but you can go to church and still have your own beliefd. Usually everyone has their own take on religion and spirituality but keep it to themselves because they would be ridiculed and such.

[gh2masterwellalmost]

Or the kid could grow some nuts and stand up to his parents if that's not what he thinks. It is hypocritical, but you can go to church and still have your own beliefd. Usually everyone has their own take on religion and spirituality but keep it to themselves because they would be ridiculed and such.

of course. I deeply respect those who can stray away from the stupid denominations and come up with their own conclusions.

Organised religion, along with money and earlier slavery, are the main things which has baited humanity and made it disgusting. 1 down, 2 to go...

[Rev0lver]

Or the kid could grow some nuts and stand up to his parents if that's not what he thinks. It is hypocritical, but you can go to church and still have your own beliefd. Usually everyone has their own take on religion and spirituality but keep it to themselves because they would be ridiculed and such.

not really. in early childhood, kids tend to follow everything the parent says as complete and total truth. if they start talking about christianity, chances are the kid is going to grow up a christian. fortunately, my parents let me believe anything i want. i was invited to a youth group at the end of 7th grade and became a christian, but by 9th grade i came to understand it better and now am atheist(though i still attend youth group and bible study regularly, to learn more and because of my friends that go)

[FallenAce]

Yeah, but the whole I-am-this-way-because-of-my-parents thing is completely legitimate. I didn't even realize until I was 16 that it was a choice. UNTIL I WAS 16... That's how ingrained it was in my head. I had a great education, and I don't mind saying I'm very perceptive, but that didn't even register to me as an option until I was 16.

Keep in mind I went to all Catholic schools, I went to church every Sunday, I would willingly partake in the Rite of Reconciliation, and was confirmed with the name Israel at the age of 13. Ultimately, when I finally learned to question that which I was never granted the opportunity to question, I threw off the trappings of preset faith.

My mother told me directly she was disappointed in the decisions I had made, but ultimately came to understand that I work differently than she does, and it would still be the same "God" who made me as I am and gave me the will to choose how I would regard him. (Put it in those terms if you'd like to let someone gently accept the fact that you disagree with them religiously.)

So my point is this: Parents can absolutely force you. And due to my own experiences, I find it awfully difficult to immediately agree with the idea of going with what your parents tell you, honestly.

You'll never hear me utter a word against a single religion, though. I do not think I have any more right to tell someone they are wrong than they have to tell me that, and it just so happens they have no right to tell me that.

[gh2masterwellalmost]

not really. in early childhood, kids tend to follow everything the parent says as complete and total truth. if they start talking about christianity, chances are the kid is going to grow up a christian. fortunately, my parents let me believe anything i want. i was invited to a youth group at the end of 7th grade and became a christian, but by 9th grade i came to understand it better and now am atheist(though i still attend youth group and bible study regularly, to learn more and because of my friends that go)

Dude, I totally respect you. In my GCSE choices (my major exams for being in what you'd call 11th grade i think, where we get to choose what we want) many people questioned my choice of R.S. when I'm an agnostic.

Although my Dad did his best to not influence me too much, I have two great quotes from him, one nothing to do with one another:

(About Airplane Classes) "Economy = Poverty Class"

"KNOW YOUR BIBLE, so you can beat the God Squad at their own game".

But hes athiest, im agnostic...

[DShizzle1029]

Oh geez...another Christianity disgussion...can we leave it be?

[gh2masterwellalmost]

Oh geez...another Christianity disgussion...can we leave it be?

I've never been involved in nor seen a Christianity thread in my time here... so what you're on about I dunno.

[Julio-Claudius]

I've never been involved in nor seen a Christianity thread in my time here... so what you're on about I dunno.
Well, you're talking about Christianity. Doesn't that make it a Chrisitanity discussion? :confused:

[Rev0lver]

yeah.. there was a discussion in the ultimate setlist forum about christian music in rock band, and sean had to lock it. this is in the general forum though, so it could stay.

[thorn_9]

Well, you're talking about Christianity. Doesn't that make it a Chrisitanity discussion? :confused:

lol, a reasonable mind would think so...

"bla god bla athiest bla bible....no we are not talking about christianity...."
rofl

[gh2masterwellalmost]

lol, a reasonable mind would think so...

"bla god bla athiest bla bible....no we are not talking about christianity...."
rofl

Well yeah, I was referring to other threads. This is a first for me, and I've been involved in heated debates on here but never on religion.

I think its good, because we're not flaming, we're respecting others' opinions etc.

And if that little "bla god bla athiest" thing is at me... wtf? I'm not even athiest. And yeah, we are talking bout Chrisitanity, its just a first for me on this forum...

[FallenAce]

Personally, I think the Patron-Saint-of-THIS idea is awesome. As long as you understand that you aren't meant to worship a saint, what is wrong with canonizing someone who may have done something that was exemplary so that others might see him or her as a model?

Plus, I think a Patron Saint of Handgunners is bada**!