why is there so little punk in rythym games?

[leftover_crack]

note: the ramones are to mellow to be punk and should i stay or should i go is not a punk song

guitar hero 1:
infected - bad religion
fat lip - sum 41

guitar hero 2:
salvation - rancid (only in 360 version)
search and destroy - iggy pop
killing in the name - rage against the machine

guitar hero: RT80's
police truck - dead kennedys

rock band
none

rock band dlc:
i fought the law - the clash
complete control - the clash
train in vain (stand by me) - the clash

guitar hero 3:
story of my life - social d
anarchy in the uk - the sex pistols
holiday in cambodia - DK
bulls on parade - rage against the machine

i would deffinitly say that punk would the best genre for rythym games, mainly rock band and to anyone saying that punk is just all fast power chords listen the clash, the sex pistols, dead kennedys, the bouncing souls, nofx, choking victim, leftover crack, anti-flag, gogol boredelo, rage against the machine, bad religion, and team spider

those are just a few off the top of my head

and punk also has the most diverse sub-genres so there is something for every one and is probably the largest music genre

[HMXDave]

note: the ramones are to mellow to be punk

I stopped reading there. If you don't consider The Ramones to be punk, then you don't know what you're talking about.

[bood-boy]

how is rage against the machine a punk band?!?!?! that makes NO sense.

[Scott87]

I stopped reading there. If you don't consider The Ramones to be punk, then you don't know what you're talking about.

^ What he said

And RATM are not Punk..

[S1ckH4nds]

Wow, surprised to see some love for Gogol Bordello.

Train In Vain doesn't really belong on the punk list, either, that's one of the most traditional rock & roll songs the Clash ever did.

[frizzy_bj]

Train In Vain doesn't really belong on the punk list, either, that's one of the most traditional rock & roll songs the Clash ever did.


Agreed. ;)

[LZ_69]

What about The Konks? that's Punk, at least to my ears.

[oshman187]

I stopped reading there. If you don't consider The Ramones to be punk, then you don't know what you're talking about.

Going to have to agree with Dave on this one.

[killer_roach]

Why is there so little punk in rhythm games?

...probably because there's so little rhythm in punk musicians. :)

[CM_Drunk]

I stopped reading there. If you don't consider The Ramones to be punk, then you don't know what you're talking about.

LOL. Ramones, Sex Pistols, Velvet Underground STARTED Punk Rock. TC isnt punk.


how is rage against the machine a punk band?!?!?! that makes NO sense.


I also lol'd quite hardily at this one. As much as I LOVE Rage, they are not punk.

[HMXDave]

Just to further disprove the OP, here is a TRUE list of the punk songs in Rock Band.

ORIGINAL SETLIST:

Blitzkreig Bop - The Ramones
Main Offender - The Hives (arguably)
Maps - Yeah Yeah Yeahs (They are a punk band, this is not a punk song)
Next to You - The Police (Yes, The Police were punk when they first started.)
Should I Stay or Should I Go - The Clash
29 Fingers - The Konks
Day Late Dollar Short - The Acrobrats
Seven - Vagiant

DLC:

Can't Stand Losing You - The Police
Ever Fallen in Love - The Buzzcocks
Rockaway Beach - The Ramones
All the Small Things - Blink 182 (Some consider this crap punk, I don't.)
Die, All Right - The Hives
Complete Control - The Clash
Truth Hits Everybody - The Police
Teenage Lobotomy - The Ramones
Date with the Night - Yeah Yeah Yeahs
Train in Vain - The Clash

That looks like a lot of punk to me. Around 18 songs, depending on what you consider to be truely punk.

[whofan]

I stopped reading there. If you don't consider The Ramones to be punk, then you don't know what you're talking about.
Agreed once again. Man, you just destroyed any Punk credentials that you had with that stupid statement.

[oshman187]

Just to further disprove the OP, here is a TRUE list of the punk songs in Rock Band.

ORIGINAL SETLIST:

Blitzkreig Bop - The Ramones
Main Offender - The Hives (arguably)
Maps - Yeah Yeah Yeahs (They are a punk band, this is not a punk song)
Next to You - The Police (Yes, The Police were punk when they first started.)
Should I Stay or Should I Go - The Clash
29 Fingers - The Konks
Day Late Dollar Short - The Acrobrats
Seven - Vagiant

DLC:

Can't Stand Losing You - The Police
Ever Fallen in Love - The Buzzcocks
Rockaway Beach - The Ramones
All the Small Things - Blink 182 (Some consider this crap punk, I don't.)
Die, All Right - The Hives
Complete Control - The Clash
Truth Hits Everybody - The Police
Teenage Lobotomy - The Ramones
Date with the Night - Yeah Yeah Yeahs
Train in Vain - The Clash

That looks like a lot of punk to me. Around 18 songs, depending on what you consider to be truely punk.

That looks like a Punk List to me.

After lookin at the OP's profile I learned he is 14. Which explains a bit. But you just have to understand The Ramones are punk.

[whofan]

EDIT: Removed to keep myself from looking like an idiot...... hopefully nobody quoted it before it's been changed

We now return you to your regularily scheduled discusion

Beeeeeeeeeeeep

[hmxhenry]

Why is there so little punk in rhythm games?

...probably because there's so little rhythm in punk musicians. :)

ZING! It's funny because it's true.

[leftover_crack]

I stopped reading there. If you don't consider The Ramones to be punk, then you don't know what you're talking about.


if u consider the ramones punk u dont know what punk is

[HMXDave]

if u consider the ramones punk u dont know what punk is

Bwa ha ha ha ha. Thanks for the laugh.

[leftover_crack]

That looks like a Punk List to me.

