Most overrated guitarist

[DSOTM]

spinoff of most overrated band
didnt make a poll because i dont want to
also slash

[fighting69th]

I am going to have to say Zakk Wylde. My least favorite Ozzy guitarist but he has had the job for the longest. He ruins every good old solo by Rhoads or Lee IMHO. Brad Gillis even remained more true than he does.

[buddymoops]

Kirk Hammett

[leftover_crack]

bucket head


his stuff isnt very hard to play its all kill switch

[CM_Drunk]

Angus Young, AC/DC.

I mean they are a great band. But is he really THAT great? I dont think so.

[Onslaught_fei]

Kurt Cobain. I mean seriously... WTF?!

[MAXX2667]

Im gonna have to go with Eddie Van Halen

[Runesmith]

Commercially? Hermann Li. Guitar wankery and ProTools DO NOT make you a great guitarist.

Critically? I'd have to agree DSOTM. Slash is a highly overrated guitarist. He's good, sure, but he isn't particularly innovative.

[CM_Drunk]

Kurt Cobain. I mean seriously... WTF?!

^^I never heard anybody consider Cobain a "Great guitarist".


Im gonna have to go with Eddie Van Halen

I wholeheartedly disagree. Listen to Eruption.

[darkangel]

Eddie Van Halen is an overrated person but he is a great guitar player. I'd have to say (and I know this is going to start something) Jimi Hendrix is by far the most overrated guitar player.

Bear in mind that this is my opinion but let me explain...

Yeah, the guy could play and he was very charismatic with his style... but in his short career he didnt actually do anything that was all that impressive; unless you count standing really close to the amp and setting your guitar on fire. strumming behind your head and with your teeth isnt exactly a difficult thing to do. Dont get me wrong, I love the guy's music. I dont hate him like I do the Beatles... but his stature as a guitar player is held far to high for someone who, had he not died so young, wouldnt be quite as famous for his work.

[Reaper Eclipse]

Angus Young.

Actually all of AC/DC is overrated.

[DSOTM]

Eddie Van Halen is an overrated person but he is a great guitar player. I'd have to say (and I know this is going to start something) Jimi Hendrix is by far the most overrated guitar player.

Bear in mind that this is my opinion but let me explain...

Yeah, the guy could play and he was very charismatic with his style... but in his short career he didnt actually do anything that was all that impressive; unless you count standing really close to the amp and setting your guitar on fire. strumming behind your head and with your teeth isnt exactly a difficult thing to do. Dont get me wrong, I love the guy's music. I dont hate him like I do the Beatles... but his stature as a guitar player is held far to high for someone who, had he not died so young, wouldnt be quite as famous for his work.

you have absolutely no idea why jimi hendrix is famous do you

[Steef]

Slash is overrated.
He's good and I love his stuff... but c'mon...

[KillBox]

you have absolutely no idea why jimi hendrix is famous do you

b/c he was one of the first black guys to really play rock music using an electric guitar, he had a gimmick where he played the guitar with his teeth, most of his hit songs were somebody elses before hand (ie all along the watchtower, hey joe), he died young, he played with charisma, he took recording methods/techniques from true innovators of the time and used them on his albums in the studio in the hopes people would think they were his ???

just a guess...

hendrix is by far not the worst famous guitarist but I do feel he is overrated...esp when some have named him the best guitarist of all time

[Rockbandfan23467]

Jeff Beck.

[OldFogey]

b/c he was one of the first black guys to really play rock music using an electric guitar, he had a gimmick where he played the guitar with his teeth, most of his hit songs were somebody elses before hand (ie all along the watchtower, hey joe), he died young, he played with charisma, he took recording methods/techniques from true innovators of the time and used them on his albums in the studio in the hopes people would think they were his ???

just a guess...

hendrix is by far not the worst famous guitarist but I do feel he is overrated...esp when some have named him the best guitarist of all time

WRONG!!! In all of Jimi's recorded work you find the two covers and tout them. True Watchtower was his highest charting single (he didn't have a lot of what could be called hits), but Hey Joe didn't chart at all in the states, and he had about ten of his own songs that did chart. And anyone who could listen to those songs and say he just did someone else's song just isn't listening.

Your comments about recording techniques are completely off the mark. Where do you get the idea he tried to claim any of those techniques as his own invention?

As for his rating as a guitarist -- there are a lot of reasons why he deserves the rating he gets, but what it comes down to is this -- Jimi consistently produced one memorable lick/solo after another filled with singable melodies and exquisite tone. There's no question that rock guitarists have expanded and improved their technique since the late 60's. At that time and place, Jimi was in the forefront, esp. in his use not only of effects but of chord forms. I have no doubt if he had lived he would have been like a Jeff Beck, continuing to grow and expand his technique.

[Parodygm]

Jeff Beck.

Not familiar with his entire ouevre by any stretch, but some of his soloing on the Roger Waters album Amused to Death I thought was sensationally emotive.

[DSOTM]

b/c he was one of the first black guys to really play rock music using an electric guitar, he had a gimmick where he played the guitar with his teeth, most of his hit songs were somebody elses before hand (ie all along the watchtower, hey joe), he died young, he played with charisma, he took recording methods/techniques from true innovators of the time and used them on his albums in the studio in the hopes people would think they were his ???

so he was famous because he was black, gimmicks, he took other peoples song AND HE DIDNT ADD HIS OWN STYLE TO IT, and he took other peoples techniques and went "LOL THESE ARE MINE"?
I guess you haven't heard All Along the Watchtower, because it sounds almost completely different than Bob Dylan's original version. It wasn't famous because it was a cover, it was famous because not only was it a great song, but also, as Bob Dylan said, "he could find things inside a song and vigorously develop them."

[OldFogey]

Not familiar with his entire ouevre by any stretch, but some of his soloing on the Roger Waters album Amused to Death I thought was sensationally emotive.

If you can get a hold of his album "Truth," do it. It's one of my all-time favorite rock albums. It was his first post-Yardbirds album and featured his band with Rod Stewart singing and Ronnie Wood (later lead guitarists for Faces and the Stones) on bass.

Here's a taste:
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This was my third favorite live band of the 60's, after Cream and Hendrix.

[buddymoops]

ban the guy who said hendrix

hendrix=god

[BhindBluEyes430]

ban the guy who said hendrix

hendrix=god

I definatly Agree

now when it comes to

Clapton=God thats where i would differ. I think Eric clapton Is very overrated. and I have seen him live with cream on their 3 show reunion in NYC. He's nothing special really. He is a little two technical amd his blues songs arent that good. He improvises but still he seems to have little soul. And there are much better blues players. Plus his solo work isent that good

[OldFogey]

I definatly Agree

now when it comes to

Clapton=God thats where i would differ. I think Eric clapton Is very overrated. and I have seen him live with cream on their 3 show reunion in NYC. He's nothing special really. He is a little two technical amd his blues songs arent that good. He improvises but still he seems to have little soul. And there are much better blues players. Plus his solo work isent that good

If you're judging him by his later output, I can understand why you'd downgrade him.

Clapton peaked with the first edition of Cream. Even on their original farewell tour I thought he wasn't playing as well as he had when we saw them before.

But Clapton with Mayall, then with the first edition of Cream, definitely deserved all the praise he got.

[Bodabo240]

everyone in this forum is on crack! lol

[CM_Drunk]

Id like to change my vote to Pete Townshend.










*Waits for BhindBluEyes430 to have a meltdown*

[BhindBluEyes430]

If you're judging him by his later output, I can understand why you'd downgrade him.

Clapton peaked with the first edition of Cream. Even on their original farewell tour I thought he wasn't playing as well as he had when we saw them before.

But Clapton with Mayall, then with the first edition of Cream, definitely deserved all the praise he got.

In cream he was amazing and Same with "Derk And the Dalminos" But after that he gets way too much praise. songs like Cocain, I shot the sherif, Wonderfull tonight. they aren't really that good and his solos are nothing special. And his blues jamming that hes been doing recently insent very good in my opinion

with Mayall he was the best I loved those songs.

still not enough to be called "God"

lol CM_Drunk. any reasons why?

[DSOTM]

clapton=demigod

[CM_Drunk]

lol CM_Drunk. any reasons why?

LOL. Nope. Im prob only a few feet behind you in the "Gimme Whos Next or Im jumping off this Cliff" stance. I love The Who, and Townshend.

I just wanted to see if you were going to give me a 4 paragraph post ranting, raving, and flaming me.

Just trying to have some forum fun.

Seriously. Angus Young is still my pick for most overrated. Hes good. He has had some great riffs. But he isnt one of the greatest, if you ask me.

[BhindBluEyes430]

LOL. Nope. Im prob only a few feet behind you in the "Gimme Whos Next or Im jumping off this Cliff" stance. I love The Who, and Townshend.

I just wanted to see if you were going to give me a 4 paragraph post ranting, raving, and flaming me.

Just trying to have some forum fun.

Seriously. Angus Young is still my pick for most overrated. Hes good. He has had some great riffs. But he isnt one of the greatest, if you ask me.

lol I thought so. Yea im too tired of doing that stuff haha. I was going to say dident you post a couple times on the WHO'S Next Thread.

Yea Angus is overrated technicaly wise. but his solos are very catchy and stick in your head

[Poop Shovel]

Pete Townsend is the most overrated guitarist ever. Great song writer but terrible singer and overrated guitarist.

I do have some comments on the others that are listed here......

1) Eddie Van Halen...come on, he practically invented the "tapping" style. How can that be overrated. If you think he is overrated, grab a real guitar and try to play "Eruption". Make sure you post it Youtube so we can laugh at you.

2) Hendrix....OMG.....mail me some of the stuff you are smoking !!!! Hendrix influenced a whole generation of guitar players.....overrated???

3) Angus Young....He is the king of the 3 note cords but his riffs are clasic. Hard to top his solo's also. When I first started playing real guitar AC/DC did have the easiest riffs to play but took me ALONG time to learn most of his solo's. I wouldn't consider Angus overrated at all plus no one really mentions him as a guitar great anyway.

[zDisturbedOnez]

I am going to have to say Zakk Wylde. My least favorite Ozzy guitarist but he has had the job for the longest. He ruins every good old solo by Rhoads or Lee IMHO. Brad Gillis even remained more true than he does.

Zakk Wylde is not overrated. I feel he gets all the respect he deserves. While he is one of my favorites I dont feel he is the greatest. Zakk should have has his place as being one of the best. Look at all the musicians Ozzy has played with over the years and the one that has stayed the longest is Zakk. If he wasnt cutting it Ozzy would have gotten rid of him a long time ago.

[a21schizoidman]

jimmy page is the most overrated guitarist, by far

[Parodygm]

If you can get a hold of his album "Truth," do it. It's one of my all-time favorite rock albums. It was his first post-Yardbirds album and featured his band with Rod Stewart singing and Ronnie Wood (later lead guitarists for Faces and the Stones) on bass.

This was my third favorite live band of the 60's, after Cream and Hendrix.

Thanks for the heads up, I'll definitely look out for it. :)

[darkangel]

ban the guy who said hendrix

hendrix=god

ban yourself... the topic is "overrated guitarist" and I gave my opinion and even went ahead and explained why. in the meantime the dope who started this thread just threw Slash out there when it is highly well known that Slash is an extremely well accomplished guitarist and one of the better still playing today. matter of a fact Slash is better than Hendrix ever was. Hendrix is not god nor is he godlike... he is just a middle of the heap guitarist who would still be considered mediocre if he was still alive. You want guitar gods ? look to Jimmy Page, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Randy Rhoads, David Gilmour, Eddie Van Halen, Jeff Beck, Joe Satriani, Frank Zappa... the list goes on and on. These people reinvented guitar playing... IMO Hendrix doesnt fit the bill.

