Going Against My Word

[gh2masterwellalmost]

Ok, I sit here feeling unhappy, like a GH3 fanboy/spamwhore in the wrong forum. Why you may ask? I'm seriously resenting Rock Band, here are my reasons...

The British Delay
"Tool of all trades, the master of none"
Other than Creep, no songs that I truly love
No hard guitar, tailored for the noob in us all
The PRICE

I know I know bad place to post this I'm gonna get flamed like there's no tomorrow but are there anybody who feels similar, sorta going against their old RB convictions?

[tucsonovernite]

I think you should follow your own advice and stick to the General forum where you can discuss all the politics you'd like!

[Eman311]

It's quite alright i think to bring up things you dislike about it.

You have valid points. Rock Band is for you if

-you're gonna have buddies to chip in and/or play with you
-you're crazy excited to playd drums (just get that then)
-you're a madonna in disguise
-you're rich

[TheTogfather]

well...

1. I'm not Brittish, so no
2. I believe it's "Jack of all trades, master of none." but I have no idea what this means in regards to Rock Band.
3. Honestly I don't know if I would claim any of the so-far announced songs as ones I truly LOVE...but I can tell that they will be extremely awesome to play. The latter is much more important to me.
4. I can see this bothering some people, but I'm fine with it. This is going to be a party game, and needs to be accessible to all types of gamers and non-gamers alike. If they had stuck with the difficulty curve they were heading towards after GH2, it would be nearly impossible for a newbie to pick up and play and that would put a lot of people off. Plus, I just don't find it fun to be constantly struggling to keep up with crazy note patterns...and especially with Rock Band, I would much rather have fun than display technical prowess. Plus, they suggested there will be guitar heavy DLC.
5. Not much to be done about this. If any other company could come along and make a feature-ladden game bundled with three separate instruments for significantly less than 200 dollars I would be very, very surprised.

[chaopolis]

I'm getting kinda tired of people saying the game is gonna suck because such-n-such a song isn't in it...

...I highly doubt Harmonix was looking through their set-list going "well... we have a good set list here, but this user JoeMama95 thinks this one song sucks... we better lose it."

Seriously, even I have a song or two that I don't like.

But, guess what... not EVERYONE is gonna be happy. Stop complaining because Harmonix didn't get your taste correct.

......jeeez

[gh2masterwellalmost]

I think you should follow your own advice and stick to the General forum where you can discuss all the politics you'd like!

Na, I stuck away from the main because of "so whens RB coming out again" people. Again, the first RB fanboy is here, shut up and go away, this is for people who are gonna be impartial. Once I was an RB fanboy, now through the gradual wearing down by the RB fanboys on here and the loss of novelty, I'm sitting on the bench for it.

[Brad_Lee]

I still am super amped for Rock Band... but the difficulty is the only thing that really has my Rock Meter going into the red.

[Bakkster]

"Tool of all trades, the master of none"
...
No hard guitar, tailored for the noob in us all

I think you have this game mistaken for Guitar Hero. This is NOT GH. It's not Full Band Hero either. Sure, GH was all about wailing on solo guitar and freakish finger movements, but what makes you think RB should be about that too?

Most music is not about having some incredibly complex/difficult/fast guitar/drum/vocal part. Look at Cream. Eric Clapton is an incredible guitarist, Jack Bruce is a great bassist and capable singer, and Ginger Baker is an excellent drummer. Do they write all of their songs just to exercise their chops or stroke their egos? No, they write music first, then use their talents next.

There's a place and a niche for each RB and GH. If you don't like it, just stop complaining. You're not being betrayed, you just misunderstand HMX's vision for the game. So go ahead and moan all you want, I'll just let HMX make the game they want, and if it's what I want to play I'll buy it. If it's not what you want to play, don't buy it. QED.

[cmg4894]

Now I think people are starting to realize everything involved. The price is something people have been worried about. I think they have been hoping a cheap price and now it's sinking in that $200 is probably the price. I don't know what taste someone has in music if they don't like a lot of songs and with the DLC promise....More to come? The drums alone should be reason enough. But if the you have to question buying it maybe you shouldn't.

[Bakkster]

Na, I stuck away from the main because of "so whens RB coming out again" people. Again, the first RB fanboy is here, shut up and go away, this is for people who are gonna be impartial. Once I was an RB fanboy, now through the gradual wearing down by the RB fanboys on here and the loss of novelty, I'm sitting on the bench for it.

Does that mean you will stop trolling the official forums?

[thorn_9]

Posts like this: The game isn't what I expected...I'm not happy

...make me laugh. The game isn't even finished yet! There is DLC for those release track haters. and the bottom line is: if you don't like it, DONT BUY IT!

Use your damn head! You troll post then wonder why people respond the way they do...

[ThePaska]

I have to disagree with you on most of your points. I can see where you are coming from. Similarly this is why I have lost faith in Guitar Hero. The songs make the game. Personally I love nearly all the songs in Rock Band. And truly I only like maybe 15 songs in Guitar Hero.

I do agree there seems to be a lack in hard guitar, but I can kind of see where Harmonix is going with this. First of all you can't expect all the songs to be guitar oriented, or to all have difficult guitars, when they are trying to cater to an entire band. It has been said too that the final guitar song has yet to be announced so that is at least one more difficult guitar song to look forward to. As I was saying (as to where I think Harmonix is going with this) Rock Band is just a platform, it is the basic CD with some songs on it for everyone, the DLC is where people who want more of the same or people who want a challenge will be able to do as they please and purchase songs to make their Rock Band the way they want it. In your case it would be to pick more difficult guitar songs. Also personally I like the more simpler songs I find more replay value from them and find them more fun to play.

As for the British delay, or actually a late release in Europe, I can see how that would make people upset, and it is annoying, but at least it is coming there eventually.

The price, well you get what you pay for, and no one is saying you need to buy everything. It is very hard to make a cheap game that requires four new controllers.

Let me just say your complaints are all valid, and maybe Rock Band at this point isn't for you, maybe you need to wait to see what other songs get announced and what is on the horizon for DLC.

[Electric_Zen]

The British Delay
"Tool of all trades, the master of none"
Other than Creep, no songs that I truly love
No hard guitar, tailored for the noob in us all
The PRICE


GH3 will be coming in your country this year. I expect it will be more focused on providing challenging guitar tracks. From your post, it sounds like it may have more songs that you 'truly love'.

You should buy GH3. By the time Rock Band is released in your territory, you will have a better idea of whether you want it.

I live in North America, and am very excited about Rock Band this fall. But there's nothing that says you have to be.

[tucsonovernite]

Let me just say your complaints are all valid, and maybe Rock Band at this point isn't for you, maybe you need to wait to see what other songs get announced and what is on the horizon for DLC.[/QUOTE]


wow i hope that was as condescending as it sounded

[parastroke7]

I think what he meant with the "tool of all trades" comment is this.

Do you ever just know people who aren't really good at ONE thing, but can do a little of everything? Typically, these people don't surpass a certain level because they are balanced along many things in their lives. People who are freakishly good at Guitar Hero do not fall into this category, as one of these "jack of all trades" people probobly would do 90% average on most songs, and about 82% on difficult songs.

He's trying to say the songs are pretty easy.

[Bakkster]

I think what he meant with the "tool of all trades" comment is this.

Do you ever just know people who aren't really good at ONE thing, but can do a little of everything? Typically, these people don't surpass a certain level because they are balanced along many things in their lives. People who are freakishly good at Guitar Hero do not fall into this category, as one of these "jack of all trades" people probobly would do 90% average on most songs, and about 82% on difficult songs.

So, you're saying that if you have no life because you play GH all day, you probably won't like RB? Sounds right to me. If somebody needs constant attention, and are used to getting it through GH, I can see why one would find the focus being shifted away from them to be disheartening.

[Thrashdragon]

I'm not happy about the reputed easiness of the songs either, but I have faith that Harmonix knows who their hardcore audience is...and that we will be a major target of a lot of the DLC. Casual players will be happy with whatever comes in the box, we can never get enough. We're the ones that keep doing insane things like attempting to FC Expert and 5 star Jordan, because it give us a reason to keep playing the game. We keep playing the same few songs over and over and over again, risking our eardrums and our marital status. I'll be surprised if there's not some craziness out there made just to order for us.

I just don't want Rock Band to become the next Wii...don't go so casual that you become the $200 dust collector next to my TV that I only bring out for parties.

[masterx1918]

hey Guitarheromaster. DON'T BUY ROCK BAND THEN have fun with Guitar Hero 3. locked thread

[cmg4894]

I think what he meant with the "tool of all trades" comment is this.

Do you ever just know people who aren't really good at ONE thing, but can do a little of everything? Typically, these people don't surpass a certain level because they are balanced along many things in their lives. People who are freakishly good at Guitar Hero do not fall into this category, as one of these "jack of all trades" people probobly would do 90% average on most songs, and about 82% on difficult songs.

He's trying to say the songs are pretty easy.

I really like this example. I feel I'm pretty good at GH. I average about 88-92% on Expert. I will never 100% (well I have on HSB but does that count?). I like RB because I can get good at everything but won't be a master and I'm very happy with that.

[miketoast]

Meh to all that nonsense, give me the release date and give it to me now!!!!!

[Magnet]

Haven't all of these points been discussed to death already? Seriously. We don't need more of these topics. The price is $60 like all other games if you want to play with your 360 or PS3 controller. God would that be fun. If people can't accept that you have to pay more and the peripherals aren't free in this perfect world, then they need to grow up. $200 is not even a fixed price for the game. If you want to buy just the drums or just the guitar, then they've said that they will have bundle plans for those as well at cheaper costs.

American developed games are traditionally released in the UK later than in America. That's just the way it's been. And with the supply vs. demand that Harmonix will be encountering, it's unrealistic to expect everyone to get the game on day one.

Your disappointment with the song list is unfortunate, but none of the songs I love are here either. I wouldn't expect to find mine here, as my tastes aren't exactly mainstream. But I like almost all of them, and they'll almost all be fun to play. If you honestly don't like 75% or more of the songs at all, you simply have a too-specific taste in music at the moment and need to broaden what you listen to. The list is diverse and just about all of the material is from talented artists who have created enjoyable songs that many people like to hear. If it doesn't have even one song that I love, that's okay, as long as it has 25 or 30 songs that I like well enough. I honestly don't expect them to hit even 2 or 3 songs that I absolutely love in the 45 licensed songs on the disc. I don't think anyone can realistically expect that. That's why I'm hoping that the DLC will be diverse enough so that some material I truly love can be found there. It's been repeated numerous times that Rock Band is more of a platform for music than a standalone game. It's almost irrelevant whether you love all or any of the songs on the disc if the DLC plans turn out to be as extensive as they've claimed.

I've posted in at least five different topics about why the song selection lends itself to easier guitar parts on the whole. It's a consequence of choosing songs that will be fun for every single player to play as a band. There's no reason they should have kept guitar centric-songs just to make the guitar as hard as Guitar Hero when that would have brought down the relevancy of the other instruments. This is not Guitar Hero III, and if you expected it to be, you probably should have tried reading the name of the game better. There will be guitar-intensive songs available by DLC for people who haven't gotten their fix of Guitar Hero. That really should be enough to calm everyone down. The difficulty has not been tailored for anyone in particular; on Expert, they are still completely accurate to whatever is going on in each song, just like Guitar Hero on Expert has almost always been: note-for-note transcriptions. I can't believe how bad this myth of them intentionally toning the difficulty down spreads. The day they start leaving out notes on Expert is when they tone down the guitar difficulty. I've seen no evidence of that so far, and I don't believe anyone else has either. Let me know when you do.

[Tendoza]

In response to the GH2master's first post...

Easy guitar: There's always DLC and songs like Highway Star, and Enter Sandman will be pretty fun.

UK delay: I would advise having it shipped, while it will add to the cost, if you have a steady job, the price shouldn't be too bad.

Price: like I said, if you have a steady job, no problem...

If you don't have a job...........

I do feel your pain in terms of the delay; delays are not cool. Also the estimated price can be a little staggering...

Edit: Magnet, you're awsome!

[gh2masterwellalmost]

In response to the GH2master's first post...

Easy guitar: There's always DLC and songs like Highway Star, and Enter Sandman will be pretty fun.

UK delay: I would advise having it shipped, while it will add to the cost, if you have a steady job, the price shouldn't be too bad.

Price: like I said, if you have a steady job, no problem...

If you don't have a job...........

I do feel your pain in terms of the delay; delays are not cool. Also the estimated price can be a little staggering...

Edit: Magnet, you're awsome!

Thank you very much, you post decently and I like your advice.

And to the rest of you: you RB fanboys are worse than the ScoreHero ones. You blame the noobs and me supposedly "trolling" just because I post a different opinion. Well, dumb fanboys are bad, WoW or GH3, but smart fanboys... they're even worse. I'm still buying the drums for Rock Band, and just to annoy you fanboys I'm gonna post in the Rock Band section. I was having a fun time in general... rattling the spastic cage again should be fun...

I've unsubscribed, you can keep fighting over dust all you like or the mods can lock it. W.e. au revoir.

[Bakkster]

If people can't accept that you have to pay more and the peripherals aren't free in this perfect world, then they need to grow up. $200 is not even a fixed price for the game. If you want to buy just the drums or just the guitar, then they've said that they will have bundle plans for those as well at cheaper costs.

Ah, but remember that, according to his profile and other posts, he's 14yo and a communist.

ABOUT ME
Where do I begin? Oh, why bother, you all think I'm an ignorant communist anyway, but I'm not, if you weren't so ignorant :rolleyes:
Fortunately I don't think we need to worry about "people" being upset by this, just teenage communists from Britain. Maybe that's HMX's true demographic and they've been doing it wrong?

Edit:

You blame the noobs and me supposedly "trolling" just because I post a different opinion.
...
I was having a fun time in general... rattling the spastic cage again should be fun...

I don't see how that's not trolling. W/e I'm done with this topic too...

[tucsonovernite]

Awesome...my first time in my admittedly limited online forum experiences that i've been (indirectly) called a fanboy!!;)

..anybody up for trolling the online Karl Marx forum , pissing off all the dreamers!?

[GrenadeJumper]

There are still plenty of songs to be released. Plus we haven't seen all the videos for the songs that have been released (Enter Sandman). I bet there will be at least 10 good, hard songs. At least I hope... To me though I think the songs that have been shown look fine. I mean, I'm not the greatest GH player so it should be good for me lol.

[Xzyliac]

I am 100% satisfied. Why? Because Harmonix is working their asses off more than ever and they don't make ****.

Purchase: Justified.

[Jonnyears]

The British Delay

I expect that all us from Britain are annoyed about it, but think about it- Wouldn't you find it a little difficult having to produce and ship millions of instruments to the two largest audiences in the world at the same time? It may be an annoyance but still understood.



Other than Creep, no songs that I truly love

I'm sure that for most, this was the case with the GH games, before they came out- I had the same thought- I ONLY LIKE ONE SONG!! But once you have played it and gotten into it, the songs grow on you.


The PRICE

Surely that's not too bad is it? You get what you pay for, (I don't know how much it will end up costing over here) But in America- $200 for a guitar, drum kit and microhpone and a game, that's not that bad.

[IErrantVentureI]

Halo 3 isn't getting to the UK on the 25th like it is for US, is it? Nah, it's getting there a day late. Halo 3 is probably the most hyped and hyped-over game of 2007 at the moment. The British delay will always happen.

[Xzyliac]

Why is everybody *****ing? He has perfectly acceptable reasons to not buy.

*****ing because someone isn't getting it basically makes you the fanboy.

[tucsonovernite]

ya know i dont really have the impression reading these forums for about 5 months or so that we actually have a lot of fanboyism, to make up a word.....only you and the thread starter seem to feel this way....i think many of us plan on getting GHIII as well....but regardless i feel you have no base by which to make that statemnt

[tucsonovernite]

"Tool of all trades, the master of none"


Can you say Freudian slip, anyone? :

[Xzyliac]

ya know i dont really have the impression reading these forums for about 5 months or so that we actually have a lot of fanboyism, to make up a word.....only you and the thread starter seem to feel this way....i think many of us plan on getting GHIII as well....but regardless i feel you have no base by which to make that statemnt

Oh I didn't mean that in a negative way. I was mainly commenting on the original post.

I'm a Harmonix fanboy but I'll be getting GHIII.

[tucsonovernite]

Oh I didn't mean that in a negative way. I was mainly commenting on the original post.

I'm a Harmonix fanboy but I'll be getting GHIII.

i apoligize if i misunderstood your comment:o

That crazy ghmaster just gets me all riled up!

[masterx1918]

no one here is a fan boy. why? Because we all have and still activly play guitar hero. That and we all will probably buy Guitar Hero III. we're just tired of ill-informed people like guitarheromaster coming in here and saying how the guitar tracks are weak and the game is too much money.

[ductyl]

UK delay: I would advise having it shipped, while it will add to the cost, if you have a steady job, the price shouldn't be too bad.

Xbox games are generally region locked (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/908223), so this likely won't work. Also, the two countries use differing video standards, PAL and NTSC... so again, importing is a no go.


You blame the noobs and me supposedly "trolling"...

...just to annoy you fanboys I'm gonna post in the Rock Band section. I was having a fun time in general... rattling the spastic cage again should be fun...

Troll: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll)

someone who intentionally posts controversial or contrary messages in an online community such as an online discussion forum or USENET, with the intention of baiting users into an argumentative response.

- ductyl

[skeltonath]

The British Delay

I'm not posting as an argument, I see your points as valid, but we don't want this to turn into the Xbox 360 launch again! I reserved in the second shipment and didn't get mine till January!

...I really wish that Rockband will be as popular as the Xbox 360 now, haha.

[Brad_Lee]

coming in here and saying how the guitar tracks are weak


The Guitar tracks so far are weak....

[NotorietyH]

Also, the two countries use differing video standards, PAL and NTSC... so again, importing is a no go.

Eh no, if that was the case people wouldn't be able to import DVDs from the US with a multi-region DVD player. Most TVs these days can display NTSC and with HD it's not even an issue. I know plenty of people on Irish Playstation boards that have imported games from the US for their PS3s and they work fine. I've pre-ordered Rock Band, the hard part was finding a place that would ship outside the US.

[Chris_Gonzalez]

Eh no, if that was the case people wouldn't be able to import DVDs from the US with a multi-region DVD player. Most TVs these days can display NTSC and with HD it's not even an issue. I know plenty of people on Irish Playstation boards that have imported games from the US for their PS3s and they work fine. I've pre-ordered Rock Band, the hard part was finding a place that would ship outside the US.

Sony had to do that because PS3 games aren't region locked. Can't say "Oh, yeah, you can play this on your PS3 if it came out in America and you're in Europe." and then be like "Oh, whoops, no PAL setting. Sorry."

[Terranova]

Eh no, if that was the case people wouldn't be able to import DVDs from the US with a multi-region DVD player. Most TVs these days can display NTSC and with HD it's not even an issue. I know plenty of people on Irish Playstation boards that have imported games from the US for their PS3s and they work fine. I've pre-ordered Rock Band, the hard part was finding a place that would ship outside the US.

I'm thinking of doing that, who did you go with and what is the cost of Shipping ?

[skyehill]

Na, I stuck away from the main because of "so whens RB coming out again" people. Again, the first RB fanboy is here, shut up and go away, this is for people who are gonna be impartial. Once I was an RB fanboy, now through the gradual wearing down by the RB fanboys on here and the loss of novelty, I'm sitting on the bench for it.

I bet I'll lose some sleep over your predicament. Oh wait, no I won't.

[NotorietyH]

I'm thinking of doing that, who did you go with and what is the cost of Shipping ?


I managed to pre-order it from www.EBGames.com, shipping was $40 which is pretty good considering it's probably a big enough box. The only thing to watch out for though is being caught to pay extra when it gets to customs, with such a big package could easily happen. But it's Rock Band so if I have to sell I kidney I will!