Am I the only one that would not be upset with Tool NOT in rockband?

[Daesania]

Ok.. I already know they're going to have Nirvana as DLC... but am I the only one who would rather not see Tool in the game? I mean dont get me wrong, I know millions of people love tool... but I just dont see the appeal - same with Nirvana. Nirvana I hate more, I just hate Kurt's whiny voice.. but Tool just seems pretty mediocre. Am I the only person who thinks this? (Please dont kill me, i know you Tool fans are obsessive)

[battle_axe_of_doom]

i'm pretty sure you're not since 30% voted no in the tool thread, but idc about you hating tool even though i love them. tool fanboys are amongst the most biased group of people and surely they'll come in here and flame you, but they also believe that hidden in lateralus is a magical golden spiral that will give you eternal salvation :rolleyes:

[Daesania]

Oh, I didnt see that one. I've seen like 4 or 5 tool threads, i just ignore them. LOL. Yeah, I've got my flame ******ant suit on. Ready to go.

[ZkDotNet]

Ok.. I already know they're going to have Nirvana as DLC... but am I the only one who would rather not see Tool in the game? I mean dont get me wrong, I know millions of people love tool... but I just dont see the appeal - same with Nirvana. Nirvana I hate more, I just hate Kurt's whiny voice.. but Tool just seems pretty mediocre. Am I the only person who thinks this? (Please dont kill me, i know you Tool fans are obsessive)
I'm one of those that voted no for Tool in RB. I don't hate Tool per se... I still have their first (3?) CDs... but, between Tool and APC, I sorta got tired of Maynard.

I could think of worse things to be in RB (and a couple are there), so it wouldn't be that bad. They just seem more DLC material to me (ie, not a lot of fun for the whole band).

[idiotec]

This really required a thread? :confused:

[Daesania]

Yeah i really wouldnt care about Tool DLC (hey let people waste their own money how they want, as long as it doesnt affect me, I dont care).. but I just hope its not going to be in the main game function.

[Daesania]

This really required a thread? :confused:
Is this really a required reply?

[idiotec]

Is this really a required reply?
Are you ****ing kidding me?

You post a topic that is nothing but flame bait and you contest a reply that questions it?

Look, you don't like Tool, post a reply in one of the many Tool threads already started.

Or I could just tell you that you have no taste, but of course, I won't do that.

[battle_axe_of_doom]

Or I could just tell you that you have no taste, but of course, I won't do that.

this is just the "friendly" way of telling someone they have no taste

[SavagePlanet]

Tool just seems pretty mediocre.

Haha...ha...ha.

Is ignorance as blissful as they claim it to be?

[battle_axe_of_doom]

and here they come...

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

I dont care either way really.

I dont really like Tool. My cousin (who's smarter than to belong to a group) had got me into them once, but I downloaded an album by them that I didnt give much of a chance. I just dont like slow music much. And I dont know the appeal of it either, but I dont think the band would give me want I look for when I listen to music.

As for Nirvana, I like them, but Ive been hating them lately, cuz everybody has this ****ing osession with them, its turned ridiculous. Probably why I hate Ozzy and Metallica as well. Its just an obsession and people cant look past them. Another reason is because the idiot rockers in my country masturbate to these bands as if they were the be all end all of music. And people that dont care ot know about it, always try to ask you "So what do you like, Nirvana?" I go "yeah whatever" just so they can get away from me.

To quote Chris Griffin: "I am so awkward!!!"

[Daesania]

Are you ****ing kidding me?

You post a topic that is nothing but flame bait and you contest a reply that questions it?

Look, you don't like Tool, post a reply in one of the many Tool threads already started.

Or I could just tell you that you have no taste, but of course, I won't do that.

Did you read the title of the thread? I didnt post this just to get flames, why would someone openly do that? I am generally curious as to who would prefer NOT to have tool in the main game. AGAIN I point out just the main game, DLC i could care less about, I dont have to pay for that.



Haha...ha...ha.

Is ignorance as blissful as they claim it to be?

Yeah. People cant have their own opinons. Move along. This thread is not for you.

[Daesania]

I dont care either way really.

I dont really like Tool. My cousin (who's smarter than to belong to a group) had got me into them once, but I downloaded an album by them that I didnt give much of a chance. I just dont like slow music much. And I dont know the appeal of it either, but I dont think the band would give me want I look for when I listen to music.

