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mohkilla
08-30-2007, 12:40 PM
ive gotten dissapointed at this game. reason being is mainly the set list i like everything about this game but the setlist, wheres the metal?


most songs on this game are crap....

IErrantVentureI
08-30-2007, 12:42 PM
The songs on this game are classics, man. You can't tell me you don't like at least one of these.

And if you don't want it now, check out the DLC later on down the road. You might see something you like, and want to pick this game up.

mohkilla
08-30-2007, 12:45 PM
i mean dont get me wrong, there are songs on this game that are great and i love, mainly the blue oyster cult, metallica, blacksabbath, and ramones one...but other than that i dont think i like the 2000's ones and some of the 80's..... nirvana is also one i make an exception of.

Eastwood
08-30-2007, 12:52 PM
Welcome to reality. This might be a news flash to you, but the music put out in the last 15 years has pretty much sucked caompared to the 60's, 70's and 80's

Magnet
08-30-2007, 01:06 PM
No, most of the songs announced are very, very far from crap.

You're welcome to your opinion, but if your opinion is that most of the songs in the game are crap, you need to start listening to something besides metal. Easily half of these songs are classics.

And this topic should really go in Your Ultimate Setlist for future reference.

Also for future reference, it's spelled "disappointed."

JarethLegend
08-30-2007, 01:09 PM
Needs more metal!

bounchfx
08-30-2007, 01:10 PM
sure, we want more metal. obviously but the songs are not 'crap'

I have yet to see blink 182 or linkin park.

be grateful.

Coldplayer
08-30-2007, 01:40 PM
ive gotten dissapointed at this game. reason being is mainly the set list i like everything about this game but the setlist, wheres the metal?


most songs on this game are crap....

Wow. Don't you know how much Metal would suck in this game?

I mean, Metal works for Guitar Hero. Even though it hurts the ears of most people, everyone can at least try to master them on the guitar. But most Metal songs suck to sing.

I'm happy that they've put good music on the list.
IMO Rock Bands list is better than any Guitar Hero list so far, only the GH3 list ... well the GH3 is also very nice.

I mean, I still miss my Most Wanted bands, but thanks HMX for including good songs so far.

ababypenguin
08-30-2007, 01:44 PM
yeah, I am a metal-head, but I would rather have music that wont break my voicebox while I am singing. I expect that there will be a large list of metal for you to choose from in DLC, don't give up on RB yet!

Supergeek
08-30-2007, 04:07 PM
Agreed, I really like the set list so far. I'm hoping they're saving the best for last, though, and we'll be totally blown away. Those of us that like music we can understand the lyrics to, at least.

Riboflavin
08-30-2007, 04:59 PM
it would make sence to have more...general songs on the disc and then offer different genres as DLC. So the people who like My Chemical Romance can download their songs, and the people who hate them dont have to listen to it...same goes with metal, emo, punk...ect.

freakonate
08-30-2007, 05:25 PM
I'm not excited about the setlist either. (Bon Jovi?= blugh) But, I'm still getting the game on release day regardless - because HMX has already stated that the DLC will cover many different styles of music including punk, metal, rock etc. etc... the game disc content is only the tip of the iceberg.

With hundreds if not thousands of songs to be available eventually, I'm having no doubts what-so-ever about purchasing this game.

StaticSmoke11
08-30-2007, 06:08 PM
i completely agree with the orignal poster and think that the set list is a terrible dissapointment. the set list is pretty much forcing me to buy GH3 (as well as rock band so harmonix doesnt care but thats 60 bucks out of my pocket) i just hope that they put a lot of metal on the dlc because from what ive seen on these forums the biggest outcry against the set list is a lack of metal

StaticSmoke11
08-30-2007, 06:11 PM
Welcome to reality. This might be a news flash to you, but the music put out in the last 15 years has pretty much sucked caompared to the 60's, 70's and 80's

also i want to reply to this. that is just conceited and wrong. you may like the music of the 60s 70s and 80s more, but that doesnt make it better.

whofan
08-31-2007, 01:08 AM
Actually, in terms of musicianship, the music of the 60's, 70's and 80's is 150 times better than anything from the last 15 years. That's not opinion, that's fact.

The bands from these eras were trailblazers, setting up the various genres out there and defining (and continually pushing) their limits. All that has happened in the past 15 years (with the exception of the Grunge scene in the early 90's) has been just a retread of what has been done before with little to no inspiration or innovation behind it.

Mainstream rock has FAILED completely (I don't know exactly about underground scenes as I'm not exactly plugged into that whole thing, but I'm talking about what most people know) at everything it has attempted because it has all been done before and done better.