After lookin at the OP's profile I learned he is 14. Which explains a bit. But you just have to understand The Ramones are punk.

the ramones arent punk

i wanna live is not punk
blitkrieg bop is not punk
i wanna be sedated is not punk
teenage lobotomy is not punk
do u remember ROCK N ROLL radio is not punk
sheena is a punk rocker is not punk
rock away beach is not punk
i wanna be ur boy friends is not punk
chineese rock is not punk


IF U THINK THE RAMONES ARE PUNK U ARE THE MOST IGNORENT PERSON EVER


and if they were "one of the first punk bands" why didnt they inspire anyone?


and not just that but they suck

[leftover_crack]

ZING! It's funny because it's true.

arent most people from hmx in semi-punk bands

acua-brats?
vagiant?

[killer_roach]

and if they were "one of the first punk bands" why didnt they inspire anyone?

If by "didn't inspire anyone" you meant "inspired pretty much every single punk and alternative rock band of the past thirty years", you'd be correct. :D

[howsh_]

They inspired the dead kennedy's and black flag, who are most definately punk

[HMXDave]

Wow. Just wow.

Way to troll and make personal attacks.

If you want to have an intelligent discussion, that's one thing, but you are just being ridiculous.


In before lock.

[oshman187]

if u consider the ramones punk u dont know what punk is

"The Ramones ignited the punk-rock movement"

Rock Hall (http://www.rockhall.com/inductee/ramones)

[oshman187]

the ramones are punk

i wanna live is punk
blitkrieg bop is punk
i wanna be sedated is punk
teenage lobotomy is punk
do u remember ROCK N ROLL radio is punk
sheena is a punk rocker is punk
rock away beach is punk
i wanna be ur boy friends is punk
chineese rock is punk


IF U THINK THE RAMONES ARE PUNK U ARE THE MOST IGNORENT PERSON EVER


*Ignorant*
And I fixed your post

[leftover_crack]

"The Ramones ignited the punk-rock movement"

Rock Hall (http://www.rockhall.com/inductee/ramones)

"The Ramones revitalized rock and roll at one of its lowest ebbs, infusing it with punk ENERGY"

there is a differnce between having punk energy and playing punk rock

edit: iggy pop inspired the clash and the sex pistols

the clash inspired all F*** our government punk bands

the sex pistols inspired all anarcho F*** all governments punk bands

a few years after 1976 most bands started to be considerd punk while they should have been just rock

for example the ramones

[howsh_]

*Ignorant*
And I fixed your post

i figured they were just typos and he would go back and fix them later. :D

[HMXDave]

"The Ramones revitalized rock and roll at one of its lowest ebbs, infusing it with punk ENERGY"

there is a differnce between having punk energy and playing punk rock

Like Rage Against the Machine? LOL!

Sorry, couldn't resist.

[S1ckH4nds]

IF U THINK THE RAMONES ARE PUNK U ARE THE MOST IGNORENT PERSON EVER

and if they were "one of the first punk bands" why didnt they inspire anyone?

and not just that but they suck
Fail troll is faaaaaaaail.

[leftover_crack]

If by "didn't inspire anyone" you meant "inspired pretty much every single punk and alternative rock band of the past thirty years", you'd be correct. :D

the clash inspired all punk bands

punk bands start inspite of the ramones

the ramones were die hard right ring republicans

thats punk rock

[oshman187]

"The Ramones revitalized rock and roll at one of its lowest ebbs, infusing it with punk ENERGY"

there is a differnce between having punk energy and playing punk rock

You are truly a 14 boy.
You will learn.
And increasing the size of your post doesn't help your arguement.
You are still wrong.
Why dont you create a poll?

[leftover_crack]

Like Rage Against the Machine? LOL!

Sorry, couldn't resist.

no not like rage against the machine becasue they also have punk views


exactly the opposite of the ramone's republican views

[leftover_crack]

Why dont you create a poll?

cause its a why question

[leftover_crack]

They inspired the dead kennedy's and black flag, who are most definately punk

not so sure about black flag but dead kennedys were not inspired by the ramones

they have 2 completly differnt sounds and messages in their songs

[oshman187]

cause its a why question

Are the Ramones a punk rock band.


Yes
No

[HMXDave]

Forget about it osh.

No point in continuing this "discussion."

[hmxhenry]

the clash, the sex pistols, dead kennedys, the bouncing souls, nofx, choking victim, leftover crack, anti-flag, gogol boredelo, rage against the machine, bad religion, and team spider

At the risk of fueling the flames, I can say with almost 100% certainty that all of these bands would tell you that the Ramones were 1) a punk band and 2) an inspiration either through their sound, their attitude, their look, or their contributions to the punk scene. In the last few years Spin Magazine listed the Ramones as the second most influential band of all time (and second place to the Beatles isn't too shabby) and in 2002 they were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

If you don't like the Ramones, that's cool. You don't have to. If you don't think they're punk, that's cool too. Everyone doesn't have to agree about every little thing. At the very least, please refrain from telling people that disagree with you that they are "IGNORENT."

On a related topic, here's a link to one of my blog posts from last week where I provide a counter arguement to a fellow HMX dev's claim that the Ramones were a glam band.

http://www.rockband.com/rockers_blog_entry/hmxhenry/311950

[Colt_Steele]

In other news, The Ramones were a punk band.

[leftover_crack]

At the risk of fueling the flames, I can say with almost 100% certainty that all of these bands would tell you that the Ramones were 1) a punk band and 2) an inspiration either through their sound, their attitude, their look, or their contributions to the punk scene. In the last few years Spin Magazine listed the Ramones as the second most influential band of all time (and second place to the Beatles isn't too shabby) and in 2002 they were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

If you don't like the Ramones, that's cool. You don't have to. If you don't think they're punk, that's cool too. Everyone doesn't have to agree about every little thing. At the very least, please refrain from telling people that disagree with you that they are "IGNORENT."

On a related topic, here's a link to one of my blog posts from last week where I provide a counter arguement to a fellow HMX dev's claim that the Ramones were a glam band.

http://www.rockband.com/rockers_blog_entry/hmxhenry/311950


i actually have to agree with him or her

the new york dolls were more punk than the ramones and they are a glam punk band

[oshman187]

Forget about it osh.

No point in continuing this "discussion."

One more. Sorry I just can't resist.

