What Is This???!!!

[AeroZeppelinSevenfold]

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/52650

GHIV with character maker, guitar maker, SONG maker, oh, and drums.

and most important of all:THEY HAVE VAN HALEN!!!!!! all hope is lost..... i hope this isn't true.

does the gameinformer magazine lie?

[Solid_Snake]

Well, depending on the quality of the song charts, I can really see myself at least checking out the game. Competition doesn't really hurt us. In fact this will only motivate HMX to step up their game.

[Knights_of_Ni]

I'm going to burn Activision to the ground if they don't make the RB drums and guitar compatible with GHIV because I do belive it will be taking my money.

[Solid_Snake]

I'm going to burn Activision to the ground if they don't make the RB drums and guitar compatible with GHIV because I do belive it will be taking my money.
I seriously doubt they will even attempt to do that. The rock band strat didn't work with GHIII and not to mention the whole stopping the patch from being released. The only hope I have is that MS will force the game to be compatible with the RB instruments on the xbox360. I really don't know what will happen with the PS3 version.

[AeroZeppelinSevenfold]

i agree with you guys. i'll buy it if they are compatible, but if they aren't i'm going to be mad, and its going to be a hard decision to make.

DAMN YOU ACTIVISION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad:

[schmeankman]

http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49420

[davidshek]

FTA:


As relayed by trustworthy NeoGAF user SolidSnakeX,

Who? :rolleyes:

[Akuryu]

There is a pic of the GH drums in the magazine and its clear they are doing things a bit differently. They have 3 main drums, 2 cymbols, and the foot pedal. That's one more method of input than the RB drums, meaning RB drums will definitely not work in GHIV.

On a side note, they look really well designed. Say what you will, but RO makes really good hardware :/

[Angelus897]

Interesting.... Harmonix had the song creation feature back in Amplitude.

[burnsy87]

the eagles, sublime, van halen...why cant we get any of this...SUBLIME!! There has been a HUGE number of requests for sublime. It just makes me mad becuase it IS POSSIBLE to get these artists, they just choose not to. Theres no way im spending another 180 bucks for this game but if the guitars and vocals work(being that the previous poster mentioned the drum problem), ill probably pick this up.

[Serpentd]

There is a pic of the GH drums in the magazine and its clear they are doing things a bit differently. They have 3 main drums, 2 cymbols, and the foot pedal. That's one more method of input than the RB drums, meaning RB drums will definitely not work in GHIV.

On a side note, they look really well designed. Say what you will, but RO makes really good hardware :/

Dude a quick question please. In regards to the 2 cymbals, I'm hoping one is a hihat, anyway are they repositional. Meaning can I set up these drums like a normal drum set with the hihat on the left of the snare drum so you can cross over you arms and play it normal? Can you tell by the picture? I would really like to know this question. Maybe I'll just go and buy the mag. But let me know if you can tell. Thank you.:)

To me this is sounding pretty promising and looks like I will be all over this. So far it sounds like good music, good periphrials and hopefully good game play. Not to mention Activision or whomever seems to know what the gamer wants music wise. Sounds like they are attacking this with everything they have which is killer! I'm personally way stoked.

Also, I don't give a rats ass if the RB stuff is compatable or not, With the money I've had to spend to get my drums up to par, it would be nice to have a good drum controller. Plus cymbals...HELL YEAH! I know for a fact that they will include DLC as well. That's where the residual income comes into play. If it has a superior drum controller then my decision is allready made.

I did read a few weeks back that they (some Activision CEO dude or whoever) mentioned that their drum controller was going to be SUPERIOR to that of RB. From the sounds of it, I think he wasn't exagerating. But only time will tell.

EDIT: Who is RO? I'm not to keen on all the gaming companies. Thanks!

[Gryffindor]

I sincerely hope that the Eagles and Van Halen didn't sign exclusivitiy agreements. They are both truly wanted and needed in RB.

There's no way that I'm going to purchase this. I have invested way too much money into RB to jump ship. I also don't want my guest room filled up with game peripherals!

There's no way that RO/Activision is going to make anything crosscompatible, especially with them blocking the PS3 guitar patch (which would have sold more of their own guitars - idiots).

