Lars has humbled me

[Nenni]

Has anyone been able to get through Blackened on drums/hard? I've never had a song bite me in the a** as fast as this one ... suggestions? Please tell me I'm not alone in this, or I will feel like a total loser.

I really don't think it's possible, and I cannot fathom this song on expert.

*Bowing down to Mr. Ulrich*

If I ever got him alone ... well .... *ahem* ... never mind. Eventually I would ask him what exactly he does to move that fast. Unfreakinreal.

[Lanceres218]

i got through on hard but not expert. it had practice it.

[skullpit]

I passed it on hard but my playing was nothing to write home about. Still haven't finished it on expert though.

[Vassago]

I beat it on expert but it took me many many hours of practice mode and playing though the song. We got the metallica pack when it came out and I just beat blackened on expert with a 4* two weeks ago. It took me about a week of hardcore playing to beat blackened on hard but I had already beat the solo tour on hard. The blast beat at the beginning is the really hard part. Once you get though that then the song isn't really too insane until the blast comes back for a few bars. Save your overdrive :)

PSN: Vassago187

[Reveries]

for me this song is really easy on Hard, i get like 99 percent, but on expert its one of the only 2 songs i cant beat on expert. the other being blinded by fear.

[darkangel]

I can do it on hard. just keep up the practice and you will get it.

[Vassago]

for me this song is really easy on Hard, i get like 99 percent, but on expert its one of the only 2 songs i cant beat on expert. the other being blinded by fear.
Haha, I hear you, The only two songs I haven't beat yet are Blinded by Fear, and believe it or not, Truckin'. I cannot for the life of me make my way though that song on expert! :embarassed: Blackened was on that list until I jsut sat down and said, I'm going to play this until I beat it. It was like an hour long practice of the intro blast section. I barely made it though! I was flashing red...very red!

[Nenni]

I'm so glad it isn't just me. So I guess I just need to sit down and not get up until I've made it through. :)

The beginning part IS the killer ..... argh!!! Maybe I should buy that foot pedal thing too. Wonder if that would help?

[LankanLatino]

beat it on expert woot

the funny thing is i didnt take it into practice for hours. just 15 minutes so i can get an idea of the pattern of the bass kicks

on hard - its just about being fast and consistent

[GreyFoxx]

I couldn't beat this song when I first got it. Don't let it bother you though. If you really need to beat it now, then hours of practice is the only way to go. I fail 2-3 times when I first got it and just left it alone. It wasn't until Blinded by Fear come out that I went back to try and beat it. By that time my speed had improved.

I just used the same pattern as Blinded by Fear except slower. What throws you off is the weird bass patter, it makes the song look several times harder. Just forget about keeping a multiplier and hit the bass every other note. That should get you through the beginning.

[depthdefy]

I've always had a hard time with the Metallica DLC. I was stuck on Blackened for eons. Last week I was feeling adventureous and ended up beating it on the first try. I just barely scraped through. By the end of the song I was quite literally sweating trying to not screw up too much. On those difficult songs a good stretegy is to pick your notes. If you don't think you can hit all of the bass notes, for example, then don't try. Just letting the note pass is better for your survival than trying to hit the note and missing it and having the error cost your double. And save your overdrive, for the love of god.

[holmes]

I can do it on meduim no problem, but hard is giving me problems as well, I read somewhere that Lars can only do "Paranoid" on expert on this game, lol..

[Spandrel]

The key for these fast songs where you are playing the kick off the beat is to maintain your tempo. If you get off beat, you will sink from the green to red very quickly on your performance meter.

Starting out at 80% and working on keeping the tempo is key. Master it at the slower tempo and bump it up.

[bruindds]

I have passed it (3* only tho), but what kicks my butt is Ride the Lightning; can't seem to pass that on hard.

[Vassago]

ride the lighting is the hardest hard song. I just skipped it and went to expert. its alot easier on expert for some reason. I just 5 stared it a couple of days ago
The long bass note section kills my leg though during the solo sections :D
Make sure your leg endurance is good before playing Ride the Lightning cause you'll start to sag and drop to the red before you know it!

PS: Oops, thought you were talking about expert. It's still pretty tough on hard cause of the solo section as well.

[SputnikDX]

I can do it on meduim no problem, but hard is giving me problems as well, I read somewhere that Lars can only do "Paranoid" on expert on this game, lol..

Where'd you read that?