[gilnutz]

Steve Vai, Sure he can tap like nobodies business but he can't write a song worth a lick!

[gilnutz]

Kurt Cobain. I mean seriously... WTF?!

Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Poop Shovel]

I think people list Hendrix as a god since his "style" of playing was like nothing ever seen before his time. He is not technical at all but I can't hold that against him since he played with his feelings and emotions.

I can list 20-30 people better than Jimmy but hard to list someone as overrated when he influenced a whole generation of guitarist.

[tylerkeyisme]

Cobain, Hendrix, Young.

*locks thread*

[Rockbandfan23467]

Anyone who says Cobain=Fail.

[JMcQ77]

ban yourself... the topic is "overrated guitarist" and I gave my opinion and even went ahead and explained why. in the meantime the dope who started this thread just threw Slash out there when it is highly well known that Slash is an extremely well accomplished guitarist and one of the better still playing today. matter of a fact Slash is better than Hendrix ever was. Hendrix is not god nor is he godlike... he is just a middle of the heap guitarist who would still be considered mediocre if he was still alive. You want guitar gods ? look to Jimmy Page, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Randy Rhoads, David Gilmour, Eddie Van Halen, Jeff Beck, Joe Satriani, Frank Zappa... the list goes on and on. These people reinvented guitar playing... IMO Hendrix doesnt fit the bill.

I don't know where to start with this one...Slash is better than Hendrix?? Really? Try telling Slash that. He'd think that's just as absurd as most of this forum does.

Fogey's remarks regarding Mr. James Marshall Hendrix were spot on. I'd suggest re-reading them. Simply, Hendrix may have been the most innovative guitarist of any generation, let alone the generation that produced Clapton, Page, and Townshend.

As for those claiming Angus Young is overrated, I wonder what you're listening to? Forget the 3-chord progressions and instead, focus on his brilliant blues soloing. I'd suggest listening to the Back in Black solo for a lesson on solo construction and economy of notes (David Gilmour is similar in this way). Simply brilliant.

[polishdog90]

bucket head


his stuff isnt very hard to play its all kill switch

Ok I don't know who rated Buckethead super high, but most people I know haven't even heard of him (and if they have its jordan from gh). Now for you to say his stuff is easy to play is very ignorant. You have probably only heard Jordan from GH2.

For His Technical Skills:
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Keep in mind that this is purely to show his technical skills. I actually prefer his slower songs to his mindless shredding. When you post a video playing what he plays in this video you are allowed to say his stuff is easy to play.

For actual songs I love this one:
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[Shredder87]

Ok I don't know who rated Buckethead super high, but most people I know haven't even heard of him (and if they have its jordan from gh). Now for you to say his stuff is easy to play is very ignorant. You have probably only heard Jordan from GH2.

For His Technical Skills:
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Keep in mind that this is purely to show his technical skills. I actually prefer his slower songs to his mindless shredding. When you post a video playing what he plays in this video you are allowed to say his stuff is easy to play.

For actual songs I love this one:
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Whitewashed is pretty sweet.

[yelladog32]

Eddie Van Halen is an overrated person but he is a great guitar player. I'd have to say (and I know this is going to start something) Jimi Hendrix is by far the most overrated guitar player.

Bear in mind that this is my opinion but let me explain...

Yeah, the guy could play and he was very charismatic with his style... but in his short career he didnt actually do anything that was all that impressive; unless you count standing really close to the amp and setting your guitar on fire. strumming behind your head and with your teeth isnt exactly a difficult thing to do. Dont get me wrong, I love the guy's music. I dont hate him like I do the Beatles... but his stature as a guitar player is held far to high for someone who, had he not died so young, wouldnt be quite as famous for his work.

Check out his Blues album. That is his best work imo. There is an acoustic version of one of his covers on there that is very good.


As for an overrated guitarist, I can't really comment because I'm under the belief that if you create a style that is distinct and noticeable that people will know your name, than you've done something.

[sandman2471]

Kurt Cobain

[Rockbandfan23467]

Kurt Cobain
Only RS rates him highly. He's not overrated at all.

[KillBox]

WRONG!!! In all of Jimi's recorded work you find the two covers and tout them. True Watchtower was his highest charting single (he didn't have a lot of what could be called hits), but Hey Joe didn't chart at all in the states, and he had about ten of his own songs that did chart. And anyone who could listen to those songs and say he just did someone else's song just isn't listening.

Your comments about recording techniques are completely off the mark. Where do you get the idea he tried to claim any of those techniques as his own invention?

As for his rating as a guitarist -- there are a lot of reasons why he deserves the rating he gets, but what it comes down to is this -- Jimi consistently produced one memorable lick/solo after another filled with singable melodies and exquisite tone. There's no question that rock guitarists have expanded and improved their technique since the late 60's. At that time and place, Jimi was in the forefront, esp. in his use not only of effects but of chord forms. I have no doubt if he had lived he would have been like a Jeff Beck, continuing to grow and expand his technique.

i grow tired of all the people on here who write things like hendrix=god...please, if you really believe this you are a sad individual

he was a middle of the road guitarist and nothing more....he had no great songs IMO and when you listen to his work nothing stands out all that much...his vocals are terrible IMO as well

you cannot deny he was using recording techniques that were created by other artists during that same time period and after hearing about them he used them and never gave any credit to anybody...

as for artists during that time who were better than him on guitar? Beck, Clapton, Page, Zappa and the list goes on...

I listed those two songs as examples, if you would like me to give other songs where he used others work just let me know and I'll list them for you.

Hendrix has become MUCH more famous and "god like" since his death than when he was alive....somehow he was lifted to the realms of the "gods of rock" since his death

I am just listing reasons why I think that Hendrix is overrated...I think people need to step back and really analyze the facts of his career and so called "contributions" instead of just wildly claiming he is a guitar god...he was a good guitarist no doubt, but nothing really revolutionary or superior compared to other guitarists of his day

[Shredder87]

i grow tired of all the people on here who write things like hendrix=god...please, if you really believe this you are a sad individual

he was a middle of the road guitarist and nothing more....he had no great songs IMO and when you listen to his work nothing stands out all that much...his vocals are terrible IMO as well

you cannot deny he was using recording techniques that were created by other artists during that same time period and after hearing about them he used them and never gave any credit to anybody...

as for artists during that time who were better than him on guitar? Beck, Clapton, Page, Zappa and the list goes on...

I listed those two songs as examples, if you would like me to give other songs where he used others work just let me know and I'll list them for you.

Hendrix has become MUCH more famous and "god like" since his death than when he was alive....somehow he was lifted to the realms of the "gods of rock" since his death

I am just listing reasons why I think that Hendrix is overrated...I think people need to step back and really analyze the facts of his career and so called "contributions" instead of just wildly claiming he is a guitar god...he was a good guitarist no doubt, but nothing really revolutionary or superior compared to other guitarists of his day
Argument against Fogey?! You lose buddy. He lived through that era. He saw how much of a staple Jimi was, how he influenced a generation of musicians.

[BhindBluEyes430]

he was a middle of the road guitarist and nothing more....he had no great songs IMO and when you listen to his work nothing stands out all that much...his vocals are terrible IMO as well

as for artists during that time who were better than him on guitar? Beck, Clapton, Page, Zappa and the list goes on...


I am just listing reasons why I think that Hendrix is overrated...I think people need to step back and really analyze the facts of his career and so called "contributions" instead of just wildly claiming he is a guitar god...he was a good guitarist no doubt, but nothing really revolutionary or superior compared to other guitarists of his day

Hendrix was definatly the most influential Guitarist of The 60's. No other guitarist can touch that. Besideds the fact he was one of the first musicitians to begin analising his own music. He Was a Master of improvising being able to litiraly compose a solo while playing it. (Something few can master) still he was the first

Beck No way
Clapton Alright but still no
Page not even close I would like to add him to the list of most overrated because he is the most generic player ive ever herd all his solos sound similar. STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN WASEN'T SPECIAL.

Zappa I cannot comment because ive never really listend to him. But from what Ive herd he was an amazing composer but not the best guitarist.

so yea he did do alot of revolutionary work compared to other guitarists of his day.

[a21schizoidman]

Page not even close I would like to add him to the list of most overrated because he is the most generic player ive ever herd



couldn't agree more

[KillBox]

Argument against Fogey?! You lose buddy. He lived through that era. He saw how much of a staple Jimi was, how he influenced a generation of musicians.

that is one man's opinion...I was not alive in the 60's but I have read extensively on the music and bands in those days and I do know many people who were alive in that time and who say hendrix was overrated...sorry buddy, looks like you lose and I don't think Fogey needs any help from the likes of you in this debate

[KillBox]

Hendrix was definatly the most influential Guitarist of The 60's. No other guitarist can touch that. Besideds the fact he was one of the first musicitians to begin analising his own music. He Was a Master of improvising being able to litiraly compose a solo while playing it. (Something few can master) still he was the first

Beck No way
Clapton Alright but still no
Page not even close I would like to add him to the list of most overrated because he is the most generic player ive ever herd all his solos sound similar. STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN WASEN'T SPECIAL.

Zappa I cannot comment because ive never really listend to him. But from what Ive herd he was an amazing composer but not the best guitarist.

so yea he did do alot of revolutionary work compared to other guitarists of his day.

haha ok

nobody said anything about stairway to heaven although it is better than anything ever produced by the who and one of the most iconic rock songs gee, I don't know...EVER

you are gonna say that beck wasn't good and clapton was just alright? OK....

do you mean analyzing his own music? ummm artists had been doing that for a long time before hendrix...probably since people ever played music actually...and I know for a fact that most big artists of that day spent some time reflecting on their music and how to improve it...just some more than others

zappa was an extremely talented guitarist and composer

and you never stated what he did that was so revolutionary...analyzing his own music and improvising???

don't get me started on your comments about Page...you know so little about him and his playing (from your comments) that I won't even waste my time debating about him with you

and pete townshend?? talk about overrated

[a21schizoidman]

that is one man's opinion...I was not alive in the 60's but I have read extensively on the music and bands in those days and I do know many people who were alive in that time and who say hendrix was overrated...sorry buddy, looks like you lose and I don't think Fogey needs any help from the likes of you in this debate

I read a lot about World War II, but it doesn't mean I can argue against anyone who lived through it, I don't stand a chance.

[polishdog90]

that is one man's opinion...I was not alive in the 60's but I have read extensively on the music and bands in those days and I do know many people who were alive in that time and who say hendrix was overrated...sorry buddy, looks like you lose and I don't think Fogey needs any help from the likes of you in this debate

If you really read extensively on music you would know the impact on music that Jimi made. He saw music differently and played with a style that is unique to this day. Not many guitarist can play lead and rhythm guitar at the same time and make it sound good. You previously stated "he was a middle of the road guitarist and nothing more". That is such an ignorant statement. Its widely excepted that Jimi Hendrix was a great guitarist. I guess all of the critics and fans are wrong and you are right. Are you one of those people that just dislikes popular beliefs because they are popular?

[alexlucky0]

Hendrix was definatly the most influential Guitarist of The 60's. No other guitarist can touch that. Besideds the fact he was one of the first musicitians to begin analising his own music. He Was a Master of improvising being able to litiraly compose a solo while playing it. (Something few can master) still he was the first

Beck No way
Clapton Alright but still no
Page not even close I would like to add him to the list of most overrated because he is the most generic player ive ever herd all his solos sound similar. STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN WASEN'T SPECIAL.

Zappa I cannot comment because ive never really listend to him. But from what Ive herd he was an amazing composer but not the best guitarist.

so yea he did do alot of revolutionary work compared to other guitarists of his day.


