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logicalnoise

08-31-2007, 02:50 AM

IbanezBassist_v2

08-31-2007, 02:55 AM

It's not going to effect sales like you think. They aren't even remotely the same genre.

Keebler

08-31-2007, 03:03 AM

It's not going to effect sales like you think. They aren't even remotely the same genre.

Genre doesn't matter. All games, no matter the genre, compete for your money. And many gamers have limited budgets. Buying Mass Effect may mean cutting into the money you planned to use for Rock Band.

I'm more worried that Nov. 20 is right before Thanksgiving. I was planning on preordering here at school, but if that week is Thanksgiving, I'll be home on the 20th, which means I will have to have one of my parents preorder for me at home (I'm getting this game on the release date, no matter what).

Knockout_King

08-31-2007, 03:04 AM

I have both pre-ordered.
Tuesday, November 20th will cost me a lot of money.

admanimal

08-31-2007, 03:05 AM

Yeah if it was Halo 3 or some other universally popular title then I'd say maybe, but I don't think Mass Effect is going to affect the RB release date.

TheTogfather

08-31-2007, 03:13 AM

Mass Effect is going to be big, but I think most of the people who were planning on getting Rock Band on release probably will still be getting it on release even if they have either delay ME, or pick up both. I'll be getting both. Damn but that's gonna cost...ouch.

deathstick

08-31-2007, 03:16 AM

The only problem is how to find time in the day to play BOTH!

the_red_bassist

08-31-2007, 03:20 AM

Well what is mass effect? never heard of it.

whofan

08-31-2007, 03:23 AM

Me neither. One thing's for sure, it's not competing well enough for my money if I've never heard of it.

I'm not concerned though, I'm sure Rock Band will take off regardless of what games it is up against

TheTogfather

08-31-2007, 03:25 AM

Massive RPG made by Bioware. It's shaping up to be a HUGE Space Opera of awesomeness. If you like RPGs and like Science Fiction, it's a must-have.

Oh, and 360 exclusive.

logicalnoise

08-31-2007, 03:29 AM

I agree that it won't affect many people like us here on boards who are gunning for Rock band but week of sales will be tough. Eitehr wi will be buying rock abnd first mass effect is a hutge draw for me though.

whofan

08-31-2007, 03:31 AM

Massive RPG made by Bioware. It's shaping up to be a HUGE Space Opera of awesomeness. If you like RPGs and like Science Fiction, it's a must-have.

Oh, and 360 exclusive.
That sealed the deal then. I hate RPGs so it's a no-go on that game

JimNasium

08-31-2007, 03:38 AM

Tons of games are released at that time though. Right before christmas is the peak time for game releases.

Electric_Zen

08-31-2007, 04:00 AM

Rock Band and Mass Effect are my top-two most wanted for the year. Both should sell well.

sporkBrigade

08-31-2007, 04:04 AM

The problem isn't with us. We've all decided to buy Rock Band already, so things like this are moot. The problem is with average Joe Consumer. Average Joe hasn't decided whether he's buying Rock Band yet, so he's still very impressionable right now.

The one problem I've seen happen before with this kind of thing are headline conflicts. On the major sites, sometimes the release of one game will overshadow the release of another. There's a very powerful force in having your game's review being the first thing everyone sees when they visit IGN.

I know a lot of people in this thread are already disregarding Mass Effect, but that's because you're all Rock Band fans already. To the average consumer, Mass Effect is a pretty damn big name right now. The hype machine for Mass Effect has been running a lot longer than Rock band has. It'll be interesting to see how IGN/Gamespot/etc handles the dual release of both these games, assuming Nov 20th becomes the official date for RB.

Terranova

08-31-2007, 04:49 AM

MartyMcFly

08-31-2007, 04:56 AM

Considering Rock Band is on 2 major consoles (at initial release), Mass Effect on 1, I don't think it will affect it as much as you think.

Besides, if money is the issue, and you're looking for a good game to invest in, it would still make more sense to go for Rock Band.

No matter how good Mass Effect will be, I believe (imo) that Rock Band will have a much higher replay value, and be well worth the money.

VeryGoodSauce

08-31-2007, 04:58 AM

Buying Mass Effect may mean cutting into the money you planned to use for Rock Band.

And buying Rock Band may mean cutting into the money you planned to use for Mass Effect. I am much more excited for Rock Band, I'll be getting it before any other game in November.

skyehill

08-31-2007, 05:01 AM

Well what is mass effect? never heard of it.

