What kind of Metal would have the best chance of making into Rock Band?

[Sons_of_Kyuss]

I couldn't really fit them all in, so I had to pick and choose genres of metal...so forgive me in advance.

Black Metal
Marduk - Panzer Division Marduk

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Classic Metal
Black Sabbath - Into The Void

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Death Metal
Nile - Execration Text

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Stoner/Doom
Electric Wizard - Funeralopolis

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Gothic
Moonspell - Opium

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Grindcore
Exhumed - The Matter of Splatter

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Thrash
Metallica - Call of Ktulu

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Power
Dragonforce - Operation Ground and Pound

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Progressive
Pyramaze - Legend

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Symphonic
Nightwish - Ghost Love Score

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[LavatoryLoveMachine]

Doom and stoner arent the same thing.

everything but grindcore.

[Elnino]

They could get some Anthrax and Megadeth. I'm praying for Got the Time by Antrax. If Caught In a Mosh wasn't already in GH 80's I would go crazy if it made it in Rock Band.

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

I think Thrash, power and progressive. Those would be the most fun to play, both in guitar and drums. Im just saying, cuz I still havent even mastered the few metal tracks on Medium in GH2. Did anyone else found The Trooper to be freakishly hard?! (360 version) I just cant go from green to blue and back with speed!!!!

Doom metal would be a little boring to play, unless its selcet songs that are a little heavier.

[ObsceneReality]

Grindcore isn't metal. I'm insulted that you would think that.

[Sons_of_Kyuss]

Doom and stoner arent the same thing.

everything but grindcore.

They aren't the same, but share some similarities, I think. That's just my opinion. I could only put 10 selections in the poll, and wanted both stoner and doom. Since I felt they shared some similarities, I put them together.

I am sorry if you disagree.



Grindcore isn't metal. I'm insulted that you would think that.

We also disagree, but to each his own.

[Rev0lver]

pyramaze=power metal. they may have some progressiveness, but there are better choices for that.

[battle_axe_of_doom]

obviously nothing with double bass. and i'm appalled at this pyramaze bull**** called progressive

[BobLoblaw]

Thrash, Classic and Hair Metal probably have the best chances.

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

They aren't the same, but share some similarities, I think. That's just my opinion. I could only put 10 selections in the poll, and wanted both stoner and doom. Since I felt they shared some similarities, I put them together.

I am sorry if you disagree.




We also disagree, but to each his own.

Most people say grindcore is metal, but what the heck. I consider them as big posers as much as metalcore. Anything with core at the end is usually bad.

I dont listen to stoner, but I still fail to see similarities. I usually think of stoner as having a groove along with its mid tempo.

Black Sabbath seems to be an inspiration for both genres, but come on. Lets forget Black Sabbath. I think Candlemass pretty much sums up what doom is.

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

obviously nothing with double bass. and i'm appalled at this pyramaze bull**** called progressive

Progressive elements come from the guitar sound, so I dont know why Pyramaze isnt acceptable for you. I remember listening to them, and they have some progressive/neo classical stuff, what I just dont get is what your problem is with double pedals, as if progressive bands didnt use them.

(I may be confusing the terms, but I understand double bass means double pedals, you know, bass drums?)

[Sons_of_Kyuss]

I would love for people to post their own videos of bands when they disagree with my own selections. I didn't post them as the end all, be all representations of the genres. I just posted what I felt, IMO, were good selections.

By all means, post what you think if you disagree. Everyone has an opinion, and you are welcome to post it here. However, it doesn't make sense if you say you disagree, and then don't post a link to a band for others to see just who you are talking about.

Thanks all, and Classic is leading. Honestly, it's not my choice, but it has the most obvious chance of making it in the game before anything else.

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

Im happy but it depends on what people see as classical. See, there are classic metal bands popping up everywhere nowadays. Classic metal doesnt mean its old metal, just that its pure metal without any gimmick.

Ok, Im not gonna look up stoner bands, but this definitely shouldnt be considered in the same league: http://youtube.com/watch?v=6CFkj6DDn9g

And this is Candlemass: http://youtube.com/watch?v=5yAB7DqN1gA Get past the guy's goofy looks and his love handles at the beginning, and see he has a ****ing amazing voice straight from Hell!!

This is Doomsword, one of my favorite bands. Viking epic doom metal from Italy (if you can believe that) : http://youtube.com/watch?v=dUTHFtg2-7U&mode=related&search=


Even when these bands have some sort of groove, its not stoner. Its dark music, the kind you play when the witch coven gathers.