All of jimmy's solos sound the same? name 2 that sound even remotely similar

[DSOTM]

@theguythatsaidthatslashisgood
slash is decent at best
theres nothing special about the **** he plays. its all generic, he doesnt even have a very original style

[BhindBluEyes430]

haha ok

nobody said anything about stairway to heaven although it is better than anything ever produced by the who and one of the most iconic rock songs gee, I don't know...EVER

you are gonna say that beck wasn't good and clapton was just alright? OK....

don't get me started on your comments about Page...you know so little about him and his playing (from your comments) that I won't even waste my time debating about him with you

and pete townshend?? talk about overrated

Ok I can name about 10 song off top of my head that are Better and just as iconic. really lets compare Won't Get fooled again to Stairway lets see who wins that.

As i stated before clapton was only really good with Mayall ,Cream , and Derk And The Dominos. But he wasent very revolutionary.

The only Guitarist more Generic than page is Angus young but at least angus's solos are catchy.

I used to be a huge led zeppelin fan. But I got bored with them quickly once I listend to the whos "Tommy". All pete townshend BTW He never plays the same thing the same way twice and unlike most guitarists his style has changed drasticaly. Look at his solos now compared to the 1960's or 70's. He realised that solos are showy and are not ment to be drawn out or they get boring.

Ok Ive never read into page or any of that ****. But I have seen the madison square garden DVD. Every solo sounds the same. He uses some melodic notes the shreads and all his shreading sounds the same modulating between major and minor keys and reppeating the same licks

[a21schizoidman]

I used to be a huge led zeppelin fan. But I got bored with them quickly once I listend to the whos "Tommy". All pete townshend BTW He never plays the same thing the same way twice and unlike most guitarists his style has changed drasticaly. Look at his solos now compared to the 1960's or 70's. He realised that solos are showy and are not ment to be drawn out or they get boring.


Clapton was alright with D&tD, better with the Yardbirds

and I like Townshend, he is pretty good, but fairly overrated as a guitarist, an amazing songwriter tho, and yes, I know you are gonna flame me for saying he is overrated at all

[BhindBluEyes430]

Clapton was alright with D&tD, better with the Yardbirds

and I like Townshend, he is pretty good, but fairly overrated as a guitarist, an amazing songwriter tho, and yes, I know you are gonna flame me for saying he is overrated at all

oh yea i forgot about the yardbirds although i never really found them that great but they where influential bringing blues into mainstream

Its alright most people never really see his guitar work you have to listen closely and watch alot of live vids. But What he did for Rhythm Of rock is unmatched. No other guitarist Puts so much soul into the Rhythm.

[Shredder87]

that is one man's opinion...I was not alive in the 60's but I have read extensively on the music and bands in those days and I do know many people who were alive in that time and who say hendrix was overrated...sorry buddy, looks like you lose and I don't think Fogey needs any help from the likes of you in this debate
The fact that you're trying to force the issue upon everybody baffles me. Don't be mad of the fact that you're part of the minority, and you want your voice to be heard. Plus it only helps out that most of his songs are the most covered. Ex. Little Wing, Voodoo Chile.
And you can yell at BluEyes. Nobody mentioned Stairway To Heaven.

[Daytman]

ban the guy who said hendrix

hendrix=god
Pathetic.

Hendrix, Angus, Herman Li, or Jimmy Page.

And nobody said Kurt Cobain was great. He just wrote really catchy, really good songs. You don't need skill to do that.

[harper83087]

personally i think malmsteen is an overrated guitarist...he can play fast as hell yes but hes very sloppy from what ive seen. also everyone who wants to be like him i.e. Herman Li

[fighting69th]

Neither Sam or Herman are overrated. Just look at how much they shred.

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[Daytman]

Neither Sam or Herman are overrated. Just look at how much they shred.

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Lmao, that was hilarious.

[Rockbandfan23467]

Chuck Berry.

[OldFogey]

As i stated before clapton was only really good with Mayall ,Cream , and Derk And The Dominos. But he wasent very revolutionary.

Revolutionary is relative to a point in time. And if you think Clapton wasn't revolutionary at the point in time he cut his landmark records with Mayall, then you just don't have the musical context. That is the first white blues player who immediately had credibility with the blues greats. His vibrato was totally unique. His tone was unmatched.

[OldFogey]

i grow tired of all the people on here who write things like hendrix=god...please, if you really believe this you are a sad individual

he was a middle of the road guitarist and nothing more....he had no great songs IMO and when you listen to his work nothing stands out all that much...his vocals are terrible IMO as well

you cannot deny he was using recording techniques that were created by other artists during that same time period and after hearing about them he used them and never gave any credit to anybody...

as for artists during that time who were better than him on guitar? Beck, Clapton, Page, Zappa and the list goes on...

I listed those two songs as examples, if you would like me to give other songs where he used others work just let me know and I'll list them for you.

Hendrix has become MUCH more famous and "god like" since his death than when he was alive....somehow he was lifted to the realms of the "gods of rock" since his death

I am just listing reasons why I think that Hendrix is overrated...I think people need to step back and really analyze the facts of his career and so called "contributions" instead of just wildly claiming he is a guitar god...he was a good guitarist no doubt, but nothing really revolutionary or superior compared to other guitarists of his day

Who did anything with feedback like Jimi before he did?

Who played lead and rhythm simultaneously before him?

Who played bass and rhythm or lead at the same time, like he did (wrapping his hand all the way around the neck and thumbing the bass notes)?

Who played chords in fourth position to intermingle lead and rhythm lines?

Who used wah-wah to make the guitar cry, laugh, sing, talk -- not just rock it back and forth like Clapton on Ulysses and White Room. Beck did it later. So did Cippolina from Quicksilver.

This doesn't even begin to cover how land-breaking Jimi was.

NO OTHER GOOD SONGS? I can't reply to that because I make it a rule to stay civilized.

More famous after his death???!!!! Not even close to true -- in fact what's happened is that people like you are using the distance of time to diminish what an incredible creative force Jimi was.

As for whether Eric, Jimmy, Frank, Jeff, etc. were better -- I think it takes a rather complicated argument to make any such claim. But, just ask yourself -- how many guitarists study their riffs and solos. I don't think there's any doubt Jimi's solos and riffs are studied and copied even by pros (think of the number of Little Wing covers) more than any other guitarist of that era, maybe of any era.

And whatever you're trying to say about recording techniques -- Jimi never claimed to be a revolutionary recording pioneer. And everyone was using the techniques so why should he give special credit? That's a bs argument.

Now -- if you have evidence that he copied like you claim, ante up!

[Shredder87]

YEAH!!!! Tu dile a ese cabron!!!!! I've never seen Fogey get steamed, AND IT RULES!!!!!

[AxlVanHagar]

Neither Sam or Herman are overrated. Just look at how much they shred.

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Oh Hell that was funny as f**k!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[AxlVanHagar]

YEAH!!!! Tu dile a ese cabron!!!!! I've never seen Fogey get steamed, AND IT RULES!!!!!

Yea really! :eek: FOG-EY! FOG-EY! FOG-EY! FOG-EY! FOG-EY!

[KillBox]

Ok I can name about 10 song off top of my head that are Better and just as iconic. really lets compare Won't Get fooled again to Stairway lets see who wins that.

As i stated before clapton was only really good with Mayall ,Cream , and Derk And The Dominos. But he wasent very revolutionary.

The only Guitarist more Generic than page is Angus young but at least angus's solos are catchy.

I used to be a huge led zeppelin fan. But I got bored with them quickly once I listend to the whos "Tommy". All pete townshend BTW He never plays the same thing the same way twice and unlike most guitarists his style has changed drasticaly. Look at his solos now compared to the 1960's or 70's. He realised that solos are showy and are not ment to be drawn out or they get boring.

Ok Ive never read into page or any of that ****. But I have seen the madison square garden DVD. Every solo sounds the same. He uses some melodic notes the shreads and all his shreading sounds the same modulating between major and minor keys and reppeating the same licks

ok, compare the two songs....i'll wait...but don't think you are going to seriously state why won't get fooled again is better...objectively at least

your statements about clapton are false and somebody already answered why for me (thanks fogey :D)

page is far from generic...you really should do yourself a favor and explore zeppelin more...listen to ALL of their songs/albums, watch some more concert footage, read a decent biography on them or page...i'm telling you, you will not come away from all that thinking page is generic in any way...

pete townshend....ok, not playing the same thing twice is all fine and great but other bands were doing that too...almost every zep concert there was a great deal of improv and that sometimes also stretched out some of their songs out to 30 mins in length....i am saying this b/c what you say makes the who so great was also done by another band which you are quick to degrade...this is where RESEARCH comes in handy

and i've seen that footage also and I will say they page has a certain style/tone when he plays rock and he will use some of the same licks in other solos but he always makes sure to elaborate on them or mix them in with new material...one thing i love about his guitar playing is his distinctive sound and also his versatility...he can play edgy dirty rock one song and play soulful and emotional blues the next...and don't even say there is no emotion in page's solos...that couldn't be further from the truth

[JMcQ77]

that is one man's opinion...I was not alive in the 60's but I have read extensively on the music and bands in those days and I do know many people who were alive in that time and who say hendrix was overrated...sorry buddy, looks like you lose and I don't think Fogey needs any help from the likes of you in this debate

I know I can't change your opinion. I'm just some guy that you've never met and may, or may not, have qualifications to talk about guitar players. I'm guessing, however, that the following people are eminently qualified:

"I PUT ON MY HENDRIX ALBUM AND MY SON SAID, 'DADDY, WHO'S THAT ?' AND I SAID, 'WELL SON, THAT'S GOD'" - Robert Plant

"ABSOLUTELY THE BEST GUITAR PLAYER THAT EVER LIVED; THERE WAS NO ONE EVEN IN THE SAME BUILDING AS THAT GUY." - Neil Young

"HENDRIX WAS FAR ABOVE THE LEVEL OF OTHER GUITAR PLAYERS." - Mike McCready

"IF THE CARDS WERE DOWN IN REALITY I WOULD HAVE TO ADMIT, EVEN THEN, THAT WHAT I WAS DOING WAS JUST NOWHERE WITH WHAT HE WAS DOING." - Eric Clapton

"Jimi Hendrix could play better than our best guys and he did it while he was dancing while being completely outrageous." - David Crosby

"I couldn't believe how good Jimi Hendrix was It was a really difficult thing for me to deal with, but I just had to surrender and say, 'This is fantastic.'" - Eric Clapton

"Jimi Hendrix was the most exciting guitarist I've ever heard." - Brian Jones

"He was Jimi Hendrix! He didn't sound like anybody else but himself. He was like Charlie Parker in his way of playing, he played well, he was a person that made waves. When you heard Jimi Hendrix you knew it was Jimi Hendrix, he introduced himself in his instrument... You know, many radio stations play records and a lot of the times they don't call out the names who you just listened to, but when they play Jimi Hendrix, you don't have to tell me, [you know] it's Jimi Hendrix..." - B.B. King

"... you watch Jimi Hendrix literally reinvent the instrument. He was playing from somewhere else. He was really a kind of hybrid, and I can't even begin to imagine where he came from " - Steve Vai

[KillBox]

Now -- if you have evidence that he copied like you claim, ante up!

here you go Fogey....