Apparently its a game coming out on the same day as Rock Band that has no chance of being as good, fun, or addictive as Rock Band. At least not to me. I haven't liked any of the games made by the Mass Effect developers anyway, so that was never going to be a purchase for me regardless. Anyone that was longing for Rock Band surely isn't going to be dissuaded because of Mass Effect.

skyehill

08-31-2007, 05:03 AM

I know a lot of people in this thread are already disregarding Mass Effect, but that's because you're all Rock Band fans already. To the average consumer, Mass Effect is a pretty damn big name right now. The hype machine for Mass Effect has been running a lot longer than Rock band has. It'll be interesting to see how IGN/Gamespot/etc handles the dual release of both these games, assuming Nov 20th becomes the official date for RB.

No offense, but the average gamer has no idea what Mass Effect or Rock Band is right now. Most gamers aren't nerding it up on game forums.

sporkBrigade

08-31-2007, 05:23 AM

No offense, but the average gamer has no idea what Mass Effect or Rock Band is right now. Most gamers aren't nerding it up on game forums.

You are correct, and that's part of my point. For Average Joe, whatever is on the front page of IGN on November 20th is what he's going to remember.

I'm not going to say that it's going to make or break Rock Band. I'm just saying it'll be interesting to see the effect something like this will have. Marketing is such a chaotic business, and sometimes it doesn't actually matter which game is the actual superior experience.

Just to clarify, I'm not saying Mass Effect is definitely going to overshadow Rock Band. In my mind, it could go either way. But it'll be interesting to see what happens if it's not Guitar Hero 3 that ends up competing for Ad/Review space on the major sites, but a completely unrelated RPG on Xbox.

AVC808

08-31-2007, 05:34 AM

is your guys' local circuit city and best buy set up w/ the xbox guitar game? id imagine when RB comes out they will set the bundle up that way, and im positive that helps sales a lot when it comes to joe blo that never reads game magazines or articles online. im not sure if smaller stores like gamestops have the space to do the same, but if anything id think they'd be using halo as a demo, not mass effect, so i dont think it will have much of an effect as you think. even if you had to pick between the two, the other game will still get your money in the end, just not on launch.

honestly i dont know what the hell mass effect is either, and im not exactly scraping for cash so the only thing preventing me from getting this game on launch or before is if the store doesnt get their shipment on time.

that said, we should all announce that this release date will really screw things up. so RB needs to come out earlier. :D

sporkBrigade

08-31-2007, 05:34 AM

I didn't see Mass effect win Best of Show Award at E3 that honour went to rock band.. same goes for many gaming sites giving rock band the same type of award.. Mass effect only interests 360 RPG fans where as Rock band is multi platform more are interested in it i dont see Mass effect doing any harm to rock band sales.

No you didn't see it, but that's because Mass Effect started its hype machine back in '06, and that's the year it won E3's best of show.(Edit: I realized you were specifically referencing the Game Critic Awards. Mass Effect won best of shows for 1up, if I'm remembering correctly. The only Game Critic award it's won was best Console game of '07.) Of course, Rock Band wasn't announced yet, but if we're talking awards given to unreleased games(A suprisingly useless stat), Mass Effect has won just as many.

Of course, that's not the point. The point is which game will get the most exposure come Nov 20th. On average on both IGN and Gamespot, Mass Effect floats in the top 10 most active games, meaning the average person looking up game info is checking it out. Rock Band is rarely in the top 10, only creeping up when specific news is announced.

I know, Rock Band is awesome. I'm here because I love it too. But if we're talking average Joe, we need to step out of our own biased shoes for a second.

Just to say it again, I think it's just as likely Rock Band can overshadow Mass Effect, and it's going to be Bioware snapping their fingers saying "Damn, that was stupid." But since it's EA that hasn't nailed down a release date officially, if I was them I'd be looking elsewhere and avoid the whole mess.

sporkBrigade

08-31-2007, 05:36 AM

that said, we should all announce that this release date will really screw things up. so RB needs to come out earlier. :D

You have made the point stronger then I ever could. Discussion over. :D

skyehill

08-31-2007, 06:08 AM

Rock Band has EA and MTV behind it marketing it. Do you really think it won't get promoted and advertised like crazy? People are going to know its coming out, regardless of what's coming out against it.

MartyMcFly

08-31-2007, 06:25 AM

I think people are actually thinking too much into this.

Video games really don't get that much commercialism. If they're looking at the front of a video game magazine, then they should be well aware of both games already.

Think about GH2, how many times did you see a commercial for it? 4, 5 times at the most? I saw the Ps2 version commercial maybe twice around Xmas. The xbox version 3 or 4 times around it's release.

