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tf5_bassist
09-11-2007, 02:12 PM
http://app.wishoo.com/events/mtv_rockband/highlights/

Apparently, in the footer of this link, there's logos for not just MTV and VH1, but CMT as well.

Indicator of country DLC? Or just corporate brand whoring?

edit: if there was country dlc, my wife would actually play. hah!

parastroke7
09-11-2007, 02:16 PM
If there was country DLC, I might not be joining you all for this game.

THIS IS NOT COUNTRY BAAAAANNNDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!

espher
09-11-2007, 02:23 PM
If there was country DLC, I might not be joining you all for this game.

THIS IS NOT COUNTRY BAAAAANNNDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!

THINGS THAT DON'T AFFECT ME HURT ME

admanimal
09-11-2007, 02:23 PM
What logo is that to the right of the CMT logo?

ThePaska
09-11-2007, 02:25 PM
I guess we will be seeing some country DLC down the road.

parastroke7
09-11-2007, 02:28 PM
THINGS THAT DON'T AFFECT ME HURT ME

I'm not sure if you're giving me a good rogering with that comment, or if you mean something totally different.

Either way...pineapples.

Eman311
09-11-2007, 02:33 PM
O damn, that sucks.

bounchfx
09-11-2007, 02:35 PM
wow for some reason this makes me suicidal. Country?

/dies.

foolosophy
09-11-2007, 02:49 PM
Wait so you won't buy the game because you have the OPTION of buying country songs? What? If they force-fed us a genre I'm not to appeased with then maybe I would understand but that's ridiculous.

Eman311
09-11-2007, 02:50 PM
Maybe Sweet Home Alabama qualifies as country

Kaboobi
09-11-2007, 02:55 PM
They've been there since the E3 fliers. Don't get your panties in a bunch.

admanimal
09-11-2007, 02:58 PM
Personally I refuse to buy music on the iTunes store, Target, Walmart, and pretty much everywhere else because in addition to the music I do like, they also sell music I don't like. How lame.

masterx1918
09-11-2007, 03:11 PM
there's VH1 logo also so I don't think it means anything

Rock_Starman
09-11-2007, 03:21 PM
I'd be up for some Johnny Cash and The Eagles have been considered country sometimes. Other than that no thanks.

Keebler
09-11-2007, 04:26 PM
MTV Networks owns MTV, VH1, and CMT. I think all 3 logos are there just to show what MTV Networks represents...

JimNasium
09-11-2007, 04:32 PM
I'm slightly disturbed that there's an XBOX logo, but no Playstation

freakonate
09-11-2007, 04:38 PM
You guys are insane.

Some country would be friggin great! Johnny Cash? 16 Horsepower, Slim Cessna, Munly, Mojo Nixon would kick ass!

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Now just give us a banjo and fiddle peripheral! :p

Kang_Zircon
09-11-2007, 04:46 PM
I'd be up for some Johnny Cash and The Eagles have been considered country sometimes. Other than that no thanks.

I agree, Johnny Cash and a few others that might be considered country would be fine. And bluegrass is awesome.

Magnet
09-11-2007, 04:49 PM
I wouldn't be surprised to see some show or mini-series on CMT involving Rock Band similar to what's going on with VH1.

HPLabonte
09-11-2007, 06:25 PM
THINGS THAT DON'T AFFECT ME HURT ME

pray for omarion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omarion#London_Bombings_Controversy)

parastroke7
09-11-2007, 06:35 PM
Country makes me uncomfortable. It's not that I think it sounds terrible, it just makes me feel weird.

QA_India
09-11-2007, 06:48 PM
http://app.wishoo.com/events/mtv_rockband/highlights/

Apparently, in the footer of this link, there's logos for not just MTV and VH1, but CMT as well.

Indicator of country DLC? Or just corporate brand whoring?

edit: if there was country dlc, my wife would actually play. hah!
Hi How are you.

SmokaCola
09-11-2007, 07:09 PM
Why are you guys so scared of country? We have emo bands in GH and RB and Emo is just like a country song, except with screaming and electric guitars rather than acoustics and deep "i'm gunna pound yer ass you dirty little boy" vocals.

tf5_bassist
09-11-2007, 07:57 PM
What logo is that to the right of the CMT logo?

You know, for the life of me, I cannot figure that out.

