God I Hate Parents

[Xzyliac]

I apologize if anyone is offended by this but it rings true. I just generally h-a-t-e parents.

The majority of parents are ignorant dictators who couldn't care less the world their kids live in. Not the physical world but the world in their eyes.

Case in point. (http://www.gametab.com/news/1038841/) I mean alot of parents were kids when this released the first time and is their generation a bunch of savages? Not according to them. Do these people even know how to fire a gun? Not so simple.

[LZ_Reborn]

It's probably some radical religious parents group trying to censor everything and everyone!! Most of us parents are cool and conscious about the things our kids play with. I would keep my son away from any type of real weapon of course!! he's only four after all.

[Eman311]

"Parents" as a general population probably see little harm in the product.

It is probably some radical mothers group against violent games who feel they can be heard by protesting it. Don't worry about it though, just harmless criticism to what will be a huge product for the wii.

[Xzyliac]

Well props to you but I have seen parents of all kinds just flip out. Especially in the unfamiliar but never seem to even attempt to understand.

[TheRocker]

..Parents these days... didn't they played with the original zapper (Duck Hunt!)

[gh2masterwellalmost]

I don't think you can generalise parents as this. My parents, though some rules are annoying (e.g. some GTA + Manhunt restrictions for me), are faily libertarian on me but generally good with me. I'm their sink for money, and I get a lot of stuff, so I can't complain :p

Right-wing + religious. Two bad things - put together creates hell...

[Xzyliac]

"Parents" as a general population probably see little harm in the product.

It is probably some radical mothers group against violent games who feel they can be heard by protesting it. Don't worry about it though, just harmless criticism to what will be a huge product for the wii.

You know it's just the general aura of ignorance. You don't need to be a parent to be ignorant but as a parent you should at least try.

[Eman311]

Parents will always protect their kids from anything they deem potentially harmful, and a gun shaped toy for many parents will fit that criteria.

The younger gamers just need to educate their parents on exactly what it is, and unless they're completely arrogant they will lighten up.

It's just the way it is.

[ZkDotNet]

I apologize if anyone is offended by this but it rings true. I just generally h-a-t-e parents.

The majority of parents are ignorant dictators who couldn't care less the world their kids live in. Not the physical world but the world in their eyes.

Case in point. (http://www.gametab.com/news/1038841/) I mean alot of parents were kids when this released the first time and is their generation a bunch of savages? Not according to them. Do these people even know how to fire a gun? Not so simple.
I'm sorry.. but a tirade against this is just silly... and sounds like teen angst more than anything else.

The opinions expressed in that blog posting is such a minority thought; it's not even worth thinking about. Unless it's your actual parent expressing it.

[Eman311]

Yes you are right, but why now? and why this one in particular? I mean toy guns have been around for ages!! but since this is a new product it's an easy target for criticism.

Because the wii is one of the most popular young toy out there in many years

[Xzyliac]

I'm sorry.. but a tirade against this is just silly... and sounds like teen angst more than anything else.



A tirade? Teen angst? Am I even a teen?

A tirade would be "BURN THE MOFOS!" And a teen would probably be the same.

The highlight of my post was the news. If my own opinion eclipsed it my bad.

[joetaylor]

This is in one word......ridiculous.

These parents are making a fuss because there kids are shooting a plastic remote and gun shaped toy at the TV? Wow, big fuss, Nintendo are annoying etc etc

My parents are a prime example for me. Im educated fairly well i think, and my parents let me play 18s such a GTA because they know im not a pimp, i dont do drive bys and i certainly dont have the guts to even hold a gun. Raise your children with intelligance and common sense, and you and they will know the right answer.

Games have always been a fantasy and always will be, let adults never forget that. For example, i play Forza 2, and theres no way i can get away with crashing my car at 220mph into a wall, its common sense.

[ZkDotNet]

A tirade? Teen angst? Am I even a teen?