Video games are sold through word of mouth mainly, and what's plastered all over GameStop.

Again, this whole example is void from Rock Band's success.

Mass Effect is developed by BioWare, and published Microsoft.
Rock Band, you're looking at a game with EA and MTV right on it. What stands out more to you?

And again, 2 totally different genres of games, it still comes into play.

Brad_Lee

08-31-2007, 06:28 AM

MartyMcFly

08-31-2007, 06:34 AM

IbanezBassist_v2

08-31-2007, 06:40 AM

Genre doesn't matter. All games, no matter the genre, compete for your money. And many gamers have limited budgets. Buying Mass Effect may mean cutting into the money you planned to use for Rock Band.

I'm more worried that Nov. 20 is right before Thanksgiving. I was planning on preordering here at school, but if that week is Thanksgiving, I'll be home on the 20th, which means I will have to have one of my parents preorder for me at home (I'm getting this game on the release date, no matter what).

Yeah, I know. It just didn't translate as well in words as in my brain. I realize that all games run together as competition. But I think Rock Band will still have a bigger impact in sales. Due to being on multiple platforms.

psyborg

08-31-2007, 06:42 AM

I plan to grab RockBand day 1 and pick up Mass Effect down the road.

Since the holidays are so cluttered with awesome titles I'll wait till theres a game drought and i can sink my teeth into it more, since its a deep RPG and all.

Brad_Lee

08-31-2007, 06:43 AM

MTV was for money support, and the rights they have to a lot of record labels.
EA is just to distribute and advertise the game.

There's nothing bad about it. The game was made by Harmonix, the best music game makers in the business.

The game wasn't developed and designed by MTV Games, simply published

Yes but you see when the average person goes into a store and sees the MTV logo on a videogame.... and they despise MTV... they likely would not buy the game.

Same goes for EA...

Saying, "nothing bad about it" just isn't true.

Bobalicious93

08-31-2007, 06:44 AM

Something that will surely affect sales.
dude you just missed a MASSIVE pun opportunity there hehe.
You Should have said: Something that will surely have a "Mass Effect" on sales

lol i know but i just would have put that little joke in there

MartyMcFly

08-31-2007, 06:51 AM

Yes but you see when the average person goes into a store and sees the MTV logo on a videogame.... and they despise MTV... they likely would not buy the game.

I suppose you're right. We just need to continue to do our job and spread the word of Rock Band and it being Harmonix' best game ever!

Thrashdragon

08-31-2007, 07:31 AM

If I had to choose between the two, I'd pick Rock Band's potentially unlimited gameplay over a single player RPG that will take at most a couple of weeks to finish. Games with no multiplayer automatically go lower on my list since their replayability is limited.

Since everyone doesn't look at things the same way, though, it would help if they could publish an official listing of bundles and a solid release date for Rock Band so people making preorder decisions wouldn't be tempted into spending their money elsewhere.

This is gonna be an expensive fall. Halo 3, Guitar Hero 3, Rock Band, Mass Effect, Assassin's Creed, etc....yeesh. :eek:

the_spike

08-31-2007, 07:34 AM

I don't give a damn at all about Mass Effect. The only 360 games I was looking forward to were Bioshock and Halo 3.

MetalChickenDragon

08-31-2007, 08:10 AM

look at it this way...some people who were planning on getting mass effect when it came out wont be able to because they are getting Rock Band...it goes both ways

skyehill

08-31-2007, 08:31 AM

Refer to the highlighted portion....

That's not a good thing.

Wrong. You're clueless about the industry if you think having two powerhouse companies advertising and promoting the hell out of a game is a bad thing. If it said MTV and EA were DEVELOPING it, we'd have a problem.

skyehill

08-31-2007, 08:34 AM

I suppose you're right. We just need to continue to do our job and spread the word of Rock Band and it being Harmonix' best game ever!

Ummm, he's not right at all. In fact what he said is one of the dumbest things I've read in a long long time. The average customer will see EA's name and run away screaming? Yeah, that explains the incredibly high sales numbers for games like Madden, Tiger Woods golf, Sims etc etc. AVERAGE customers see the EA name and think it's a quality title (that's why they're 'average' consumers). The fact of the matter is that EA marketing and promoting a Harmonix game is a match made in heaven. And anyone that thinks it will hurt sales doesn't know a thing about this industry.

Brad_Lee

08-31-2007, 08:56 AM

Wrong. You're clueless about the industry if you think having two powerhouse companies advertising and promoting the hell out of a game is a bad thing. If it said MTV and EA were DEVELOPING it, we'd have a problem.

