Guitar options for PS3

[gmanjack]

So I figured out that the GHIII guitar doesnt work with Rock Band and read a few posts and learned why. Are there any other options for getting a second guitar.....preferably one that has the feel of the GHIII guitar?

[MF-PO'd]

Right this instant, the answer is still unfortunately no.

We will have options in April though:

Nyko has their guitar coming out which should have a more GH3 feel to it (compared to the Strat)
http://www.nyko.com/nyko/products/?i=130

Of course, the individual Strats themselves are coming out.

TAC has multiple guitars coming out. The Widow Maker looks most intriguing.
http://store.theantcommandos.com/Guitar_Hero_Controller_s/1.htm

TAC is also coming out with an adapter which may make various guitars interoperable across different games.
http://store.theantcommandos.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=GTR%2DPS3%2DADPT

[Nirvana041191]

Right this instant, the answer is still unfortunately no.

We will have options in April though:

Nyko has their guitar coming out which should have a more GH3 feel to it (compared to the Strat)
http://www.nyko.com/nyko/products/?i=130

Of course, the individual Strats themselves are coming out.

TAC has multiple guitars coming out. The Widow Maker looks most intriguing.
http://store.theantcommandos.com/Guitar_Hero_Controller_s/1.htm

TAC is also coming out with an adapter which may make various guitars interoperable across different games.
http://store.theantcommandos.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=GTR%2DPS3%2DADPT

Do you know the exact date in april that the strats will be available for individual purchase?

[turkadee]

the fender statocasters individual should be for sale on april/8/08

[darkangel]

cool, but it looks like the buttons on all their guitars will have the GH feel. The adapter isnt even a great option because I want my RB controller to work for GH not the opposite.

[MF-PO'd]

cool, but it looks like the buttons on all their guitars will have the GH feel. The adapter isnt even a great option because I want my RB controller to work for GH not the opposite.

That's true, however the OP mentioned he was looking for something with a GH3 feel. :)

If someone wants a guitar like the Strat, you're probably best to just buy another Strat. I don't think anyone else is making a guitar with buttons like the that, but we haven't seen the Mad Catz ones yet.

[gmanjack]

Thanks MF-POd - Thats helpful!

[MF-PO'd]

Thanks MF-POd - Thats helpful!

My pleasure. I've been looking for a guitar option myself since, oh November, so April should be a good month for me. :)

[hollatip]

i got lucky and found a used guitar from a rockband pack at gamestop for 39.99 so i have 2 now. until they decide to patch the gh3 for the ps3 i guess this will work for me.

[Sm0k3y55311]

the fender statocasters individual should be for sale on april/8/08

sweet, in need of a 2nd controller for my ps3 version:D
website sales? or in store availability?

been stuck using my ps2 game when i got a bass player over that has no controller lol.

if they made the bluetooth controller for this game i'd definitly buy more then 1 :D sony's willing to give out the coding for the bluetooth.

anyone else have any more resorces for "Rock band PS3 or PS2(works the same on both systems fine)" controllers?

[Sm0k3y55311]

the fender statocasters individual should be for sale on april/8/08

sweet, in need of a 2nd controller for my ps3 version:D
website sales? or in store availability?

been stuck using my ps2 game when i got a bass player over that has no controller lol.

if they made the bluetooth controller for this game i'd definitly buy more then 1 :D sony's willing to give out the coding for the bluetooth.

anyone else have any more resorces for "Rock band PS3 or PS2(works the same on both systems fine)" controllers?

[MF-PO'd]

I just thought I'd add that I contacted TAC to ask about the guitars. They told me they are just entering the production phase now, so they should be available in May.

Also, I asked about Canadian availability, so if any Canadians are interested, these guitars should be available at the following retailers:

EB Games
Toys R Us
Best Buy
Future Shop

[kingotnw]

Im beyond irratated that I need to buy a seprate guitar for each game and they won't work with one another. In reality all this is doing is preventing me from buying GH3 because I refuse to pay $100 for something I can get for cheaper if I don't have to buy another guitar. I vote with my dollar, and GH3 will not get a sale from me until they correct the issue, no matter how much i do in fact actually like the game.

