Led Zepplin:Starway to heaven

[Guitar-dude]

this would be a great song for eveyoen to play and would definelty add some extra fun to the game.:D

[ToradtheIdiot]

Sorry man. I love the song, and I've even defended it in the context of Guitar Hero. However, for Rock Band it would NOT work. Too many people are excited about the drumming to put in a song that starts with (being generous, unsure actual number) 3 1/2 minutes of NO drum work. Not to mention with nothing for the bassist to do, unless they want to turn the bass into a pan flute somehow. Guitar Hero= yes, I'd love it. The Guitar work (and singing) are great. Rock band= no, because there's literally nothing for anyone else to do for a large portion of the song.

[WingsOfSteel]

this would be a great song for eveyoen to play and would definelty add some extra fun to the game.:D

NO. NO. NO.

[Julio-Claudius]

In before WingsofSteel.



NO. NO. NO.
Well there you go.

Stairway is definitely not the best Zeppelin song, and probably not the best song for Rock Band. Guitar Hero? Maybe.

Please consider some of their less popular gems like Rock and Roll, Black Dog, Achilles Last Stand, or When the Levee Breaks.

[WingsOfSteel]

Goodness me, where are my manners?

I don't want Stairway because it doesn't fit the game. The guitar repeats the same very simple acoustic riff for the first five and a half minutes of the song, and the drums don't even enter for the first four minutes. I'm not even sure that there's any bass in the song, because it's definitely not playing while the acoustic guitar is playing (which is already 75% of the song) and I can't hear any bass during the (very short, 30 seconds) solo.

[Julio-Claudius]

I don't want Stairway because it doesn't fit the game. The guitar repeats the same very simple acoustic riff for the first five and a half minutes of the song
Moot point, Freya was the most repetitive song I've ever heard but it was in GH 2. Other than that I agree.

[WingsOfSteel]

Even Freya didn't play the exact same riff for 62.5% of the song.

[Julio-Claudius]

Even Freya didn't play the exact same riff for 62.5% of the song.
Yeah, but the entire song was a riff, another riff, a solo, another riff. And people actually like Stairway.

[Coldplayer]

Man! How often do I have to say it?

OF COURSE IT WOULD WORK!!

Every song that you can play with a guitar, a bass, drums and a mic would work. It doesn't matter if there is almost no drumming at the beginning or whatever. If Led Zeppelin does play this song live, the drummer also has to wait at the beginning. Does this make the song less fun or not as good??

HELL NO!!

It's a great song! I love to listen to it and I would love to play it, on every instrument!

For the last time, Rockband is about the feeling you get playing a great song together as a band. Don't care if someone has to wait first, he will listen to that awesome song and then he will kick in sometime. You will feel good. Oh yeah.

You know what, I don't even like classic rock very much. But this song kicks ass and is considered to be one if not THE best rock song ever. It has to be in the game sooner or later.

[Guitar-dude]

isee you point guys but still maybe the game could have begginer songs and this is a great one for mic and guitar but yeh the bass and drummer would just be siting there staring at nothing

[Julio-Claudius]

isee you point guys but still maybe the game could have begginer songs and this is a great one for mic and guitar but yeh the bass and drummer would just be siting there staring at nothing
You have a point.

Since there are seperate campaigns for each instrument, Stairway could be a first tier song for drums and bass, and towards the middle for vocals and guitar.

[WingsOfSteel]

Man! How often do I have to say it?

OF COURSE IT WOULD WORK!!

No, it wouldn't! My post has facts about the dullness and easiness of the song, while yours has wishy-washy "ooh, I like the song, therefore it fits!" Who sounds more convincing?

ps i can do big text too. Bigger than yours.


Every song that you can play with a guitar, a bass, drums and a mic would work.

I never said it wouldn't work. I said it wouldn't work well. Harmonix could fill the game with great songs that are boring to play, or they could fill them with great songs that are also fun to play. Guess which one I prefer.


It doesn't matter if there is almost no drumming at the beginning or whatever.

That is exactly what matters. What is wrong with you?

This game is based around an enjoyable experience for a band. Would you say something that ignores half of the band for more than half of the song is "an enjoyable experience for the whole band" as compared to a fun song that includes everyone almost equally? If so, what the hell is wrong with you?

