Saints of LA verse two

[obsoleteshock]

Am I mistaken, or do I hear something to the effect of "There's a girl passed out naked on the bed.... everybody's going to score!"?

I hope I'm wrong, but if I'm not that is the flat out most offensive line I've ever heard in a rock song.

[undertow]

Have you tried doing the vocals for this song? That's pretty much exactly what it says, only it's not bed it's back lounge. Oh and it's everybody's looking to score.

and if you have a need, the devil will feed it :)

Get over it man, it's Rock!

My Sharona is offensive too yes? :P

[Knights_of_Ni]

thats basically what it says :D
the Crue hasn't changed much lol

[obsoleteshock]

The thing is, I'm not an easily offended person. For example, I watch the South Park Movie and Team America religiously and I don't find songs such as "So What" or "Last Caress" by Metallica (yes I realize they are covers) to be offensive because they are in jest.

However, I think you may have cleared it up. If they have said "There's a girl passed out naked in the back lounge; everybody's going to score!" then they might as well have said "Raping girls is fun!" If you guys are right and it is "There's a girl passed out naked in the back lounge; everbody's looking to score," then the two separate thoughts could possibly be related in describing the crazy atmosphere of the place, but not implying that everyone is looking to score with the passed out girl. There is a huge difference between the two slightly different versions of that line. If it is the first version, then I officially consider this the first time I've ever been offended by the irresponsibility and downright moral repugnancy of a rock song. If it is the second, I will let them slide as two unconnected thoughts that don't necessarily imply cause and effect.

I'm sorry man, but consent is a pretty important thing and pretending that a girl being passed out naked means that the whole room can do whatever they want to her is just downright sick.

[McDreads]

I'm offended that you're offended by those lyrics.

[bonethug0108]

Am I mistaken, or do I hear something to the effect of "There's a girl passed out naked on the bed.... everybody's going to score!"?

I hope I'm wrong, but if I'm not that is the flat out most offensive line I've ever heard in a rock song.

THAT would be the most offensive line you've heard?!?

You must be very young or must not listen to much music.:confused:

[Jim_Morrison_srsly]

""Girl's passed out, naked in the back lounge, everybody's going to score"

are the lyrics.

[fried_blowney]

Some people need to grow up. It's music. I wonder how many people complained when Casey Jones was drivin that train, high on cocaine?

*still waiting to find someone*

That's what I thought.

[bonethug0108]

I mean, if that is thought to be offensive, you would die if you knew what sex type thing was about(he is singing about something that happened to someone he knew from the rapist's perspective).

"Here I come" isn't really what he is saying, if you know what I mean.

[keicher]

Am I mistaken, or do I hear something to the effect of "There's a girl passed out naked on the bed.... everybody's going to score!"?

I hope I'm wrong, but if I'm not that is the flat out most offensive line I've ever heard in a rock song.

grow up. seriously.

[yelladog32]

Some people need to grow up. It's music. I wonder how many people complained when Casey Jones was drivin that train, high on cocaine?

*still waiting to find someone*

That's what I thought.

Those lyrics and the thought process here kind of remind me why I tell my sister to yell 'fire' if she ever gets pulled into a back alley; because people will actually help if they hear 'fire'...

[obsoleteshock]

I think everyone is missing what is so offensive about it.

I would not consider this line offensive:

"A girl is sprawled out naked in the back lounge; everbody's going to score."

The fact that the girl is passed out is the offensive part. It's like they are saying "Hey, there's a girl passed out. I have a fun idea; let's all take turns raping her!"

I'm trying to think of some of the rock/metal/various sub-genre bands that have been considered controversial over the past 30 years or so... Sex Pistols, Marilyn Manson, Cannibal Corpse, W.A.S.P, GWAR, Slipknot, Cradle of Filth, Type O Negative, Morbid Angel, Deicide, Slayer, etc. I've heard most of this stuff, like some of it and consider some of it juevenile, but none of what I can recall matches the offensiveness of this line (maybe Cannibal Corpse, but that's not exactly meant to be taken seriously).

Real 40(or 50?)-somethings reminicing about the good old days of raping girls on the sunset strip in the 80's is easily more offensive than all of the profanity, vulgarity, violence or religious blaspemy of the aforementioned bands combined. Maybe I'm the only one who sees it that way.

[Daytman]

I love this song, and the lyrics are great, good old Crue. I find nothing wrong with the lyrics.

[ForgottenHero]

Flame all you want but I agree with the OP, it's a pretty sour line.

It's just like when I got flamed for thinking the line in Coheed and Cambria's "In Keeping Secrets of Silent Earth: 3" was one of the most distasteful lines I'd ever heard: "I'd kill anything, cut the throats of babies for them..."

Although I'm an avid Coheed fan, I just try to drown out that part of the song. I get the point of it, they are trying to say they would do anything for each other, but why say it like that?

Again, be like the Human Torch and flame on, but it won't sway my opinion.

[Ragehammer]

The thing is, I'm not an easily offended person. For example, I watch the South Park Movie and Team America religiously and I don't find songs such as "So What" or "Last Caress" by Metallica (yes I realize they are covers) to be offensive because they are in jest.

If you like a song that says "I got somethin' to say, I raped your mother today, Doesn't matter much to me as long as she spread" you can't be offended by the crue.

Just alittle bit o' hypocracy me thinks.

[ecfirefighter]

why do I read these? :rolleyes: I mean it's like a car accident... I don't want to... but I just can't help it.

[obsoleteshock]

The fact that a line like that gets into a T-rated game and simple four-letter expletives get taken out of Garbage and Nine Inch Nails songs says a lot about the backwards way the powers that be view censorship in this day and age.

[grasa_total]

I just checked the lyrics (via http://www.rockbandcontent.com/rbc/db/songs.php) and it is "everybody's gonna score", not "everybody's lookin' to score" or anything like that.

But I'm not sure the point of the song is that the situation described is awesome. "A two room slum with a mattress and a gun" isn't much an advertisement for the life of the "saints". I mean, sure, probably they would have written the lyric differently if the image bothered them viscerally; musically, it's a party song. But I do think there's a difference between this sort of half-warning-half-celebration of scuzziness, which is a game popular entertainment has played for a long time, and a song that says "Woo rape!"

(Maybe not the best song for people who play Rock Band with their six-year-olds, though.)

Edited to add: If it is meant to be the band reminiscing about their glory days, as Obsoleteshock described it, then I agree it's vile. I didn't take it that way, but I haven't heard much Crue and wasn't usually paying attention to the lyrics. Maybe they really are complete *******s.

[mmiranda119]

grow up. seriously.

Yeah, he needs to grow up and learn that rape is acceptable...

[Mex]

I can see both sides here. Singing about rape can be offensive to alot of people, it doesn't mean they need to "grow up" as some has suggested. Being mature and getting older doesn't mean you stop caring about things like rape.

The key to this is, what's the intent? Is the song promoting rape? Condoning it? Not likely. Moreso it's just a commentary on what's going on around these guys or things they've seen in the past.

Sex Type Thing as an example, surely is not meant to promote rape. It's a touchy subject but if it can spark a discussion on the matter or make someone think about it, the song has done it's job. (If that's what the artist had intended).

[DStone39]

I love this song, and the lyrics are great, good old Crue. I find nothing wrong with the lyrics.

QFT. The song is just like Crue's older songs. I do have to admit though, I wasn't expecting those lyrics in the final cut for Rock Band.

[LinkStrifeLeonhart]

Shock value. That's what I think it is.

I hardly think it means anything at all other than 'hey, this sounds good!' or 'hey, this is pretty edgy!' Plus, I haven't lived in LA but the lyrics seem to fall in line with what movies portray the area to be like.

[bonethug0108]

The fact that a line like that gets into a T-rated game and simple four-letter expletives get taken out of Garbage and Nine Inch Nails songs says a lot about the backwards way the powers that be view censorship in this day and age.

I can totally agree with that statement. Not that I agree with what you think the line means, but curse words are just words. It is how words are put together that forms what they mean.

And still, whether they are saying they raped the girl or not, I've heard songs describe rape much more graphically. If anything this song BARELY hinted at it. I don't think that's what they meant, but I guess it's all in the interpretation. Certainly didn't sound like they were condoning the act either way.