[darkangel]

GH is an awesome game because of the fact that they can get more songs that will actually work for the theme than RB can. Instrumentals just dont work when your singer needs something to do besides tap the mic on his/her hand. My problem isnt that I needed to buy both sets, its that the RB guitar is just better. besides the wide spaced buttons and stupid detachable neck that only causes problems, the GH guitar looks like a stupid toy. Not that RB's looks authentic, but it doesnt look like something made by Mattle either.

At this point is is almost useless for me to get another guitar anyway. My friends all have RB so they just bring theirs over if we are going to play and my wife a long since surpassed me on guitar because I only play the drums anymore.

I think I would rather have Activision and Harmonix stop blaming one another for the lack of a patch and just release it already, then have to buy second guitars for both games.

[LZ_69]

Damn!! that widowmaker looks beautiful!! I'm preordering that badboy right this minute!

Thanks a mill to MF-PO'd!

[darkangel]

I agree the widowmaker looks really cool... but why a 5 string bass ?http://store.theantcommandos.com/v/vspfiles/photos/BSS-WL-BLKV3-2.jpg

[oohwha]

In addition to voting with your dollars by not purchasing GH3, keep in mind you can also hurt Activi$ion by uploading all their games and software on peer to peer file sharing networks.

People try to say this is illegal, but there is no legislation in place that clearly states it is. Just because the RIAA tries to put propoganda out there that states you cannot offer things you own freely to others for use, that does not make it illegal.

Laws against SELLING copyrighted materials for PROFIT make SELLING them for PROFIT ... ILLEGAL.

It's perfectly LEGAL to SHARE something you OWN with other people. And through that file sharing, you decrease sales of Activision software that would otherwise make them even more profits than they already try to gouge everyone for.

The more and more I read up on this issue, the more I'm convinced that one of the greatest weapons we have as consumers against greedy or lazy publishers like Activi$ion is the weapon of peer to peer networks.

I'm still looking for something that proves beyond the shadow of a doubt that it is illegal to upload Activi$ion software to others. Until I find it, you better believe I'm going to do my part to "punish" them for this whole "proprietary controller" fiasco.

It's got to be the most ridiculous exploitation of "intellectual property rights" I've seen since back when good old Sony stopped people from selling Everquest items and accounts on Ebay.

Hell, I still remember the big front page article in Time, or USA Today, or one of those major publications talking about "land" in the Ultima Online game selling for real world money back in the day.

Then along come the lawyers and BULL**** "intellectual property" "laws" (not that they are really laws per say) and suddenly Ebay stops letting people sell their time spent playing a game for real world dollars.

And now we have Activi$ion... who has decided to grab Sony by the cohones and squeeze them till they agree not to release a patch that would allow Activi$ion's "proprietary technology" to be used for "free" with another game. OH THE HUMANITY!

[LZ_69]

I agree the widowmaker looks really cool... but why a 5 string bass ?http://store.theantcommandos.com/v/vspfiles/photos/BSS-WL-BLKV3-2.jpg

I asked myself the same question, maybe it's modeled after a specific 5 string out there, to me it looks like the Musicman stingray. Anyway who cares, since there are no real strings involved it doesn't make a difference.

[HeadHunter67]

Just because the RIAA tries to put propoganda out there that states you cannot offer things you own freely to others for use, that does not make it illegal.
You don't own the software... you have merely purchased a license to use it. And you have agreed to those terms by the very act of using it.

You have a very distorted view of IP law - and it is legally binding, that's where copyrights, patents and registered trademarks fall under. But I wouldn't expect you to take my word for it - feel free to consult a lawyer who specializes in this area, particularly as it applies to entertainment.

If you were correct, there'd be nothing stopping HMX from getting the patch through. Since they can't, and their legal team is undoubtedly more educated in the law than you are, I'll have to conclude that your take on it is poorly-informed and idiotic.

