Which would be more unacceptable in Rock Band?

[BlueFantasy]

Now, I've searched and didn't find a topic like this, but if one exists, please feel free to delete/move/etc. ^-^

I did a search for "Demon Hunter" and came up with several topics (all locked) about Christian Rock. There were also threads about Aethiest Rock (also locked). So, what do you think should be kept out of Rock Band?

I personally don't think either is unacceptable, since you have to pay for the DLC anyway and don't have to download it if you don't want to. However, it would be nice to see some balance. For example, Foo Fighters' "Learn to Fly" has some slightly spiritual lyrics ("Lookin to the sky to save me"). NiN "The Hand That Feeds" has some anti-religious sentiments (to some). But there are others on disc that have some "name in vain" lyrics and such, yet no songs that mention Jesus in a good manner. So, I'd just like to see some balance is all. There are Christians, Jews, Muslims, Aethists, Agnostics... people of every walk of life that enjoy rock music. So give us all something to choose from that we we really do like. :)

[CaptainFeral]

Now, I've searched and didn't find a topic like this, but if one exists, please feel free to delete/move/etc. ^-^

I did a search for "Demon Hunter" and came up with several topics (all locked) about Christian Rock. There were also threads about Aethiest Rock (also locked). So, what do you think should be kept out of Rock Band?

I personally don't think either is unacceptable, since you have to pay for the DLC anyway and don't have to download it if you don't want to. However, it would be nice to see some balance. For example, Foo Fighters' "Learn to Fly" has some slightly spiritual lyrics ("Lookin to the sky to save me"). NiN "The Hand That Feeds" has some anti-religious sentiments (to some). But there are others on disc that have some "name in vain" lyrics and such, yet no songs that mention Jesus in a good manner. So, I'd just like to see some balance is all. There are Christians, Jews, Muslims, Aethists, Agnostics... people of every walk of life that enjoy rock music. So give us all something to choose from that we we really do like. :)

He doesn't look a thing like Jeeeesusssss but he talks like a gentleman... like you imagined when you... were yooooouuuuung!

[R4di4ti0n]

I dont sing, i dont care. I barely hear whats going on around me when i drum. Totally in the zone baby!

[BlueFantasy]

He doesn't look a thing like Jeeeesusssss but he talks like a gentleman... like you imagined when you... were yooooouuuuung!

Yeah, that one kinda confused me. Is that talking about Jesus in a good manner? I just thought it was a non-serious use or something.:confused:

[HeadHunter67]

Yeah, that one kinda confused me. Is that talking about Jesus in a good manner? I just thought it was a non-serious use or something.:confused:
Its use seems pretty clear to me: "This man does not physically resemble the idealized man you dreamt of as a child, but he exhibits the important traits". Or something along those lines.

Mentioning Jesus doesn't constitute "religious lyrics" any more than mentioning Salvador Dali makes a song into a surrealist painting. Likewise, mentioning Satan in any of his forms doesn't automatically make a song "satanic".

That said, there's a difference between the songs we currently have and those which would be blatantly pro-religious or anti-religious. I'd rather not see either kind here - this is a game, not a pulpit or soapbox. People ought to save their views on theology for their blog, IMO.

[ZortheConqueror]

Yeah, that one kinda confused me. Is that talking about Jesus in a good manner? I just thought it was a non-serious use or something.:confused:

I always figured it was saying that whoever "he" is (and I'm guessing its the singer because it really seems like a pathetic mask to me), doesn't look to her like he could save her from whatever sink she's sunk into. Especially given that at the end he goes "He doesn't look a thing like Jesus, but more than you'll ever know." He's saying he may not look like he can help her, but he really can. That's my guess.

Anyway, to be on topic...

I don't think either is unacceptable. You do have to pay for dlc, so if it offends you there's no shame in not getting it.

[R4di4ti0n]

Mentioning Jesus doesn't constitute "religious lyrics" any more than mentioning Salvador Dali makes a song into a surrealist painting. Likewise, mentioning Satan in any of his forms doesn't automatically make a song "satanic".

That said, there's a difference between the songs we currently have and those which would be blatantly pro-religious or anti-religious. I'd rather not see either kind here - this is a game, not a pulpit or soapbox. People ought to save their views on theology for their blog, IMO.

/agreed

IMHO, i just think all bias should be left out. Here for fun, baby. Plus, think the forums are hell now, imagine of they dropped some "religious" music.

[Tiberiouslb]

I think both should be let in. Too many great songs on both sides. (For reference I consider myself Atheist)

Even individual bands go both ways:
Metallica - songs like "One" clearly reference God but a song like "Follow the God that Failed" seems to mock Christianity. I want both in Rock Band.

Ozzy Osbourne - A rocker often identified with Satan and yet sings songs like "Thunder Underground" that clearly identify with God. I wouldn't mind his whole catalog in Rock Band.

Megadeth - "I thought I knew it all" is a song that both seems to want to deny God, but accept him at the same time. Youthanasia would be near the top of my most wanted albums.

Sorry to focus on Metal maybe someone else can expand to other genres.

I want great music. A band expressing their religious struggles, feelings, emotions, and such is perfectly fine, even if those views don't match mine. I think it becomes a problem if a band looks at music as a conversion tool, rather than an expression of personal feelings and experience.

[HeadHunter67]

I think the problem comes in when that spills over onto the forums - religion is one thing that moderators anywhere universally want to keep off of forums, because they know what can happen... unless it's a religious-based forum of course.

And can you imagine the PR black eye HMX would get if they put a song with overt anti-religious lyrics in RB? Some reactionary group of activists/lobbyists would blow it out of proportion and make it look like HMX promotes Satanism or whatever. Sure, most rational people would dismiss all the hype, but then again, some people buy into it and that's bad for the game.

I agree with R4di4ti0n, let's leave the bias out and just have fun. Those of us who like one kind of music, or the other, or neither, can listen to what we like on our iPods, where we don't have to share a playlist.

[Fanible101]

As long as the song rocks, I don't care.

[HeXcoda]

Nothing wrong with songs critical of religion. This particularly goes in the DLC category -- on disc you probably wanna avoid the "kill your dog for Satan" tracks just to avoid annoying special interest groups, but for optional, consciously chosen DLC? Anything goes.

The flipside's true. Let's look at Skynyrd's "Simple Man". That's a very religious song, extolling humility and avoidance of greed. It's a very moving, very beautiful song, epic rock, great stuff. And it belongs there alongside things like Judas Priest, because in the end... it's all ROCK.

Put both into the game and let people decide what they want to pay for. Just like the real music industry. There's an audience for everything out there.

[litaljohn]

there's really no clear way to answer those polls each option could be taken in many various contexts.....

1. there is generally nothing wrong being pro religion, unless by doing so for one hinders the acceptance of another extreme ex: Jesus is great all other faiths are going to burn in hell

2. there is nothing wrong with being anti religion, unless by doing so you are not supporting inti establishment or faith in general but rather the flat out insult of another's faith. In other words a good example would be atheistic concepts would be fine but linking any faith with being "wrong" over another would be unacceptable. Extreme ex: taking someones saint,god,idea and placing it with a value deemed bad or evil by the faith in question, such as calling Jesus a homosexual or mocking the image of muhammad. although I guess some ironic things would be acceptable such as joking at the image of Buddha. It would actually be relatively funny to a Buddhist since they would place no value on looks and that sort of thing ( which is also odd because the statues of Buddha actually modeled on a kitchen god in an asian faith that became incorporated with that image somehow :rolleyes: most likely due to the story of his enlightenment)

but in the end how big of a draw will either of those sell? its a message that will likely not spread to a large degree and so the DLC will only be downloaded by those who already enjoy the music..... oh and if theres one thing that would drive me nuts its people from the over protective faiths down my throat all the time..... Im sure hmx would pine for that one. (even pro faith songs could be seen as bad on rock band for "turning our faith into a meaningless game" don't think that would happen, watch! )

[GEEMIEE]

NiN "The Hand That Feeds" has some anti-religious sentiments (to some).
Listening to NiN has been scientifically proven to send you to Hell. ;)

I don't have a problem with religious/anti-religious songs personally. I'm not religious in the least bit, if a full-fledged gospel track was put out for DLC I'd probably skip on it, but that's not to say I'm opposed to it.

(For the record, I'd probably download a Satanic cult song, only because I think it'd be really funny to sing).

[Dzhokhar]

I think if a song gets into Rock Band on the basis of popularity, appropriateness for the game, and general musical quality, I don't care about the message.

I would be extremely disappointed if I felt songs got into Rock Band because of their religious/anti-religious/political message though. (I've heard some Christian rock that would make me feel this way if it ever got into Rock Band.)