Anyone old enough to interpret it that way should be old enough to know right and wrong.

[obsoleteshock]

If you like a song that says "I got somethin' to say, I raped your mother today, Doesn't matter much to me as long as she spread" you can't be offended by the crue.

Just alittle bit o' hypocracy me thinks.

I didn't say I necessarily liked the song, just that I wasn't offended by it. I don't think any reasonable person could take the lyrics to that song seriously. They were intended to offend, which makes them far less offensive. I think one of the most offensive things about the lyrics in Saints of LA is that it really just seems like a passing line, like the thing to do when a girl is passed out at a party is take advantage of the situation.

It's a catchy song and fun to play and part of me wants to like it, but that line is just reprehensible if I'm reading it correctly. I seriously didn't think I could actually be offended by anything that made it through or around the filters of pop culture, but here we are.

[ppetrovi]

Maybe just maybe Motley Crue wrote those lyrics because that is what they wanted to sing about to describe the party scene. And also they probably did not think near as much as anyone on these boards is thinking about those exact lyrics.

It is offensive. But lots of things are. It is rock and roll. What do you expect? Half the people here say censoring it takes away from the artist, and the other half say they need to be censored for kids. Someone is going to be unhappy if we want some rock like this in Rock Band.

[Idle°Hands]

I'm just dumbfounded that people would get upset over lyrics in a song. If it bothers you that much then start listening to classical or jazz. This is rock and roll. Has the OP never heard the expression "sex, drugs, and rock & roll"?

If you think for a second that MC never took advantage of stupid, drunk, high or just plain naive women in their days as rock stars then you're just blind. The fact of the matter is that these kinds of things happen, they happen every single day.

So either learn to deal with it or avoid it, but don't come here with your "Wah, they said bad things, me no likey to hear about bad things, sing about rainbows, puppies and lolli's please"

[obsoleteshock]

Decent point ppetrovi. I've spent most of my life arguing that the first amendment is incontovertible and people should be allowed to put whatever content they feel necessary into music, film and (most importantly) the news media.

That said, I can still find a line like this completely disgusting and morally depraved since (my interpretation of course) the song is quite blatantly glorifying the lifestyle described and the line is presented as if everybody scoring is the cool thing to do.

Should they have a right to write, perform and sell this song to whoever wants to buy it? Absolutely. Will I ever be able to hear a Motley Crue song again or see one of their album covers without thinking "rapists" in the back of my head? I guess time will tell, but any respect I had for these guys flew out the window when I heard and analyzed that line.

[Magnet]

I would say to be glad that you're offended. It's a comment about culture, and it reminds us that these kinds of repulsive actions are taken by certain guys who take advantage of girls at parties and such. It does happen, but I don't think the lyrics themselves are meant to advocate it or anything.

I would understand (and hope) that people would be offended by the practice described by the line. I just can't really believe that the band was going for a "rape drunk girls" message with their comeback album single. We need to be careful when we examine lyrics, as there's a huge difference between advocating something and simply describing something.

I don't know for sure if this band is advocating or merely illustrating with this line, but I'd be interested in seeing discussions about which it is.

[ECExBLINGZ]

Blitzkreig Bob is about the extermination of the jews.

[obsoleteshock]

I would say to be glad that you're offended. It's a comment about culture, and it reminds us that these kinds of repulsive actions are taken by certain guys who take advantage of girls at parties and such. It does happen, but I don't think the lyrics themselves are meant to advocate it or anything.

I would understand (and hope) that people would be offended by the practice described by the line. I just can't really believe that the band was going for a "rape drunk girls" message with their comeback album single. We need to be careful when we examine lyrics, as there's a huge difference between advocating something and simply describing something.

I agree, and I am willing to admit that I may be taking this line the wrong way. The fact that the chorus of the song is in the first person and refers to (presumably) the band and their friends as the gang-like "Saints of Los Angeles" with a defiant tone ("We don't care what you think; we'll do it anyway") seems to make the scenes described in the verses part of the lifestyle that they are golrifying and defending.

If the song is somehow clearly from the perspective of a character in a concept album or if it didn't seem so blatantly defiant and celebratory from a first-person perspective then this would all be a moot point. As it stands, I'm having a hard time reading it any other way.

Keep in mind that I never said they shouldn't be able to "get away" with writing, performing or even relasing this song through Rock Band. Less censorship is just about always the way to go since everyone takes things differently.

I do, however, find the line to be the most morally repugnant thing I have heard in 20+ years of listening to rock music and as of now I think less of Motley Crue than any other artist I can think of. The best course of action is not to censor them, though, but just not support them commercially.

[JJStyles]

Let's see:

Welcome Home is about a guy wanting to murder his significant other.
Sex Type Thing is about rape.
My Sharona is about relations with underage girls.
The list goes on and on and on.

This all comes with the territory of rock music.

[aray]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygkvjUw5ZEk

Bloodhound Gang

I remember this playing on the Top 40 on all pop radio stations
Every - Night Club played this.

Every kid age 6-18 sang this song when it came on.

Every wowman, girl , old lady shook their grove thing to these lyrics.

Every guy, boy, and old man resorted to Air Humpping when they heard this song.

Actual lyric played on the raidio un eddited.
*put your hands down my pants and i bet youll feel nuts*

LOL :)

Come on the whole song was offensive but people never said anything.

hey, we need this song for Rock Band lol.

[Mex]

Yeah but the Bloodhound Gang song seems to be about mutual sex. While it could be considered in poor taste (I think it's just funny), it doesn't quite hit the level of song lyrics about rape.

Again, I'm pretty sure Motley Crue isn't condoning rape.

And is "My Sharona" really about underage girls? I mean I know there's the line about "the younger touch" but that doesn't necessarily mean underage does it?

[aray]

Yeah but the Bloodhound Gang song seems to be about mutual sex. While it could be considered in poor taste (I think it's just funny), it doesn't quite hit the level of song lyrics about rape.

in the video is shows them dressed up like monkeys and they use poison blow darts to shoot pretty women in the butt to knock them out then they have their way with them....

watch it again..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygkvjUw5ZEk

my point is... if people find they like the tune...to the beat, the fun factor.. they seem to accept any moral issues a song might have.

It's sad but.. true.

[Mex]

Ahh....the video. I was just thinking about the song lyrics. It could be argued that the video doesn't always reflect what's going on in the song. But it doesn't really matter.

They may accept the moral issues of the song but not the moral issues themselves. I like "Sex Type Thing" as a song but it doesn't mean I'm accepting rape in general.

[Rock_Starman]

My interpatation is that the song is actually against that stuff.

Girl's passed out
Naked in the back lounge
Everybody's gonna score
She's all jacked up
She's down on her luck
You want it
You need it
The devil's gonna feed it
Don't you say it's crazy
You don't know a thing
Just wait untill we're going down in flames

Chorus
Solo

Repeatedly saying "Give it up"

[Ragehammer]

I've always laughed at people who are able to get 'offended' by lyrics in songs. The album is based off the book 'The Dirt' (Thus why it's named the same thing). If you read the book alot more of the things make sense. The song isn't saying "OK kids, go rape girls at parties". It's talking about the band's past on the drug infested sunset strip in the 80's.

And seriously... no one's going to have their opinions on morality changed by a line in a song. And if they do, they wernt' much of a thinking human to begin with.

Not to start a flamewar or anything. Just my opinion on the issue.

[Mex]

Now that you mention it Ragehammer, "The Dirt" is a great book, even if you're not a fan of Motley Crue. Did make me feel a bit sad for Mick Mars though, he always seemed to get screwed somehow.

[noobert]

if ur offended by that line u shouldnt be listening to rock and roll

[c0nd0rd4myt]

knowing Motley Crues history of poor judgement and big mistakes, I purely think that this song, as are the others on the album soon to come, is a continuation of their self-destructive, self-indulgent, life.

