Needs less Metal!

[tron5555]

When I was playing through guitar hero 2 I thought there was far too much metal in the game. Metal has a pretty small following when compared to Indy Rock, Pop Rock, or a lot of other forms of rock. I certainly hope there's a lot less metal in rock band.

Where are the classics that so many people want to play/sing, like

American Pie - Don Mclean
Pianoman - Billy Joel
Some beatles songs!
Eric Clapton!
Father and Son - Cat Stevens
Imagine - Lennon
Nirvana - Smells like Teen Spirit or Come as you are

these are songs that almost everybody knows and a lot of people enjoy, I know I've sung a couple of these with mates without words in front of us.

So the above I see as something a lot of people would enjoy, on a personal note, I'd like to see a bit more alternative/indy stuff, like radiohead, smashing pumpkins, oasis, the shins.

[Rev0lver]

of course i know them, but they suck and would be boring.

[saosintheyperch]

When I was playing through guitar hero 2 I thought there was far too much metal in the game. Metal has a pretty small following when compared to Indy Rock, Pop Rock, or a lot of other forms of rock. I certainly hope there's a lot less metal in rock band.

Where are the classics that so many people want to play/sing, like

American Pie - Don Mclean
Pianoman - Billy Joel
Some beatles songs!
Eric Clapton!
Father and Son - Cat Stevens
Imagine - Lennon
Nirvana - Smells like Teen Spirit or Come as you are

these are songs that almost everybody knows and a lot of people enjoy, I know I've sung a couple of these with mates without words in front of us.

So the above I see as something a lot of people would enjoy, on a personal note, I'd like to see a bit more alternative/indy stuff, like radiohead, smashing pumpkins, oasis, the shins.

but metal has all the sick drumming and guitar solos, if we play all that stuff it would be catchy and so on but eventually too repetitive and boring, metal will make it so much more fun and better. and besides i prefer metal/hardcore music

[Metalhead07]

Actually, Metal has one of the biggest, craziest followings of all the music genres.

There should definately be more Metal! Not metal-core, but Real Metal, like more Iron Maiden, more Megadeth, Symphony X, Evergrey, Opeth, Nightwish, Helloween, In Flames (pre 2000), Therion, Shadows Fall, Savatage, Fear Factory, Meshuggah, Running Wild, Obituary, Dio, Ozzy, Black Sabbath (besides Iron Man), Metallica (before the Black album), Pantera, Nile, etc, etc, etc...

Heck, they should just only Metal in it and call it Metal Hero!

[Hellbourne]

Piano Man doesn't have much of a guitar part...

Although it's a great song, I don't know how feasible it would be for Rock Band.

[benjamin]

There are better Nirvana songs, in fact. I think that the entire Nevermind album is not as good as In Utero.

[Brock_Landers]

hah this has to be a joke post right? Don't get me wrong, I enjoy Piano Man and American Pie as much as the next guy, but there's no way I'd consider them fun to "rock"(band) to

[3kage3]

When I was playing through guitar hero 2 I thought there was far too much metal in the game. Metal has a pretty small following when compared to Indy Rock, Pop Rock, or a lot of other forms of rock. I certainly hope there's a lot less metal in rock band.

Where are the classics that so many people want to play/sing, like

American Pie - Don Mclean
Pianoman - Billy Joel
Some beatles songs!
Eric Clapton!
Father and Son - Cat Stevens
Imagine - Lennon
Nirvana - Smells like Teen Spirit or Come as you are

these are songs that almost everybody knows and a lot of people enjoy, I know I've sung a couple of these with mates without words in front of us.

So the above I see as something a lot of people would enjoy, on a personal note, I'd like to see a bit more alternative/indy stuff, like radiohead, smashing pumpkins, oasis, the shins.

everything in there suck eccept nirvana

[Angry_Games]

I love metal, always have, always will. I'd buy any guitar hero-type game that had all the metallica songs up to the Black album. I'd pay 3x what it was worth, because that's the entire reason I started playing guitar back in the 80's. My first concert ever (other than going with my mom to a Tom Jones concert when I was about 7 and freaking out because crazy, screaming women where throwing bras and panties on stage and trying to climb on stage, and....omg I'll never forget, my MOM WAS ONE OF THOSE WOMEN...kill me please) was Metallica's Justice tour in Daytona Beach, FL, 1989.

but

vuh-rye-it-ee is the spice of life. Metal is great. Variety is what appeals to the masses, and sells products. While many of us would love a metal-only release, 10x more customer would be appealed to with serious variety from Journey to AC/DC to Zepplin to Linkin Park to Eric Johnson to Jimi Hendrix to Van Morrison to *gag* Coldplay, etc.

I still love Guitar Hero 1 MUCH more than #2 because of the excellent variety. I ain't really met no one that thinks #2 is a better selection of songs, even though #2 does have variety. Just not diverse enough, methinks.


hah this has to be a joke post right? Don't get me wrong, I enjoy Piano Man and American Pie as much as the next guy, but there's no way I'd consider them fun to "rock"(band) to

why does it have to be a joke post? Name me at least one song from the Guitar Hero games that you just KNEW was going to be weak and stupid and boring to play...that ended up a hell of a lot of fun.

Name me any movie that your girlfriend/wife bugged you to watch with her and you did only because you wanted to please her or not sleep on the couch even though you knew it would be absolute torture because it was some stupid 'chick flick' etc, and then you ended up (usually secretly lol) liking the movie a lot.

Need I go on?

How do you know if you like sauteed snails if you've never actually tried them? (I have, they are gross like dirty snot boogers). How would you know if you liked anything without actually seeing it in action and trying it yourself?

And finally, how can you be sure you'd feel this way if Piano Man or American Pie was the song that got your girlfriend/wife totally interested in playing the game with you? Maybe Brown Eyed Girl by Van Morrison got your grandma to get a Wii and play with you. Maybe Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy is what got the Old Biker Chick Reformation Society to stop dealing meth and start playing Rock Band, saving many lives (as well as many eyes since they wouldn't ride around on Harley motorcycles with tight leather thongs and halter tops honking at you while you are walking home from school with your friends as they'd be too busy competing against other chapters of the society over Xbox Live)?

[3kage3]

and metal is what makes the world go round

[Angry_Games]

and metal is what makes the world go round

for a select few, but not for the majority.

if it did, metal would have replaced "top 40" and country and hip-hop as the #1 genre of music.

last I heard, it still lags pretty far behind hip-hop, contemporary, country, alternative, etc

[Rev0lver]

i'd kill myself if i saw my favorite metal bands on mtv with fall out boy and nelly

[METALMETALMETAL]

how can you say that!?
nothing needs less metal, only more
metal is a perfect blend of powerful guitar playing, intense bass lines, extreme drumming and amazing vocals
if you think that anything needs less metal, you need a serious brain check
and metal is one of the largest groups of rock followings there is
nothing is bigger than Megadeth or Metallica
name one band that is not metal that is better known and then ill change my opinion

[Angry_Games]

how can you say that!?
nothing needs less metal, only more
metal is a perfect blend of powerful guitar playing, intense bass lines, extreme drumming and amazing vocals
if you think that anything needs less metal, you need a serious brain check
and metal is one of the largest groups of rock followings there is
nothing is bigger than Megadeth or Metallica
name one band that is not metal that is better known and then ill change my opinion

if you believe that metal is the most popular music genre, you should put down the bong and step away from the weed.

I'm not trying to be rude, but you need to face some reality. I love metal more than anything else, but I've stopped doing the drugs and seen reality that metal is maybe, at best, the #5 genre of music.

Don't believe me? Do your own research. Don't go to "ilovemetal.com!" or anything like that either...get it from an unbiased research group who's job it is to track such things.

metallica and megadeth are popular, sure, but not even remotely close to being as popular as say Christina Aguilera, Britney Spears, Coldplay, U2, Pink Floyd....I could go on and on and on but you'd probably still not believe me because once you get something in your head, you refuse to believe anything else. (it's ok, I used to be the same way).

Ok, name ONE band that is better known than any metal band?

I'll do you better, I'll name a lot within the span of a few minutes

Coldplay
Alannis Morrisette
Celine Dion
Christina Aguilera
Britney Spears
Justin Timberlake
N 'Synch
Backstreet Boys
Black Eyed Peas
Gwyn Stefani
Pink
Toby Keith (country)
Dixie Chicks
Carrie Underwood
Kelly Clarkston
Jay-Z
eminem
50-Cent
R Kelly
Prince
Phil Collins
Genesis
The Beatles
Elvis


but wait, don't take MY word for it...let's do a little research...

hey, RIAA's own list!

http://www.riaa.com/gp/bestsellers/topalbums.asp

wow, I only see...Metallica and Guns n Roses in the first half of that list...gee, thats maybe two or three albums out of...100 so far...