[WingsOfSteel]

Classic Metal (i.e. Sabbath and Iron Maiden) has the best chance. Especially since Sabbath already has a song and Maiden has been in HMX's last two games (GH2:360 and GH80s)

But as GH80s proved, HMX loves them some Hair Metal. (And it would be fun to sing, I must admit)

[HollywoodBound]

how about Alt. Metal?

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

how about Alt. Metal?

How about no? Thats not even metal, and theres enough of that crap in GH.

[Akaymay]

I would like to see Classic most off all.

But speed Metal would make for some good DLC. Like Dragonforce.

[polishdog90]

What I would love to have put in:

Iron Maiden - Paschendale:
Epic song, and Maiden is good on all instruments.

Metallica - Master of Puppets:
Thrash metal at its finest.

Ozzy Osbourne - Crazy Train:
Classic!

Judas Priest - Painkiller:
Drumming at the beginning :D

Motorhead - Iron Horse
Bring back Motorhead!

I would take any song from any of these bands though.

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

There are underground speed/traditional bands like Helstar that are coming back. Maybe they should put them in the game, open people up to something they probably never heard before. Another band like that would be Omen.

[battle_axe_of_doom]

reverend bizarre was the greatest doom band to ever exist (if we're not counting sabbath)

and yeah when i said nothing with double bass i meant like double pedal action where like in black/death metal blast beats would be impossible to recreate with one foot unless you have some kind of bionic foot.

and as for prog metal, only one band needs to be mentioned when it comes to prog metal : OPETH



and the only bands you need to care about in the grindcore genre are : Napalm Death and Carcass. two of the most pwnful bands in metal history right there

[ObsceneReality]

Most people say grindcore is metal, but what the heck. I consider them as big posers as much as metalcore. Anything with core at the end is usually bad.


I'm going to go ahead and assume that you haven't ever listened to grindcore as a genre seeing as you lumped it in with metalcore. The 2 have little to nothing in common.

As for putting an Exhumed video up...that's definitely not something that's considered grind. If you want to get some grindcore up try going for something like Ulcerrhoea, or Rot, or perhaps even Birdflesh. They're much more accurate.

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

Nah, grindcore isnt powerful. I just define powerful differently. I cant stand grindcore as much as I cant stand nu metal and metalcore.

Obscene reality, I didnt say they were the same thing. I said they were posers, like metalcore. Neithef of them real metal. I cant stand 10 seconds of that friggin ridiculous whiny sound they call "hardcore". Bunch of whiny middle classs morons.

[battle_axe_of_doom]

just asking but have you heard any napalm death and carcass??

[ObsceneReality]

Nah, grindcore isnt powerful. I just define powerful differently. I cant stand grindcore as much as I cant stand nu metal and metalcore.

Obscene reality, I didnt say they were the same thing. I said they were posers, like metalcore. Neithef of them real metal. I cant stand 10 seconds of that friggin ridiculous whiny sound they call "hardcore". Bunch of whiny middle classs morons.

Grindcore is not metal in the first place! It's a much faster, much more agressive version of punk. Once again, if you think that grindcore as a genre is 10 seconds of whiny garbage you have no idea about the genre at all, and subsequently have no merit when you talk about it.

Napalm Death and Carcass are, in my opinion, 2 of the most overrated bands in the 'grind' scene, right up there with Agoraphobic Nosebleed. I don't even consider Carcass grind, they were just death metal with pathologic themes.

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

Grindcore is not metal in the first place! It's a much faster, much more agressive version of punk. Once again, if you think that grindcore as a genre is 10 seconds of whiny garbage you have no idea about the genre at all, and subsequently have no merit when you talk about it.

Napalm Death and Carcass are, in my opinion, 2 of the most overrated bands in the 'grind' scene, right up there with Agoraphobic Nosebleed. I don't even consider Carcass grind, they were just death metal with pathologic themes.

Of course, you wouldnt think they are morons, cuz you like them. So nothing we both say has real merit. We are both talking from our experiences. You are right, I dont have much experience with grindcore, because it SUCKS and I cant stand it enough to give it more than 10 seconds' chance. I see it as whiny. You dont, cuz you like them, and you feel its powerful. For me, its whining. Sorry I dont feel like you, but sadly I do.