I do not believe that they are at all saying that rape is condoned. they are purely remarking that it is taking place. Like it or not, I am certain that there are women in night clubs who get drunk, get passed out, and get raped as a consequence.

this is akin (I think, at anyrate) to how Damon Turnier continued to play his character of Alice Cooper, years after he dropped the bottle and became a practicing christian man. he still had to play that same character that he would play as a drunk, or else he would lose fans by the ton.

similarly, i think if Motley Crue did a comeback album, and did anything but this kind of "I know I'm going to hell but I dont care" (which is basically what i take from the chorus) music, it would be near impossible to get their old fans excited.

did rape need to be involved? no.
does having rape in a song mean that you promote it? no.
I think it was Sublime who did that song about Date Rape Drugs. DEFINATLY not in good taste, at all (i dont even like Sublime anyway), but I know that this was made more to get a point across than to advocate it.

one final point. Listen to the song Pleasure Slave by Manowar, than listen to this again. I gurantee, you wont have any problems with Motley Crue.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLGmi21DyLo and no, i dont think these guys are being serious either.

[keicher]

Yeah, he needs to grow up and learn that rape is acceptable...

oh yeah, i forgot thats what the song said. you got me.

[xxpigxx]

To the OP:

Have you heard:

Kim by Eminem
Down With the Sickness by Disturbed (not the radio edit)
Date Rape by Sublime

Amongst many others?

[nikkilee]

Am I mistaken, or do I hear something to the effect of "There's a girl passed out naked on the bed.... everybody's going to score!"?

I hope I'm wrong, but if I'm not that is the flat out most offensive line I've ever heard in a rock song.

WELCOME TO THE WORLD OF ROCK MUSIC!!! You must be wearing pampers or you are some EMO. Guess what? Thats what rock music was back in the day. SEX DRUGS ROCK N ROLL....LONG LIVE ROCK. Crue Are The Best...."F" The Rest!

Rocking The Crue Since 82'

[CCDaDon]

that lyric doesn't bother me... i listen to lots of hip hop and I've heard far worse... and i listen to the mostly clean kind(if you want to call it that)

[Mex]

Just for the record it's "Sex, Drugs and Rock N' Roll"...not "Rape, Drugs and Rock N' Roll".

[killerewok]

Just for the record it's "Sex, Drugs and Rock N' Roll"...not "Rape, Drugs and Rock N' Roll".


Actually, often time it is. Of course, our concept of rape is different then it was in the 70's and 80's. God, have you heard HALF the road stories of bands like Zep,The Who, etc? When everyone is drunk and high, passed out groupies don't stand a chance lol. It's like we have a different perspective now, and we choose to forget the sensibilities of the past. I'm certainly not condoning such actions, but to sit there on your high horse and pretend that this stuff wasn't commonplace in the Rock and Roll lifestyle of the 60's, 70's, and 80's is pure ignorance.

[Mex]

I don't think anyone is saying it wasn't commonplace, at least I haven't seen anyone say that in this thread. Have you?

I'm not even offended by these lyrics but I think it's pretty ignorant to say "Hey that's Rock N' Roll, so if you don't like it don't listen". There's more to Rock than sex with passed out girls.

My point was that the common saying "Sex, Drugs and Rock N' Roll" does not typically refer to anyone being raped. It moreso refers to sex with groupies, which would be mutual.

[CENACHAINGANG54]

I guess my input is if you know anything about Motley Crue, then you know they are truly a Motley Crew!! They have always been a sexually charged band. Come one now two of their members ( Vince and Tommy) has very public full blown porno all the way sex tapes! They have always been about sex and fun, so whatever they say does not shock me.

However I will be the first to say that I do not even here the lyrics when I play I just hear the music. If you are offended by that then what about Bang Camaro's Pleasure Pleasure?? "We don't care just as long as you come tonight" Change the spelling of come.

They call it sex,drugs and rock and roll, and that is what it is. I mean although it is edited you have a 15 year old dropping the F bomb in his song, and I have the unedited verson of the song.

So I think there are worse lyrics than in Saints of Los Angeles, and I am not just saying that because I live in Los Angeles:)

Any way I think the song totally ROCKS!!

[killerewok]

I don't think anyone is saying it wasn't commonplace, at least I haven't seen anyone say that in this thread. Have you?

I'm not even offended by these lyrics but I think it's pretty ignorant to say "Hey that's Rock N' Roll, so if you don't like it don't listen". There's more to Rock than sex with passed out girls.

My point was that the common saying "Sex, Drugs and Rock N' Roll" does not typically refer to anyone being raped. It moreso refers to sex with groupies, which would be mutual.

Sex with passed out groupies? Just as common. Still mutual?

And yes, there is much more to Rock then sex with passed out girls, but there is also much more to the song then this one line. I'd say it's about proportionate, actually.

And my post wasn't necessarily directed at you, I simply used your quote as a launching point.

[Mex]

Sex with passed out groupies? Just as common. Still mutual?

And yes, there is much more to Rock then sex with passed out girls, but there is also much more to the song then this one line. I'd say it's about proportionate, actually.

And my post wasn't necessarily directed at you, I simply used your quote as a launching point.

No worries at all. Not sure what you mean by "Just as common" though. Do you mean to say that sex with a passed out groupie would be just as common as one that was awake?

I'm just thinking if I'm Vince Neil in my heyday I wouldn't be passing up the groupies throwing themselves at me for the one that's passed out in the back room.

[Idle°Hands]

Decent point ppetrovi. I've spent most of my life arguing that the first amendment is incontovertible and people should be allowed to put whatever content they feel necessary into music, film and (most importantly) the news media.

That said, I can still find a line like this completely disgusting and morally depraved since (my interpretation of course) the song is quite blatantly glorifying the lifestyle described and the line is presented as if everybody scoring is the cool thing to do.

Should they have a right to write, perform and sell this song to whoever wants to buy it? Absolutely. Will I ever be able to hear a Motley Crue song again or see one of their album covers without thinking "rapists" in the back of my head? I guess time will tell, but any respect I had for these guys flew out the window when I heard and analyzed that line.


First, where in the song do they say "we're gonna rape this woman. if you ever get the chance to rape a woman you should do it because all the cool kids are doing it"?

They don't. That's like saying that people writing movies, books and music about war and genocide are glorifying these things.

You're taking it out of context because you feel some pathetic need to make an issue out of something that's not a big deal. Go ahead and do so, it just makes you look like a fool.

[cruedog85]

The thing is, I'm not an easily offended person. For example, I watch the South Park Movie and Team America religiously and I don't find songs such as "So What" or "Last Caress" by Metallica (yes I realize they are covers) to be offensive because they are in jest.

However, I think you may have cleared it up. If they have said "There's a girl passed out naked in the back lounge; everybody's going to score!" then they might as well have said "Raping girls is fun!" If you guys are right and it is "There's a girl passed out naked in the back lounge; everbody's looking to score," then the two separate thoughts could possibly be related in describing the crazy atmosphere of the place, but not implying that everyone is looking to score with the passed out girl. There is a huge difference between the two slightly different versions of that line. If it is the first version, then I officially consider this the first time I've ever been offended by the irresponsibility and downright moral repugnancy of a rock song. If it is the second, I will let them slide as two unconnected thoughts that don't necessarily imply cause and effect.

I'm sorry man, but consent is a pretty important thing and pretending that a girl being passed out naked means that the whole room can do whatever they want to her is just downright sick.

Seriously dude, pull the string - offended by a rock song - ok tipper gore

[whofan]

My interpatation is that the song is actually against that stuff.

Girl's passed out
Naked in the back lounge
Everybody's gonna score
She's all jacked up
She's down on her luck
You want it
You need it
The devil's gonna feed it
Don't you say it's crazy
You don't know a thing
Just wait untill we're going down in flames

Chorus
Solo

Repeatedly saying "Give it up"
QFT!

Look, everyone is getting bent out of shape regarding the one line and not looking at it in the context of the song.

The song is not condoning any of this stuff. It is highlighting it for listeners, so they aren't naive about this stuff. Furthermore, in my interpretation of the song anyways, the song is basically saying "this is what life was like, it can't be like that for us anymore", hence the "Give it up" line throughout the song.

Also, to the OP: it seems like you are just trying to justify yourself here. I don't see how you can not be offended by the songs you mentioned as being non-offensive to you (Metallica one comes to mind) and still be offended by this song. They're on the exact same level.