And honestly, it's not worth getting all butthurt about the possibility of country as DLC. As I said before, my wife would play the **** out of some country, and honestly, so would I. Some good ol' Johnny Cash, Mojo Nixon as mentioned before, T-Bone Walker, Willie Nelson, **** yeah. Seriously, as much as metal kids talk **** about country (including me haha), there is definitely some very good country music out there. It's just not on the radio anymore.

As for the mention above about representing MTV Networks, that's most likely all it is, however, it's an unnecessary image in the footer, so it kind of makes you wonder.

All I'll say is this: The more DLC is available to more groups of people with a wide variety of genres, the more money that HMX gets for DLC, and the more DLC HMX can put out, and the more they can afford big name licensing. It's really not such a bad deal, is it?

tf5_bassist
09-11-2007, 07:59 PM
THINGS THAT DON'T AFFECT ME HURT ME

QFT


Personally I refuse to buy music on the iTunes store, Target, Walmart, and pretty much everywhere else because in addition to the music I do like, they also sell music I don't like. How lame.

Funniest thing I've read in a while. :D

Both of these, actually.

Pdj7969
09-11-2007, 09:50 PM
I'm slightly disturbed that there's an XBOX logo, but no Playstation

Nah, don't be. Its actually the Live logo. If you look carefully, you can see Live written next to Xbox360. You have to remember that Live is a marketable brand and have committed to DLC. PlayStation's store isn't as recognizable (or even branded like Live for that matter) and for that reason its probably not a major partner for Harmonix/MTV/EA. Its not a slight on Sony, its merely brand recognition for the entities that are major backers for the game.

Bakkster_Man
09-11-2007, 11:21 PM
Here's the deal:

Real Country (Willie Nelson, Johnny Cash) = Good

Pop Country (Shania Twain... everything else on CMT now) = Bad

I'm pretty sure the DLC will be the former, not the latter.

thorn_9
09-11-2007, 11:38 PM
Johnny Cash's version of NIN's Hurt kicks ass! I would love to play that.

Folsom Prinson Live DLC as well.

thrdeye
09-11-2007, 11:59 PM
16 Horsepower would be great.

TheTogfather
09-12-2007, 12:14 AM
yah, I could really get behind some good country DLC...just as long as they're not sticking any of it on the game disc. Would open up the game to a whole lot more people (many of whom are my family) and I can wail on some johnny cash...

Maherj
09-12-2007, 12:16 AM
Hi How are you.

Im good lol asl?

masterx1918
09-12-2007, 12:53 AM
Like I said VH1's logo is also at the bottom of the page so I don't think CMT's logo means anything.

freakonate
09-12-2007, 04:56 AM
Like I said VH1's logo is also at the bottom of the page so I don't think CMT's logo means anything.

I think it's just because Viacom owns MTV, VH1, CMT, BET, Nickelodeon among many others. I dunno it's a huge, tangled web of corporate network insanity. lol ...

Eman311
09-12-2007, 05:20 AM
Yea, I totally forgot that CMT is affiliated with MTV. So it probably means nothing more than a little advertisment for the station.

Rock_Starman
09-12-2007, 07:24 AM
Why are you guys so scared of country? We have emo bands in GH and RB and Emo is just like a country song, except with screaming and electric guitars rather than acoustics and deep "i'm gunna pound yer ass you dirty little boy" vocals.

Where's the emo in RB? :confused:

tf5_bassist
09-12-2007, 07:54 PM
Johnny Cash's version of NIN's Hurt kicks ass! I would love to play that.

Folsom Prinson Live DLC as well.

agreedē.

Growing up hearing Folsom Prison a lot, it's kind of weird now knowing that I live less than 20 miles away from the place (http://www.myfolsom.com/folsomprison.shtml). or so.

SmokaCola
09-12-2007, 09:45 PM
Where's the emo in RB? :confused:


Mainly meant GH, Give it some time and there will be a MCR or another emo band album for download on RB. I don't have a problem with the music, I actually like to play the MCR songs. They're still emo though :P nothing wrong with that I guess. And as far as the country goes, some of the songs are actually ok. But then there are some like "Hillbilly Deluxe" that I can't stand at all.