If you want to stick it to Activision, vote with your wallet. But remember that Activision isn't the reason why there aren't any other 3rd party RB controllers, and it's got nothing to do with why standalone Strats still aren't out.

You're barking up the wrong tree, mate.

[TakeABow]

The Widowmaker looks alot like this Peavy Millennium Bass:
http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/9/6/2/269962.jpg

[HeadHunter67]

maybe it's modeled after a specific 5 string out there, to me it looks like the Musicman stingray.
Perhaps, but the heads on the 5-string version of that are 4 on top, 1 on the bottom, rather than 3 and 2.

It doesn't really matter, but if authenticity was no concern, they could have made the game to use a standard Sixaxis controller, right? :)

[darkangel]

You don't own the software... you have merely purchased a license to use it. And you have agreed to those terms by the very act of using it.

You have a very distorted view of IP law - and it is legally binding, that's where copyrights, patents and registered trademarks fall under. But I wouldn't expect ypou to take my word for it - feel free to consult a lawyer who specializes in this area, particularly as it applies to entertainment.

If you were correct, there'd be nothing stopping HMX from getting the patch through. Since they can't, and their legal team is undoubtedly more educated in the law than you are, I'll have to conclude that your take on it is poorly-informed and idiotic.

If you want to stick it to Activision, vote with your wallet. But remember that Activision isn't the reason why there aren't any other 3rd party RB controllers, and it's got nothing to do with why standalone Strats still aren't out.

You're barking up the wrong tree, mate.


I was confused as to where he got his info as well, but I wanted to bring something to show him his errors. The internet and its vast conspiracy theories makes for a terrible learning place for today's youth and because of that all i could really find online was hearsay and opinionated blogs.
It completely infringes on copyright laws to distribute copies of software, it is not illegal to backup your purchases or transfer data from dvd, cd, vhs ... etc to alternate hardware items such as your PC or portable media device (ipods etc). I believe the law is such that says it not actually not illegal to download... just to upload (I could be wrong on that).
either way, it is not theft if you are making a copy of something you already paid for... but it is if you make a copy for a friend who didnt bother to dish out the bucks in the first place.
With no flames intended, oohwha's statement alone proved he was wrong (even if his heart is in the right place). He was promoting theft to hurt the cooperation's wallet. he said
"And through that file sharing, you decrease sales of Activision software that would otherwise make them even more profits than they already try to gouge everyone for."
Sorry Oohwha, taking a companies product without paying for it is theft, plain and simple.

One more thing... from The Activision site: https://activision.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/activision.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=19652&p_created=1197598466&p_sid=bn3ogn*i&p_accessibility=0&p_redirect=&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPSZwX3NvcnRfYnk9JnBfZ3JpZHNvcnQ9JnBfc m93X2NudD04MjcxLDgyNzEmcF9wcm9kcz0mcF9jYXRzPSZwX3B 2PSZwX2N2PSZwX3NlYXJjaF90eXBlPWFuc3dlcnMuc2VhcmNoX 25sJnBfcGFnZT0x&p_li=&p_topview=1

To Music Gaming Fans:

The recent announcement by MTV Games/Viacom's Harmonix division that Activision is blocking Sony from releasing a patch and their plea to enable Rock Band software to work with Guitar Hero hardware paints a very misleading picture.

In fact, Harmonix and its parent company MTV Games/Viacom recently declined Activision's offer to reach an agreement that would allow the use of Guitar Hero guitar controllers with Rock Band. We have been and remain open to discussions with Harmonix and MTV Games/Viacom about the use of our technology in Rock Band. Unfortunately for Rock Band users, in this case Harmonix and MTV Games/Viacom are unwilling to discuss an agreement with Activision.

Activision's top priority is to provide consumers with a seamless marriage of best-in-class hardware and software. We are focusing our efforts on innovating hardware and software that are designed to work together, work flawlessly and provide an enjoyable gaming experience.