Your justification is that the songs you mentioned as being non-offensive are such a way because "they're not meant to be taken seriously". Are you so sure about that? I mean seriously, how are you qualified to determine what's to be taken seriously? You're not the original artist, are you? The thing is this, you're clearly just saying that they're not to be taken seriously because you REALLY like those songs and you don't want to appear to be a hypocrite in our eyes. What are your thoughts on "My Sharona" (underage sex (and yes, that is exactly what it's about)), "Date Rape", and "Sex Type Thing"? Are these not to be taken seriously too?

[Toxor_Axiom]

I could care less about the lyrics when the music blows. ;)

[skullpit]

I just read this thread and I just have to laugh. THAT line is offensive? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

[Yngvild_Axen]

Those lyrics and the thought process here kind of remind me why I tell my sister to yell 'fire' if she ever gets pulled into a back alley; because people will actually help if they hear 'fire'...

Sad, but true it seems.


The fact that the girl is passed out is the offensive part. It's like they are saying "Hey, there's a girl passed out. I have a fun idea; let's all take turns raping her!"

I have a friend who was drugged and then raped. It shattered her life. The guy who did it was a lawyer, who got off (as it were) with public service and a reprimand. Fortunately, because she was brave enough to take it to trial, a state representative decided to write an initiative to criminalize drug-related rapes. It looks like it has a good chance of becoming a law. It's the attitude that has to be changed.


I would say to be glad that you're offended. It's a comment about culture, and it reminds us that these kinds of repulsive actions are taken by certain guys who take advantage of girls at parties and such. It does happen, but I don't think the lyrics themselves are meant to advocate it or anything.


My interpatation is that the song is actually against that stuff.

It'd be cooler if they were clearer about condemning it. You can still rock without taking advantage of the drugged girl in the back room.


Just for the record it's "Sex, Drugs and Rock N' Roll"...not "Rape, Drugs and Rock N' Roll".

Amen, Mex. Sex rocks, rape does not.


You're taking it out of context because you feel some pathetic need to make an issue out of something that's not a big deal. Go ahead and do so, it just makes you look like a fool.

Actually, Idle, it is a big deal to the person passed out in the back room. We might be taking it out of context, but it's certainly worth discussing. And no one looks a fool when they speak the truth.


The song is not condoning any of this stuff. It is highlighting it for listeners, so they aren't naive about this stuff. Furthermore, in my interpretation of the song anyways, the song is basically saying "this is what life was like, it can't be like that for us anymore", hence the "Give it up" line throughout the song.

I hope that your interpretation is right, whofan. That said, some of us older players probably have more perspective than the teens who probably make a large proportion of the players of Rockband. Talking with them about the issues raised in song lyrics is a good idea, IMHO. So if you've got a younger player at your house, let 'em know that rape isn't right, and it doesn't rock, ever.

[bonethug0108]

QFT!

Look, everyone is getting bent out of shape regarding the one line and not looking at it in the context of the song.

The song is not condoning any of this stuff. It is highlighting it for listeners, so they aren't naive about this stuff. Furthermore, in my interpretation of the song anyways, the song is basically saying "this is what life was like, it can't be like that for us anymore", hence the "Give it up" line throughout the song.

Also, to the OP: it seems like you are just trying to justify yourself here. I don't see how you can not be offended by the songs you mentioned as being non-offensive to you (Metallica one comes to mind) and still be offended by this song. They're on the exact same level.

Your justification is that the songs you mentioned as being non-offensive are such a way because "they're not meant to be taken seriously". Are you so sure about that? I mean seriously, how are you qualified to determine what's to be taken seriously? You're not the original artist, are you? The thing is this, you're clearly just saying that they're not to be taken seriously because you REALLY like those songs and you don't want to appear to be a hypocrite in our eyes. What are your thoughts on "My Sharona" (underage sex (and yes, that is exactly what it's about)), "Date Rape", and "Sex Type Thing"? Are these not to be taken seriously too?
Very good post.

I would like to add that I think a song that jokes about rape is MUCH MUCH MUCH worse than a song that is talking about bad past experiences about rape.

I was also going to quote that post and say that this is the reason you don't take quotes out of context. It destroys the meaning.

And in defense of sex type thing and date rape, those songs were meant to bring about awareness. They used the perspectives they did to shock the listener and grab their attention.

[rabidus6]

I have to agree with OP here. I mean, I heard this song and went out and raped some people. I listened to some Cannibal Corpse and I went and raped someone with a knife. The Acacia Strain came on following this and I proceded to have sexual intercourse with the victim's skull. How dare this music cause me to do these things? HOW DARE IT!?

[bonethug0108]

I hope that your interpretation is right, whofan. That said, some of us older players probably have more perspective than the teens who probably make a large proportion of the players of Rockband. Talking with them about the issues raised in song lyrics is a good idea, IMHO. So if you've got a younger player at your house, let 'em know that rape isn't right, and it doesn't rock, ever.

Any teen that doesn't already know that rape is wrong has a few wires loose to begin with.

Yes I agree that you should talk to them, but if you think that this or any song, video game, movie, book, etc. that talks about rape, murder, drug use, etc. is going to make a person go do those things then you are mistaken. The people who do those things have problems to begin with.

Well adjusted people know the difference between right and wrong and choose to do the right thing.

Edit:
And I see that the above poster agrees with me, albeit in a very sarcastic way.

[whofan]

I hope that your interpretation is right, whofan. That said, some of us older players probably have more perspective than the teens who probably make a large proportion of the players of Rockband. Talking with them about the issues raised in song lyrics is a good idea, IMHO. So if you've got a younger player at your house, let 'em know that rape isn't right, and it doesn't rock, ever.

That is EXACTLY what needs to be done and far too few people take the time to do it anymore. When something goes wrong, it's the artist who takes the fall and not the parents who fail to educate their kids/teens about issues raised in songs (oftentimes Teens misinterpret songs to fit their own agendas and place blame on the artists for singing about this stuff in the first place. News flash: MANY (not all) artists are addressing real social issues (such as the rock 'n' roll lifestyle in "Saints Of Los Angeles") that need to be addressed and are stating things that need to be said. It's misinterpretations that lead to issues like the what the OP is stating (I'm still trying to wrap my mind around how he can accept that Metallica song with it's offensive lyrics, but condemn Motley Crue for their one line).

Bonethug, I wasn't condemning "Sex Type Thing", as I am aware of the meaning behind the song, but trying to use it as an example. It's one of those songs that misinformed people rise up against as being pro-rape. I think it has a very powerful messsage that everyone should hear. Alas, those who just look at things at face value often miss the real gems.

[Idle°Hands]

Actually, Idle, it is a big deal to the person passed out in the back room. We might be taking it out of context, but it's certainly worth discussing. And no one looks a fool when they speak the truth.

song lyrics =/= rape. he/she is making a big deal about song lyrics in an attempt to say "look how morally superior I am!".

[bonethug0108]

Bonethug, I wasn't condemning "Sex Type Thing", as I am aware of the meaning behind the song, but trying to use it as an example. It's one of those songs that misinformed people rise up against as being pro-rape. I think it has a very powerful messsage that everyone should hear. Alas, those who just look at things at face value often miss the real gems.

Once again great post.

And I know you weren't condemning sex type thing. I used it as an example earlier myself. I was just making sure everyone knew what it was about.;)

And the reason I used it as an example was to prove that there are both FAR worse lyrics than in SOLA and that taking lines out of context or misunderstanding where the song is coming from should be something you should be careful of. Try to get the facts if you are concerned about the song and want to put it on trial in public. Speaking out against something when you don't understand it isn't a smart thing to do.

[jjlee138]

I have to agree with OP here. I mean, I heard this song and went out and raped some people. I listened to some Cannibal Corpse and I went and raped someone with a knife.

I did the same, just couldn't help myself...

I can't believe this even made a thread! Completely moronic. Anyone looking to Rock and Roll for inspirational lyrics is in for a big big surprise. There are plenty of books written by mental giants. Read those for your life lessons. Why everyone is soooo amazingly caught up in musical lyrics is beyond me. 98% of all bands are composed of morons that couldn't even hold a steady job if it wasn't for the fact that they are so musically talented.