[coolcool23]

I've never had problems with the beat, but the tempo on expert is a wrist/arm killer for me. It's the reason I've still been unable to 5* it on expert. Just earlier today I tried it and got the bar to squeak about as close as it would go to 5* without actually being it and I still set a new high score. GRRRRR.

[Paranoia]

Where'd you read that?

He didn't.

[SlivedCupWinner]

Lars is so technical and consistent with his beat. He's like a human metronome. Even if I could beat blackened or RtL on hard/expert, I would still give the props to him.

[deevineh8tred]

yeah beat it on hard but expert, damn im stuck on stupid fall out boy (sorry if u like them, i just dont lol) so blackened is just not happening for a long ass time for me lol

[ZodiacKilla707]

GREATEST drummer of all time!need i say more???

[damienjam]

GREATEST drummer of all time!need i say more???

My god you better be kidding.

And another point, only because I'm a music nerd and my pet peeve is people incorrectly naming techniques :p, neither Blackened nor Blinded By Fear have blast beats in them.

[Vassago]

My god you better be kidding.

And another point, only because I'm a music nerd and my pet peeve is people incorrectly naming techniques :p, neither Blackened nor Blinded By Fear have blast beats in them.
I'm very aware of this but it's the closest thing to quickly describe the section. What would be the correct technical term to describe those sections? The fast part?

[davidshek]

My god you better be kidding.

I certainly hope he's kidding!


And another point, only because I'm a music nerd and my pet peeve is people incorrectly naming techniques :p, neither Blackened nor Blinded By Fear have blast beats in them.

Actually, technically, those are BOTH blast beats. There's lots of different types of blast beats.

http://www.wikihow.com/Play-Blast-Beats-on-the-Drums
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blast_beat
http://store.drumbum.com/drums/drum-videos-drummer-video-solos-blast-beats.htm

That last one is a video of a guy demonstrating a whole bunch of the different variations of the blast beat.


I'm very aware of this but it's the closest thing to quickly describe the section. What would be the correct technical term to describe those sections? The fast part?

You were right right first time. See above :)

[Nenni]

Thanks for the tips guys! I used the advice, played last night, got through it (barely), and today my leg is killing me lol.

For me, yes Lars IS the greatest drummer of all time. There was a poster that said his beats are so technical and precise, and that's so true.

Trying to "find the beat" in a Metallica song is hard because bass follows guitar, vocals support both ... while Lars just does his own thing. It's what works for them, but trying to play it is challenging.

This game has given me a whole new appreciation for what it takes to do what they do.

[damienjam]

I certainly hope he's kidding!



Actually, technically, those are BOTH blast beats. There's lots of different types of blast beats.

http://www.wikihow.com/Play-Blast-Beats-on-the-Drums
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blast_beat
http://store.drumbum.com/drums/drum-videos-drummer-video-solos-blast-beats.htm

That last one is a video of a guy demonstrating a whole bunch of the different variations of the blast beat.



You were right right first time. See above :)

From one of your sources: "Typical blast beats consist of 8th-note patterns between both the bass and snare drum alternately, with the hi-hat or the ride synced."

The snare and bass in those songs aren't fast enough for it to be considered a blast beat. The blasts in the video you linked to, however, are true blast beats. Compare the two, they are vastly different.

[Vassago]

This game has given me a whole new appreciation for what it takes to do what they do....you mean what they used to do! :D (sorry, just had to throw that in there)

Congrats on beating it. I felt so good when I finally beat that song. That's the song everyone want's to see me beat (and RttH) when we gather for groups. It's definitly a good acomplishment

[ledzepboy]

Play the damn song on Hard, and play it until you're around the 98% mark, make sure the 'fast/blast part' comes naturally to you.
Then go play it on expert -when you get to the fast part, disregard all the extra bass kicks that were added to make it Expert and just play it like you would on Hard. You'll come out somewhere in the yellows/red's, but at least you'll get past it. After that it gives you some time to regain your meter strength. save your star power for the other 'fast' parts.
it only took me a day to beat blackened on expert, using this technique.
you're welcome. :D

[TheGodFather73]

GREATEST drummer of all time!need i say more???

While I'm a HUGE Metallica fan (pre-black album anyway), and I think Lars is awesome, he's not the best drummer of all time. Youtube Buddy Rich, check out some of his solos, and then check out some of Lars'. Lars' is good, but sloppy in comparison. Not that I wouldn't be happy being able to play half as good as Lars, but Buddy has got him beat by a long shot.