[c0nd0rd4myt]

I do not think that Harmonix should be taking religion or faith into the matter at all.

they should not be looking specifically for religous bands (or else make a game called Church Choir perhaps), and at the same time they should be looking for songs that particularly criticize/question the existence of god, or sing about the devil, satan worship etc.

what they should be doing, and are doing, is looking for songs that Rock, and Rock Hard. if they succeed on that, than we (or at least the majority) will totally overlook any religous overtones.

[Tiberiouslb]

And can you imagine the PR black eye HMX would get if they put a song with overt anti-religious lyrics in RB? Some reactionary group of activists/lobbyists would blow it out of proportion and make it look like HMX promotes Satanism or whatever. Sure, most rational people would dismiss all the hype, but then again, some people buy into it and that's bad for the game.

That said, there's a difference between the songs we currently have and those which would be blatantly pro-religious or anti-religious.

Just an observation:
We already have Black Sabbath (i.e. N.I.B.), if that hasn't caused an uproar I think there is quite a bit of leniency as far as the religious content of a song, as long as the musical value and relevance are there.

[HeadHunter67]

OK, I will grant that Nativity In Black is probably the closest thing to "satanic overtones" in RB. But I'm not convinced that it's glorifying Satanism any more than "Cocaine" glorifies drugs.

I guess the litmus test is - do I feel like a song is trying to bang me over the head with an agenda? If it does, then I don't care how much it rocks. For instance, I like certain songs by "Christian" bands because of the sound, and there are certain songs I dislike from bands I otherwise enjoy because I feel browbeaten by a political or religious message.

I guess that's why I'd rather have "Flood" by Jars of Clay and "Black Flag" by King's X before I'd want more political hyperbole from SoaD.

[Fred1000000]

I think both should be let in. Too many great songs on both sides. (For reference I consider myself Atheist)

Even individual bands go both ways:
Metallica - songs like "One" clearly reference God but a song like "Follow the God that Failed" seems to mock Christianity. I want both in Rock Band.

Ozzy Osbourne - A rocker often identified with Satan and yet sings songs like "Thunder Underground" that clearly identify with God. I wouldn't mind his whole catalog in Rock Band.

Megadeth - "I thought I knew it all" is a song that both seems to want to deny God, but accept him at the same time. Youthanasia would be near the top of my most wanted albums.

Sorry to focus on Metal maybe someone else can expand to other genres.

I want great music. A band expressing their religious struggles, feelings, emotions, and such is perfectly fine, even if those views don't match mine. I think it becomes a problem if a band looks at music as a conversion tool, rather than an expression of personal feelings and experience.
Megadeth one must be older Megadeth, because I know Dave Mustaine is a churchgoer now....So hey, if Mustaine does it, we all should!

....If that logic makes any sense. But no, really, I, being a slightly devout Lutheran, believe that religious music should NEVER be a problem. It seriously offends me when people call anything that references religion (particularly Christianity) controversial. Now, keep in mind, I don't care if a song has bad lyrics or not. Heck, I love Tenacious D and Slipknot both as much as I love Flyleaf or Kutless, probably even more. But still. I don't think it should be a problem.

[0tj]

And can you imagine the PR black eye HMX would get if they put a song with overt anti-religious lyrics in RB? Some reactionary group of activists/lobbyists would blow it out of proportion and make it look like HMX promotes Satanism or whatever. Sure, most rational people would dismiss all the hype, but then again, some people buy into it and that's bad for the game.


I fine "The Hand That Feeds" to be pretty overt. I won't even play it for 3 reasons:

1. The song sucks anyway.
2. It's not fun to play on anything.
3. It's too anti-religion for me.

In other words it would have been better as DLC than an on disc song space wasted.

Thats my 2 cents ($.02).

[WonderboyYYZ]

I fine "The Hand That Feeds" to be pretty overt. I won't even play it for 3 reasons:

1. The song sucks anyway.
2. It's not fun to play on anything.
3. It's too anti-religion for me.

In other words it would have been better as DLC than an on disc song space wasted.

Thats my 2 cents ($.02).

Your 2 cents are worth very little, it has almost nothing to do with religion. It's chastising the way that our government justifies everything by the use of religion. It's anti-establishment.
It's definitely fun on drums

[litaljohn]

Your 2 cents are worth very little, it has almost nothing to do with religion. It's chastising the way that our government justifies everything by the use of religion. It's anti-establishment.
It's definitely fun on drums

haha i dunno I get the stigmata every time I hear it.....of course this is assuming the nails went right into the ears, cause man do they bleed! :D j/k

[CaptainFeral]

Your 2 cents are worth very little, it has almost nothing to do with religion. It's chastising the way that our government justifies everything by the use of religion. It's anti-establishment.
It's definitely fun on drums

Translation: It's Trent's "Waaah! I hate Bush!" song.
Because when you lose any bit of talent (He hasn't done anything good since TDS), all you can do is the same lame ";.; the government is making me emo" electronic-punk.

[litaljohn]

Translation: It's Trent's "Waaah! I hate Bush!" song.
Because when you lose any bit of talent (He hasn't done anything good since TDS), all you can do is the same lame ";.; the government is making me emo" electronic-punk.

the one thing I never understood was his need to "scratch" everything, some songs would sond really good if played normally but then it sounds like he was rubbing a quater on the master tape for a while over everything......

[instantdeath999]

the one thing I never understood was his need to "scratch" everything, some songs would sond really good if played normally but then it sounds like he was rubbing a quater on the master tape for a while over everything......

True. I have mixed feelings about "Heresy". I don't like the verses, but I love the way he does the chorus (God is dead). In my opinion, it just sounds really... for the lack of a better word, cool.

[Soja]

Actually, Hand That Feeds Struck me as a song that looks down on people who follow anything with blind, fanatical fervor.

A good example of controversial songs: The Number of the Beast. When this song/album came out in the United States, there were BIGTIME bad feelings from the far-right. But when you listen to the lyrics and actually PAY ATTENTION rather than judge a book (or album) by its cover, you realize that the song is being told from the horrified point of view of a man who eventually finds himself seduced by the dark side of things, as so many people often are.

Ozzy and Black Sabbath in general are a good example of a group that likes to use religious lyrics to drive a point home. War Pigs, for example. N.I.B. attempts to humanize the Devil, telling the tale of the Prince of Darkness as he tries to get a woman to fall in love with him.

So, my point is, these things are already in the game. Creed has a lot of songs that could be good for this game that are quite easily Christian-like (though Creed wasn't actually classified as a band in the Christian rock genre).

I don't think Harmonix would go for the really hard, very, very anti-religious bands anyway. There's not much money to be made there, then there is the whole offending people thing. I'm personally slightly offended by the "God**** you" in El Scorcho, but I don't take it terribly to heart.

[IHeartJesus]

The poll will shift. I have faith in God.

[litaljohn]

Actually, Hand That Feeds Struck me as a song that looks down on people who follow anything with blind, fanatical fervor.

A good example of controversial songs: The Number of the Beast. When this song/album came out in the United States, there were BIGTIME bad feelings from the far-right. But when you listen to the lyrics and actually PAY ATTENTION rather than judge a book (or album) by its cover, you realize that the song is being told from the horrified point of view of a man who eventually finds himself seduced by the dark side of things, as so many people often are.

Ozzy and Black Sabbath in general are a good example of a group that likes to use religious lyrics to drive a point home. War Pigs, for example. N.I.B. attempts to humanize the Devil, telling the tale of the Prince of Darkness as he tries to get a woman to fall in love with him.

So, my point is, these things are already in the game. Creed has a lot of songs that could be good for this game that are quite easily Christian-like (though Creed wasn't actually classified as a band in the Christian rock genre).

I don't think Harmonix would go for the really hard, very, very anti-religious bands anyway. There's not much money to be made there, then there is the whole offending people thing. I'm personally slightly offended by the "God**** you" in El Scorcho, but I don't take it terribly to heart.

I actually like when bands will try to reference things society has no clue over and so they get ended up used in a foolish context. Best example by far is the tripple six....

[Runa216]

Frankly, neither is unacceptable. there's Criticism and there's hate. There's faith, and there's judgement. Obviously there are balances to be kept, but I honestly feel that any song that is included or excluded simply becuase of religious sensitivity (be it of faith or of atheism) I would be more offended than anything that's included.

the very fact that we're having this discussion kinda proves Trent Reznor right...we're slaves to religion, we're letting it control our lives. Live and let live, my friends, you can have your belief and I can have mine. the day your faith interferes with my rights and ability to enjoy life, then I'll be pissed, until then, let's all just rock out together, how's that sound?

