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TheTogfather
09-10-2007, 06:38 AM
Okay, I've mentioned it on these forums before, but I'm planning to have my 30th birthday party be a Rock Band party. My birthday is the 25th of November and it looks like we're having a party the night of the 24th (Yes, I realize what a release date delay would do, but I'm not thinking about that, ok?) I'm letting my wife and others deal with things like location, food, drink, beer, etc...ya know petty stuff. I'm in charge of the important things...basically getting a fully functional stage up and running for Rock Band. Thing is, I don't really know how to do that.

Basically we're getting a VFW hall (think large basement-like, open room). Half of it will be tables, chairs, and bar area, the other half will be completely open, and in the corner of that part of the room, we'll put our stage. So basically here's what I've figured out so far, and what questions I have:

1. Building an actual stage. I'm thinking that cinder blocks and sheets of plywood will be fine for this, am I missing anything? About how big should it be? How thick does the plywood need to be to hold four possibly large rockers? Is the width of one block high enough?

2. Game and TV screen set-up. This one I can mostly figure out. I've got a 360, so I'll most likely have one wired guitar, one wireless. I can add USB extensions as needed to make sure everyone's got the room they need. As for the TV screens, I want to use the PAX set-up and have 2 32-inch widescreen LCDs (or similar) on each corner of the stage facing the band. I wasn't going to put any TVs facing the crowd, will this be ok? I'm not really worried about the audience getting to see the gameplay footage, everyone will get their turn to rock. What's the easiest/cheapest way to get those 2 32-inch LCDs? Anyone know a place that would rent these out maybe? Does any place have a good enough return policy that I could find a 'problem' with each of them after buying and get my money back?

3. Sound system. Here's where I really fall apart. I want this to be as concert-like as possible, so some nice loud speakers are pretty necessary here. Is this also something I could possibly rent? How would you hook up the audio, as an output from one of the TVs? Is it absolutely necessary to get a mixer/amp or whatever or is there some cheaper/easier option I'm missing here? It doesn't really have to blast everyone out of the room, just be loud enough to be authentic.

4. Lighting. This isn't absolutely necessary, but I would love to get some stage lighting going too. I really have no idea how this stuff works though. I was also gonna go w/ a smoke machine, but my friend reminded me that my 360 and TVs might not like that.

There are plenty of other details to work through (Like how do I get 3 other people to practice enough in 4 days to be able to play decently through a whole opening set, how do I get total newbies acclimated to the game quickly, how will I deal with people wanting to play Bon Jovi over and over and over) but I can figure all that out. These items listed above I am need of help with though. One thing I had considered was maybe finding a local DJ that would come and let me use his equipment...we wouldn't really need him to play music at all, but would still pay him for the use of his sound system and lighting...that would kill two birds right there. Would that be doable you think? Anyway, any help at all would be greatly appreciated.

IbanezBassist_v2
09-10-2007, 07:29 AM
1. Building an actual stage. I'm thinking that cinder blocks and sheets of plywood will be fine for this, am I missing anything? About how big should it be? How thick does the plywood need to be to hold four possibly large rockers? Is the width of one block high enough?

That should do it, as long as you distribute the cinder blocks accordingly to allow for the weight. Guess it really depends on what you want and how much you want to spend here.


2. Game and TV screen set-up. This one I can mostly figure out. I've got a 360, so I'll most likely have one wired guitar, one wireless. I can add USB extensions as needed to make sure everyone's got the room they need. As for the TV screens, I want to use the PAX set-up and have 2 32-inch widescreen LCDs (or similar) on each corner of the stage facing the band. I wasn't going to put any TVs facing the crowd, will this be ok? I'm not really worried about the audience getting to see the gameplay footage, everyone will get their turn to rock. What's the easiest/cheapest way to get those 2 32-inch LCDs? Anyone know a place that would rent these out maybe? Does any place have a good enough return policy that I could find a 'problem' with each of them after buying and get my money back?

See your local RTO (Rent To Own) store (if you have one). Most of the times they have weekly policy. If you can, just rent one. If not, see if a local retailer would be interested in "sponsoring" for free advertisement.


3. Sound system. Here's where I really fall apart. I want this to be as concert-like as possible, so some nice loud speakers are pretty necessary here. Is this also something I could possibly rent? How would you hook up the audio, as an output from one of the TVs? Is it absolutely necessary to get a mixer/amp or whatever or is there some cheaper/easier option I'm missing here? It doesn't really have to blast everyone out of the room, just be loud enough to be authentic.

RTO could also apply here...


4. Lighting. This isn't absolutely necessary, but I would love to get some stage lighting going too. I really have no idea how this stuff works though. I was also gonna go w/ a smoke machine, but my friend reminded me that my 360 and TVs might not like that.
Or you could get dry ice. It isn't going to cause the harmful effects that could damage any said equipment.

TheTogfather
09-10-2007, 07:57 AM
Awesome, thanks for the tips...dunno why I didn't think of an RTO, I think we got a couple round here somewheres. Hell, that and maybe a deal w/ some local DJ for sound/lights and I should be home free. Rock on...gotta make sure I get this all photo documented...