Guitarists only look to speed to try to justify their existence anymore. In the past it wasn't the speed of the player that determined how good he/she was, it was the melody that eminated from the guitar.

That is only one example of how modern rock is vastly inferior to the classics. I would continue on, but this isn't the thread for that.

On topic, Metal had a huge presence in the 80's, we're still missing 4 80's songs (hopefully) so there may still be an injection of metal yet. If all you want to play is metal, I highly recommend broadening your musical horizons. While I am a metalhead, it most certainly isn't the best music out there.

nicko68
08-31-2007, 01:40 AM
also i want to reply to this. that is just conceited and wrong. you may like the music of the 60s 70s and 80s more, but that doesnt make it better.

It's also conceited how everyone thinks the only type of music that should be in the games is metal.

RB, especially, wants to be a "party" game. Notice the type of music that is in Karaoke Revolution (the inspiration for the singing part of the game). They need to put *popular* music to draw the people to buy it initially, and metal isn't as popular as rock/pop.

Apples
08-31-2007, 01:45 AM
I don't think it's wrong to be a little bit concerned about the setlist. Stylistically it's almost the opposite of the guitar hero series, which included many lesser known gems and few pop hits. The general direction of the setlist is also very light on challenging guitarwork based on what we know right now.

I think it's a valid observation to say that they are skewing the setlist in a certain direction to emphasize the drums and vocals.

I'd love to be proven wrong. I am still excited as ever. But, every guitar-based video or screenshot so far has been ho-hum at best. I've yet to see anything in the guitar pieces that would challenge a hard or expert caliber player. I am hoping that the tendancy toward pop hits and easyness is only indicative of the retail disc as an attempt to get folks interested in the core gameplay.

whofan
08-31-2007, 01:53 AM
First, I don't think we've seen the expert mode yet, so who knows what it's going to be like.

Second, why worry? So what if the disc songs are popular? (Probably picked popular tracks to entice people in) There's going to be plenty of DLC, some of which will be VERY challenging for guitar.

This constant "disappointment" with the setlist is kind of misplaced, as any problems with the setlist will probably be addressed with the DLC. Besides, what's the point of worrying about something before playing it or even before everything is announced?

It's akin to me saying I'm disappointed with the way gameplay is in Halo 3, I haven't played it, I'm sure not everything has been announced yet, so what reason do I have to be disappointed.

Give HMX time people, does everybody have instant gratification issues? It's called patience.

NOTE: none of the above was aimed at a particular poster, nor was any of it said in an angry or hostile way

dragulaAC
08-31-2007, 01:54 AM
heh, I'd love to hear people attempt to do vocals for In Flames, CoB, Cradle of Filth, or Opeth. Monitoring the pitch would probably be a little tough. The average joe would probably lose their voice in about 1 minute, hah.

hmm, wouldn't mind seein' a Blind Guardian tune in there though.

Maherj
08-31-2007, 01:55 AM
I don't think it's wrong to be a little bit concerned about the setlist. Stylistically it's almost the opposite of the guitar hero series, which included many lesser known gems and few pop hits. The general direction of the setlist is also very light on challenging guitarwork based on what we know right now.

I think it's a valid observation to say that they are skewing the setlist in a certain direction to emphasize the drums and vocals.

I'd love to be proven wrong. I am still excited as ever. But, every guitar-based video or screenshot so far has been ho-hum at best. I've yet to see anything in the guitar pieces that would challenge a hard or expert caliber player. I am hoping that the tendancy toward pop hits and easyness is only indicative of the retail disc as an attempt to get folks interested in the core gameplay.

I don't think there's really anything wrong with a game that doesn't seem difficult, as long as it's fun to play. In the GH series, it turned into a 'FC contest' to see who can hit 100% of everything and squeeze as much score as possible. I got real tired of that (Mainly because I suck :D )

With Rock Band, I think it's about the experience and the fun. I feel the focus has shifted into the band and enjoying everything else around you,...I just have a feeling that I would enjoy 100% more if my entire band got it, and not just because one member hits every note.

Brad_Lee
08-31-2007, 02:05 AM
Yeah the set list for me also is bleh. Everything from the 1990's down is just outright terrible in my opinion. There are waaaaay too many modern songs in there. I blame MTV. It's clear by the set lists from GH 1, 2 and 80s that this is NOT harmonix's taste in music. Honestly it's like they looked at the most requested lists of the past 17 years and picked those songs for RB.

admanimal
08-31-2007, 02:11 AM
Honestly it's like they looked at the most requested lists of the past 17 years and picked those songs for RB.