What does concern me is that MS paid to push back the EU PS3 release of RB. Now, it is possible that GHIV could take away that market. Bad business move HMX.

[davidshek]

There is a pic of the GH drums in the magazine and its clear they are doing things a bit differently. They have 3 main drums, 2 cymbols, and the foot pedal.

Are you sure you didn't see a picture of a Drummania controller? ;)

http://www.deltaeg.com.tr/images2/drummania5.jpg

[Chthonic]

I don't know about the rest of you, but I instantly lost some of my enthusiasm for GHIV when I spotted the words "Linkin Park". Right next to "Van Halen", none the less.

Oh well, at least Activision realize that people want these games to be more modular in design.

[shwingles]

umm why r u guys upset about this? its awesome, you shouldnt just only play rockband thats just dumb. And whats this about competition? why the hell do you freaking care wether there is competition and your game maby does a little worse? you dont work for hmx, seriously thats just dumb.

[Xerosnake90]

They have Linkin Park, it's sold for me already. The standalone copy at least. Maybe the guitar as well.

[Solid_Snake]

EDIT: Who is RO? I'm not to keen on all the gaming companies. Thanks!

RO stands for Red Octane, the makers of the guitars in the Guitar Hero franchise.


Are you sure you didn't see a picture of a Drummania controller?

I doubt it. I've heard the drummania drums are really well built. The japs are usually really good with design. If anything, this means RO knows what they are doing with the drums!


I don't know about the rest of you, but I instantly lost some of my enthusiasm for GHIV when I spotted the words "Linkin Park". Right next to "Van Halen", none the less.

I dunno what your trying to say. There are plenty of people who want LP. This just means that Activision is trying to please as many people as they can, which is a good thing.


umm why r u guys upset about this? its awesome, you shouldnt just only play rockband thats just dumb. And whats this about competition? why the hell do you freaking care wether there is competition and your game maby does a little worse? you dont work for hmx, seriously thats just dumb.

I agree, competition is only good for us. There is no need for people to cry about it. I love HMX but I can't deny when I see something good. If Activision does come up with a superior game, I can see myself moving to the GH franchise. We'll just have to wait and see. Hopefully HMX steps it up so I won't have to spend more money.

[rifteroftime]

The only way I would see myself buying this is if RB peripherals were compatible (unlikely) or if GH4 had an awesome setlist. Considering I wasn't fond of GH3's setlist, I'm guessing I won't really like GH4's setlist.

[Serpentd]

umm why r u guys upset about this? its awesome, you shouldnt just only play rockband thats just dumb. And whats this about competition? why the hell do you freaking care wether there is competition and your game maby does a little worse? you dont work for hmx, seriously thats just dumb.

Dude, I'm not upset. In fact quite the opposite. I ready to play this new game NOW. I already have RB and everything it has to offer.

Getting a new game is like starting the whole thing all over again, but perhaps even be more fun. Hard to say at this point. And as far as Linkin Park, no I'm not a huge fan or anything, but at least I've heard of them and even know their music somewhat. Hell, just look at the songs of theirs on You Tube, the average "view #" was in the 5-10 million catagory. That says something about their popularity. Not to mention it shows that Activision seeks out the popular stuff it appears.

So regardless if it's a band you like, It shows promise that they aren't affraid to go in for the big names. And honestly if HMX doesn't end up having access to some of these bands because of this, who's fault is that really? Pretty common sence to me. The writting is on the wall from my point of view on this GH4 game. They are far from stupid that's for sure, plus they actually seem to be listening to what gamers are wanting in a music game such as this. Unfortuneatly it's easier to copy a game the invent the thing. This goes with pretty much everything in the world of competition. And it a wonderful thing. For the gamers anyway in this case.:)

So yeah, I'm way stoked for this game to come out. After all, it just might end up being the better game overall. Hard to say in this early stage. But I'm liking what I'm hearing regarless.:)

[Solid_Snake]

Dude, I'm not upset. In fact quite the opposite. I ready to play this new game NOW. I already have RB and everything it has to offer.