So see, I'm not trying to argue, but when you come in here with these pseudofacts, I got to tell you, you should do a little research before you go posting anything. And don't ask your friends who are sitting around taking bong hits with you because they aren't 'normal' people (ie people who actually spend the money on music). Sure they might buy a cd here and there, but MILLIONS of americans and canadians and europeans...they buy billions of dollars worth of cd's and music from iTunes and metal hardly registers on the radar when you look at the BIG PICTURE.

As I said, metal is my favorite. I love old Metallica (not the new Selloutica), Megadeth, Mudvayne, Godsmack, Disturbed, all that stuff. More than everything else. But I'm also in touch with reality enough to know that while it is my favorite, and many other listeners' favorite, it's barely more than a fart in a windstorm compared to the what is REALLY popular.

ps: a band better known than metallica that isn't metal?

why, that would be #1 on the RIAA's all-time best selling album list...The Eagles. And #2 Michael Jackson...oh I could go on but I'm pretty sure you get the point...

[Rev0lver]

i'll agree with you angry games. in fact, i dont even WANT metal to be extremely popular. i like the small shows i go to to see mushroomhead, HORSE the band, all that remains, etc. i would hate it if all the preppy girls were going around talking about how hot so and so's lead singer is and them being all over MTV.

[Angry_Games]

i'll agree with you angry games. in fact, i dont even WANT metal to be extremely popular. i like the small shows i go to to see mushroomhead, HORSE the band, all that remains, etc. i would hate it if all the preppy girls were going around talking about how hot so and so's lead singer is and them being all over MTV.

heh

well I don't mind if something good gets popular (as long as they don't sell out like Metallica). I'm just not really wanting a pure metal game, unless it is a full genre of metal (Guitar Hero Metal, Guitar Hero Country, Guitar Hero Hip-Hop, whatever).

but the game MUST have some variety, and variety means a GOOD MIX of genres, not 70% metal and 30% everything else.

The game MUST be popular to the general masses, and a metal version is only going to be popular to a select group that is NOT even close to being mainstream majority.

[Rev0lver]

the mainstream majority is rap, hip hop, and pop. the game is called rock band.

[Bloodlust]

Coldplay - 30 million
Alannis Morrisette - Uknown (more than 50 million)
Celine Dion - 175 million (wow)
Christina Aguilera - 30 million
Britney Spears - 31 million
Justin Timberlake - 14 million
N 'Synch - 80 million
Backstreet Boys - 100 million
Black Eyed Peas - 20 million
Gwyn Stefani - 30 million
Pink - 25 million
Toby Keith (country) - 15 million
Dixie Chicks - 30 million
Carrie Underwood - 6 million
Kelly Clarkston - 18 million
Jay-Z - Unknown (Est. 35 million)
eminem - 70 million
50-Cent - 21 million
R Kelly - 50 million
Prince - Unknown
Phil Collins - 100 million
Genesis - 150 million
The Beatles - 1+ billion albums
Elvis - 1+ billion albums

NOW.

Let's compare.

Metallica - 90 million
Megadeth - 25 million
Slayer - 15 million
Anthrax - 10 million

You forget that trends come and go, but metal fans often stick with the bands until the end. Plus, you put in acts like Elvis and the Beatles comparing them to metal bands when they're both pop bands, appealing to pop fans, so yeah.

Metal is one of the highest selling and is the most consistant genre field. For example, Thrash Metal gained steam in the early 90s, and still has about half the popularity. It's also rising again, and this is due to the newer generation finding said bands. Really, metal never dies. It's the champion, it has the most loyal and dedicated fanbase.

[777UnderOath777]

i think it should be like at least half metal, cause the game is called ROCK band, not like POP band or RAP band. but there should be other types of rock so that it will be more popular than if it were all metal and nothing else

[Brock_Landers]

I don't really want to jump in in this iffy debate, but while Elvis and The Beatles may have been popular, most consider them rock.. y'know, as as in rock n roll

[Angry_Games]

I don't really want to jump in in this iffy debate, but while Elvis and The Beatles may have been popular, most consider them rock.. y'know, as as in rock n roll

exactly, ROCK band. Metal, alternative, progressive, emo, they are all different genres, but they all fall under the general category of Rock.

I want variety in my rock. I don't want just metal because it won't be all that popular (some metalheads might think so, but that just isn't the case...games MUST appeal to the vast majority, and the vast majority...they just don't want pure metal, or even mostly metal...they want something appealing and something they know, which is a variety of rock and rock's sub-genres).

Metal is ok for me and some of you, but it won't appeal to my brother, my girlfriend, my cousins, 75% of my friends, etc. A helping of metal with a generous portion of rock, alternative, progressive, grunge, even industrial is what will sell this game to the largest demographic.

Elvis and the Beatles were DEFINITELY rock & roll, as is Led Zep, Rush, AC/DC, Eagles, Journey, etc.

[tron5555]

Thanks for the support Angry Games. I certainly see how Metal has a big part in this series of games, and I even get into the songs when playing them on GH2, because I can appreciate the skill it would take to play these songs for real, and also because I can hear the song broken down into instruments much better than before.

I can see how piano man really wouldn't work, I'm probably getting a bit carried away with the karaoke aspect of rock star, and really that's why we have singstar (though, the choice of tracks is about 10 times worse over there).

I just hope there's even more variety with rock band, i like the idea of a "metal band" to appease the metal heads and a vareity pack for the masses.

P.S. I was under the impression that 'rock' means Lead Guitar, Bass Guitar, drummer. From wiki, "Rock music is a form of popular music with a prominent vocal melody accompanied by guitar, drums, and bass."

[3kage3]

Thanks for the support Angry Games. I certainly see how Metal has a big part in this series of games, and I even get into the songs when playing them on GH2, because I can appreciate the skill it would take to play these songs for real, and also because I can hear the song broken down into instruments much better than before.

I can see how piano man really wouldn't work, I'm probably getting a bit carried away with the karaoke aspect of rock star, and really that's why we have singstar (though, the choice of tracks is about 10 times worse over there).

I just hope there's even more variety with rock band, i like the idea of a "metal band" to appease the metal heads and a vareity pack for the masses.

P.S. I was under the impression that 'rock' means Lead Guitar, Bass Guitar, drummer. From wiki, "Rock music is a form of popular music with a prominent vocal melody accompanied by guitar, drums, and bass."

dont you mena rockband

[DeadToTheWorld]

why not make genre specific variety of games, i mean its the controlers that cost so much, make a metal hero, rock hero, country hero, pop hero....i guess that might spread the company budget thin, but maybe just make alot of downloadable songs with the next generation of consoles out.

either way i know it will kick ass, for me the more metal the better, but either way im going to play the hell out of it

[Angry_Games]

why not make genre specific variety of games, i mean its the controlers that cost so much, make a metal hero, rock hero, country hero, pop hero....i guess that might spread the company budget thin, but maybe just make alot of downloadable songs with the next generation of consoles out.

either way i know it will kick ass, for me the more metal the better, but either way im going to play the hell out of it

yep, this is what I am hoping for in the long run

Rock Band
Metal Band
Blues Band
Country Band
Crap Band (heh, all the crap no one likes will be in this one)

[Ardius]

I dont see the argument.........who gave you the idea that the game would have ONLY metal in it? Harmonix arent that stupid. Have you just been reading peoples setlists and assuming thats what the will be like?

Myself and others have always said for people to try and keep variety in their setlists and also for people not to be dissappointed when it turns out that every song isnt a metal song. I mean, look at GH80's, people were complaining all week when they found out only 15 of the 30 songs on it, just because only 2 or 3 of them were metal and the rest were not. However, they do not represent the general population, nothing on internet forums ever does.

Quit worrying, you know as well as I do that they would never try and market the game to one genre of music.
The only thing I would like them to do is focus a little more on the "true" metal, i.e. Black, Death, Melodic Death, Folk, NWOBHM, etc.. Rather than focusing on mainstream metal like Metallica and the like.

Guns N Roses arent metal. If anything, they are more hard rock or pop/rock. Please, if you are going to bash metal, research it properly. Metal is a large following genre, it is just as large as Pop or Dance. However, as you have pointed out, it is not covered by the media as much and is still almost like some social taboo, (probably because of Cannibal Corpse' lyrics, rofl). A lot of the best of the metal scene are underground bands which get next to nothing media coverage, many bands are like this. This is nothing to do with un-popularity in my opinion, it is due largely to the fact that MTV, the charts or whoever dont seem to believe that anyone would like it, so they rarely cover it.
Why does a metal band have to be on the best-sellers chart to prove their popular? Most of that list is made up, purely because of the difficulty of trying to find out how many records the artist sold (especially in the 50s and 60s, when such things were not recorded). Also, some bands may be attempting to seem like they are selling far more than they really are.
Another point, does the list count bootlegs? Does it count illegal downloads?
No.
Therefore, you cannot begin to try and figure out popularity when a large majority of people never buy singles or albums in shops or online anyway.