A tirade would be "BURN THE MOFOS!" And a teen would probably be the same.

The highlight of my post was the news. If my own opinion eclipsed it my bad.
Sorry... Let me put it this way: much ado about nothing. Honestly, it's a news story about a blog post or two. There'll always be someone protesting anything. The fact that CVG (or anyone) tried to make a story about it is silly.

[gh2masterwellalmost]

This is in one word......ridiculous.

These parents are making a fuss because there kids are shooting a plastic remote and gun shaped toy at the TV? Wow, big fuss, Nintendo are annoying etc etc

My parents are a prime example for me. Im educated fairly well i think, and my parents let me play 18s such a GTA because they know im not a pimp, i dont do drive bys and i certainly dont have the guts to even hold a gun. Raise your children with intelligance and common sense, and you and they will know the right answer.

Games have always been a fantasy and always will be, let adults never forget that. For example, i play Forza 2, and theres no way i can get away with crashing my car at 220mph into a wall, its common sense.

Totally agreed. I remember this much fuss happened with Time Crisis many years ago...

Like I said. Conservative, right-wing, and religious, the axis of evil - all together at once? You're asking for trouble...

[DShizzle1029]

I love parents. They set rules, keep kids in line (for the most part) and help bring up a better generation to make morals values and decisions for themselves. My parents never let me play violent games when I was a kid. I am thank for that now, because it helped me see that as you grow older and more responsible, more freedoms and enjoyments are granted to you. So I dont disagree with parents censoring what their kids play to a certain extent. I mean Duck Hunt is harmless, its a "hunting" game where you hunt for live game; the ducks. I mean, fathers take their sons out hunting all the time IRL. But like, I would never let my kid get their hands on Manhunt or anything like that. Its all about what the game is really...but yeah, I love my parents for doing what they did. They are great people.

[gh2masterwellalmost]

I love parents. They set rules, keep kids in line (for the most part) and help bring up a better generation to make morals values and decisions for themselves. My parents never let me play violent games when I was a kid. I am thank for that now, because it helped me see that as you grow older and more responsible, more freedoms and enjoyments are granted to you. So I dont disagree with parents censoring what their kids play to a certain extent. I mean Duck Hunt is harmless, its a "hunting" game where you hunt for live game; the ducks. I mean, fathers take their sons out hunting all the time IRL. But like, I would never let my kid get their hands on Manhunt or anything like that. Its all about what the game is really...but yeah, I love my parents for doing what they did. They are great people.

So... you don't like Stalin, but you're happy for your parents to be a totalitarian dictator for your life? Flipping 'eck...

They probably also made you go to church and made you religious. I dunno, I'm guessing that because you blindly followed orders from them.

My parents taught me, and I know, I do not take orders. I consider the consequences of my actions, and if my parents tell me to do something I take it as "advice" rather an "order". I don't have to do it, but I may have consequences if I don't.

"Laccesso Omnis Auctorita" (Question All Authority)

[DShizzle1029]

Yes in fact I am religious, I did go to church when I was a kid. So what, its not your life, its mine and I am happy.

[gh2masterwellalmost]

Yes in fact I am religious, I did go to church when I was a kid. So what, its not your life, its mine and I am happy.

Yeah, forced into religion... sad.

[DShizzle1029]

Um, I believe I am at the age where I get to decide that for myself now whether I want to continue to follow what I follow or not. The majority of kids have to do what their parents tell them to do...because challenging their authority results in getting grounded or getting your toys taken away or something...so yeah...you can take your rebellious life style and go do what you do, and I will continue to live my life the way I want, and we are all happy.

[gh2masterwellalmost]

Um, I believe I am at the age where I get to decide that for myself now whether I want to continue to follow what I follow or not. The majority of kids have to do what their parents tell them to do...because challenging their authority results in getting grounded or getting your toys taken away or something...so yeah...you can take your rebellious life style and go do what you do, and I will continue to live my life the way I want, and we are all happy.