Best regards,

Activision

I think it is important to note that BOTH Activison and Harmonix are playing games here. I dont know what is really going on, but I do know that they both publicly accused the other of being at fault for the lack of a patch.



The Widowmaker looks alot like this Peavy Millennium Bass:
http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/9/6/2/269962.jpg


Cool, I have never seen a 5 string bass before. thanks for the info.

[Dzhokhar]

Just because the RIAA tries to put propoganda out there that states you cannot offer things you own freely to others for use, that does not make it illegal.

It seems at least one jury has sided with the RIAA.
Check it out. (http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071004-verdict-is-in.html)

Furthermore, the defense was smart enough to not even try the "it's not really illegal nyah nyah nyah" argument.

[darkangel]

Furthermore, the defense was smart enough to not even try the "it's not really illegal nyah nyah nyah" argument.

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee26/DarkAngel269a/pointlaugh.gif

[HeadHunter67]

The Widowmaker looks alot like this Peavy Millennium Bass:
http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/9/6/2/269962.jpg

I've been trying to decide what sort of bass I'd like to buy - that just might be the one I choose. Not a bad instrument, a very affordable price and it comes in blue also. Very nice.

[Al_Dags]

Thanks for the TAC link MF-PO'd.

I've posted about the Nyko guitar but this new bass may solve my problem once and for all. I have all GH and RB S/W on my PS2 and use 2 Kramer guitars to play it all. I want RB for PS3 for online play so if this new bass works out I will only need to purchase one to play all my software on the PS3

Its to bad the TAC converter does not support all GH and RB PS2 games since that would have been even better to just spend $20 and be able to use my 2 PS2 kramers.

Looks like I will have a huge collection on toy guitars on my wall. As long as they keep bringing out different designs it make it easier for me to justify buying more. So far 8 and counting LOL

[HeadHunter67]

I don't feel so bad now, owning only 4:

2 RO wireless for GH games (well, "Betty" belongs to my girlfriend)
1 PS2 Strat
1 Xbox 360/PC Explorer

Still, I will get the TAC Widowmaker for my PS2. I hope that the ByteArts overdrive fix is as good as their strummer, or else I may never play my sweet-looking Strat (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v725/HidaOkami/UnitedWeStand.jpg)again. :(

[Al_Dags]

Ya I had 11 but I had to give 3 away (don't ask)

1x SG Controller
1x Blue Freedom V
1x Nyko Frontman

If the TAC bass works out I will not have any use for my 2 kramer's except keep them and my PS2 for back up

[MF-PO'd]

I hope the Widow Maker turns out to be a sweet guitar for everyone that gives it a try.

For those still interested in the Nyko, I have some good news about that one. They just told me that they sent out a release yesterday detailing that it is now available in stores! Retail stores and online retailers should be getting them any day now if they haven't received them already. I haven't seen anyone online listing them as in stock yet, but I'll keep my eyes peeled. It's nice to see this one isn't being delayed further and that "April" actually means early April.

[Cedzilla]

Will the widowmaker have 10 frets or 5?

[TakeABow]

Will the widowmaker have 10 frets or 5?

The picture shows 5 GH style frets, and 5 more small buttons that I can only assume are "solo" frets.

[Al_Dags]

Hey MF-PO'd,

The Nyko site specifies that the frontman is compatible with GHIII and RB for PS3. I guess that would be the software for the PS3. Would you know if that counts the PS2 GHIII RB software?

But the TAC bass does look really good

[HeadHunter67]

The picture shows 5 GH style frets, and 5 more small buttons that I can only assume are "solo" frets.

Indeed - but like other models that have the small buttons, there's no guarantee that they will work like the Strat's solo frets. We may still need to strum, time will tell.

[MF-PO'd]

Hey MF-PO'd,

The Nyko site specifies that the frontman is compatible with GHIII and RB for PS3. I guess that would be the software for the PS3. Would you know if that counts the PS2 GHIII RB software?

But the TAC bass does look really good

Hey Al_Dags,

Unfortunately, the FrontMan won't work with any of the PS2 games (either using a PS2 or a PS3). That would have been nice, but if I'm not mistaken, the PS3 version of GH3 probably recognizes the guitar different than the PS2 version of GH3.