Getting a new game is like starting the whole thing all over again, but perhaps even be more fun. Hard to say at this point. And as far as Linkin Park, no I'm not a huge fan or anything, but at least I've heard of them and even know their music somewhat. Hell, just look at the songs of theirs on You Tube, the average "view #" was in the 5-10 million catagory. That says something about their popularity. Not to mention it shows that Activision seeks out the popular stuff it appears.

So regardless if it's a band you like, It shows promise that they aren't affraid to go in for the big names. And honestly if HMX doesn't end up having access to some of these bands because of this, who's fault is that really? Pretty common sence to me. The writting is on the wall from my point of view on this GH4 game. They are far from stupid that's for sure, plus they actually seem to be listening to what gamers are wanting in a music game such as this. Unfortuneatly it's easier to copy a game the invent the thing. This goes with pretty much everything in the world of competition. And it a wonderful thing. For the gamers anyway in this case.:)

So yeah, I'm way stoked for this game to come out. After all, it just might end up being the better game overall. Hard to say in this early stage. But I'm liking what I'm hearing regarless.:)
Couldn't have said it better myself!

I'm really liking what I'm seeing, at first there was hardly any chance of me getting the game, but now its definitely a possibility. If they make a superior game that is good for us, and if they aren't able to surpass Rock Band we lose nothing.

[Xerosnake90]

I just realize I get to sing LP O.O;!

Bye bye Rock band, I have no need for you. Unless you release songs I really want, it looks like I'm hopping back to GH.

[Serpentd]

RO stands for Red Octane, the makers of the guitars in the Guitar Hero franchise.



I doubt it. I've heard the drummania drums are really well built. The japs are usually really good with design. If anything, this means RO knows what they are doing with the drums!



I dunno what your trying to say. There are plenty of people who want LP. This just means that Activision is trying to please as many people as they can, which is a good thing.



I agree, competition is only good for us. There is no need for people to cry about it. I love HMX but I can't deny when I see something good. If Activision does come up with a superior game, I can see myself moving to the GH franchise. We'll just have to wait and see. Hopefully HMX steps it up so I won't have to spend more money.


Dude, thanks for answering my "RO" question. Now I feel like an idiot because I should have know that. Oh well. I just wanted to say thank you!

Seems as though you and I have similar outlooks to this game comming out and I agree with what you've been posting. Makes total sense to me. It's not like I'm a sponsored gamer and have to have my loyalty to anyone. It's my money that gets spent either way. So yeah, bring on the competition!;):D

Thanks again Solid_Snake.:)

[PacoL250]

Clearly it's too too early to say which game you will prefer over the other; GH IV isn't even out yet, so how can anybody say that anyways?

My loyalty is to my money and a product that is well made. So if GH IV rectifies everything I did not like about GH III and makes RB look and feel obsolete, I'll move to GH IV. Otherwise I stick with RB.

However, it's all about the money isn't it? I really don't want to shell out more than $100 for the game and peripherals. Granted, in this aspect, it makes my idea of keeping the GH III Les Paul that much more intelligent as I assume that will work with GH IV.

Hey if that works, then I might just stick with GH IV for vocals, guitar and bass and keep RB for the band experience. Heck, that's the key thing here:

The whole "rock band experience."

RB has pulled that off very well. Can GH IV match and even top that? It remains to be seen.

[Akuryu]

Since there were so many questions about it, I'll just post a link to the picture.

GHIV drums:
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c171/zygote7/5.jpg

Also of note is that the article says you can activate Overdrive at any time by hitting both cymbals at the same time. My biggest complaint about drums (and vocals) in Rock Band is you can't use OD at any time like Guitar and Bass. I'm not a GH fanboy (I didn't even buy GH3 because Harmonix wasn't involved), but even I have to admit that sounds more appealing than the way Rock Band handles drums OD.

[Serpentd]

The only way I would see myself buying this is if RB peripherals were compatible (unlikely) or if GH4 had an awesome setlist. Considering I wasn't fond of GH3's setlist, I'm guessing I won't really like GH4's setlist.

Well dude, the one thing I've learned in life is to not "Fortune Tell" as I call it. Looking into the future of something you're totally guessing about usually doesn't work. Really only time will tell.