What is so wrong with doing that? By definition it means they are going to satisfy the greatest number of people by selecting those songs. They do want to sell the game to normal people, not just rock snobs.

tucsonovernite
08-31-2007, 02:19 AM
First, I don't think we've seen the expert mode yet, so who knows what it's going to be like.

good point i think you whiners should focus on instant messaging you friends during recess about the lack of metal and save your allowance for the deluge of rocking dlc to come down the road. outside of the bonus tracks on guitar hero II was the setlist really that metal-heavy? ok there was megadeth, lamb of god, guess im forgetting a few but what precendent allows you to determine this will be a different ratio for non bonus tracKs?

logicalnoise
08-31-2007, 02:35 AM
I enjoy metal a lot and look forward to having a lot of it asvailable but the truth is that a lot of metal plays teh same. A retail disc needs to have enough variety for everyone to enjoy. With all this variety eveyr instrument will have soem room to get more difficult or more tricky. Plus a lot of metal is on the more difficult side. Meaning it's better of as DLC since notr everyone will be expert players right away(I know drums will take me a bit despite gettingd decent at drummania).

Eastwood
08-31-2007, 03:22 AM
also i want to reply to this. that is just conceited and wrong. you may like the music of the 60s 70s and 80s more, but that doesnt make it better.

I'm sorry, but it is just my opinion that a lot of the MTV's generation (which I was born in, BTW) of music has the majority of it being thoughtless, corporate machines to make money. A lot of recycled riffs with catchy tunes that you can sing along with. I sang along with it, myself. If you looked at the substance in the setlist from 80's all the way back to gimme shelter, the music makes you think. They are diverse, almost like a composed symphony, with thoughtful lyrics filled with metaphors that made you really listen to understand. That is what makes quality music in my opinion.

And that is why I love metal. A lot of it are complex and thoughtful. I think Slipknot does a good job of this. Metaphor filled lyrics with complex riffs. I love metal as much as anyone here that is screaming for it! (I mean c'mon, who else here listens to Amporphis and Dimmu Borgir? I would love to talk musical theory.) I think the set list they picked is good for mass appeal and we can only hope they deliver the metal in DLC.

whofan
08-31-2007, 03:27 AM
You are all (with the exception of a few) missing the point behind the main setlist. The main setlist is to pull AVERAGE people in, the people who don't come to these boards.

How do you do that?

Put songs in that they know and like. Everyone will get their due with DLC, but right now HMX is crafting a list that contains as many recognizable songs and bands as possible to pull in that audience who wander into their local EB looking for a new game to play.

THAT is why you don't see some of the stuff you want. Patience people!! Patience, DLC will satisfy all eventually

Brad_Lee
08-31-2007, 04:01 AM
What is so wrong with doing that? By definition it means they are going to satisfy the greatest number of people by selecting those songs. They do want to sell the game to normal people, not just rock snobs.


What is wrong with that!? Have you watched MTV lately?

Rock Snobs? Hmm in a game like, Rock Band... I would expect some more iconic Rock Bands...

tucsonovernite
08-31-2007, 04:07 AM
Rock Snobs? Hmm in a game like, Rock Band... I would expect some more iconic Rock Bands...

sure hope youre being facetious as we already have Rush, the Who, Metallica, Bowie, BOC, Rolling Stones....arrghh getting frustrated....:mad:

edit....ok, well maybe calling BOC an iconic band is a bit of a stretch....but the FREAKING ROLLING STONES lord have mercy bring on the DLC....Exile on Main St. anyone?

sushi111
08-31-2007, 04:14 AM
I honestly really really love the setlist so far, and the DLC promises to make everyone happy, so Im not concerned at all.

By the way, have you even seen the bands put in the game Brad Lee?

The Who, Metallica, Rush, Radiohead, The Clash, Nirvana, Rolling Stones, NIN, Deep Purple, Ramones, Bowie, Black Sabbath, Beastie Boys, Smashing Pumpkins...

Its pretty much a list of some of the most iconic bands of the last 40 years. And honestly if you think everything from the 90s and 00s in the game is garbage, you seriously have not listened to music in the last 17 years. Nirvana, NIN, The Strokes, Radiohead, Foo Fighters, Smashing Pumpkins, etc. This is pretty much a list of the most talented bands since the decade of 1990 came apoun us.

Brad_Lee
08-31-2007, 04:31 AM
If either one of you read my other post.... you would know I was talking about the bands from the 90s and on.

The Who, Metallica, Rush, Radiohead, The Clash, Nirvana, Rolling Stones, NIN, Deep Purple, Ramones, Bowie, Black Sabbath, Beastie Boys, Smashing Pumpkins...