All Along the Watchtower Originally by Bob Dylan
Blue Suede Shoes Originally by Carl Perkins
Born Under a Bad Sign Originally by Albert King
Catfish Blues Originally by Muddy Waters
Gloria Originally by Them
Hey Joe Originally by The Leaves
Hoochie Coochie Man Originally by Muddy Waters And His Guitar
(I Can't Get No) Satisfaction Originally by The Rolling Stones
Johnny B. Goode Originally by Chuck Berry
Like a Rolling Stone Originally by Bob Dylan
Mannish Boy Originally by Muddy Waters
Rock Me Baby Originally by B.B. King
Star Spangled Banner Originally written by Francis Scott Key
Sunshine of your Love Originally by Cream
Wild Thing Originally by The Wild Ones

anyways not everyone was using those recording techniques at the time so maybe some credit was due...however, this is really just a point that his studio techniques were copies not originals

let's say hendrix was the first one to do ALL of those things....nobody ever needed to (or has needed to)...there is always somebody to play the lead somebody to play bass or what have you...obviously you can play those yourself like hendrix may have but what's the point...i don't really view those as revolutions...something like say the beatles to the rolling stones would be more revolutionary as far as music is concerned....I'll give you that they may have been evolutionary at the time but that's all I'm giving you

as far as jimi's solos/riffs...slash can walk on stage and play hey joe and eric johnson/satriani/vai can walk on stage and play red house or whatever else jimi played....so what? it would be much more of a challenge for someone to try and play vai's material than hendrix...do you have any stats on the amount of artists that have studied jimi's work??

it's safe to say that we are never going to agree on this...i respect your opinion on hendrix and i do give more merit to them since you were alive during that time but i have to balance your opinion, my opinion, the opinion's of others I have spoken to who were alive during that time, the historical facts, and finally the actual music of Hendrix which I can listen to at any time...with all that said, I still feel Hendrix is overrated...maybe not the MOST overrated ever but when it comes to the sound appeal of his music as a whole...overrated none the less IMO

[a21schizoidman]

ok, compare the two songs....i'll wait...but don't think you are going to seriously state why won't get fooled again is better...objectively at least

your statements about clapton are false and somebody already answered why for me (thanks fogey :D)

page is far from generic...you really should do yourself a favor and explore zeppelin more...listen to ALL of their songs/albums, watch some more concert footage, read a decent biography on them or page...i'm telling you, you will not come away from all that thinking page is generic in any way...

pete townshend....ok, not playing the same thing twice is all fine and great but other bands were doing that too...almost every zep concert there was a great deal of improv and that sometimes also stretched out some of their songs out to 30 mins in length....i am saying this b/c what you say makes the who so great was also done by another band which you are quick to degrade...this is where RESEARCH comes in handy

and i've seen that footage also and I will say they page has a certain style/tone when he plays rock and he will use some of the same licks in other solos but he always makes sure to elaborate on them or mix them in with new material...one thing i love about his guitar playing is his distinctive sound and also his versatility...he can play edgy dirty rock one song and play soulful and emotional blues the next...and don't even say there is no emotion in page's solos...that couldn't be further from the truth

I've watched Zep footage and own damn near every album and listen to them, Page is overrated. Not saying he is a bad guitarist, but there are at least 30 better than him.

[KillBox]

I've watched Zep footage and own damn near every album and listen to them, Page is overrated. Not saying he is a bad guitarist, but there are at least 30 better than him.

I really don't need to debate yet another person in this stupid thread but why is he overrated? remember, Page isn't commonly listed as a "God" like Hendrix...just as a damn good guitar player

you've actually watched the royal albert hall footage from 70' and saw page play i cant quit you baby and you still say he is overrated? and that was back in freakin 70'

and his worst studio solo (technical standpoint anyways) is the one in heartbreaker which was totally improvised and was still better than most solos during that time and since IMO...especially taking into account the improv feature

and just for the record for everybody watching this thread...page is in my top 8 or so guitarists...i do not think that he is the best guitarist ever but in time context plus in terms of his guitar playing and his style (personal as well as musical) I put him in the top 3 rock guitarists of all time

[AxlVanHagar]

here you go Fogey....

All Along the Watchtower Originally by Bob Dylan
Blue Suede Shoes Originally by Carl Perkins
Born Under a Bad Sign Originally by Albert King
Catfish Blues Originally by Muddy Waters
Gloria Originally by Them
Hey Joe Originally by The Leaves
Hoochie Coochie Man Originally by Muddy Waters And His Guitar
(I Can't Get No) Satisfaction Originally by The Rolling Stones
Johnny B. Goode Originally by Chuck Berry
Like a Rolling Stone Originally by Bob Dylan
Mannish Boy Originally by Muddy Waters
Rock Me Baby Originally by B.B. King
Star Spangled Banner Originally written by Francis Scott Key
Sunshine of your Love Originally by Cream
Wild Thing Originally by The Wild Ones



Great googly moogly! There's a difference to covering a song , which is what Jimi did, to copying a song , which is what Led Zeppelin did.

[a21schizoidman]

I really don't need to debate yet another person in this stupid thread but why is he overrated? remember, Page isn't commonly listed as a "God" like Hendrix...just as a damn good guitar player

you've actually watched the royal albert hall footage from 70' and saw page play i cant quit you baby and you still say he is overrated? and that was back in freakin 70'

only thing Page can do decently is jam, which many guitarist can do, in a band he is boring and unimaginative


Robert Johnson is an amazing guitarist, and he was playing back in the 30s, so was Les Paul, and Chet Atkins

[OldFogey]

here you go Fogey....

All Along the Watchtower Originally by Bob Dylan
Blue Suede Shoes Originally by Carl Perkins
Born Under a Bad Sign Originally by Albert King
Catfish Blues Originally by Muddy Waters
Gloria Originally by Them
Hey Joe Originally by The Leaves
Hoochie Coochie Man Originally by Muddy Waters And His Guitar
(I Can't Get No) Satisfaction Originally by The Rolling Stones
Johnny B. Goode Originally by Chuck Berry
Like a Rolling Stone Originally by Bob Dylan
Mannish Boy Originally by Muddy Waters
Rock Me Baby Originally by B.B. King
Star Spangled Banner Originally written by Francis Scott Key
Sunshine of your Love Originally by Cream
Wild Thing Originally by The Wild Ones

anyways not everyone was using those recording techniques at the time so maybe some credit was due...however, this is really just a point that his studio techniques were copies not originals

let's say hendrix was the first one to do ALL of those things....nobody ever needed to (or has needed to)...there is always somebody to play the lead somebody to play bass or what have you...obviously you can play those yourself like hendrix may have but what's the point...i don't really view those as revolutions...something like say the beatles to the rolling stones would be more revolutionary as far as music is concerned....I'll give you that they may have been evolutionary at the time but that's all I'm giving you

as far as jimi's solos/riffs...slash can walk on stage and play hey joe and eric johnson/satriani/vai can walk on stage and play red house or whatever else jimi played....so what? it would be much more of a challenge for someone to try and play vai's material than hendrix...do you have any stats on the amount of artists that have studied jimi's work??

it's safe to say that we are never going to agree on this...i respect your opinion on hendrix and i do give more merit to them since you were alive during that time but i have to balance your opinion, my opinion, the opinion's of others I have spoken to who were alive during that time, the historical facts, and finally the actual music of Hendrix which I can listen to at any time...with all that said, I still feel Hendrix is overrated...maybe not the MOST overrated ever but when it comes to the sound appeal of his music as a whole...overrated none the less IMO

Covering is not copying. He gave credit to all those, didn't he? And the only two of those he released during his lifetime on a studio recording are the two you already mentioned.

I'm baffled by your responses to Hendrix's innovations -- you can't cite a counter-example, but you degrade them to "evolutionary" anyway. And then you say, "well you can always find someone else to play those parts." Okay, let's tell Segovia he only had to play the top line in a four voice Bach piece, 'cause we can have Julian Bream, John Williams and Christopher Parkening play the other parts.

I grant you guitar technique has advanced since the 60's -- I was very careful to compare him only to his contemporaries. So please don't introduce Vai and Satriani, who I happen to enjoy greatly. Or Slash. Standing on the shoulders of giants, as the saying goes.

I agree the final verdict comes from listening. I'll take Voodoo Chile, Little Wing and Watchtower over any combination of three songs from any of his contemporaries -- like the aforementioned Page, Clapton, Beck or Zappa. And I love those guys.

[DSOTM]

here you go Fogey....

All Along the Watchtower Originally by Bob Dylan
Blue Suede Shoes Originally by Carl Perkins
Born Under a Bad Sign Originally by Albert King
Catfish Blues Originally by Muddy Waters
Gloria Originally by Them
Hey Joe Originally by The Leaves
Hoochie Coochie Man Originally by Muddy Waters And His Guitar
(I Can't Get No) Satisfaction Originally by The Rolling Stones
Johnny B. Goode Originally by Chuck Berry
Like a Rolling Stone Originally by Bob Dylan
Mannish Boy Originally by Muddy Waters
Rock Me Baby Originally by B.B. King
Star Spangled Banner Originally written by Francis Scott Key
Sunshine of your Love Originally by Cream
Wild Thing Originally by The Wild Ones

Have you heard both Hendrix's and Dylan's versions of AAtW? Because I'm pretty sure you haven't, since you're saying that Hendrix copied it.

[KillBox]

only thing Page can do decently is jam, which many guitarist can do, in a band he is boring and unimaginative


you are making statements that only his former fellow band members are qualified to make and according to their statements, you are wrong (about the boring and unimaginative part that is)

[KillBox]

Have you heard both Hendrix's and Dylan's versions of AAtW? Because I'm pretty sure you haven't, since you're saying that Hendrix copied it.


I am not really saying he copied it exactly but the work is not based on an original idea

[BhindBluEyes430]

pete townshend....ok, not playing the same thing twice is all fine and great but other bands were doing that too...almost every zep concert there was a great deal of improv and that sometimes also stretched out some of their songs out to 30 mins in length....i am saying this b/c what you say makes the who so great was also done by another band which you are quick to degrade...this is where RESEARCH comes in handy


First off At least the who can improvise and keep it interesting not go on a 30 min tangent of just messing around with effects and "A Violin Bow" Page was very boring unless it was in smalll burst. Like communication brakedown def tops any other of his solos. Townshend knows to keep it short and sweet.

I did not know Eric clapton was the first white blues player. I Thought he was only in the Mayalls for 1 album. If this is true I will retract my formentiond statement on him being the most overrated.


yea at least hendrix credits the original artist instead of stealing it like some led zep songs

[KillBox]

Great googly moogly! There's a difference to covering a song , which is what Jimi did, to copying a song , which is what Led Zeppelin did.

incorrect, zeppelin did not copy... they did what hendrix did and took the original work and "made it their own" if you will...

granted, zeppelin did not always give credit to the original artist but in most cases the artist that zep took it from wasn't even the original anyways

plant was supposed to change the lyrics more than he did on some songs but he failed to do so...at least the guitar, drums, and bass were all changed

[DSOTM]

incorrect, zeppelin did not copy... they did what hendrix did and took the original work and "made it their own" if you will...

so let me get this straight
jimi hendrix covers a song and its copying, but led zep covers a song and its not copying?

[KillBox]

First off At least the who can improvise and keep it interesting not go on a 30 min tangent of just messing around with effects and "A Violin Bow" Page was very boring unless it was in smalll burst. Like communication brakedown def tops any other of his solos. Townshend knows to keep it short and sweet.

