Mock Election for h/w

[battle_axe_of_doom]

k well folks i'm holding a mock election for an assignment and i would appreciate it if some of u guys participated in this to help a fellow forumer out :)

ok i need you to vote in my mock election!

the candidates are : rudy jewliania, hilary clinton, fred thompson, barack obama, and john mccain

u will vote 4 different times using different methods

majority : 1 vote only
cumulative : 6 votes which can be spread to different candidates (ex. 4 votes for hilary, and 2 for obama)
ranked order: rank ur favorite candidate to ur least favorite
proportional representative vote: vote for political party only (democrat or republican)

[jq71586]

1. majority - obama
2. cumulative - 3 obama 2 clinton 1 mccain
3. ranked - obama clinton mccain, guiliani, thompson
4. democrat

[Eman311]

why isn't ron paul on this list?

[Eman311]

msjority= obama
cumulative- obama 4 clinton 2
ranked - obama clinton guiliani mccain thompson
democrat

[battle_axe_of_doom]

well according to my teacher those were the top 5 ranked candidates or something, and i'm too lazy to look it up and make sure if she's right. ron paul is from tx but i still don't support his ass.

oh and by the way a big thanks to the both of yous

[no_direction_home]

1. majority - me
2. cumulative - 3 me 2 obama 1 clinton
3. ranked - me obama clinton mccain, guiliani, thompson
4. batman

[no_direction_home]

actualy:

majority- obama
cumulative- obama 4 clinton 2
ranked - obama clinton guiliani mccain thompson
democrat

[Eman311]

well according to my teacher those were the top 5 ranked candidates or something, and i'm too lazy to look it up and make sure if she's right. ron paul is from tx but i still don't support his ass.

oh and by the way a big thanks to the both of yous

he has some good ideas, and some bad ones. but overall i like him.

o and way to copy me :p ^

[no_direction_home]

he has some good ideas, and some bad ones. but overall i like him.

o and way to copy me :p ^

well i agreed with you and didnt want to type it all out again

[Bakkster]

1) Thompson
2) 4 for Thompson, 2 for Obama
3) Thompson, Obama, McCain, Giuliani, Clinton (shudder)
4) Republican, I guess

[thorn_9]

I think Edwards should be on there.

1. Clinton
2. 3 Clinton, 3 Obama
3. Clinton, Obama, Juliani, Thompson
4. Democrat

And please tell your teacher she is doing a huge injustice to her students by narrowing the assignment to Democrat or Republican only. That is the single greatest problem with our government, the 2 party system. If she wants to open your eyes, she should discuss the problems with the 2 party system, lobbyists, special interest groups and big business, as they are the true problems with our (the American) system.

By forcing you to choose her view of the four front runners, she is perpetuating the ignorance of the common man, and continuing the shameful media election hype that is keeping so many real American voters home on election day.

[tucsonovernite]

Wish List:
1)Biden
2)Biden 4 Dodd 2
3)Biden, Dodd, Clinton, Edwards
4)Dem

Following the Rules:
1)Clinton
2)Clinton 3 Obama 1
3)Clinton, Obama, McCain, Thompson, Guliani
4)Dem

[Bakkster]

And please tell your teacher she is doing a huge injustice to her students by narrowing the assignment to Democrat or Republican only. That is the single greatest problem with our government, the 2 party system. If she wants to open your eyes, she should discuss the problems with the 2 party system, lobbyists, special interest groups and big business, as they are the true problems with our (the American) system.

By forcing you to choose her view of the four front runners, she is perpetuating the ignorance of the common man, and continuing the shameful media election hype that is keeping so many real American voters home on election day.

I agree. I ****ing HATE the two party system. I'm generally considered a conservative, but I can't stand the Republican party's economic policies (well, can't stand the Dems policies either, actually).

As far as picking 4-5 'front-runners', it's just to demonstrate different voting methods (I believe). If you allowed all 20+ candidates then you'd need 100+ people voting (and a lot of work) to have the data to show the differences in the methods. Especially with Instant Runoff Voting, the more candidates the longer it takes. I doubt she's just trying to push those candidates, I think it's just a real-life replacement for saying A, B, C, D, E.

[FallenAce]

You would need a serious candidate for a third party and s/he would have to have serious corporate backing in order to compete. I believe in order to have the system officially changed, 25% of the popular vote would need to vote for a single third party.