The PS3 Les Paul doesn't work with the PS2 GH3 game, does it?

[willthegreat]

TAC is also coming out with an adapter which may make various guitars interoperable across different games.
http://store.theantcommandos.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=GTR%2DPS3%2DADPT

I had not heard this...regretting selling my original GH games/controllers now...thanks for the info!

[MF-PO'd]

I had not heard this...regretting selling my original GH games/controllers now...thanks for the info!

No problem! The adapter looks like it could be pretty cool. As others have pointed out though, it's unfortunately that they don't list GH2 in the list on the web site because then GH2 and GH 80s both won't work. I guess we'll see next month though.

At the very least, it looks like it'll provide a lot more options for Rock Band guitars.

[mikeny]

Right this instant, the answer is still unfortunately no.

We will have options in April though:

Nyko has their guitar coming out which should have a more GH3 feel to it (compared to the Strat)
http://www.nyko.com/nyko/products/?i=130

Of course, the individual Strats themselves are coming out.

TAC has multiple guitars coming out. The Widow Maker looks most intriguing.
http://store.theantcommandos.com/Guitar_Hero_Controller_s/1.htm

TAC is also coming out with an adapter which may make various guitars interoperable across different games.
http://store.theantcommandos.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=GTR%2DPS3%2DADPTHmm , it makes you wonder, if the "Black Double Range Freedom V Wireless Guitar Controller for PS2 and PS3" can be used in conjunction with their adapter to play GH, GH2, and Encore on the PS3.

Edit: I would assume so as the adapter specs say it's for:

All TAC PS2 wired and wireless guitars

[karmajack]

Anyone know if that TAC adapter works for a ps3 les paul on both GHIII & Rockband?

[MF-PO'd]

Hmm, it makes you wonder, if the "Black Double Range Freedom V Wireless Guitar Controller for PS2 and PS3" can be used in conjunction with their adapter to play GH, GH2, and Encore on the PS3.

Edit: I would assume so as the adapter specs say it's for:

All TAC PS2 wired and wireless guitars

The whole compatibility matrix is very confusing from the way they describe things on the site. I would assume this "Black Double Range Freedom V Wireless Guitar Controller for PS2 and PS3" does work on the PS3, but because GH2 isn't listed on the adapter site, I would guess that game (along with 80's) doesn't work on the PS3 console.

[MF-PO'd]

Anyone know if that TAC adapter works for a ps3 les paul on both GHIII & Rockband?

I would think not because one end of the adapter accepts a PS2 controller input. The other is USB. The PS3 Les Paul doesn't have the PS2 connector to be able to plug into the adapter.

I would guess that the guitar that comes with PS2 GH3 would be able to be used with PS3 GH3 and PS3 Rock Band.

[mikeny]

The whole compatibility matrix is very confusing from the way they describe things on the site. I would assume this "Black Double Range Freedom V Wireless Guitar Controller for PS2 and PS3" does work on the PS3, but because GH2 isn't listed on the adapter site, I would guess that game (along with 80's) doesn't work on the PS3 console.Ok, so it'll let you use your GH2 guitar on a PS3, basically turning it into a "PS3 guitar" and only for use with a "PS3" game. So, in my case having never had a PS2, the adapter would be completely worthless.:mad:

[MF-PO'd]

Ok, so it'll let you use your GH2 guitar on a PS3, basically turning it into a "PS3 guitar" and only for use with a "PS3" game. So, in my case having never had a PS2, the adapter would be completely worthless.:mad:

Correct. That's my understanding of the adapter anyway. The only exception I believe if that it'll let you use your PS2 guitar on a PS3 to play GH1 and GH3 (PS2 version) on the PS3 console. Does anyone else read things different from the adapter description?

[oohwha]

It seems at least one jury has sided with the RIAA.
Check it out. (http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071004-verdict-is-in.html)

Thanks much for the link. I'll put this info to good use in the future :)

Thankfully I don't stick to a single "footprint" on the web and I shift ISP's often.