Sorry but when I think Rock... and I would say when most people think of rock music... they do not think of any of those bands that are in bold. Metallica is metal. And the rest of them... come on.

admanimal
08-31-2007, 04:34 AM
What is wrong with that!? Have you watched MTV lately?



I have watched MTV lately...and I don't think I have heard them play one song...let alone any of the groups in the game.

I'll give you that nobody thinks rock when they hear Beastie Boys, but the rest are all from different genres of rock. Like Nirvana and Smashing Pumpkins are alternative ROCK bands, Ramones are punk ROCK, etc.

What precisely do you define as rock? Who do you want to see in the game?

tucsonovernite
08-31-2007, 04:48 AM
...iconic bands from the 90's not yet announced...hmmm...Soundgarden, Pearl Jam....who else do you believes qualifies in all seriousness?

Eastwood
08-31-2007, 04:53 AM
Incubus and Tool... That would make rock band for me... Also if they put Simple Man by Lynard Skynard...

Brad_Lee
08-31-2007, 04:55 AM
What precisely do you define as rock? Who do you want to see in the game?

Definition of Rock and having iconic Rock Bands are two different things.


ZZ Top, Cream, AC/DC, Guns N Roses, The Police, Pink Floyd, Kiss, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Tom Petty, Allman Brothers, Queen, The Kinks, Van Halen, The Beatles...

When someone says Rock I think of those bands...

whofan
08-31-2007, 05:21 AM
What's the difference between a group like Judas Priest, Iron Maiden and Metallica? They're all metal bands, so you're contradicting your earlier point.

And your last statement says it all really:
"When someone says Rock I think of those bands..."

Apples
08-31-2007, 05:25 AM
I don't think there's really anything wrong with a game that doesn't seem difficult, as long as it's fun to play. In the GH series, it turned into a 'FC contest' to see who can hit 100% of everything and squeeze as much score as possible. I got real tired of that (Mainly because I suck :D )

With Rock Band, I think it's about the experience and the fun. I feel the focus has shifted into the band and enjoying everything else around you,...I just have a feeling that I would enjoy 100% more if my entire band got it, and not just because one member hits every note.

Part of the lasting appeal of these games IMHO is the idea of constant challenge. No matter how skilled I may become, I can always count on the setlist in GH2 beating me into submission. There's always new high scores to be had, new gold stars to achieve, or something new to unlock.

No matter how fun a song is, once I drop a few 100%'s on a song, my tendancy to replay it goes down the toilet. With some of these guitar tracks, I fear that would easily be the case after a mere handful of playthroughs.

The added instruments and downloads will of course counteract this to a certain degree, but with guitar instruments making up 50% of the total experience, I think there's a valid concern about that aspect being too easy.

admanimal
08-31-2007, 05:32 AM
Definition of Rock and having iconic Rock Bands are two different things.


ZZ Top, Cream, AC/DC, Guns N Roses, The Police, Pink Floyd, Kiss, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Tom Petty, Allman Brothers, Queen, The Kinks, Van Halen, The Beatles...

When someone says Rock I think of those bands...

Those are all great bands to have in the game...but they also pretty much only cover up to the early 90s, which would effectively alienate the largest segment of the video game buying population.

I'm sure at least half of those groups will appear in the game at some point.

tucsonovernite
08-31-2007, 05:41 AM
i'm thinking on expert setting the vast majority of people purchasing this title will be adequatley challenged. Again, point us to videos of the guitar being played on expert setting, I'm not certain we've seen this. For those of us that have played GH enough that we're getting 5 stars on expert songs in the later tiers, sorry but I do believe you'll likely be ripping through the better part of the guitar portion of the game, no problem. Maybe you can tell me what songs on this game present concerns for being too easy. Ya know, realitive to GH 1 or 2. I want to understand.

mohkilla
08-31-2007, 05:59 AM
Definition of Rock and having iconic Rock Bands are two different things.


ZZ Top, Cream, AC/DC, Guns N Roses, The Police, Pink Floyd, Kiss, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Tom Petty, Allman Brothers, Queen, The Kinks, Van Halen, The Beatles...

When someone says Rock I think of those bands...

i completely agree that these bands should be in the game aswell... but wtf is weezer....? smashing pumpkins...... come on...


and ALSO, for guitar hero 2 people made promises of having the most DLC than any other game on xbox...... did they come through? no........what makes you think harmonix might? i mean not to sound so negative because Harmonix isnt Redoctane to make false promises...but what if they dont come through? think about it

Brad_Lee
08-31-2007, 06:04 AM
What's the difference between a group like Judas Priest, Iron Maiden and Metallica? They're all metal bands, so you're contradicting your earlier point.