But I agree with you that if it's similiar to the GH3 game, well then it will be easier to say no. But now they are hopefully looking at this from a different perspective being it a band thing and not a guitar only thing. They just might surprise the hell out of everyone. Plus most, not all but most people, companies etc. learn from their mistakes. This might be the case here.;)

[PacoL250]

Since there were so many questions about it, I'll just post a link to the picture.

GHIV drums:
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c171/zygote7/5.jpg

Oh ho...the yellow key is linked to the cymbals?

Not as impressive as I thought (I had bigger ideas), but hey, they look nice that's for sure.

Still waiting on my Game Informer to come in...

EDIT: Okay, so here's the thing, HMX and MTV clearly know this is afoot, so what are they going to do about it? How will they respond? PR huffing and puffing will fool nobody, so they'll need something tangible I gather.

[Solid_Snake]

Dude, thanks for answering my "RO" question. Now I feel like an idiot because I should have know that. Oh well. I just wanted to say thank you!

Seems as though you and I have similar outlooks to this game comming out and I agree with what you've been posting. Makes total sense to me. It's not like I'm a sponsored gamer and have to have my loyalty to anyone. It's my money that gets spent either way. So yeah, bring on the competition!;):D

Thanks again Solid_Snake.:)
Any time! Always happy to answer a person's question. It makes me feel like I'm smart!

Also I agree with this statement as well. When people start bashing on the game it only shows how much of a HMX fanboy they have become. Don't get me wrong, I love Rock Band but that doesn't have to stop me from supporting other games that look promising. Just like HMX brought a better playing experience with Rock Band than Guitar Hero, Activison can further that with GHIV. As I mentioned before we only stand to gain from this. If Activison fails, then nothing changes and I'm still playing Rock Band in the end.

[Serpentd]

Since there were so many questions about it, I'll just post a link to the picture.

GHIV drums:
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c171/zygote7/5.jpg

Also of note is that the article says you can activate Overdrive at any time by hitting both cymbals at the same time. My biggest complaint about drums (and vocals) in Rock Band is you can't use OD at any time like Guitar and Bass. I'm not a GH fanboy (I didn't even buy GH3 because Harmonix wasn't involved), but even I have to admit that sounds more appealing than the way Rock Band handles drums OD.

Wow bro, thanks for sending us that link. I really appreciate that. Thank you.

Well from what I see, I am really starting to like it more and more. Look at all that room under the drums for your practice pad and real pedal etc. Love the cymbal approach as well. All I can say is I'm pretty excited to continue to hear and see the development of this game. Looks quite promissing for sure. I hope that it's all that it's cracked up to be.

Anyway, thanks again Akuryu for the pic and description of the OD. I really like that approach as well. It appears that they have done their homework and then some.;):)

[Solid_Snake]

Since there were so many questions about it, I'll just post a link to the picture.

GHIV drums:
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c171/zygote7/5.jpg

Also of note is that the article says you can activate Overdrive at any time by hitting both cymbals at the same time. My biggest complaint about drums (and vocals) in Rock Band is you can't use OD at any time like Guitar and Bass. I'm not a GH fanboy (I didn't even buy GH3 because Harmonix wasn't involved), but even I have to admit that sounds more appealing than the way Rock Band handles drums OD.


Those look like the drummania drums. I guess RO does know what they are doing and did their homework with the drums. We should expect greater quality than the RB set. This is going to go well with all the drummania veterans that move to rock band.

[Akuryu]

EDIT: Okay, so here's the thing, HMX and MTV clearly know this is afoot, so what are they going to do about it? How will they respond? PR huffing and puffing will fool nobody, so they'll need something tangible I gather.

Honestly, they need to release Rock Band 2 up against this. I was dead set against this game having a sequel, but I'm afraid its going to be necessary. The game needs more than just new songs to keep it fresh IMO. This holiday season a lot of people will be excited about the 'newness' of GH4, while Rock Band will just be old news by then. They need a major retail release to keep people from switching over to GH4. New features (Online BWT, possibly their own create a song type mode), a fresh coat of paint (new venues/outfits, more robust character creation), and a new soundtrack (all DLC from Rock Band 1 should carry over and they need some major heavy hitters on the disc). All the current instruments should still work, but maybe consider releasing premium instruments with a cooler look and added durability (mostly for new players but also for hardcores who want to upgrade).