Hmm, lets see, ill name the metal bands that were in GH2 shall I?
1. Black Sabbath
2. The Sword
3. Anthrax
4. Lamb of God (a bit iffy, I consider them more metalcore, but whatever)
5. Megadeth
6. Suicidal Tendencies
7. Iron Maiden

WOW A WHOLE 7 METAL ARTISTS! THAT GAME REALLY MUST HAVE A LOT OF METAL IN IT! 7/48 ARTISTS REALLY MEANS THAT ITS DOMINATED BY METAL DOESNT IT?

Seriously, you are over-reacting, insulting metal as a genre of popular music and essentially suggesting Harmonix are stupid enough to release a game aimed at one audience.

[Shatter66]

Metal gives you the type songs where you are shreddin' and facemelting like crazy. But come on, Eric Clapton? WTF.

Yeah, tell you what, let's throw some EMO in there too. (sarcasm)

And while we're at it we can put in some sucky songs by Matcbox 20. XD

Oh wait, then the game would have to be renamed "I Love the Cock Band"

[Angry_Games]

Oh wait, then the game would have to be renamed "I Love the Cock Band"

it would appeal to a lot more people for sure, because the general population digs the "CockRock" much more than they do the hardcore stuff.

[trojanblue50]

Love metal but it has to be the old stuff screamo music is gay and pointless!!!!!:mad:

[tron5555]

I'm not bashing metal.. all I'm saying is that my impression when playing GH2, was that there was a lot of metal. I personally don't like metal(outside the mainstream stuff), so I'm trying to be the voice of the 'rest of us'. You can continue to misinterpret that however you like.

These forums are full of people talking about metal, I've read so many posts from people saying they want to be able to play such and such, small niche of metal, I've read quite a few ultimate setlists with nothing but metal in them, maybe you're scaring all the non-metal heads away!

[Rev0lver]

ardius, good points. but i would think the sword would be more just rock more than metal, and suicidal tendencies more of a punk band.

and trojanblue, maybe its just what you hear in the mainstream like hawthorne heights and that kind of ****. listen to some human abstract or protest the hero.

and tron, i don't see what you mean. 5 out of 48 songs were metal in GH2.

[RedinTheSky]

exactly, ROCK band. Metal, alternative, progressive, emo, they are all different genres, but they all fall under the general category of Rock.

I want variety in my rock. I don't want just metal because it won't be all that popular (some metalheads might think so, but that just isn't the case...games MUST appeal to the vast majority, and the vast majority...they just don't want pure metal, or even mostly metal...they want something appealing and something they know, which is a variety of rock and rock's sub-genres).

Metal is ok for me and some of you, but it won't appeal to my brother, my girlfriend, my cousins, 75% of my friends, etc. A helping of metal with a generous portion of rock, alternative, progressive, grunge, even industrial is what will sell this game to the largest demographic.

Are you actually on the advertising team for Rockband ? Why do you write about things like sales and what's the most popular ? Have you ever heard American Idol ? What's popular should be what we definitely don't ever want. It's ok if you don't like metal everyone has their own taste in music, but this is a game called Rockband and the emphasis is going to be on instruments, not ass popular music.

I'd like to add that now that these types of games are popular, maybe people that have developed some appreciation for instrumental proficency (maybe it was there all along, but it was drowned out by the crap on the radio) would like to hear some songs with more musical substance.

[Kutsic]

I'd personally like to know where everyone gets the idea GH2 was loaded with metal songs. The setlist(excluding bonus tracks and including the songs from the 360 version) has 8 songs that I can see being classified as metal, meaning that roughly a fifth of the games songs are metal songs. So unless hard rock suddenly became the same thing as metal, then there wasn't alot of metal in the game at all.

Also, while there are quite a large amount of ****ty metal bands who's songs are the same thing over and over again, the actual bands with talent are among the most technically proficiant musicians alive. I dare any drummer outside of the metal world to compete with Flo Mounier, Mike Portnoy, Frost, and Hellhammer. And for anyone that thinks that metal vocals could not be reproduced by every person, the game could easily, like one person pointed out, use the same method that Singstar uses by monitering only the notes being hit rather than the actual voice. In Singstar the person playing can talk, hum, mumble, or even scream and growl the words as long as they hit the correct notes, so I'm assuming it would work just the same in any other game of it's type.

[Angry_Games]

Are you actually on the advertising team for Rockband ? Why do you write about things like sales and what's the most popular ? Have you ever heard American Idol ? What's popular should be what we definitely don't ever want. It's ok if you don't like metal everyone has their own taste in music, but this is a game called Rockband and the emphasis is going to be on instruments, not ass popular music.

I'd like to add that now that these types of games are popular, maybe people that have developed some appreciation for instrumental proficency (maybe it was there all along, but it was drowned out by the crap on the radio) would like to hear some songs with more musical substance.

no i do not work for Harmonix or any of these companies.

I mention sales and popularity because that is what drives companies to invest heavily into making these games. Why bother spending millions of dollars developing a game that won't make nearly as much money as a game that appeals to the masses? There is no reason, and game developers rarely go down this path once they are established (why do you think we see so many sequels?).

Everyone wants their own personal favorite things in a game. That's all good and well, but a lot of you miss the point, and you have this perception about what YOU think is popular vs the reality of what the majority thinks is popular. 1,000 of you think you want a guitar hero-type game full of Dragonforce, Death, all kinds of your favorite metal bits.

In the real world, the 1,000 of you might, if you are lucky, result in sales of about 10,000-100,000.

However, if Harmonix makes a game that appeals to the masses (ie a variety of music instead of a single sub-genre like metal), you will appeal to potentially 3,000,000 (xbox360 owners) to however many owners of Wii and PS3 there are (if they made it for Playstation2, they'd have a potential customer base of around 120,000,000, as that is the current penetration rate of the Ps2 hardware).

So, if you are on the business end of the decision, not the guy in the forum screaming you got to have metal and all other music types are gay, and you are under the terribly incorrect impression that "popular" means "Britney Spears" and "Dwight Yokam" will be the types of music in a game titled "Rock Band" (clearly which Britney and Dwight are NOT a part of such a genre as "rock and roll"), then you are looking to appeal to the largest customer base.

Your first game out of the blocks definitely isn't going to be SCREAMY METAL BANSHEE BAND or DEATH METAL BAND or DRAGONFORCE BAND or any nonsense like that.

ROCK BAND implies that you are going to draw music/songs from the ENTIRE Rock & Roll genre, not some barely popular sub-genre like thrash, death, screamy metal, etc. It implies that ANY AND ALL rock genre music should be within the limits of the game's name, ROCK BAND.

It's very simple really. The main reason I talk numbers and sales and popularity is because I work in the computer industry and I have to study the exact same demographics for my work as Harmonix and other video game devs have to so they can assure the greatest number of customers. It's common sense. You never want to sell to the lowest potential of customers. You definitely want to maximize sales and profits by putting out a product that will appeal to as many demographics as possible without alienating any possible demographics (though that will always happen, most companies try to minimize that).

Instead of getting angry because I've mentioned "popular" music, you should look into the mass appeal of the "popular" music and see that it does not only include Britney, Christina, Celine Dion, etc....especially when "popular" music like that does not fit into the genre of "rock" as in ROCK BAND.

There are however, a nearly limitless number of choices that DO fall within the genre of ROCK to choose from. There is so much popular "rock" music, anything from AC/DC to Zep to .38 Special to Rush to Disturbed to Godsmack to Incubus to POD to Alice in Chains to Pearl Jam to Rage Against The Machine to...well, like I said, limitless almost. I don't see any Michael Jackson or Kelly Clarkston or Cher or such in there...but I do see plenty of songs in the rock genre pool to possibly include.

The point we've tried to make is that with many users here and at Guitar Hero forums screaming for METAL METAL METAL METAL METAL METAL METAL METAL METAL METAL METAL METAL METAL METAL METAL METAL METAL METAL METAL METAL METAL METAL METAL METAL METAL METAL METAL!!! is not healthy for a game, especially the first game in the series.

You are right, you cannot please everyone. But you can appeal to a heck of a lot more users by not limiting the choices within the game to just a single or even a couple of sub-genres of the "rock" genre. It wouldn't be right for anyone but a few selfish individuals, and it would definitely be a turn-off for the masses that the game is going to be marketed to.

If it don't appeal to the masses, it ain't going to sell well, and if it don't sell well, there won't be any more games like it.

Once the game is established, Harmonix definitely should talk EA into doing what a lot of us have asked for, and provide specific genres of music in expansions or as DLC so that not only does the primary game appeal to as many consumers as possible, but the expansions/DLC will target specific customers who are looking for specific sub-genres of music that they want more than any other.

You can't do it backwards and offer only specific sub-genres of music that won't appeal to hardly anyone compared to the mass appeal that a huge chunk of variety will appeal to in the initial release.