I did not know Eric clapton was the first white blues player. I Thought he was only in the Mayalls for 1 album. If this is true I will retract my formentiond statement on him being the most overrated.


yea at least hendrix credits the original artist instead of stealing it like some led zep songs

it's not a 30 min "tangent"...the entire band was playing not just page (and since you never went to a live concert by them you've never seen them do this so you can't say it was "boring" or a "tangent" and that "violin bow" you make fun of produces tones that are not possible w/o it...not to mention have you ever tried to play guitar with a violin bow? have you noticed that strings are not in an arch like on a violin? not as easy as you make it seem to be....so much for your argument about page being "boring" and "generic"

but i suppose townshend doing his "windmill" technique which was stolen from the rolling stones guitarist or smashing your guitar on stage is the greatest thing ever that a guitarist could do

[a21schizoidman]

you are making statements that only his former fellow band members are qualified to make and according to their statements, you are wrong (about the boring and unimaginative part that is)

this statement makes no sense whatsoever, just actually listen to him compared to most other guitarists of the era, he doesnt play great, he is too simple and dull

just because he was a member of zeppelin doesnt mean he is good

[KillBox]

so let me get this straight
jimi hendrix covers a song and its copying, but led zep covers a song and its not copying?

my statement said "they did what Hendrix did" ie they did the SAME THING

my point to fogey was that a lot of his songs were taken from ideas already out there which is what everyone is so quick to rip Zep for

[KillBox]

this statement makes no sense whatsoever, just actually listen to him compared to most other guitarists of the era, he doesnt play great, he is too simple and dull

just because he was a member of zeppelin doesnt mean he is good


i have and he does play great....simple?? dull?? you are kidding right?

[DSOTM]

geez
this topic went from being about the most overrated guitarists to how much led zeppelin sucks
what have i done

[BhindBluEyes430]

it's not a 30 min "tangent"...the entire band was playing not just page (and since you never went to a live concert by them you've never seen them do this so you can't say it was "boring" or a "tangent" and that "violin bow" you make fun of produces tones that are not possible w/o it...not to mention have you ever tried to play guitar with a violin bow? have you noticed that strings are not in an arch like on a violin? not as easy as you make it seem to be....so much for your argument about page being "boring" and "generic"

but i suppose townshend doing his "windmill" technique which was stolen from the rolling stones guitarist is the greatest thing ever that a guitarist could do

He is boring and generic i have watched concert footage so what are you talking about?

Townshend did winmills and jumps because he was having fun, BTW (Page jumps too but he half asses it) Townshend has energy that showed in hisplaying and his stage antics. He invented the guitar smash and subsiquently the Drum smashing. Not to be cool but because he was pissed off. Emotion made of so much of their music And perforamce. Its something i dont hear in many other bands

ut oh i see another Led Zep Vs. The Who thread coming (hides behind cover from flames)

[a21schizoidman]

i have and he does play great....simple?? dull?? you are kidding right?
none of these guys are dull, and must more interesting than page
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[MisterSchulz]

he had no great songs IMO and when you listen to his work nothing stands out all that much...his vocals are terrible IMO as well


I just had to jump in.. This quote about "no great songs" shocked me, as well as the statement that "most of his hits were just covers." I honestly don't know much about guitar playing, but Hendrix made great music. Purple Haze is a widely regarded as a great song, and it's not a cover. But it's not even about single "hits", he and the Experienced recorded 3 classic albums, and of the ~46 songs on those albums, 3 were covers. Led Zeppelin I alone has 3 covers.

Pretty much all of those songs that you listed as Hendrix covers were live recordings. Are you trying to say Hendrix is un-original? By the same method of argument then, you could say the Beatles and EVERY band out there are copycats. Everyone does covers, even your beloved Page and Zeppelin (or should I say especially them).

The Beatles:
Too Much Monkey Business - Chuck Berry
Roll Over Beethoven - Chuck Berry
Glad All Over - Carl Perkins
Baby It's You - The Shirelles
That's All Right (Mama) - Arthur Crudup
I Got A Woman - Ray Charles
Etc........

[KillBox]

He is boring and generic i have watched concert footage so what are you talking about?

Townshend did winmills and jumps because he was having fun, BTW (Page jumps too but he half asses it) Townshend has energy that showed in hisplaying and his stage antics. He invented the guitar smash and subsiquently the Drum smashing. Not to be cool but because he was pissed off. Emotion made of so much of their music And perforamce. Its something i dont hear in many other bands

ut oh i see another Led Zep Vs. The Who thread coming (hides behind cover from flames)


hahaha think of what I have done...I have to not only argue against fogey about why *gasp* Hendrix is overrated I also have to argue with everyone else about why Jimmy Page is not overrated....and now I have to argue why pete townshend is overrated....this has turned into an insane thread and I cannot even type the replies to one person w/o having two more comments made that I have to then reply to...

:eek::eek::eek:

at least you can't say I didn't try the impossible :D

[KillBox]

Everyone does covers, even your beloved Page and Zeppelin (or should I say especially them).


glad you brought that up (old news in this thread btw) but according to the facts, hendrix actually has many more covers than zep...nice try though

oh, and i don't care much for the beatles

[OldFogey]

I did not know Eric clapton was the first white blues player. I Thought he was only in the Mayalls for 1 album. If this is true I will retract my formentiond statement on him being the most overrated.

I need to be clearer -- I didn't say he was the first white blues player. I said he was the first white blues player that the black players adopted as one of their own. I stand by that. Just watch him with BB, Buddy Guy, Albert King, the rest. They knew what he was doing -- and that he was honoring them as well, and bringing them to a wider (and whiter) audience. He made being a white blues player legitimate. But there were other greats around at the time, most notably Peter Green who replaced him in Mayall's band, then went on to form Fleetwood Mac (and taught Gary Moore).

Eric only played on one Mayall album, that's true, but that one album is a legend. Have you listened to it, BluEyes? I think you'd really enjoy. I wish Eric had kept this tone throughout the rest of his career. God I love that Les Paul tone when it's done right -- better through a Fender than a Marshall in my opinion. (Better still through a Dumble -- check out Robben Ford or Larry Carlton.)

Allmusic says:

Bluesbreakers with Eric Clapton was Eric Clapton's first fully realized album as a blues guitarist -- more than that, it was a seminal blues album of the 1960s, perhaps the best British blues album ever cut, and the best LP ever recorded by John Mayall's Bluesbreakers.

[DSOTM]

a good guitar solo should not only be entertaining, but summarize the feeling of the whole entire song into a short 30 seconds and sometimes even 5 minutes
page was a master at doing this. as soon as the guitar solo in stairway to heaven begins i feel chills go down my spine

[a21schizoidman]

oh, and i don't care much for the beatles

well, now you have lost all credential

[KillBox]

a good guitar solo should not only be entertaining, but summarize the feeling of the whole entire song into a short 30 seconds and sometimes even 5 minutes
page was a master at doing this. as soon as the guitar solo in stairway to heaven begins i feel chills go down my spine

THANK YOU...a glimmer of hope still shines...I am not alone as I thought in this thread...I feel like I am defending a band like green day from the amount of hostility i'm getting...IT'S LED ZEPPELIN FOR GOD'S SAKE :confused:

btw I get that feeling when the solo in Achilles Last Stand starts up...more emotion in that than in anything I've ever heard from a rock band

[KillBox]

well, now you have lost all credential

uhhh, ok

don't you have another thread you can go reply in?

[DSOTM]

glad you brought that up (old news in this thread btw) but according to the facts, hendrix actually has many more covers than zep...nice try though

so what if he has more covers
everybody does covers during live shows
hendrix, however, played covers that were even better than the originals, he didnt take their idea, he expanded upon it

[BhindBluEyes430]

Eric only played on one Mayall album, that's true, but that one album is a legend. Have you listened to it, BluEyes? I think you'd really enjoy. I wish Eric had kept this tone throughout the rest of his career. God I love that Les Paul tone when it's done right -- better through a Fender than a Marshall in my opinion. (Better still through a Dumble -- check out Robben Ford or Larry Carlton.)


Ive listend to a few songs never the full album in one sitting though. and its been a while.

but some great songs off it i would say would be
What'd I Say (Great Ray Chales Cover)
Steppin' Out (love that tone too lol)
Ramblin' On My Mind
Another Man

Yea I guess i Retract my statement about clapton being overrated although after D&tD I still say hes a little overrated

[KillBox]

check out Robben Ford



what pickups does he use in his les paul? or are they stock?

[a21schizoidman]

so what if he has more covers
everybody does covers during live shows
hendrix, however, played covers that were even better than the originals, he didnt take their idea, he expanded upon it

Vanilla Fudge did almost all covers, and they are all amazing and sound completely different, same as Hendrix

[KillBox]

so what if he has more covers
everybody does covers during live shows
hendrix, however, played covers that were even better than the originals, he didnt take their idea, he expanded upon it


because the guy said ESPECIALLY zeppelin...well, hendrix had more so why not ESPECIALLY hendrix...he was going out of his way to insult zep cause he knew i like them and it backfired

jesus guys this is rediculous...I have to argue with someone else about something that I said to somebody else because of something they said to me that was out of place

most bands expand upon the original that they cover...pretty standard

[AxlVanHagar]

granted, zeppelin did not always give credit to the original artist ....

plant was supposed to change the lyrics more than he did on some songs but he failed to do so

Yea they copied and got sued successfully because of it. Thanks for playing.

[Catch-22]

glad you brought that up (old news in this thread btw) but according to the facts, hendrix actually has many more covers than zep...nice try though

oh, and i don't care much for the beatles

Ok, first I made an account just for this post because its ridiculous. Only two covers by Hendrix were release on albums. The rest are live in concert. I mean you counted a national anthem in your list seriously how many times have people covered that. Every band on the planet covers songs at live shows its a fact. Albums are another story and even then his covers sound nothing like the original recording which is the point of a cover. Furthermore, you talk about Page improving solos well listen to the Woodstock CDs that were released a few years back with all Hendrix's improv on it.

More on Page, I'll agree he is a great guitar player but other people here have made valid points. I may be young but I've listened to a lot of Zeppelin over the last few years and I can tell you where a Page solo is going before even he knew. They sound good but his CD versions are predictable and follow a standard pattern. They are by no means easy or bad but the fact remains they aren't unique through is body of work. Their are notable exceptions to this of course and I don't want to label all of this solos because he has produced a few exceptional recorded solos. Lastly, I can't talk about live concert stuff for Page I haven't watched any and can't afford Zep tickets.

So thats all I got take what you want out of it.

[OldFogey]

what pups does he use in his les paul? or are they stock?

It's actually Carlton's that he loaned to Robben. It's a '58. Don't know what pups they are. Here's a vid -- maybe you can tell enough to say. They look pretty stock to me, but I'm not a connoisseur.


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[MisterSchulz]

glad you brought that up (old news in this thread btw) but according to the facts, hendrix actually has many more covers than zep...nice try though

oh, and i don't care much for the beatles

But my point was that regardless of however many covers a band does, they should be judged predominantly on their original material. What you seemed to be doing was taking your list of LIVE covers, not featured on official album releases, and basing your decision on how original Hendrix was on that list. When in fact, those covers are merely for fun, live performances, for the most part. When you think of Hendrix, no one in the world will think immediately, or even after deep thought, of Mannish Boy, Born Under a Bad Sign, etc. So I don't understand why you are using those examples. Try making your argument using his official releases, the stuff he put out there to be taken seriously.

[KillBox]

Yea they copied and got sued successfully because of it. Thanks for playing.

they did not give proper credit in some cases and they were sued twice and settled out of court both times. what is your point? or do you even have one?

[DSOTM]

whole lotta loves guitar solo is what got me into led zeppelin

[KillBox]

Try making your argument using his official releases, the stuff he put out there to be taken seriously.

i already mentioned those...twice

[a21schizoidman]

what is your point? or do you even have one?

do you? im serious, do you?

[KillBox]

It's actually Carlton's that he loaned to Robben. It's a '58. Don't know what pups they are. Here's a vid -- maybe you can tell enough to say. They look pretty stock to me, but I'm not a connoisseur.


they are probably stock from the looks but there is no way to tell (at least for me) nice tone either way

[OldFogey]

whole lotta loves guitar solo is what got me into led zeppelin

Yep. Awesome solo. Same with Stairway. And I don't think there's ever been a better riff-writer than Jimmy.