[IHeartJesus]

Jesus Rock's & Rules. After looking at the updated vote, I noticed that my prayers were heard. When I voted religious music was down by about 21 votes. Low and behold religion is now ahead.

[Kasper]

I have to say that I dislike religious songs (and that includes satanic or "anti"-religious songs), because I don't think music should be used to preach. Keep that to the churches, mosques, stone circles, whatever.

However, while I may not like that music, I couldn't care less if it's made as DLC. Some would probably enjoy that and that's fine by me. So neither would be any problem, but there's a LOT of better songs - true classics - that I'd rather see than pandering to a small group that apparently finds the "message" of the song more important than the quality of the song. Not saying there isn't music that is both good and religious, but I'd prefer it was included because it's "good" not because it's either religious or anti-religious.

[Serpentd]

Jesus Rock's & Rules. After looking at the updated vote, I noticed that my prayers were heard. When I voted religious music was down by about 21 votes. Low and behold religion is now ahead.

Umm, you realize that the main question was "Which would be more UNacceptable" right? Meaning if religious music was ahead in the polls, that means people DON'T want it. Sorry my friend, but I don't think your God heard you, or you prayed wrong.;)

As for myself, it doesn't make a lick of difference. If a song kicks ass, then it kicks ass. Unfortuneatly my favorite band will never be in RB, whom just happen to be Deicide. You can not get anymore Anti-Christian then this band. Heck, just figure out what the name of the band means.

Regardless, I don't think this will ever be an issue with RB with all of the music out there. Plus the overall Christian community always seems to throw a fit if there is something blasphemy or anti-christ like (not all, but some). Which never made sence to me since it's just a different point of view is all. There's always 2 sides to the coin. Plus I see everything needs balance. Black/white, Dark/light, Good/evil etc. I'm probably a bit out of the norm so I better just stay off this thread.

My beliefs are to not ever offend anyone, so if I did somehow I appologize. This is a tricky subject for me is all. Thanks for understanding.;):)

[rockfresh126]

I would say I have no problem with it, so long as the song doesn't beat u over the head with it. I wouldn't want to play the most ardent "Praise Satan" song, the same way I wouldn't want to play a hymn. But just because a song mentions religion in some way doesn't mean its bad. Two Examples

Slayer- Disciple---The lyric is God Hates us all (though its debatable if the song is anti-god or just a observation on the world). I wanna play it
Black Sabbath- After Forever---clearly telling you to accept God (which is odd for a Sabbath song). I'd like to play it.

My beliefs are my own, and I don't have the right to tell others what is and what is not acceptable. I might not download a song because of content, but it would be more because I think the song sucks, not for any of my religious beliefs. Who am I to tell you what you can play?

[MrZeebub]

This game is about the music. If you refuse to listen to music because of its religious, or anti-religious message, then you missed the point entirely.

[HeadHunter67]

After looking at the updated vote, I noticed that my prayers were heard.
People are dying of famine and warfare, there are all sorts of problems in the world, and you pray for the outcome of a forum poll? Please forgive me, but I believe that God's attention would better be directed to more important and relevant matters.

[Tralfmadorian]

Hateful or intolerant lyrics = fail

Everything else = win

[frizzy_bj]

I have a philosophy when it comes to music. If the song kicks ass, then I don't care what the lyrics are.

[xerichx07]

Who cares?! Really, I'm getting sick of these topics.

As long as it's a good song, it's fine by me.

[DiabloNeonX]

Even individual bands go both ways:
Metallica - songs like "One" clearly reference God but a song like "Follow the God that Failed" seems to mock Christianity. I want both in Rock Band.



The God That Failed is not mocking Christianity. James Hetfield wrote that song to cope with the death of his mother. He felt that God failed him by taking his mother away from him. It has nothing to do with mocking Christianity. It's coping with his anger and sadness.

[DiabloNeonX]

As for myself, it doesn't make a lick of difference. If a song kicks ass, then it kicks ass. Unfortuneatly my favorite band will never be in RB, whom just happen to be Deicide. You can not get anymore Anti-Christian then this band. Heck, just figure out what the name of the band means.




Wouldn't that represent the death of a deity?

[Serpentd]

Wouldn't that represent the death of a deity?

Very good. More specific, the Death of God. God is the deity used for this band is all. You get an A+.;) You have no clue how many people would ask me what this means. My license plates say DEICIDE is why I have people ask me this question.:)

[The_Spleen]

Hello everyone, first time poster, long time reader/watcher/forum stalker, what have you.

Like others have said, I believe this game is about the music first. Just because a song(s) have religious references, be it mentioning Jesus, Heaven, whatever it may be, doesn't mean that it is a religious song necessarily. I think HMX has done a good job of selecting songs that rock, regardless of how the lyrics can be mis/interpreted.

Lets take for example the band Collective Soul:

They are a good rock band (opinion) that has released many chart topping songs (fact). While at the same time they have been widely, and unfairly labeled as a Christian Rock band. They were labeled as such due to words (heaven, light, and religious references) that as soon as people heard they assuemed "Ew, they are attempting to force religion on me!" I would love to see some songs from their self-titled album in rock band, as I'm sure other would also because the guitars lines are melodic and crunchy, vocals are fun, and the drum lines sound like they would be fun.

I think the line is drawn for me when the song/artist is attempting to shape my views or beliefs to be more in line with theirs. Let people believe what they want, and remember this is a game, so lets keep it fun and rocking, rolling and maybe even in the future Rick Rollin! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU)

Here is an interview conducted with Collective Soul member Ed Roland in which the bands label as Christian Rock is discussed.

http://www.popmatters.com/music/interviews/collective-soul-050224.shtml
Excerpt:

From the moment their first single -- which featured the line "heaven, let your shine down" -- started making waves on commercial radio, Collective Soul was branded as a Christian rock band.
Understandably, the tag rankles. "I don't agree with it at all," says Roland, flatly "I remember around the time ["Shine" came out] getting into an argument with a writer who said, 'You're a Christian band.' I said, 'No, we're not.' 'Well, you have the word heaven in your song.' And I said, 'Well, so does Led Zeppelin. I don't remember anyone saying they were a Christian band.'" Roland seems especially upset by the Christian label not because it necessarily clashes with his personal beliefs, but because such a tag suggests that the band is united by a particular brand of faith. "We're five individual guys with five individual beliefs. No one person in the band can speak on behalf of the band. We all believe in a higher being, but we're not out to profess what it is."


Sorry for the long post, had a lot to say.

[Tralfmadorian]

Very good. More specific, the Death of God. God is the deity used for this band is all. You get an A+.;) You have no clue how many people would ask me what this means. My license plates say DEICIDE is why I have people ask me this question.:)

If Molly Hatchet can make the cut, being named after a murderous prostitute, and a song like "Number of the Beast" isn't drawing ire, the name Deicide wouldn't, on it's own, be enough to keep them from the game. I'm sure we will see Slayer in RB soon enough too (War Ensemble plz plz plz), and they are more closely associated with "satanic metal" (by the general public) than any other band.

[WhiffleBallTony]

"6! 6 6! The number of the beast!
6! 6 6! The one for you and me!"

I'm very strongly atheist, but don't give a flying **** what you sing about. If the song rocks, I like it. I can't stand "Christian rock", though. It's not that I hate the genre, it's that I don't believe it should be a genre. Bands should be defined by how they sound, not what they say.

[litaljohn]

6! 6 6! The number of the beast!

6! 6 6! The one for you and me!

hahah does anyone even know the actual reference being made in the actual biblical regard? (free cookie)

[Tralfmadorian]

hahah does anyone even know the actual reference being made in the actual biblical regard? (free cookie)

I thought it was pretty common knowledge. Everyone knows the story of Revelation.

[litaljohn]

I thought it was pretty common knowledge. Everyone knows the story of Revelation.

yes it is the problem is most take it at the face value of what they are told and never bother to actually see what the book is about.....

[botnic]

yes it is the problem is most take it at the face value of what they are told and never bother to actually see what the book is about.....

Unless the book is about Rock, or Rock Band, I don't don't see how this applies to these forums.

[elec]

nothing wrong with a little stryper king x or guardian all would be killer vocals. and they can always get the stamps out ccm for the christian the old pmrc tag for the whiners aboput the crue type songs

[litaljohn]

Unless the book is about Rock, or Rock Band, I don't don't see how this applies to these forums.

the topic deals specificlly dealing with pro/anti religious songs. the use of that term from the book is often misapplied to a reference of the devil despite the actual intent of the work that was put into the religious text of christians....