I mean, Rock and Roll is probably Zep's third most famous song, it's been licensed before, and it has awesome, challenging drums, bass, guitar, and vocals for the entire song. It's fun for all four for the whole song, as opposed to Stairway, where the vocalist is the only one doing something that isn't either absolutely nothing or ten seconds of repetition over and over for THE ENTIRE FIRST FOUR MINUTES OF THE SONG


If Led Zeppelin does play this song live, the drummer also has to wait at the beginning. Does this make the song less fun or not as good??

HELL NO!!

Well, since you are John Bonham, the drummer for Led Zeppelin, you certainly know from exper-

Wait. No. John Bonham died in 1980, so you are probably not John Bonham. Ergo, you're talking about something you have never done. For all you know, Bonham might have hated playing the song at concerts.

You say doing nothing for four minutes is just as fun as a challenging experience for most of the song. I say a challenging, fun song where all four members are rocking out together is funner than two dudes singing and playing guitar rather slowly while the drummer and bassist are doing nothing.

I can confidently say that doing nothing is boring, as I have done nothing rather often, and usually found it boring.

Can you just as confidently say that doing nothing is fun? If so, check out John Cage's 4'33" According to your standards, I guess it would be "fun" to play.


It's a great song! I love to listen to it and I would love to play it, on every instrument!

Well, I like to listen to it, too, it's a great song. I'm glad you have no taste in challenging or balanced songs, because while it is a great song, it wouldn't be fun to play. And the important part of a game is having fun.


For the last time, Rockband is about the feeling you get playing a great song together as a band

WELL, THEN, PLAY A GREAT SONG TOGETHER AS A BAND, INSTEAD OF THE SINGER AND GUITARIST PLAYING A GREAT SONG WHILE IGNORING THE DRUMMER AND BASSIST FOR OVER HALF OF THE SONG!

What don't you GET about that?

Most people liked Carry on Wayward Son even though it had empty spaces with just the vocals. I did, too. But I bet there would have been complaints out the ass if you weren't playing guitar for more than 50% of the song.

[TheLaughingMan9]

u don't have to have all 4 players in a game at 1 time correct? Stairway could be jsut for the Singer and Guitarist peices, no need for the drummer or bassist to be in the room. i hope it works the same for other songs when u don't have a singer.

[Kang_Zircon]

Whoa, calm down a bit. I get why you'r upset and all, this is like the 4,892nd thread you've had to say "no stairway" in, but that was really over the top.

You're totally right that Stairway wouldn't be the best song for this game, and if I had to choose, there's at least a half a dozen Zeppelin songs I'd pick over this one (my top vote is for Achilles Last Stand because it=10 min of Zep).

However, if the album Four was made DLC, would I get it - hell yes! And would I play Stairway a whole crapload with every instrument - absolutely. It may not be the most fun Zeppelin song to play, but I seriously doubt I'd be stabbing my face off from boredom or something. And there's several, well-balanced songs that have been announced for the game that I'd be less likely to play, if given the choice.

I know it's not the best choice, but are you saying you'd totally hate it and not play it if you had the opportunity?

With that said, I need to go back to campaigning for Bohemain Rhapsody to be put in the game ;) .

[Desensitized]

Actually, I COMPLETELY understand Steel's frustration. People don't seem to listen.

If they license a Zeppelin song for Rock Band AND I ONLY PLAY DRUMS OR BASS, and it turns out to be Stairway, I'd feel really pissed off.

Why not pick a better song that gives ALL the parts something fun to do, like 'In My Time Of Dying', 'The Rover' or 'Achilles Last Stand'?

There's NO reason to pick Stairway over those songs and it feels like the people who suggest Stairway seem to forget that people who prefer bass and drums like playing the game too.

[Tendoza]

Why are people backing Stairway?

This is just stupidity.

It would suck.

It would be a waste for such a talented band.

God have mercy on souls.

[WingsOfSteel]

And my blood pressure drops slightly below 9000.

[TheLaughingMan9]

I'm with Zircon. If they put it in, it'l probably be the most popular song in the game. But do drummers or bass palyers HAVE to play it? No! So why ruin it for the rest of us by selfishly campaigning against a perfectly awesome song jsut because it doesn't have enough of your instrument (just so I don't seem biased I'm getting both drum and guitar). You can simply choose not to play the song and leave the game.