From PunkMusic.com (http://www.punkmusic.com/bandsearch.cfm?iBandID=3298)

[Ravaana]

the ramones arent punk

i wanna live is not punk
blitkrieg bop is not punk
i wanna be sedated is not punk
teenage lobotomy is not punk
do u remember ROCK N ROLL radio is not punk
sheena is a punk rocker is not punk
rock away beach is not punk
i wanna be ur boy friends is not punk
chineese rock is not punk


IF U THINK THE RAMONES ARE PUNK U ARE THE MOST IGNORENT PERSON EVER


and if they were "one of the first punk bands" why didnt they inspire anyone?


and not just that but they suck

The Ramones, whether you consider them punk or not, were the beginning of the punk wave. And Just because they sound poppish now, doesn't mean they were considered that originally. Their sound, at the time, was not exactly considered to be friendly with the popular music during the 1970s.

Many people forget about the gap in time and how music has progressed since then. I know that they are no Operation Ivy, or NOFX, but their mark is still there.

I took both of these quotes from wiki below, showing whom they have influenced for you, just to help clear things up.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramones

They soon recorded their debut album, Ramones on an extremely low budget; about $6,400. The band was plagued by hostile audience reactions outside of New York City. It wasn’t until they made a small tour of England that they began to see the fruits of their labor: a performance at The Roundhouse in London on July 4, 1976 (second-billed to the Flamin' Groovies), which Linda Stein had organized,[18] was a huge success. Their appearance galvanized the burgeoning UK punk rock scene, inspiring future punk stars, including members of The Clash, The Damned, and the Sex Pistols.[19] The Flamin' Groovies/Ramones double-bill was successfully reprised at The Roxy in Los Angeles the following month, which also inspired local Los Angeles musicians.


The Ramones' first British concert was held on July 4, 1976. Prior to the performance, the band hung out with fans who turned out to be members of the Sex Pistols and The Clash. During the meeting Paul Simonon claimed The Clash had not played a show yet because they felt they were not good enough, to which Johnny Ramone responded, "We stink. You don't have to be good, just get out there and play".[25] Later that day The Clash would play their first show.[42] Likewise another band who met with the Ramones that day, The Damned, played their first show two days later.[43] Similarly, early Ramones concerts in California inspired early California punk groups like Black Flag, the Dead Kennedys,[44] Bad Religion,[45] and Social Distortion.
Bands such as Screeching Weasel, The Vindictives, The *****s, The Huntingtons, The Mr. T Experience and the Beatnik Termites have all recorded covers of entire Ramones albums; including Ramones, Leave Home, Rocket to Russia, File Under Ramones, Road to Ruin, and Pleasant Dreams, respectively.
The first Ramones tribute album by multiple bands was released in 1991 under the title Gabba Gabba Hey: A Tribute to the Ramones, featuring tracks recorded by such notable bands as L7, Mojo Nixon, and Bad Religion. Many more tribute albums followed, We're a Happy Family being the most well-known, with artists such as Green Day, Kiss, Metallica, The Offspring, Red Hot Chili Peppers, U2, and Rob Zombie (who also did the album cover artwork).
Metal musician Lemmy first met the Ramones in 1976. His band Motörhead composed and performed the song "R.A.M.O.N.E.S" as a tribute, and Lemmy would perform at the final Ramones concert in 1996.[46] The band Bad Brains took its name from a Ramones song. Green Day members have gone as far as naming their children in honor of the band. Billie Joe Armstrong named his son Joey as tribute to Joey Ramone, and Tré Cool named his daughter Ramona for similar reasons.

[killer_roach]

Yet leftover_crack has no problems with calling The Clash punk, yet, if one were to split hairs, the greater R&B influence on The Clash made quite a few of their songs significantly less "punk-like" than almost anything The Ramones wrote...

[Runesmith]

the clash inspired all punk bands

punk bands start inspite of the ramones

the ramones were die hard right ring republicans

thats punk rock

Actually, that is incorrect. Johnny Ramone was the only right-wing republican in the group. The left-wing Joey and the right-wing Johnny frequently had conflicts with each other; many people think their disparate political ideaologies are what led to the dissolution of the band, or at least to their decline.

Also: Lee Ving of the influential hardcore punk group FEAR is a diehard republican, but everyone else in the band are notoriously liberal. Would you say FEAR isn't a "punk band" just because /one/ band member has a conservative ideaology?

[S1ckH4nds]

If any of you get the Starz network, I suggest checking the schedule to see if they broadcast "Too Tough To Die: A Tribute To Johnny Ramone". It's a concert held a few days just before he passed away, and features performances from;

- The Dickies
- X
- Red Hot Chili Peppers
- Eddie Vedder (Pearl Jam)
- Brett Gurewitz (Bad Religion)
- Dicky Barrett (Mighty Mighty Bosstones)
- Tim Armstrong (Rancid, Operation Ivy, Transplants)
- Mark Hoppus (Blink-182)
- Robert Carmine (Rooney)
- Mike Ness (Social Distortion)
- Steve Jones (Sex Pistols)
- Henry Rollins (Black Flag, Rollins Band)
- Andrew WK
- Devo
- Pete Yorn

[Zidane]

I'd rather have the Ramones over the Sex Pistols. Man, the Sex Pistols suck so much, what they did was commit a crime against rock n roll history.

[S1ckH4nds]

I'd rather have the Ramones over the Sex Pistols. Man, the Sex Pistols suck so much, what they did was commit a crime against rock n roll history.
The best thing the Sex Pistols ever did was stop, so John Lydon could start Public Image Ltd.

[DarkEternal37]

This thread is very entertaining. I feel bad cause it's almost like when you stare at someone who's disfigured in public. You know you shouldn't do it and you feel bad for them, but it's hard to look away. (Note: I'm not saying that disfigured people are entertaining.)

BUT, since I feel the need to contribute and not just make an entirely useless post...



The best thing the Sex Pistols ever did was stop

QFT.