This deals specificly with the topic because as mentioned it does not deal with the devil in the least and I use the example to show it should have no effect on pro/anti faith but merely shows the lack of comprehension by many especially by those who put it in song.....

so thats how it applies to this topic

[Tralfmadorian]

yes it is the problem is most take it at the face value of what they are told and never bother to actually see what the book is about.....

Well, in my opinion, the book is mostly about the Roman empire and how they unified the known world (to that point) which led to totalitarian rule and the subversion of the common people.

Revelation was written by a man who refers to himself as "John", who wrote that he was exiled. His anger at the Roman empire for his exile and the crucifiction of the Messiah of his faith led him to write this book which described God's anger with the Roman empire and how he would destroy all who did not follow the word of Christ.

Of course, this has been debated over centuries by scholars and theologians alike and no definitive answer has ever been established. Therefore, your presumption that "most take it at face value" and that by extension you claim to know the true meaning behind it, is hyperbolic at best.

/extremely off topic tangent

[elec]

wait I have a better thought about ppl complaining of song content.


DON'T DOWNLOAD IT IF IT'S OFFENSIVE TO YOU!!!!

or is that to easy for some people. or is it that some people just want to complain and start a morale or holy war any chance they get if you think it might be offensive to you DON"T DOWNLOAD IT and stop pressuring people into falling in line with you.

that is what the previwe button is for and also you can go online and read the lyrics to 97% of these songs to make sure it won't be offensive for you.

if they take out or don't release every song someone has a problem with or that someone thinks is immorale or don't belong on RB then guess what there wont be any songs to play. BECAUSE NOT EVERYONE IS EVER GOING TO AGREE ON ANYONE SONG.

[holyground]

Seeing as how they'e included Number of the Beast as DLC, I have to say this discussion is half-way moot. If the song fits the context of the game (fun for all, master if possible, etc) they'll include it.

I mean, they don't go over the edge (the edge being gratuitous[sp]) with any one thing, but they're certainly not afraid of edginess. (Beethoven's C anyone?)

/holy.

[Tralfmadorian]

I still don't understand Beethoven's C***

The name doesn't seem to have anything to do with the song at all and is just a poor attempt to draw people into thinking he isn't afraid to be vulgar.

[Hindesite]

As long as the song rocks, I don't care.

I totally want to agree, but in reality, I think if I was singing a song with anti-religous lyrics, it'd feel wrong.

I'll sing about any God, Budda to whoever, because praising God, in my eyes, is good regardless of your belief or faiths.

However, praising the devil or, even worse, slandering God, is not "rock"... it's just wrong. I wont download anti-religous music. Will I put up strike agaisnt HMX if they make it available? No, but I definately wont be buying it.

[WhiffleBallTony]

I totally want to agree, but in reality, I think if I was singing a song with anti-religous lyrics, it'd feel wrong.

I'll sing about any God, Budda to whoever, because praising God, in my eyes, is good regardless of your belief or faiths.

However, praising the devil or, even worse, slandering God, is not "rock"... it's just wrong. I wont download anti-religous music. Will I put up strike agaisnt HMX if they make it available? No, but I definately wont be buying it.

Rock is rock no matter what the lyrics are about.

[litaljohn]

Well, in my opinion, the book is mostly about the Roman empire and how they unified the known world (to that point) which led to totalitarian rule and the subversion of the common people.

Revelation was written by a man who refers to himself as "John", who wrote that he was exiled. His anger at the Roman empire for his exile and the crucifiction of the Messiah of his faith led him to write this book which described God's anger with the Roman empire and how he would destroy all who did not follow the word of Christ.

Of course, this has been debated over centuries by scholars and theologians alike and no definitive answer has ever been established. Therefore, your presumption that "most take it at face value" and that by extension you claim to know the true meaning behind it, is hyperbolic at best.

/extremely off topic tangent



yep just about. John was actually thought to be imprisoned. His letters of his dreams were all simply encoded ways to get out his message. Obviously if guards knew of his literal intent the writtings would never have made it to any destination.

I have yet to see in any classes or in any read scholarly articles debating that it was all a literal truth of the end of the world......

[Remnant]

im not a religious person but i would love to play along to some As I Lay Dying tracks...or even early Underoath.

oh and newbie here =)

[botnic]

I feel like half the people on this thread are actually talking about rock and the other half are talking religion. If it wasn't for the first half I would probably call for this thread being closed down.
Nevertheless, I agree with the opinions on this thread that if something rocks, it rocks. If I really don't like the message, I don't have to download it, therefore I shouldn't be offended by it.

[McDreads]

It's better just to shy away from this topic.

[ChristiansWinInTheEnd]

Underoath would rock on this game.

Revelation chapter 13 deals with the Anti-Christ and the Number of the Beast.

I got some better lyrics that parody Number of the Beast.

777 your only way to Heaven, 777 the one for you and me. There, now the song has just been made perfect.

PS. FYI, Rebeling against long standing traditions does not make you cool, in fact it just makes you a fool. LOL I should start rappin' while im rockin'.

[CaptainFeral]

Am I the only one noticing a lot of Christian members with only one post to their name voting on this poll?

[IHeartJesus]

Am I the only one noticing a lot of Christian members with only one post to their name voting on this poll?


Aren't those the lyrics from the song "I think I'm Paranoid."?

[Samuel346]

I am glad the poll results represent what they do.

[IHeartJesus]

I am glad the poll results represent what they do.


I agree with you Samuel, I think you would find that Christians really want freedom. Christianity wants us to be responsible with that freedom because freedom can be used to do great damage. The poll shows the majority feels that either is ok. I am glad to see that opposition to anti-religious lyrics wins at this point against those who see religious lyrics as offensive.

I find that those who are opposed to Christianity are the same ones who want to take away or limit freedom of speech.

[Sonofmogh]

I am glad to see that opposition to anti-religious lyrics wins at this point against those who see religious lyrics as offensive.


Actually they are tied....just thought I'd mention it.

[IHeartJesus]

Actually they are tied....just thought I'd mention it.

I just refreshed my page buddy and you are mistaken. :D

[Samuel346]

I was referring to the "neither would be a problem".

[Galaxyclass]

I just refreshed my page buddy and you are mistaken. :D

Actually I just refreshed MY page and he's not mistaken. A difference of one vote is hardly grounds to say that one is beating the other...it is going to shift back and forth often.

[Sonofmogh]

Personally I could care less, as long as it rocks. I probably won't buy either of them though because most Christian rock is just too soft for me (there's no raging guitar solos dedicated to Jesus) and most anti-religious music is either really crappy thrash metal stuff that is too heavy for me (IMHO of course) or the lyrics are just disturbingly pessimistic...

So please Harmonix, just stick with the tried and true...metal, classic rock, rock, glam, progressive, etc.

No need to shake the beeshive...just my opinion. I'd certainly give any religious or anti-religious music a listen and see if it's good, and if so, I'd definitely buy it.

[Serpentd]

Am I the only one noticing a lot of Christian members with only one post to their name voting on this poll?

Did you notice you post is 666 when you asked that. LOL Sweet!;):)

[TheKrazyKatzzz]

If "Heresy" by NIN and "I Walk Beside You" by Dream Theater were in a pack together, I'd buy both, and sing both.

As an atheist, not only am I not opposed to religious music, I actively support it--after all, I have friends that are Christian, and I imagine they'd like to sing them. And of course they can, since we have Simple Man and whatnot. That being said, I'd love to see some songs critical of religion. Muse, more NIN, more Metallica, tons of other stuff. So long as both rock, and rock hard, I'll buy them.

[duckbutt86]

Let's just make it fair to everyone.

One week we'll have a P.O.D./Flyleaf/Underoath pack and at the same time they'll release a Slayer/Deicide/Bloodbath pack.

[Serpentd]

OK, here it goes. If we have Christian music, then to balance it out just like the poster above me mentioned, these are the types of lyrics you would see.:D

This most incredible song is by my favorite band as I mentioned before DEICIDE. Yes I love their music, lyrics and personal views. So to the Athiest and other "non believers", would this be an issue? To the Christians, I already know what most of you would say, so unless you have an open mind, save it.

I just wanted to see what peoples reaction is to lyrics like this. I'm not entirely sure that some people realized what I personally meant by "dark" lyrics. This raises the bar way past Slayer and such. Anyway, to the unfamiliar...welcome to lyrics from my favorite band Deicide.:)

PS. This is one of the more mellow set of lyrics by this band.

*This is not meant to offend anyone* It's just what I listen too.