[Serpentd]

Any time! Always happy to answer a person's question. It makes me feel like I'm smart!

Also I agree with this statement as well. When people start bashing on the game it only shows how much of a HMX fanboy they have become. Don't get me wrong, I love Rock Band but that doesn't have to stop me from supporting other games that look promising. Just like HMX brought a better playing experience with Rock Band than Guitar Hero, Activison can further that with GHIV. As I mentioned before we only stand to gain from this. If Activison fails, then nothing changes and I'm still playing Rock Band in the end.

I'll have to agree with you 100% on this. My feelings are the exact same as yours in regards to this. So here's to keeping my fingers crossed that this game takes it to a higher level. Afterall, this is how the video game market works I do believe. Otherwise we would be stuck with the original Doom games for FPS. The more time that goes by, the better the games usually tend to get. I hope this is the case here as well. If not, no loss because we do still have our beloved RB game just like you mentioned.;):)

[PacoL250]

Honestly, they need to release Rock Band 2 up against this. I was dead set against this game having a sequel, but I'm afraid its going to be necessary. The game needs more than just new songs to keep it fresh IMO. This holiday season a lot of people will be excited about the 'newness' of GH4, while Rock Band will just be old news by then. They need a major retail release to keep people from switching over to GH4. New features (Online BWT, possibly their own create a song type mode), a fresh coat of paint (new venues/outfits, more robust character creation), and a new soundtrack (all DLC from Rock Band 1 should carry over and they need some major heavy hitters on the disc). All the current instruments should still work, but maybe consider releasing premium instruments with a cooler look and added durability (mostly for new players but also for hardcores who want to upgrade).

A sequel may not be necessary, but a massive expansion might be.

Learn from your competitors, HMX: Blizzard has mastered the art of an expansion that feels like a sequel. I'm pretty sure Activision hasn't but if you start to think a bit like Blizzard, many positive things can happen.

[Solid_Snake]

A sequel may not be necessary, but a massive expansion might be.

Learn from your competitors, HMX: Blizzard has mastered the art of an expansion that feels like a sequel. I'm pretty sure Activision hasn't but if you start to think a bit like Blizzard, many positive things can happen.
I agree, a massive expansion could be what HMX needs. It just feels to soon to have an actual sequel. Plus HMX did want Rock Band to be a platform. By going the expansion route they are able to give us a sequel and still allow us to keep our ealier investment.

[PacoL250]

I agree, a massive expansion could be what HMX needs. It just feels to soon to have an actual sequel. Plus HMX did want Rock Band to be a platform. By going the expansion route they are able to give us a sequel and still allow us to keep our ealier investment.

Which is exactly what I hope they have in mind. Honestly, if they allow for track creation, tinker with some the character creation abilities, and get a bit more proactive on the DLC, then RB can compete just fine.

Oh and let's not forget about the quality of the peripherals. I think slowly but surely that problem is being solved, but I'm not 100% sure on that.

[Akuryu]

I think an expansion only works if you don't need the original game to use it. If you need the original game it will only excite the shrinking playerbase this game will have by then. It would do little to attract new players.

[Onslaught_fei]

My loyalties lie with Heavy Metal music. We'll see which franchise delivers...

[Solid_Snake]

I think an expansion only works if you don't need the original game to use it. If you need the original game it will only excite the shrinking playerbase this game will have by then. It would do little to attract new players.
You have a point, but it you don't need the original game than its hardly and expansion. I guess we can hope that anyone that wanted rock band would have bought it by then. The expansion will just give us an incentive to stick with it over GHIV, maybe also attract some new players. But I can totally see were you're comming from.

[Stinkbomb79]

As much as it pains me to admit it, the gh4 drums have a much nicer setup in my opinion. Too bad harmonix didn't come up with those. Hell, I just be happy with a working drumkit. Just ordered kit number 7.

[cuddie]

Official drumset from HMX that doesn't suck the penis will save Rock Band. Because honestly, GHIV's set compared to RB's is like Neil Peart's kit compared to a $50 wal mart starter kit. Well maybe not that extreme, but you get the point.

[rifteroftime]

Well dude, the one thing I've learned in life is to not "Fortune Tell" as I call it. Looking into the future of something you're totally guessing about usually doesn't work. Really only time will tell.