And your last statement says it all really:
"When someone says Rock I think of those bands..."

The difference between Maiden, and Judas Priest as opposed to Metallica... is that the former don't suck.

Yes it's my opinion... shocker.

TheRocker
08-31-2007, 08:01 AM
I love the setlist so far , but yeah i too would like some Metal , if not just give me some Van Halen or something fast paced

sushi111
08-31-2007, 08:22 AM
Definition of Rock and having iconic Rock Bands are two different things.


ZZ Top, Cream, AC/DC, Guns N Roses, The Police, Pink Floyd, Kiss, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Tom Petty, Allman Brothers, Queen, The Kinks, Van Halen, The Beatles...

When someone says Rock I think of those bands...


Yes, while The Beastie Boys, Weezer and Radiohead do not come into mind when I think of rock, but I sure as hell think of them when I think of good music. Maybe if everyone didnt take the title so gosh darn seriously, you'd see this.

This game is supposed to appeal to a wide arrange of people and the setlist has so far. Your definition of rock may not be the game as mine. Most Smashing Pumpkins stuff is rock. Radiohead's first 3 albums are rock. Nirvana is rock. Its not like rock is a single catagorey. I honestly do not care for KISS, or GnR, or Van Halen, and I sure as hell dont care for AC/DC. And while their stuff is rock, and 90% of the music I listen to is rock I sure dont think most of their stuff is quality for me. Hell, I dont even care for Smashing Pumpkins or NIN so much, but if you take each member of that band and you take every member of Van Halen and AC/DC, the former two are probably the more talented group instrument wise. Both AC/DC and Van Halen are nothing without their guitarists. Also, a song being rock-ish doesnt mean you slap it on the game.

Im definatley a big Queen, Iron Maiden and Cream fan, but none of their music is remotley the same, which is why i dont mind seeing Weezer, Radiohead, or NIN, because their stuff is unique in the highest calibur. The more variety the better.

Julio-Claudius
08-31-2007, 08:30 AM
i completely agree that these bands should be in the game aswell... but wtf is weezer....? smashing pumpkins...... come on...
What? They are rock bands, going in to a game where you play rock music. They don't just want to put in metal, that will alienate consumers. They need to have a little bit of everything.

Brad_Lee
08-31-2007, 08:41 AM
Yes, while The Beastie Boys, Weezer and Radiohead do not come into mind when I think of rock, but I sure as hell think of them when I think of good music. Maybe if everyone didnt take the title so gosh darn seriously, you'd see this.

This game is supposed to appeal to a wide arrange of people and the setlist has so far. Your definition of rock may not be the game as mine. Most Smashing Pumpkins stuff is rock. Radiohead's first 3 albums are rock. Nirvana is rock. Its not like rock is a single catagorey. I honestly do not care for KISS, or GnR, or Van Halen, and I sure as hell dont care for AC/DC. And while their stuff is rock, I sure dont think most of their stuff is quality for me. Hell, I dont even care for Smashing Pumpkins or NIN so much, but if you take each member of that band and you take every member of Van Halen and AC/DC, the former two are probably the more talented group instrument wise. Both AC/DC and Van Halen are nothing without their guitarists. Also, a song being rock-ish doesnt mean you slap it on the game.

Im definatley a big Queen, Iron Maiden and Cream fan, but none of their music is remotley the same, which is why i dont mind seeing Weezer, Radiohead, or NIN, because their stuff is unique in the highest calibur. The more variety the better.

I didn't say I liked all of the bands I listed... I said when I think of Rock I think of those bands. Those bands are iconic. And most would agree with me. Regardless of whether or not they like them.

sushi111
08-31-2007, 08:48 AM
But the game isnt called Iconic Rock Band is it? :p

sporkBrigade
08-31-2007, 08:49 AM
and ALSO, for guitar hero 2 people made promises of having the most DLC than any other game on xbox...... did they come through? no........what makes you think harmonix might? i mean not to sound so negative because Harmonix isnt Redoctane to make false promises...but what if they dont come through? think about it

The GH2 download deal was a little more complicated then that. Harmonix devoloped GH2, and when they were bought by MTV, they took the code with them. RedOctane/Activision was then in a position where they had ot replace Harmonix, and the code for future GH games, and do it fast enough to have another game out by christmas. Neversoft has been re-writing the code for GH3 from the ground up since they were brought onboard. DLC dropping off the priority list was completely expected.

Harmonix, on the other hand, has a strong history with downloads with Karaoke Revolution. The downloadable tracks available for that game are pretty substantial, and that game has a fraction of the popularity of GH/RB.