[GreyFoxx]

Dont forget about Keith Moon.

[Nenni]

LedZepBoy - great advice. I'll try that next .... Mabber, are you talking about Neil Peart of Rush? For real?

I don't want to start a big debate, because taste in music is such a personal thing ... but the thought of comparing Neil to Lars is something I can't handle without alcohol. :)

[skullpit]

Neila Peart is definitely the better drummer of the two. Any real drummer will tell you that.

[BYC]

I always get 4 stars on Hard after getting used to it. I have much more problems with Medium for some odd reason. Of course, Expert will probably kick my ass.

[Nenni]

Neila Peart is definitely the better drummer of the two. Any real drummer will tell you that.

I'm not a real drummer (but I play one on Rock band heehee). What I am is a real music lover. As such, to my ears, Lars is far, far far better.

Certainly not discounting that there aren't other great drummers out there, but I swear I can't think of anyone else in his league.

The Iron Maiden drummer is good, even though I never really listened to them before this game.

[skullpit]

I'm not a real drummer (but I play one on Rock band heehee). What I am is a real music lover. As such, to my ears, Lars is far, far far better.

Certainly not discounting that there aren't other great drummers out there, but I swear I can't think of anyone else in his league.

The Iron Maiden drummer is good, even though I never really listened to them before this game.

Well you're entitled to your opinion. Even if it's wrong.:p

[hamsterstyle]

While I'm a HUGE Metallica fan (pre-black album anyway), and I think Lars is awesome, he's not the best drummer of all time. Youtube Buddy Rich, check out some of his solos, and then check out some of Lars'. Lars' is good, but sloppy in comparison. Not that I wouldn't be happy being able to play half as good as Lars, but Buddy has got him beat by a long shot.

He's not even in the top 500 drummers of all-time, IMO. I'm a fan of pre-Black Metallica as well and while Lars is a very important drummer as far as the genre is concerned, he's a solid "decent" as far as ability goes.


To the OP, just stick with it, eventually after enough practice you'll develop the speed to be competitive on it.

And, yeah, I do ok at it. :)



Blackened (PS3):
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[Paranoia]

I'm not a real drummer (but I play one on Rock band heehee). What I am is a real music lover. As such, to my ears, Lars is far, far far better.

Certainly not discounting that there aren't other great drummers out there, but I swear I can't think of anyone else in his league.

The Iron Maiden drummer is good, even though I never really listened to them before this game.

Are you ****ing kidding me??

Lars drum solo (which he rarely ever does, did this time cuz they were filming)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8avgd-i9QGU

Neil Peart solo (look at his drumkit, also he plays drum solos every show.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Df_1r6iNC8

All Lars does is play same generic beat, fast. Where has Peart plays fast, technical and much more diversely.

Oh and Neil Peart is 56 years old and still can play like a madman. Lars is only 45, and he has a tough time playing live. IE - Doesn't play fills, doesn't play fast double bass parts and worst of all, he has troubles keeping in timing sometimes.

[skullpit]

Are you ****ing kidding me??

Lars drum solo (which he rarely ever does, did this time cuz they were filming)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8avgd-i9QGU

Neil Peart solo (look at his drumkit, also he plays drum solos every show.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Df_1r6iNC8

All Lars does is play same generic beat, fast. Where has Peart plays fast, technical and much more diversely.

Oh and Neil Peart is 56 years old and still can play like a madman. Lars is only 45, and he has a tough time playing live. IE - Doesn't play fills, doesn't play fast double bass parts and worst of all, he has troubles keeping in timing sometimes.

Thank you.

[hamsterstyle]

Are you ****ing kidding me??

Lars drum solo (which he rarely ever does, did this time cuz they were filming)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8avgd-i9QGU

Neil Peart solo (look at his drumkit, also he plays drum solos every show.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Df_1r6iNC8

All Lars does is play same generic beat, fast. Where has Peart plays fast, technical and much more diversely.

Oh and Neil Peart is 56 years old and still can play like a madman. Lars is only 45, and he has a tough time playing live. IE - Doesn't play fills, doesn't play fast double bass parts and worst of all, he has troubles keeping in timing sometimes.