You have to think about it. If you're raised, all your childhood, that God is real not a theory, that the Bible is fact, not an interesting storybook etc. then at an older age though you weren't physically forced into religion, you were TOLD IT AS FACT as a kid, that means you were, basically, forced into it.

In the same way, I was taught that God has neither been proven nor disproven. My parents refused to tell me their religious beliefs until I was old enough to decide on my own, just a few years ago. However, I am still different from them - I am agnostic, both my parents are athiest, though my Mum broke off from the CoE as an adult.

[Rev0lver]

"Children with guns learning how to aim and shoot. Then we can sit back and wonder what is happening to our country with kids killing kids."

This is retarted. Do they want to ban squirt guns now? Any TV show or movie, even on cartoon network or nickelodean probably has some sort of gun or gun look a like being used. Every arcade i have gone to has some sort of game where you use a plastic gun to shoot zombies. Sure, kids kill kids, but this hasn't even been released yet, so i guess it is magically influencing people from the past.

[DShizzle1029]

You ever see that video "Kids Killing Kids?"

[Xzyliac]

I saw that vid. Even at 6 I just found it hilariously typical.

[DShizzle1029]

Lol! That video deserved a grammy.

[Kang_Zircon]

You have to think about it. If you're raised, all your childhood, that God is real not a theory, that the Bible is fact, not an interesting storybook etc. then at an older age though you weren't physically forced into religion, you were TOLD IT AS FACT as a kid, that means you were, basically, forced into it.

Uhh - My parents are religious, and fairly conservative. I was brought up that way and still managed to make my own decisions about everything. You're making it sound like religious+conervative beliefs = facist. Not true.

And my parents definitely wouldn't get all crazy over a freaking plastic gun-shaped toy. Heck, I shot REAL guns when I was a kid. And I learned to be safe with, and respect guns.

They taught me the difference between games and freaking reality!. That's the problem with parents that go ape**** over things like this. They think shooting with a toy = killing someone for real. If playing video games seriously made you good at the same things in real life I be a master guitar player, could operate dozens of different classes of vehicles, planes, helicopters, spacecraft, use ninja arts to stealth kill armies, and defeat dragons with magic. Oh - and kill Zues.

[Saltines]

You have to think about it. If you're raised, all your childhood, that God is real not a theory, that the Bible is fact, not an interesting storybook etc. then at an older age though you weren't physically forced into religion, you were TOLD IT AS FACT as a kid, that means you were, basically, forced into it.

In the same way, I was taught that God has neither been proven nor disproven. My parents refused to tell me their religious beliefs until I was old enough to decide on my own, just a few years ago. However, I am still different from them - I am agnostic, both my parents are athiest, though my Mum broke off from the CoE as an adult.

Wow. You are really annoying and do not let any post go by without some sort of comment. You say just because he went to church and believes there is a god that he must be forced into religion? That is just.. ******ed. I'm pretty much an agnostic, but as a kid i was told God was real, and the bible was fact. So that blows your little theory to ****. And yes, you will find someway to make a comment on what I'm saying now. and I probably won't even read it.

[dragulaAC]

I dunno, I had tons of fake guns/squirtguns/nerf guns and all that stuff. Had duck hunt and that quick draw dual game. I haven't had the urge yet to go get a gun and shoot somebody. I was probably just under the rating age for Mortal Kombat when that came out, but I talked the folks into letting me get it after I explained that I knew it was fake, just a game, not real and all that jazz. After that I pretty much was able to play most any game that came out after that. Of course I was then older when anything THAT bad started coming out.

It takes the parents teaching their kids right and wrong, and it takes the kid not being a complete rebelious idiot. I guess sometimes the parents get screwed and get an anti-christ child, and sometimes the kid gets screwed and gets bad parents.