A vocalists vocals (ESPECIALLY/mainly) in the Rock and Roll genre should be treated as an instrument. Nothing less nothing more. Do the tones complement the music? If so, he/she has completed their job and I'm happy. Now am I trying to glean some life lesson from this crackhead? Not hardly. I can only speculate at the intelligence of someone that attempts to do so...

[neo031162]

I applaud harmonix for giving censorship a big "**** you!" wherever possible.

Except for the word filter on the forums...

Sex, drugs, and rock & roll baby.

[HxC_Dad]

If subject matter like this is deemed offensive and censorship is bandied about, how long until other works of fiction - which is what probably 95% of songs are - like novels, movies and TV shows are dragged into this?

What about the Bible? Lots of rape and murder, incest and such in there, isn't there? No one seems to find that offensive, though. Odd, that.

My point here is that we're talking fiction here - I'll exclude the Bible for the sake of not being immediately flamed beyond recognition - whether it's a song or a book or movie, these are works of fiction. Getting bent out of shape over things that aren't real, seems a little extreme to me. I mean, put things in perspective here - does Vince Neil singing about a fictional drunk, unconscious woman potentially getting raped(there doesn't seem to be an actual account of it happening) really seem like a big deal when more important things are going on in the 'real' world?

The last thing I want to say is this; does this REALLY offend you? Do people entirely 'get' what being offended means anymore? It's become such an overused buzzword over the last five or ten years, that I think people just use it whenever they don't agree with something. Disagreeing and being offended are vastly different things. Either way, if you don't like it, then don't play it, don't buy the album, don't go to see them live, etc. People are so quick to complain and boycott things they don't like; this country has become hyper-sensitive, and it's ridiculous.

[Yngvild_Axen]

Any teen that doesn't already know that rape is wrong has a few wires loose to begin with.
...
Well adjusted people know the difference between right and wrong and choose to do the right thing.

Exactly my point, bone. Teens aren't fully wired yet. The patterns in the decision-making centers of their brains are still being set. That's why it's up to "well-adjusted people" to talk to them, and demonstrate with our actions and words the difference between right and wrong.


song lyrics =/= rape. he/she is making a big deal about song lyrics in an attempt to say "look how morally superior I am!".

Now you're reading between the lines, Idle. That's just like saying you know the intent of the lyricist who wrote the Crue lines to begin with. We don't know that intent, so we're discussing it to clarify. Bottom line, the decision to rape is morally wrong, IMO. I don't care if that opinion pisses people off, it isn't about me. It's about rape awareness.


I can't believe this even made a thread! Completely moronic. Anyone looking to Rock and Roll for inspirational lyrics is in for a big big surprise.

Jj, I totally agree that it's silly to look for moral direction in some rock lyrics. What I disagree with is the need for a thread like this. I'm not going to judge the song. It's the attitude, and the perpetuation of the attitude that I'm against. By talking about it in the Rockband community, we're raising awareness of the attitude. Rape is always wrong.

[jjlee138]

Jj, I totally agree that it's silly to look for moral direction in some rock lyrics. What I disagree with is the need for a thread like this. I'm not going to judge the song. It's the attitude, and the perpetuation of the attitude that I'm against. By talking about it in the Rockband community, we're raising awareness of the attitude. Rape is always wrong.

Ah... Ok... I guess I was completely oblivious to the pro-rape movement that was springing up behind me. In light of that, great thread!....

[bonethug0108]

Exactly my point, bone. Teens aren't fully wired yet. The patterns in the decision-making centers of their brains are still being set. That's why it's up to "well-adjusted people" to talk to them, and demonstrate with our actions and words the difference between right and wrong.



Now you're reading between the lines, Idle. That's just like saying you know the intent of the lyricist who wrote the Crue lines to begin with. We don't know that intent, so we're discussing it to clarify. Bottom line, the decision to rape is morally wrong, IMO. I don't care if that opinion pisses people off, it isn't about me. It's about rape awareness.



Jj, I totally agree that it's silly to look for moral direction in some rock lyrics. What I disagree with is the need for a thread like this. I'm not going to judge the song. It's the attitude, and the perpetuation of the attitude that I'm against. By talking about it in the Rockband community, we're raising awareness of the attitude. Rape is always wrong.

I agree with your points.

I also agree mostly with teens right/wrong sense not being fully developed. But teens(unless they have no clue what rape is or aren't mentally stable) know what rape is and know that it's wrong.

I think it comes down to most fairly well adjusted teens will make the wrong decision more times than a fairly well adjusted adult would. They know it is wrong and do it any way.

I do definitely agree that issues should be talked about, but even if it is talked about teens are smart enough to know what is right and wrong to begin with. The point you have to get across in talking with a teen is all the reasons why it is wrong and the consequences that can come about if they choose to do it.

I guess we are saying the same things, just in a slightly different way.

[allstar17]

A7X - A Little Piece of Heaven

[nsaucdiv151]

I think it was Sublime who did that song about Date Rape Drugs. DEFINATLY not in good taste, at all (i dont even like Sublime anyway), but I know that this was made more to get a point across than to advocate it.

It should be noted that at the end of that song the date rapist goes to prison and becomes someone's *****.

[nsaucdiv151]

A7X - A Little Piece of Heaven

The Rev is one twisted SOB, no doubt. The video for that song disturbs me. They played it when I saw them just under a week ago at Taste of Chaos, and some of the people in the crowd were like WTF?

[Yngvild_Axen]

The music industry makes a lot of money. If the intent of song lyrics like those in Saints of LA is to draw attention to the issue of rape, it'd be nice to see some of that cash go towards women's support centers, counselors and other programs that raise rape-prevention awareness. I'm just sayin'.

[Sairynn]

The music industry makes a lot of money. If the intent of song lyrics like those in Saints of LA is to draw attention to the issue of rape, it'd be nice to see some of that cash go towards women's support centers, counselors and other programs that raise rape-prevention awareness. I'm just sayin'.

I'm pretty sure that's not the intent of the song, so that might explain why Motley Crue didn't donate anything. Not everything needs to be a PSA.

In my mind, the lines we're all discussing are simply a depiction of the scene. There's a passed out, naked girl in the lounge (must have happened at least once at one of the Crue's after-parties) and that the men at the party are looking to score (should be obvious). Are they planning to rape the drunk girl? Hopefully not, but then again the men are probably high and/or drunk themselves so their judgment would surely be out of whack. And hey, if the Motley Crue really are the Saints of LA, what must everyone else be doing? :eek:

There is also another point that must be made: if the girl doesn't want to be raped, why did she put herself in that situation? I know that question is insensitive and probably offensive as well, but to say she wouldn't be partially to blame would be wrong. Rape is a despicable act, and I don't know of anyone who would even consider doing it, but the woman in the song also acted irresponsibly by putting herself into such a vulnerable state. And of course, we don't know if it even happened, only that it might have.

Lastly, the title of the song is clearly sarcastic; obviously, the Crue were not "saints" by any definition, and they knew it. When they wrote the song, they were fully aware that the things they were doing were likely to be seen as morally reprehensible. They just didn't care. They weren't out to be rapists, but if something happened in the drug-induced craziness of the partying they probably weren't too worried about it (however awful that may be). I bet that there's plenty of things they look back on now and wish they hadn't done.

Anyway, we are all totally reading WAY too far into this. If the song offends you, just ignore it. Problem solved.

[obnoxious_xb]

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[cromartie90000]

Just so you know... It's just a song, there is no girl naked in their back lounge about to be raped.

[obsoleteshock]

I'm pretty sure that's not the intent of the song, so that might explain why Motley Crue didn't donate anything. Not everything needs to be a PSA.