You're talking about someone that doesn't really have a concept of the skill differential in each drummer, but that's not really his fault. He just likes the sound of Lars' drumming more than Peart's. It's like someone saying Kurt Cobain is a better guitarist than Jimi Hendrix because you're a fan of his songs. Anyone who plays or knows drumming whatsoever is fully aware that Lars isn't anywhere in the same league as Peart. The two just aren't comparible.

[xerichx07]

I beat it on Expert, but my score was only about somewhere around 90-93 it was pretty bad.

However, this is the only song that he is good at drumming at, other than Battery and Fight Fire With Fire. It seems that Track 01 of most of the 80's Metallica albums always have nice drumming.

He is overrated, though. At The Gates deserves more attention than this chump, really!

[FlameSama1]

And to think he was going to be a tennis player instead...

[xerichx07]

And to think he was going to be a tennis player instead...

I think he should of, it would be very funny, but he would just go back to drumming anyway. The sad thing is, most progressive metal bands drum circles around him (tool included)

[davidshek]

Lars is only 45, and he has a tough time playing live. IE - Doesn't play fills, doesn't play fast double bass parts and worst of all, he has troubles keeping in timing sometimes.

It's called "studio magic", my friend. Metallica uses a LOT of it. When I first started playing drums, it was 1990 and I was naturally a fan of Lars' drumming, mostly because I didn't know any better at the time.

But everything after the black album and the stories I've heard in the studio about everything they fake while recording has taught me loads about Lars' "ability".

The fast sextuplets in "One"? Yep, he didn't play those either. He tried, but just couldn't get it right. So he played it on the floor tom and they used a process called "character replacement" to replace the floor tom sounds with kick drum sounds.

The reason he can't play that stuff Live is because he didn't even play it in the studio :p

[FlameSama1]

Neil Peart owns any drummers you can mention.

[xerichx07]

Neil Peart owns any drummers you can mention.

Yes, he does. I was just saying that tool's drummer even has more skill than Lars.

Neil Peart is the best, because Buddy Rich is dead... I wish that he wasn't though.

[Nenni]

Okay boys. First of all, I'm a she, not a he. Second of all, it doesn't matter to me if Neil Peart is 15 or 50 - there is no passion, no energy and no creativity behind his music. Lars has a lock on all those things, and I'll take that any day of the week.

Third, look at the numbers. Say what you want about popular bands, but they are popular for a reason. Metallica wasn't number one forever because of studio magic.

I might be biased because there are few groups I dislike more than Rush (maybe AC/DC or Yes). Simplistic lyrics, childish, random rhythm ... ugh. They obviously have something, because people like them.

Just not me. Sorry - I'm not trying to flame anyone, but I don't need to know about technicalities to know what I like.

[FlameSama1]

Their both godly drummers.

There, QED.

[Zeleii]

The reason Metallica is so great.... James on vocals, his range and unique sound makes the band practically, and his Rhythm Playing and the solos during One

Kirk Hammet, IMO he is one of the great living metal guitarists... IMO better than Slash... you know there is a reason Joe Satriani gave him lessons ;p

Cliff Burton made Metallica truly great... Listen to Blackened, Ride the Lightning, Master of Puppets, One... then listen to Enter Sandman... you can tell the bass parts apart due to Cliff didnt play bass on the black album becuase he was dead... and in metal Bassists are a very important part to a band... well in Rock they are but w/e

Lars - He's an OK drummer he just keeps going, but he talks a lot of sh*t and very rarely backs it up...

So essentially, James, Kirk and Cliff made Metallica what they are... after Cliff died thier bassists and Lars were along for the ride... ;p :p:p

[davidshek]

Just not me. Sorry - I'm not trying to flame anyone, but I don't need to know about technicalities to know what I like.

That's fine, and you're entitled to your opinion. If you want to say "I like Lars better than Peart", you are welcome to say so and nobody can argue with that because it's your opinion. They might disagree, but hey, this is teh Internets :)

But if you say "Lars is a better drummer than Peart", you're gonna get an argument from anybody who knows anything about music theory or drumming. :)

/Portnoy ftw

[Zeleii]

That's fine, and you're entitled to your opinion. If you want to say "I like Lars better than Peart", you are welcome to say so and nobody can argue with that because it's your opinion. They might disagree, but hey, this is teh Internets :)

But if you say "Lars is a better drummer than Peart", you're gonna get an argument from anybody who knows anything about music theory or drumming. :)

/Portnoy ftw

But not better than Peart or Bonham ;p

[Greg_R]

One tip for Blackened is to focus on the downbeat during the fast section... try hitting the drum a little harder on the downbeats to enhance the focus. Alternatively, mentally make the red snare the downbeat and play the rest of the drum part around that. I use my right hand on red to help with this. The transitions are a bit harder but you'll be solid during the off-beat section. The final tip is skipped notes are penalized much less than hitting a wrong note. If you are off and hitting the kick and snare at the wrong time then you will die quickly.