[leftover_crack]

Yet leftover_crack has no problems with calling The Clash punk, yet, if one were to split hairs, the greater R&B influence on The Clash made quite a few of their songs significantly less "punk-like" than almost anything The Ramones wrote...

the clash was like ska reggae punk

the ramones were an alt rock band that was considerd punk because 2 songs have slight punk beats

[S1ckH4nds]

the ramones were an alt rock band that was considerd punk because 2 songs have slight punk beats
Stop.

Please.

Just... stop.

[Zidane]

What qualifies as punk? A bunch of guys who don't know how to play their instruments?

[DarkEternal37]

What qualifies as punk? A bunch of guys who don't know how to play their instruments?

Whoa whoa whoa. Let's not be insensitive here.






































They can be girls too.

[Zidane]

LOLZ! Well, at least they're not Greasers. I hate greasers with a passion...

[hmxhenry]

Whoa whoa whoa. Let's not be insensitive here.


They can be girls too.

Not gonna lie... lol'd.

[IslandBoy91]

First of all...The Ramone's are punk. Anyone who thinks they are are A) Deaf B) Brainwashed by modern music or C) ignorant.

To answer your question of why there is so little punk in Rock Band, I have come up with this theory: Punk rockers aren't going to cave into the establishment and sell out their souls and life's work to the man in his giant corporate headquarters, brainwashing the masses with his interactive music machine that is secretly hypnotizing us with the scrolling notes on the screen, which are programming us to buy war bonds, American made goods and to join the Army...because they are all linked together with a secret government agency (along with every other multi-billion dollar corporation in the country) who is planning to program us into devices to stimulate the economy to continue the United State's capitalist reign of terror over the world and programing us to crush anyone that that thinks that.

That is what a hardcore punk rocker would would say about putting their music on rock band.

[Rockbandfan23467]

Joe Strummer once said that all punk bands are Ramones ripoffs.

[killer_roach]

First of all...The Ramone's are punk. Anyone who thinks they are are A) Deaf B) Brainwashed by modern music or C) ignorant.

To answer your question of why there is so little punk in Rock Band, I have come up with this theory: Punk rockers aren't going to cave into the establishment and sell out their souls and life's work to the man in his giant corporate headquarters, brainwashing the masses with his interactive music machine that is secretly hypnotizing us with the scrolling notes on the screen, which are programming us to buy war bonds, American made goods and to join the Army...because they are all linked together with a secret government agency (along with every other multi-billion dollar corporation in the country) who is planning to program us into devices to stimulate the economy to continue the United State's capitalist reign of terror over the world and programing us to crush anyone that that thinks that.

That is what a hardcore punk rocker would would say about putting their music on rock band.

And yet The Clash, one of the more political and anti-establishment bands of their generation, are not only in Rock Band, but had their song "London Calling" used in commercials for Jaguar.

Anything's possible :)

[leftover_crack]

What qualifies as punk? A bunch of guys who don't know how to play their instruments?

leftist lyrics, people that can actually play bar chords, and fast beats

[Rockbandfan23467]

LOLZ! Well, at least they're not Greasers. I hate greasers with a passion...
Care to explain why?

[Rockbandfan23467]

leftist lyrics, people that can actually play bar chords, and fast beats

Look Pal, no genre is defined by lyrical content (except Christian Rock/Metal/Punk/Alternative/Pop/Whatever)

[hmxhenry]

I don't think that punk needs to have leftist lyrics at all. Even some of the early punk bands and Oi! / street punk groups had very right wing lyrics. Lee Ving of FEAR, as mentioned earlier in the thread, was very conservative. The Dead Kennedys classic California Uber Alles likens Democatic Governor Jerry Brown's (imagined) left wing presidency to that of Nazi Germany. Punks can be right wing conservatives, and they can criticize other leftists. One could argue that it's the nature of punk to do whatever you say they can't.

The idea of a straight edge lifestyle, pioneered by punk bands, can also be perceived as a very conservative ideology. When Minor Threat saw everyone else in their scene drinking, doing drugs, and engaging in casual sex they took the opposite route. That's a very conservative / right wing response from a group that I'd also safely categorize as punk. When Black Flag spawned a million groups of shaved head toughs playing short, fast songs they grew their hair long and started experimenting with very heavy, metal influenced songs. I don't think that means that Black Flag is less punk, and if anything it makes them more punk for going against the grain.

I think it's important to note that punk bands universally reject the idea that they must be one thing, and cannot be another. Punk can be short songs, it can be long songs. It can have leftist politics, or very right wing attitudes. Punk doesn't have to look a certain way, or sound a certain way, and a very essential part of punk rock lies in rejecting those types of labels or restrictions whether they are placed on them by authority figures or contemporaries.

[howsh_]

I don't think that punk needs to have leftist lyrics at all. Even some of the early punk bands and Oi! / street punk groups had very right wing lyrics. Lee Ving of FEAR, as mentioned earlier in the thread, was very conservative. The Dead Kennedys classic California Uber Alles likens Democatic Governor Jerry Brown's (imagined) left wing presidency to that of Nazi Germany. Punks can be right wing conservatives, and they can criticize other leftists. One could argue that it's the nature of punk to do whatever you say they can't.

The idea of a straight edge lifestyle, pioneered by punk bands, can also be perceived as a very conservative ideology. When Minor Threat saw everyone else in their scene drinking, doing drugs, and engaging in casual sex they took the opposite route. That's a very conservative / right wing response from a group that I'd also safely categorize as punk. When Black Flag spawned a million groups of shaved head toughs playing short, fast songs they grew their hair long and started experimenting with very heavy, metal influenced songs. I don't think that means that Black Flag is less punk, and if anything it makes them more punk for going against the grain.

I think it's important to note that punk bands universally reject the idea that they must be one thing, and cannot be another. Punk can be short songs, it can be long songs. It can have leftist politics, or very right wing attitudes. Punk doesn't have to look a certain way, or sound a certain way, and a very essential part of punk rock lies in rejecting those types of labels or restrictions whether they are placed on them by authority figures or contemporaries.

I love you?