Daesania
09-12-2007, 09:59 PM
What I dont understand is why people wouldnt buy RB because there might be country DLC in the future. Who cares? DLC you have to purchase, you dont like country, you dont purchase it. Simple as that. :rolleyes: I dont like Nirvana, so I can guarantee you that you will not see me out there buying the DLC for Nirvana, but am I *****ing that Nirvana available for DLC? No, I'm not a whiner.

tf5_bassist
09-13-2007, 08:14 AM
What I dont understand is why people wouldnt buy RB because there might be country DLC in the future. Who cares? DLC you have to purchase, you dont like country, you dont purchase it. Simple as that. :rolleyes: I dont like Nirvana, so I can guarantee you that you will not see me out there buying the DLC for Nirvana, but am I *****ing that Nirvana available for DLC? No, I'm not a whiner.

exactly my thought. :D

MountainKing
09-13-2007, 01:54 PM
Mainly meant GH, Give it some time and there will be a MCR or another emo band album for download on RB. I don't have a problem with the music, I actually like to play the MCR songs. They're still emo though :P nothing wrong with that I guess. And as far as the country goes, some of the songs are actually ok. But then there are some like "Hillbilly Deluxe" that I can't stand at all.

Yeehaaw, Rob Zombie's Hellbilly Deluxe is as country as it gets! I'm down.

Apples
09-13-2007, 02:05 PM
With the majority of the setlist announced, zero of them I would qualify as country... I don't consider that coincidence.

And some country is pretty close to pop, so if country does make an appearance in some form, I'd reserve judgement before burning down your Stratocasters. ;) Texas Flood from GH1 I would consider "country-esque" and yet it is routinely regarded as a top song.

Really, I think it would be a good niche item as DLC. A lot of country gets played at karaoke bars in my area.

masterx1918
09-13-2007, 02:19 PM
Texas Flood country? lol more like Blues, Jazz or rock. Nothing like country music at all.

SirAnonymous
09-13-2007, 02:22 PM
Isn't Lynyrd Skynyrd sometimes seen as country-ish?

Not how I look at it, but for some people.

SmokaCola
09-13-2007, 02:57 PM
Isn't Lynyrd Skynyrd sometimes seen as country-ish?

Not how I look at it, but for some people.

Lynyrd Skynyrd is Southern Rock.

Bakkster
09-13-2007, 11:11 PM
Regardless: psychobilly, southern rock, and blues rock all have basically the same origins as country. About the only difference is how you play, namely 'twang'. Play Dead or Alive on slide guitar and suddenly, it's country!

Again, I think this is most likely to be Johhny Cash-style country DLC, not Shannia Twain in the main setlist. Nothing worth getting your panties in a knot over yet.

tf5_bassist
09-13-2007, 11:17 PM
Regardless: psychobilly, southern rock, and blues rock all have basically the same origins as country. About the only difference is how you play, namely 'twang'. Play Dead or Alive on slide guitar and suddenly, it's country!

Again, I think this is most likely to be Johhny Cash-style country DLC, not Shannia Twain in the main setlist. Nothing worth getting your panties in a knot over yet.

agreed with all points of this post.

I'd love to play me some "Ring Of Fire", though.

However, the Social Distortion version would be much MUCH more suited for Rock Band.

Panman
09-15-2007, 10:51 AM
Not sure where this thread is at but I think some country would be great. In my region of the US, country music is almost just as popular, if not more then all the other big genres. No I'm not from the south, MN. Now days country is turning into more "rockish" anyway, compared to the 90's and earlier. Even if country isn't in Rock Band, I think Harmonics or someone should look at a country version.

Kang_Zircon
09-15-2007, 01:00 PM
All i have to say is if they can get something with guitar solos like in this vid as dlc, I'd be all over it.

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Forget Dragonforce, let's get some bluegrass!

Panman
09-15-2007, 01:06 PM
Forget Dragonforce, let's get some bluegrass!
YES, and Rock Band needs to have a ukulele to go with it, maybe a banjo too! ;) :D

SmokaCola
09-15-2007, 09:10 PM
All i have to say is if they can get something with guitar solos like in this vid as dlc, I'd be all over it.


Forget Dragonforce, let's get some bluegrass!

I would be too, no i wouldn't really listen to that song on my downtime but damn that'd be fun to play.

Hade01
09-16-2007, 12:47 AM
Now days country is turning into more "rockish" anyway, compared to the 90's and earlier.

That is exactly what makes me despise it. They changed it waaaay too much and everyone has these annoying ass hick accents when they sing. It takes absolutely no damn talent.