Two powerhouse companies that a number of people despise.

Brad_Lee

08-31-2007, 08:59 AM

Ummm, he's not right at all. In fact what he said is one of the dumbest things I've read in a long long time. The average customer will see EA's name and run away screaming? Yeah, that explains the incredibly high sales numbers for games like Madden, Tiger Woods golf, Sims etc etc. AVERAGE customers see the EA name and think it's a quality title (that's why they're 'average' consumers). The fact of the matter is that EA marketing and promoting a Harmonix game is a match made in heaven. And anyone that thinks it will hurt sales doesn't know a thing about this industry.

Average customers don't see EA at all... they see, "Madden" "The Sims"...

We're talking about Gamers.

Sons_of_Kyuss

08-31-2007, 09:07 AM

Ok I know there's no OFFICIAL release date yet. But footage from PAX showed a release date of November 20th. Well today Mass Effect got annouced for releas on the same day. Something that will surely affect sales. Obviously not having an official release date helps the matetr but eitehr way EA may feel liek releasing on a less competitive day for 360.

Mass Effect has gotten a big meh from just about everyone who has seen it. It's ok...nothing special, as those who have seen it say that even the big production values of the characters speaking are underwhelming.

And, even if it did become a big hit, and get tons of pre-orders, can people not afford $260? I'm not rich, but man...just do some saving.

sa_nick

08-31-2007, 11:01 AM

Average customers don't see EA at all... they see, "Madden" "The Sims"...

We're talking about Gamers.

So average consumers don't care about EA or MTV coz the game will just looks cool. Gamers will see EA and MTV and be put off, but then they'll see Harmonix and think "oh, its all good".

Having EA and MTV on the packaging is not going to effect sales nearly as much as...

A) The price (no matter how awesome it is some ppl cant justify spending that much money, especially with other game releases 1 month prior to and after RB's release)

B) The fact that casual gamers just spent a bunch of money on GH3 and didnt even know RB was coming out.

Brad_Lee

08-31-2007, 12:22 PM

So average consumers don't care about EA or MTV coz the game will just looks cool. Gamers will see EA and MTV and be put off, but then they'll see Harmonix and think "oh, its all good".

Having EA and MTV on the packaging is not going to effect sales nearly as much as...

A) The price (no matter how awesome it is some ppl cant justify spending that much money, especially with other game releases 1 month prior to and after RB's release)

B) The fact that casual gamers just spent a bunch of money on GH3 and didnt even know RB was coming out.

No no...average consumers know about MTV... and they know its garbage. MTV the television channel... not MTV the corporation.

Gamers will see EA and be put off.

jq71586

08-31-2007, 12:30 PM

No no...average consumers know about MTV... and they know its garbage. MTV the television channel... not MTV the corporation.

Gamers will see EA and be put off.

Let's just be honest. If people see the MTV and EA logos they are going to be much more interested into looking into the game than if they saw the Harmonix logo. I think HMX is the best company of the 3 when it comes to their fanbase but it's just a fact, it's in a distant 3rd place when it comes to regular average people recognizing their products.

DShizzle1029

08-31-2007, 12:40 PM

Genre doesn't matter. All games, no matter the genre, compete for your money. And many gamers have limited budgets. Buying Mass Effect may mean cutting into the money you planned to use for Rock Band.

I'm more worried that Nov. 20 is right before Thanksgiving. I was planning on preordering here at school, but if that week is Thanksgiving, I'll be home on the 20th, which means I will have to have one of my parents preorder for me at home (I'm getting this game on the release date, no matter what).

I have mine preordered but my buddies at Gamestop are hooking me up with RB for Xmas. So its just going to be a Xmas gift of awesome proportions. Mass Effect isnt on my radar, but Call of Duty 4 sure is...

espher

08-31-2007, 12:48 PM

I'm an average gamer, and I don't have any particular contempt towards EA or MTV.

They've both released crappy titles that I avoid, and EA's released plenty of titles I've picked up.

How they /run/ (or /ran/) their business? Didn't care so much for that. But, I have no automagic bias against the product they put out.

skyehill

08-31-2007, 01:16 PM

Average customers don't see EA at all... they see, "Madden" "The Sims"...

We're talking about Gamers.

If you're talking about "Gamers", then Gamers know what Rock Band is, and whatever company's name is on the box isn't going to matter to them anyway. Harmonix brings in the hardcore, EA/MTV bring in the rest.

sa_nick

08-31-2007, 01:34 PM

how big is the mtv logo gonna be? will many ppl even care? plus theres gotta be several million ppl out there who actually do like MTV.

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