In case some fool ever pursues me down the road Thomas went, I would like to "officially" state that I have not actually uploaded any files and this was all just another one of those Internet hoaxes/jokes that you see so much now days.

Also, I recommend that no one, under any circumstances, ever downloads a file share utility like Bit Torrent, e-Mule, Imesh, Kazaa (especially Kazaa LOL), or any other variety... and then uses it to download and share Activision software across the Internet :)

There we go... I feel all clean and innocent now.

Thanks for watching the show :p



*Edit* It appears that there is a more recent article - and I'm assuming a more recent decision by a judge - regarding the RIAA and their bullying tactics:

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080403-judge-kills-riaa-subpoena-making-available-not-infringement.html

Hooray for Judge Gertner. Personally I think she's right... simply exposing something to the Internet that you own isn't really a crime. The only ones committing crimes are the people illegally taking things from the Internet that they did not buy.

Hopefully we get more rulings like this and it keeps decisions like the one linked further up in this post from happening again. Also, this MediaSentry reminds me a lot of Skynet :p

[mikeny]

Correct. That's my understanding of the adapter anyway. The only exception I believe if that it'll let you use your PS2 guitar on a PS3 to play GH1 and GH3 (PS2 version) on the PS3 console. Does anyone else read things different from the adapter description?I don't know. Why would it make GH work on a PS3 but not GH2 or Encore? Do they have different engines?

[MF-PO'd]

I don't know. Why would it make GH work on a PS3 but not GH2 or Encore? Do they have different engines?

Yes, I think so. I think GH1, GH2, and GH3 are all somewhat different in terms of how the game interprets the guitar.

[MF-PO'd]

I thought I'd post Nyko's official press release:


PRESS RELEASE: NYKO’S FRONT MAN WIRELESS GUITAR FOR THE PLAYSTATION 3 SHREDS ITS WAY ONTO STORE SHELVES

Living Room Rockers Minimize Clutter with the Only Wireless Guitar Compatible with Guitar Hero III and Rock Band

LOS ANGELES – April 2, 2008 – Nyko Technologies®, a premier peripherals manufacturer, today announced that it has shipped its Front Man Wireless Guitar for PLAYSTATION®3 to retailers nationwide. The new Front Man Guitar provides a high quality, real guitar feel and is fully compatible with Guitar Hero® III and Rock Band™.

The Front Man Guitar for PS3 features wireless technology up to 25 feet and up to 80 hours of continuous game play. Other Front Man features include:
- Effects pedal to wirelessly switch between Rock Band and Guitar Hero III
- Unique directional pad design simplifies menu navigation
- Built-in tilt sensor and responsive whammy bar
- Bi-directional strum bar
- Durable and responsive fret buttons
- Interchangeable pick guards for a customized look

“The tremendous popularity of these two games that have become a pop culture phenomenon presented us with the opportunity to enhance the quality of the playing experience while eliminating the Need for multiple guitars,” said Chris Arbogast, Marketing Director at Nyko Technologies. “We addressed the needs of the fanbase with the Front Man Guitar for the PS3 without losing sight of delivering quality products for the ultimate rock out session.”

[oohwha]

I assume the Guitar Hero 3 Aerosmith and Rock Band 2 guitars are sold separately? :)

Hopefully Nyko will make a new guitar that is compatible with those 2 games here in about another 8 months... and then a new one that is compatible with both GH4 and RB3 a couple years down the road... etc, etc.

If only there were a company out there that staked claim to bulky, expensive controllers and tied them to 1 game and 1 game only... that would be an awesome company to work for and/or be a part of :)

[MF-PO'd]

Here's a review of the FrontMan from IGN:

http://uk.gear.ign.com/articles/863/863447p1.html

Sounds like a fair review though they mostly compare it to the Les Paul saying it's as good in some ways and inferior in others. Strangely, there's no mention of this one NOT having the detachable neck which seems to be the biggest problem with the Les Paul.