I don't even consider taking your kid to church at a young age as forceful. I don't see any kids around here strapped down in their chair, or screaming while they're attending church. Anyway, when you get old enough you can go ahead and make your own decisions, if they start beating you when you're 18 and say you don't believe in God, then that's another story. If you're parents decide to take their kid to church at a young age, then that's their decision. That's why they're the parents, they make decisions to better their own child.

If my kid grows up to have an attitude like some of the people arguing in this thread, I'll have failed as a parent. If I give 'orders' to my kid, then I would hope out of respect he'd follow them, not 'if he feels like it'.

[DShizzle1029]

I dunno, I had tons of fake guns/squirtguns/nerf guns and all that stuff. Had duck hunt and that quick draw dual game. I haven't had the urge yet to go get a gun and shoot somebody. I was probably just under the rating age for Mortal Kombat when that came out, but I talked the folks into letting me get it after I explained that I knew it was fake, just a game, not real and all that jazz. After that I pretty much was able to play most any game that came out after that. Of course I was then older when anything THAT bad started coming out.

It takes the parents teaching their kids right and wrong, and it takes the kid not being a complete rebelious idiot. I guess sometimes the parents get screwed and get an anti-christ child, and sometimes the kid gets screwed and gets bad parents.

I don't even consider taking your kid to church at a young age as forceful. I don't see any kids around here strapped down in their chair, or screaming while they're attending church. Anyway, when you get old enough you can go ahead and make your own decisions, if they start beating you when you're 18 and say you don't believe in God, then that's another story. If you're parents decide to take their kid to church at a young age, then that's their decision. That's why they're the parents, they make decisions to better their own child.

If my kid grows up to have an attitude like some of the people arguing in this thread, I'll have failed as a parent. If I give 'orders' to my kid, then I would hope out of respect he'd follow them, not 'if he feels like it'.

Youve just said what I have been trying to say all along. I wanna give you a cookie. Parents have a job to do, and that INCLUDES making decisions for their kids. Any parent who lets their kids do what they want is not a parent at all.

[Desensitized]

This whole thing reeks of good ol' Jack Thompson logic.

[Kang_Zircon]

This whole thing reeks of good ol' Jack Thompson logic.

Since when have knee-jerk reactions and uninformed assumptions been considered logic?

[Xzyliac]

Since when have knee-jerk reactions and uninformed assumptions been considered logic?

Since the phrase "Would you like to come in and have some hot coffee?" meant "How hard, how fast, how long, and how about now?"

[Quinarvy]

I guess all those water guns I had when I was little means I'll become a homocidal maniac. :rolleyes:

Please, this is the equivalent of me saying that all conservatives will be killers because they generally support less gun control then liberals...

Ironic, isn't it, that the conservatives are the ones getting up in arms over kids/teens shooting virtual guns...

Yet, most of my friends and people I know that have shot real guns are conservatives/raised by conservatives.

[Kang_Zircon]

Who said it was (just) conservatives getting upset about it? All I saw was parents - not any indication of their political views.

[gh2masterwellalmost]

I guess all those water guns I had when I was little means I'll become a homocidal maniac. :rolleyes:

Please, this is the equivalent of me saying that all conservatives will be killers because they generally support less gun control then liberals...

Ironic, isn't it, that the conservatives are the ones getting up in arms over kids/teens shooting virtual guns...

Yet, most of my friends and people I know that have shot real guns are conservatives/raised by conservatives.

Agreed. Good to see a lefty on this forum - they are VERYYYYYYYYYYY few and far between.


Who said it was (just) conservatives getting upset about it? All I saw was parents - not any indication of their political views.

These parents are OBVIOUSLY authoritarian conservative, or very hypocritical commys. I'm thinking the former.

[DShizzle1029]

Dude you really sound like an emo kid...

[gh2masterwellalmost]

Dude you really sound like an emo kid...

Emos are anarchist. They don't know what left and right wing mean. They opitimise politicians as evil. I'm none of the above (anarchism used loosely on me, I'm commy meself, and some politicians are evil, but there are a few good guys out there, the few I've met).