[leftover_crack]

Look Pal, no genre is defined by lyrical content (except Christian Rock/Metal/Punk/Alternative/Pop/Whatever)

theres no such thing as christian punk


its impossible

[Zidane]

Care to explain why?

I shouldn't have to, they're f*cking greasers. They deserve to be taken off this planet.

[Rockbandfan23467]

theres no such thing as christian punk


its impossible

Your Mother is impossible.

But seriously, there are many Christain Punk bands that fit all three of your requirements.

[Rockbandfan23467]

I shouldn't have to, they're f*cking greasers. They deserve to be taken off this planet.
No, really. It's seems like you only hate greasers because you want to.

(I don't like greasers, but I don't hate them either.)

[Zidane]

No, really. It's seems like you only hate greasers because you want to.

(I don't like greasers, but I don't hate them either.)

I'd rather hang out with a bunch of EMO and Goth kids. Greasers are a drain on our society.

[oshman187]

theres no such thing as christian punk


its impossible

MxPx
Slick Shoes
Relient K

Case Closed.
Stop digging yourself deeper dude. Let it die.
here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_punk_bands) is more.

[Rockbandfan23467]

I'd rather hang out with a bunch of EMO and Goth kids. Greasers are a drain on our society.

GIVE ME A LEGITIMATE REASON WHY YOU HATE GREASERS!!!!!!!

[moshun]

Wait wait wait wait... what's your definition of a greaser?

As far as I know, it's a derogatory term for a mexican...

[Rockbandfan23467]

Wait wait wait wait... what's your definition of a greaser?

As far as I know, it's a derogatory term for a mexican...I think he means like Eddie Knox from GH2, who kicks ass, BTW.

[moshun]

I think he means like Eddie Knox from GH2, who kicks ass, BTW.
Oh... those guys with the slicked back hair and the little superman doo-whoppie curl in the middle? I <3 Eddie Knox!

What did they ever do to you, Zidane?

[Zidane]

I think he means like Eddie Knox from GH2, who kicks ass, BTW.

Eddie Knox was the lamest character. No lie.

Greaser was a derogatory term for Mexican in the 1950's. But I prefer other words. (I'm a Mexican.)

As for the reason of my hate for greasers... it's a personal scar I may never get over...

[Rockbandfan23467]

Eddie Knox was the lamest character. No lie.

Greaser was a derogatory term for Mexican in the 1950's. But I prefer other words. (I'm a Mexican.)

As for the reason of my hate for greasers... it's a personal scar I may never get over...

Did a greaser steal your popsicle as a two-year-old? :p

[Zidane]

That, and something much more deep. I fell into my heavy metal roots and didn't ever trust a greaser again.

[moshun]

I know... you gave your virginity and then that greaser broke your heart. Am I right? There there...

[BillLauren]

I love cheese, does anyone else love cheese? Marble is my favorite, I also like Cheddar and Mozzarella.

:D

[merryann]

I love cheese, does anyone else love cheese? Marble is my favorite, I also like Cheddar and Mozzarella.

:D
Marble? Pshh I play with marbles. :p
But I like cheese also! Woo!

[Zidane]

I know... you gave your virginity and then that greaser broke your heart. Am I right? There there...

Yeah, she was a greaser. That *****...

[Rockbandfan23467]

Thread Summery: There isn't Ramones in Rythem games that are played by Christain Greasers who like cheese and have no rythem.

[oshman187]

Thread Summery: There isn't Ramones in Rythem games that are played by Christain Greasers who like cheese.

Thread Summary.

-The Ramones are a punk band.
-Leftover Crack will continue debates to try and prove he is right. So far he has lost.
-Punk can be very diverse.
-There are Christian punk bands.
-Zidane does not like Greasers.
-Bill and Mariann like cheese.

[IslandBoy91]

I know... you gave your virginity and then that greaser broke your heart. Am I right? There there...
ROFL!

I always thought greasers were dumb white teenagers who slicked their hair back with enough grease to properly lubricate a locomotive engine. And who always wore blue jeans, with the ankle rolled up, Converse All-Stars, Leather Jackets and white t-shirts.

Guess I was wrong?

[Zidane]

ROFL!

I always thought greasers were dumb white teenagers who slicked their hair back with enough grease to properly lubricate a locomotive engine. And who always wore blue jeans, with the ankle rolled up, Converse All-Stars, Leather Jackets and white t-shirts.

Guess I was wrong?

That's them. I lost my virginity to a greaser girl. Greaser girls are more attractive, though.

[moshun]

So I was right?! ..gtfo O_O

scary.. >_>;

[Zidane]

Ya, that is a real shocker.

[frostywolf]

There are greaser women? Wait, do they have the whole blue jeans/leather jacket/greased hair thing going on? I'm kind of curious what these fabled greaser women look like.

[Zidane]

Yeah. Tight clothes too. I'm not a good looking guy, but she really liked me. But damn she looked good. Her boobs were always half showing and she liked to fool around too. Greaser chicks are also known to dye their hair different colors.

They tend to look like this. (http://kittenkoffinzombies.com/pastpin.html)

Aww, I'm depressed. I need a gf... Great guys, now I'm EMO Zidane.

[frostywolf]

Yeah. Tight clothes too. I'm not a good looking guy, but she really liked me. But damn she looked good. Her boobs were always half showing and she liked to fool around too. Greaser chicks are also known to dye their hair different colors.

They tend to look like this. (http://kittenkoffinzombies.com/pastpin.html)

Aww, I'm depressed. I need a gf... Great guys, now I'm EMO Zidane.

Aww, cheer up Zidane!

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[King_Nuthin]

Man I'm sooooooo glad I was on a business trip the last 3 days.

frostywolf, a good place to start would be to browse the photo galleries at vivalasvegas.net.

[schmeankman]

eh as an owner of all ramones cds i says whatever but by your logic every band on your list is too mell ow to be punk

[DarkEternal37]

This thread became somewhat less interesting while I was at work. I will spice it up with this:

Master2uall and Tflash were finally banned. Woo. Discuss.