However, I do admit I'm a skeptic at heart, so we'll just have to see.

sushi111
08-31-2007, 08:53 AM
Yeah Harmonix was very very good for DLC for Karaoke Revolution. There was 100 songs available for download. Jesus Christ.

Sons_of_Kyuss
08-31-2007, 09:08 AM
ive gotten dissapointed at this game. reason being is mainly the set list i like everything about this game but the setlist, wheres the metal?


most songs on this game are crap....

Then don't buy it...wait until after it is released to see what comes in on DLC.

Either DLC can make you interested in the game, or songs that aren't yet announced could get you more interested. The game won't be through with new content and suprises for a long time yet...wait until late November to decide, dude. If not, no biggie, just listen to the music you like, and you will have saved $200.

sporkBrigade
08-31-2007, 09:11 AM
Yeah Harmonix was very very good for DLC for Karaoke Revolution. There was 100 songs available for download. Jesus Christ.

Wikipedia actually listed all the packs. Anyone who wants a hint at what Harmonix does with DLC, check it out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_songs_in_the_Karaoke_Revolution_series#Xbo x_Live_Downloads_for_Karaoke_Revolution_.26_Karaok e_Revolution_Party

Now of course, 90 percent of the people here are going to hate the songs listed there, but look beyond that. These songs were directled towards a different demographic. You've got a ridiculous amount of variety going on there, though, and the overall amount is absolutely impressive when you consider how UN-popular this game was. (Love you HMX!) These were also sold using old XBox live. With the increased exposure and ease of use with the Marketplace, the potential here is pretty exciting. Chances are very good that you're going to get the metal you want. Hell, I'll bet money within 24 months you'll see a "Rock Band: Metal" expansion disc, if HMX follows the trend they set with KR.

So it still remains to be seen if they can follow through. But their history says a lot.

admanimal
08-31-2007, 10:20 AM
I hope the price is similar to the KR packs. 5 songs for $5 is pretty reasonable.

KillerIsMe
08-31-2007, 10:27 AM
As much as I love metal and would love to see a couple of metal songs in RB, I can totally see why Harmonix aren't putting anything too heavy in the game.

1. You'd need double bass pedals for most really heavy songs, and that would just be too much to demand.

2. You'd have to scream your life out in many songs, making it very unfortunate for singers.

3. Most buyers don't listen to heavier metal. I mean, how many havn't you seen on forums that hated Laid To Rest in Guitar Hero 2? I'm like the only one I know that liked it...

jq71586
08-31-2007, 12:04 PM
This is very simple to understand. I do like alot of the setlist that has been released so far, it does have some great bands that play different kinds of "rock." I myself prefer the genre of metal as a portion of people on these boards do, but with the initial release of this game Harmonix/MTV/EA are trying to reach the largest crowd of people with their product. I don't blame them for that.

Why wouldn't they do something like that? It's simple marketing. I'm sure (MTV/EA in particular) have a dozen or so people that sit at a long rectangular table and when it comes to marketing are smarter than all of us and are trying to maximize their profit. They are trying to reach the general public and not the "hardcore fans" with their intital release. They'll appease the hardcore fans with DLC. That way everyone is happy, the hardcore fans will have their particular tracks they like, the general public will have a party game with tracks that most everyone will be familiar with and along the way they'll probably gain more hardcore fans because without the hardcore fans Harmonix wouldn't be what they are today.

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espher
08-31-2007, 01:00 PM
One thing to note with the song list is that they're going for a good spread of music across five decades.

Personally, I'd love to have the game consist entirely of 60s, 70s, and 80s music, but the stuff they have put in from the 90s and 00s is all good stuff. There are a few songs I listened to that I'd never heard of and went "wow, this is a really good song".

I think it's great that they're giving a wide spread across multiple generations of music in the launch package rather than keeping it in too narrow a demographic. I personally loved the Guitar Hero 80s expansion, but that's because I'm a huge 80s music fanboy. My other friends? Not so much.

StaticSmoke11
08-31-2007, 06:54 PM
i never said i only want metal in the game (well if i was making it i would) but i completely understand and appreciate all genres being represented, my problem is that my favorite genre isnt represented whatsoever.

"While I am a metalhead, it most certainly isn't the best music out there."

once again opinion

Desensitized
08-31-2007, 07:09 PM
my problem is that my favorite genre isnt represented whatsoever.
isn't represented YET.

There are still songs to be announced and there will definitely be some DLC for metal sooner or later.

Don't worry so much about it. There will be Metal songs one way or the other.