Seriously, there must just be two leftys, the rest are typical american conservatives who are pro military. From who I've been affiliated with.

[DShizzle1029]

...are you Fiona Apple by any chance?

[Xzyliac]

Dude you really sound like an emo kid...

Who? Who does?

[DShizzle1029]

Who? Who does?

gh2masterwellalmost

[Xzyliac]

gh2masterwellalmostOh. Just making sure. :p

[Kang_Zircon]

These parents are OBVIOUSLY authoritarian conservative, or very hypocritical commys. I'm thinking the former.

In the U.S. liberals are typically the ones that go insane over anything that might be considered endorsing guns. The NRA crack on the original article is a good indication of that. NRA members teach their kids gun safety, and don't freak out about them learning how to shoot up a school with a piece of plastic.

And liberals can be just as authoritarian. But about different things, like regulating businesses and forcing federal regulations on education onto state governments.

[gh2masterwellalmost]

In the U.S. liberals are typically the ones that go insane over anything that might be considered endorsing guns. The NRA crack on the original article is a good indication of that. NRA members teach their kids gun safety, and don't freak out about them learning how to shoot up a school with a piece of plastic.

And liberals can be just as authoritarian. But about different things, like regulating businesses and forcing federal regulations on education onto state governments.

I think there's a bit of misinterpretation here pal. You're working on party policies - the libertarian party for example is practically anarcho-capitalist; I'm working on the MEANINGS of these words. For example, you may call Stalin a commy and say communism is authoritatian. But thats one party bending the meaning of it.

Of course, the NRA would have to be careful, because otherwise they would be shut down. I strongly disagree with guns but education is required. Better strong gun laws than relaxed, though I personally would be pro-ban.

Its important that you do not get the lines mixed up between economic control and SOCIAL control. Communism, as an example that I know most about, is not authoritarian by nature, but as soon as you start making laws stricter and the police stronger it BECOMES authoritarian.

The best way to see the different is the most accepted form of testing politics on a chart, named the political compass (some of you may have heard of the political compass test, I'm posting it now as a thread) and it shows the economic control (left/right) and the social control. An ideology does not NEED to be authoritarian over its control of the economy, but the majority are. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_compass)

Hope this clears up some of the differences there.

[DShizzle1029]

Ok so youre pro-ban on weapons and youre pretty much anti-military...so...what if hypothetically the U.S. crumbled and fell to the power of a major global terrorist force and they were to somehow raid your house...you would just sit there and try to peace talk them which would realistically end up with them beheading you with a dull knife...

This is why guns are a GOOD thing; PROTECTION. Yes people abuse them, but that is going to happen with everything in this world. There are bad people everywhere. This so called Left-Wing peace talk crap doesnt work when people just dont want to listen. Our military is protecting this country so that you get to have freedoms...and with those freedoms comes with a bit of authority over you, but its for your protection and well being.

[gh2masterwellalmost]

Ok so youre pro-ban on weapons and youre pretty much anti-military...so...what if hypothetically the U.S. crumbled and fell to the power of a major global terrorist force and they were to somehow raid your house...you would just sit there and try to peace talk them which would realistically end up with them beheading you with a dull knife...

This is why guns are a GOOD thing; PROTECTION. Yes people abuse them, but that is going to happen with everything in this world. There are bad people everywhere. This so called Left-Wing peace talk crap doesnt work when people just dont want to listen. Our military is protecting this country so that you get to have freedoms...and with those freedoms comes with a bit of authority over you, but its for your protection and well being.

Again another person who knows nothing. Left wing peace? Heard of Stalin or Lenin? I don't think you'd call those EXTREME lefties as pacifist...