(I don't usually celebrate the misfortune of others, but they were asking for it and being general asses.)

[S1ckH4nds]

Thread Summery: There isn't Ramones in Rythem games that are played by Christain Greasers who like cheese and have no rythem.
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[S1ckH4nds]

Master2uall and Tflash were finally banned. Woo. Discuss.

Perm or one-day?

I can think of a few others (mainly posters in the weekly DLC announcement discussion thread) that deserve a similar fate.

[frostywolf]

Man I'm sooooooo glad I was on a business trip the last 3 days.

frostywolf, a good place to start would be to browse the photo galleries at vivalasvegas.net.

Thanks for the info, sir. This thread has been very informative in me learning about these greaser girls.



This thread became somewhat less interesting while I was at work. I will spice it up with this:

Master2uall and Tflash were finally banned. Woo. Discuss.

(I don't usually celebrate the misfortune of others, but they were asking for it and being general asses.)

Were they greasers? Do they like rockabilly?

[DarkEternal37]

Perm or one-day?


Most likely not a permanent one. All they really did was bash DLC, people who like that DLC and the people who created the DLC. They just became too rowdy about it. It's not like they posted a fake news story about nukes going off in 6 US cities...

Still, they sought out threads wherein they would just bash when we all knew how they felt from the first 400 times they posted their negativity.

[DarkEternal37]

I did no such thing. I was at work :P

[instantdeath999]

I haven't read the entire thread yet, only the OP's message, so before I read the rest of it, I'll just say... Rage Against the Machine= Punk?????

EDIT: Okay, having read it... I see that punk, to you, is classified by the lyrics, which is why you consider Rage Against the Machine Punk. Rage Against the Machine have anti-establishment lyrics, but their sound... not so much. Punk, to me, has a distinct sound... lots of powerchords.

[merryann]

^
My thought exactly.
:confused:

[instantdeath999]

This thread became somewhat less interesting while I was at work. I will spice it up with this:

Master2uall and Tflash were finally banned. Woo. Discuss.

(I don't usually celebrate the misfortune of others, but they were asking for it and being general asses.)

Huh, the names seem familiar.... if I remember correctly, Tflash was that guy who was whining about having non-English DLC, right?

Master2uall sounds familiar too.

[CCDaDon]

how in the hell are the ramones not punk? i might not know jack s*** about rock music but i do know that if it wasn't for the ramones you wouldn't have a punk genre... FACT

[TakeABow]

IF U THINK THE RAMONES ARE PUNK U ARE THE MOST IGNORENT PERSON EVER


So Sum 41 is Punk but the Ramones aren't? OK. Whatever.

If punk is defined lyrically (RATM?)

Then this MUSE song is punk (what?)
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[DarkEternal37]

Huh, the names seem familiar.... if I remember correctly, Tflash was that guy who was whining about having non-English DLC, right?

Master2uall sounds familiar too.

Correct on the first count.

Master2uall did much the same and he also posted the mod of his strat where he switched the solo buttons and the lower frets. That way you can tap through solo's on the lower frets. Cheater! Aside from that he created many annoying topics.

[whofan]

if u consider the ramones punk u dont know what punk is
My God, you're a laugh a minute.

Punk would not be around if it weren't for The Ramones.

Thanks though, you made me laugh and I needed it today

[Rock_Starman]

Los Angeles was left out of the GH: 80's list.
Hangin' on the Telephone was left out of the RB DLC list.

All I'm saying about this rediculousness.

[1AK0]

Haha, you my friend don't know what Punk is.

[frizzy_bj]

Master2uall and Tflash were finally banned. Woo. Discuss.

(I don't usually celebrate the misfortune of others, but they were asking for it and being general asses.)

I am actually celebrating the banning of Tflash9! He was awful. He flamed me for using "big" words in my posts and said I was too "emotional". He was a real winner.:rolleyes:

[WhiffleBallTony]

note: the ramones are to mellow to be punk

Hahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!

You remind of those people who say that Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, and Black Sabbath aren't heavy metal. Those people make me laffo.

[killer_roach]

Yeah, but the crazy metalheads draw up the distinctions so tight that, in some circles, they'll debate whether or not Dimmu Borgir is metal, to say nothing of Sabbath (I had somebody tell me once that any of the NWOBHM bands are not metal, despite the fact that the 'M' in the acronym standing for "metal")...

[Colt_Steele]

Aww, I'm depressed. I need a gf... Great guys, now I'm EMO Zidane.

CRAWWWWWLING INNNN MY SKINNNNNNN

:D:cool::p

[billman3000]

note: the ramones are to mellow to be punk and should i stay or should i go is not a punk song

guitar hero 1:
infected - bad religion
fat lip - sum 41

guitar hero 2:
salvation - rancid (only in 360 version)
search and destroy - iggy pop
killing in the name - rage against the machine

guitar hero: RT80's
police truck - dead kennedys

rock band
none

rock band dlc:
i fought the law - the clash
complete control - the clash
train in vain (stand by me) - the clash

guitar hero 3:
story of my life - social d
anarchy in the uk - the sex pistols
holiday in cambodia - DK
bulls on parade - rage against the machine

i would deffinitly say that punk would the best genre for rythym games, mainly rock band and to anyone saying that punk is just all fast power chords listen the clash, the sex pistols, dead kennedys, the bouncing souls, nofx, choking victim, leftover crack, anti-flag, gogol boredelo, rage against the machine, bad religion, and team spider

those are just a few off the top of my head

and punk also has the most diverse sub-genres so there is something for every one and is probably the largest music genre

o f*** that!