As for Nirvana, I like them, but Ive been hating them lately, cuz everybody has this ****ing osession with them, its turned ridiculous. Probably why I hate Ozzy and Metallica as well. Its just an obsession and people cant look past them. Another reason is because the idiot rockers in my country masturbate to these bands as if they were the be all end all of music. And people that dont care ot know about it, always try to ask you "So what do you like, Nirvana?" I go "yeah whatever" just so they can get away from me.

To quote Chris Griffin: "I am so awkward!!!"


Oh, thank you Lavatory. I am the same way. I like Ozzy, but I dont like Metallica either. For me, it seems like once a band hits mass popularity, I just dislike them. But in 99% of the cases, they sucked to begin with. hah :)

[battle_axe_of_doom]

well i wouldn't say i hate a band when they hit mass popularity but i do get annoyed by it. just because 9/10 people in a room like it i won't stop listening to the band, but when they start raving about it as if they are the messiahs of their respective genres or rock in general, thats when it gets annoying as ****

example : Lamb Of God. i do hate this band, but i'm more annoyed by them than anything else. about 90% of my friends go on and on about lamb of god when in reality they are nothing but a run of the mill HYE LETS MIX THRASHY RIFFS WITH BREAKDOWNS band.

[ZkDotNet]

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Sorry, this thread suddenly reminded me of Indie Rock Pete from DieselSweeties.com.

[SavagePlanet]

Yeah. People cant have their own opinons. Move along. This thread is not for you.

No no no. You are certainly entitled to your own opinion. Liking Tool's music is something that is totally subjective and that's all you; I'm not questioning that. You can like them or not like them. I don't care. But to call them "mediocre" is just flat-out untrue. To say that a band is mediocre implies that they are of only average skill. Any person with any sort of musical knowledge can look at Tool and see that they are not "mediocre", but an exceptional band, musicianship-wise. I've talked to people who don't like Tool, but they could not deny their musical prowess. To think the band is only moderately skilled is quite ignorant, and that's all I'm saying.

[ThePaska]

You would not be the only one, I have never been interested in Tool, I haven't listened to them much, and am not really a big fan. I certainly wouldn't be affected by them not being in the game. However I know there are a bunch of people out there that want them in the game, so I wouldn't be surprised or upset if they were in the game. I'd probably end up liking any song that ends up in Rock Band.

[TheTogfather]

No no no. You are certainly entitled to your own opinion. Liking Tool's music is something that is totally subjective and that's all you; I'm not questioning that. You can like them or not like them. I don't care. But to call them "mediocre" is just flat-out untrue. To say that a band is mediocre implies that they are of only average skill. Any person with any sort of musical knowledge can look at Tool and see that they are not "mediocre", but an exceptional band, musicianship-wise. I've talked to people who don't like Tool, but they could not deny their musical prowess. To think the band is only moderately skilled is quite ignorant, and that's all I'm saying.

Thank you for posting this before I found this thread...saves me the trouble. I can accept someone not liking Tool as their personal opinion, but trying to claim that they are mediocre musicians is just plain dumb. Danny Carey (drummer) is highly regarded as one of the top five drummers alive. Maynard (whether you agree with his beliefs or not, which in several cases I do not) is a very, very skilled vocalist and lyricist. Some people think that's arguable, and I guess anything is really, but I still find that very hard to dispute, and I think the majority of people would agree with that. Adam (guitar) and Justin (bass), while maybe not known to shred quite like Dream Theater or anything, can rip through some wildly agressive riffs and time changes and pull together some of the most powerful music that I think you can hear today. Yes, it's not to everyone's taste, but the vast majority of musically talented people will tell you that they are very highly skilled musicians. Trying to claim otherwise really exposes a lack of informative thinking.

A simple 'no' vote and explaination on the massive Tool poll thread, second largest in this forum section btw, probably would have sufficed in place of this thread.

But to answer your question directly, no...you obviously are not alone in your belief, but I believe there are many more people who WOULD be upset at Tool's absence, as indicated by the thread mentioned above. If HMX/MTV/EA likes money, and I assume that they do, then it really would not make sense to intentionally try to exclude a band of Tool's caliber, only to appease a minority of people who's musical tastes do not include a highly succesful and critically acclaimed musical group.

edit: correction of easily found typos...I'm sure there are more obscure ones...