Like someone else was saying, it's about the band experience and Stairway would be the best experience possible for this game IMO. I do find it likely that GH3 will have it only because GH1 had a load screen saying "No Freebird" and GH2 had a screen saying "No Stairway". Just my theory.

[Coldplayer]

Oh god, Wings, calm down.

It's just a song, and just a game.
We have different opinions on that, well okay, you can't change my opinion and I can't change yours.
I know I would love to drum that song because I can imagine how I would feel as the drummer for that song. Isn't that hard to imagine, is it?
I'm a musician in real life too, I have no problem with not playing the whole song. I can wait. In fact, it's even more awesome if I suddenly jump into the song and start doing a great drum solo or whatever.

I really can't understand your hate for that, I mean, it's just a song, it would not kill you if it's in the game. But actually, I don't care. Then let's have it as DLC, as long as I can play it with my friends one day.

[Gear_RA_RA_RA]

Led Zeppelin have a better, shorter, faster, more exciting, and more energetic song for every instrument. Shall we go on a bumpy rollercoaster of stuff?

Vocals.

Custard Pie: "CHEWIN' A PIECE OF YOUR CUSTARD PIE-E!!!".
Stairway: "Iiin myyy thouuughts I have seeen rings of smoooke through theee treees... ooonly tooo beee with youuu... only to beee with youuu... BUT I STILL HAVEN'T FOUND, WHAT I'M-*Shot*".

Bass.

Rock & Roll: "*Alternate strum* *Swift position changes* YE YE YE FUN YE YE YE *Powerchord hit* LONELY LONELY LONELY LONELY LONELY YE YE YE DIS GEM IS FUN".
Stairway: "wen duz my part start??????".

Guitar.

In The Evening: "OMG SOLO! Oh look, a drop in dynamic! Hooray! ... OSNAPMORESOLO! *Widdlewiddle*"
Stairway: "This is like Beast and the Harlot, except the Harlot's now impotent :("

Drums.

The Lemon Song: "*Thud thud, thud thud! *PISH** zomg i lik dis gem its fun"
Stairway: "wen duz MY part start???? :confused: "

But above all, for reigning supreme in all instruments, Rock & Roll are winner!

YAYLIFE!

And for those who haven't listened past Stairway and Whole Lotta Love, HERE'S (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6nmJjXM8wk) your prize! :D

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[Julio-Claudius]

I would like to point out that it would be cheaper and better to get Wavegroup to cover the song. I was watching some stock footage of a Led Zeppelin concert on VH1, and they were playing Stairway to Heaven, with the drums playing where it wasn't in the master track. And it sounded much better. The drums started at the "There's a sign on the wall" lyric.

[Gear_RA_RA_RA]

I would like to point out that it would be cheaper and better to get Wavegroup to cover the song. I was watching some stock footage of a Led Zeppelin concert on VH1, and they were playing Stairway to Heaven, with the drums playing where it wasn't in the master track. And it sounded much better. The drums started at the "There's a sign on the wall" lyric.

I saw that. That was the time where it almost sounded pretty good, to me.

[Teh_Jakester]

Man! How often do I have to say it?

OF COURSE IT WOULD WORK!!

I KAN RIT BIG 2!!! OMG WI SHUD FORM A KLUB!!!


Every song that you can play with a guitar, a bass, drums and a mic would work.

Working and working well are two totally different things.


It doesn't matter if there is almost no drumming at the beginning or whatever. If Led Zeppelin does play this song live, the drummer also has to wait at the beginning. Does this make the song less fun or not as good??

For the drummer.


It's a great song! I love to listen to it!

Listening to a song and actually playing the song are two different things.

Example: I like to listen to the song "In My Life" by Ozzy Osbourne. I do NOT want it in this game. There's no guitar. Period.


Rockband is about the feeling you get playing a great song together as a band.

You don't get that feeling from waiting around for four minutes.


You know what, I don't even like classic rock very much. But this song kicks ass and is considered to be one if not THE best rock song ever. It has to be in the game sooner or later.

Well, being a good song to listen to and a good song to play are two different things. Harmonix aparently doesn't realise this, so yes, Stairway to Heaven will probably be in, seeing as they put Enter Sandman in. Happy?

No, wait, no. Stairway to Heaven is impossible to get rights to. Sorry. I forgot. They don't want to pay $5,000,000 for ONE SONG.

[Julio-Claudius]

No, wait, no. Led Zeppelin is impossible to get rights to.
Uh, no. A comedy movie with a low budget and an animated kiddie movie got the rights to a Led Zeppelin song. And so did Ford. They also let a rapper sample "Kashmir."

It's really not impossible, it's just costly. It also depends on which song you want. If you're going for a popular one like Stairway it will cost more than, say, Heartbreaker.

[Qstrike]

Before you start saying "lol stairway", please remember that Harmonix still needs to get Led Zepplin's permission for the song (and they've done that what? 3 times...ever? with the most recent being the immigrant song in school of rock i think...)

Anyways, i agree, stairway to heaven would make the guitar hero series complete, but is not good for Rock Band.

Rock and Roll, Black Dog, Heartbreaker, or the Immigrant Song would be much better for rock band.

[Silver]

For the moment, there's only one 60's song, and a lot of 70's. I guess there is more chance to see a LZ song from Led Zeppelin I or II, both from 69, than Stairway or another song from IV. That gives us a lot of (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Led_Zeppelin_%28album%29) choices (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Led_Zeppelin_II).

[TheLaughingMan9]

Listening to Stairway from best of Zeppelin Vol. 1, there is a bass palying at around 5 minutes into it, so that guy won't be completely SOL when you play the song.

[Kaiser]

Remember! No STAIRWAY!

[Rock_Starman]

I was for it but if they are doing 8 songs per decade there's only one 70's song left. I want it to be Hotel California so now I want Heartbreaker or Whole Lotta Love since those would be in the 60's.

[Kaiser]

Mmmmm yes, Hotel California... I heart Eagles.

But who says they are doing only 8 songs per decade?

[Kang_Zircon]

Mmmmm yes, Hotel California... I heart Eagles.

But who says they are doing only 8 songs per decade?

Well, there's 40 songs on the main setlist, and 5 decades. If they were broken up evenly, that makes 8/decade. Although, right now there's really a lot of 70s and 90s, and only one 60s song confirmed. None have more than 8 right now, but I really think there's probably going to be at least a few more 70s songs and at least one more 90s song, which would make it so the decades aren't equally represented.

[Kaiser]

60s would be hard to get as it was the "birthday" of rock, and it was still in its early days - regardless, fantastic songs came out of that decade.
I doubt the decades will be equally represented but who knows? Might be part of a setlist to have different decade songs.

And thats only 40 on the MAIN setlist. Bonus tracks would probably cover more.

[olithrow]

if led zep let them, they could add a bit of a drum bit, like hitting the bass drum on the begining bit probaly would not sound very good, and it would probaly bit a bit boaring just hitting the bass drum every now and then!

[fried_blowney]

Heartbreaker would be a perfect song for RB. I've even put it in the prediction thread.

[Silver]

The "guitar only" part is a little too long, that woulb be boring for the rest of the band.

[Ostrizoso]

Yes Stairway to Heaven is one of the best songs, but it should not be put into Rock Band. I say this because to have it covered would be an insult to my favorite band of all time, and Led Zeppelin will never reunite because of the loss of Bonham. And I disagree with the repetitive guitar riff- those who play guitar and know the song will realize that Page has subtle nuances and variations throughout. It may sound the same, but it is not. I would love to play it in Rock Band, I just don't think it's appropriate.

[Silver]

I say this because to have it covered would be an insult to my favorite band of all time.

Hey, that's why someone invented the master track.

[Julio-Claudius]

Hey, that's why someone invented the master track.

The master track would be boring for the drums and bass, that's why it should be covered. Van Halen did an awesome cover of Rock and Roll, and Wolfmother's Communication Breakdown was great, what makes you think Wavegroup will screw the song up? The are very talented musicians, and adding or subtracting some minor things wouldn't hurt.

[olithrow]

i wish they could have like 10 led zeppelin songs on it, instead of downloading an album,
including stairway, heartbreaker, immigrant song, whole lotta love, black dog, rock and roll, over the hills and far away, thank you, livin loving maid