I know grindcore isnt Metal. Wen did I say it was? Im saying they are a bunch of posers, and yes, most of them consider that garbage to be Metal: therefore, they are posers. See?

[ObsceneReality]

Of course, you wouldnt think they are morons, cuz you like them. So nothing we both say has real merit. We are both talking from our experiences. You are right, I dont have much experience with grindcore, because it SUCKS and I cant stand it enough to give it more than 10 seconds' chance. I see it as whiny. You dont, cuz you like them, and you feel its powerful. For me, its whining. Sorry I dont feel like you, but sadly I do.

I know grindcore isnt Metal. Wen did I say it was? Im saying they are a bunch of posers, and yes, most of them consider that garbage to be Metal: therefore, they are posers. See?

Whatever man. If you don't listen to it, I don't understand how you can say it's whiny and actually be correct. You never gave it a chance, and you're saying that you have more merit than I do in the topic when I actually listen to the said genre.

You said earlier that it wasn't real metal, and now you're saying it's not metal at all. Once again, I don't follow your logic. If they're not metal, and not trying to be metal, how are they posers? Are they pretending to like a genre of music they play?

Most people don't consider grindcore metal. Perhaps people with 0 education on the subject like yourself, but as I said, since you don't listen you obviously don't know. Whether you like it or not(which you obviously don't), or whether I like it or not is irrelevant. I'm not telling you it's an amazing genre, and I'm not telling you it's better than what you listen to. I'm simply stating what it is, and what is obviously is not.

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

Whatever man. If you don't listen to it, I don't understand how you can say it's whiny and actually be correct. You never gave it a chance, and you're saying that you have more merit than I do in the topic when I actually listen to the said genre.

You said earlier that it wasn't real metal, and now you're saying it's not metal at all. Once again, I don't follow your logic. If they're not metal, and not trying to be metal, how are they posers? Are they pretending to like a genre of music they play?

Most people don't consider grindcore metal. Perhaps people with 0 education on the subject like yourself, but as I said, since you don't listen you obviously don't know. Whether you like it or not(which you obviously don't), or whether I like it or not is irrelevant. I'm not telling you it's an amazing genre, and I'm not telling you it's better than what you listen to. I'm simply stating what it is, and what is obviously is not.

Never said I had more merit.

Look, its obvious Ive listened to it, therefore I dont like it. I just wont listen to it anymore. I went to high school, ok? I HAVE listened to it. More so than I would have liked.

They ARE trying to be Metal. They get reviewed in Metal magazines, and the fans are a bunch of posers. They ARE trying to be Metal, but they dont know what real Metal is, therefore they dont play it. Maybe its just that they dont have good ears, therefore they cant tell real metal from the crap they do.

Ive been around the grind crowd, and they DO think they are Metal. And they are not. Metal is good. Grind-**** isnt.

And I have seen grindcore mentioned as Metal by respectable sources, so it is a real fight to keep posers out of real Metal, not just me being paranoid.

[BarryC]

Most people say grindcore is metal, but what the heck. I consider them as big posers as much as metalcore. Anything with core at the end is usually bad.


You wouldn't even know a metalcore band unless you read somewhere it is metalcore. 10 bucks says if you like metal in general, then there is a metalcore band you would like.

All That Remains
As I Lay Dying
Bullet For My Valentine
Bury Your Dead
Bleeding Through
Killswitch Engage
Shadows Fall

are all great "metalcore" bands.

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

You wouldn't even know a metalcore band unless you read somewhere it is metalcore. 10 bucks says if you like metal in general, then there is a metalcore band you would like.

All That Remains
As I Lay Dying
Bullet For My Valentine
Bury Your Dead
Bleeding Through
Killswitch Engage
Shadows Fall

are all great "metalcore" bands.

Yes, those are metalcore bands, therefore, they are not Metal.

All of those SUCK! You wouldnt know real metal if it hit you in the head, which is what Metal does actually. Hit you in the head till you sumbit!! \m/

[battle_axe_of_doom]

to the moron who said ND and carcass aren't grindcore, THEY ONLY INVENTED THE ****ING SUB-GENRE. yes with their 3rd album carcass slowed things down but that doesn't mean they weren't a grindcore band. oh and by the way carcass is one of the greatest metal bands to ever exist so they are in no way overrated.