5. Behead The Prophet (No Lord Shall Live)

Deny resurrection, behead the nazarene son
Foredoomed holy spirit, our war at last be won
Legion crush jehovah, see through the faceless dog
Untie our world from Satan
You know it can't be done

Wipe away this world of unworth
Decapitation, Satanic rebirth
Off with his head to sever his soul
Beheaded prophet the suffer is yours
"Forever....."

Virgin, mother murdered, once warned but now is dead
Destroyed heaven's kingdom, in flames the righteous fled
Legion, thou has waited, beface the sacred dog
Satan's revelation, this world will always be ours

End of god the way it must be
Behead the prophet, let Satan free...

No god, no lord shall live
What always has should never been
No god, no lord shall live
Behead the prophet and we win

No man to begotten, infant Jesus dead
End of god forever, cast among the souls of Hell
Thou who has imprisoned, suffer by your own demise
Execrate the revelation, MASTER SATAN RISE!

Deny resurrection, behead the nazarene son
Foredoomed holy spirit, our war at last be won
Legion crush jehovah, see through the faceless dog
Untie our world from Satan
You know it can't be done

No god, no lord shall live
What always has should never been
No god, no lord shall live
Behead the prophet and we win

No man to begotten, infant Jesus dead
End of god forever, cast among the souls of Hell
Thou who has imprisoned,
Execrate the revelation,
MASTER SATAN RISE!

[Liger_Trainer]

...welcome to lyrics from my favorite band Deicide.:)
Wow... I just looked them up on YouTube and....wow...

I listen to a lot of different music (classical, jazz, latin, rock, metal, country, hip-hop...). Pretty much any genre of music I hear I can find some interesting part and appreciate the music.

With that song as performed by that band I couldn't.

Lyrics - no
Guitar - no
Bass - couldn't hear a distinct bass line so no
drums - other than the fact that he was keeping a beat there was nothing going on.
vocals - it almost sounded like what someone would do to make a stereotyped mocking song for this type of music. There was no skill or quality involved for this type of singing? growling? talking?
tempo - the band didn't keep a constant tempo and it's clear they weren't changing time signatures.

Maybe it was that specific live performance I watched but if there was something like that in Rockband I would be very very very surprised.

[WhiffleBallTony]

I find that those who are opposed to Christianity are the same ones who want to take away or limit freedom of speech.

I'm just going to say this: I'm not opposed to Christianity, I'm opposed to theism. Some of the lessons in the bible are things to take to heart. I would consider myself to be an atheistic Christian. I don't consider Jesus my savior and lord, believe in god, or think that there is a heaven/hell, but I do like some of the things that Jesus taught.

[Serpentd]

Wow... I just looked them up on YouTube and....wow...

I listen to a lot of different music (classical, jazz, latin, rock, metal, country, hip-hop...). Pretty much any genre of music I hear I can find some interesting part and appreciate the music.

With that song as performed by that band I couldn't.

Lyrics - no
Guitar - no
Bass - couldn't hear a distinct bass line so no
drums - other than the fact that he was keeping a beat there was nothing going on.
vocals - it almost sounded like what someone would do to make a stereotyped mocking song for this type of music. There was no skill or quality involved for this type of singing? growling? talking?
tempo - the band didn't keep a constant tempo and it's clear they weren't changing time signatures.

Maybe it was that specific live performance I watched but if there was something like that in Rockband I would be very very very surprised.

Your kidding me? I've seen this band in concert like 20 times and never ceases to amaze me. I will admit that it's not for MOST people at all.

They actually have some music with different types of lyric content, but still pretty raw. Lots of their music also has plenty of time changes and whatnot. Depends on what song and performance you saw. It would be hard to capture this band live with out good equipment because of all the lets say "Heaviness". It would just get too drowned out. But I respect you for looking at it once.

I'm not going to explain or defend my taste of music, because it's not necessary. I do enjoy every type of music that you personally listed as well. I have been a drummer for about 25 years off and on, and to be a good musician you need to have a good diversity in music. Just because this is my favorite band (For lots of reasons unspoken) it's not what's in my cd player all the time. I have well over 7,000 albums, cd's, tapes etc and only 12 are by this band.

I was just trying to show the lyric content really. I would of had to hand pick a song that has what you were looking for. The song Deicide for example is awesome, as well as Serpents of the light. I could go on forever though. Anyway, thanks for your time there. This is what I mean that my favorite band would not make it to RB. Honestly it would be too difficult on drums and guitar plus the vocals of coarse. Not many people see the talent it takes to play this style of music. I know lots would say it's a bunch of noise, but I would love to have those people jump on stage and try and play just one of these songs. Not easy, I've done it.;):)

[Liger_Trainer]

...I'm not going to explain or defend my taste of music, because it's not necessary...
Thanks for the intelligent response :) I was half expecting someone to show up and burn down my house :D

Not because of you but the way people react on forums when people disagree with their opinion.

You are right though - musical taste is 100% subjective and as long as you like it that's all that matters!

[sillystou]

Hannah Montana. 'Nuff said.

[Tralfmadorian]

Your kidding me? I've seen this band in concert like 20 times and never ceases to amaze me. I will admit that it's not for MOST people at all.

They actually have some music with different types of lyric content, but still pretty raw. Lots of their music also has plenty of time changes and whatnot. Depends on what song and performance you saw. It would be hard to capture this band live with out good equipment because of all the lets say "Heaviness". It would just get too drowned out. But I respect you for looking at it once.

I'm not going to explain or defend my taste of music, because it's not necessary. I do enjoy every type of music that you personally listed as well. I have been a drummer for about 25 years off and on, and to be a good musician you need to have a good diversity in music. Just because this is my favorite band (For lots of reasons unspoken) it's not what's in my cd player all the time. I have well over 7,000 albums, cd's, tapes etc and only 12 are by this band.

I was just trying to show the lyric content really. I would of had to hand pick a song that has what you were looking for. The song Deicide for example is awesome, as well as Serpents of the light. I could go on forever though. Anyway, thanks for your time there. This is what I mean that my favorite band would not make it to RB. Honestly it would be too difficult on drums and guitar plus the vocals of coarse. Not many people see the talent it takes to play this style of music. I know lots would say it's a bunch of noise, but I would love to have those people jump on stage and try and play just one of these songs. Not easy, I've done it.;):)


Do you like Impaled Nazarene too? Imagine them in Rock Band :D lol

[HeadHunter67]

Your kidding me? I've seen this band in concert like 20 times and never ceases to amaze me. I will admit that it's not for MOST people at all.
I don't find the lyrics particularly impressive. In fact I wouldn't want to sing them. I'm not Christian, and in fact I disdain organized religion.

I agree, this kind of music isn't for most people - but when you're making DLC, it's good business sense to make sure it's something that "most people" will want to buy.

[ChristiansWinInTheEnd]

To the Christians, I already know what most of you would say, so unless you have an open mind, save it.

I just wanted to see what peoples reaction is to lyrics like this. I'm not entirely sure that some people realized what I personally meant by "dark" lyrics. This raises the bar way past Slayer and such.

PS. This is one of the more mellow set of lyrics by this band.

*This is not meant to offend anyone* It's just what I listen too.

Same here serpentd. Hopefully you have an open mind when listening to this Christian Metal. These are the lyrics to Metal Crusade by Mortification. Listen to the instrumental that I posted. I was not able to get a video of them playing with lyrics but the lyrics are posted below the video. I-tunes has their music for download if you want to hear it.

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Metal Crusade by Mortification

We will not stop fighting,
as evil deceives.
Thousands of lives,
will be relieved.

Chorus 1
Metal crusade,
spreading the Gospel truth,
raising the shield,
evil lies demolished
Metal crusade,
salvation through the cross,
belt of truth,
firm around our waist

Verse 2
Curses coming our way,
satan thinks he has won,
but we know the story,
live everlasting,
cancer and pain,
will not stop the fight

Jesus is risen,
knowlege will come.

Chorus 2
Metal crusade,
spreading the Gospel truth,
bearing the sword,
of the spirit of life.
Metal crusade,
salvation through the cross,
helmet of salvation,
guarding our minds.

Verse 3

Through word and music,
metal shall be reached,
Jesus will return,
when all have heard His ways.
No stone left unturned,
as we seek your life,
some way or other,
you will find The Truth

Chorus 3
Metal crusade,
spreading the Gospel truth,
shoes shod, to speed us on.
Metal crusade,
salvation through the cross,
breastplate of righteousness,
showing God's approval.

[Serpentd]

I don't find the lyrics particularly impressive. In fact I wouldn't want to sing them. I'm not Christian, and in fact I disdain organized religion.
.