The only country I like is from early nineties and prior.

Now, southern rock I could work with. :D

HollywoodBound
09-16-2007, 12:54 AM
where are those logos? I don't see any logos at the bottom of that page?

ocfanman
09-16-2007, 03:02 AM
i dont see them either

Panman
09-16-2007, 04:38 AM
... and everyone has these annoying ass hick accents when they sing. It takes absolutely no damn talent.
LOL, that's why it's called country. Personally, I don't think rock, especially hard rock takes much more, if any more talent then country. All they seem to do is scream into the mic, cannot understand what they are saying. To me, rap is the hardest genre for singing talent.

The 90's were definitely a good time for country, I do like that music. As I'm typing this I think about my first country CD. John Michael Montgomery for Sold (The Grundy County Auction), which has some harder singing for country IMO.

tf5_bassist
09-17-2007, 09:53 AM
where are those logos? I don't see any logos at the bottom of that page?

oh yeah, forgot to update on that. I checked that page a few days ago, and the logos--all of them--are gone, and the footer matches the rest of the site now. I should've gotten a screenshot, but I didn't think of it.

Simonious
09-17-2007, 11:52 AM
"Hey, this is y'all's favorite song... HONKY TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONK"

/suicide

cmg4894
09-17-2007, 12:04 PM
I'm not a big country fan. I like music and good songs just don't really find anything interesting. Is it bad? No, just not my taste. But if you look hard enough you do find great songs. Example, I was browsing i-Tunes about a year ago and came across Lori McKenna. I went to her page on the site and saw a CD called 'The Kitchen Tapes' it was a demo with only her singing and playing guitar. There is a version of Radiohead's 'Fake Plastic Trees' that is amazing. I like it better then Radiohead's. Just chilling on vocals.

Chris_Gonzalez
09-17-2007, 02:42 PM
YES, and Rock Band needs to have a ukulele to go with it, maybe a banjo too! ;) :D

Banjo Battle Only Track: That song from <i>Deliverance</i>

ductyl
09-17-2007, 03:03 PM
Banjo Battle Only Track: That song from <i>Deliverance</i>

Appropriately enough, entitled Dueling Banjos.
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- ductyl

MountainKing
09-17-2007, 03:21 PM
To me, rap is the hardest genre for singing talent.

Wha? Was that a serious statement?

tf5_bassist
09-17-2007, 08:16 PM
LOL, that's why it's called country. Personally, I don't think rock, especially hard rock takes much more, if any more talent then country. All they seem to do is scream into the mic, cannot understand what they are saying. To me, rap is the hardest genre for singing talent.

The 90's were definitely a good time for country, I do like that music. As I'm typing this I think about my first country CD. John Michael Montgomery for Sold (The Grundy County Auction), which has some harder singing for country IMO.

"Rappers" don't sing. And if they do, it's a vocal take that would make Roseanne Barr look like an award winning vocalist, which is then processed HEAVILY by that oh-so-wonderful Pro-Tools plugin called Antares Autotune (http://www.antarestech.com/products/auto-tune5.shtml). Then it will sound "on-pitch", however, you'll be able to tell that it sounds like the "singer's" vocal chords were being manipulated to gain said pitch by some guy with a pair of forceps down the rapper's throat.

Rappers don't sing.

Not saying that rock vocalists all have golden pipes themselves, but for christ's sake, are you stupid, or just severely ignorant and biased?

Obviously, by making such a ******ed statement, you've never heard any good rock band. Like, ever. You've never seen live footage of U2, or 311, or Avenged Sevenfold (Say what you will about their screamo/metalcore music, dude can ****ing SING, especially for undergoing a major vocal injury), Beastie Boys (who, coincidentally can rap AND sing! *gasp!*), Bad Religion, Green Day (when not severely coked out!), etc etc etc.

I'm too tired to list more, but, good good man. When making heavily opinionated statements like this on the intarweb, you need to checkity-check yourself before you wreckity-wreck yourself. Grow your own well-formed opinion for once.



Yeah, I realize that was as cheesy as it actually sounds..


Rap being hard for singing... hah.

tf5_bassist
09-17-2007, 08:18 PM
Appropriately enough, entitled Dueling Banjos.
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- ductyl

And there's a custom note chart for it for GH2.

linky: http://community.rockband.com/vbforum/showthread.php?t=3589&highlight=best+custom+song

Panman
09-18-2007, 12:34 PM
Wow, that was a funny post, you make me laugh.