In my mind, the lines we're all discussing are simply a depiction of the scene. There's a passed out, naked girl in the lounge (must have happened at least once at one of the Crue's after-parties) and that the men at the party are looking to score (should be obvious). Are they planning to rape the drunk girl? Hopefully not, but then again the men are probably high and/or drunk themselves so their judgment would surely be out of whack. And hey, if the Motley Crue really are the Saints of LA, what must everyone else be doing? :eek:

There is also another point that must be made: if the girl doesn't want to be raped, why did she put herself in that situation? I know that question is insensitive and probably offensive as well, but to say she wouldn't be partially to blame would be wrong. Rape is a despicable act, and I don't know of anyone who would even consider doing it, but the woman in the song also acted irresponsibly by putting herself into such a vulnerable state. And of course, we don't know if it even happened, only that it might have.
Lastly, the title of the song is clearly sarcastic; obviously, the Crue were not "saints" by any definition, and they knew it. When they wrote the song, they were fully aware that the things they were doing were likely to be seen as morally reprehensible. They just didn't care. They weren't out to be rapists, but if something happened in the drug-induced craziness of the partying they probably weren't too worried about it (however awful that may be). I bet that there's plenty of things they look back on now and wish they hadn't done.

Anyway, we are all totally reading WAY too far into this. If the song offends you, just ignore it. Problem solved.

This is exactly the sort of attitude in the song that offends me. I think referencing the excellent anti-rape song Sex Type Thing could shine some light. Weiland sings "You shouldn't have worn that dress," which I think pretty clearly illustrates the rapist's (and society's) tendancy to blame the rape victim for "doing it to herself."

Sure the girl probably excercised bad judgement by passing out naked backstage at a Crue performance. That said, she could have been naked for one person or been disrobed after she passed out. Someone could have slipped her something. Even if she did excercise terrible judgement, how in the hell does that justify gang rape?

That's like saying that it is okay to mug and shoot a person in the back of the head if they happen to be walking alone in a bad neighborhood after dark. Pretty absurd, yet people use this logic about rape all of the time.

That, to me, seems to be the attitude of the song given that it is in the first person and they spend the entire chorus singing that they don't care what anyone says about their lifestyle, they'll do it anyway. "Everyone's gonna score" is such a celebratory line. I just see it as a big stretch to read it any other way.

[gymrat19]

This is what real rock lyrics are ladies. If you thought it was about rainbows, sunshine, and whining like a little girl than you are mistaken.

[Yngvild_Axen]

Anyway, we are all totally reading WAY too far into this. If the song offends you, just ignore it. Problem solved.

The problem is with the attitudes that lead to those kinds of lyrics, and the perpetuation of those attitudes. By speaking out, I'm just looking to provide some perspective for people who might not otherwise consider it questionable to take advantage of a woman who was passed out.


Just so you know... It's just a song, there is no girl naked in their back lounge about to be raped.

Yeah, cromartie, I know. But that kind of thing happens in real life. (As I mentioned earlier in the thread it happened to a friend of mine, but she was drugged by the perp himself.)


This is what real rock lyrics are ladies. If you thought it was about rainbows, sunshine, and whining like a little girl than you are mistaken.

FYI, gymrat: some of my favorite bands include Tool and Metallica, among others that don't sing about either rainbows or sunshine (and they have some lyrics that make me cringe too), but I'd still post the same thing if it was a fave band or song. The issue is the attitude. I'm just hopin' to raise awareness that the body passed out on the bed is a fellow human being.

[nsaucdiv151]

There is also another point that must be made: if the girl doesn't want to be raped, why did she put herself in that situation?

Oh, for f***'s sake, did you really just go there? Now we just have to wait for someone to ask what she was wearing. Before she got naked and passed out, of course.

[HxC_Dad]

If subject matter like this is deemed offensive and censorship is bandied about, how long until other works of fiction - which is what probably 95% of songs are - like novels, movies and TV shows are dragged into this?

What about the Bible? Lots of rape and murder, incest and such in there, isn't there? No one seems to find that offensive, though. Odd, that.

My point here is that we're talking fiction here - I'll exclude the Bible for the sake of not being immediately flamed beyond recognition - whether it's a song or a book or movie, these are works of fiction. Getting bent out of shape over things that aren't real, seems a little extreme to me. I mean, put things in perspective here - does Vince Neil singing about a fictional drunk, unconscious woman potentially getting raped(there doesn't seem to be an actual account of it happening) really seem like a big deal when more important things are going on in the 'real' world?

The last thing I want to say is this; does this REALLY offend you? Do people entirely 'get' what being offended means anymore? It's become such an overused buzzword over the last five or ten years, that I think people just use it whenever they don't agree with something. Disagreeing and being offended are vastly different things. Either way, if you don't like it, then don't play it, don't buy the album, don't go to see them live, etc. People are so quick to complain and boycott things they don't like; this country has become hyper-sensitive, and it's ridiculous.

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[SuperGM007]

if your offended dont play it or remove it from your list.

[Sairynn]

This is exactly the sort of attitude in the song that offends me. I think referencing the excellent anti-rape song Sex Type Thing could shine some light. Weiland sings "You shouldn't have worn that dress," which I think pretty clearly illustrates the rapist's (and society's) tendancy to blame the rape victim for "doing it to herself."

Sure the girl probably excercised bad judgement by passing out naked backstage at a Crue performance. That said, she could have been naked for one person or been disrobed after she passed out. Someone could have slipped her something. Even if she did excercise terrible judgement, how in the hell does that justify gang rape?

That's like saying that it is okay to mug and shoot a person in the back of the head if they happen to be walking alone in a bad neighborhood after dark. Pretty absurd, yet people use this logic about rape all of the time.

That, to me, seems to be the attitude of the song given that it is in the first person and they spend the entire chorus singing that they don't care what anyone says about their lifestyle, they'll do it anyway. "Everyone's gonna score" is such a celebratory line. I just see it as a big stretch to read it any other way.
Ugh, I hate internet fights.

You know, I debated with myself for a while about whether or not to add that section to my post, and I'm not so sure that I'm glad I did. However, your response proves exactly what I feared: reading comprehension is a lost art. People are so afraid of guilt by association that they immediately attack controversial opinions like what I posted. They jump on their high horses and, in an attempt to distance themselves and demonize the dissenter, demand to know why I'm "justifying" the act or "blaming" the victim. I'm not trying do either of those things, nor do I want to. I don't need to be told that rape is awful; it's been said at least a thousand times in this comment thread alone. There is nothing in this world - no sum of money, no amount of power or fame - that I would accept in exchange for raping someone. Therefore, I ask that you stop being the morality police and start thinking about what I actually said.

To blame the victim for the crime is irresponsible, but to say it was not preventable is ignorant. Is that clear enough?

The point I was trying to get across is this: getting worked up over these lyrics is useless. They make it explicitly clear in the song that the behaviors they are describing are all kinds of unholy and vile ("everybody sins, welcome to the scene of the crime" ... "the devil is a friend of mine"). The song may not be anti-rape, but I don't think it should be classified as pro-rape either. If anyone seriously looks to Motley Crue for examples of proper social behavior, they need to be locked up anyway.

[Terroreyes]

Wow...a topic that finally gets me to sign up to this board. Get over yourselves. IT"S A F****** SONG!!! These are the same people who complain about radio shows and got Don Imus fired. And you have absolutely no clue as to what was going through their minds when they wrote this song. You just jump to conclusions. The fact that this discussion is even happening is what I find disgusting

[davidshek]

Ok I admit I only read the first 3 pages of this thread, so I apologize if somebody already posted this...

So to the OP, you're offended by a line that probably wasn't even intended to mean what you're making it out to mean, but you're not offended by this one?


Never gonna stop, give it up, such a dirty mind.
I always get it up for the touch of the younger kind.

My Sharona is a song about a guy who gets turned on by underage girls, and you're worried about Saints of LA? :rolleyes:

[R4di4ti0n]

Are you kidding. That line alone is making me STRONGLY consider buying the song....i cant wait to see my g/f's face when she reads that for the first time....haha!!

[jjlee138]

My Sharona is a song about a guy who gets turned on by underage girls, and you're worried about Saints of LA? :rolleyes:

And don't forget that the OP has no problem with Cannibal Corpse. So

Torture/Pedophilia = ok
Groupies = bad


You people kill me lol

[GreenGrassAndy]

I think everyone is missing what is so offensive about it.

I would not consider this line offensive:

"A girl is sprawled out naked in the back lounge; everbody's going to score."

The fact that the girl is passed out is the offensive part. It's like they are saying "Hey, there's a girl passed out. I have a fun idea; let's all take turns raping her!"