[Sons_of_Kyuss]

At the time of this posting, Classic and Thrash combine for 67.74%...pretty much what I expected. Honestly it wouldn't be a bad thing, and I think that to get any other type of metal we will have to wait a long time on the DLC.

[battle_axe_of_doom]

believe me i would love black and death metal in here but its just not possible. even if we did have the double bass pedal thing, most people probably won't be able to do blast beats hence no one would buy it as DLC and hmx would lose their money

[Sons_of_Kyuss]

It might be impossible, but I think some people would love to try getting it down. But, you are right though...a lot of people would just give up. I think it would be hilarious, if they did have two bass pedals, which they don't...or a work-around, to try it. It would be quite a workout.

[SmashingPumpkin]

Black Metal is Death Metal, Duh.

[battle_axe_of_doom]

if you honestly mean that than you are a moron, sry

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

Ive heard black metal haters say that its just melodic death but boring lol Thats them if it bothers anyone. I dont have an opinion. i dont listen to black

[battle_axe_of_doom]

well they can hate black metal for all i care but when you say something as moronic as black metal is just death metal thats where i come in

clearly two different genres that sometimes blend with each other in certain bands (aka blackened death metal)

[bounchfx]

Mmm, Pyramaze is amazing. I'd love some dream theater/symphony x but those are sadly more GH probably.. even though theres tons of DT songs that would be perfect for RB like The Dark Eternal Night.

any metal would be fine for me, but classic metal is easily my least fav.

[SmashingPumpkin]

if you honestly mean that than you are a moron, sry

They both have no melody to them and the vocalist just grunts. They just wouldn't be fun to play at all.

[battle_axe_of_doom]

just because you don't like it doesn't mean that they're the same thing. what part of that don't you understand??

[CriticalAcclaim]

Mmm, Pyramaze is amazing. I'd love some dream theater/symphony x but those are sadly more GH probably.. even though theres tons of DT songs that would be perfect for RB like The Dark Eternal Night.

any metal would be fine for me, but classic metal is easily my least fav.

DT have some amazing songs that would be good for RB... if only HMX created a keyboard as well XD

I would like to see domination - pantera

[Sons_of_Kyuss]

Black Metal is Death Metal, Duh.

The two couldn't be more different....


Black Metal is defined by screaming vocals more than guttural vocals, Corpsepaint, and they generally write lyrics that discuss/espouse Paganistic or Satanic views.

Death Metal is defined by guttural, low-pitched, vocals, and the lyrics tend to be more varied...political, social, etc.


Black Metal

Gorgoroth - Incipit Satan

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Cradle of Filth - Cthulhu Dawn

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Notice anything similar about those two bands?

Death Metal

Bolt Thrower - Cenotaph

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Arch Enemy - We Will Rise

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I even picked a female death metal vocalist, and as you can see she still sings in guttural, low-range tones. They sound so completely different it is not even funny. Two seperate genres.

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

That should be done more cuz sometimes people dont understand what we are talking about.

[battle_axe_of_doom]

cradle isn't black metal

[Sons_of_Kyuss]

You guys crack me up sometimes, lol! :D

[BarryC]

Cradle used to be black metal and Arch Enemy is melodeath.

Close enough :]

[polishdog90]

Iron Maiden is still probably the most fun to play on all instruments. The Trooper was so rad. I would like pretty much any metal up to thrash metal. After Thrash metal it turns into crappy music imo.

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

Iron Maiden is still probably the most fun to play on all instruments. The Trooper was so rad. I would like pretty much any metal up to thrash metal. After Thrash metal it turns into crappy music imo.

Probably cuz you are still waiting for Metallica to come around again. Better get yourself into the european stuff.

In the Encyclopaedia Metallum it says Cradle of Filth was Black/ Gothic Metal, and recently they are "Extreme" Gothic.

[battle_axe_of_doom]

yeah they were black metally kinda but they turned gothy and ****ty

oh and even though we like europe metal for different reasons, i'd agree

england, sweden, norway, and france all have AMAZING bands

[Sons_of_Kyuss]

I found out about Arkhon Infaustus not too long ago, and I really like them. I believe they are from France. The Europeans are making some great metal...

[battle_axe_of_doom]

and they have been since its creation (black sabbath being the first metal band and they of course are british)

deathspell omega is another FANTASTIC band from france. one of the greatest black metal bands in history

check em out : http://www.myspace.com/deathspellomega

[bounchfx]

england, sweden, norway, and france all have AMAZING bands



a major reason I'm looking forward to GH3.. they are trying to promote overseas bands more.. I'm pretty sure they are in the USA version (haven't heard anything saying they aren't)

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

The thing is there are virtually NO bands coming out of the US.