[KillBox]

do you? im serious, do you?

umm I think I've made my points already like over 4 pages in this thread...i'm not going to retype all that...if you can't figure it out please quit posting in attempts to drag out this debate which you really weren't a part of to begin with anyways

[KillBox]

Yep. Awesome solo. Same with Stairway. And I don't think there's ever been a better riff-writer than Jimmy.

how did you find robben ford...i never heard of him before you on this forum but I like his tone and playing style

BTW what do you think of the solo in The Girl I Love? one of my favorite songs by Zep

[OldFogey]

how did you find robben ford...i never heard of him before you on this forum but I like his tone and playing style

First I heard of Robben he played on Miles of Aisles (live album) with Joni Mitchell. Then I found out he'd joined Charlie Musselwhite's blues band at age 18. He played with Miles Davis. Then started a great fusion band called Yellowjackets. Then he went off on his own. His career highlight is probably with a trio he had called the Blue Line. Those albums with the Blue Line are extremely highly recommended.

I am more than happy to pass along any recommendations. And I'm also glad to get new recommendations!! :D

[a21schizoidman]

First I heard of Robben he played on Miles of Aisles (live album) with Joni Mitchell. Then I found out he'd joined Charlie Musselwhite's blues band at age 18. He played with Miles Davis. Then started a great fusion band called Yellowjackets. Then he went off on his own. His career highlight is probably with a trio he had called the Blue Line. Those albums with the Blue Line are extremely highly recommended.

I am more than happy to pass along any recommendations. And I'm also glad to get new recommendations!! :D

I recommend Paco de Lucia when he plays with Mahavishnu John McLaughlin and Al Di Meola/Larry Coryell although I am sure you have heard them play together before

[jad1washere]

bucket head


his stuff isnt very hard to play its all kill switch

the only reason people think his songs are really hard is because of gh2 and that was a completey different song because cuz of that um solo thingy but i still think he is very good at guitar and he is my favriote guitarist and i like all is songs

[OldFogey]

BTW what do you think of the solo in The Girl I Love? one of my favorite songs by Zep

Funny thing went to youtube to refresh my memory of the tune -- and saw a comment saying, guess what, "Page is God"!! LOL

Anyway , back to this solo -- distinctively Page. He and Blackmore do this little stutter thing with a staccato attack that's very distinctive. I like that it's not the standard cliche licks. It's a nice solo. What I really love are solos where the melody line stays with you -- something that both the Whole Lotta Love and Stairway solos do. This one not so much for me.

[OldFogey]

I recommend Paco de Lucia when he plays with Mahavishnu John McLaughlin and Al Di Meola/Larry Coryell although I am sure you have heard them play together before

Great choices. Saw an awesome tour one time with Paco, Paco Rivera, Leo Kottke and Joe Pass. They did their separate things and then came together at the end. It was so sweet. Joe died not long after. What an awesome player.

Larry also did an acoustic collaboration with a Belgian player named Phillipe Catherine that is my favorite stuff from him. Sometimes he just becomes a blur of notes and I lose the musical thought. All the stuff with Phillipe is so musical.

Thanks for the recces, man.

[a21schizoidman]

Great choices. Saw an awesome tour one time with Paco, Paco Rivera, Leo Kottke and Joe Pass. They did their separate things and then came together at the end. It was so sweet. Joe died not long after. What an awesome player.

Larry also did an acoustic collaboration with a Belgian player named Phillipe Catherine that is my favorite stuff from him. Sometimes he just becomes a blur of notes and I lose the musical thought. All the stuff with Phillipe is so musical.

Thanks for the recces, man.

Yeah, Joe was, I had a track of him playing jazz with zappa once, amazing

[polishdog90]

do you? im serious, do you?

He does (have an opinion). He thinks Jimi Hendrix is overrated. This is his opinion. His opinion might not be a good one, but for whatever reason it is he doesn't feel that any of the innovative things that Jimi Hendrix did impacted music greatly enough to make him as highly respected as a guitar player as he is today.

and KillBox the Led Zeppelin and Hendrix covers are way different. Hendrix didn't release all of those covers in studio albums. He didn't claim that they were his original work either.

[a21schizoidman]

Great choices. Saw an awesome tour one time with Paco, Paco Rivera, Leo Kottke and Joe Pass. They did their separate things and then came together at the end. It was so sweet. Joe died not long after. What an awesome player.

Larry also did an acoustic collaboration with a Belgian player named Phillipe Catherine that is my favorite stuff from him. Sometimes he just becomes a blur of notes and I lose the musical thought. All the stuff with Phillipe is so musical.

Thanks for the recces, man.

this is my favorite jazz jam ever
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[OldFogey]

this is my favorite jazz jam ever
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Yeah!!!

Going a whole different direction -- this is where bluegrass meets pop meets jazz meets sheer genius:. Chris Thile (mandolin) and Brian Sutton (guitar)

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[DSOTM]

bucket head


his stuff isnt very hard to play its all kill switch

im guessing jordan is the only song by buckethead youve heard

[a21schizoidman]

Yeah!!!

Going a whole different direction -- this is where bluegrass meets pop meets jazz meets sheer genius:. Chris Thile (mandolin) and Brian Sutton (guitar)

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kinda reminds me of Chet Atkins and Duane Eddy

[polishdog90]

im guessing jordan is the only song by buckethead youve heard

Thats exactly what I said. See page 4 for my response.

[DSOTM]

Thats exactly what I said. See page 4 for my response.

well then i agree with you :>

[jad1washere]

im guessing jordan is the only song by buckethead youve heard

well jordan isnt the only song with that sound but most of his song are different

[Vorral]

I must say that reading through all 13 pages of this is like watching two drunken knights trying to joust on a muddy field while being lit on fire. You know something bad is going to happen and no one is going to live, but you can't turn away.

To add my two cents to the original topic, I have a hard time trying to state who's overrated as I can't play a guitar. But that won't stop me from making an opinion...and I know I'm going to get crucified for it, but I can't help it. I think that Jeff Beck is overrated. There. I said it. I know he's great and all, much better than me and most of the guitarists I listen to, but I just can't "get it." When I listen to anything he's done (which is admittedly a smattering), I can't get into what he's doing. Maybe if someone could point me in the direction of something that I've been missing, then I could recant, but...yup, Jeff Beck. Sorry.

[CM_Drunk]

I cant believe I just read 8 + pages of a Page vs. Townshend debate.

You guys raise great points when it comes to the positive things your saying about the guitarists in question, although the knocks on each others faves are weak if you ask me.

I mean arguing about Page, Townshend, and Hendrix is like arguing about whether sex is better with blondes, brunettes, or redheads. ITS ALL GOOD. Your trying to bash people who DESERVE to be mentioned in the Greatest Ever debate.

Now....I have stated previously that Angus Young imo is overrated. I would also like to add Tom Morello to the mix as well. And I love RATM and tbh its probably one of the most influential bands from my teenage years. But I do truly believe he is overrated.

[DSOTM]

tom morello is pretty overrated
sure he can make his guitar sound different but when he does the song gets pretty boring. i mean the guitar solo for bulls on parade sounds pretty good but honestly its really boring

[Shredder87]

The argument!!! It's over!!!!! I started feeling bad for Killbox there was no point to start bash on Page. There was no point for that except to try to make him feel bad.
Anyways to the matter at hand. Tom Morrello can pull of some sweet leads......when he feels like it. It seems he's too busy trying to find new effects to go with his guitar.

[darkangel]

I don't know where to start with this one...Slash is better than Hendrix?? Really? Try telling Slash that. He'd think that's just as absurd as most of this forum does.


and Ozzy thinks that The Beatles were the greatest rock band in history (funny how the singer of the most underrated band in history would praise the most overrated band in history)... so what ? I never said that Hendrix sucked anyway, I said he was overrated. He was NOT innovative, unless strumming with your teeth and setting your guitar on fire are anything other than piss poor gimmicks. Either way, that doesn't mean I don't appreciate the music. The person you referred me to, said that Hendrix influenced a lot of people. You confuse influence with talent (or at least talent enough to be noted among the greatest in your field) Hendrix is popular, popular brings fans, fans want to emulate, and some actually make it. that doesnt mean he deserves the title he has. case in point... New kids on the block, Milli Vanilli, and Vanilla Ice were all PAINFULLY popular at one point in time... they even influenced people to get into the music business. In the meantime, very few people have the shear talent that Yngwie Malmsteen has and who in the hell claims him as an influence ?

whatever though, I wouldnt even care that you flamed my opinion, I only felt the need to defend it when that dope called for me to be banned because I said that a guy, who's only real claim to fame is that he composed feedback, is overrated.



As for those claiming Angus Young is overrated, I wonder what you're listening to? Forget the 3-chord progressions and instead, focus on his brilliant blues soloing. I'd suggest listening to the Back in Black solo for a lesson on solo construction and economy of notes (David Gilmour is similar in this way). Simply brilliant.

Uh, yeah ... I never said Angus Young was overrated... matter of a fact I mentioned Gilmour as one of the greats.

[DSOTM]

He was NOT innovative, unless strumming with your teeth and setting your guitar on fire are anything other than piss poor gimmicks.

I still stand by what I said earlier.
You have NO IDEA why Hendrix is considered the god of guitar, don't you?

[CM_Drunk]

and Ozzy thinks that The Beatles were the greatest rock band in history (funny how the singer of the most underrated band in history would praise the most overrated band in history)... so what ? I never said that Hendrix sucked anyway, I said he was overrated. He was NOT innovative, unless strumming with your teeth and setting your guitar on fire are anything other than piss poor gimmicks. Either way, that doesn't mean I don't appreciate the music. The person you referred me to, said that Hendrix influenced a lot of people. You confuse influence with talent (or at least talent enough to be noted among the greatest in your field) Hendrix is popular, popular brings fans, fans want to emulate, and some actually make it. that doesnt mean he deserves the title he has. case in point... New kids on the block, Milli Vanilli, and Vanilla Ice were all PAINFULLY popular at one point in time... they even influenced people to get into the music business. In the meantime, very few people have the shear talent that Yngwie Malmsteen has and who in the hell claims him as an influence ?

whatever though, I wouldnt even care that you flamed my opinion, I only felt the need to defend it when that dope called for me to be banned because I said that a guy, who's only real claim to fame is that he composed feedback, is overrated.



Uh, yeah ... I never said Angus Young was overrated... matter of a fact I mentioned Gilmour as one of the greats.



So lemme get this straight.

The Beatles are overrated? LOL
Sabbath is underrated? another LOL
Hendrix is overrated? yet....
Angus Young is NOT overrated?

So you think the Beatles have less talent as a band then Sabbath did, and you also think Angus is a better guitarist then Hendrix?

DAMN

EDIT: I know this isnt the thread for it, but I would love to hear how you think Ozzy (Way way way overrated imho) stacks up against other lyricists in rock history. Putting his gimmicks aside, that is.

[Jhail83]

I still stand by what I said earlier.
You have NO IDEA why Hendrix is considered the god of guitar, don't you?

I think most people just equate the "best" with being the most technically gifted...which isn't necessarily true. David Gilmour wasn't the most technical, but I love to listen to him play. his tone is incrdible , and he is the master of doing so much with so little playing!

Now with that said , I don't think Hendrix is necessarily the best, as picking out the best guitarist is too hard, but he deserves all his praise.

[OldFogey]

I think most people just equate the "best" with being the most technically gifted...which isn't necessarily true. David Gilmour wasn't the most technical, but I love to listen to him play. his tone is incrdible , and he is the master of doing so much with so little playing!

Now with that said , I don't think Hendrix is necessarily the best, as picking out the best guitarist is too hard, but he deserves all his praise.