Kylekillgannon
08-31-2007, 10:30 PM
All we can hope for is the Dethablum, nothing else matters >: (

karlkaza
09-01-2007, 01:45 AM
I like all of these songs!
WTF?
All of them are very (100x) far frome crapp

Sons_of_Kyuss
09-01-2007, 02:25 AM
As long as the don"t put in Blink 182, I'm ok with it. :D :cool: ;)

Kylekillgannon
09-01-2007, 02:26 AM
As long as the don"t put in Blink 182, I'm ok with it. :D :cool: ;)

Aren't they, gone?

Sons_of_Kyuss
09-01-2007, 02:28 AM
Aren't they, gone?

I was joking with karlkaza, because in his sig it says he wants them in the game. :)

Kylekillgannon
09-01-2007, 02:31 AM
I was joking with karlkaza, because in his sig it says he wants them in the game. :)

Oh, I see, pardon my ignorance, it's 10:30 in the morning and I haven't slept....D:

mohkilla
09-01-2007, 11:44 AM
i really hope they dont put blink....weezer was bad enough...

Julio-Claudius
09-01-2007, 11:48 AM
i really hope they dont put blink....weezer was bad enough...

The game is called Rock Band. Last time I checked, Weezer and Blink 182 were rock bands.

battle_axe_of_doom
09-01-2007, 11:57 AM
horrible rock bands though that are waaaaaaaaaaay too simplistic for this game

Julio-Claudius
09-01-2007, 12:02 PM
horrible rock bands though that are waaaaaaaaaaay too simplistic for this game
Yeah, that's just your opinion though. There are probably people out there that think Blink and Weezer are the best, and will buy the game because of it. HMX has to try and appeal to all audience and give RB a variety, that will make it sell better.

sushi111
09-01-2007, 01:58 PM
Weezer sucks?

WTF? Weezer was ****ing awesome back in the day. Think of all the classics: Buddy Holly, My Name is Jonas, Island in the Sun, Say it Aint So, El Scorcho, Buddy Holly, Hash Pipe...

Dont even compare them to the talentless Blink 182.

Sure Weezer sucks alot now, but The Green Album and back is mostly gold.

EDIT: Ok, maybe the Green album sucked too, but Hash Pipe and Island in the Suna re great and Pinkerton and The Blue Album are pure greatness.

ababypenguin
09-01-2007, 02:21 PM
Yeah, that's just your opinion though. There are probably people out there that think Blink and Weezer are the best, and will buy the game because of it. HMX has to try and appeal to all audience and give RB a variety, that will make it sell better.

I agree, people are talking crap about the setlist like the list was made especially for them. Wake up people, stop being selfish and let HMX put in the music they want to. They know what they are doing.

mohkilla
09-01-2007, 08:48 PM
there are way better bands out there that have better music than weezer...but then again..if i bought GH2 with that horrible setlist, then i can live with this one...thuoght i still think its a big disapointment

karlkaza
09-02-2007, 01:13 AM
As long as the don"t put in Blink 182, I'm ok with it. :D :cool: ;)
OHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, shut up!!!:(

karlkaza
09-02-2007, 01:15 AM
i really hope they dont put blink....weezer was bad enough...
IDC
As long as they PUT BLINK-182 IN DLC! I'M FINE
YOU?

karlkaza
09-02-2007, 01:20 AM
Oh, I see, pardon my ignorance, it's 10:30 in the morning and I haven't slept....D:
AND AVA!
And yes they are GONE
But, if they want master tracks they can just get mark hoppus to do they bass by himself. Then get travis barker to do the drums by himself. THEN they can get tom delonge to do the vocals and guitar by himself.
They dont have to be as a group. They can do that.


Correct me if I'm wrong (not by yelling at me:o ) Last i saw I had purchased the MAKING OF THE SONGS VIDEO TAPE IN THE GUITAR HERO 2 STORE AND IT SHOWED THAT ACTUAL BANDS PLAYING!
Correct me in a nice way if I am wrong

BUT, who agrees with me on all I have said above?
And for Blink-182 as DLC!?

Julio-Claudius
09-02-2007, 01:27 AM
there are way better bands out there that have better music than weezer...but then again..if i bought GH2 with that horrible setlist, then i can live with this one...thuoght i still think its a big disapointment
Oh quit whining you little ****ing selfish baby. The setlist was not made for you, it was made for everyone. And GH2's setlist was amazing.

JarethLegend
09-02-2007, 06:21 AM
Well I'd like some metal representation in the game, but I'm good with everything else in the game also as long as Good Charlotte is never in this game even as DLC. The game will be dead to me once that happens.

mohkilla
09-03-2007, 07:16 AM
i hope they do, all they have now is just metallica... which is super fine for me i love metallica but we need more metal :)

Mackybaby
09-03-2007, 08:29 AM
Well my son gets his 360 for Christmas and I was going to buy GH 2 & 3 but as they are full of Metal, it was very dissapointing. I just stumbled across Rockband the other day and after reading the list of confirmed songs I was really happy to see more classic rock tracks and less metal.

