Drums on Orange Crush

[axe990]

I was just thinking, that since orange crush has double high hat going, will the high hat be the pad farthest left and the snare as the second drum. It would be impossible to have it the other way around. Any thoughts?

[army_of_me]

I'm guessing they'll go for the most natural feeling drum pattern, which is probably the one you described.

[Emo_Reaper]

What do you mean doubl Hi Hat,like closed and open?

[axe990]

What do you mean doubl Hi Hat,like closed and open?

no, sixteenth notes

[Bakkster]

no, sixteenth notes

In that case, hopefully they put it like this. Since they flipped the pads because crossovers were impossible, my assumption is that when you are no longer crossing over, they would use a more "real-world" layout. We'll just have to wait for a video, won't we?

[Emo_Reaper]

No,you play sixteenth notes just on the yellow. It goes Red(Snare)-Yellow-(Hi Hat) Blue(tom,fill,etc) Green-Crash,ending.

[army_of_me]

No,you play sixteenth notes just on the yellow. It goes Red(Snare)-Yellow-(Hi Hat) Blue(tom,fill,etc) Green-Crash,ending.

Hopefully they don't get too strict with that, though. I mean... that's not how most drummers would play it.

[Emo_Reaper]

What are you talkin about? You mean pad position?

[Bakkster]

No,you play sixteenth notes just on the yellow. It goes Red(Snare)-Yellow-(Hi Hat) Blue(tom,fill,etc) Green-Crash,ending.

Yeah, that's never been quite codified as strictly as you say (unless you saw similar patterns when you played it, in which case I apologize and blame you for not telling us :p ). For example: flams are hitting two adjacent pads simultaneously, whereas in actuality you would be hitting the same drum. So red-yellow could be a snare flam, not snare+hi-hat.

Of course, I have no proof of this so we'll still have to wait for a video.

[Emo_Reaper]

I understand what you mean kinda,but still dont understand. I beleive there was sixteenth in Tom Sawyer.I've played every single song on the demo track on drums..

[ThePaska]

From what I have heard before, pad arrangements will be done according to how each song will be, so if you are frequently hitting one drum, that will most likely be the furthest left pad, which is the one typically most used it seems in Rock Band.

[army_of_me]

If there's any video of "The Hand That Feeds", I think that one has a similar thing going.

[Bakkster]

I understand what you mean kinda,but still dont understand. I beleive there was sixteenth in Tom Sawyer.I've played every single song on the demo track on drums..

I can only think of 8th notes on the hi-hat. Regardless, it sounds to me like he's playing the hi-hat with one hand the whole time.

[JesusSilencio]

I understand what you mean kinda,but still dont understand. I beleive there was sixteenth in Tom Sawyer.I've played every single song on the demo track on drums..

Yeah, but on Tom Sawyer the sixteenth notes are slow enough that you can play them with one hand. As far as I can tell, Neil Peart plays those sixteenth notes with one hand. With orange crush, it would be way too fast to play with one hand.

[BiffMan]

Can't recall what exactly, but I thought we've seen 16th notes played on the same pad before in at least one video and if it's fast enough, I'd guess that you'd have to use both hands on the same pad. I'm not a drummer so I don't know, but would you never use both sticks on the same drum in real life?

[KeithSkins]

[drum snob]

Flams aren't hitting two drums at the same time... a flam is a note with a single (generally much more quiet) grace note in front of it. It can be across two drums, but they're more often played on one drum.

For what it's worth... :)

[/drum snob]

[Bakkster]

[drum snob]

Flams aren't hitting two drums at the same time... a flam is a note with a single (generally much more quiet) grace note in front of it. It can be across two drums, but they're more often played on one drum.

For what it's worth... :)

[/drum snob]

That's what I meant, I'll clarify my earlier post:


For example: flams in-game are hitting two adjacent pads simultaneously, whereas in actuality you would be hitting the same drum. So red-yellow could be a snare flam, not snare+hi-hat.

[army_of_me]

[drum snob]

Flams aren't hitting two drums at the same time... a flam is a note with a single (generally much more quiet) grace note in front of it. It can be across two drums, but they're more often played on one drum.

For what it's worth... :)

[/drum snob]

I think that's what he was saying...


I'm not a drummer so I don't know, but would you never use both sticks on the same drum in real life?

Drummers definitely do use both sticks on the same drum.

I think the original issue was, in pretty much every video so far, the snare is played on the left-most pad and the hi-hat on the 2nd pad.

But for a song like Orange Crush, in real life a (right-handed) drummer would probably be playing both hands on the hi-hat with the right-hand playing the snare.

So that means for Rock Band, to get a natural feel, they would have to switch the hi-hat to the left pad and the snare to the 2nd pad, so they'd be reversed.... Too :confused: ?

[KeithSkins]

I agree that mapping it as you guys describe would be the most intuitive way to handle it... I'm sure that's the way it will be. I can't imagine them asking you to cross over or go left-hand lead.

[Emo_Reaper]

Ok,Im sorry.I get it now,lol.I listened to the song again.So I know now..=P Yea.thats pretty fast,Im not sure how they would do it.

[axe990]

I understand what you mean kinda,but still dont understand. I beleive there was sixteenth in Tom Sawyer.I've played every single song on the demo track on drums..

yea but tom sawyer is slower and therefore it is possible to play the sixteenths with one hand, unlike in Orange Crush where it is played with two (look in the video and you can even see the drumer guy going double high hat.)

EDIT: ok somebody said this EXACT thing. Sorry, i jumped the gun.. :(