[Zero82087]

Despite all that has been said in this thread (yes I have read it all), I would still have to say it would be nice if there were more metal songs in the game than were in guitar hero 1 and 2. Since not even half of them were metal it would be nice to include more. ALL sub genres of metal should be included in these type of games from pop/glam metal to death metal. I'm not saying there shouldn't be other types of rock music, but that I would like to see more metal. I'm all for the idea of them making Specific games such as Metal Hero/Metal Band, Blues Hero/Band, etc. I really think THAT would be a great idea to market different music genre/sub genre specific games for different people. I don't know if it will make the most money, but it certainly has a chance. Plus games should be about enjoyment of the player instead of making a piece of crap game that costs way more than it should. Well that's my idea. I love metal and would like more of it so I would definitely buy Metal Hero or Metal Band (HINT HINT Harmonix)

[Apples]

In my GH2 circle, the most un-metal songs are generally the most popular. Things like Jessica, Texas Flood, Godzilla, Frankenstein, and Higher Ground all get top billing. All of the really metal stuff gets played once max, if at all.

I'm sure metal has it's place, and it's fans, and I respect that. I think however, that there's a larger general audience with other musical interests besides metal. IMO metal should just be a singular piece of a larger collage of music types.

I think what is a more realistic goal is to see a generic Rock Band setlist, with a mix of songs/genres, and then huge expansion packs that specialize in different types. If Rock Band came with a balanced setlist out of the box, and then a 40 song "METAL CLASSICS" expansion a month later, you would please all parties concerned. The metal heads would have their songs, the non-metal heads would have an optional add-on.

The real beauty of this game, is that once the core 'engine' is set up, specialized content can be cranked out en-masse. Imagine a country-theme expansion pack one month, metal the next, pop aftewards, 70's, 80's, etc. etc.... I really thought that GH2 for the 360 was going to cash in on this idea with their Marketplace, but instead they screwed the pooch as far as the 360 and downloads are concerned.

[Zero82087]

That actually does sound like a good idea, and I agree with how the guitar hero II downloads were just.... ha.. terrible.

[Ardius]

I'm not bashing metal.. all I'm saying is that my impression when playing GH2, was that there was a lot of metal. I personally don't like metal(outside the mainstream stuff), so I'm trying to be the voice of the 'rest of us'. You can continue to misinterpret that however you like.

These forums are full of people talking about metal, I've read so many posts from people saying they want to be able to play such and such, small niche of metal, I've read quite a few ultimate setlists with nothing but metal in them, maybe you're scaring all the non-metal heads away!

Groans......do you actually think these forums really gain or ever represent the fanbases for games? Not really. Having loads of threads asking for metal isnt going to change a lot. Mostly because a lot of them are spam threads or just random crap.

Unfortuntely, you are insulting metal because you are essentially saying that "most" of GH2 was metal when it clearly wasnt. You claim that metal is a small niche market, when it clearly isnt..........metal is a highly popular genre and is easily up there with Pop, Dance, Rock, Indie, etc.

If I go by your logic, then surely metal is highly popular because of the large amount of posts on the forum?
Fortunately, I realise that people that actually bother to register on forums do not make up any significant majority in the amount of people that play the game.

Again:
STOP WORRYING ABOUT IT, HARMONIX IS NOT STUPID AND WE ALL KNOW THAT AN ALL-METAL GAME WOULD NOT SELL. OF COURE THEY WILL BALANCE THE SETLISTS APPROPRIATELY, DO YOU HONESTLY THINK THAT THEY WILL MAKE AN ALL DEATH METAL SETLIST?

If you dont like the extremes of metal, fine. But some of us DO want it to be in the game, just like you want Rockabilly or Alternative or whatever you want in the game.
So, my basic question is:
What are you complaining about? The amount of random spam posts and usual forum crap? or are you complaining about extreme-metal being included in the game?
because your argument about GH2 having "too much metal" and fearing Rock Band will have more is completely stupid. As I have stated before, GH2 only had a max of 7 metal artists in it! Even some of those shouldnt really be considered metal.

[Angry_Games]

I think it's more about the amount of posters asking for metal when the forum posters don't actually represent an accurate cross-section of the customers that will end up purchasing the game.

His argument about Rock Band potentially having too much metal is not stupid at all when you look at the amount of posters that are doing exactly what has been said in this thread...posting metal this and metal that in this section, and a good chunk of setlists are predominantly metal (and that goes back to the forum demographic posting these things not being an accurate pircture of the demographics that will actually purchase the game).

There's no need to call anyone stupid, nor to shout out to us that Harmonix isn't stupid. We probably knew that at the same time or before you did, or we wouldn't be here clogging up their forums with set lists. But everyone has a hope. A lot of posters here hope for at least one of their metal choices making it into the game. I've got my own metal choices I'd love to play. We aren't stupid either, so we know they aren't making a game called Rock Band and filling it with death metal. That's pretty obvious also.

No one is insulting metal either. We are being realistic. I've no doubt that every poster in this thread that says "less metal" has a favorite metal song or three they like, and would love to play. Metal, while not a "niche" market like say a sub-genre of metal (thrash, death, etc), is not nearly as popular as other "mainstream" genres (pop, hip-hop, rock, country). There's really nothing to argue or debate here. We are simply hoping for a lot of variety, and not a lot of 'metal variety'. We all have wives, girlfriends, female friends, non-gamer friends, moms and dads, grandmas, whatever, that we'd love to have the game appeal to as to get them playing WITH us. A lot of screamy metal loud noisy banging is not something that really appeals to a lot of people...especially people we'd like to play that game with us.

As for whether or not the forums represent fanbase, in a sense they do. The fans that take the time to register and post regularly and coherently (like we are all doing) definitely can be considered the 'hardcore' fans, especially months before the actual game is even released (and we've seen like...5 screenshots of the game haha). Hardcore fans might not make up an accurate demographic of ALL those that purchase the game (or will purchase at some point), but they are the most vocal fans that the developers will ever have to deal with, and at some point, their never-ending vocalization of praises or complaints in the forum will at least force the developers to pay attention to any rising trends (ie if a good majority scream they wanted more Bee Gees, the devs would definitely have to take that screaming seriously enough to investigate if this is an accurate representation of their customer base), whether positive or negative.

[jesterozzy]

To start, im completly insane, and nothing I say makes sense or holds any value.
With that out of the way, Ill give my two-bits.

Guitar Hero- This game was named Guitar Hero for a reason. The idea was to allow gamers the thrill of playing highly technical guitar tracks, as well as Bass/Rythem tracks with GH2. These games consisted of MOSTLY Rock Songs, from a wide array of Artists, mostly being covers by another band. At the release of Guitar Hero, it was largly unaccepted by gamers in general. It took time for the concept to catch on.

Rock Band - This game is in development to allow gamers the thrill of playing in a Rock Band. Guitar, Bass, Drums, Vocals. This game already has a large following due the gradually building success of the Guitar Hero series.

The song selection for Rock Band by the devs isnt going to be anything like their method of choosing songs for GH. In the GH series they didnt use the most popular song from every artist featured, they chose based on the adaptability of the Guitar track to the games mechanisms, and the complexity of, and technique required to perfom, the song. Harmonix has partnered with MTV, EMI, Hollywood Records, Sony BMG, Universal Music, and Rhino Entertainment(Warner Music Group), in order to access the entire library of said record label's catalogs of songs for all of their artists. Oh and thats WITH access to master recordings.

"Our vision for Rock Band is to completely change the way people interact with and enjoy the music they love," said Jeff Yapp, EVP, MTV Program Enterprises. "By joining forces with EA and the music industry's largest record labels and publishers, we are striving to create a groundbreaking new platform that allows people to connect with their favorite music and artists in ways they never have before."*1

This says to me that instead of having just the few great songs of the broad genre of Rock, that they intend to use the vastness of these record labels and publishers as a resource to tap, allowing us to connect(downloadable content maybe) to our(the gamers) favorite music/artists. Everybody has a favorite and most are different. So Im really thinking that the end users won't all be playing the same songs over and over, but will be able to search for and download a personal favorite from an ever growing array of artists from multiple genres.

If this is the way it turns out, then everyone WILL be happy, however its probably the ONLY way the majority of fans will be satisfied.

I can't wait to download the entire catalog of Black Sabbath. OMG
The whole reason for letting people submit song suggestions is so they know what to include on disk, and where to start for the downloadable content.
*1 Info found at http://www.harmonixmusic.com/p040207.html
JesterOzzy

[Ardius]

^Whats with the spam post? You already made a thread about it, why post it randomly here? We already know most of what you said.....its pretty obvious that its not going to have songs just for Guitar.......

Anyway, I still dont understand what you lot are complaining about. You say you know that Harmonix arent stupid and at the same time you say that they will read the thousands of setlists people post here/or elsewhere and that will somehow mean that the game will have "too much metal". Seriously, you lot really have no faith do you? Yes, there are a lot of setlists people have with lots of metal in it, but as you have said, Harmonix arent silly enough to just put more/too much metal in. So....whats the complaint?

Bah, this thread is way too confusing.

Oh, and:

A lot of screamy metal loud noisy banging

I know what you mean, but, still, thats insulting metal. :D
Stereotypes are never a good start.