I wasn't trying to find impressive lyrics, just and ordinary song by my favorite band. I could of put up something more impressive I suppose, but that wasn't my purpose. I would have to say that some of their new material would be up your alley if you disdain organized reliqion.

Are you a Nihilist? If your unfamiliar with what a Nihilist is, you should check it out, seems as though it would fit your style. Very cool and unique stuff to say the least.;)

[saerbarnet]

I don't really see the whole "unacceptable" part but I would prefer non-religious songs. Even anti-religious songs over the other alternative. Just because i find songs with christian messages always get so sleazy. Not that anti-religious aren't the same way though, Basically they're both kind of.. silly but since I'm an atheist i prefer the anti ones ^^

[Mushroom]

As long as the songs aren't being put in BECAUSE they are religious/anti-relgious, then I think it's fine.
God and Satan are mentioned all the time in Rock music, in positive and negative ways for both of them, but that does not make those songs religious songs.
On another note, which will probably get myself killed, I don't consider Christian/Satanic Rock a genre, there are better ways to describe the bands than by their religious preference. Just because something is a subject matter does not make it a genre, if it does, then where's Drugs Rock, Sex Rock and Party Rock?

[saerbarnet]

As long as the songs aren't being put in BECAUSE they are religious/anti-relgious, then I think it's fine.
God and Satan are mentioned all the time in Rock music, in positive and negative ways for both of them, but that does not make those songs religious songs.
On another note, which will probably get myself killed, I don't consider Christian/Satanic Rock a genre, there are better ways to describe the bands than by their religious preference. Just because something is a subject matter does not make it a genre, if it does, then where's Drugs Rock, Sex Rock and Party Rock?

Andrew WK would be the definition of Party Rock :p

[Serpentd]

Same here serpentd. Hopefully you have an open mind when listening to this Christian Metal. These are the lyrics to Metal Crusade by Mortification. Listen to the instrumental that I posted. I was not able to get a video of them playing with lyrics but the lyrics are posted below the video. I-tunes has their music for download if you want to hear it.



Oh dude, absolutely my friend. I've listened to Mortification since they were out in the early 90's. This band kicks butt for only having 3 members...if that's still the case. Not sure since their music is more difficult to find at the record stores then others. So I don't have their rescent stuff. They still sound good.

Another band that I use to listen to from the early 90's, maybe even late 80's was a band called Vengence Rising. Some very killer Chritian metal. If your not familiar with them, give them a looksee. Good stuff bro!

Yeah, for me I don't care if the lyrics are Christian, Satanic, or anything inbetween. I don't like love songs too much. But as long as the music jams, dude that's all that matters. Thanks for showing me the video bro, I appreciate it. ;):)

[Kreepman]

Aethism FTW

[ChristiansWinInTheEnd]

I don't really see the whole "unacceptable" part but I would prefer non-religious songs. Even anti-religious songs over the other alternative. Just because i find songs with christian messages always get so sleazy. Not that anti-religious aren't the same way though, Basically they're both kind of.. silly but since I'm an atheist i prefer the anti ones ^^

After reading your post, the first thing that came to mind was this passage. "Every kingdom divided against itself will be laid waste, and no town or house divided against itself will stand. And if Satan (atheism) drives out Satan (Devil), he is divided against himself; how, then, will this kingdom stand?" Matthew Chapter 12 verses 25-26

In short, it doesn't surprise me that you would support anti-religious lyrics over religious lyrics because a house divided cannot stand.

[Tralfmadorian]

Aethism FTW

Is Aethism anything like Atheism?

If so, there isn't much 'winning' involved...

[Sarge51]

Who cares, as long as it ROCKS.

[ChristiansWinInTheEnd]

Oh dude, absolutely my friend. I've listened to Mortification since they were out in the early 90's. This band kicks butt for only having 3 members...if that's still the case. Not sure since their music is more difficult to find at the record stores then others. So I don't have their rescent stuff. They still sound good.

Another band that I use to listen to from the early 90's, maybe even late 80's was a band called Vengence Rising. Some very killer Chritian metal. If your not familiar with them, give them a looksee. Good stuff bro!

Yeah, for me I don't care if the lyrics are Christian, Satanic, or anything inbetween. I don't like love songs too much. But as long as the music jams, dude that's all that matters. Thanks for showing me the video bro, I appreciate it. ;):)


You are a seasoned vet. This comes across in your posts. I would enjoy discussing with you, in depth, the differences between my beliefs (Christianity) and yours (Satanism).

[HeadHunter67]

I wasn't trying to find impressive lyrics, just and ordinary song by my favorite band. I could of put up something more impressive I suppose, but that wasn't my purpose.
You misunderstand me. I meant, I'm not impressed by the songwriting. I was trying to find a less offensive way to say "Regardless of my personal views, I think the lyrics suck". Just my own opinion.


I would have to say that some of their new material would be up your alley if you disdain organized reliqion.

Are you a Nihilist? If your unfamiliar with what a Nihilist is, you should check it out, seems as though it would fit your style.
Please don't mistake my distaste for organized religion for a lack of spirituality, though. I'm a very spiritual individual but "religion" is like morality - someone else's way of telling you what's right or wrong.

I wouldn't consider myself a Nihilist - though some of Nietzche's writings do appeal to me. I don't really like lyrics of the sort that have so far been posted in this thread, from either side.

My spiritual views are my own, I do not require others to share them but they are not open for debate. Even if it's done to song, preaching is preaching. I don't want or need it in RB.

[Serpentd]

You are a seasoned vet. This comes across in your posts. I would enjoy discussing with you, in depth, the differences between my beliefs (Christianity) and yours (Satanism).


ChristiansWinInTheEnd, I would wecome that invetation whole heartedly my friend. To be honest, under most cercumstances I would say no. But you are definitely different (In a good way), I can just feel it like a 6th sence. I was even talking to my wife earlier about you, telling her that for some reason I like this guy. Like I said, it was a calm feeling I felt with your post and something else that I can't explain. Feels like is was meant to be.

So absolutely, I would really enjoy that. My real email is serpentd69@msn.com. Please feel free to email me anytime and then maybe we can start up an IM deal to talk back and forth easier. Sound good? You'll have to forgive me if I don't get to my email super duper fast, were in the beginning stages of moving and I sort of check my PC off and on through out the day. Plus I have my own company and keep busy with that, you know just life stuff. So I just require a little bit of patience is all.:)

Thank you for the invitation, and I really look forward to talking with you and getting to know you. In the mean time, take care and I will keep an eye out for your first email from you.:)


I appologize to everyone for this being off topic and all. I'm not familiar on how to use the message thing here on the boards. Thanks for you understanding.;)

[Ultimatum]

If you're going to include one, may as well include the other so people don't ***** about inequality.

[Serpentd]

You misunderstand me. I meant, I'm not impressed by the songwriting. I was trying to find a less offensive way to say "Regardless of my personal views, I think the lyrics suck". Just my own opinion.


Please don't mistake my distaste for organized religion for a lack of spirituality, though. I'm a very spiritual individual but "religion" is like morality - someone else's way of telling you what's right or wrong.

I wouldn't consider myself a Nihilist - though some of Nietzche's writings do appeal to me. I don't really like lyrics of the sort that have so far been posted in this thread, from either side.

My spiritual views are my own, I do not require others to share them but they are not open for debate. Even if it's done to song, preaching is preaching. I don't want or need it in RB.

OK, I see where your comming from and respect your personal views 100%. I never intend to step on toes, if I did then I appologize as that was not my intention. As individuals, we all have the right to choose our own path. I'm not one to disrupt anyones beliefs or path. Anyway, you have a good day sir.:)

[HeadHunter67]

No offense taken and none intended.
Contrary to popular belief, I'm glad to have rational discussion even with those whose views I do not share. :)

[Ultimatum]

No offense taken and none intended.
Contrary to popular belief, I'm glad to have rational discussion even with those whose views I do not share. :)

Yeah, those people that take a rational discussion personally kind of suck.

[Serpentd]

Yeah, those people that take a rational discussion personally kind of suck.

I agree with you both entirely. It's just that on this particular forum from what I've seen anyway, many people are not that rational. I've seen both types of people on here, very open minded and willing to learn and have a good conversation. I've also seen a large amount of people that are entirely close minded to the point you could never have a rational discussion with them. So, since I personally don't know anyone really on this forum other then what I can gather from the way they post, I start out pretty cautious to feel people out.;):)

[simmias]

I voted ixnay on the eligiousray, but decided afterwards that I would be ok with some MxPx. Just no Stryper or crap like that. Ugh.

[n4sc4r]

I don't care what kind of band/song is on the game. If I like it, I will play it, and if I don't, I will still probably buy and play it(dlc whore....). For example, I would lvoe to see Skillet in Rock Band, they're awesome.

[JukeBoxHero]

I don't think it's a problem with a anti-religious or very religious song in Rock Band. It's the person choice if he or she wants to purchase the song. I don't think I would want that every week though. It's fine that someone want to express their beliefs but if each of anti-religious/religious song is like all of them musically then no. That doesn't offer much variety in terms of playing. Other wise I have no problem with Harmonix releasing the those type of songs lyrically. The only people that should have a problem is...

A)A religious person that is offended by the lyrical content.

B)A atheist that is offended by the lyrical content.

C)A person who thinks every week should have music of their liking.(Which in general needs to shove it up their piehole and get over it.)

[ChristiansWinInTheEnd]

ChristiansWinInTheEnd, I would wecome that invetation whole heartedly my friend. To be honest, under most cercumstances I would say no. But you are definitely different (In a good way), I can just feel it like a 6th sence. I was even talking to my wife earlier about you, telling her that for some reason I like this guy. Like I said, it was a calm feeling I felt with your post and something else that I can't explain. Feels like is was meant to be.

So absolutely, I would really enjoy that. My real email is serpentd69@msn.com. Please feel free to email me anytime and then maybe we can start up an IM deal to talk back and forth easier. Sound good? You'll have to forgive me if I don't get to my email super duper fast, were in the beginning stages of moving and I sort of check my PC off and on through out the day. Plus I have my own company and keep busy with that, you know just life stuff. So I just require a little bit of patience is all.:)

Thank you for the invitation, and I really look forward to talking with you and getting to know you. In the mean time, take care and I will keep an eye out for your first email from you.:)


I appologize to everyone for this being off topic and all. I'm not familiar on how to use the message thing here on the boards. Thanks for you understanding.;)

After reading the first paragraph, I was convinced that our paths were definately destined to meet. So much of what you wrote were some of the same things I was thinking. While I was offline, before reading your response, I was also telling my wife about you.

I will be sending you an e-mail and yes, setting up an IM would definately be possible. Maybe others on this thread can learn that two people from completely contrasting beliefs can learn to listen to each other's point of view without the personal insults. :)

[murfinator]

Is Aethism anything like Atheism?

If so, there isn't much 'winning' involved...
I take it that you are more involved in The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster?

I think that it is only fare that both be brought to the game as DLC, but any thing with anti-religious lyrics I will not even take a look into and will not be purchasing. As a Christian, I feel that Christianity should never be forced onto people and that I shouldn't be forced into buying something that is against my belief. A lot of you people Christian/Secular probably believe the same thing...

This is a really well written song by a band called Brand New that is secular and I would consider this to be one of my all time favorite songs! Called Jesus Christ:
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On a side note how would you feel if HMX put Secular bands into the game that wrote Christian songs like Creed or Switchfoot?

[HeadHunter67]

On a side note how would you feel if HMX put Secular bands into the game that wrote Christian songs like Creed or Switchfoot?

Personally, I can't stand Creed, and it has nothing to do with religion. I just don't like their sound or their vocals.

I'd rather have Jars of Clay or King's X than Creed, TBH.

[Ultimatum]

I find it funny how Creed is a Christian band and Scott Stapp happens to be one of the biggest drunken douches in the world.

[WhiffleBallTony]

Your kidding me? I've seen this band in concert like 20 times and never ceases to amaze me. I will admit that it's not for MOST people at all.

They actually have some music with different types of lyric content, but still pretty raw. Lots of their music also has plenty of time changes and whatnot. Depends on what song and performance you saw. It would be hard to capture this band live with out good equipment because of all the lets say "Heaviness". It would just get too drowned out. But I respect you for looking at it once.

I'm not going to explain or defend my taste of music, because it's not necessary. I do enjoy every type of music that you personally listed as well. I have been a drummer for about 25 years off and on, and to be a good musician you need to have a good diversity in music. Just because this is my favorite band (For lots of reasons unspoken) it's not what's in my cd player all the time. I have well over 7,000 albums, cd's, tapes etc and only 12 are by this band.

I was just trying to show the lyric content really. I would of had to hand pick a song that has what you were looking for. The song Deicide for example is awesome, as well as Serpents of the light. I could go on forever though. Anyway, thanks for your time there. This is what I mean that my favorite band would not make it to RB. Honestly it would be too difficult on drums and guitar plus the vocals of coarse. Not many people see the talent it takes to play this style of music. I know lots would say it's a bunch of noise, but I would love to have those people jump on stage and try and play just one of these songs. Not easy, I've done it.;):)

I don't even know what the singer, err... growler, is saying. I just can't stand growling/grunting/screaming vocals. I'm not saying that it doesn't take skill, but it ruins a lot of music for me. For example, "D.O.A." and "Blinded By Fear" are two songs that I would like if you take out the vocals. "Thrasher" is a great song, mainly because the vocalist is in a normal tone of voice.

[Ultimatum]

So it has to be normal to be good?

[Lithium_666]

I dont care either way. And i have no religion, although i think any religion could make a good song bc the writer will have a better connection with what he's writing.

[Lithium_666]

I don't even know what the singer, err... growler, is saying. I just can't stand growling/grunting/screaming vocals. I'm not saying that it doesn't take skill, but it ruins a lot of music for me. For example, "D.O.A." and "Blinded By Fear" are two songs that I would like if you take out the vocals. "Thrasher" is a great song, mainly because the vocalist is in a normal tone of voice.

This is the way the message in the music has to be delivered, just like i would much rather listen to someone screaming than hear the fall out boy vocalist, though i can sing both ways, its much easier to sing like fall out boy, all american rejects, etc. than it is to do death metal vocals.

[Lenown]

I look at it like this. Music is made to express oppions and your feelings about stuff. You make a song saying you hate god or jesus because he took away a family member of a loved one, then thats your way of coping with the pain of it. You make a song saying you hate jesus and god thats your personal belief. I am a althties so I don't belive in anything. Just like Flyleaf is a christain rock band. And Black Sabbith was sopose to be a devil band. It don't matter whats in the game as long as they don't just put all christain music in it. Can't be byist like that. But thats my 2 cents.

Rock bands sopose to be about fun. Some people have fun singing songs that praise god. Others like songs that dont. Its all about your personal opion. But me I suggest it. So the games not the same exect thing.

And all your grammer nazi's can go to hell about my spelling. I know I suck

[Soja]

I know one of my sisters would kill for Underoath. She's already had one wish come true with the Paramore release...

Christian music only sounds like preaching because it is usually a song sung in praise of the Lord, and listeners sometimes feel compelled, like something is making them feel awkward. I personally don't like most Christian music because... well... it's all the same, thematically. There's very little variation in what the song is about. I like a few choice songs, but these are the classics that have been covered a dozen times already. That's funny, considering I am Christian (Catholic, to boot).

That said, I won't listen to any of this "Satanic metal" because it feels rather wrong. It seems too hateful. I'm down with anger and such, at times, but I don't really feel the need to bay for the blood of the Messiah, beheading and all that, as in the example provided earlier in this thread. Furthermore, the lyrics just seem arbitrary, which is just the same problem that Christian music has--it is written within one modicum that comprises its label, and that's pretty much the extent of it.

I like Creed, and I have for many, many years. They have many songs that reference God, or Heaven, or salvation without necessarily naming them. So it can be that, or something that represents that to you. That said, Creed has never been classified as a Christian rock band. Just a hard rock band. If they have been, it was by popular ignorance or misconception.

The prior paragraph is mostly directed to Ultimatum, who seems to be living under this perception. Is Scott Stapp a douchebag? Yes. A humongous one. But being Christian has nothing to do with it. A lot of Christians in the past have been humongous douchebags, but so have a lot of Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, atheists, etc, et al. I guess the point I'm trying to make is that a person will be who he is regardless of the creed he proclaims. (lol see wut i did thar?)

[Serpentd]

I look at it like this. Music is made to express oppions and your feelings about stuff. You make a song saying you hate god or jesus because he took away a family member of a loved one, then thats your way of coping with the pain of it. You make a song saying you hate jesus and god thats your personal belief. I am a althties so I don't belive in anything. Just like Flyleaf is a christain rock band. And Black Sabbith was sopose to be a devil band. It don't matter whats in the game as long as they don't just put all christain music in it. Can't be byist like that. But thats my 2 cents.

Rock bands sopose to be about fun. Some people have fun singing songs that praise god. Others like songs that dont. Its all about your personal opion. But me I suggest it. So the games not the same exect thing.