[Toked Up Cow]

metallica

singer - true metal
bassist - faster than a fat kid running for a twinky
guitarist - one of the gods
drummer - ORGASMIC

[hamsterstyle]

Okay boys. First of all, I'm a she, not a he. Second of all, it doesn't matter to me if Neil Peart is 15 or 50 - there is no passion, no energy and no creativity behind his music. Lars has a lock on all those things, and I'll take that any day of the week.

Just not me. Sorry - I'm not trying to flame anyone, but I don't need to know about technicalities to know what I like.

You're confusing two different things. You can say, "it's not my style" or "I like Lars' drumming more", those are opinions and you're entitled to those. To say, Peart's drumming is passionless and lacks creativity is not only ignorant, but just flat out wrong. I'm sorry, but it is. You very obviously don't know anything about drumming. And I'm not saying that to be a jerk, but being better at Tom Sawyer than you are at Blackened on Rock Band just doesn't mean anything. I'm not trying to flame you, but you just have to be aware that you're talking about a subject you don't know a whole lot about, with people who do, so just be aware, state opinions and no one can argue with you, but make untrue statements and expect some grief.




/Portnoy ftw

Portnoy is overrated as well, IMO.

[Nenni]

Hamsterstyle - is that from Orgasmo? LOL ... awesome if it is.

Of course I can say that Peart has no passion behind his playing. Yes, it is an opinion, and no, it doesn't matter how much I do or don't know about drumming.

The key is that you shouldn't have to be an expert in drum techniques to recognize passion or creativity. A great musician makes everyone hear it.

And I know that being better at Tom Sawyer than Blackened means nothing. Give me some credit. :)

Greg_R, thanks for the info. I'll try that too.

[Brown]

i only did blackened on medium lol and i said holy sht thats why lars is the greatest

[PaperMario21]

beat blackened on expert :D

[Zeleii]

I almost 5 starred Blackened earlier, I missed by lik 4k... I cried =(

[ThyDemise]

Hamsterstyle - is that from Orgasmo? LOL ... awesome if it is.

Of course I can say that Peart has no passion behind his playing. Yes, it is an opinion, and no, it doesn't matter how much I do or don't know about drumming.

The key is that you shouldn't have to be an expert in drum techniques to recognize passion or creativity. A great musician makes everyone hear it.

And I know that being better at Tom Sawyer than Blackened means nothing. Give me some credit. :)

Greg_R, thanks for the info. I'll try that too.


passion is not something you (or anybody) can judge, youre not the one behind the kit pounding away or putting thought to which cymbal would best accent a certain part of a riff. and "A great musician makes everyone hear it" is a ridiculous statement. no matter how great you are or how much time and effort you put in to making something the greatest it can be, theres always going to be someone that wont get it, thats life. that doesnt mean its passionless

[BYC]

One can like something but know it's not the best thing in the world. Not everything a person likes is actually good. I like plenty of crappy movies for the hilarity factor, but I'm not gonna claim those are actually good movies. You can like Lars more than Neil, but Neil is the better drummer.

[Tiberiouslb]

Lars isn't the greatest drummer by any stretch of the imagination. He's solid and has done what he had to to make Metallica one of the greatest metal bands ever.

Rather than bashing his prowess, I just appreciate how he helped create the sounds and style of Metallica. Metallica would've never happened without Lars.

Portney and Peart are definitely near the top of technical drummers, but sometimes I think they get too much credit for the size of their kits and not how they use it.

[hamsterstyle]

Hamsterstyle - is that from Orgasmo? LOL ... awesome if it is.


Ok, I'm gonna leave you alone since you got the reference. You've re-established yourself as cool, so I'll just bite my lip about the rest of your comments. :p



Portney and Peart are definitely near the top of technical drummers, but sometimes I think they get too much credit for the size of their kits and not how they use it.

Peart actually went through a period in the 80's where he was playing a very small kit. He finally went back to the big one's after Rush fans complained enough.

As I said before, Portnoy is overrated in my opinion. Very good functional drummer, has a good grasp on time signatures, but has never overly impressed me. His clinics are "meh" at best. But again, that's all relative. I'm talking about putting him in the category of the best of the best. He's still 100x better than Lars. (Sorry Nenni). lol.

[TheGodFather73]

Cliff Burton made Metallica truly great... Listen to Blackened, Ride the Lightning, Master of Puppets, One... then listen to Enter Sandman... you can tell the bass parts apart due to Cliff didnt play bass on the black album becuase he was dead... and in metal Bassists are a very important part to a band... well in Rock they are but w/e

So essentially, James, Kirk and Cliff made Metallica what they are... after Cliff died thier bassists and Lars were along for the ride... ;p :p:p

IMO, what killed Metallica's albums after Justice was Bob Rock coming in to be the producer. Cliff died before Justice was even begun, so he didn't have too much influence on that album unless they had a few songs already written beforehand. The difference between the 'two' Metallicas is pre-black album, they were THE heavy or speed metal band. After, they became THE pop metal band. It all went downhill when Bob Rock started producing them. It made them hugely popular, but the quality of their music declined sharply and they lost almost all their energy, to me anyways.

[davidshek]

The difference between the 'two' Metallicas is pre-black album, they were THE heavy or speed metal band. After, they became THE pop metal band.

Totally agree with you about Bob Rock = the death of old Metallica.

But I don't agree with your classification. Old Metallica was Thrash Metal through and through, in the same vein as Slayer, Megadeth, Anthrax, etc. Not speed metal.

[superchud]

I think Neil should quit playing the drums during his solos and walk around the stage dropping F bombs instead now thats passion. :rolleyes:

[TheGodFather73]

Totally agree with you about Bob Rock = the death of old Metallica.

But I don't agree with your classification. Old Metallica was Thrash Metal through and through, in the same vein as Slayer, Megadeth, Anthrax, etc. Not speed metal.

It seems like we have the same taste in music; I'm just not saavy with the classifications I suppose. I lump all those groups together also. As far as all the sub-genres in metal, I don't know them. I just know what I like and what I don't. I DON'T like post-Justice Metallica (with a few exceptions). I DO like almost every Kill 'Em All to Justice song though. :)

[Nenni]

Ok, I'm gonna leave you alone since you got the reference. You've re-established yourself as cool, so I'll just bite my lip about the rest of your comments. :p


I love that movie. :D

It's so funny - I find myself tearing down parts of songs now, whereas before I just listened to the song as a whole. It's amazing how an opinion can change.

I'm a HUGE Foo Fighters fan, and consider Dave Grohl one of the most underrated musicians around. But when I really listen to Nirvana, I don't think he showcased his talent well with them. He's much better on vocals and guitar.


TheGodfather73
The difference between the 'two' Metallicas is pre-black album, they were THE heavy or speed metal band. After, they became THE pop metal band. It all went downhill when Bob Rock started producing them. It made them hugely popular, but the quality of their music declined sharply and they lost almost all their energy, to me anyways.

"Declined sharply" is a bit harsh. Metallica evolves - that is their staying power. There aren't many bands that have been around as long as they have without changing their sound at least a little.

I haven't noticed a decrease in quality. Just a difference in style. "....And Justice For All" is without a doubt my favorite album, and I didn't get into the "St. Anger" days much at all. Doesn't mean they are any better or worse than they were before ... just a little different.

[TheGodFather73]

"Declined sharply" is a bit harsh. Metallica evolves - that is their staying power. There aren't many bands that have been around as long as they have without changing their sound at least a little.

I haven't noticed a decrease in quality. Just a difference in style. "....And Justice For All" is without a doubt my favorite album, and I didn't get into the "St. Anger" days much at all. Doesn't mean they are any better or worse than they were before ... just a little different.

True, it's all opinion I suppose. In my opinion though, they are not anywhere near as good as they used to be in their Kill 'em All - AJFA days. I will also make an assumption here that I'm probably at least 5-10 years older than you, and got hooked on old school Metallica when AJFA came out. If I was younger and got hooked on them in their post-black album days, I might have a different opinion of them.

[davidshek]

heres a drummer that way better than lars at his own songs

While I greatly enjoy many of Vadrum's videos (his Super Mario Bros one totally kicks ass), I don't like his Medleys.

This one, the Dream Theater one, etc.