[Bloodlust]

Heated discussion, but you do have to note that metal bands generally have the most solid fanbase out of all genres because the fans just don't go fad to fad... we're not watching MTV for our music fix and that is what makes us "better" in a sense. We don't jump around like rabid animals.

Take a Death Metal band like Cannibal Corpse... Since their inception in the 80s they've sold nearly a million albums. Underground as hell, no help from the mainstream media, and yet they've almost sold a million. Not only that, stars like Jim Carrey are fans of such bands. Yes, the dumb and dumber guy is a death metal fan!

I agree that it can't be all metal, half metal, etc. but if you want harder songs, you can't get any better than metal. I'd go out on a limb and say that neoclassical metal is the toughest music on earth to play, and really, it would destroy most players. That kind of thing would kick ass as a bonus...

But, in the first half at least there should be easy pop songs that anyone can pick up and play. In fact, I would sacrifice metal in every tier except the final just to get a solid Heavy Metal, Speed Metal, Thrash Metal, Black Metal, Death Metal track list. That would SURELY challenge the player, and I know that the hardcore fans would love it, whether they love the music or not.

[Angry_Games]

I know what you mean, but, still, thats insulting metal.
Stereotypes are never a good start.

I'm not insulting metal, I love it, been playing it for years on real guitar.

but the general perception by mainstream consumers is that metal is screamy, bangy, noisy, yelly, banging lol.

"sounds like someone screaming into a metal garbage can while his friends bang on the outside of it with sticks" is pretty much how the older men in our families describe metal haha...but you know, I find country psychologically disturbing and I fear for those that listen to it more than once a lifetime...but that's just me heh.

[bounchfx]

yeah I can't stand country, I have heard a few decent songs though, but most of it is like.. ugh..

but yeah, I'm one of the people who thinks GH2's track list beats the CRAP out of GH1

[Thrashguitarist1165]

WTF ARE YOU SICK IN THE HEAD????????????????


GHII didnt have nearly enough



But then again....all i do is worship metal
but idc just as long as its got more than 12 ill be happy

[Davebill]

rofl if there was "too much metal" how come the game sold so well and who would wanna play anything by the beatles their songs are good but like most would be no fun to play..

[Tendoza]

Im perfectly fine with metal, but Im not such a fan of death metal and screamo.

[bounchfx]

in all honesty, I don't care if theres less metal (THAT WOULD PISS ME OFF), but like, I just want fun songs to play, gemini wasn't metal but it was awesome, same with Stop and Carry me home, as well as others like hush and rock and roll hoochie coo. theres tons of great non metal songs.

what I would like to AVOID is songs like Heart shaped box. a few are OK because theres a lot of fans, but god are those songs boring.

the whole point behind wanting more metal (besides thinking its awesome) is that most of the songs are a hell of a lot more interesting and fun to play

on that note, give me some mastodon as well, they have sick guitar AND drums

[Bloodlust]

Im perfectly fine with metal, but Im not such a fan of death metal and screamo.
Death Metal and screamo have NOTHING in common.

Screamo: http://youtube.com/results?search_query=screamo&search= (Pick one)
Death Metal: http://youtube.com/watch?v=VczqU3CVaMY
Metalcore: http://youtube.com/watch?v=mzv7O9siFXY

Now you know the differences, I hope.

[Zero82087]

I don't know if this is off topic, but I wasn't sure where else to post it. Since we're speaking about metal I would say a great band to use (a) song(s) from would have to be the polish death metal band "Vader". I'm not so sure if the guitar part would be as amazing as the drumming. Since drums are going to be included in this game, a song from them would be simply insane to play the drums on and I think fun. I don't know if anyone has heard of them but I'm sure someone has. www.vader.pl The old drummer that they used to have (before he quit the band and then later died), "Doc", was simply amazing in my opinion. He seemed to be like a machine when playing and it wasn't just him rapidly using to the double bass, no it was much more. Well that's all I have to say I guess. I just think for drums that Vader would be great to play.

[Kutsic]

what I would like to AVOID is songs like Heart shaped box. a few are OK because theres a lot of fans, but god are those songs boring.

Dear god thank you! That song pisses me off everytime I had to play it. Seriously, like not only do I think Nirvana blows anyway, but that had to be the most redundant, slow, boring song in that game. The only hard part about that song was trying not to zone out.

[RedinTheSky]

if you believe that metal is the most popular music genre, you should put down the bong and step away from the weed.

I'm not trying to be rude, but you need to face some reality. I love metal more than anything else, but I've stopped doing the drugs and seen reality that metal is maybe, at best, the #5 genre of music.

Don't believe me? Do your own research. Don't go to "ilovemetal.com!" or anything like that either...get it from an unbiased research group who's job it is to track such things.

metallica and megadeth are popular, sure, but not even remotely close to being as popular as say Christina Aguilera, Britney Spears, Coldplay, U2, Pink Floyd....I could go on and on and on but you'd probably still not believe me because once you get something in your head, you refuse to believe anything else. (it's ok, I used to be the same way).

Ok, name ONE band that is better known than any metal band?

I'll do you better, I'll name a lot within the span of a few minutes

Coldplay
Alannis Morrisette
Celine Dion
Christina Aguilera
Britney Spears
Justin Timberlake
N 'Synch
Backstreet Boys
Black Eyed Peas
Gwyn Stefani
Pink
Toby Keith (country)
Dixie Chicks
Carrie Underwood
Kelly Clarkston
Jay-Z
eminem
50-Cent
R Kelly
Prince
Phil Collins
Genesis
The Beatles
Elvis


but wait, don't take MY word for it...let's do a little research...

hey, RIAA's own list!

http://www.riaa.com/gp/bestsellers/topalbums.asp

wow, I only see...Metallica and Guns n Roses in the first half of that list...gee, thats maybe two or three albums out of...100 so far...

So see, I'm not trying to argue, but when you come in here with these pseudofacts, I got to tell you, you should do a little research before you go posting anything. And don't ask your friends who are sitting around taking bong hits with you because they aren't 'normal' people (ie people who actually spend the money on music). Sure they might buy a cd here and there, but MILLIONS of americans and canadians and europeans...they buy billions of dollars worth of cd's and music from iTunes and metal hardly registers on the radar when you look at the BIG PICTURE.

As I said, metal is my favorite. I love old Metallica (not the new Selloutica), Megadeth, Mudvayne, Godsmack, Disturbed, all that stuff. More than everything else. But I'm also in touch with reality enough to know that while it is my favorite, and many other listeners' favorite, it's barely more than a fart in a windstorm compared to the what is REALLY popular.

ps: a band better known than metallica that isn't metal?

why, that would be #1 on the RIAA's all-time best selling album list...The Eagles. And #2 Michael Jackson...oh I could go on but I'm pretty sure you get the point...

Out of the people that bought all of those albums, how many do you think play instruments ? How many people would really get more musical appreciation out of a song from the 'top 20' ? It's a sorry truth that in the U.S. we have far less appreciation for musicians that have talent. I don't have to do anything more than point to the same lists you are saying should rule over what we say is good. 99% of it is terrible crap, made by Marketing music producers. So what we have is music that is overproduced, easy to listen to repetitive, takes as little talent to listen to as it does to make, need I go on ?

Marketing committees get together, and make 'bands' that they think will sell the most, they tell bands how to play their music, which lyrics they can write, they even give them songs to play that other people write for them.. its all about image. In our society, a Mozart will be ignored, and become a music teacher, and someone out to make a dollar no matter what music they have to make will get all the publicity. Let us not support this type of crap any more please.

[RedinTheSky]

no i do not work for Harmonix or any of these companies.

I mention sales and popularity because that is what drives companies to invest heavily into making these games. Why bother spending millions of dollars developing a game that won't make nearly as much money as a game that appeals to the masses? There is no reason, and game developers rarely go down this path once they are established (why do you think we see so many sequels?).

Everyone wants their own personal favorite things in a game. That's all good and well, but a lot of you miss the point, and you have this perception about what YOU think is popular vs the reality of what the majority thinks is popular. 1,000 of you think you want a guitar hero-type game full of Dragonforce, Death, all kinds of your favorite metal bits.

In the real world, the 1,000 of you might, if you are lucky, result in sales of about 10,000-100,000.

However, if Harmonix makes a game that appeals to the masses (ie a variety of music instead of a single sub-genre like metal), you will appeal to potentially 3,000,000 (xbox360 owners) to however many owners of Wii and PS3 there are (if they made it for Playstation2, they'd have a potential customer base of around 120,000,000, as that is the current penetration rate of the Ps2 hardware).

So, if you are on the business end of the decision, not the guy in the forum screaming you got to have metal and all other music types are gay, and you are under the terribly incorrect impression that "popular" means "Britney Spears" and "Dwight Yokam" will be the types of music in a game titled "Rock Band" (clearly which Britney and Dwight are NOT a part of such a genre as "rock and roll"), then you are looking to appeal to the largest customer base.