Rappers don't sing.
News flash! Anyone who makes music, with their mouth, sing! Doesn't matter how "good" or "bad" you may think it is, it's still singing. Go to school..


are you stupid, or just severely ignorant and biased?
Look who's talkin... Biased? Are you joking? I listen and enjoy most ANY type of music. You and your glory for rock music are biased. Some people here like other types of music, including country, and would like to be able to play that as well.


Obviously, by making such a ******ed statement, you've never heard any good rock band. Like, ever. You've never seen live footage of U2, or 311, or ...
Personally, I like to LISTEN to music. Watching is for TV, movies, etc. Why do you have to "watch" their music to know how well they can sing? If I hear a song I like, then that's good enough for me. Doesn't matter who the artist is or how well they preform. And yes, I have heard U2 and like some of their songs, not all of them.


I'm too tired to list more, but, good good man. When making heavily opinionated statements like this on the intarweb, you need to checkity-check yourself before you wreckity-wreck yourself. Grow your own well-formed opinion for once.
At what part of my comment was so "heavily opinionated" and wrong? And what about this "checkity-check" and "well-formed"? An opinion is someones thoughts about something, doesn't make them right or wrong. Again, go to school... Getting a GED might help you.


Rap being hard for singing... hah.
In your opinion, rap isn't hard to sing. That's fine, I respect your opinion. But when you feel the urge to bash someone else for their opinion, that's wrong. I feel bad for you, I really do.

tf5_bassist
09-23-2007, 05:40 PM
Wow, how'd I miss such a heavy-handed reply? I have no idea. Anyways. First off, yeah, I'll admit that my post was pretty aggressive. Why it was so harsh, I don't know. Maybe it was because I perceived a lot of ignorance and misinformation within the post I responded to. So.


Wow, that was a funny post, you make me laugh.


News flash! Anyone who makes music, with their mouth, sing! Doesn't matter how "good" or "bad" you may think it is, it's still singing. Go to school..

Singing, by definition, is the process of saying words in a melodic fashion. A melody is a string of notes constructed in a fashion to fit together within a scale.

Rapping, by definition, is the process of talking rhythmically to a beat. Talking, really, is unmelodic by musical standards.

A vocalist, however, is someone who "makes music with their mouth". Be it rapping, singing, scatting, or vocal instrumentation.

Neil Young=singer
50 cent=rapper
BB King=singer (well, almost a hybrid involving early origins of rap)
Cypress Hill=rappers
the guy from Dragonforce=singer (after being kicked in the nuts a few times, however)
the dude from Busdriver=rapper

You see a pattern here? Oh, wait, here's one everyone will get.
Chester Bennington from Linkin Park="singer"
Mike Shinoda from Linkin Park=rapper

Not all are singers, not all are rappers. Rappers don't sing because, well, most of the time they can't. And when singers try to rap, it usually comes out poor. With the exception of Fred from the B-52s.



Look who's talkin... Biased? Are you joking? I listen and enjoy most ANY type of music. You and your glory for rock music are biased. Some people here like other types of music, including country, and would like to be able to play that as well.

My glory for rock music? Yeah. I love rock. I was raised on Guns 'N Roses, Aerosmith, Whitesnake, Billy Joel, The Beatles, The Stones, etc etc. However, I was also raised on country. Cash, Jerry Jeff Walker, Tritt, Jackson, T-Bone Walker, Alabama, etc etc. I was also raised on blues; Muddy Waters, BB King, SRV, Double Trouble. Oh, can't forget surf music, too. Dick Dale & The Del Tones, The Surfaris, The Ventures, The Fendermen; and other classic 60s music, The Byrds, The Turtles, The Fendermen, Peter Wheat & The Breadmen, The Animals.

As I grew up and grew older, I also found musical loves in jazz (where not only did I play jazz guitar and bass in high school and college, I also was grouped into the a cappella jazz vocal ensembles), funk, fusion, prog, just to start. I've played in metal bands, I've played in blues bands. I was the house bassist for the blues society back in my old hometown. I played in a band that was basically a fusion-jazz/funk/old-school hip-hop outfit. I've done studio work for old-school country/folk bands. And I actually enjoyed it all!