[IbanezBassist_v2]

*cries*

I thought I loved you D! Why! Why! WHY!

[BarryC]

No no no. You are certainly entitled to your own opinion. Liking Tool's music is something that is totally subjective and that's all you; I'm not questioning that. You can like them or not like them. I don't care. But to call them "mediocre" is just flat-out untrue. To say that a band is mediocre implies that they are of only average skill. Any person with any sort of musical knowledge can look at Tool and see that they are not "mediocre", but an exceptional band, musicianship-wise. I've talked to people who don't like Tool, but they could not deny their musical prowess. To think the band is only moderately skilled is quite ignorant, and that's all I'm saying.

Musical skill is just as subjective as opinions so if his opinion is they are mediocre, then it's his truth.

[Apples]

This thread is getting slightly out of hand. I would like to interject my own perspective.


* Based on the pattern thus far, if the band does make the retail disc, it would be one song at most. One song will not make or break anything.

* If the band does not make the retail disc, the DLC model is perfect for satisfying both fans and anti-fans of the band.

* If you look back at Guitar Hero on the 360, there was a strong uprising when My Chemical Romance was announced because of a preconceived dislike of the band. After people got past the initial flames and actually tried it in game, the song chosen turned out to fit in pretty well.

[GrayInvisible]

I don't really care for them. People wouldn't want them in because bands they like might not get in.

[TheTogfather]

Musical skill is just as subjective as opinions so if his opinion is they are mediocre, then it's his truth.

That's just not true. Musical skill is, by definition, a skill that one can either possess or not, just like athletic skill. I hate Terrell Owens, but I could not make an argument that he has no athletic skill. Personal taste and opnion comes in when someone judges the resulting output of the skill, it does not come into play when determining if someone possesses that skill or not.

[A_Perfect_TOOL]

A lot of what I would have said has already been taken care of by previous posters, so this reply won't be the flame-ridden rant that it was going to be when I read the first post.

To each their own.

But the fact that Tool is one of the most hotly debated and discussed bands in this forum, with the second largest thread I believe, is sheer proof that even if it doesn't make it onto the game disc, Tool needs to be in the game. Hell, Led Zepplin, AC/DC, and other more 'prominant' bands aren't even getting as much first page love(or hate) as Tool.

[Rev0lver]

lets see here

Drums: some of the best of all time
Guitar and Bass: i understand how you could call this mediocre, but defintely an original sound.
Vocals: Decent, not the best but original as well. also to add, maynard's lyrics are some of the best i have ever heard

[IbanezBassist_v2]

Are you insane!? MJK has some of the best vocals out there today!

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

Oh, thank you Lavatory. I am the same way. I like Ozzy, but I dont like Metallica either. For me, it seems like once a band hits mass popularity, I just dislike them. But in 99% of the cases, they sucked to begin with. hah :)

Thats where we disagree. Metallica used to be metal for their first four albums. The Black album i do like, but definitely not the Metallica anyone wanted.

And people, if somebody says its mediocre, they have reasons for it. Music is NOT opinions, but if sombody claims something, they have a reason for it. Its like two scientists arguing over the same thing. You cant say the scientists must be wrong because they are arguing about it, therefore there not being a proper answer. The thing is, that both scientists' perspectives have been reached using science itself, therefore, the problem becomes one of perspective, and both can be found as perfectly valid until some sort of synthesis is reached.

So the people that say "you cant deny the musicianship" have no more ground than those that claim its mediocre without explaining why.

What some of you are saying here implies then that a Music professor likes EVERYTHING, and thinks EVERYTHING is just the greatest thing EVAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

See my point? No? Dont worry, I dont either.

[Daesania]

Sheesh, I go home from work and this is what I come back to. Yikes.


No no no. You are certainly entitled to your own opinion. Liking Tool's music is something that is totally subjective and that's all you; I'm not questioning that. You can like them or not like them. I don't care. But to call them "mediocre" is just flat-out untrue. To say that a band is mediocre implies that they are of only average skill. Any person with any sort of musical knowledge can look at Tool and see that they are not "mediocre", but an exceptional band, musicianship-wise. I've talked to people who don't like Tool, but they could not deny their musical prowess. To think the band is only moderately skilled is quite ignorant, and that's all I'm saying.