Your first game out of the blocks definitely isn't going to be SCREAMY METAL BANSHEE BAND or DEATH METAL BAND or DRAGONFORCE BAND or any nonsense like that.

ROCK BAND implies that you are going to draw music/songs from the ENTIRE Rock & Roll genre, not some barely popular sub-genre like thrash, death, screamy metal, etc. It implies that ANY AND ALL rock genre music should be within the limits of the game's name, ROCK BAND.

It's very simple really. The main reason I talk numbers and sales and popularity is because I work in the computer industry and I have to study the exact same demographics for my work as Harmonix and other video game devs have to so they can assure the greatest number of customers. It's common sense. You never want to sell to the lowest potential of customers. You definitely want to maximize sales and profits by putting out a product that will appeal to as many demographics as possible without alienating any possible demographics (though that will always happen, most companies try to minimize that).

Instead of getting angry because I've mentioned "popular" music, you should look into the mass appeal of the "popular" music and see that it does not only include Britney, Christina, Celine Dion, etc....especially when "popular" music like that does not fit into the genre of "rock" as in ROCK BAND.

There are however, a nearly limitless number of choices that DO fall within the genre of ROCK to choose from. There is so much popular "rock" music, anything from AC/DC to Zep to .38 Special to Rush to Disturbed to Godsmack to Incubus to POD to Alice in Chains to Pearl Jam to Rage Against The Machine to...well, like I said, limitless almost. I don't see any Michael Jackson or Kelly Clarkston or Cher or such in there...but I do see plenty of songs in the rock genre pool to possibly include.

The point we've tried to make is that with many users here and at Guitar Hero forums screaming for METAL METAL METAL METAL METAL METAL METAL METAL METAL METAL METAL METAL METAL METAL METAL METAL METAL METAL METAL METAL METAL METAL METAL METAL METAL METAL METAL!!! is not healthy for a game, especially the first game in the series.

You are right, you cannot please everyone. But you can appeal to a heck of a lot more users by not limiting the choices within the game to just a single or even a couple of sub-genres of the "rock" genre. It wouldn't be right for anyone but a few selfish individuals, and it would definitely be a turn-off for the masses that the game is going to be marketed to.

If it don't appeal to the masses, it ain't going to sell well, and if it don't sell well, there won't be any more games like it.

Once the game is established, Harmonix definitely should talk EA into doing what a lot of us have asked for, and provide specific genres of music in expansions or as DLC so that not only does the primary game appeal to as many consumers as possible, but the expansions/DLC will target specific customers who are looking for specific sub-genres of music that they want more than any other.

You can't do it backwards and offer only specific sub-genres of music that won't appeal to hardly anyone compared to the mass appeal that a huge chunk of variety will appeal to in the initial release.

I would then ask you and Harmonix to go see a metal band play in Europe or Japan, and then tell me the game won't sell just as much as if you'd populated it with easily digested garbage. And don't get me wrong, I don't give a **** how popular any of the bands are that will be in the game, In a better world half of the game would be bands that aren't popular at all, but are very good and fun to play. I will listen to any type of music, as long as the players are talented.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yhtDOCoS9Ag

[bounchfx]

awesome link dude, I'd love to play that in RB =). yes all 23-24 minutes.

[Nommo686]

Okay, i like metal as much as the next wannabe rock star, but lets be realistic. It'll be fun for the guitarist, fun for the bassist, fun for the drummer, but if they're doing it right, there's no way that the Rock Band mic is gonna understand your singer...:rolleyes:

Technology hasn't caught up with metal, yet.

[Ziltoid]

This game must contain songs that are good to hear ( in the big categorie of ROCK music .. which is really too extended to please everybody ) and must have songs that are challenging to play at hard / expert ... Nirvana is not a bad band ... but ****, it would be the same songs at easy and expert .

I love Metal a lot, but theres is a lot of kind of metal ... Most of metal songs contains Double Bass Drum .. so unless the game is shipped with 2 drum pedal or contains a double bass drum technique , many of the metal songs are excluded.

There will surely have a lot of MTV group .... so not many metal and many happy/commercial stuff ... unless MTV doesnt interfere in the choice of songs ( I HOPE SO ).

IT will be again all stuff from USA so there will be a lot of good stuff thrown away from the game ... many european bands ROCK hard too ... anyway.

ALL the metal / rock bands with keyboards parts and solos are excluded ...

All the metal songs with Growwlllll all the way are to exlude ... no way I sing like that all the song haha

SO many reason to not worry about too much metal songs ... but it is sure the setlist will not please everybody ...

So in the end ... I think there will be maybe 10 to 20 % metal songs ... Thats not a big amount I think. I personnaly hope there will not be too much emo / punk / nu-metal / metalcore etc. in the game ... but thats my tastes hehe

[Ardius]

http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=2018156

Cant argue with that.

[snyder24]

Metal music is only good if you want to go crazy on the guitar and drums. And for sure like in every type of metal there is no singing at all. And if there is, they are screaming the heads off; not that enjoyable. Metal is not creative enough for RB, only a few songs would be. For sure I wouldn't mind a couple metal songs but they better be good enough not to get annoying; after you've played it one time.:)

[Ardius]

^wow, what a huge generalisation.
Going crazy with the guitar and drums? Er, and this is a bad thing for a game about playing those instruments? Bass is also excellent from certain bands too.

Bloody stereotypes, look, not all metal is just "people screaming, drums crashing and guitars wailing". Stop being so narrow-minded.

Most of the difficult guitar techniques were pioneered in metal music and are used the most. The themes of lyics in metal music can very enormously. The different types of vocals and different arrangements of instruments can also vary enormously.

No singing at all? Please, dont insult things you dont know anything about. I think you'll find there are many excellent metal singers: Bruce Dickinson, Rob Halford, etc. And I dont mean excellent at screaming, I mean they ARE good singers.

[Rev0lver]

there are people that are good at both, take the singer of opeth for example. he can go from a nice melodic voice to a harsh growl.

[ThomasWoodyAlanXien]

Without Metal the game would suck, I would love to see anything metal such as Pantera to even country rock like Johnny Cash... Gotta have some beatles, Elvis, and other classics but they would need newer music more...

[biaxident]

Metal is the manliest music ever and I'm guessing that more guys play GH than women.

It's simple math, if guys like metal and it's the manliest kind of music, then there should be more metal in RB.

P.S. there is no metal in GH1 and GH2( well not the kind you can head bang to or trash:P)

[GrayInvisible]

I wouldn't mind metal, but the only metal I kind of like is the early stuff. Thrash and stuff like that I can't stand. That type might not be well represented, but they should have a metal pack for that along with many other genre packs.

[dassink1326]

Metal may be manly, but it is smart business to appeal to more than just the male audience...and the whole more men play than women is completely bogus, just because you don't know a large following of girls who play doesn't mean that they don't.....and alot of metal music isn't good for guitar hero or rockband beacuse of the inability to do triplets or to distinguish notes in a super dirty guitar line.....common sense dictates that there should be songs that appeal to a wider audience and are easy to distinguish, meaning alot of people know them, most people <b>do not</b> listen to metal music, excluding pop metal such as pantera, and songs need to be recognised or people won't play they will be too lost, the previous games did everything right by not clogging the game with metal, but there must be a little bit of something for everyone, so there should be a little bit of metal

[Ardius]

Metal may be manly, but it is smart business to appeal to more than just the male audience...and the whole more men play than women is completely bogus, just because you don't know a large following of girls who play doesn't mean that they don't.....and alot of metal music isn't good for guitar hero or rockband beacuse of the inability to do triplets or to distinguish notes in a super dirty guitar line.....common sense dictates that there should be songs that appeal to a wider audience and are easy to distinguish, meaning alot of people know them, most people <b>do not</b> listen to metal music, excluding pop metal such as pantera, and songs need to be recognised or people won't play they will be too lost, the previous games did everything right by not clogging the game with metal, but there must be a little bit of something for everyone, so there should be a little bit of metal

I think this thread has gone way off the mark. The original argument was that there isnt enough metal already in the Gh games and that we want more, specifically from the "true" genres rather than boring metalcore. We want more of the bands that are not as well known as Metallica and the like.
I think its pretty obvious that it isnt going to be all metal, anyone who suggests otherwise should realise that it isnt just for metalheads. On the other hand, they have largely ignored the more extreme genres of metal which should at least have some part in the game, just as much as blues and ska does...........the guitar hero games have featured a lot of hard rock stuff, and it needs to be expanded upon into more varied genres.

Yes, the guitar hero games id it right in terms of balancing of genres, but seeing as we are looking at far larger setlists and perhaps catalogues of artists' music, it would also be beneficial to have some more intense genres rather than sticking to mostly the popular and well known...........its nice if people can find music they like that they have never heard of before, just as much as music they recognise.

[Bloodlust]

Metal is the manliest music ever and I'm guessing that more guys play GH than women.