And in case you missed it, yes, I mentioned hip-hop. Musical hip-hop, like Busdriver, Jurassic 5, OLD-SCHOOL Black Eyed Peas (before that stupid girl joined the band and they got national recognition because of her), KDTU (more of a funk/jazz/hiphop), DJ Greyboy & the Greyboy Allstars. Oldschool Cypress Hill. Digital Underground.

Yeah. I sure am biased. I'm biased against sh!tty music, and ill-informed statements, and untrue perceptions. I said that you were biased because of things you SAID (going back to the rock singers doing nothing but screaming unintelligibly - go check my thread in the Ultimate Setlist section about the band Floater. There's just one example.), whereas YOU said that I was biased purely on speculation and to attack me because I attacked you (admittedly unjustified and harshly).

Facts help.



Personally, I like to LISTEN to music. Watching is for TV, movies, etc. Why do you have to "watch" their music to know how well they can sing? If I hear a song I like, then that's good enough for me. Doesn't matter who the artist is or how well they preform. And yes, I have heard U2 and like some of their songs, not all of them.

This is yet another quite uninformed statement. Not trying to be harsh here, but, c'mon. Do you have any clue of the difference between studio tracks and live music? Seriously? Have you ever been to a concert? Here's one for you. My wife (somehow) likes My Chemical Romance (I know. weaksauce.), and on the CD, everything's tight, precise, and perfectly in-tune (as much as his whiny voice can get). Live? Completely different story. I couldn't even tell what melody he was singing to what song, and the guitarist was way off too. I mean, worse than just having "a tough gig". More like "We don't know what practice is" way off. The drummer kept it solid though. But that was it. Needless to say, I left immediately. It was painful.

THAT'S the difference of live music, and live concert footage. Have you ever seen *insert modern popular rap artist here* live? Well, chances are, no matter who it is, it's sloppy as sh!t. Have you ever seen Cypress Hill live? Those dudes are TIGHT. They have their gig DOWN.

The big problem here is that you completely missed my whole point about asking if you've seen ANY live footage of ANY GOOD BAND. Live performance is what separates the "meh" singers (or even rappers) from the GREAT ones.

You don't have to WATCH live footage or go to concerts to witness true, raw, unadulterated vocal talent. Bands put out live cds, you know. Go check out Blues Travelers' "Live From The Fall". It's freaking amazing! And it has one of the best versions of John Lennon's "Imagine" ever recorded, second only (in my opinion) to Lennon's original.

But, if you're just going to listen to the studio-produced perfection and take it as gospel, then by all means. But that sort of blind faith and following is also what will lead you to believe that "all rock singers just scream", and that it's harder to "sing rap". Which in all actuality, is an oxymoron.

(note: the word "oxymoron" is hereby listed as "off-limits" for any sort of insulting retort to this. Sorry, it's just a rather obvious opening that I'd rather acknowledge now.)



At what part of my comment was so "heavily opinionated" and wrong? And what about this "checkity-check" and "well-formed"? An opinion is someones thoughts about something, doesn't make them right or wrong. Again, go to school... Getting a GED might help you.

Your generalization of all rock singers doing the same thing: not singing. screaming. By that statement alone, I was going to take you for being between 30-50 years old. But then your statement of the 90s being a good time for country... well... if you alive before then, you'd realize that the 90s was when country started to become seriously watered down. Country-pop, country-rock, this was what was emanating from recording artists at the time. The 90s was a great time for country because Johnny Cash was still in enough health to be the same man he had been for the past several decades. Because Reba McEntire made great music. Because Bonnie Raitt was producing amazing tunes. There are a few other exceptions, but really, 90s country=not really true country.

(to be continued next post)

tf5_bassist
09-23-2007, 05:40 PM
Btw: well-formed opinions=based on actual facts, not broad over-generalizations. That's what I meant. True, opinions aren't right or wrong, per se, but when they're based on untrue perceptions, then, well they're ill-formed opinions, and that IS wrong. It's like saying that all black people are gangbangers and ghetto rappers. Every single one of them. I'm not trying to liken your statement about rock musicians to that of the issue of such magnitude as racism, but it's the same style of perception, and perception-based thinking without being able to look outside of a narrow tunnel of perception.

As far as the "checkity-check" bit, that was just me saying "you need to realize what you're saying and doing, before making poor statements/actions" with an attempt at throwing in a random silly 80s phrase in for the s&g factor of it. Apparently, it wasn't recognized as such.