The thing about GH track list is that it's virtually all metal, Rockband is a welcome breath of fresh air.

bounchfx
09-03-2007, 10:38 AM
oh man, tool would be so freaking perfect for this game.

StaticSmoke11
09-03-2007, 10:56 AM
Well my son gets his 360 for Christmas and I was going to buy GH 2 & 3 but as they are full of Metal, it was very dissapointing. I just stumbled across Rockband the other day and after reading the list of confirmed songs I was really happy to see more classic rock tracks and less metal.

The thing about GH track list is that it's virtually all metal, Rockband is a welcome breath of fresh air.

guitar hero 2 was full of metal...? what? you mean lamb of god shadows fall dethklok and all that remains? and sort of avenged sevenfold? 2 main songs and 3 bonus songs hardly qualifies the game as full of metal

Julio-Claudius
09-03-2007, 11:04 AM
guitar hero 2 was full of metal...? what? you mean lamb of god shadows fall dethklok and all that remains? and sort of avenged sevenfold? 2 main songs and 3 bonus songs hardly qualifies the game as full of metal

Yep. And Guitar Hero 1 was mostly all classic rock. The only heavy metal on that was Cowboys from Hell.

TheRocker
09-03-2007, 11:23 AM
Yep. And Guitar Hero 1 was mostly all classic rock. The only heavy metal on that was Cowboys from Hell.

Yeah , im sorry but i just can't stop laughing at your sig.

jlc510
09-03-2007, 05:05 PM
Based on GH1 and GH2 not having a lot of metal, it makes me think that the powers that be in HMX that chooses the set list just isn't very big on metal. I think they're more into alternative music than anything. And it's no garuntee that there will be a lot of metal in the DLC. It doesn't help though, that there's only one base pedal, especialy when a lot of metal music uses 2 base pedals. I'm not that disapointed in this set list as much as I feel that the music HMX wants to use just isn't on par with what I like, where neversoft for GH3 is using music that is more my taste, which actualy gives me a reason to want to play GH3 and it makes me happy that there is more than one developer now in music gameing.

Kaiser
09-03-2007, 05:14 PM
It is entirely true - metal is too hard to sing and therefore most of them probably won't make it in. Remember also that most metal is focused more on the instrumental side rather than the lyrics, and RB is all about equality of lyrics and music.

StaticSmoke11
09-03-2007, 05:52 PM
Based on GH1 and GH2 not having a lot of metal, it makes me think that the powers that be in HMX that chooses the set list just isn't very big on metal. I think they're more into alternative music than anything. And it's no garuntee that there will be a lot of metal in the DLC. It doesn't help though, that there's only one base pedal, especialy when a lot of metal music uses 2 base pedals. I'm not that disapointed in this set list as much as I feel that the music HMX wants to use just isn't on par with what I like, where neversoft for GH3 is using music that is more my taste, which actualy gives me a reason to want to play GH3 and it makes me happy that there is more than one developer now in music gameing.

i completely agree, for me personally GH 3's set list blows rock bands out of the water. so now im gonna have to get both cuz i wanna play the drums so bad haha

Another_Hit_and_Run
09-03-2007, 06:35 PM
Consider this: The retail version of the game has to appeal to the masses and thus has a setlist to achieve that. I'm not amazed by Rock Bands set list, but with the promise of real DLC I'm hoping to be. Maybe they'll feed you metal heads as well. Its not like the songs that ship in the box will be the end of the road. :confused:

Mackybaby
09-03-2007, 10:23 PM
It is entirely true - metal is too hard to sing and therefore most of them probably won't make it in. Remember also that most metal is focused more on the instrumental side rather than the lyrics, and RB is all about equality of lyrics and music.

Thats because Metal is not singing, it's screaming and shouting, fact!

WildWalker
09-03-2007, 10:32 PM
Welcome to reality. This might be a news flash to you, but the music put out in the last 15 years has pretty much sucked caompared to the 60's, 70's and 80's

Sorry Eastwood, but I think that the word 80s (Eighties) is musically and stylistically synonymous with the word 'Sh!te'

:)

WW

Brad_Lee
09-04-2007, 02:35 AM
Sorry Eastwood, but I think that the word 90s (Nineties) is musically and stylistically synonymous with the word 'Sh!te'

:)

WW

Fix'd

And just to let everyone know... there is plenty of metal where the singer is perfectly coherent.