Why? You're not hearing him actually playing. You see him playing, but what you're hearing is the actual song. So he could be screwing up all over the place but you'd never know cause you can't hear his drums.

[Torturas]

heres a drummer that way better than lars at his own songs


I don't quite know how you can state that when the audio is Lars.

[skullpit]

I saw Metallica 3 times. Twice in 91 and once in 92. He most certainly played the double bass in ONE all three shows. And he did a drum solo for all 3 shows also.

[skullpit]

maybe, but can he do this

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Thanks for the video. I've seen some of his other videos and never saw this one.:D

[Nenni]

Ozzfest is only in Dallas this year, and only for one day (BOO!!). So this means I'm flying from Ohio to Texas - in August, where I'm sure it will only be 3000 degrees - so I can see Metallica live for the first time.

I promise to listen closely for the double bass, and to be objective. :)

BTW Godfather ... I'm 36. Around the same age maybe?

Madder: Yes, of course I'm serious (re: Dave Grohl), and I can't hear that guy you posted playing anything. Thanks for posting it though - I'll try to hear it at home where my speakers are better.

[ecfirefighter]

I can't stand Metallica but my god... you have to give credit where credit is due. I also bow to Mr. Lars....

[TheGodFather73]

BTW Godfather ... I'm 36. Around the same age maybe?

Lol, yup, you've actually got me by two years :-) So much for assumptions! Usually most people who prefer their new stuff to the old on these boards tend to be the younger crowd, which is why I figured you were younger than me. Ah well... From Ohio also, me too (Gahanna - by Columbus).

[Torturas]

dude, read the thread. lars used a floor tom to acheive the double bass sound you hear. the guy in the video is doing it for real. and other people have said lars couldnt do the double bass right in concert, which is the true test of a muscian.

I did read the thread....

I'm just saying that claiming this guy is better than Lars by the way he looks to be doing it, when drums are about the sound they make, is maybe a tad off.

I don't have a video of Lars recording any of the songs used in that medley, so I can't be sure if he does use a floor tom, as you say. Either way, that's the way it was done, there's no right or wrong about it.:)

[lawrence1103]

i'm gonna go see Metallica this saturday, i can't wait

[Nenni]

Lol, yup, you've actually got me by two years :-) So much for assumptions! Usually most people who prefer their new stuff to the old on these boards tend to be the younger crowd, which is why I figured you were younger than me. Ah well... From Ohio also, me too (Gahanna - by Columbus).

GodFather, I'm in Columbus too ... you aren't the guy I played online the other night, are you?

Yes, Madder, I can see. Doesn't mean much if I can't hear the drums. Kind of like watching someone play air guitar, don't you think?

[m00p]

Lars may talk too much trash, but he can play the drums better then anyone i've heard. I would compare him to drummers like neil peart, maybe even higher if it wasn't for his stuck-up attitude. Axl Rose and Lars Ulrich are probably the most trashed musicians in history. They just say what's in their mind.

[kazlam]

i'm gonna go see Metallica this saturday, i can't wait

my buddy out in orange county is going to the weenie roast, too. enjoy the show!

[hamsterstyle]

Lars may talk too much trash, but he can play the drums better then anyone i've heard.

You haven't heard much.

[lawrence1103]

my buddy out in orange county is going to the weenie roast, too. enjoy the show!

i sure will!

[TheGodFather73]

GodFather, I'm in Columbus too ... you aren't the guy I played online the other night, are you?


Probably not, unless you are friends with someone else I play with occassionally. I rarely go online and play with people I don't know. My gamertag is the same as my name here though, so if it was the same I suppose it was me :-)

[m00p]

You haven't heard much.

Not really. I've heard most all the talented drummers. Drummers that just wail away (travis barker?) don't really count.

[Zeleii]

Probably not, unless you are friends with someone else I play with occassionally. I rarely go online and play with people I don't know. My gamertag is the same as my name here though, so if it was the same I suppose it was me :-)

By the way Godfather you said most people who like thier newers stuff are of the younger crowd, yes I liked Load and Reload it had a nice sound, but for Metallica hell no! St. Anger is why I wanna see thier new album, Lars said the album will be taking it's sound from a certain decade starting with an 8 and for that I am psyched.... AJFA, Kill em All, Master of Puppets, Ride the Lightning all sexy xD and delicious I would like this next album to be like them ;p

BTW I'm 16