It's simple math, if guys like metal and it's the manliest kind of music, then there should be more metal in RB.

P.S. there is no metal in GH1 and GH2( well not the kind you can head bang to or trash:P)
Dude, Ozzy, Anthrax, and Megadeth? Come the **** on man. :/

This game IS about variety. Early songs can be whatever, pop punk, pop rock, doesn't matter. But for technical complexity, a.k.a. the final songs, you can NOT beat metal. You throw in a Cannibal Corpse song as the final song and most people will be like, "Well, **** this" and stop playing the last tier... but that's a good thing. You want hard songs to kick your ass that are so ungodly hard, I mean, otherwise it's no fun.

Hangar 18 is one of the toughest songs possible for a GH game, with all those solos, I'd say a lot of people got frustrated and played through the beginning songs. But that's what makes it fun, tough as hell songs for us more advanced players, and more poppy songs for the novice players.

Besides, this so-called "screaming" only persists in two our of four extreme metal genres. Thrash Metal and Doom Metal have coherent vocals, akin to Metallica and Black Sabbath (respectively). Death Metal can be hard to understand sometimes, but to call it "screaming" is a bit much. Same goes for Black Metal, although it's closer to the metalcore screams (such as in Lamb of God), and sometimes does use shreiks and such.

I, for one, want MORE metal. I want more of a challenge!

[fuckpig13]

if rock band has less metal than GH2.....i will not buy it. If anything, it needs more.

how about....
Children of Bodom
Cradle of Filth
Lamb of God
Cannibal Corpse
Atreyu

some real demon screeching ****...... and how about not editing the lyrics this time around......that was so gay.

[bounchfx]

I agree, more Metal! but more of everything else too. but metal is definitely needed not only because it is more enjoyable to play (imo), but it is more challenging and just plain FUN. I LOVE being able just to totally rock out and go crazy.. and it is impossible to do that with songs such as heart shaped box.. I love running around the room headbanging while playing, it truely gives the feeling of being a rock star in my opinion.

I just 5 starred six on expert last night, that song was so incredibly hard but it is such a blast to play and it gives you such a sense of accomplishment it is just awesome. all that remains (ha!) now is Jordan to be 5*'d.. better watch out!

but yeah, theres SO many great bands out there that people don't know about.. yet they ***** and whine saying how they dont want bands they don't know, which is stupid because they could potentially become their new favorite band... the majority of mainstream bands are not known for talent.. so like, be open to new things, I got into a lot of stuff thanks to GH and pandora.com . hell, ALL of my favorite stuff is crap I didn't hear about conventionally, and just stumbled upon.

Be open, get out there, and listen to new music, you will never know what you will find.

I think it would be awesome to have SOME screaming songs though, give people a freaking challenge or just make those particular songs Bonus songs on the singing side so people dont have to whine about it like babies. I'd love to see some god forbid, unearth, dragonland, the red chord (omg red chord), etc. damn!

[Hade01]

Diversity is what it's all about, like many have said. I like metal just as much as the next guy, but that's not ALL I want to play. I want to be able to lash out those Hendrix sounds along with melting faces with some Megadeth and the like.

Some Strapping Young Lad, Wintersun, and Mastodon would be nice in Rock Band metal-wise, though.

[Spence_UK]

if rock band has less metal than GH2.....i will not buy it. If anything, it needs more.

how about....
Children of Bodom
Cradle of Filth
Lamb of God
Cannibal Corpse
Atreyu

some real demon screeching ****...... and how about not editing the lyrics this time around......that was so gay.

Yeah, more metal would suit me too.

I'm currently really into MachineHead and other mainstream metal atm but I would love to see stuff like Cradle of Filth, Cannibal Corpse, Satyricon, Deicide and Death on the soundtrack. Only problem, how the **** would anyone do the vocals when playing the game?!
Most people would strain their voice doing Glen Benton impressions and trying to sing to CoF :eek:

As much as I'd love it, it just wouldn't work so well. I'd also prefer to find more less-known talent put in for the game, as bounchfx said, simply as it could lead many onto new favourite bands and even drum up support for bands that deserve it based on their talent.



But yeah, more metal, but also plenty of variety too keeping old classic rock in as well such as the Rolling Stones, Police and Kiss :) .

[Kutsic]

as I keep saying, the vocals won't be hard. And you can strain your voice just as easily by singing improperly too, so that argument doesn't work. As long as the system they're using doesn't actually expect you to imitate the singer's voice(in which case it just wouldn't be fun), anything is possible.

[Guitarclub29]

The only thing you caught me on was smells like teen spirit. If you don't like metal don't buy the game cause metal has a big part for guitarists and drummers.

[GNR962]

As long as I don't see any bad metal cough cough slipknot cough cough lamb of god cough cough, and more good metal like Metallica, Iron Maiden, and Megadeth, it would be good.

P.S. I did not capitalize slipknot and lamb of god because they are not worthy of such an honor

[GNR962]

and metal is what makes the world go round

Yeah, I mean, without metal how would our buildings be so stable?

[thehotrock]

yeah there needs to be more variety of music in the new addition of guitar hero/rock band.

espiecally more female fronted bands or just female bands in general.

and metal music. is just down right horrible.

people yelling like a bunch of rabid idiots and playing the same chords over and over and over again on the loudest roughest distortion (to cover up just how bad of musicians these people are)...is not good music and is not in any way very fun to play.

and before I have some of you attack me because i speak the truth:
i use to play in quite ALOT of metal/hardcore bands.
i've played guitar for 4 years and drums for 10 years.

it was the most boring, senseless music I ever played.
the lyrics suck. (you could never understand the singer because he was yelling like some idiot)
the riffs suck.(i hate power chords or baring frets in general like that horrible band Kittie)
and just becasue there is some double pedal in a song doesn't make it a good song...or that you have talent or are an amazing drummer.
(hence, as i lay dying and really bad bands like that)

thank god i went through that phase at a young age and got out of it quickly.

anyways.

yes, more variety of music, please.

[bounchfx]

and metal music. is just down right horrible.

people yelling like a bunch of rabid idiots and playing the same chords over and over and over again on the loudest roughest distortion (to cover up just how bad of musicians these people are)...is not good music and is not in any way very fun to play.

I agree with more variety. For Sure.

but

That is one of the most ignorant things I have ever heard. You really need to reconsider what you just said, and maybe, just maybe, you are listening to some very terrible bands.

Same chords over and over again? Go listen to green day or blink 182.

you just described mainstream music to a T basically.

go listen to some good bands and then tell us how it's a bunch of rabid idiots playing the same chords over and over again. yes theres distortion with some bands because it sounds bad ass, but that isn't the case with all bands,

Please, sir, tell me, which bands are you talking about?

and while on that note, you played in some metal bands? Jesus you must have been terrible or your bandmates were not very good

There is good and bad in all genres, but to blatantly call out an entire genre? That is just stupid.

the metal genre itself has some of the most talented players anywhere.

I would list some bands for you, but I think you need to go out and experiment for yourself.

Seriously, get a clue.

[thehotrock]

I agree with more variety. For Sure.

but

That is one of the most ignorant things I have ever heard. You really need to reconsider what you just said, and maybe, just maybe, you are listening to some very terrible bands.

Same chords over and over again? Go listen to green day or blink 182.

you just described mainstream music to a T basically.

go listen to some good bands and then tell us how it's a bunch of rabid idiots playing the same chords over and over again. yes theres distortion with some bands because it sounds bad ass, but that isn't the case with all bands,

Please, sir, tell me, which bands are you talking about?

and while on that note, you played in some metal bands? Jesus you must have been terrible or your bandmates were not very good

There is good and bad in all genres, but to blatantly call out an entire genre? That is just stupid.

the metal genre itself has some of the most talented players anywhere.

I would list some bands for you, but I think you need to go out and experiment for yourself.

Seriously, get a clue.

: D

i like you!

how you presume to know me and what i have and have not listend to!

yes, the people i played with in the former bands were REALLY REALLY BAD!
hence why they played metal.
the easiest music to play.
you can sound HORRIBLE!
but people will, for some reason, consider it AMAZING!

bands i'm talking about:(metal/hardcore/black metal/every sub genre of this crap..or you COULD say everything sold in the Hot Topic store)
Otep. Kittie. Cradle of Faith. HIM. Children of Bodom. Arch Enemy. As I Lay Dying. Black Dahlia Murder. Walls of Jericho. Dimmu Borgir. Dragonforce. Hatebreed. Himsa...I can keep going.

now I would be lying if I said i didn't like Metallica, Iron Maidan, Pantera and so forth.
I don't really listen to them much anymore but I have much respect for these bands.

all the "bands" now are horrid.

[bounchfx]

I don't ever remember presuming to know you sir, in fact, I believe I asked you what it was you considered horrible and which you were talking about. I responded based on what you said, and what you said was metal 'is downright horrible', which is a very ignorant statement. there is many easy things you can do that sound good, true, but to pretty much say it requires no talent to play such things in itself is downright lying to yourself.