I don't think there is something inherently wrong with the <I>system</I>, per se. The issue is that we all like to pass blame on to an inanimate idea instead of taking the onus into ourselves. The system, by design, will change when change is necessary. If you don't want to wait for that necessity; if you want to be <I>progressive</I>, you need to throw off the value that you delegate to the system and instead create the desire for change in others. You need to shift your paradigm into a more precise issue: don't try to change the system. Instead, proactively help the people to see why change is good.

Sorry for the rant.

1. McCain
2. 3 McCain, 2 Obama, 1 Clinton
3. I abstain
4. I abstain

[thorn_9]

The problem with that idea, is that traditional Americans are lazy, and its easier, IF they vote, to vote who your parents, church, friends or spouse vote for, than to actually WANT to learn about the individuals themselves, let alone researching the system.

By bringing up the topic you are more likely to induce thought than by standing on a corner with a sign, or calling an existing representative, who would not agree with a new election proposal, as it is against the method they used to be in office in the first place.

If popular vote made an election, I would be ok. With all its own inherent flaws, but the electoral collage does. Which itself is an outdated and unnecessary system in modern society.

[FallenAce]

I agree wholly. I live in Indiana, where voting has been all-but worthless since the inception of the territory.

[gh2masterwellalmost]

majority= Hillary Clinton (US stole Clinton away - he could have changed the word, but instead he let his penis rule him
cumulative- Clinton 5 Obama 1
ranked - clinton obama guiliani mccain thompson
democrat

[Kang_Zircon]

If popular vote made an election, I would be ok. With all its own inherent flaws, but the electoral collage does. Which itself is an outdated and unnecessary system in modern society.

The problem with a popular vote is that all of the voting power goes to densly populated regions (California, the east coast, other major cities). Less populated states like Nebraska and such lose even more voting power than they currently have. A straight popular vote undermines the power of individual states.

I think the all-or-nothing system of the electoral college that most states employ is the real issue. If that weren't a problem, we wouldn't have to sit around waiting for vote counts in one district of one state to get a final decision. And the district I live in would get an actual say inpresidential elections, rather than being simply out-voted by the rest of the state.

[gh2masterwellalmost]

And please tell your teacher she is doing a huge injustice to her students by narrowing the assignment to Democrat or Republican only. That is the single greatest problem with our government, the 2 party system. If she wants to open your eyes, she should discuss the problems with the 2 party system, lobbyists, special interest groups and big business, as they are the true problems with our (the American) system.

By forcing you to choose her view of the four front runners, she is perpetuating the ignorance of the common man, and continuing the shameful media election hype that is keeping so many real American voters home on election day.

*CLAP* *CLAP*

Not often you'll hear me praise you or the British Government, but man I'm happy for our system. Just to fill you in incase you don't know - our country is slowly becoming 2 party like but at the moment the big battle is Labour and Conservative (think Democrat vs Republican, except that this Democrat government is almost Republican) with the Lib Dems a little away. Then we settle into minor parties, BNP (British Nationalist Party, i.e. "get all the [n-word]s out"), Green Party ("hug a tree, smoke some dope dude") and Communist Party (yay. Although they're Leninist so maybe not so yay)

[Bakkster]

I think the all-or-nothing system of the electoral college that most states employ is the real issue. If that weren't a problem, we wouldn't have to sit around waiting for vote counts in one district of one state to get a final decision. And the district I live in would get an actual say inpresidential elections, rather than being simply out-voted by the rest of the state.

Exactly: give the state majority to the senators, split the rest of the votes between the representatives (or make them by local majority).

[battle_axe_of_doom]

well my teacher isn't ignoring the other non-major parties (ok maybe for the last voting type) but she just wanted to narrow it down because their is a **** load of math involved and she wanted it to be consistant with the "election". meaning if in the top 5 ranked politicians aren't a part of a 3rd party then you shouldn't be able to vote for them in the proportional vote because they weren't in the poll to begin with, ya understand me now??

oh and i have more than enough "votes" now to do my assignment so thx d00ds, and continue to have ur political debate if necessary ;)

[newwaytodie]

1. Obama
2. 6 votes for Obama
3. Abstain
4. Abstain

Party alliance is worthless in this election. If Hillary Clinton beats Obama in the primaries, I will vote republican. Hillary Clinton is unfit to lead this nation.

[tucsonovernite]

Party alliance is worthless in this election. If Hillary Clinton beats Obama in the primaries, I will vote republican. Hillary Clinton is unfit to lead this nation.

political threads usually turn ugly. maybe you can get a job blogging for townhall.com. I believe the statement above is all the "credentials" you need.