Totally agree -- it's about the music, and the technique has to serve the music. I find the analogy to Gilmour interesting -- what was so strong about him was his melodic sense. The almost singable solos. Well, I think Jimi had the same knack. I find Jimi's solos almost universally melodic. He never overwhelmed with speed licks. And he rarely fell into the standard cliches. I think he and Gilmour were actually very similar in that way.

[DSOTM]

The almost singable solos.

i lolled because he sings along with his solo during wish you were here
and if that songs in rock band the singer should have to do that too

[TheCrimsonSaint]

I'm just gonna say that Randy Rhoads should never be mentioned on this list. Neither should Jimi Hendrix (someone already did? EPIC FAIL) or Dave Murray. My most overrated: Eric Clapton.

[OldFogey]

i lolled because he sings along with his solo during wish you were here
and if that songs in rock band the singer should have to do that too

Yeah -- it's actually a habit I've tried to get into with my own playing. If I don't actually sing out loud, I try to sing in my head.

George Benson was really famous for singing along with his solos, too.

There's a vid on youtube posted of some "slowhand" guitar players who have this knack. Gilmour wasn't on the list, but could have been. So could Jimi.

here's the vid, hope you enjoy:

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[BhindBluEyes430]

There's a vid on youtube posted of some "slowhand" guitar players who have this knack. Gilmour wasn't on the list, but could have been. So could Jimi.

here's the vid, hope you enjoy:

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great vid is it Clapton?

One thing i love about some really old blues songs is how they sing with the solo. some players can also imitate the human voice really good with a slide. Derek trucks is one

[Shredder87]

....Randy Rhoads should never be mentioned on this list.
Um.....I will be the one to say it. I truly don't like this fellow(Well I don't like Ozzy solo. No More Tears was pretty sweet......When BLS plays it). I don't see how he became such a staple. I've gotten into arguments on why he's "the man" with my drummer uncle, and on how I dislike him. He mentioned that he integrated the classical aspect of guitar into metal. I don't hear it I told him. Someone please, enlighten me. I would love to hear other peoples opinions.

[TheCrimsonSaint]

Randy, I will admit, is a bit of an acquired taste because of the way he played his guitar (sometimes very screechy and high, I believe the term is "soaring"), but must people have just acquired it, myself more than others it would appear. If you don't like him, it's unlikely you ever will unless you give solo Ozzy some serious listening, which I do not blame you for not doing. Ozzy has been terrible since the Sabbath days. Even now with the reunion, it's almost hilarious watching him on-stage.

[AxlVanHagar]

Um.....I will be the one to say it. I truly don't like this fellow(Well I don't like Ozzy solo. No More Tears was pretty sweet......When BLS plays it). I don't see how he became such a staple. I've gotten into arguments on why he's "the man" with my drummer uncle, and on how I dislike him. He mentioned that he integrated the classical aspect of guitar into metal. I don't hear it I told him. Someone please, enlighten me. I would love to hear other peoples opinions.


Yep your Uncle nailed it. Randy brought some of the classical element into metal. Key thing here is element. He wasn't busting out Beethoven or Mozart pieces by any means but it was certain stylistic choices and techniques.

Randy being classically trained took that influence as he evolved to the more metal style he did with Ozzy. The way he picks/plucks the strings, hand positioning, and of course some of his phrasing and scale choices. All of that stuff is now pretty standard in this day and age but way back when he helped found Quiet Riot in 1977 and then moved on to Ozzy in 1979 it was revolutionary stuff. No one had done that before.

I'm not sure who if any of the classical composers were an influence to Randy but I'd be willing to bet it was guys like Niccolo Paganini. I know he was an influence of Yngwie's. Randy continued to take guitar lessons from anyone he could. If he was on tour with Ozzy he'd seek out someone in the city they were in that had a good reputation and would set up a lesson. He always wanted to continue keeping up with and learning new techniques especially in the classical arena. If he hadn't dies so young and tragically I don't think he would have stayed with Ozzy much longer. I figure he would have wound going total classical at some point.

Here's a few things of Randy's that show some of the classical element I mentioned. Again most of this is very standard today so it may not be obvious or seem real special but back then not at all. Hard Rock metal was a lot of blues based techniques, scales, etc.

Dee (this is the most obvious example)
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Mr. Crowley ( Chord progression that Bom-Bom-Bommm, section of the 1st solo, 2nd solo and the bridge before it)
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Diary of a Madman (into big time, the finger picked section in the middle of the song)
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Revelation Mother Earth (another pretty obvious one for the classical influence)
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Hope that helps ya some Shredder. :D

Edit: As a reference here's som Paganini , he was a violinist 1742-1842) Maybe that will help calrify somw of what I was trying to point out above.

Niccolo Paganini A brief overview
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Nicolo.Paganini.24.Caprices 5
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Caprice 24 on Violin
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Caprice 24 on guitar
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[Rockbandfan23467]

I'll say it again:

Chuck Berry

[kablooy]

SLASH!!!!!!!!!!!


i cant tell if hes blacvk or white. wtf.

[OldFogey]

great vid is it Clapton?

One thing i love about some really old blues songs is how they sing with the solo. some players can also imitate the human voice really good with a slide. Derek trucks is one

It's actually four different guys --

Mick Taylor, Mayall's Bluesbreakers, "The Bear", Blues from Laurel Canyon album -- this vid actually pisses me off because it stops right before the really good part. This tune is a study in British blues. This whole album is a master course in the blues.
Paul Kossoff, Free, I think the tune is "Remember"
John Cippolina, Quicksilver Messenger Service, "The Fool" from self-titled debut album -- this is one of my all-time favorite tunes. He gets the growling sound at the start by using wah-wah and rubbing the pick across the winding on the lower strings
Jim Messina, Loggins and Messina, I can't recall the tune from the solo and I'm not near my L&M stuff to look it up.

[Rockbandfan23467]

SLASH!!!!!!!!!!!


i cant tell if hes blacvk or white. wtf.
His Dad was White and his Mom was Black, so I guess he's Gray.

[zephead13]

I think Hendrix is overrated. Maybe I haven't listened to enough of his work but from what I have heard I didn't really like it.

[BhindBluEyes430]

It's actually four different guys --

Mick Taylor, Mayall's Bluesbreakers, "The Bear", Blues from Laurel Canyon album -- this vid actually pisses me off because it stops right before the really good part. This tune is a study in British blues. This whole album is a master course in the blues.
Paul Kossoff, Free, I think the tune is "Remember"
John Cippolina, Quicksilver Messenger Service, "The Fool" from self-titled debut album -- this is one of my all-time favorite tunes. He gets the growling sound at the start by using wah-wah and rubbing the pick across the winding on the lower strings
Jim Messina, Loggins and Messina, I can't recall the tune from the solo and I'm not near my L&M stuff to look it up.

What album is the mick taylor song off of. yea I would love to hear the whole song. when you said slowhand I thought you meant Clapton. But there are many great slowhand type solos. I was Always taught that you can never just shred you have to kind of let the phrase you just played sink in with the listener.

Why do all led zep fans not like hendrix lol

[OldFogey]

What album is the mick taylor song off of. yea I would love to hear the whole song. when you said slowhand I thought you meant Clapton. But there are many great slowhand type solos. I was Always taught that you can never just shred you have to kind of let the phrase you just played sink in with the listener.

Why do all led zep fans not like hendrix lol

The album is Mayall and the Bluesbreakers, Blues from Laurel Canyon. Mick was 19. That is one of my desert island albums. I like it even better than Clapton's classic with Mayall.

If you don't know Quicksilver's debut album, I recommend that extra highly as well. A fantastic two guitar attack with contrasting styles. Strong vocals, with good harmonies. And a tremendous collection of songs.

[BhindBluEyes430]

The album is Mayall and the Bluesbreakers, Blues from Laurel Canyon. Mick was 19. That is one of my desert island albums. I like it even better than Clapton's classic with Mayall.

If you don't know Quicksilver's debut album, I recommend that extra highly as well. A fantastic two guitar attack with contrasting styles. Strong vocals, with good harmonies. And a tremendous collection of songs.

I never really listend to Quicksilver but Ill give em another try.
And Ill have to pick up that album. I have "A hard road" And I really like alot of the songs edspecialy "Evil woman blues"

[OldFogey]

I never really listend to Quicksilver but Ill give em another try.
And Ill have to pick up that album. I have "A hard road" And I really like alot of the songs edspecialy "Evil woman blues"

Quicksilver after the debut was hit and miss. But the debut is right up there with Moby Grape's debut as the best album to come out of San Francisco in the 60's.

Hard Road is awesome -- My rankings of Mayall albums


Blues from Laurel Canyon -- Taylor in top form. Probably most consistent set of songs
Hard Road -- Peter Green.
Bluesbreakers with Eric Clapton -- the best tracks are as good as it gets, but I don't think it's quite as consistent as the top two
Crusade -- first with Taylor
The Turning Point -- acoustic. AWESOME
Blues Alone


Blues Alone isn't quite as consistent but it has one tune, Broken Wings, which is my favorite Mayall tune of all time.

[Rockbandfan23467]

Why do all led zep fans not like hendrix lol

I like both, but if I had to choose, I'd pick Zeppelin.

[KillBox]

I went back and listened to some Hendrix stuff I hadn't heard before (out of fairness) songs like catfish blues and then I listened to songs I have heard before like purple haze and all along the watchtower and while catfish blues was nicely done and it was some of the best that I have heard come from Hendrix ...I am just not all that impressed...maybe it's not so much that I don't appreciate his guitar skills but I just can't get past his style/sound...it just doesn't appeal to me...even if he were playing the guitar with his mind alone with no hands It still wouldn't matter because it just doesn't sound good to me

I'll put it another way, if Page's guitar pieces sounded like that I wouldn't like Page a whole lot either...no matter how good of a player he was/is

I just thought that I would at least let all the Hendrix advocates know that I did give him another listen with all of what you guys said about him in mind and that is the conclusion that I came to...like it or not, that's where I stand

on a side note...I was listening to Zep's version of the lemon song today and the opening (until about 1:28 into the song) sure does remind me of Hendrix...everytime I hear it I can't get over how much it sounds like something Hendrix would play

[polishdog90]

Um.....I will be the one to say it. I truly don't like this fellow(Well I don't like Ozzy solo. No More Tears was pretty sweet......When BLS plays it). I don't see how he became such a staple. I've gotten into arguments on why he's "the man" with my drummer uncle, and on how I dislike him. He mentioned that he integrated the classical aspect of guitar into metal. I don't hear it I told him. Someone please, enlighten me. I would love to hear other peoples opinions.

Randy Rhoads was great and his playing was especially great for his time. His technical playing was at least equal to Eddie Van Halen's, but he gets hardly any credit.

This is a Randy Rhoads solo from the late 70s:
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and watch the solos in the previous posted Mr.Crowley video. They are just nuts especially since he recorded all of those in 1980 and had been playing them live since before then.

[synA7X]

I think that keith richards is by FAR the most overrated guitarist of all time...i dont see anything remotely special in his playing...but i am a fan of the stones so...

And Jimmy Page is a close close second...

[Shredder87]

I still stand by my stance on the guy(Randy Rhoads.) Kinda like Dio. I've listened to him, didn't dig it, and I will probably not listen to it on my own time. Like I've tried to(And Ozzy as a whole, as I love Ozzy-Sabbath era.), but I just end up putting something else on. Kinda like MGS. I've tried to play it(since Snake is a cool character), but I end up throwing it out the window and play Splinter Cell.

[DSOTM]

Why do all led zep fans not like hendrix lol

hey whats up

[DSOTM]

but I just can't get past his style/sound...it just doesn't appeal to me...

you
you couldve said that from the start and prevented ten pages of arguing over whether hendrix is better than led zep or not :/

[AxlVanHagar]

I still stand by my stance on the guy(Randy Rhoads.) Kinda like Dio. I've listened to him, didn't dig it, and I will probably not listen to it on my own time. Like I've tried to(And Ozzy as a whole, as I love Ozzy-Sabbath era.), but I just end up putting something else on. Kinda like MGS. I've tried to play it(since Snake is a cool character), but I end up throwing it out the window and play Splinter Cell.


Like I said in response to your Dio comments, at least ya gave it a fair shot and remianed open minded. Everyone has different tastes. Much respect to you sir!:cool:

[Head For METAL]

im gonna go with Bucket Head
i dont reall have a reason... too much tapping? i dunno but there ya go lol

[DSOTM]

i dont how anyone can call buckethead overrated
i mean, i understand if you dont like his stuff and dont think hes that good, but hes completely missing the "over" part of "overrated"
barely anybody even knows about him

[Rockbandfan23467]

MAB
Steve Vai
Malmsteem
Randy Rhoads
Eddie Van Halen
Brian May
Jeff Beck
Chuck Berry

[Shredder87]

MAB
Steve Vai
Malmsteem
Randy Rhoads
Eddie Van Halen
Brian May
Jeff Beck
Chuck Berry
EDDIE?! Ah man!!! I would love to hear why he's overrated!!!!! Well maybe he is overrated, ON KEYBOARD!!!!!hahahahahaha

[Jhail83]

Is it just me or do people on these forums think the definition of "overrated guitarist" is A guitarist that plays music I don't like, Even if the guitarist is a great guitarist....lol

[TheCrimsonSaint]

MAB
Steve Vai
Malmsteem
Randy Rhoads
Eddie Van Halen
Brian May
Jeff Beck
Chuck Berry

I'm sorry, you must have the wrong thread.

[Rockbandfan23467]

EDDIE?! Ah man!!! I would love to hear why he's overrated!!!!! Well maybe he is overrated, ON KEYBOARD!!!!!hahahahahaha
Eddie is hyped by guitar magazines. If Jimi, Page, and Clapton were still alive/had a band/didn't go soft they would get talked about just as much.

[Shredder87]

Eddie is hyped by guitar magazines. If Jimi, Page, and Clapton were still alive/had a band/didn't go soft they would get talked about just as much.
I still fail to see your reasoning.

[Rockbandfan23467]

I still fail to see your reasoning.
EVH's fame is like a manufactured boy band almost.

[Shredder87]

EVH's fame is like a manufactured boy band almost.
.....I still fail to see your reasoning. Last time I checked, almost every famous guitarist get's posted on a mag.

[Rockbandfan23467]

.....I still fail to see your reasoning. Last time I checked, almost every famous guitarist get's posted on a mag.
Ok then, I just think EVH is an overrated guitarist. He just is too me.

[TheCrimsonSaint]

Ok then, I just think EVH is an overrated guitarist. He just is too me.

(Listens to "Eruption"). Yeah, you fail.

[fighting69th]

Ok then, I just think EVH is an overrated guitarist. He just is too me.


Revolutionize a technique and get cast as the latest addition to overrated guitarists? Would you say the say about Dimebag? I would say he is overrated but don't want to get flamed lol

[DSOTM]

(Listens to "Eruption"). Yeah, you fail.

eruption gets boring after the first 3 listens

[KillBox]

I've never seen anybody say steve vai is overrated....maybe you meant underrated since he doesn't get near the attention that guitarists with 1/10th of his skill do??

[Jhail83]

This discussion really needs a limitation. 1st off we need to define Overrated. Are we talking about from a technical standpoint or the actual music(which is subjective).

[Rockbandfan23467]

What kind of nutball would call Steve Vai underrated? He's overrated!

[partyboydanial]

Yngwie Malmsteen- hes extremely good but not as amazing as claimed to be

Dave Mustaine- hes good but i dont see why ppl see hes like one of the best

Randy Rhoads- great guitarist but cant be as good as everyone claims since his career and life was short lived maybe if he was alive longer to do more work he wud be one of the best.

[TheCrimsonSaint]

Good call on Dave Mustaine. He's probably one of the greatest rhythm guitarists there are, but his solos aren't particularly inventive or impressive.

[KillBox]

What kind of nutball would call Steve Vai underrated? He's overrated!


overrated? your stupidity knows no bounds...

[Rockbandfan23467]

overrated? your stupidity knows no bounds...

He gets TONS of attention all over! He's widely held as great! He's famous! He's got all sorts of recignition from all over the world! He's overrated!

[KillBox]

He gets TONS of attention all over! He's widely held as great! He's famous! He's got all sorts of recignition from all over the world! He's overrated!

he's famous but not nearly as famous as his talent warrants and not as famous as others with less talent are = can't be overrated = you're wrong = end of discussion

eric johnson is in the same boat IMO

[Rockbandfan23467]

Did I mention he has tons of mindless fans like you?

[Shredder87]

Did I mention he has tons of mindless fans like you?
Who said he's a fan? I agree with Killbox on this one(Though I don't think there should be any name callings, my chums.). He definately doesn't enough attention to where he can be in the disscussion on whether he's overrated or not. Outside of musicians and music enthusiastics, nobody knows who the hell this dude is.

[Quinarvy]

Herman Li and Sam Totman, speed=/=amazingness.

Yes, they are obviously skilled, but I mean, come on, people act as though they are the greatest guitarists ever.

[_GABO_]

I'd have to say (and I know this is going to start something) Jimi Hendrix is by far the most overrated guitar player.

I whole-heartedly agree with Miss Alba here. Hendrix played good music, sure, but he wasn't all that amazing.

[OldFogey]

he's famous but not nearly as famous as his talent warrants and not as famous as others with less talent are = can't be overrated = you're wrong = end of discussion

eric johnson is in the same boat IMO

EJ is an amazing player, but even as big a fan as I am I have to say the music itself (the tunes) don't all live up to the same standard as his playing.

I have one nit to pick with his playing -- when he plays the blues, for me, there's just something missing. The notes are there, but somehow the feeling isn't. Check out his playing on Red House with G3 and tell me if you agree or disagree. Compare with a real blues player like Gary Moore, Buddy Whittington, Mick Taylor, Buddy Guy, BB, Albert....

EJ with Satriani and Vai
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Gary Moore
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[KillBox]

EJ is an amazing player, but even as big a fan as I am I have to say the music itself (the tunes) don't all live up to the same standard as his playing.

I have one nit to pick with his playing -- when he plays the blues, for me, there's just something missing. The notes are there, but somehow the feeling isn't. Check out his playing on Red House with G3 and tell me if you agree or disagree. Compare with a real blues player like Gary Moore, Buddy Whittington, Mick Taylor, Buddy Guy, BB, Albert....


I'd agree to an extent...ej doesn't play blues with the emotion and vigor that blues players do...he hits every note just fine but he doesn't add any "dirt" to it or soul...it's like he captured the notes themselves perfectly but he didn't capture the emotion behind them quite as well...if that makes any sense ??

[OldFogey]

I'd agree to an extent...ej doesn't play blues with the emotion and vigor that blues players do...he hits every note just fine but he doesn't add any "dirt" to it or soul...it's like he captured the notes themselves perfectly but he didn't capture the emotion behind them quite as well...if that makes any sense ??

It does. He's extremely precise in a way Gary Moore isn't it. But I also think there's actually a technical element, too -- EJ tends to hit the notes right on the beat. But the blues has a bit of a swing feel, some forms more than others. And swing is a little ahead or behind the beat, depending on the style. It's like listening to a classical player try to play jazz.

[TheCrimsonSaint]

I whole-heartedly agree with Miss Alba here. Hendrix played good music, sure, but he wasn't all that amazing.

Jimi's playing wasn't all about the music. It was about the feeling and the fact that he was the first person to harness distortion to perfection. Here's some food for thought:

"When he started to play, something changed: colours changed, everything changed."-Pete Townshend.

"Up there on stage, right in front of my face, he destroyed me with that guitar. H-bombs were going off, army planes were dropping their bombs. I went home after that concert awed, and I sat and cried."-Unknown

Jimi wasn't always about sounding good to the ear. He was always about moving the soul. He remains, rightfully so, the closest a guitar player has ever come to a god. R.I.P.
http://altamontapparel.com/images/contributors/jimi-hendrix.jpg

[sandman2471]

also for new generation ****

Herman Li is serverly overrated.

[deevineh8tred]

slash. cant stand all the hype he gets lol if u want some talent kerry king is the man!

[Shredder87]

slash. cant stand all the hype he gets lol if u want some talent kerry king is the man!
I'm a huge Slayer fan(Lombardo Era), and I even know that Kerry King can't shred if his life depeneded on it. You know he's not that great when you're doodling on guitar, and your friend goes, "Kerry King that s***!!!!"

[deevineh8tred]

I'm a huge Slayer fan(Lombardo Era), and I even know that Kerry King can't shred if his life depeneded on it. You know he's not that great when you're doodling on guitar, and your friend goes, "Kerry King that s***!!!!"

yeah im still in the denial stage though lol but yeah i can play all their stuff on guitar so i know where ur coming from, ill be there soon lol f it, im there now thanks for the help lol

[BedBeats]

Eddie Van Halen is an overrated person but he is a great guitar player. I'd have to say (and I know this is going to start something) Jimi Hendrix is by far the most overrated guitar player.

Bear in mind that this is my opinion but let me explain...

Yeah, the guy could play and he was very charismatic with his style... but in his short career he didnt actually do anything that was all that impressive; unless you count standing really close to the amp and setting your guitar on fire. strumming behind your head and with your teeth isnt exactly a difficult thing to do. Dont get me wrong, I love the guy's music. I dont hate him like I do the Beatles... but his stature as a guitar player is held far to high for someone who, had he not died so young, wouldnt be quite as famous for his work.

Wow....so i guess you dont know of his vast and ultimately influential inventions...and techniques.

The real answer is Ace Frehley.

[fighting69th]

Wow....so i guess you dont know of his vast and ultimately influential inventions...and techniques.

The real answer is Ace Frehley.


Personally I think Paul Stanley is better than Ace Freely. Nice call.

[SteveoKnievo]

Jimmy Page is extremely overrated

[WhiffleBallTony]

Eddie Van Halen is an overrated person but he is a great guitar player. I'd have to say (and I know this is going to start something) Jimi Hendrix is by far the most overrated guitar player.

Bear in mind that this is my opinion but let me explain...

Yeah, the guy could play and he was very charismatic with his style... but in his short career he didnt actually do anything that was all that impressive; unless you count standing really close to the amp and setting your guitar on fire. strumming behind your head and with your teeth isnt exactly a difficult thing to do. Dont get me wrong, I love the guy's music. I dont hate him like I do the Beatles... but his stature as a guitar player is held far to high for someone who, had he not died so young, wouldnt be quite as famous for his work.

The thing about Jimi is that he did things that hadn't been done before.

In my opinion, playing fast cannot make you great. If you go YouTube and look up a cover of a very fast solo by what one might consider the greatest because of that solo, you'll probably be able to find someone who nobody's heard of play it.

You need to expand to be great. The great players are people like Robert Johnson, Adres Segovia, Jimi Hendrix, Tom Morello, etc. Do things that nobody has done before you.

However, Jimi didn't just expand, he did things that took massive skill. He could play two melodies and sing all at the same time. Just listen to "Little Wing". It's pretty evident in that song. I respect him quite a lot, however, he did get a bit too rambunctious.

Now, the person I consider the most overrated guitarist is probably Michael Angelo Batio for the above reasons. Speed doesn't make greatness.