I would very much like to see you play at least half of the things you listed, there are some that are ridiculously easy, I agree, but thats mainly for the choruses, which is standard in a lot of bands, but there are lots of parts where they display raw ability with the instrument and as such should not be considered like they have no talent whatsoever. I understand hyperbole, but when you refuse to acknowledge it at all, it just becomes stupid.

as for the bands you listed... I used to listen to AILD, I can't say I dont like the stuff (newer stuff.. not as much, kinda grew out of them), but it isn't very hard to play, either, I just heard of himsa, haven't really listened to it much, the rest I've heard of and I have actually heard some, but I'm not a huge fan. Dragonforce is overrated, but they can jack off a guitar like no other dare to. (yay for playing without feeling!)

[starsandskulls]

Let's bring this thread back to where it started, I like just like all other genres and the fact is I agree with the guy that said technology hasn't caught up Death Metal or Metalcore yet. I mean you don't even have a double bass pedal and the metal songs on GHII are ****ing hard to play on expert because the game isn't about listening to the music it's about playing it. It is hard as hell to play Death Metal and I don't want to let my friends down when I **** up a mean Chimaira solo because it requires much more precision than a guitar controller can offer. So I'd like to see a balance and no more Jordan please I dont' think Buckethead himself could get 100% on that song, he even said himself he plays it different everytime!

[bounchfx]

yeah, maybe no more jordans to that extent, but definitely hangar 18's and Six's =)

[Kvlt_ScandinavianxXx]

True northern bands such as Immortal, Burzum, Mayhem and Emperor deserve a place in this game to appease the gods of war. When Odin and his warriors descend gloriously from the sky, we will be spared with these bands while the non-believers will be crushed by the steel forces of ragnarok.

[Valencia]

hell yes variety. if i got the game and started playing to find that all the music on there was a bunch of metal i would probably take it outside and smash the game on the ground.

all of you people who think the game just needs metal should probably go kill yourself because this is a video game. something that is supposed to appeal to a large group of people. not just one small group of ******s who want to scream into a micro or cant sing for **** so need songs that sound like the lead singer is basically talking.

but by all means have some of that, just as long as you'll have more indie, punk, screamo/emo music to. because lets face it. MTV is in line for the game and how many metal songs do you see on MTV?

[sa_nick]

I think this thread has gone way off the mark. The original argument was that there isnt enough metal already in the Gh games and that we want more, specifically from the "true" genres rather than boring metalcore.

I don't think that was the original arguement, the thread is labeled "Needs less Metal"

I was fine with the amount of metal in GH2, songs like Freya, Six, Thunderhorse, The Light That Blinds were metal-ish enough for me. I'd prefer to not see anything more thrashy or hardcore than them.

I am a fan of Disturbed, Mudvayne, some Slipknot etc... But i don't really class them as metal, just Hard Rock.

[bounchfx]

all of you people who think the game just needs metal should probably go kill yourself because this is a video game.


Rofl dude you are HARDCORE.

death because of a video game? jesus.

anyway, yeah I think GH2 had a good amount of metal in the ratio of metal to non metal.

okay, maybe it could have used a littttle more =)

[Ardius]

I don't think that was the original arguement, the thread is labeled "Needs less Metal"

I was fine with the amount of metal in GH2, songs like Freya, Six, Thunderhorse, The Light That Blinds were metal-ish enough for me. I'd prefer to not see anything more thrashy or hardcore than them.

I am a fan of Disturbed, Mudvayne, some Slipknot etc... But i don't really class them as metal, just Hard Rock.

What I meant was that was the original argument which spawned this thread in response and continued the argument. The OP of this thread said there was too much in GH2 which is rediculous when you consider that there were only less than 15 artists out of 64 in the entire game! Freya is a tough one, its not really metal, its more of a hard rock song.....although it is very Black Sabbath-ish. The Light That Blinds is by Shadows Fall, who are more related to metalcore than metal, although they have had some thrash metal-esque songs in their time. And yes, there is an important difference between Metalcore and Metal. Metalcore has even more elements of punk, with loads of breakdowns and lots guitarits who just play power chords the entire song all in Drop D tuning to sound "heavy". Not to say there arent any guitarists that do that in the many genres of metal, but.....the popular or decent bands in metalcore pretty much all do that.

In other words, you know the awful music that you hear with screaming and stuff that appears to be popular right now? Thats usually metalcore or nu-metal.
Metal = Good
Metalcore = Bad

[bounchfx]

I regard All That Remains as metalcore and they are far from bad.
this darkened heart FTW

[Alocer]

Don't know if it's been said before in the thread, but I didn't have time to read all of it so her goes:

Saying Metal is not the most popular kind of music GENERALLY might be true. Based on researches, it is not. But there's a point that's missing: gamers aren't everybody. 95% of the gamers I know are into Metal. So in all relativity, Metal is probably one of the most popular genres among the target audience.

That being said, I'm pretty sure I'm off-topic after 9 pages (meh discussions tend to diverge after 4 pages). Just wanted to point out that fact about "actual fact and researches" not to be trusted 100% in this case.

[fragpirate]

True northern bands such as Immortal, Burzum, Mayhem and Emperor deserve a place in this game to appease the gods of war. When Odin and his warriors descend gloriously from the sky, we will be spared with these bands while the non-believers will be crushed by the steel forces of ragnarok.

... ok the norse mythology stuff is a bit geeky but, i agree.
a burzum, or mayhem song would be ultimate......
add it or.... or else!

[newwaytodie]

Next thing you know some tard is going to put Tupac on his "Teh bezt songs evr!!11!" list.

[Esplayer27]

I honestly think it does need more metal. Not a whole lot more but just enough so that it all equals out. In rock band i would love to go crazy with all my friends and play a song on it by necrophagist hahaa! That wouldnt happen though but its fun to think about :rolleyes:

[Magnum]

Are you kidding me?!

Too much metal in Guitar Hero 2, if anything there was too little metal.

Besides Lamb of God, All that Remains, and Avenged Sevenfold the rest of the game's band weren't metal.

The game needs more Metal (and I'm not talking about Metal Core).

[Desensitized]

The game needs a good balance of all the rock genres. There should be just as much metal as anything else.

[FrshChees]

metal rules and is VERY fun to play...BUT i think other genres are fun too, i like playin Texas Flood on GHI and Carry On Wayward Son on GHII...almost anything metal would be awesome on rock band (like someone said before REAL METAL) MetallicA Pantera Sabbath Priest all that good stuff

[FrshChees]

Are you kidding me?!

Too much metal in Guitar Hero 2, if anything there was too little metal.

Besides Lamb of God, All that Remains, and Avenged Sevenfold the rest of the game's band weren't metal.

The game needs more Metal (and I'm not talking about Metal Core).


Motley Crue, Megadeth, Sabbath...hmmm maybe it DOES need more :D

[Shneybz]

There are better Nirvana songs, in fact. I think that the entire Nevermind album is not as good as In Utero.smart man. And we could use a little less metal, but we should still have a bit. I think they should through more hardcore punk in the game.

[endeyequote]

I would chime in here but Angry Games is my hero because he speaks with intelligence and said practically evertyhing i thought while i read this thread.

There is a lot more to music than metal. People cheat themselves out of entire worlds of great music when they jump too heavily into one genre to the point where they believe all else is no good.

And i agree on Nirvana, almost anything from In Utero would be better than Nevermind even though i still like Nevermind alot. Anything from Bleach would be good as well.

I'd say School, Negative Creep, Scentless Aprentice, or Tourettes.

[Shneybz]

School would work but it would be too easy. Tourettes would be very good, Scentless Apprentice would also be good. Negative Creep also good. Yes Bleach would have some good songs to put on there. and also yes Nevermind is awesome, just not the best.

[TheLaughingMan9]

Iron Maiden. Nuff said.

Gh2 was made because of metal, metal is what makes the expert hard. All of the hardest songs are metal with the exception of Freebird and Misirlou

[endeyequote]

School would work but it would be too easy. Tourettes would be very good, Scentless Apprentice would also be good. Negative Creep also good. Yes Bleach would have some good songs to put on there. and also yes Nevermind is awesome, just not the best.

Im Utero is easily their best album, although You Know You're Right is one of their best songs, and that box set was amazing.

Yeah i know School would probably too easy, but its one of my favorite Nirvana songs =P. Tourettes or Negative Creep would likely be the most fun. Scentless Apprentice is such an unusual song that it could be quite interesting as well.


Iron Maiden. Nuff said.

Gh2 was made because of metal, metal is what makes the expert hard. All of the hardest songs are metal with the exception of Freebird and Misirlou

I'm totally down for metal, but i agree it needs to be an ecletic mix. Iron Maiden would always be welcome, i won't even begin to how songs from them would work really well.

And you are right that the Metal songs are harder, but i have a lot more fun on the more jam band like songs that are almost like one long solo (Texas Flood flashback anyone?) :cool: