Will "Zero" be censored as well?

[darknessmoon]

Zero is one of my favorite songs, and one of those few songs that I completely know the lyrics to. So:

"Bullsh*t fakers, enchanted kingdoms, the fashing victims chew their charcoal teeth..."

Considering that past songs have gotten the mighty hammer of censorship bestowed upon them, should we just assume that this will be the case again?

[chillzatl]

Zero is one of my favorite songs, and one of those few songs that I completely know the lyrics to. So:

"Bullsh*t fakers, enchanted kingdoms, the fashing victims chew their charcoal teeth..."

Considering that past songs have gotten the mighty hammer of censorship bestowed upon them, should we just assume that this will be the case again?


probably, is it that big of a deal though?

[gunslinger95]

Yes - every other song has been. Why would you think there was a chance Zero wouldn't be?

[Drossvirex]

Well it's kinda pathetic that they will censor 'bull****' but not "God is empty, just like me"

Not that I'm religious or anything, but I know some people have to be offended by that. I'd hope they are offended by that and not a harmless swearword.

[bakapenpen]

to mimic pti... zero percent chance of it being non-edited.

as for why they censor swear words yet leave a religous line untouched, it has to deal with explicit lyrics being defined and needing to be labeled and rated (thank al gore's wife for that) there is no system in place to do so with religiously offensive lyrics, so it is actually comparing apples to grenades.

[BathTub]

Dammit I forgot about the swearing.

[Samuel346]

Well it's kinda pathetic that they will censor 'bull****' but not "God is empty, just like me".

:rolleyes:

If anything, I could see why "God damn you half-Japanese girls" would offend someone, not "God is empty, just like me."

Surprise we didn't have a debate about it, oh wait, it was all over the forums.


It all goes back to this idea that certain words are "bad" which is just a stupid concept.

Censor everything, or nothing. There's no half and half. And I feel the same when it comes to vocals. This country needs to get over this words are bad fetish.

Don't like that there's swearing in a song? Don't listen.

[Serpentd]

Well it's kinda pathetic that they will censor 'bull****' but not "God is empty, just like me"

Not that I'm religious or anything, but I know some people have to be offended by that. I'd hope they are offended by that and not a harmless swearword.

I'm sorry, but "God is empty, just like me" is NOT a religious issue. If something as simple as that bothers anyone, please just keep it to yourself and DON'T download the song. You, or maybe I should say "I" could look at that many ways.

I mean, what God? Mother Earth perhaps, Budah, Satan or just a tree someone sees as a higher power, or maybe it's refering to life itself. Then what is empty? Missing love, feelings, being completely void, not enough souls in Heaven, the lack of peace on Earth?

All I'm saying is because it uses the word "God" does not mean it's a bad thing or blasphemous (sp). Lyrics are meant to be related to and inturpreted by the individual listener. You could turn the outlook of those lyrics around and have it mean something completely different. I just kindly ask people to not jump to conclusions when things like this arise.

If they wanted to be specific about it being the Judeo Christian God, then maybe they would use the word Jahovah. Isn't that is true name (in some religions) anyway. God is just way too vague of a word to assume it's the Christian God.

I didn't write this to offend anyone and am sorry if I did. I'm the type of person that likes to look at every option or both sides of the coin if you will. Nothing more. It's only a song people. And remember, you don't have to download it.;) Thanks for at least trying to understand even if you don't.:)

[Redonkulous]

If only the "experiences may change with online play" actually meant something...

[needLEEr]

Well, since my other thread got locked with disregard for my idea, here it is again, to clarify, this is a suggestion for making un-censored versions of songs available:

A) Don't buy the blasted song! or B) Have Harmonix release 2 versions of the song, one censored and the other not.

Un-abridged version: http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46972
first post on topic.

[Kasper]

There was actually a better discussion going in the other thread, but just to bring my main points in here then:

1) There are plenty of bad songs that just use swearwords and cussing as an attempt to provoke and annoy, and those don't even need to be in the game in the first place. However, there is plenty of legitimate reasons for the use of those words to express emotions or feelings. And I want to hear/sing the actual song that the artist envisioned - it's a work of art to be experienced as it was intended - not censored.

2) Censoring is pointless and hypocritical. A few days ago at a friends I was playing Singstar and we had to sing "Push the Button" by Sugababes (A horrible song, but we had dared to sing whatever random song it threw at us). My point is that in that entire song they had censored one - just ONE - specific word - that word being "ass". This in a song whose lyrics are explicitly and clearly about sex, sex and more sex and a video that is full of sexual actions (and weird fetishes). So it's ok for children (who really is the intended target for Sugababes) to watch a video like that and listen to a song whose lyrics are clearly about sex - but it's wrong to hear the word "ass"? Give me a ******* break ;)

[Samuel346]

I'm sorry needler, I shouldn't of said my first post in your thread apparently.:(

[needLEEr]

I'm sorry needler, I shouldn't of said my first post in your thread apparently.:(
It's okay, I just wanna get my point across, or my ideas. Censoring really ruins the song, not because I wanna hear "balls" or some other word for laughs, it's so the song's meaning or feel stays true.

[packerfan8675309]

i didnt even know they said that, i could never understand what they were saying in that section

[LiveWire008]

If only the "experiences may change with online play" actually meant something...

It's just a worthless legal warning to cover their ass for online game chat. In my experience, listening to someone "chat" in the middle of a game like CoD4 is basically the equivalent what God probably hears listening in on a random freeway driver's road rage.

It does bring up a good point... it's not on the disc, you PAY for it. No one under 18 should be able to buy it (parental controls/the whole credit card thing) and it's a parents responsibility to know what they're buying for their kids.


i didnt even know they said that, i could never understand what they were saying in that section


Apparently neither did any radio station by me, because I've never heard a bleeped version on the airwaves around here.

[Serpentd]

All I can say is with ANY song with ANY words, LEAVE THE SONG ALONE! There is never a reason to change the words of any artists. Unless of coarse they use the F-bomb too often.

Other then that, I thought that even "T" for teen meant up to some Mature language and some mature content. Saying the word ass or sh*t once or twice in my opinion is "some". I'm no pro at these stupid ass ratings, but this is a rock music game and some of the songs will have "some" adult language and content. Bottom line.

I realize for many people out there changing one word or leaving it out is no big deal, but for me it is. If they have to take the word/s out then so be it. But I think in this specific case of saying a word once (I think it's once) then leave it be.

Or like dude above me said, make 2 download options. What would that take, an extra 10 minutes for the Developers to do? Sorry for the rant, but this bad word here and there thing is pethetic by itself.

Anyway, I'm still stoked about getting the song Zero!! Yeah Baby!! I hope the drums charts are pretty good with it being Jimmy Chamberlin and all. I personally just started to learn to appreciate this band about 6 months ago.:)

[PacoL250]

It all goes back to this idea that certain words are "bad" which is just a stupid concept.

Censor everything, or nothing. There's no half and half. And I feel the same when it comes to vocals. This country needs to get over this words are bad fetish.


Well since it boils down to language and seeing as how language is clearly a social construct to facilitate communication, the concept of bad words is an idea based upon the need to communicate "negative" concepts.

The idea that certain words are "bad" is not necessarily a horrible idea, but it is just overblown (as are most things in America). Like you said, the country has "certain words are bad" fetish like an insane nymphomaniac.

At same time, kids swear more than ever before, so it's an issue of parenting more than society.

[Samuel346]

Well since it boils down to language and seeing as how language is clearly a social construct to facilitate communication, the concept of bad words is an idea based upon the need to communicate "negative" concepts.

So then why isn't the word "hate" censored?



At same time, kids swear more than ever before, so it's an issue of parenting more than society.

Ding ding.

[PacoL250]

So then why isn't the word "hate" censored?

I'd gather it's about the degree of negativity attached to the definition of a "bad" word and the word itself.

Plus, look up the word hate (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Hate).

You see the number of contexts in which the word can used? Plus keep in mind, the context in which the word is used has to make sense as well. Many times, vulgarity and swearing tends not to actually make sense in the context it is used in.

While in Zero, that is different, the point is, perhaps a different word can be used instead of "bull****"

I could possibly go on and on, but my better half is a bit more schooled in linguistics than I am and she's not around at the moment to help me :o

[JJStyles]

Of course it'll be censored. It'll be the radio edit, like every other song that has been censored.

[Serpentd]

Of course it'll be censored. It'll be the radio edit, like every other song that has been censored.

Along with a small number of other songs due to the "bad" word not easily recogonized in the song, I have yet to hear a radio edit. At least where I'm from on the largest rock radio station in Denver, CO. So in my case there is no radio edit.:confused:

I usually know the lyrics to songs pretty well and can catch a few slips or misses that haven't been edited for the radio station here. But then again, it's not being Kareokeed. (SP)?

[PCTraitor]

it's not edited on the radio. I think because it's difficult to understand.

[PCTraitor]

Censoring an idea and opinion about god would be the worst type of censorship ever. It's not like censoring a word, it's trying to tell people how to think and what to believe in. It would be basically telling someone what to believe. Should they censor something if they said God is great? If I don't believe in God that could be offensive to me. In fact people that push religion are offensive to me, but it's their right to do it. So anyone that says the "God is empty just like me" line should be edited is a small minded person.

Even though I don't think the song is about religion at all. Please let artistic expression still exist and that includes any religious views or lack thereof.

[instantdeath999]

I have heard the word "****" in a few T games before (Enter the Matrix comes to mind, as do the tony hawk games), so there is hope.

[gunner07]

Sh-t was censored from Why Do You Love Me, along with several Guitar Hero songs from the Harmonix era (Monkey Wrench, Teenagers, Fat Lip). Bullsh-t might slide if they pull an NYPD Blue, but I doubt it.

And while a radio edit of Zero may not exist, a video edit does, in which the word in question is silenced. Feel free to check your Smashing Pumpkins DVD.

[Cranioclash]

:rolleyes:

If anything, I could see why "God damn you half-Japanese girls" would offend someone, not "God is empty, just like me."

Surprise we didn't have a debate about it, oh wait, it was all over the forums.


It all goes back to this idea that certain words are "bad" which is just a stupid concept.

Censor everything, or nothing. There's no half and half. And I feel the same when it comes to vocals. This country needs to get over this words are bad fetish.

Don't like that there's swearing in a song? Don't listen.
I remember my friend's older brother trying this one on me ten years ago.

True, words are arbitrary combinations of sounds to which we have associated meanings. If you go back through Latin, through Proto Indo-European, you basically get back to people generally agreeing that a certain sound means "tree", or somesuch.

To say that no word is "bad" or words don't mean anything isn't being totally accurate. Society has more or less agreed on which words are the bad ones, so it's pretty easy to censor those. You have to look at the lowest common denominator.

I wish I had gotten my coffee before I wrote this.

[jjlee138]

Soooooooo..... Was it edited?

[Traver]

Lets go to the statue of david and rip his pecker off.

[not4you]

Soooooooo..... Was it edited?

yes, there's nothing there where bullsh*t fakers should be.

[admanimal]

yes, there's nothing there where bullsh*t fakers should be.

Umm..in the video that someone just posted of the full band playing, it is definitely NOT censored. The "BS fakers" part is clearly still there.

http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47098

Go to the 2:00 mark in the video.

[DuckDodgers]

Since I have a PS3 I can't answer for sure, but going by the video that ExDBigysmals posted, it seems they left the song unedited and just removed "bulls***" from the lyrics you have to sing.

[Electric_Zen]

Going by the video that ExDBigysmals posted, it seems they left the song unedited and just removed "bulls***" from the lyrics you have to sing.

That's awesome, that's how they did Seven, and I wish they would do all of the songs that way.

So, offended people don't have to see the naughty word on the screen, and regular people don't have to have the flow of the song disrupted by an artificial silence.

[Samuel346]

I remember my friend's older brother trying this one on me ten years ago.

True, words are arbitrary combinations of sounds to which we have associated meanings. If you go back through Latin, through Proto Indo-European, you basically get back to people generally agreeing that a certain sound means "tree", or somesuch.

To say that no word is "bad" or words don't mean anything isn't being totally accurate. Society has more or less agreed on which words are the bad ones, so it's pretty easy to censor those. You have to look at the lowest common denominator.

I wish I had gotten my coffee before I wrote this.


The real question is why are those words bad?

What is the significance of that word?

Do you think people that say ass, f***, s***, ***** etc are more likely to fail in life?

More likely to kill someone?

Go to jail?

I agree, if every other word you use is a swear word, then you look pretty unintelligent, but if you're dumb then isn't it true that it will show in other ways?

I just don't see the justification for it to be labeled off limits.

Don't want your kids saying it? Smack.. their mouths.. they stop pretty quick.

Trust me, I was twelve once, it works.