As expected, this guitar certainly seems to be for fans of the Guitar Hero guitars while Rock Band (Strat) users probably will not like it.

[bisq]

Jeez they (in the review) seem really sore about there only being a $10 difference from 1st party...how about the fact that it will work in rockband where there is no option currently available outside the bundle? Just the fact that it will work in both games makes its a good value to me. It seems the review is directed to GH players with rockband as more of an afterthought.

My opinion is I'll probably like the strummer better but the frets not as much as the strat so if it shows up in a store here soon I'll probably get it to have another option...also will probably please my friends who prefer the explorer over the RB guitar.

I'm assuming it will work with future GH games as well?

[MF-PO'd]

Jeez they (in the review) seem really sore about there only being a $10 difference from 1st party...how about the fact that it will work in rockband where there is no option currently available outside the bundle? Just the fact that it will work in both games makes its a good value to me. It seems the review is directed to GH players with rockband as more of an afterthought.

My opinion is I'll probably like the strummer better but the frets not as much as the strat so if it shows up in a store here soon I'll probably get it to have another option...also will probably please my friends who prefer the explorer over the RB guitar.

I'm assuming it will work with future GH games as well?

I agree with your comments about the review. It needs more focus on Rock Band's usage. Basically, you're saving $10 and getting the ability to play Rock Band with this guitar compared to the LP. Since the Nyko doesn't have any serious flaws according to review, shouldn't they conclude it's a no-brainer purchase unless you're absolutely certain you'll never play Rock Band?

I'm sold on it. Of course, I just need _a_ guitar period, so I'd settle for just about anything. I'm glad to hear the Nyko seems well built and I can trust that it won't fall apart easily. I'm hoping at the same time to be able to retire my LP.

As for future games, we can count on it working for GH: Aerosmith. It's up in the air if it'll work with GH4 though. It's not beyond Activision to develop a new standard, so nothing but the official guitar works with it. Actually, since we don't have a bluetooth guitar yet, I can see the day when they announce one, and then none of the previous guitars work.

[HeadHunter67]

If only there were a company out there that staked claim to bulky, expensive controllers and tied them to 1 game and 1 game only... that would be an awesome company to work for and/or be a part of :)
Yeah, I'd like to work for Harmonix too. ;)

[MF-PO'd]

Yeah, I'd like to work for Harmonix too. ;)

LOL - Nice :D

[Ventura]

TAC is also coming out with an adapter which may make various guitars interoperable across different games.
http://store.theantcommandos.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=GTR%2DPS3%2DADPT

I just put in an order for one of these.

EB wouldn't take my old Guitar Hero controllers when I traded my ps2 & games in for the ps3, so I've hung on to them with no way to play em.

Can't wait to be able to play my original red controller that came with GH2. Definitely one of the best controllers I've ever used.

[MF-PO'd]

Awesome. Please let us know how it is when you receive it. I thought about ordering one myself because it's only $20, but the shipping to Canada pretty much doubles that. Also, TAC has told me they'll be available at retail up here, so I'm going to hold off for now.

[Shadow_Zero]

Hey Al_Dags,

Unfortunately, the FrontMan won't work with any of the PS2 games (either using a PS2 or a PS3). That would have been nice, but if I'm not mistaken, the PS3 version of GH3 probably recognizes the guitar different than the PS2 version of GH3.

The PS3 Les Paul doesn't work with the PS2 GH3 game, does it?


I got this from Nyko:

Thank you for contacting us. The PS3 Frontman Guitar Controller is
compatible with "Rock Band" on the PS3 and PS2, and Guitar Hero on
the PS3 only.

It is not compatible with PS2-gen Guitar Hero games on the PS3 via
backwards compatibility. The PS3 Frontman is only compatible with
PS3-gen Guitar Hero games on the PS3.

I hope that helps. Feel free to contact me again if you require any
further assistance.

Weren't there other adapters available already to make the PS2 GH controller work on the PS3?? (or it didn't make it work for RB?)