I'm trying to think of some of the rock/metal/various sub-genre bands that have been considered controversial over the past 30 years or so... Sex Pistols, Marilyn Manson, Cannibal Corpse, W.A.S.P, GWAR, Slipknot, Cradle of Filth, Type O Negative, Morbid Angel, Deicide, Slayer, etc. I've heard most of this stuff, like some of it and consider some of it juevenile, but none of what I can recall matches the offensiveness of this line (maybe Cannibal Corpse, but that's not exactly meant to be taken seriously).

Real 40(or 50?)-somethings reminicing about the good old days of raping girls on the sunset strip in the 80's is easily more offensive than all of the profanity, vulgarity, violence or religious blaspemy of the aforementioned bands combined. Maybe I'm the only one who sees it that way.


LOL, you mentioned GWAR and then said you were more offended by this line than anything that GWAR has said? Give me a break.

Go look up the lyrics for Rock and Roll Never Felt So Good. Or BDF. Or Baby R*per. Those are just three songs that I listed off of the top of my head. How about "Have you seen me?" LOL. Give it up.

[HeavensDemise]

This is probably the most boring thread I have ever bothered to read through. To the OP get over it.

[metallica0688]

I was never looking at it in Terms of them saying that hey a girls passed out go and Rape her . But listening to the Whole song and hearing what they seemed to be sending .

I take it as an Observation from seeing a Girl passed out in the back lounge and that whatever it is you want there is a Devil that will feed your desire hence Everyones going to score line . IMO

[GodsChef]

I think the problem here is that many of you have misunderstood the lyrics, you have the words right, but not the meaning.

They are saying that girls are being passed out in the back lounge, as in how you'd throw a buddy a cold one at a ball game, while they are naked and consenting.

So, the crew is, as always, guilty of objectifying women; but not encouraging their semi-conscious rape.

[Yngvild_Axen]

How dare you address me without ritually disemboweling yourself first? -- GWAR
:D

There are a million examples out there of "offensive" lyrics. For my part, I was more talking about rape awareness. So, I've said my piece. Most of you guys seem pretty aware of the issue, and seem to have a healthy attitude about how despicable the idea of taking advantage of someone who's passed out is.

Hopefully more people will think about the victims of rape, and speak out when they hear it glorified or bragged about. Social pressure brings change. So, bring it on!

[freddie996]

Did you know sex type thing by Stone Temple Pilots is about rape! Yeah what do you think he is talking about when he says I know you hate whats on my mind I know it eats you up in side!!! Its just music, doesn't make me want to go out and rape someone, so get over it!! Crue has always been controversial, that is the thing I love about them, they just don't care!!! Nikki Sixx is a GOD!!!! Well there are other examples in the game, email me and I will let you know!!! Just enjoy the game and the music!! Hey big props to Harmonix for having the balls to put Motley Crue in the game!!! You guys are the best!!! Freddie996

[Vedderman]

The Crue have stated that the album follows the book "The Dirt" about their ups and downs.

I can see where people could be upset but keep in mind it's only a song.

Also, the line in question can also imply the rampant drug use the Crue were involved in during these times...

Redline, trippin on a landmine, sippin at the Troubador
girls past out, naked in the back lounge, everybody's gonna score
she's all jacked up, she's down on her luck, ya want it, ya need it
the Devil's gonna feed it

Redline trippin....gonna score.....down on her luck...want it... need it....Devil's gonna feed it.

Could easily be talking about their drug addictions.

Also, let's face it, the 80's L.A. rock scene was incredibly sleazy and decadent. Drug use and casual sex were pretty much the norm. Look at most of the videos from the era....lots of girls wanting and willing to do anything to get closer to the proverbial "Rock Star".

[GreenGrassAndy]

The Crue have stated that the album follows the book "The Dirt" about their ups and downs.

I can see where people could be upset but keep in mind it's only a song.

Also, the line in question can also imply the rampant drug use the Crue were involved in during these times...

Redline, trippin on a landmine, sippin at the Troubador
girls past out, naked in the back lounge, everybody's gonna score
she's all jacked up, she's down on her luck, ya want it, ya need it
the Devil's gonna feed it

Redline trippin....gonna score.....down on her luck...want it... need it....Devil's gonna feed it.

Could easily be talking about their drug addictions.

Also, let's face it, the 80's L.A. rock scene was incredibly sleazy and decadent. Drug use and casual sex were pretty much the norm. Look at most of the videos from the era....lots of girls wanting and willing to do anything to get closer to the proverbial "Rock Star".

Ah, I think that this is a pretty good assessment of the actual meaning. Everyone's gonna score could be score drugs so they can be as messed up as that woman. But who knows? Could be a double meaning. Who cares, anyway, it's a damn song.

[GreenGrassAndy]

:D

There are a million examples out there of "offensive" lyrics. For my part, I was more talking about rape awareness. So, I've said my piece. Most of you guys seem pretty aware of the issue, and seem to have a healthy attitude about how despicable the idea of taking advantage of someone who's passed out is.

Hopefully more people will think about the victims of rape, and speak out when they hear it glorified or bragged about. Social pressure brings change. So, bring it on!

LOL, your GWAR qoute was the tamest one I've ever seen!

How about, "I met her at the donkey show, she was minutes past 13. Sucking on a cherry yoohoo reading Nugget(tm) magazine!"

That is the tamest line from Rock And Roll Never Felt So Good, lol :-) Couldn't write anything too wretched, I'm at work!

[Yngvild_Axen]

LOL, your GWAR qoute was the tamest one I've ever seen!

I've always loved that line! :D

[ASPSAX]

Did you know sex type thing by Stone Temple Pilots is about rape! Yeah what do you think he is talking about when he says I know you hate whats on my mind I know it eats you up in side!!! Its just music, doesn't make me want to go out and rape someone, so get over it!! Crue has always been controversial, that is the thing I love about them, they just don't care!!! Nikki Sixx is a GOD!!!! Well there are other examples in the game, email me and I will let you know!!! Just enjoy the game and the music!! Hey big props to Harmonix for having the balls to put Motley Crue in the game!!! You guys are the best!!! Freddie996

This, folks, is why we have people jumping out of their seats whenever sex is mentioned anywhere. Sex Type Thing is about a rapist from the rapist's point of view, but STP isn't advocating rape, they're showing how twisted and disgusting it is.

[Xerosnake90]

Good' ol Motley Crue, hell yea

[NattyLight]

The line doesn't necessarily mean that they are going to rape the girl. It could just be that there are girls passed out AND everybody is going to have sex. They don't have to have sex with the girl.

Even if they were blatantly talking about raping the girl, it's just a song and doesn't mean that they endorse rape. If you're offended, that's you're prerogative, but they are just lyrics. Besides, they're the Crue. It doesn't matter what you think, they're gonna do it anyway.

[LesPaul5391]

the fact that they wrote those lyrics makes me dislike Motley Crue even more.

[kingotnw]

It makes me all smiley and happy that people are analyzing CURRENT Motley Crue lyrics. I love what this game could do for music if they can get it running right.

[NattyLight]

It makes me all smiley and happy that people are analyzing CURRENT Motley Crue lyrics. I love what this game could do for music if they can get it running right.

It's not running right already?

[STLnCHI]

The thing is, I'm not an easily offended person. For example, I watch the South Park Movie and Team America religiously and I don't find songs such as "So What" or "Last Caress" by Metallica (yes I realize they are covers) to be offensive because they are in jest.

However, I think you may have cleared it up. If they have said "There's a girl passed out naked in the back lounge; everybody's going to score!" then they might as well have said "Raping girls is fun!" If you guys are right and it is "There's a girl passed out naked in the back lounge; everbody's looking to score," then the two separate thoughts could possibly be related in describing the crazy atmosphere of the place, but not implying that everyone is looking to score with the passed out girl. There is a huge difference between the two slightly different versions of that line. If it is the first version, then I officially consider this the first time I've ever been offended by the irresponsibility and downright moral repugnancy of a rock song. If it is the second, I will let them slide as two unconnected thoughts that don't necessarily imply cause and effect.