Well, Lets look at the defination of mediocre:


Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source
me·di·o·cre /ˌmidiˈoʊkər/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[mee-dee-oh-ker] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective 1. of only ordinary or moderate quality; neither good nor bad; barely adequate.
2. rather poor or inferior.


To me, the quality of music is nothing special. I find the music rather boring, there just isnt a sparkle to me. You guys are all allowed to love Tool and think the guy is genius, but I just dont see it. Again, that's my own opinion, and you are not going to take that away from me. Maybe its because I havent had a large exposure to Tool, but that is my own doing. The songs I heard were enough for me to create an opinion that I would rather not listen to anything further from them. Same with Nirvana - I didnt like Kurt's vocals (sounds like nails on a chalkboard to me), listened to probably 2 or 3 songs, and I'll never listen to them again. That is my choice.

You guys keep thinking I dont want Tool in RB at all, and that is farther from the truth. I would much rather see Tool as DLC, but I personally would rather not have them in the main game, because I would not play that song. DLC would appease everyone, the people who dont want to play tool, and the people who do. Then again, I guess that statement could apply to any and every band out there, so that's kind of a moot point.. but its also my opinion. I just would rather not see them in the main game. Their musical "genius" does not apply in this case, who freaking cares. I do not like their style of music, and if I'm "ignorant" for not liking that music, then baaahhhh. Move along sheep.

[Daesania]

Oh, and IB, just saw your post. You can still love me because I dont like Tool, there are other reasons to love me :P

[Desensitized]

And people, if somebody says its mediocre, they have reasons for it. Music is NOT opinions, but if sombody claims something, they have a reason for it. Its like two scientists arguing over the same thing. You cant say the scientists must be wrong because they are arguing about it, therefore there not being a proper answer. The thing is, that both scientists' perspectives have been reached using science itself, therefore, the problem becomes one of perspective, and both can be found as perfectly valid until some sort of synthesis is reached.

So the people that say "you cant deny the musicianship" have no more ground than those that claim its mediocre without explaining why.

What some of you are saying here implies then that a Music professor likes EVERYTHING, and thinks EVERYTHING is just the greatest thing EVAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

See my point? No? Dont worry, I dont either.
Wow... I agree with you.

Especially the second paragraph, because that always feels like grasping at straws "But, you can't deny the musicianship!" Good musicians can write crappy songs, people. Just cause you can play the bass, doesn't mean you can't write a crap bassline.

That said, I like Tool, but don't love them. I like the drums and a few songs, but otherwise they don't do much for me.

[bounchfx]

I think we should make at least 18 more threads revolving around tool.

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

Oh, and IB, just saw your post. You can still love me because I dont like Tool, there are other reasons to love me :P

If you dont mind the crude rudeness, Id say your avatar presents good enough reasons :)

[Daesania]

If you dont mind the crude rudeness, Id say your avatar presents good enough reasons :)
LOL! And no, I dont mind crude rudeness, you havent seen enough of my posts yet I take it. Haha. I'm about as crude and dirty as a guy.. which, i dont know if that's a good thing :/

Holy off topic derail :D

[idiotec]

http://packy.dardan.com/walky/albums/album11/afz.jpg

Who could of possibly imagined that this thread would end up this way? :rolleyes:

[TheTogfather]

I had a retort all figured out in my head, then saw that last one and decided not to post it, to just let that be the last post in the thread...perfect...





...oh crap...

[Daesania]

I'm so glad people are so biased on these forums. Its purely comical.

[SmashingPumpkin]

Tool will never be on Rock Band. They are too secretive with their music to let it be in Rock Band. I love Tool, but i just can't see that their songs would be fun enough to play. The singing would be incredibly frustrating. BTW Nirvana was one of the most influential bands of our time so it needs some respect. RIP Kurt.

[battle_axe_of_doom]

nirvana sucks, and i'm pretty sure somebody already said like millions of times that tool actually tried to get a song of theirs onto gh2 or something but they weren't allowed to

[Daesania]

Tool will never be on Rock Band. They are too secretive with their music to let it be in Rock Band. I love Tool, but i just can't see that their songs would be fun enough to play. The singing would be incredibly frustrating. BTW Nirvana was one of the most influential bands of our time so it needs some respect. RIP Kurt.

I dont have to respect Nirvana for ****. Move on.

[TheTogfather]

I'm so glad people are so biased on these forums. Its purely comical.

I dont have to respect Nirvana for ****. Move on.

And here I thought it might be possible to have an intelligent conversation with you, but doesn't look like you're interested in that. Had me fooled at first...

[Coldplayer]

I really don't care if Tool is in the game or not. I'm okay with whatever happens.

[Chthonic]

There's always DLC, people. Just make sure to nag Harmonix sufficiently.

[Nilsen581]

dont care for tool

[Daesania]

And here I thought it might be possible to have an intelligent conversation with you, but doesn't look like you're interested in that. Had me fooled at first...

I dont really care what you think about me. Thats the thing that cracks me up about these boards, people take **** so seriously. I dont know you real life, you dont know me. People saying things about me on the internet, meh. who cares, doesnt hurt my feelings because for all I know, that person probably is just a lonely kid who has parents that dont monitor his internet. Thats how I treat just about everyone.

I have and will meet a few people from RB to jam out on GH, oh no! The secret of me being a ***** must not be compromised!

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

I dont find need to respect anybody, actually haha Sorry.

Nirvana influenced a bunch of crappy bands. So, I do see Nirvana as a step forward in popular music, especially after the HORRIBLE 80s, but I wouldnt call them influential. You see, influential doesnt mean it kicks ass. It means it influences....

[battle_axe_of_doom]

i wish people would stop calling the 80s horrible. you're only looking at the mainstream. great bands formed in the 80s and released some damn good albums. don't knock a good 10 years of music just cuz of some ****bags in tight leather and huge pink wigs became the mainstream in rock muzak

[Drossvirex]

Your forum etiquette is mediocre.

This half-ass jump on a huge fan base hump attempt for attention hardly warrants a response. You are entitled to your opinion. You have to realize that Tool is not a generic band. You can't hear a few songs to judge them. You have to listen. They are going for feeling in their music. This isn't bubble gum radio. It's progressive non-repetitious metal. The best for multiple listens.

Please listen to the song Wings for Marie (pt 1 and pt 2) and listen to it with head phones at least 5 times.

Come back here when you've actually listened to them and tell me they are mediocre.

[sushi111]

I am not a Tool fan, but I want to see people happy, so I hope they are in, but I personally dont give a crap.

[GrayInvisible]

i wish people would stop calling the 80s horrible. you're only looking at the mainstream. great bands formed in the 80s and released some damn good albums. don't knock a good 10 years of music just cuz of some ****bags in tight leather and huge pink wigs became the mainstream in rock muzak

Actually, Some of the more sillier dressed bands in the 80s were decent. There was tons of crap in the 80s though, I have to admit. The 80s were the end of decent music being popular. The 90s were when decent music stopped being popular once and for all.

Atleast the 80s band fashion was actually funny and cheesy, in a sort of cheerful, have a laugh way. They didn't take the way they dressed seriously. The way mainstream rock fashion has gone now is too sad to be funny (For the extreme bands, there were neutral bands in the 80s and now).

[LavatoryLoveMachine]

i wish people would stop calling the 80s horrible. you're only looking at the mainstream. great bands formed in the 80s and released some damn good albums. don't knock a good 10 years of music just cuz of some ****bags in tight leather and huge pink wigs became the mainstream in rock muzak

The 80s SUCKED. Sure, for metal it didnt. The metal underground had great stuff like Helstar, Omen, Celtic Frost ...bands that just died away in oblivion because Metal wasnt "cool". Still, that doesnt mean the 80s didnt sucked. I mean, in Metal, the 80s were the foundation, and it was kick ass. Still, overall, seeing the big picture, beyond metal, the 80s sucked bad. Going down to the store listening to that horrible, machine music that was always featured in movie montages would have been a nightmare.

Also, since I was talking Nirvana, I was mostly referring to wide spread, "mainstream" music. I mean, you can hate Seattle bands all you want, but the whole thing was a return to the rebellious rock of the 70s. I find that positive after the bubblegum pop music they had in the 80s.