Ok, thats exaggerating. The US is great for the thrash metal revival we've been seeing lately. Everytime there seems to be yet another Bay Area type band coming along. Not saying its bad...

But the spirit of Metal has been kept alive mostly outside the US if you ask me. Greats like Helloween, Celtic Frost and Grave Digger are european, and were playing great music when in the US everyone was into Poison (which is a great name for them cuz their music is actually poisonous), then the punkish Seattle bands.

Dont forget to mention Brasil. Not european obviously, but Brasil has been a power house of good bands...or so Ive read and investigated looking through bands in myspace and the encyclopaedia. They are like the Italy but on this side of the world :)

I dont know if its because of the few, mostly unsigned bands Ive gotten to listen to, but France is not impressing me (like Heavenly). Anybody know good bands definitely worth a listen from France?

And OP, I think stoner IS doom....I just never bothered with anything with the word stoner, but I think they are the same thing. I dont know, doom metal doesnt make me want to stone myself. It makes me wanna kill myself before the demons come out of the well.

[battle_axe_of_doom]

^

gojira for one own, and check out my post from before



deathspell omega is another FANTASTIC band from france. one of the greatest black metal bands in history

check em out : http://www.myspace.com/deathspellomega

as for the US : check out wolves in the throne room, completely awesome atmospheric black metal band

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

sounds nice

[Chthonic]

I doubt any Death/Black Metal will find its way into Rock Band through official channels. But if Harmonix go through with their idea of user-created content.... mwa ha ha... (rubs hands together and cackles menacingly)

[battle_axe_of_doom]

probably wouldn't want to play black metullll anyway. since i suck at gh2 i'll probably fail and get pissed off and never play the songs again

[metalhead]

Has to be Thrash Metal -

Metallica
Anthrax
Slayer
Testament
Overkill
Exodus
etc...............

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

probably wouldn't want to play black metullll anyway. since i suck at gh2 i'll probably fail and get pissed off and never play the songs again

I cant even get 5 stars in Psychobilly Freakout on Medium...so I dont know why the hell I care about Rock Band, when I suck at GH2. Maybe Ill stick with drumming :(

[Sons_of_Kyuss]

Don't feel bad, I suck at GH2 as well. I fully plan on trying out the drums, and from what has been reported so far the guitar is said to be easier in RB. It might give my old fumble fingers a chance at some fun. :)

[battle_axe_of_doom]

yeah i mostly want it for the drums and possibly vox.

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

If its gonna be easier....man, I hope so. I still stare blankly at the screen when I TRY a song on Hard. Im like "WTF!!! They expect me to do all that?!!"

[Bobble]

Anyone heard of Priestess? I've seen them listed as Stoner but I don't think I'd classify them as that, if anyone can clarify if they're what would be considered stoner metal, that'd be cool, for that matter what would Drist fall under in general? But yeah, anyways, I voted for Power just for the challenge of playing it. I'd like to see Priestess, Drist and some Avenged Sevenfold too. I think all forms of rock should be represented strongly here. The point is to make a band and who's to tell you what to play as a band? We need everything represented at least a bit. You don't have to dl what you don't want but the options should be there if you wanna make a thrash metal band, go for it, if you wanna play power, go for it. I hope HMX shares my ideals and gives us options up the wazoo.

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

Priestess is hard rock. Nothing to do with stoner.

Ive only listened to a couple of songs, and they are definitely not stoner. I dont know if I chanced on the couple of songs that arent like the rest, so i dont know. Wikipedia.

Bobble, I agree that they HAVE to represent all forms of rock music, including GOOD, REAL, Metal. Thats my gripe: if they dont have friggin Helloween, Im gonna be SICK! They have to cater to all forms of rock if they truly want the game to be the rock encyclopedia they are always saying they want the game to be.

[Bobble]

Try listening to the whole album, there are some songs on there that seem stonerish, but overall as a band I'd call em hard rock.

[newwaytodie]

Where's the "all" button?

[Ardius]

Quite obviously, classic metal.
DLC for everything else

[NatasNema]

Man, I really wish the would put Black and Death Metal in there, I really wanna blast beat so hard on those Drums.

\m/