I'm sorry man, but consent is a pretty important thing and pretending that a girl being passed out naked means that the whole room can do whatever they want to her is just downright sick.

have u sung the lyrics to gimme shelter......i was surprised by what they were....either way im not offended....just surprised.....dont have a cow man....its a song.....if u dont like it...turn down the vocal volume

[Mex]

I like how people are saying "Hey if you don't like songs about rape then you shouldn't listen to rock n' roll. Go listen to songs about rainbows".....as if every rock song is about rape and everything else is about rainbows. Worst argument in the whole thread.

Also would like to point out that not one person who is questioning the lyrics has said they feel Motley Crue is condoning or promoting rape.

This is actually a fairly worthwhile discussion. Or...we could go back to complaining about "Still Alive" and the Wii version not using Wiimotes!

....or Christian Rock

[WhiffleBallTony]

I hope I'm wrong, but if I'm not that is the flat out most offensive line I've ever heard in a rock song.

You seriously need to listen to some music that isn't mainstream.

Honestly, ever some mainstream songs are waaaaay worse. Just listen to "Closer" by Nine Inch Nails and you'll know what I mean.

[Xerosnake90]

the fact that they wrote those lyrics makes me dislike Motley Crue even more.

Motley crues lyrics have been about sex and drugs ever since they started writing. Just like a handfull of other rock bands from back then. If you can't like Motley crue and those types of lyrics, you're no rocker!

[LethalParadox28]

maybe the girl is just a whore/prostitute?

[notoriousgop89]

I don't think this song is advocating rape at all or anything like that. I think its describing the hedonistic scene of LA and the 80s, and that the title "Saints" is a sarcastic term, because the song features lines like "we signed our life away". If the CD is based on their book, which as I understand is an autobiographical work about their crazy days, then it would make sense that the song is a look at the times and how they were full of debauchery, but how that is not acceptable now, "wait until we're going down in flames"

Just my take on things.

[Mex]

Motley crues lyrics have been about sex and drugs ever since they started writing. Just like a handfull of other rock bands from back then. If you can't like Motley crue and those types of lyrics, you're no rocker!

Ummm...ok look. I love the Crue. They have not been writing lyrics about rape all this time. Yes about sex, yes about girls. But that's not rape.

Anyway, as stated previously, I don't think they were condoning or promoting it, just a commentary on what they've seen and experienced.

But enought with the "you're not a rocker!" crap. Rocking out, Rock N' Roll, being a "Rocker" has never been about raping chicks.

[obsoleteshock]

Ummm...ok look. I love the Crue. They have not been writing lyrics about rape all this time. Yes about sex, yes about girls. But that's not rape.

Anyway, as stated previously, I don't think they were condoning or promoting it, just a commentary on what they've seen and experienced.

But enought with the "you're not a rocker!" crap. Rocking out, Rock N' Roll, being a "Rocker" has never been about raping chicks.

I'm so glad there are people like you replying to this; you really seem to get it. I'm actually really surprised and saddened by how many people on this board seem to be unable to tell the difference between "offensive" lyrics that are charged with sexuality or obscenity-laden lines vs. lyrics about rape that could potentially advocate a very "that's just what happens when things get crazy" attitude about rape (gang rape nonetheless).

Gimme Shelter, Sex Type Thing and Date Rape all criticize rape and are outraged about it. This Crue song seems to gorify it. Shold they be banned? No. Should the line be censored? No. Should it be taken out of Rock Band? Of course not. Are my suspicions that Motley Crue are depraved, despecable cretins with no respect for women true? I would certianly bet they are. Do I wonder if one or more of these guys "justifiably" raped a passed out/unconscious woman at one point in their crazier days? Absolutely. Would I advocate a sentence of castration if they had? Yes.

[Setsu102]

The thing is, I'm not an easily offended person. For example, I watch the South Park Movie and Team America religiously and I don't find songs such as "So What" or "Last Caress" by Metallica (yes I realize they are covers) to be offensive because they are in jest.

However, I think you may have cleared it up. If they have said "There's a girl passed out naked in the back lounge; everybody's going to score!" then they might as well have said "Raping girls is fun!" If you guys are right and it is "There's a girl passed out naked in the back lounge; everbody's looking to score," then the two separate thoughts could possibly be related in describing the crazy atmosphere of the place, but not implying that everyone is looking to score with the passed out girl. There is a huge difference between the two slightly different versions of that line. If it is the first version, then I officially consider this the first time I've ever been offended by the irresponsibility and downright moral repugnancy of a rock song. If it is the second, I will let them slide as two unconnected thoughts that don't necessarily imply cause and effect.

I'm sorry man, but consent is a pretty important thing and pretending that a girl being passed out naked means that the whole room can do whatever they want to her is just downright sick.

Welcome to the real world of rock and roll.

[CaptainFeral]

Am I mistaken, or do I hear something to the effect of "There's a girl passed out naked on the bed.... everybody's going to score!"?

I hope I'm wrong, but if I'm not that is the flat out most offensive line I've ever heard in a rock song.


I see you're new to rock music... See, it all started out when people discovered that if you made a sitar bigger, it didn't sound as ukelele-ish.

[vApathyv]

My personal thoughts on the lyric, coming from a guy who considers the Crue to be the only hair metal band I ever liked (And the term 'hair metal' is applied to them very loosely), is something like this...my opinion, at least, is that it's a satirical look back on what used to be "the norm". Especially if Nikki Sixx is the one who wrote it, considering his history of doing things like that...let's not forget, he's the same guy who wrote the surprisingly upbeat song Kickstart My Heart about the time he 'died' after a heroin overdose. I'm not arguing for or against anyone, I just figured I'd throw out my particular view on it. And for the record, it doesn't offend me at all.

Again, not trying to argue or talk down anyone's particular opinion, just thought I'd throw in my own.

[Soja]

It's pretty clear when you look at the whole song that this is a typical 80's Los Angeles party scene the Crüe describe in SOLA. I think the intent of the song is to show the irony of these things happening in a city named "Los Angeles," which means, "The Angels."

And it's pretty clear from the lyrics that bad things came and were coming to the people who were partying too hard, especially if they didn't "give up" that kind of a lifestyle.

It never explicitly states that anything is done to this girl in the song, either. It insinuates and implies it, yes, but it's ambiguous enough so that people's minds can wander to one conclusion or another.

The scene is pretty reprehensible, but that stuff goes on even nowadays. Rock stars' partying hasn't changed much, especially in Los Angeles. They describe one of these scenes in a song, and you're mad about that?

I think this has been blown way out of proportion. Enjoy the music, and draw whatever conclusion you want from the lyrics. But this is not justifying rape by any measure of the word.

[polishdog90]

I'm so glad there are people like you replying to this; you really seem to get it. I'm actually really surprised and saddened by how many people on this board seem to be unable to tell the difference between "offensive" lyrics that are charged with sexuality or obscenity-laden lines vs. lyrics about rape that could potentially advocate a very "that's just what happens when things get crazy" attitude about rape (gang rape nonetheless).

Gimme Shelter, Sex Type Thing and Date Rape all criticize rape and are outraged about it. This Crue song seems to gorify it. Shold they be banned? No. Should the line be censored? No. Should it be taken out of Rock Band? Of course not. Are my suspicions that Motley Crue are depraved, despecable cretins with no respect for women true? I would certianly bet they are. Do I wonder if one or more of these guys "justifiably" raped a passed out/unconscious woman at one point in their crazier days? Absolutely. Would I advocate a sentence of castration if they had? Yes.


how do the crue glorify it? just read all of the lyrics:


"Red line, tripping on land mines
Sippin at the Troubadour
Girls passed out, naked in the back now
Everybody's goin to score

She's all jacked up, down on her luck
You wan't it, you need it the devil's gonna feed it
Don't cha say it's crazy, you don't know a thing
Just wait untill we're going down in flames"


They are basically saying rape is an act of the devil and your going to go to hell if you do it. I wouldn't consider that glorifying it. Motley Crue is just telling a tale of **** that went down when they were in their prime. This stuff happens in real life and if you are offended by it, then sorry, but you are offended by real life.

[_Tronix_]

As far as looking to score...they could be scoring drugs? Maybe you should be ashamed your mind took you another route...

[Sarge51]

I was surprised they put that in the song. Thanks HMX for not editing the Crue. :D