Edit: As for the stage dimensions, don't they make plywood in 4X6 sheets? I'm thinking three of those, to make a 12X6 foot stage maybe? Hmm, or should it be deeper than that...seems like Rock Band is easier to play when you're all kinda in a row, so that should work...I think.

IbanezBassist_v2
09-10-2007, 08:04 AM
Yes. Standard size is 4x8. Of course you could chop off 2ft, but that just seems like a waste.

DarK_AssassiN
09-10-2007, 09:41 AM
If you want fog definitely go with dry ice. It works really well and won't harm your equipment ;)

TheTogfather
09-10-2007, 09:52 AM
Yes. Standard size is 4x8. Of course you could chop off 2ft, but that just seems like a waste.

ahh, ok...4X8 would be perfect...put three together, get an 8X12 stage...sounds good to me.

I like the dry ice idea too...much thanks all!

IbanezBassist_v2
09-11-2007, 01:33 AM
Hey, No problem! Need anymore advice, be sure to hit me up. Got a little experience in construction and could help you out if needed.

Smidget
09-11-2007, 05:03 AM
For stage lights you might also want to check some online rental companies. Somethign like this (just an example): Premeir Lighting (http://www.premier-lighting.com/rental/rentdj.htm)
You have to email most of these companies to get a quote but in case you can't find anything at your local RTO... Also, if you have one in your area, Guitar Center might rent the equipment out. They sell a decent selection and they surely rent instruments, maybe they rent this stuff too. Check out there website (http://www.guitarcenter.com/) to find your nearest location and give em a call; might be worth it just to check.

You are going to want to do something to make sure the plywood doesn't move on those cinder blocks. As soon as you start rocking out, it will start sliding. If it turns out the plywood is too flimsy, you could use MDF board either entirely or in combo with the plywood. Its more expensive and comes in smaller sheets (2x4 is standard) but its thicker. [both at standard dim] - 3/4in thick MDF sheet might be around $8. 3/4in thick plywood sheet might be around $13.

I'll think about it some more, at work right now

TheTogfather
09-12-2007, 12:39 AM
Excellent thoughts, thanks for the help.

An update: We've tracked down some speakers that should work that we can borrow, so the sound is covered. My wife found out she can check out one of their projectors they have where she works, so we're gonna project the screen either behind the band or to the side or something. All that's really left is to find a couple LCD screens to face towards the band. Oh, and lighting...I think I'm just gonna go on the cheap here and get some rope lights or something, maybe hit up the party store in the mall and see if they have any deals on some swivel lights or something. With us putting the screen up on the wall, that's kinda gonna serve as the main light show now anyway.

tf5_bassist
09-12-2007, 12:45 AM
Your friendly neighborhood music store should rent PA systems on the cheap. Back in the day when I did DIY park concerts, we'd rent a rig for around $60 or so (I so don't remember exactly) and have it for the day. Nothing fancy, just like a six-channel powered mixer and two speakers, the cables, and the stands, but it works. Run the audio out from the xbox into the line-in on the mixing console, and adjust accordingly. It'll work just fine. :D

TheTogfather
09-12-2007, 02:03 AM
Yah, I"m thinking that the guy we're gonna borrow speakers from might have all that, but if not Ill definatley look into what some local music store offers. Thanks!

Smidget
09-12-2007, 02:48 AM
Will this be indoors or outdoors? (if your wife knows yet). Just want to warn you about the projection screen if it is outdoors and during the day. I organized a tournament using this stage last year:

STAGE PIC 1 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v619/LittleSmidget/stage/IMG_1176.jpg)
STAGE PIC 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v619/LittleSmidget/stage/StageMeasurements.jpg)


The tournament took place during the day and we projected the game on a large screen during the day. It was barely visible. It was my first time doing an outdoor event and it was a "live and learn" weekend, lemme tell ya. We had the rear of the stage covered and projected from behind the screen but it didn't matter.

EDIT: Couldn't find a shot with the screen anywhere but here's one showing how we covered the back of the stage and shows the projector placement: STAGE PIC 3 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v619/LittleSmidget/uspffs4.jpg) The screen was place about halfway to the back of the stage.

TheTogfather
09-12-2007, 03:06 AM
Yah, it's gonna be indoors. Bummer about your tourney..that's a pretty cool stage though...I imagine it'd be fine at night, though hard to organize a big event to happen just in the late hours I'm sure...

Phrank-E
09-12-2007, 11:14 AM
Screw those sheets of plywood down to some 2x4s. You can get them in 12 foot lengths. Space them out at least 1 every two feet.

So for 3 sheets(4x80 you'll need five. 2 for the outside edges and 3 in the middle. I wouldn't too much worry about the outside edges.

Also instead of cinderblocks, You can usually "liberate" a fair amount of milkcrates from behind grocery stores in the middle of the night. Then stack them to the height you need and zip tie them together. Would be alot easier to haul around.