And all your grammer nazi's can go to hell about my spelling. I know I suck

Dude, we/I don't give a crap if you can spell well or not. I'm suck at spelling also. What's important is you have periods that form a sentence which you do. And even more important is your opinions and views to share. This isn't English spelling class and sh*t. So don't trip.

I'm actually really enjoying this thread and peoples opinions and their points of veiw here. Not only that, but for it to have to do with religious content, it's been very civilized which shows good maturity. That's difficult to find on this forum sometimes, let alone just in general. Thanks for your input bro, well put.;)

[Lithium_666]

AGREE WITH ABOVE ^. And as i said earlier, im not religious nor do i claim or want to be classified in a religion bc i do not believe in it.
But everyone's life is their own and they can choose to believe in what they want and i respect them for that. Religions cause some of the strongest feelings and emotions in many ppl, and guess what strong feelings and emotions turn into when a band implements them into their music??? GOOD MUSIC!!!

[Serpentd]

That said, I won't listen to any of this "Satanic metal" because it feels rather wrong. It seems too hateful. I'm down with anger and such, at times, but I don't really feel the need to bay for the blood of the Messiah, beheading and all that, as in the example provided earlier in this thread. Furthermore, the lyrics just seem arbitrary, which is just the same problem that Christian music has--it is written within one modicum that comprises its label, and that's pretty much the extent of it.



Soja, point taken. I was the one that put up those lyrics to get a bit of feedback from others as yourself. I see your point and would have to agree. Let me skim through some other music I have with toned down lyrics compaired to that last song and see what you or others might think. Something a little less duragatory towards Christians, Jesus etc. I do realize they are a bit brutal for the majority of the public.

Anyway, I appreciate your feedback. Thanks you.;):)

[Serpentd]

AGREE WITH ABOVE ^. And as i said earlier, im not religious nor do i claim or want to be classified in a religion bc i do not believe in it.
But everyone's life is their own and they can choose to believe in what they want and i respect them for that. Religions cause some of the strongest feelings and emotions in many ppl, and guess what strong feelings and emotions turn into when a band implements them into their music??? GOOD MUSIC!!!

Wow dude, your dead on with that my friend. I've been keeping an eye on your posts and you have made some excellent points. Thanks for the input. I really mean that. I know I've been telling a lot of people on this thread that same thing, but that's because I do mean it.

I have really been enjoying the input on this thread. It's helping me to remind myself personally to keep that open mind I never want to loose. I pride myself on my open mindness, and with this I get the satisfaction of learning bits and pieces from people as yourself. So Thanks.:)

[Lithium_666]

Try Lamb of God, and no they are not by any means or even close to christian, just the name they picked i guess, but i cant think of a single song that says anything bad about christians or god or jesus, etc.
Songs
Omerta- Song about honor and betrayal. actually uses some references to judas in the bible.
Laid to rest (yes from GH2)
Pariah- Song about drug addicts and drug addiction
11th hour- about alcoholism
And all of their songs are good.

[Lithium_666]

Wow dude, your dead on with that my friend. I've been keeping an eye on your posts and you have made some excellent points. Thanks for the input. I really mean that. I know I've been telling a lot of people on this thread that same thing, but that's because I do mean it.

I have really been enjoying the input on this thread. It's helping me to remind myself personally to keep that open mind I never want to loose. I pride myself on my open mindness, and with this I get the satisfaction of learning bits and pieces from people as yourself. So Thanks.:)

Having an open mind is one of the greatest virtues to have.
You got a PSN?

[Serpentd]

Try Lamb of God, and no they are not by any means or even close to christian, just the name they picked i guess, but i cant think of a single song that says anything bad about christians or god or jesus, etc.
Songs
Omerta- Song about honor and betrayal. actually uses some references to judas in the bible.
Laid to rest (yes from GH2)
Pariah- Song about drug addicts and drug addiction
11th hour- about alcoholism
And all of their songs are good.

Hey, I was just going through my cd collection and found some Lamb of God. It's the album "As the palaces Burn". Sweet! I looks like an older album then the songs you mentioned, but regarless I'll check out both.

I have a tendancy to space out music I own because I will buy like 6-8 cd's at a time and then totally forget what I have. I usually find the one out of the 6 and stick with it for a while then before I know it I've already baught 5 new cd's again. It's a visious circle.

Thanks for the heads up. I'm going to rip the CD right now. Thanks man. Later.;)

[Lithium_666]

Hey, I was just going through my cd collection and found some Lamb of God. It's the album "As the palaces Burn". Sweet! I looks like an older album then the songs you mentioned, but regarless I'll check out both.

I have a tendancy to space out music I own because I will buy like 6-8 cd's at a time and then totally forget what I have. I usually find the one out of the 6 and stick with it for a while then before I know it I've already baught 5 new cd's again. It's a visious circle.

Thanks for the heads up. I'm going to rip the CD right now. Thanks man. Later.;)

1 song i said is older, one is off that, and 2 are off the next cd

[Lithium_666]

Also that is in a close tie for my favorite by them.

[Serpentd]

Having an open mind is one of the greatest virtues to have.
You got a PSN?

Unfortunatly no. I'm 360. BUT...I am planing on getting a PS3 in the next week or two so I can have both systems. Don't ask why, mostly for reasons like this I suppose. Plus I've wanted one since they came out.

If you can send me a friends request, I can give you a heads up when I get my new unit, or I'll just track you down on the forum either way is cool with me. So we could hook up in the near future if you want.

Cool man, I hope we get to hook up sometime.

[Fausttt]

@ Ultimatum: Best signature picture ever. i shot iced coffee out of my nose when i saw that. a little big but still. . .

@ murfniator: glad to see another Pastafarian here. There definitely needs to be more pasta-diety-themed music on RB.

on a serious note. what this game needs to unite us all, satanists, christians, and atheists alike, is the number 1 band in all existence!!

Faith + 1:

with such inspiring lyrics as:

"I Need you in my life, Jesus.
I can't live without you, Jesus
And i just want to feel you deep inside me, Jesus!"

and who could forget:

"I want to walk hand-in-hand with
Jesus on a private beach for two.
I want him to nibble on my ear and say
'I'm here for you.'"

and the chart-topping hit:

"Yes I may be born again, but I was wasn't born again yesterday.
I wanna get down on my knees and start pleasing Jesus!
I wanna feel his salvation all over my face!"

this band has taken the world by storm earning them a double-myrrh album!!
I think Rockband should be its next stop on its tour, to your soul. . . .

[HeadHunter67]

Headhunter67 is another person whom I don't like, but apparently all it takes to get him to stop arguing is to say a lot of sir's and thank you's and he lays off, but only if he feels that he won.

I'm glad you don't like me - that way I don't feel that my scorn for you is unwarranted.

The best way to get me to lay off is to avoid posts like the one above. It's good advice if you don't want the moderators coming down on you. ;)

[stonicus]

I don't really care if the song's about Jesus or Satan, as long as it has killer solos. Well, if I don't like the song, I just don't buy it. That's the good thing anout DLC.

[xerichx07]

@ Ultimatum: Best signature picture ever. i shot iced coffee out of my nose when i saw that. a little big but still. . .

@ murfniator: glad to see another Pastafarian here. There definitely needs to be more pasta-diety-themed music on RB.

on a serious note. what this game needs to unite us all, satanists, christians, and atheists alike, is the number 1 band in all existence!!

Faith + 1:

with such inspiring lyrics as:

"I Need you in my life, Jesus.
I can't live without you, Jesus
And i just want to feel you deep inside me, Jesus!"

and who could forget:

"I want to walk hand-in-hand with
Jesus on a private beach for two.
I want him to nibble on my ear and say
'I'm here for you.'"

and the chart-topping hit:

"Yes I may be born again, but I was wasn't born again yesterday.
I wanna get down on my knees and start pleasing Jesus!
I wanna feel his salvation all over my face!"

this band has taken the world by storm earning them a double-myrrh album!!
I think Rockband should be its next stop on its tour, to your soul. . . .

I agree? That was very funny, but I don't think it's good to go around starting another religious debate.

Who cares I'm getting sick of these topics.

[Fausttt]

I agree? That was very funny, but I don't think it's good to go around starting another religious debate.

Who cares I'm getting sick of these topics.

lol. i guess there aren't many South Park fans here huh. those lyrics were ripped right from the episode where Cartman formed a "christian rock" group to win a bet. he took popular songs and replaced "Girl" and "baby" with "Jesus"

it was friggin hilarious. ah well. i tried. . .

[xerichx07]

I know it was from South Park.... that's why it was funny to me