[MF-PO'd]

There are currently some adapters, but they don't really work all that well. For sure, there are none that allow a PS2 controller to work with Rock Band. Rock Band is very proprietary and will only recognize a "Rock Band" guitar. The current adapters make the PS2 guitars sort of work on PS2 GH games on the PS3 through backwards compatibility, but all the functionality is not there.

We'll see how the TAC adapter works, as it's supposed to better than the others.

[oohwha]

Yeah, I'd like to work for Harmonix too. ;)

Touche MF :p


Yeah, after this whole EU pricing fiasco, I'm definitely on board your train of thought that EA is just as manipulative as Activi$ion.





But... I want to make this VERY CLEAR... I am NOT file sharing EA and Activi$ion games on my home PC at an average upload rate of 113Kb per second. That would be wrong... and, as always, I encourage everyone who visits these boards to NEVER get a file sharing program like E-mule, Kazaa, Imesh, Bit Torrent, or others.

If you try to get back at EA or Activi$ion you will only get thrown in jail, just as the countless 1000's of others whom did similar file sharing misdeeds over the last decade.

It may seem tempting to try and get back at these big companies by sharing games online that people would otherwise have to purchase in a store... but don't be fooled. You will be caught and you will be jailed for life. It's simply not worth it!

Heed my words...

[oohwha]

Rock Band is very proprietary and will only recognize a "Rock Band" guitar.

I don't understand... I thought the whole philosophy behind Rock Band was that it is very "open" to (insert miscellaneous philanthropic issue here)?


If that's the case, why on earth are the controllers designed in such a way that pretty much 100% contradicts that ideal? Have they released all the proprietary information that will allow anyone to easily match up any controller they would like to a Rock Band game and console?

Or is this a situation where they wanted to minimalize online cheating by making it very hard to create a "bot" program and hook it up for perfect scoring?

It that's the case... it's a waste of effort. Anyone that wants to "hack" something bad enough will hack it, regardless of how hard you try to stop them...

[MF-PO'd]

I don't understand... I thought the whole philosophy behind Rock Band was that it is very "open" to (insert miscellaneous philanthropic issue here)?

What can I say... The "open" philosophy is just one, giant sham. Notice how the only guitar that works is one that's an official Rock Band guitar or one that has been designed to act like an official Rock Band guitar (ex. the Nyko one).

Harmonix may be open to allowing other companies' guitars to work with the game (through a patch), but other guitars certainly don't work with the game by default.

[oohwha]

Yeah, smells of EA to me. I assume EA is thinking that if Activi$ion can get a piece of the proprietary controller pie... so can they.

The devs just get paid to develop good stuff - and they did actually try to patch RB to use LP guitars... so I have to give them credit for that. EA, on the other hand, is of course your typical "business only" publisher. I just wish I knew of some way to legally punish big businesses that have what I consider to be somewhat unethical practices.


Then again, there's nothing unethical about selling a luxury item for too high a cost - or making it proprietary.

Honestly, what's unethical is saving a few billion by not building a few new oil refineries and then doubling the price of gas due to the "shortage". Gas is quite a bit more of a necessity than a 2nd guitar for a video game I suppose :p

(Some would disagree) :D

[Dzhokhar]

What can I say... The "open" philosophy is just one, giant sham. Notice how the only guitar that works is one that's an official Rock Band guitar or one that has been designed to act like an official Rock Band guitar (ex. the Nyko one).

Harmonix may be open to allowing other companies' guitars to work with the game (through a patch), but other guitars certainly don't work with the game by default.

The difference between EA/HMX and Activision/RedOctane is that the Red Octane EULA explicitly prohibits using the Guitar Hero guitars with other games or playing Guitar Hero with non-Red Octane guitars. Rock Band has no such legal/contractual restrictions.

[HeadHunter67]

They don't need such restrictions - they simply build the controller to be incompatible, so the EULA issue never comes up.

[Abaddon]

Wow, this thread has degenerated into a giant waste of time. Of course I read it FTL.