Rather than look at your hypothetical world, why do we have terrorism? Globalisation, American intervention in politics that should be intervened with (in the same way the British colonised many tribes into countries in Africa, they were asking for trouble, then exploited them for their resources. Iraq and oil anyone?). Although religion is to blame, there is also what Marx described as what would happen, and he made his prediction back in the 1800s (all been correct so far) in what he called Late Capitalism "neo-colonialism involving intervention under the fake premise of human rights abuse."

The military protect the boundaries of a country to other countries. My solution? Remove the borders.

Why do countries fight? Religion, money, resources. Organised religion would be nice to get rid of, probably won't happen - if you did, they would restart. Money, how to remove? Now you enter the realm of MY politics, and the same of resources.

I have argued with enough smart conservatives on this forum to last me a life time. So to argue with a dumb one I do not wish to do. So... we gonna not destroy this good thread?

[DShizzle1029]

Then how about you just leave this country and go start your own if you think your politics are the sh*t.

[gh2masterwellalmost]

Then how about you just leave this country and go start your own if you think your politics are the sh*t.

You just proved your own stupidity. For a start I'd have to *somehow* get the right-wing capitalist money grabbing media to love me for being commy... then I'd have to get the support of many. Then I'd have to find free-land. But they're all controlled by rich capitalists/countries.

Plus, Trotsky (who I believed had the most correct version of communism) said communism only works if every country has it. Makes sense - if you need something thats only grown in capitalist Africa and you're in commy England (hypothetical) then you just missed the point of REMOVING profit.

Look dude, either argue properly or don't argue at all. Your last comment just showed you can't, come back to me in a few years eh pal...

[Kang_Zircon]

I think there's a bit of misinterpretation here pal.

You used the term conservative, though, which I interepreted as "opposed to radical political change." The opposite of that IS liberal, and liberals are the ones in favor of more gun control (given that there is relatively little gun regulation established in the U.S) and are probably the ones overreacting.

Conservative/liberal has little to do authoritarian/libertarian. Both conservatives & liberals can be authoritarian.

Or maybe I'm just not sure what point you're arguing...

[DShizzle1029]

...anyways...who the hell said anything about me being a conservative, you really have no idea what I truely am. Just because I attempted to argue a conservative arguement (good arguement or bad arguement), doesnt mean I am of that group.

[Obnysalt]

You people should really takes this **** back to myspace where it belongs.

[DShizzle1029]

You people should really takes this **** back to myspace where it belongs.


I actually agree with you. Im done.

[gh2masterwellalmost]

You used the term conservative, though, which I interepreted as "opposed to radical political change." The opposite of that IS liberal, and liberals are the ones in favor of more gun control (given that there is relatively little gun regulation established in the U.S) and are probably the ones overreacting.

Conservative/liberal has little to do authoritarian/libertarian. Both conservatives & liberals can be authoritarian.

We're on different lines again lol. Conservative, using the British (we did invent this damn language :p) meaning, is a right wing fairly authoritarian political ideology. The liberals are, from the word "liberty" meaning free, meaning less laws, and though not 100% true but a fairly accurate generalisation are that liberals are left wing. And believe me, the majority of true "liberals" are not for the removal of gun legislation, maybe in America, but the rest of the world I doubt.

Using your definition, if someone under a left wing government thinks "I like this lets not change it" he is a conservative. No, conservatism is not the keeping of the same politics, more the right wing approach.

To quote a political dictionary, cos I think you're just taking it out of context:

"conservative
a person who supports conservatism. Naturally, those who are most conservative are usually those who have most to conserve, such as those who own wealth and property, or who are otherwise privileged, and thus have a stake in the disposition of things as they are. A conservative tends to be for the free market in economic affairs, and against what he calls "big government"-an excessive federal bureaucracy that intervenes in a wide range of social and economic areas. Conservatives prefer a kind of individualistic self-sufficiency. On social issues conservatives are pro-family, anti-abortion, and in general support traditional moral values and religion. Conservatives usually favor a strong military." http://www.thevoter.org/glossary.php?word=conservative

You see their CONSERVING their own wealth. Should have cleared up the mess