[Ultimatum]

note: the ramones are to mellow to be punk and should i stay or should i go is not a punk song

guitar hero 1:
infected - bad religion
fat lip - sum 41

guitar hero 2:
salvation - rancid (only in 360 version)
search and destroy - iggy pop
killing in the name - rage against the machine

guitar hero: RT80's
police truck - dead kennedys

rock band
none

rock band dlc:
i fought the law - the clash
complete control - the clash
train in vain (stand by me) - the clash

guitar hero 3:
story of my life - social d
anarchy in the uk - the sex pistols
holiday in cambodia - DK
bulls on parade - rage against the machine

i would deffinitly say that punk would the best genre for rythym games, mainly rock band and to anyone saying that punk is just all fast power chords listen the clash, the sex pistols, dead kennedys, the bouncing souls, nofx, choking victim, leftover crack, anti-flag, gogol boredelo, rage against the machine, bad religion, and team spider

those are just a few off the top of my head

and punk also has the most diverse sub-genres so there is something for every one and is probably the largest music genre

How are The Ramones too mellow when you listed Sum 41 as Punk?

And RATM is definitely not Punk, and Iggy Pop is arguably not punk.

[Zeleii]

Punk = MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF ENERGY! Massive amounts of energy = fast playing .... fast playing = lots os strumming, lots of strumming = pain and no fun except on drums...

The Clash are the perfect punk band for Rock Band, it's not all energy they have talent as well as energy.

So more of The Clash = epic win!

London Calling next?

[killer_roach]

How are The Ramones too mellow when you listed Sum 41 as Punk?

And RATM is definitely not Punk, and Iggy Pop is arguably not punk.

Iggy Pop is punk... but calling Sum 41 punk is a bit of a stretch, even if they are devoid of talent :)

[Zeleii]

Iggy Pop is punk... but calling Sum 41 punk is a bit of a stretch, even if they are devoid of talent :)

Real punk is of the following
BOLD NAMES ARE IN GAMES!

NOFX
The Misfits
The Dead Kennedys
The Clash
The Ramones
Die Toten Hosen (Early 80s German punk)
The Sex Pistols
Iggy Pop
Rancid
Bad Religion

And some of those are in multiple games, not to mention Punk is one of the decent sized genres in Rock Band even if it does have Cherry Bomb and All the Small Things

[instantdeath999]

Punk = MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF ENERGY! Massive amounts of energy = fast playing .... fast playing = lots os strumming, lots of strumming = pain and no fun except on drums...

The Clash are the perfect punk band for Rock Band, it's not all energy they have talent as well as energy.

So more of The Clash = epic win!

London Calling next?

I agree with the above statement...

[TakeABow]

London Calling sounds good. Where do I sign up?

[Lithium_666]

Because the punk you are reffering to isnt mainstream, rock band likes either old or mainstream music (the reason everytime i listen to the radio at least 75% of the songs i hear are on rock band or a guitar hero game)

[leftover_crack]

Punk = MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF ENERGY! Massive amounts of energy = fast playing .... fast playing = lots os strumming, lots of strumming = fun for all instruments

The Clash are the perfect punk band for Rock Band, it's not all energy they have talent as well as energy.

So more of The Clash = epic win!

London Calling next?

fixed

i feel that the more energy a band has the funner it is to play

[Rockbandfan23467]

Actually, it's perfectly normal to believe the Ramones aren't Punk. Many believe they are Power-Pop or Pop-Punk.

[m00p]

Actually, it's perfectly normal to believe the Ramones aren't Punk. Many believe they are Power-Pop or Pop-Punk.

And Green Day is a "good band"

[GreenGrassAndy]

no not like rage against the machine becasue they also have punk views


exactly the opposite of the ramone's republican views

This is the kind of garbage that will get you sniffed out as a poser any day of the week.

RATM is liberal propaganda. Don't they have shirts with Che or whatever his name is, who is a communist?

Punk is supposed to be about anarchy, or lack of government.

Republicans, true conservative republicans (I'll give you, there aren't a lot lately), aim to decrease the size of government and its control over those it governs.

Communists feel that government should be in COMPLETE CONTROL over a citizen's life.

Tell me, which one is more punk?

[GreenGrassAndy]

"Rage Against the Machine were well-known for their radical left-wing politics which combined aspects of socialism and anarchism."

From Wikipedia.

Wow, how the Hell can you be socialist and an ANARCHIST?

Again, socialism... total government control.

Anarchy...zero government control.

I can't believe so many people fell for their ****, RATM was full of it up to their eyeballs. Anybody who could revere communists like Che Guevera yet also have anti-government sentiment must have multiple personalities.

[CM_Drunk]

Actually, it's perfectly normal to believe the Ramones aren't Punk. Many believe they are Power-Pop or Pop-Punk.

That might be the most ridiculous thing I ever heard.

FYI, when The Ramones came into exsistence, there was no such thing as Pop-Punk or any other dumb genre name you want to hand out.

So...by your rationale, the Misfits would be Goth then, right?

[GreenGrassAndy]

That might be the most ridiculous thing I ever heard.

FYI, when The Ramones came into exsistence, there was no such thing as Pop-Punk or any other dumb genre name you want to hand out.

So...by your rationale, the Misfits would be Goth then, right?

Actually, I believe that the Misfits fall into the horror punk genre :p

[CM_Drunk]

Thats not funny, Andy :\





























ok maybe a lil.

[ZortheConqueror]

Wow, wish I'd caught this thread earlier. Man.

Leftover_crack is a little misguided, but he has the basic idea down.

You people are a little confused, thinking that because a band inspired something, it automatically means that they are that thing.

Yes, despite what you seem to think loc, the Ramones were incredibly influential in the punk scene, inspiring pretty much every punk band to come after them in one way or another, though they may not be the main inspiration.

However, it's a bit of folly to think of the Ramones, and other early "punk" bands such as the Clash, as punk, since it hadn't really developed as a scene, an idea, a movement, or anything yet. The Ramones were trying to play pop songs, but didn't really have the talent for it. What they came up with inspired what we now know as punk, and so they are labeled as punk because of it, but this doesn't really mean they are. It's similar to how pulp writing of the 30s and 40s inspired film noir, but that doesn't make that writing film noir, since it can't meet the film requirement.

On the other hand, saying it isn't punk kinda just feels like you're trying to get far too technical. In general, when I think of punk, I think of the majority of the bands that came from the 80s and afterwards, because those were the bands that were really part of punk once it was truly developing. The majority of the bands considered punk from the 70s were trying to be something completely different from what we now perceive as punk.