But I agree with you that if it's similiar to the GH3 game, well then it will be easier to say no. But now they are hopefully looking at this from a different perspective being it a band thing and not a guitar only thing. They just might surprise the hell out of everyone. Plus most, not all but most people, companies etc. learn from their mistakes. This might be the case here.;)

I definitely agree with you that I will just have to wait and see what the setlist has before I judge. That said, I mainly didn't like GH3's setlist due to all the metal/metalesque music in it. If GH4 tones it down a bit, I might just get it.

Hopefully they release stand alone instrument packs like Harmonix has started doing, then I might buy the drums +games, and use my Guitar Hero 2 guitar and USB mic from Rock Band. I don't really feel like dishing out another 200$ on a new rhythm game so soon.

[trilidar]

Honestly, they need to release Rock Band 2 up against this. I was dead set against this game having a sequel, but I'm afraid its going to be necessary. The game needs more than just new songs to keep it fresh IMO. This holiday season a lot of people will be excited about the 'newness' of GH4, while Rock Band will just be old news by then. They need a major retail release to keep people from switching over to GH4. New features (Online BWT, possibly their own create a song type mode), a fresh coat of paint (new venues/outfits, more robust character creation), and a new soundtrack (all DLC from Rock Band 1 should carry over and they need some major heavy hitters on the disc). All the current instruments should still work, but maybe consider releasing premium instruments with a cooler look and added durability (mostly for new players but also for hardcores who want to upgrade).

AMEN!

You literally, hit the 'nail on the head'.

All of this needs to occur (esp 'real' instruments).
tril

[TbayJ]

this is great news ! competition helps the consumer

GH will do their thing it will prob be awesome , i'l prob buy it ..then RB will answer back and beat out GH perhaps RB will figure a way to record vocals into the custom song making feature that GH4 wont have ..meanwhile have to spend a fortune in between but thats life u have pay to play , toy's get more expensive as u get older

the bottom line is if u want it all U got to buy it all ,

it like the ps3/360 arguments , bottom line is if u want to play god of war 3
and gears of war 2 - gotta have both systems

I'm just glad I'm not a pc gaming natzi who need a $9,000.00 liquid cooled rig to play games at 9000x12000 resolution with 400 fps - an exaggeration but u know what i mean

[Serpentd]

My loyalties lie with Heavy Metal music. We'll see which franchise delivers...

I'm with you 100% on this Onslaught! The more Metal would be key for me as well. This is one reason I've been frustrated with HMX lately. Where is the METAL?? Not rock, not even hard rock (Disturbed), but true metal (Testament). I used those bands as examples for obvious reasons.

[jtrousd]

Nothing against HMX, but I feel like they've gotten pretty complacent about things. I really hope this lights a fire under their asses and they start pumping out some insanely exciting stuff.

I really wouldn't mind hearing what's going on with Who's Next. Sorry to say I'm not feeling particularly excited about The Cars or The Pixies... beh

[Serpentd]

this is great news ! competition helps the consumer

GH will do their thing it will prob be awesome , i'l prob buy it ..then RB will answer back and beat out GH perhaps RB will figure a way to record vocals into the custom song making feature that GH4 wont have ..meanwhile have to spend a fortune in between but thats life u have pay to play , toy's get more expensive as u get older

the bottom line is if u want it all U got to buy it all ,

it like the ps3/360 arguments , bottom line is if u want to play god of war 3
and gears of war 2 - gotta have both systems

I'm just glad I'm not a pc gaming natzi who need a $9,000.00 liquid cooled rig to play games at 9000x12000 resolution with 400 fps - an exaggeration but u know what i mean


Very true on your entire statement. Although I'm not a PC gamer too much, I do love to custom build those $9000 dollar PC's.;) I think it's because I race cars and have been building engines and cars for 1/4 mile racing for about 25 years since I was 14 or so. So if you have racing in your blood, you tend to want to build everything for speed. Having an addictive personality doesn't help either. LOL

Hmmm, I wonder if this is why I like thrash and speed metal so much as well?...Faster, Faster faster faster faster...BOOM, too fast! :D

Sorry, I'm a dork.:p