In your opinion, rap isn't hard to sing. That's fine, I respect your opinion. But when you feel the urge to bash someone else for their opinion, that's wrong. I feel bad for you, I really do.

I never once said that rap isn't hard to sing. I never once attempted to say that rap is easy. I'll tell you this, I'm not that great at it myself. I can sing okay these days, but rap, well, it's a bit difficult for me. Not because I don't have rhythm, but because I just don't have the breath for it mostly! :D

I never once said that rock is better than rap. I merely stated that rap is not "sung", as it's an entirely different skillset. And I was (again, admittedly) rather taken back by the ease with which you lumped the two completely different styles into one, and then polarized them to "hard" and "sh!tty". I completely agree that some rock vocalists scream rather unintelligibly, and I'll even agree that John Michael Montgomery's a decent artist. My best friend back in high school had a LOT of country, and that's one artist he played a lot, very good stuff. However, I'm going to have to give the nod to Junior Brown for more difficult vocals. And Junior Brown>>>>most country and most rap, both in quality AND difficulty.

I never meant to bash your opinion. Fine. Opinions are great. I was bashing your severely painful generalization about, well, pretty much everything you said about what being harder to sing, etc etc. For which I most definitely apologize for, it was harsh, and you didn't deserve what I said how I said it. Regardless of how much of a poor blanket statement I believe it was, you still don't deserve to be bashed for it.

I still stand by the fact that I highly disagree with most of what you said, and it's pretty ignorant of music in general to say things like that in my eyes, but, eh, that's your deal, and I'm sorry for the way I approached it.

Looking back on all this sh!t, I probably should just let it go and not worry about it, and I'll probably get some negative reactions to this post, saying sh!t like "Wtf is this, the GH forums??". I'm posting it regardless though, partly because you didn't seem like you completely got what I was trying to convey, partly because I wanted to clarify things that I'd said and things that you inferred from things I said, and partly because I wanted to apologize for my poor behavior. So like it or not, whether you feel that I'm just bashing you again or not, or whether you understand the actuality of what I'm trying to convey and why, here it is.

With that, again, I'm sorry for the way I reacted, I'm sorry for how I said a handful of things, and I'm sorry that I wasn't clear enough in what I had said - I had thought it was pretty clear-cut about the differences I was trying to point out, and apparently I was wrong. I'm also apologizing for any perceived animosity in THIS post, as well - I just had things to say that may have been a bit heated, and so I'm apologizing for it now.

So... Peace?

Panman
09-24-2007, 09:29 AM
So... Peace?
Yeah, I don't feel like writing a 10 page reply anyway. Besides this is Rock Band! We should be impatiently waiting for its' arrival, not bickering about these petty differences.

Peace

Now lets get this thread back on topic. There's a new country song I'd like to play on Rock Band, Shooter Jennings - Busted in Baylor County

KingSnarf
09-24-2007, 10:56 AM
Let me chime in with the "What's the Big Deal?" side. As others have noted, there's a good deal of overlap. Artists like Lynyrd Skynyrd, Foghat, and others have a country sound, and folks like Johnny Cash and Willie Nelson have done what some would call rock n' roll. Heck, Garth Brooks did a cover of a KISS song. And let's not forget that the King of Rock and Roll himself sang many country songs. Bottom line- if they're good songs with a primary focus on guitar, bass, vocals, and drums, why not let it in Rock Band, at least as DLC?

Panman
09-24-2007, 01:24 PM
Bottom line- if they're good songs with a primary focus on guitar, bass, vocals, and drums, why not let it in Rock Band, at least as DLC?
Very well put!

KingSnarf
09-24-2007, 01:53 PM
Thank you. I are write English good.

tf5_bassist
09-25-2007, 07:40 AM
Sweetness.

I still think it'd be seriously fun to sing "Highway Patrol" by Junior Brown. although my voice isn't deep enough for it, but guitar'd be INSANE.

my wife would sing any Toby Keith song lmao... And then there's always Bucky Covington... bahaha. no, seriously though.

Oh, in case anyone missed it, on the RB tour, the big road cases that hold the gear have stenciled logos all over 'em... MTV, EA, HMX, VH!, and yes, CMT. My wife giggled like a little school-girl.

Dolly Parton for DLC. But ONLY if there's a matching in-game character model. :D