It's certainly much easier to just think of these bands as punk and move on with your life. But someone claiming the Ramones aren't punk doesn't make them ignorant. In fact, claiming that someone is ignorant for saying they aren't punk just reveals your own great ignorance on the matter. Just because you've been told they're a punk band doesn't make you an expert on the subject.

On the subject of lyrics: Punk isn't just about left-wing lyrics. Punk has, in general, been just angrily raging against a world you don't feel a part of, and trying to express that feeling through not just the vocals but all instruments. In that sense, it's very similar to free-form jazz of the 1920s and 30s (back when jazz still meant something. Sigh...). This could mean raging against a (possibly perceived as) right-wing government, or a left-wing government. Or against an ex-lover, a friend, a peer, an enemy, anything. The songs don't have to just be "god is a lie, the government is trying to control us." They can be about anything. What makes it punk is the spirit, the energy, and the anger.



This is the kind of garbage that will get you sniffed out as a poser any day of the week.

RATM is liberal propaganda. Don't they have shirts with Che or whatever his name is, who is a communist?

Ch&#233; Guevara, yeah.


Punk is supposed to be about anarchy, or lack of government.

Republicans, true conservative republicans (I'll give you, there aren't a lot lately), aim to decrease the size of government and its control over those it governs.

Communists feel that government should be in COMPLETE CONTROL over a citizen's life.

Tell me, which one is more punk?

You've never actually studied communism, have you?

The goal of communism, as defined by Karl Marx, is to use existing political systems to achieve the ultimate goal of a peaceful anarchy. This starts with democratically elected leaders, who then make their power total so as to more easily distribute goods and services. Then, once everyone is set up in well formed, well-working communes, the government dissolves completely.

Of course, this would never work. People could never possibly live together in peaceful harmony in a world without government (not quite the brutish Hobbes state of nature, but he's not too far off). There's also no one who's ever lived who would accept all that power on to their shoulders and then just willingly give it all up when "the time is ripe."

Marx was brilliant, but he was a complete nut job.

[CM_Drunk]

That was a well thought out, nicely structured post.

But...The Ramones are punk, just like Black Sabbath is metal, although the genre hadnt been discovered yet during their time.

[Rockbandfan23467]

One thing I don't get is why the definition of metal changes over time.

20 years ago, Jimi Hendrix, Led Zeppelin, Van Halen, AC/DC and others were matal, now they aren't?

[leftover_crack]

socialism... total government control.



you know nothing

almost every country has socialist ideas

even amerikkka has some socialist ideas

taxes are a form of socialism

[BillLauren]

you know nothing

almost every country has socialist ideas

even amerikkka has some socialist ideas

taxes are a form of socialism

Be nice!

Remember the Golden Rule!

:)

[leftover_crack]

This is the kind of garbage that will get you sniffed out as a poser any day of the week.

RATM is liberal propaganda. Don't they have shirts with Che or whatever his name is, who is a communist?

Punk is supposed to be about anarchy, or lack of government.

Republicans, true conservative republicans (I'll give you, there aren't a lot lately), aim to decrease the size of government and its control over those it governs.

Communists feel that government should be in COMPLETE CONTROL over a citizen's life.

Tell me, which one is more punk?

no,

Stalin was not a communist
Lennin was not a communist


no leader is communist

carl marks is communist and in his ideas he believed there would be no need for a government in communism because people would be able to cooperate because the wouldn't be any groups or parties to separate people so people would just make compromises

[Ultimatum]

This is the kind of garbage that will get you sniffed out as a poser any day of the week.

RATM is liberal propaganda. Don't they have shirts with Che or whatever his name is, who is a communist?

Punk is supposed to be about anarchy, or lack of government.

Republicans, true conservative republicans (I'll give you, there aren't a lot lately), aim to decrease the size of government and its control over those it governs.

Communists feel that government should be in COMPLETE CONTROL over a citizen's life.

Tell me, which one is more punk?

Communism, on paper, is essentially a perfect society where everyone is equal, but in practice it is far from the truth.

[leftover_crack]

Communism, on paper, is essentially a perfect society where everyone is equal, but in practice it is far from the truth.

actually its never been practiced


the "comunism" that has been used is just dictatorship

[Ultimatum]

It's an ideal that is used to lead the populace into a leader's complete and total grasp, yes.

Communism has never really been practiced, but it never really will because a utopian society cannot be achieved.

[GreenGrassAndy]

Ché Guevara, yeah.



You've never actually studied communism, have you?

The goal of communism, as defined by Karl Marx, is to use existing political systems to achieve the ultimate goal of a peaceful anarchy. This starts with democratically elected leaders, who then make their power total so as to more easily distribute goods and services. Then, once everyone is set up in well formed, well-working communes, the government dissolves completely.

Of course, this would never work. People could never possibly live together in peaceful harmony in a world without government (not quite the brutish Hobbes state of nature, but he's not too far off). There's also no one who's ever lived who would accept all that power on to their shoulders and then just willingly give it all up when "the time is ripe."

Marx was brilliant, but he was a complete nut job.

Well, in reality that is not how it is at all. The ideal would be, perhaps, to reach your "peaceful anarchy," however look at communist nations in the past. They all devolve into a society where government controls everybody, and usually ultimate power resides in a very few hands instead of all of them.

You can say that I haven't studied communism, but I know about the facts. Communist societies always devolve into a powerful government and a weak population. Show me one case in which a government that declared itself communist actually gave up total control of the government. In theory, sure, in practice...not so much.

[Ultimatum]

You're a little late....

[m00p]

Just remember to keep on topic guys.

Thank You..

[killer_roach]

It's an ideal that is used to lead the populace into a leader's complete and total grasp, yes.

Communism has never really been practiced, but it never really will because a utopian society cannot be achieved.

"A government that is strong enough to give you everything you want is also strong enough to take away everything you have." - Thomas Jefferson